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Windows 11 24H2 New requirement cannot be bypassed as the OS will use instruction sets of CPU
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2024
- There is a difference in removing the check for minimum requirements and the Operating System using a set of instructions that is needed in operations
My requirement to delete Windows and transition all my devices to Linux cannot be bypassed.
I cannot thumbs up your comment enough!! I will not be throwing out my computers, my hardware, or anything else I own just because some corporation told me to!!!
@@craigcarter6980 You are running hardware well over 15 years old still? Good luck running a modern OS of any flavour on that.
Why are you using a 20 year old CPU?
@@mechadeka Lol
Not an option for many people due to lack of specific software on Linux. Emulating those softwares isn't an option either, as it's often buggy and unreliable.
How much do users need to be restricted before they search for alternatives?
I'm not sure. For me I switched to linux a year ago and I'm loving it. I am not restricted at all, and can use the same instructions without being required, if I didn't have the instructions I can use my OS the same as before. Linux is freedom true freedom from Microsoft. It's even easy now with gnome, and sure you'll have to use the material but I learn Linux exclusivity with AI which taught me basic commands.
This one at least is relatively sensible, (especially when compared to their original W11 requirements) Barring Atom (which requires a 2015 model or newer-- same with VIA Nano) If you have an Intel Sandy Bridge or AMD Jaguar/Bulldozer this requirement will not effect you. As for a breakdown on what the instruction (popcnt) does: ruclips.net/video/bLFqLfz2Fmc/видео.html
Users who have technical skill will always find ways around these problems. Those without, barely know nor care about any of this. A PC is a PC to them, they use it until it breaks or cannot be used, then just buy another one. If everyone who uses a PC had technical skill, software and hardware companies wouldn't get away with things so easily.
Alternatives work to our benefit. It's a loss to Microsoft
@@liblevi45s53 It's not a problem to be solved, you either have a capable CPU or you don't. And I doubt there are so many 16+ year old machines out there running windows 11 that it's going to be anything like a common problem.
The instruction set was avaliable on most cpus from 2006 onwards. This isn't gonna change much.
Yeah, this really isn't a big deal. People on those machines really shouldn't be running Windows 11 other than a proof of concept type thing. An older OS or Linux would make more sense. If they started walling off 2nd/3rd gen Intel, then it would start being an issue.
Not quite. A PC of 2006 can run Windows 10, but not the new Windows 11 anymore. SSE4.2 appeared on Intel CPU's with 1st generation Core i7 / i5 / i3 in 2009, on AMD side, SSE4A on the first Phenom in 2008.
you mean w11 wont work on my pentium III!?
If your system is not supported by Win11 that means that you don't need Win11.
Pretty much true. I have such a system and yet I bypassed the requirements and installed it just fine. Everything worked except sound. After some research I discovered that the last sound driver for my motherboard was made for Windows 10, so then I went back to Windows 10 and everything worked absolutely fine again, including sound. So I decided not to install Windows 11 until I upgrade my PC.
According to Wikipedia, SSE4 was announced in 2006 and released a year later. That means that CPUs made in 2007 or later will most likely have the SSE4 instruction set. I think that computers that came preinstalled with Windows XP or Vista will not be getting any new feature updates for Windows 11.
this. and if you're STILL using hardware from XP, Vista and/or Windows 7 eras, PLEASE move on.
I Think its about sse 4.2 and 4A.
@@Blood-PawWerewolfWhat about pc’s that originally had Windows 8?
To be precise, it's not just SSE4. Not even SSE4.1. You need at least SSE4.2 (introduced on intel in 2008 and on amd in 2011) and/or SSE4A (amd only, as far as I know) which was introduced with their Barcelona architecture cpus. If I remember correctly that means their Phenom cpus very late in 2007, just before the end of that year, but yes, it's been out for a while now.
@@Blood-PawWerewolf My pc that came factory with windows vista is still doing its job just fine after upgrading to windows 10, Why should i put money out to replace a perfectly good computer?
The artificial hardware restrictions in the major OSes by MS and Apple is nuts.
