The 2023 Honda Civic Type R Retains Its Crown As The King Of FWD Hot Hatches
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- Опубликовано: 24 окт 2023
- The #HondaCivicTypeR has been an absolute hit with enthusiasts ever since #Honda brought the #CivicTypeR name to America back in 2017. For 2023, the all-new #TypeR refines the formula with more power, more tech, and better handling. It still only comes with a 6-speed MT and FWD only, but that doesn't stop the latest #HondaCivic from being one of the best handling hot hatches that money can buy.
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Love this car. Have had mine for several months and it is a beast of a daily driver. My 3 year old fits easily in the back in his car seat. Pulling up to his daycare is a scene, the kids love the boost blue. In a sea of black and gray SUVs, it is no wonder all the kids love my FL5.
Had mine for a week and absolutely love it, feels like the perfect car for my life and interests
Man this should be $40k tbh. That nearly $7k jump from FK8 to this is quite hefty. Either way, I really want one. But dealer markups make an already overpriced car even more expensive.
40k very tops.
@@dnice362 people are buying used fk8s at $40k
@@dnice362 Yup. I miss the days when you could buy an S2000 for $32k brand new
I know somebody looking for one and dealerships won’t offer anything less than $60,000.
@@theawsomenes100I inquired about one last weekend with a salesman who I worked with when buying my wife's CRV. Best offer was $10k mark up with $3.6k worth of dealer accessories.
I am a big Type R fan! In January I traded my 2019 fk8 that I bought in new in 2019 for my 2023 fL5! I was fortunate enough to get both of them from the same dealership new and both at msrp! Having 4 years with my fk8 and almost a year with FL5 and in my opinion the FL5 is more refined and upgraded in almost every way! I did think my FK8 was great but from my experience with the fL5 I won’t ever go back!! It’s hard people to understand the increased pricing but a lot of people that say it’s too high priced haven’t driven one! It is an upgrade all around! But I do agree the markups are so dumb ! You can get in to some other crazy good cars once you hit 55-60k! But for if a person pays msrp for the FL5 I think it’s a lot of car for the money! Much more than that it’s questionable!! Keep up the amazing reviews! I sure enjoy the content! Keep up the great work! 🚙😀
I have this exact car, I have owned for 6 months and I feel that it is a drivers car.
Great segment as always...thank you
They just put the type R 2023 in Gran Turismo 7, in the hero white color.. . cool seeing it in real life now...
Im not sure on the game but the white color type R is championship white color code
@@SlowFk8it's similar to the Forza Motorsports games....Gran Turismo 7 is the latest in the series...
No lie after seeing both the Civic Type R and the Integra Type S I'm learning towards the 23 Integra type s,it just looks better overall to me.✌🏼
The absolute disrespect of other journalists kicking the absolute shit out of the door panel….
FK8 looked atrocious, this is very clean.
Good 👍 less people liking the fk8 the better for me 😂
I almost bought one the other day because in my opinion it’s a much better looking car than the previous gen. However, I just couldn’t justify paying the 5k markup.
5k markeup honestly worth it
We all know you don’t even have 5k in your bank account
Props for not paying more for an overpriced car
@@seecars4960lol, do you?
Yeah I don’t blame you lol I say if you have an fk8 don’t buy it.
Wish honda would ramp up their productions. My local Honda dealer barely has any new vehicle on the lot
For anyone interested: You can get them for msrp. Just call dealerships within a 100/200 mile radius
Man Sofyan reviewing a Honda is a classic.
like this type r after the generations of this car 💯😍😍
Dealership near me selling them for $72k . Old FK8 are going for $50k+ 😢
true here in Canada they are for sale for $80k which is nuts
I hope they don't sell a single one. Marking up the price that much for this car is just evil.
povboy, 80k Canadian dollars is only 58k US dollars
They are selling for 50 here in ohio
@@braetonwilson4296Funny how you say only 58k.
Amazing car Sofyan.
This generation is so much more mature looking. Love it!
Can you daily drive the thing or is it a horrendous racket?
Bruh nice launch 🔥 15:56
Love the styling, but would go with the Integra since no heated seats.
