In Defense of Fire Emblem in Smash
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My biggest problem with Smash Ultimate is that Bowser doesn't have his Mario Odyssey wedding suit as an outfit.
In Smash though Bowser loses most of his actual personality. He's treated as a Wild Animal, hence why he doesn't have his original voice actor and his design is more realistic in comparison to the rest of the Mario characters
@@Murr248 which is also a tragedy because dad bowser is best bowser
@@Murr248 yeah Sakurai in Smash is more old time bowser a huge luming beast that has no remorse and kills if need be sakurai confirmed it even I think
I hate that they gave him the color of puke. His render looks alright, but his in-game default colors look awful! He's supposed to have yellow scales, not puke colored ones!
At least it's a step up from Melee, where he looks like literal feces. Like, actual turds.
@@Murr248 i still say one of his taunts should be his "cross arms and chuckle" pose from mario & luigi
"Corrin is the 'Shrek the Third' to Byleth's 'Shrek Forever After'."
Oh he's mad mad.
You know, pretty accurate honestly.
This IS Corrin we’re speaking about.
If you’ve played Fates... You’d understand how utterly horrible they are as a protagonist.
@@IAteABox I've only played the Birthright path and after I finished it I had no desire to go back, and, wouldn't you know it, Corrin being a horrible protagonist was one of the primary reasons. I couldn't stand to relive his horendous strategic errors and the painfully black and white morality of the story.
@@SomeCrusader And then there is Byleth who is just a Self insert who has too much of the story focused on him which ultimately makes it worse than it could have been.
Please Nintendo, No more Avatar characters as 'Main characters' You've tried twice and they both came out pretty bad.
@@bluntlyhonest6803 I mean, they tried 4 times
I think another big reason Chrom wasn’t complained about was because he was revealed next to Dark Samus in the same direct as Simon/Richter AND King K Rool
Anyone was acceptable at that point because more fighters means more characters to try out once the game releases.
Ah. Much better approach indeed. I hadn't realized this point until your comment. Revealing a slew of echo fighters at the same time is a much smarter approach if they do release more in the future. Make it like five -each from its own series - at the same time.
@@---jt5wg well they only did that because it was when the game was releasing. They wouldn’t do multiple dlc reveals at once since they are spaced out too much.
@@ronnycrawf2441 if they did an Echoes pack it would likely drop all at once due to quicker dev cycles
Chrom was also said, by sakurai, to be heavily requested along dark samus
I love how the central point of this video basically boils down to “it’s all Corrin’s fault”.
I disagree with the main point. yeah, corrin sucked, but if you count the clones, then fire emblem has 8 characters and mario, basically the hallmark francise of nintendo's, has 10. I get his point that it is all diffrent stories, but in the end, it is the third most rep. franchise and has middling sales to say the least. if we had other fan favorites like waluigi, geno, ect. and there were more characters for each francise, like 1 more, then I would be fine with fire emblem. If you are saying that they are echos, then you need to realize how long it takes to create animations. even so, 5 characters still is unbalanced when zelda has 5, despite it being, well, zelda
@@jamesurbanic1431 I agree, but you have to admit that the reveal of Corrin pleased no one, not even some Fire Emblem fans, myself included.
@@SomeCrusader i am not saying that everything about corrin was good. But there is more problems then just corrin
@@SomeCrusader excuse me sir may I interject?
Sword man become dragon which make me happy chemical :)
@@theimpostorafungus1213 Like how Ezio Auditore in this game will give me happy chemical even though it will probably never happen :(
Great video, but there's a disappointing lack of "That was his mistake!"
1/10
I guess that really was his mistake
That's PRECISELY what makes the video bad
1/10 for liking Lute
@@angryhoovy5861 no one better.
PREVISELY
"Chrom got added and No-one really complained." Pshh, right, like we're gonna complain about Matt mercer.
I'm fairly certain that's a crime.
Who’s Matt Mercer?
@@IcyDiamond the voice actor of chrom
@@IcyDiamond Apparently, Chrom's voice actor.
@@IcyDiamond
A nerdy-ass voice actor who plays Dungeons and Dragons
"Corrin is the Shrek the Third to Byleth's Forever After." I both love and hate how much sense that makes.
Was Forever After good?
@Oli Ver Neat.
Honestly same!!
So Ike/Robin would be Shrek 2?