How is it "artificial" for Win 11 to take advantage of modern cpu instruction sets?
I agree. It is just making really good hardware obsolete before its time. My case: a Dell Precision M6800 that is NOT supposed to run W11 23H2 and an HP/Compaq NX9600 that is NOT supposed to run ANYtHING above XP 32 Bit and it is running W10 22H2. Both have maximum hardware specs and still run my apps (either the x64 or the x86 versions) without any flaws.
This "restriction" mostly excluded CPUs still using northbridge, it's really a non issue and only made one through clueless clickbait YT videos by people who really do not understand this at all.
it is a big fat non issue.
The usual forced obsolescence, when processors work fine, yet lack the 'required' instruction sets 🤮
Forced obsolescence? There's 0 excuse to be using a CPU older than 2006-2007. Technology will not stop because some people don't want to move forward.
They does it with web browsers too. That's more annoying.
SSE4, specifically the relevant POPCNT instruction, was first used in Nehalem CPUs, it predates the current minimum "requirements" of WIN11 (Coffee Lake) by nearly 10 years.
true, intel 8.gen and up ...
Wrong, full support on all models only appeared with Sandy Bridge in 2011. Prior to Sandy Bridge the low end and embedded chips weren’t guaranteed to support POPCNT or the full SSE4 suite.
A good chunk of business PCs are those low end chips.
I downloaded CPU-Z and the instructions on mine did have the SSE4.2 and SSE4A but it still tells me my CPU is non-supported. I am running a AMD A-10-8750 Radeon 7 3.6 ghz.
u need tpm 2.0 and secureboot
Just bypass it if tpm and secureboot check. I done that
Nothing has changed over the years ive used Windows from 95 to Windows 10. They were always implementing system requirments back the day.
Wrong, they never had bad requirements like now.
My PC has an AMD Ryxen 7 3700x CPU with 64 gigs. It does not support 11. We also have a 7 year old PC with a I5 and 8 gigs -which does.
You could easily upgrade that Ryzen to newer AM4 processor for less than $100. Problem solved.
The problem is at the KERNEL Level and the instruction Scheduller
😁🤷♂️
BUT, Someone with enough knowledge could modify the CPU driver [or MicoCode] *to convert certain type of instructions into the other type, the same way DX11 and DX12 instructions/calls are translated to the Vulkan API*
( though that may take some extra CPU Cycles to complete but it should work, it's binary math, so it Should be technically possible)
Noone needs it really.
example: Intel i7-7700 (sse4.2, included popcnt instr.) but MS put this model to the non supported CPUs list and i don't understand why ...
m$ want us to transition to w$11, but is proactively preventing us to do so... ironic.
Windows keeps getting more terrible every day. It only drives people to try other operating systems. I have switched over to Linux and very rarely even look at windows anymore.
They are forcing you to upgrade your computer to a different CPU and hardware, or stay at Windows 11 23H2 with the Bi-pass of the checks on your computer!!!!!!
Still good for my *AMD FX-8350* it has both SSE4.2 and SSE4A.
I am curious, the required instruction set was released in 2008
It's still possible to bypass it through instruction set emulation (like a Virtual Machine or emulator but for instruction sets).
God bless.
You are correct cloning a Type 1 VM installed OS and restoring it to a native machine does bypass the min requirements.
I have another question in addition to my last one when I got my computer it was offered windows 11 via the windows update does that mean it’s a supported device which means will I get 24 h2
Hello. First of all thanks for clearing up now that I know about the instruction sets now I understand why it won’t work even if I don’t like it. If the machine that I have, have it, and I should be OK. My oldest machine I have is I believe 2010. It’s a legacy machine so I don’t know how that would work. But thanks again for clearing up the core part versus the operating system thing. Now that I know that it’s gonna be relying on that instruction now I understand why there’s no bypasses available at this point. But, I can see where Microsoft would be doing more harm than good. You would think they would learn from their mistakes, but they don’t seem to care. Like I said, in the last comments, if you care about the environment and care about your clientele, you won’t make these reckless choices. But somehow, people who have luxury are able to do it. I personally, don’t want to have to buy new hardware every several years. I want my machines to last for quite a while. Anyway, thanks again and I hope that this will be the end of the reckless decision-making for a while, but something tells me we’re only getting started.