Anybody with anything negative to say, u gotta drive 1 first I promise u smh. Phenomenal machine.
No one who drives this will say it’s worth what they’re asking unless you have a preconceived bias or refuse to grasp reality. I had an FK8, paid $37k.. this car isn’t worth MsRP, should of been $40k max
@@LateNightDateNight shit is more expensive now. The markups are ridiculous but msrp is consistent with the times and inflation. Whenever I see something on RUclips I’m not interested in, I just don’t watch it. Idk y everyone is still bitching about the price over a year since it’s been out. It is what it is, it costs what it costs. Shop elsewhere 🤷🏾♂️
@@joeblacc8573pull Hondas pants up when ur done 😂😂 people are allowed to complain about things. And you’re allowed to not respond when you don’t like it.
I was lucky to drive a friend's DC2 Integra Type R about 15 years ago. Once you drive one, you realize how silly some of the criticism are, like "BuT iT's FwD" 😂
No doubt a phenomenal machine, except it costs 80k+ in canada now, which is about 30k markup. With fees and taxes, it's 95k. Unless you are loaded, no one wants to spend 100k on a Civic
ive only seen these in dealer showrooms, never seen one on the street
Is this a re-upload? We’re almost in 2024
Is Honda still making manual accords?
Something about this guy saying the carpet being red was shocking has me laughing audibly loud
Love the new type r!
My dealer doesn’t mark up. But you have to live in state to purchase.
Man idk. That horn sound is a real deal breaker
I bought my 2024 type R with sonic gray with 5 accessories at $3k over the MSRP.
Black floor mats would help break down the red interior.
So would removing the red interior.
Holy Cost cutting Batman!
they should make a non hatch 2 door version of the type r
Are Type R’s worth buying used? I just wonder if I find one even under 20k miles, then I’d suspect most of that are track miles.
I just can't get over the sound of a 4cyl anymore.
300hp fwd 4 popper for 50$k+
Hahahaha. Fkn hell, stop paying these prices THEN the market will be forced to adjust.
why would you complaint lack of sunroof in Type R honda, That's really defeat the purpose of Type R Ethos. Sunroof make the center of gravity higher which defeat the purpose of track car.
Markups kill any interest in getting one for me sadly. Dealers are fucking up the market man. Smh
Was waiting for market adjustments to end, but sadly they haven't. Bought a used Mazda6 Turbo instead
Cool car
You can't even find one of these at MSRP. This is a kick ass car, but they markup is going to kick you in the ass in the end with those high payments if you are foolish enough to pay markup on this.
If I'm going to pay extra on a car, why not go DE5 Integra Type S? It's $6,000 more, but there are far more Acura dealerships that are not charging markup for the ITS than Honda dealershipe charging markup on the FL5 CTR.
By the time you get the final total on both cars, you wīnd up paying the same final total if not less for an Integra Type S than you would for an FL5 and the DE5 is just nicer.
What’s weird is that everyone talks about how great this car is except in the snow where AWD helps with traction. Um. What about rain? Here in the PNW the Type R will get smoked on the street half of the year.
Then toyota made a corolla GR for you
Most of the Type R owners never drive in snow or rain...:-)
You'd have to go for the GR. After driving both, the CTR looks nicer imho, is faster once going and has a better shifter but man, GR is so much more fun to drive.
Saving the manuals by up selling the car by 20k MSRP
Toyota #1
Can't believe they don't even give you heated seats, rear armrest, sunroof, etc. especially at this price.
I totally agree that this car should offer these features considering its price. However, I can also understand why Honda chose not to: weight reduction. For example, a sunroof can add 50-70 Lbs to a car’s total weight. Additionally, a sunroof can affect a car’s body rigidity. After all, a sunroof is actually a hole on the roof. Honda could add extra bracing to compensate, but again, this would add more weight…
Great review, Sofyan! Thanks!
@@rayrivera187 I get that, but it's all about how the feature set aligns with the price. I support omitting certain features to save weight and boost performance, but then the price needs to reflect those omissions. It certainly doesn't in this case.