@@gintokisakata514 Yes. Especially Robin. I liked Awakenings even if I never got to finish it (I borrowed it from a friend.)
Hilarious how corrin’s existence causes a fucking war in his world and our world
Well, if you look into it, the Revealation of St. John says that a dragon will appear during the Tribulation and Corrin can turn into a dragon. Coincidense? I THINK NOT!
As a pro smash player yes
It wasn’t even that funny, it was dark. And kind of stupid to be honest. But one thing This is so stupid is because Corrin, is a Fire Emblem Character, and if Corrin’s the Enemy, and since Fire Emblem Fates is his debut, this means Fire Emblem’s The Enemy. Schaffrillas you’re trying to defend the Fire Emblem’s Reaction in Smash Bros not being on the shameless Bandwagon framing Fire Emblem.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios That is exactly what I was thinking. Fire Emblem concacted Corrin and Fates so Fire Emblem really is OUR TRUE ENEMY!
Starmis exactly.
Byleth: "Each battle, a chance to grow."
Robin: "I'm always three steps ahead."
Corrine: *_"I WIN"_*
"GOOD"
That "I win" gave me ptsd
I don't know why they made his victory screens so bad, because his taunts are at least decent. He says things like "I've made my choice" or "Your fate is clear", and those work well enough. They could've done something similar with victory screens where he says (for example) "Your fate was decided from the beginning" or something like that. But no, we got "Good," "That went well," and the worst: "I win," because not only is it stupidly simple but he says it in the most annoying way possible.
PRECISELY
*ARE YOU READY FOR THIS?!*
Who is this “Fire Emblem” we speak of and why do they keep smashing my bros?
StEp BrO wHaT aRe YoU dOiNg
@@Flome810 no no no bad human
@@Flome810 this is actually canon
Step brother, help!
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It's called Fire Emblem, yet only one of them has a sword that catches fire.
That's why Roy's Our Boy
Isn’t the yato on fire?
The Omega yato is a chainsaw
The fire emblem is so irrelevant in most games it's funny
You forgot Ike neutral B but I can see why
"Corrin is the reason we don't have world peace."
Ironic, since Corrin wants to achieve peace, but expected, since he doesn't have the balls to stand and fight for his ideals, that would make him a cool char.
If you look into the book of Revealation, it says that a dragon will appear in the End Times and cause strife on Earth, and the kicker is that Corrin can turn into a dragon. Coinsidense? I THINK NOT.
@@FortunateSon-mo9zi What does that make Byleth?
@@chaoscontroller316 Well Byleth is more or less completely player controlled while Corrin makes infuriatingly stupid story descisions on his own fruition, so Byleth is off the hook.
@@FortunateSon-mo9zi the player has no control over Byleth when it comes to story other than choosing your route and 1 of 3 dialog options at times that don't effect anything story wise...
Emphasis on "would"
When you have the tag line “everyone is here,” you really can’t cut anyone out. Or the tag line will be “almost everyone is here” which doesn’t sound that impressive in a marketing standpoint
everyone who matters is here
That's another reason why Sw and Sh are the black sheeps of pokemon.
Gonna catch about 1/3 of 'em
"Everyone is here ! ... except Corrin" would have been a power move.
@@KirianLara To be fair, that phrase never existed in Japan in the first place. That is the reason why Ash never tried to catch every Pokemon.
everyone is here
except waluigi
Honestly, I feel like the problem was the release. If it was Byleth and then Banjo as the last one, people would have been fine. Yet people where hoping the last character was going to be big, and then they got disappointed.
Well I mean, we got Banjo and Steve so I'm not complaining
I don’t get this. We have quite literally never ONCE had a smash cycle “end with a bang” and people aaaalways hype themselves up thinking it will then get disappointed when it inevitably doesn’t. Why won’t people realize that the middle of the reveal cycles are where they peak?
Brawl: ended with Olimar
Smash 4 base: ended with Bowser Jr./Duck Hunt
Smash 4 DLC: ended with Corrin (edit: and Bayonetta at the same time, but corn was still an awful reveal to end out on)
Ultimate Base: ended with Incineroar/Ken
Ultimate FP1: ended with Byleth
Ultimate FP2: ???