As a kid that has a core 2 quad and is daily driving win 11 23h2 with an SSD its actually a pretty decent experience
One way to circumvent the missing instructions: Is possible if the cpu has an illegal instruction interrupt. You simply add code to the interrupt handler to check for the instructions that Windows 11 and then 12 uses, and add code to it, to handle the missing instructions. This is not for the faint of heart and may be done at thre uefi/bios level or the kernel level. I prefer Linux to Windows for various reasons.
A few modern games require the SSE4.2 to run example counter strike 2, and I think it will be needed for windows 11 AI to run.
my Acer nitro n50-600-es15 over 4 years pc support windows 11. my other my Alienware x51 r2 don't work with windows 11
Microsoft once said that Windows 10 will be the final Windows. Then they made Win 11. But, it all really depends on how & what Windows 12 will be. If it will be worse than Win 10, then for me at least Win 10 might be indeed the last & final Windows. Then I am moving to SteamOS.
Microsoft never said 10 is last... people are sharing fake news.
My old workstation with dual Intel Xeon X5660, seems to have both "SSE4 / SSE4.1 + SSE4.2 / Streaming SIMD Extensions 4" and "POPCNT". But i'm going to upgrade sometime in the future. But I will backup/clone my c: drive just in case something goes wrong.
I just bought a laptop this year for taking a school course and it came with windows 11, so far and I hate new OS's its actually not been that bad, my only beef is with not being able to un combine the task bar windows. I think this new upgrade is supposed to fix that.
We can't bypass anything 😢
Few months later: now we can bypass 😎
Microsoft: 🤯
The ability to emulate missing instruction has been part of the x86 line since the 1978 and the 8086. Don't kid yourself. This is a marketing thing and not a technology thing.
there is a ssefix 4.2 around so someone could bake that into the installation for windows and then i believe it would still work
The required instruction set exists fully on all intel core i CPUs since Haswell. That's 10 years old PCs that started on Windows 7 or 8, how many even older PCs even exist in our day and what can those machines even do in today's environment? Those machines also have slow RAM and HDDs.
I can see Microsoft getting into trouble again. How can you make a certain CPU operation a requirement? What if it's not available from AMD or ARM or others? Do they get nothing from Windows? It's like saying that "at this address on this CPU you need to have this data string" or we won't run. I've read where this latest update (24H2) will basically brick your computer. How is this allowed? It's just an operating system, not a vault, where you have to have all the right keys in the right spots to open or run something. I think it's time for me to look a something else for my computer. Hello Ubuntu.
Thankfully I upgraded last year to a new AMD 7700X.
I installed windows 11 just 2 days ago on my mid 2011 iMac 27 inch. I did the bypass from a usb install onto my computer. It booted up perfectly. I also did the updates and there was no issue. Every is smooth. I just reverted back to windows 10, because I didn’t see much difference, except that it seemed more like spyware to advertise. It felt like I was just using windows 10, but with harder ways to personalize and find things. The thing is I use both Pc and Mac 🖥. So 11 feels just as frustrating as a Mac. Also people need to know that when you install windows 11. If you do not revert back to your previous version of windows before the 10 days is up. You will have to back up all your files, downloads. Because you have to do a whole new install of windows. That is an issue. I might do a triple boot camp, and install it separately.
Will Windows 10 64 Bit older PC will work on Windows 11 64 Bit 24H2
I'm just so done with windows right now. If microsoft rolls out a terrible update one more time, I will get rid of everything windows related from my browsing and search history altogether
Well without the current workaround 2012's AMD FX-8350 didn't work with W11, so is this going to tank that work around? It has support these chipset/CPU features. MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4a, AMD64, AMD-V, AES, AVX, CLMUL, CVT16, EVP, FMA4, XOP, Turbo Core, and HT3.1.
i feel you bro. one of the requirements is a TPM.