@@dlg5485build your own car since you think your smarter than a multibillion dollar company…oh wait nvm your just a consumer with another stupid opinion
@@rayrivera187🤣🤣 that’s not how it works. These options should 100% be added to this car for it price. Now, after it’s added, THEN Honda has to figure out how to make it as light as they want it to be. If they simply cannot do that, then that shows me they just aren’t good at making vehicles that compete in its price range.
@JacesOwnWorld What do you mean that's not how it works? Obviously, cutting a hole in the roof will diminish its rigidity and adding a sunroof will add extra weight while raising the vehicle's center of gravity. This is a track focused machine.
It’s as wide as my van 😳
Blsck roof as standard? Well, just tape it if u want one. I made the roof black and it looks good 👍
Still wish that this thing came with a DCT, but cool car though.
Hot hatch ? After EP3 they might aswell be people carriers for the size of them
Is it better than Elantra N?
For the price? Probably not. But if you don’t care about price then Type R is technically better unless you don’t want manual. Elantra has DCT option.
The N is about 90% as good which ain’t to shabby
Acura Integra Type S next question..
Can someone please tell me why 0-60 matters at all anymore? I feel like it’s such a “muscle car” era issue that people brag about
It came from how fast can a car get up to a good cruising speed and how far it can go in 1 hour. 60 miles in 60 minutes.
Yeah it can gauge acceleration somewhat but it's more of a drag racing issue than anything else. I'd be more curious on a cars 20-80, seems like a more real world test.
You can't get any better for a hot hatch than a Honda Civic Type R. Just the fact that it only comes with that perfect 6-speed manual transmission is amazing, and we all know how immaculate Honda manuals are. If I were to choose this or its platform mate, the Acura Integra Type S, the Integra Type S is the one for me, just because of the styling, it sounds much better, and the fact that the Type S is definitely a better daily driver in terms of comfort as Acura definitely tuned the suspension to be less harsh than the Type R. The Type R is literally a track car meant for racing, hence why it has that stiffer suspension. I also think that Championship White is the perfect colour for any Civic Type R. It's the iconic colour for all Type Rs, and it's perfect on this one, can't expect anything less.
This guy must be really small. The car looks huge next to him.
You mean the ACURA INTEGRA TYPE S is the King!!! 💪
I don’t get premium interior from the video. No rear armrest, no rear vents, only 4 seats, no armrest, no seatback pockets. I do think the exterior looks good 👍. I hear over and over that it’s a great driver’s car so salute to Honda. Never will I ever FWD again. That wheel hop is so annoying. Not for me but for those that partake, enjoy 🤙
#GTI solves all that stuff AND better head room in the rear for real adults 😁
@@NoZeniththe GTI was also like 50 school busses slower than the CTR on the Nurburgring.
Because these reviewers like to stick with “Honda marketing”. This means they make excuses all over the place to make this car seem great for it’s price. The real thing is, yes, the seats and ergonomics in the front are good. But it lacks everything else that literally every other car offers. And this car is more expensive. Tells me that this car is literally a bad bargain deal.
@@TheBreakfastLovercool story. Now how many people are taking their cars to the Ring, or even a track, and winning? The answer is less than 1%! A good TCR driver could easily keep up with a good CTR driver in the canyon, and definitely on the street. So to make a track time comparison to argue, is literally dumb dumb mentality.
@@NoZenithexactly. People just don’t like the GTI because they find it boring to drive in comparison. As a MK7 GYI owner, I kind of agree. In stock form, it’s not that exciting. But it has so much better live-ability, options, and driving comfort, than anyone else. Yes, it’s back seat space is small, but for the price it’s pretty incredible what you get. And it is the leader in the tuned world by far. EA888 is something else!
USD $ 45k 😂😂😂, cost in Germany between $ 65 - 70k, this is nuts for a compact FWD, 6 speed Manual Car.
What's crazy is in Japan it's the equivalent of $38k!!!
@@ryanlittleton5615 😆
Would be faster with an automatic and 4 wheel drive
That is true but it wouldnt be type R roots. Type R been knew for no sunroof, fwd and manual only.