@@Ashraf7I7 Steve was in a later pass so he doesn’t count towards the impact of Byleth’s release
@@tuskoub Ultimate actually ended with Piranha Plant, that was hilarious
@@tremendousnachocandy1088 Yeah but when fighter pass 2 got revealed that disappointment was replaced with hype, again
“Now it’s time to utter those sweet, sweet words, Who the f*ck is corrin”
-Scott the Woz
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@@Helicopter7 i love your comment
Lol, which episode was that?
@@cristianarreola8582 Make A New Smash Game
"You know who I hate when a new smash bros character is announced absolutely everyone"
- Also scott the woz
The "Hoes Mad" image has been going around since Hero was added. It's just another shitty meme that's overstayed its welcome (but I did enjoy "Hoes Fatally Furious" when Terry was added)
Hoes Fatally Furious was the best incarnation of the meme, it should’ve died after that. But then Byleth happened and FE fans spammed it to high fucking heaven, and now it’s become one of the most unfunny and annoying Smash memes to date.
@@spark1400 I actually don’t think I’ve ever seen that one
Hoes Mad is a tool that should have been used more sparingly.
Someone just stating that they’re disappointed with the character? Don’t use Hoes Mad, they’re entitled to not be happy with it if they aren’t happy with it, so long as they respect those who are happy about it.
Someone arguing up an absolute storm about how Masahiro Sakurai is Satan incarnate for approving a video game character that Nintendo put forward to him or something like that? _That’s_ when you pull out the Hoes Mad image.
TL;DR: hoes mad should be funny but it can’t be now because people didn’t know where it was and wasn’t appropriate.
As long as the smash bros community keeps being toxic it will never die tbh
I still think it’s pretty funny tbh
The reason female Byleth got her own splash art is because both genders of Byleth have different names in Japan.
WHAT
@@theemeraldking530 Bereto (male) and Beresu (female) if I remember right
@@ladymoragsbootlaces8059 For the record, it's less different names and more of a tomato/tomayto thing. They're both Byleth (which is originally the name of a demon from the Ars Goetia) but one pronounces it with the original hard t and the other with the englishy way of saying "th". Makes setting them apart easier.
I heard PapaGenos say that once, the same seems to be true for Steve and Alex as well
@@ExeloMinish pretty sure the demon was actually called, Beleth, no?
Most people rejected his message. They hated him because he told the truth.
Yo Shuck, love your vids
The truth? Nah.
Nah, screw that noise. Too much samey anime swordfighters.
The only ones "worth it" are Marth, Ike, Corrin and, ugh, Byleth
@@SourTb what about robin and roy? also the other ones are echos.
@@joshuajackson2510 Roy is a disguised echo. And... Tbh I completely forgot Robin was a thing, but they're actually the most unique sword fighter of them all, so I'll allow it
"And Claude should be an echo fighter of Byleth"
Whelp, guess we know which route he picked. Good to see a fellow Golden Deer.
We love to see people of taste here. Golden Deer is the best house, y'all can fight me.
Golden Deer aka THE CHAD route
The lions and the eagles may fight to prove their superiority, but it seems like the deer are quieter. And EVERYWHERE.
I was looking for our FEAR THE DEER propaganda through the comments - not dissapointed uwu
"FEAR THE DEER!"
"I got scared by two deer having sex in my backyard."
"NOT IN THAT WAY!
The *downright hilarious* thing is that Corrin causing the problem at hand *is in line with their character.*
😭
I can’t believe Sonic still only has one character, one music remix, and two stages that are both Green Hill
Yeah sonic is horribly represented
Only if Eggman got in to represent the franchise better
@@IcyDiamond *tails
If only we get a new rep who does justice to Sonic, just like Sephiroth did with Final Fantasy (you know. More songs, unique moveset, some fancy stage"
It seems like Nintendo still holds the grudge against SEGA
@@nezarredondo6101 enough.
"When Chrom was revealed, nobody really complained. Except Kotaku, so allow me to rephrase that. No one of value really complained"
Got em
Fun Fact!: Chrom was actually requested! “Omg! Who would’ve thought!”😃
Didn't kotaku write an article about byleth not being a gary stu/mary sue bc ppl like dorothea dislike them? LIKE YEAH IT'S DOROTHEA! SHE HATES EVERYONE
>Chrom gets in Smash Ultimate, due to how popular he was requested in Japan and even in the West, thus completely justifying his inclusion, mainly since he’s just an echo fighter and iconic.
>Kotaku seeing this and bitching as always.