I have that cpu and it's great. Nice and powerful. What a crock of shit this is.
No. Only cpu without sse 4.2 that can't bypass it. If your cpu have sse 4.2, you can use bypass method.
If Linux would just simply prioritize NIVIDA drivers, HDR etc. making gaming automatically work everyone would already be moving. But gaming, HDR etc. being janky is a deal breaker for most people.
So. CPU-ID says my CPU has all of the instructions as required. I installed a TPM 2.0 on my motherboard, however my CPU doesn’t meet the requirements.
BTW. My CPU is a i7-4790K Haswell.
All more the reason for people to switch to Linux. I guess I have a year or 2 to learn Linux.
I told everyone not to upgrade to W11. I have my own licensed copy of W10 and I disabled updates months ago. Reason being, I leave my machine running 24/7 and I woke up at 4 am to find my machine remotely restarted (I have a UPS for power glitches), apparently to pop up that stupid upgrade screen that tries to trick you into upgrading when you don't want to. And I'm already looking into Linux as an alternative when they inevitably try to keep me from using what I've already paid for.
There will always be workarounds that will be found.
Alternatively I have already learnt how to use Linux so yeh, not afraid to move if I have to.
Ny understanging is that 8th gen Intel and I'll say 3rg ben Ryzen are supported. I tried 7th gen on Intel and it would not allow install. TPM, Secure Boot, and SSE 4.2. I use Intel 9th gen throgh 13th gen on my PCs right now. I know they have these instruction sets in the cores of the CPUs. I would use 9th gen CPUs or 3rd gen Ryzen to be safe. It is said to be for security, but I think it is to enforce 5 year age limit.
Wrong. There is a new Windows 11 LTSC 24H2 that don't require TPM and secure boot at all. No need to worry about CPU either.
why always operating system change if you do same thing as windows 10 or windows 7. example 1. internet browsing 2. downloading and uploading.
Why is this going to be needed by Windows 11 ? Bit confused :/
I am OK on my systems, but what's the purpose of this ?
It will work, remember we have virtualization. And now we have AI that can used to speed up finding a loophole. It is just a matter of time.
So what will happen? BSOD when the instruction is invoked? What are the scenarios when it is invoked?
If you use such old hardware you should look for a lightweight alternative like Linux or old Windows versions if you need some legacy software. W11 simply isn't designed for that.
So is the Intel I7 7700k too Old for Windows 11 installation? The CPU has SSE4.2 and the latest BIOS Firmware to be compatible with Windows 11 but with Microsoft PC Health Check it states that it is not compatible for an upgrade. I can still do a lot of things on the computer. Cheers!
I think so yes. I think you need gen 8 (coffee lake) Intel cpu, or newer, to be considered "compatible". You might be able to pass this time and this new requirement with SSE 4.2, but who knows in a few months or a year? I even read somewhere that they quietly removed some 8th gen intel cpus from their supported list, like 44 Xeon cpus (or something like that), even though they too are considered 8th gen. I myself run Skylake i7 6700K with a GTX 1080. Actually a secondary PC running a Skylake i5 6600K with an AMD RX 480 8GB gpu. Both 6th gen intel cpus. My son also runs a i7 6700K. All 3 have SSE 4.1 and SSE 4.2. However I also get that they do not support Win 11. I know I can use a bypass method, but that would mean risking Microsoft pulling more future stuff like this and tighten the requirements even further and our PCs ends up not bootable. Not to mention that using some of the bypass software, or "special" Windows 11 installs from 3rd party online, has been known to come with all kinds of spyware and trojans bundled into them. I have no problems running the games I like. Even games that are only maybe 1-2 years old on highest settings. I'm not much for action games, or like Cyberpunk and such, so for me running strategy games and turnbased RPG's, Civ 5, Humankind etc, this PC suits me just fine. Still Microsoft wants to force me and others to get new hardware once support for win 10 runs out, or be forced to register to pay for extended support. It's very not consumer friendly.