@tl8885 it should be electric too! And have 650HP or more. Then it would be faster …..even if it was gay and weighed 5,000lbs
My dream car forever! Because you can’t get one unless you’re willing to pay $60k so then just get the Integra type S. And for cheaper and also available. This sucks…. Let’s make a cool car you can’t get.
Great car, but not worth the $20k upcharge over a base civic "hatchback". I think I would save $10k and go for a Hyundai Elantra N, or save $5k and get a Camero V8 manual.....
Even a V6 Camaro has way more hp.
@@joshuaciccoricco2947 who would buy a v6 camaro, and remember this is the type r ,its the top of the line civic. a v8 camaro is cool, but around corners is a boat, and on track the type r will smoke it, and on top of that its a honda, so its gonna be way more reliable than the camaro
my gawd look at all the swirls and scratches on the outside door gloss black piece. i know this is a press car but damn. that's gotta be all over the car. just lucky it's white. Were it a black car LOL
I think this segment is awesome . The fast and furious cars . Wrx Sti, lancer evolution, focus RS, and now civic type R. Problem is by the time you make 100k per year . Are you really going to get a Civic Type R. Boy Racer isn’t exactly cute in your 30s . The target market really is teenagers and 20 year olds with rich parents . Otherwise people with millions and you buy this as part of your collection .
With Renault no longer doing the RS pretty much leaving Honda to build the age old Hot Hatch formula of lightweight FWD manual transmission cars with true race engineering, and tested to be as capable and reliable as they are i guess we should just be glad while we can still get them.
I 100% get how some folks feel they need sunroofs and heated seats, big screen entertainment systems and AWD along with automatic transmission and all the bells and whistles but its no longer that old-school Hot Hatch and usually far less involving or fun to drive without that engagement.
As for 0 to 100 or 0 to 60 mph etc traffic light championships I'd say that realistically you are shopping for a very different type of car.
Anyway i guess either way we are quickly losing any of those similar to the 90,s feeling JDM etc types of cars with that more tactile and connected feeling so try as many as you can and enjoy while they are still around..😊
Base price was raised to $6k because they can and it will still sell. No thanks at $43k+ over priced.
Another great car ruined by dealership markups
Hey Sofyan, are you filipino?
Indonesian (father) and Chinese (mother)
He's Ecuadorian and Kazakh
This car is perfect doesn't need a sunroof does not need a heated seats or cool seats if I want some luxury features I'll go to a golf r or type S.
For $50K it better have all those including rear AC vents
@@henrybrar
A Civic Type R doesn't need a sunroof, dude. That'll just add unneeded weight to the roof and increase the height of its center of mass.
Man took a swipe at the fk8 owners by saying "childish"
It looks like that. Useless vents are not cool. All FL5 vents have a purpose
Integra for me
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That's why these cars shouldn't be anywhere near 60K.
Why don’t they include sunroofs on performance models? Lowkey a deal breaker for me when paying those prices.
Probably for performance reasons maybe, but if you aren't a pro driver, you aren't even going to be able to discern the benefits of having one vs without in regards to performance/handling. One benefit, if you are tracking your performance car, you get more headspace without a sunroof, generally probably only an inch of difference, but that could make and break it for some taller people.
Yep there was one real tall designer… 😂 I have the same problem with sunroof’s. Too bad the Civic Si doesn’t have a sunroof delete option…
No one uses sunroofs because they always fail and when it rains your f**k
Sunroofs make cars heavier. Most true performance vehicles are slick tops.
Sunroofs add a lot of weight to the highest point on a car as well as reducing headroom. Both are detrimental for a performance car. It'd be nice as an option for people that want it but definitely shouldn't be standard equipment
People complaining about the price yet y’all had no problem paying over MSRP on the FK8. Worth every penny if you get this at MSRP! Good job Honda 👍
Both fk8 and Fl5 are overpriced
I paid over on the FK8 and it was still less than $40k lol.
@@LateNightDateNight
What year did you buy the FK8?
Honda FWD is the best handling fwd
No projectors for headlights is weird and not worth paying that much.