@@mtj8870 not really hating everyone. dorothea is just rather cynical and quick to judge. she hates ferdinand because of a serious misunderstanding, and feels uncomfortable around byleth due to their perceptive nature. that is all i can recall of her actually disliking someone
“Xenoblade has one rep”
Pyra and mithra when shaprilas is in editing: ima end this mans whole career
And also unfortunately kind of proved the problem with the smash Community, it's not oversaturation that people complain about, it's when they get characters that aren't mainstream
@@GrammerPancreas if the sword character had been sora or dante no one would have complained, as stated in the video the problem is with Corin
@@Angwiser-zk7vk Why does a Fire Emblem character have anything to do with how a Xenoblade character is received? Xenoblade only had *one* representative before Pyra/Mythra. And they wouldn't have complained about Sora and Dante because they ARE mainstream characters, which is the point I am making.
@@GrammerPancreas the thing is everyone says they dont like anime swordies unless they like that swordie and the hipe that sora,dante,bandana wadle dee are geting is higher that pyra's
@@Angwiser-zk7vk Because they're mainstream. The reason people do not like Pyra is because they are not. That's the Smash fanbase in a nutshell. Like, Min-Min was one of the most unique characters we've ever gotten, but people also hated her because she was also not mainstream, and was niche. The 'representation' argument has always been dumb bullshit that they use as an excuse.
The sheer quantity of Fire Emblem characters actually had a reverse effect on me as in "If this franchise has this much characters, it probably has a giant legacy and great games"
well, its been around since 1990 and has over 17 games on its belt, and even the "bad ones" are only bad in the story department, as gameplay wise every fire emblem game is good at best and decent at worst (its a nintendo game after all).
the real problem is with the western audience, who think that the franchise doesnt have enough impact to justify their representation in smash, ignoring that BOTH Smash and Fire Emblem are japanese games, and in japan Fire Emblem is as important as Zelda, the only franchise that blows both of them out of the water in terms of popularity is Dragon Quest, but since its not a Nintendo game, shouldnt be compared with other franchises in terms of content in smash.
@@ayar2
Fire Emblem isn't even remotely important or popular in Japan. The best selling pre-Awakening game was the first one that got localized, and even then, the series failed to break 1 million until Awakening. You're ignorant if you think FE was ever a major franchise of any kind in Japan prior to it nearly dying and getting Awakened with Awakening.
@@espurrseyes42 You're implying that The Blazing Blade sold the best in Japan prior to Awakening, which would be false; it only had about 250,000 copies sold there. That honor belongs to Mystery of the Emblem, which sold _more than 700,000_ copies, which (while not Mario levels of cash bringer) is still a significantly high total of sales, especially considering that it's a Japan-only release. That game is exactly what truly placed Fire Emblem as a tactical RPG royalty in Japan, until Radiant Dawn almost killed it.
@@DavidHutchinson0713
That's still MAD low (less than what Blazing and even Sacred Stones sold worldwide). Currently nowhere near enough to call it "popular" considering what the NES Final Fantasy Trio and the 1st Dragon Quest put out. "Niche" is the term you're looking for. It had a small following at best, and that's still roughly the case nowadays seeing as 3M sales pales in comparison BotW Switch selling into the 20Ms.
@@espurrseyes42 Ah, but what you fail to take into account is that Fire Emblem's _legacy_ far outweighs its sales. Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light, despite only modest sales and (according to series creator Shozou Kaga) a lower critical reception than you'd expect, became seen as _the_ game that launched the tactical RPG genre in Japan, along with Sega's Shining Force series. As such, the series has often been credited as an influence, direct or not, towards games that would come after it but localized before it, such as Tactics Ogre, Disgaea, and Final Fantasy Tactics. Indeed, the genre would have been much more different than it is today were it not for Fire Emblem's success, as many gameplay elements that would become a normality today, up to and including permadeath, were codified by the series. Additionally, Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light would also be credited as a pioneer in multimedia advertising through its use of a live-action television commercial in addition to magazine previews, which would later become commonplace with other series such as The Legend of Zelda. Thus, it is not the sales number that landed Fire Emblem a spot I video game history, but the scope of influence it truly has, one that's oft overlooked.
"I would be happy if Pyra got added as DLC"
Looks like you got your wish
The fact that right before that scene plays, Schaff is shown to have a gun up to Sakurai, it says something about her inclusion in the game ngl
Give me Rex or give me Death.