Not to mention that the whole "build a used PC cheap" market will crash. There are quite a few that either just buy up older parts and build very workable PC's to use. Others buy up older parts, build workable PC's that they sell cheap, which still runs Fortnite or whatever and take the profit they make by selling a bunch of such computers to finally be able to afford to buy a new one. Plenty of videos of that on RUclips. In 2025 they will be forced to only buy gen 8 intel (and I think amd ryzen 3) or newer to build any PC which needs Windows installed. They can't expect a customer to be willing to pay for extended win10 support. Very enviromentally unfriendly and most old CPUs will go into landfills. Also meaning that for those that intentionally builds retro systems to run like XP, win7 or whatever to play vintage games, which won't run on newer O/S and hardware, will have a problem finding older cpus and mobos, since they will all be thrown in the trash.
Only way to avoid this would be to go the Linux route. However that does not work for all scenarios and users. Linux does not necessarily support everything some users may want, or need to do. It feels like being stuck between a rock and a hard place where personal freedom of choice is the victim. In todays world with many having a very tight financial situation it's particularly bad. Imagine having a couple of kids. Maybe you need to update 2-3 PC's in your home then, when paying the regular bills and put food on the table is more important, but at the same time you need those computers for kids school work and to even be able to log into your bank in countries where everything is more or less now digital. Then add on top of that smart phones etc. They too pull stuff like this. Your phones O/S won't get latest updates after a few years and then the bank says that you can not log in with an outdated O/S. It's becoming very expensive to just do your day to day stuff in this digital age. It almost feels like being stuck in the garbage disposal in the Death Star and the walls keeps coming closer and closer to crush you. Your freedom of movement gets narrower and narrower.
Planned obsolescence, just use it till it drops dead lol maybe the current version of Windows 11 will remain supported until then.
It seems that Windows wants to sell more Intel and AMD CPUs.
I have 3 Win11 systems, one Win 10, that will be converted to Linux, like my other three older PCs, and I just bought a mac mini to see how it works.
I am using the mac for just about everything and am very impressed with its power.
Bottom line: Almost everything is moving to the internet and the OS is becoming less and less important. For gamers though, Windows is still king.
My window 11 23H2 update replaced AMD Aderline software, is there any way to use it back again? 😭
They need a windows 11 legacy mode like Rosetta on a mac so that win 11 can run on older hardware without invoking a bypass.
Thanks for the info!
Hej Gill thanks for the video yes this is in deeper level and i have been waiting for it, i understood that it would come sooner or later that computers on unsupported hardware that are very old can't run never Windows 11 versions. I have a new gaming laptop and it has full support for windows 11 but i have an older gaming laptop bought it in 2017 so interesting i will check it if it has the right instruction sets required by the Cpu. TechTarget as also a very good article about the instruction set in a computer's Cpu and what it is about and so on. But sooner or later you have to buy new hardware to be able to have the latest versions of Windows, this also applies to Macs, Iphones, Android phones, that's how it works take care Gill and have a nice evening.
As long as my I7-3770 CPU still functions I will continue to use 22H2 I will not buy a new system just to use an updated OS
It is not very difficult to get a laptop that supports Windows 11 if you must have it. You can continue to use your older machine for most stuff.
I can see someone ripping in to the guts of 24H2 and making it so that it doesn't need to check or want to check.
Don't count out the community, someone will find a way to deal with it. They always do.
So if you allow the upgrade from 23H2 to 24H2 on a currently unsupported system that we forced Windows 11 on will stop working? So again Microsoft is gonna try and force all these people to buy new PC's to keep using Windows. This will of course break how many thousands of PC's? Normal operations of Microsoft piss off a lot of people already. If they go with this they will be cutting their own throats. This better be an optional process or there will be big trouble.
I run 23H2 on an amd Fx 6100, with 8gb ram
Will I be able to run 24H2?
SSE4.2 SSE4A instruction Fx 6100
POPCNT instruction
Well, my i7-920 has SSE4.2, and SSE4a are AMD-only anyway.