Price is nasty
I30 N takes the hot hatch
Man only 5.2? Make it AT goes to 4.8s
Rather have a super nice used Vette for the money
Why focus on the drawbacks of FWD? I don’t know why people are so concerned with 0-60 in this car? We live in a world where electric cars have made 0-60 in anything else completely pointless. The CTR is about fun and AWD would add weight, cost more, corrupt the amazing steering, and compromise it’s exceptionally large interior volume
If AWD does all of that then that just shows me that they can't make a car to save their fucking lives. Audi, BMW, and Cadillac all have AWD systems and dominate the backroads way better than this thing. Don't get me started on Jag or Porche. So it can be done, and at that price because all of those Manufacturers are this car's competition. So it is being done, so yeah shit out another excuse, please.
@@RamblingOmarr
Why does this car absolutely "need" AWD? Explain, please. It doesn't need to be the fastest off the line to be an enjoyable driver's car.
@CaseyCollier You Must be Blind and Death if You did hear the mf struggling for Traction, that's bad for tires and suspension parts in the long run. Anybody that actually KNOW anything about "Driver's Cars" would know that... Jackass
@@RamblingOmarrand yet this car has beaten every single new RS3 and G87 M2 in every comparison it’s been in against them. No idea what AWD Cadillac you think compares to this 🤔
@jameswillard1 Are you serious? The Magnaride Cadillac System Benchmarks as best in the industry every Year..... And I fucking Hate Cadillacs. Course I say that, but look that Blackwing is really something special. There is noway this car that's 6 seconds to 60 with NO fucking traction off the Line is fucking with a Cadillac product. And again, I HATE CADILLAC. My Blazer RS with a 93 Octane Tune, and a Cold air intake is faster than this to 60..... And you're pushing forth that it's superior.
WHATEVER DRUG YOU'RE ON ....... I NEED IT.
Is a car with 4 doors a hatch? It's like a fast back wagon. An EG, EK, and EP3 are true hatches. But I do think it's the best type R Honda has made.
I'm lucky to have the more attractive 2019 FK8 as a daily driver. I knew it was something special before I left the lot on a test drive of a used R. Redline Reviews Rock!
There’s no way you’re saying the FK8 looks better, that’s a joke, right?
The regular Civics need more power
FK8 >
Sadly for 45k you can buy a 400+ hp new mustang that will rear it up 1/4 mile and keep up on a circuit track. This should be 40k max
You sound 5’7” bruh
If any car needs AWD it would be this one. Also, with they hype and dealer mark up it's just not worth the price.
Forreals automakers be throwing AWD on every car nowadays but not civic type R??
This is over a year old.
Yayks I'm sure it's a great drive but $45k
Yeah either buy a used civic si and flash tune it and save $$$ for 90% of the fun or buy a mustang
🤔 hm... does no fog lights equals longer battery life?
I wish that this was available in a two-door. I can't stand four door cars. They look so... utilitarian.
❤... but still GTI.😊
You can barely even call this thing a hatchback. It looks almost more like a sedan from the side profile.
This seems to wheel hop worse than the FK8.
FK8 💪💪💪
True..:-)
Get the Golf R better in every aspect besides if your a track boy.
Even at track, the Golf R will put smiles on smiles on anyone driving it. Nobody is out there racing stock vehicles for money on track, so I don’t even understand why anyone would buy a CTR because it might be a second faster in track lol.
Except the Golf R is extremely boring visually and also a VW which is a big no from me.
people obviously dont get the mentality of this car. They prefer the fat heavyweight ACURA type S. Honda type R is not about fat weight but leightweight.
Type s only weighs like 60lbs more though
The last gen type r was so ugly! That is actually something that doesn't look like something a 6 year old made
the fk8 front end/side profile is leagues better than the fl5. rear fl5 takes the cake.
Being the “King of FWD Hatchbacks” isn’t that glamorous 😂
Says the guy who’s never driven a civic
Sounds about poor.
@@naveenthemachine My first car was an SI, I owned an FK8. I know what I discuss
LOL exactly! Mitsubishi Mirage is a FWD hatchback so Civic Type R is the King of Mirage LOL
Toyota/Lexus all day, all night!
Bummed they changed the 2017 body style and raised the price. 🫤 Thank you for the review! 😊
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