@@shadestrider1033 Then Perish
@@crazycap2945 When you stand before the gates of Xenoblade Chronicles 3, know that Tetsuya Takahashi will deny you, because you denied his Son, Rex.
Accept Rex as your Lord and Savior, as he is above all prophets, including Shulk, Shion Uzuki, and Fei Fong Wong.
funny enough he wished for Rex and Pyra but even the trailer itself explained why Rex isn't a fighter more like the equivalent of Chrom to Robin's final smash.
Everyone’s Immediate defense of the Fire Emblem Franchise :
Throwing Fates under the Bus
Fates deserves it.
@@matteoschiro9502 too be honest I don’t even think it was that bad
@@jacktwelve1710 Heck Fates Conquest is easily the best modern Fire Emblem game there is thanks to having something called good gameplay.
@@V-Jes That's debatable.
@@jacktwelve1710 gameplay wise, I actually enjoyed it. But a story is important for me in a game (unless if it’s a game like Mario where there really isn’t a story) and well...
As the one guy who really likes Fates and it’s one of his favorite FE games, yeah, Awakening (which is better) was really all we needed to represent the 3DS games. I wouldn’t put the blame entirely on Corrin, but he definitely made the situation a lot worse
And Azura would’ve been cooler anyways so
Not gonna lie, I'd take Fates over Awakening any day.
AZURA WOULD'VE BEEN SO COOL LIKE COME ON WATER-WIELDING DANCING LANCER
dude i woulda loved azura in smash ;-;
I also personally am a fan of Fates, and because of this, I think that it's an overhated game. All he did when mentioning Fates is talk about how bad it is and how Corrin is basically a sinful scourge against not just Fire Emblem but humanity as a whole, which has all been echoed countless times by the many haters of this game. I mean, it's fine if you dislike the game, but I don't think it's as bad as people constantly say it is and if anything, his opinion of it only summarizes the general reception the game has received by so many
@@matthewkuscienko4616 also, fates is not really that bad of a game. i think most of the hate comes from the implications of the game rather than its actual content (namely, old fans were afraid FE would steer away from its roots and become a glorified dating sim). now that echoes and 3H put it back on track, people are more willing to see what it did right. the plot is still a mess of missed potential, and the characters are fun, but not that interesting with only a few exceptions, but it really shines in gameplay, especially in conquest. it took the gameplay of awakening and fine tuned it with better map design and a less overpowered, yet more reliable pair up system. we should also not forget what it did to armor knights, taking an infamously terrible class (most good armored units like oswin were good despite their class, not because of it) and giving it its own niche as a wall, both by nerfing HP and evasion and giving them the wary fighter skill, which mitigated their greatest weakness
I agree that Fates wasn't a very good game, but there's at least ONE thing it gets right: its soundtrack is amazing.
We can all agree with that
It's actually the only Fire Emblem soundtrack that I listen to outside of gameplay, the Conquest tracks especially because I love the European instruments used as somebody obsessed with Medieval Europe.
But if I hear "You are the oceans grey waves" one more time I swear
Seriously that song is over played and playing all three routes you wish Azura would stop
@@ImmaLittlePip You're right, that song is the worst part of Fates' soundtrack.
Nono Fates, or more precicly conquest, is actually a good game With a trash story.
Skip all the story sequenzes and just enjoy the gameplay and Most of the supports, cause they freacking slap
schaffrillas: "In Defense of Fire Emblem in Smash"
the world: I have a few questions
schaffrillas: this is the 47th floor
How dare he defend fire emblem with a valid defense
@@MickeyA. Ikr
I believe it was Scott the Woz who once said,
“Who the f*ck is Corrin?”
If I could trade Waluigi or Rayman for Corrin I 100% would
@@IcyDiamond Rayman specifically
@@blitz4779 you really want Rayman as well? Cool!
@@IcyDiamond yeah hed be a good rep. Not my most wanted (dante) but id gladly take him
@@blitz4779 he’d definitely have a cool moveset, that’s for sure!
The description: “Schaff has a bad opinion”
I find it odd in a neutral way that this vid, the Korra vid, and the HTTYD2 vid had similar descriptions yet had pretty good like:dislike ratios. Meanwhile, some of the vids that don’t have a description like that have worse ratios.
sensei wu?