Probably testing for when they add AI instructions to the cpu
That took out reckoning iPads.And Samsung phones to.
even my old machine is sse4.2 and 4.2a
actually most older PC will be able to bi pass this at least From Gen 4 up with out a problem the more I am startingto hear and look into this they are really only after some really super old CPUs
There has to be a trigger mechanism for this check to work . When found , every time the check is triggered it could run into a wedge that redirects the check to your routine and reports back that all ia swell in Disneyland and windows keeps running . Of course you have to put the wedge there yourself. I started putting wedges into entire Commodore 64 systems way back when . :O) The whole rotten game is nothing less than a pain in the butt . I am also a Linux user so I have a way to escape from the madness . :O)
If your computer does what you need, why all this would matter?
because if u cant upgrade or get security patches your computer could get hacked.
@@brianm2238 You don't necessarily need to always upgrade, and if you don't need to install new software, you don't get viruses.
@@brianm2238that's a problem only after Windows 10 support ends which will happen in October 2025.
It's now a good time to switch to Linux and learn to use one of the free office suites available to Linux distros. Windows 11 might be remembered as the version and time where Microsoft shot itself in the foot and forced people to migrate to other platforms and application suites.
Someone who knows how could develop a virtual cpu that a patch would send any requirement checks to that virtual cpu that says it's supported and has all the fixings.
"Hudson Valley" nice
It won't allow Windows 11 to boot on unsupported CPUs
Microsoft plays Microhard 🎉
Main motto: as long as it sells.
Nope: Where do want to buy a New PC
(Paraphrased from Old 90's Slogan)
Can i use win11 on my i5 7400?
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Windows 11 has YET to justify it's existence. TPM this...
O keep using Win 10 for gaming, no need for w11.
The instructions set will be bypassed just like what they did on TPM requirements 😂
I guess planned obsolescence has always been a revenue model, but Microsoft is the first to deal it out with an hammer fist - on hardware that has decades of good use left.
Keep your perfectly adequate hardware out of Indian landfill !!! Linux time folks. It's just better.
I'm not sure why my Ryzen 2700X won't work. Arrrrg.
I'm switching to Mac after W10. I'm done with Microsoft.
So sad, I wish Microsoft would just get rid of the TPM, Secure Boot, RAM requirements because clearly it works even if it's below. EU should ban this practice by Microsoft.
God bless.
My otherwise perfectly running I 7 alienware gaming laptop will be useless sometime after next Oct. My computer person told me this a year ago. They said I can not get regular updates and I cannot change the operating system. Period. No matter what I see on YT videos that claim otherwise they said. So I hate life right about now because I love that PC and it wasn't cheap.
MIcrosoft again pushing people away from upgrading OR staying with Windows!
This policy is against old loyal clients. It will be more harmful for Windows itself than it will harmful to clients. Clients will go loyl to other operating systems.
What ever happen to climate change?
what a joke! why should an 18 y.o. processor be considered obsolete ??
I like Windows 10 much better. I think I like Ubuntu better as well.
Microsoft forces ppl to buy new hardware. Can I send a bill to them for my new computer? :D :D
wait until EU stop them.
u can pay for windows 10 updates
The real reason for blocking older computers is just simply to get new hardware sales - and Window 11 is the worst Microsoft operating system since DOS 4.00. Server versions of the operating system run on old hardware without issue - these have the same kernel as desktop. VMware blocked upgrades where CPU's did not support new virtualization tech, Microsoft allowed, you just don't get best performance. So it is possible to enable an OS to support and (effectively) run on old hardware. Most users have absolutely no requirement for a processor newer than 10 years. Internet browsing and some form of Office app is actually the most use the majority of computers get. Maybe there should be a global class action against Microsoft for environmental damage - millions of functional but "scrap" computers.
this story is a whole nothing burger. only cpu below first gen i3 are affected. those things should not be running anything but windows 7 in the first place
All AMD FX, RYZEN (SSE4A) and INTEL CORE from LGA1366 have the SSE4.2 instruction set, so.. noone uses W11 with P4 od Phenom II. If you never mention this, totally skipped without knowing it, and I did not waste 5 minute of my life for literally NOTHING. So here is your dislike.