He certainly does have a bad opinion. Probably the WORST opinion ever in his videos.
@@atre5763 Please tell me you’re being sarcastic
@@barbecuebaconburger No. I'm as sincere as I can be.
@@atre5763 What about in his opinion is bad? That Fates is a bad game? Because I pretty much agree with everything else, though I do think Roy Lucina and Chrom should just be alternate skins for marth and Corrin should be cut, leaving only Marth, Ike, Robin, and Byleth with Hector has a newcomer to hype up a FE7 + FE6 remake/remaster.
Imagine telling someone in the days of Brawl that we would be getting 8 Fire Emblem Reps, 2 Street Fighter Reps, 2 Final Fantasy Reps, 2 Xenoblade Reps, Banjo & Kazzoie, Ridley, King K. Rool, and Steve from Minecraft before getting a second Sonic rep.
They wouldn’t even know what Xenoblade and Minecraft were
@@BulbaWhat98 r/whooooosh
I could get behind no second SEGA rep, but Capcom got 2 reps now.
@Duskool, 3 actually, Capcom has three, and Sega also has three (Sonic, Bayo, and Joker)
“The fuck is a MineCraft”
Awakening have 4 reps in smash
The people still havent notice kellam
Hello darkness my old friend...
LOWKEY IM-
3 reps. 2 echoes and Robin
Who's Kellam? Is that a Fire Emblem character?
I know I'm new to the franchise, but I've never heard that name before...
@@Amy_jo_ Its a character whose whole joke in the game is no one notices them or their presence despite being physically large. I always feel bad for Kellam. Though the joke gets funnier every time in game.
People: NO MORE ANIME CHARACTERS
Also people when its Sora:
Edit: Im fine with people wanting Sora in smash It just sounded kind of funny to me that people will only say yes to anime characters when its Sora
I'll be more surprised if they add Sora than excited. I'd be surprised Nintendo would dare listen to their fans for literally fucking anything.
Sora was a fan wanted for a long time i think. And fire emblem got like... 8 new characters?
@@No_Sleepee they do listen to their fans sometimes, just not the loudest ones lmao
After Ridley, K-rool, Banjo and Steve added, people still complain that Nintendo isn't listening to fan demand
I mean, lol
@@NoéMarchat-Kitahara they could add Sora, Doomguy, and Master Chief and the loud minority would still say Nintendo doesn’t listen to fans.
The problem with Corrin is that they have the personality of paste.
Like they say “I win!” And “Good.” when they win they have no character to speak of
For crying out loud, the silent protagonist has better personality than the Corn.
that's not a problem unique to corrin. most of the fire emblem reps have almost no personality. marth is like corrin if their story and character arc were actually well-written, roy is just a retread of marth (he doesn't have any of the same hotheaded personality traits he has in smash), robin is a self-insert, so that pretty much automatically damages their character since they have to be as relatable as possible, and byleth's total lack of characterization is literally a plotpoint in three houses. hell, i'd argue corrin's lack of character is more faithful to their original game than roy. people only like roy because sakurai gave him a personality, something he did not have in FE6. at least in smash, corrin is just bland and not actively hateable like they are in fates.
Corrin looks and has the personality of a rice cake
I also hate Corrin for his stupid desicions in Fire Emblem Fates and how he mostly survives due to intervention from his family or the complacency of his enemies.
Love Corrin from a gameplay perspective, but yeah... no personality to speak of.
"I hate Corrin"
"I've seen enough. I'm satisfied."
I mostly hate him for how gullible he was in Fire Emblem Fates. I've only been able to stomach the Birthright path and he straight up takes in someone who tried to kill him and survived, for the most part, by the leniency of his enemies. I've had that on my chest the past two years and I'm finally glad I got an excuse to say it.
@@FortunateSon-mo9zi Oh yeah, and the worst part about Corrin is that he's the avatar. He's supposed to be YOU. You bought a WAR game, but the avatar is this treehugging weenie. I just couldn't relate to him at all. Robin made sense as an avatar cause he's the tactician. So does Byleth cause he's the teacher, raising his units just like you are.
@@EpicEverz As an enthusiast of Medieval history, I have rarely ever seen a leader as naive and lenient as Corrin last long in wars. Honestly, I think that Corrin would get his ass handed to him if he fought a real Medieval army (unless Corrin's siblings Deus ex machina'd him out of trouble). I'm baffled that someone as flagrantly inexperienced as him had command over any military force.
@@FortunateSon-mo9zi He is worse in Revelations. Imagine this scenario:
Your army is marching through this mystical but extremely deadly land, every native of this land has been turned into monsters that have been trying to kill you and your army and you have not met a single peaceful being in your march.
Then you stumble upon a destroyed and decaying village where everyone that was once there is either a monster or a pile of ashes.
You’re about to continue until you spot a little boy who is alone in this desolate land who asks you to take him with your group. He has no recollection as to what happened here and insists you take him with you.
What do you do?
A) Stay away from him as it is most likely a trap
B) Question him further
C) Take him to a safer location but under careful watch and security in case of the odd chance that he is friendly or can help you
Or D) All of the above
If you chose any of those you must not be Corrin. What the genius tactician Corrin decides to do, is to take him with your group and venture further into enemy territory with this kid literally riding on your back.
Obviously to only Corrin’s surprise, it’s a trap that almost gets everyone killed like 3 chapters later (Luckily the only casualty is Lilith who just turns into a soul afterwards)
@@chrom-manandrobin7983 I can imagine the ghosts of Robin and Richard the Lionheart (don't ask) facepalming the whole time this is happening, Jesus, what a travesty!
Me, a Corrin main:
"It's true, but he shouldn't say it."
¿Rangod?
Same tbh
“How hard is it to add an Octoling alt”
I mean, you’re right, but at the same time, I feel like Octolings would be the perfect way to put Splatoon 2 stuff in Smash, because what we have now is exclusive to Splatoon 1, and that’s a real shame. There’s so many weapons, mechanics, locations, and music (oh GOD the music) that would be *so good* in Smash and it would be kind of a waste to make Octolings be a simple alt.
i am your local splatoon stan and i NEEEED octolings in smash
What about Splatoon 3!? hoho
@@aceofspades4782 yes
Yeah, they could use octo weapons instead, and I'd love to see a deepsea metro stage.
@@aceofspades4782 that’s what i mean. now that splatoon is getting attention again, there’s no better time to make octolings the next dlc character.
please.
as a corrin main. I have already accepted my fate
The council will decide your fate!
I Never Play Fire Emblem Fate But I Main Corrin To The Girl Corrin Not The Boy Corrin
@@SomeCrusader
I challenge my fate
@@ImmaLittlePip Your fate was actually to be let off without punishment, but since you decided to challenge it, well... expect to be shipped to the gulag within the week.
I actually love Fire Emblem Fates. And I still love Corrin. While it’s true Fates that a bad story, it had excellent gameplay between three versions and some beautiful art direction. I love all the details that is used to make Hoshido and Nohr feel unique.
“Xenoblade has one fighter-“
Pyra/Mythra: “OUT OF THE WAY”!
Now it has three lol
Call them an ardainian soldier
"Don't forget me!"
And Assassin's Creed still has zero. No, I'm not crying, it's just that *sniff* when I g-get sad *sob* water comes *sob* out of my eyes... *proceeds to cry a lot*.
@@SomeCrusader I’d rather have Rayman as a Ubisoft rep imo
@@IcyDiamond I know, it's just that I grew up playing Assassins Creed and I hate how such great characters like Ezio and Edward Kenway get pushed aside in favor of the GODDAMN PIRHANA PLANT.
“You’ve alerted the horde! ⚠️”
/// POLICE ASSAULT IN PROGRESS ///
"You may not rest now. There are *monsters* nearby."
This looks like a good place to find some ingredients.
@@Flamme-Sanabi Zombie and Enderman being in Smash makes that even better
Corrin: Exists
Schaffrillas: "And I took that personally"
Who wouldn’t take that personally!
@@maskedman4551 TBH knowing Corrin's character he would probably lecture Schaffrillas about the virtues of peace and peacefully resolving disputes for hours on end.
15:45 The thing here is that in the japanese version Male Byleth is named Beret and Female Byleth is named Bereth (written as Bereto and Beresu, respectively) so they kinda had to split the presentation in order to show them both properly, then it comes as weird in the localized version of the trailer
I'd complain about the lack of Sonic representation, but Nintendo is giving his side characters about as much spotlight as SEGA does.
None.
Imagine if we got tails as a Ken to megaman's ryu, mecha sonic as a faster wolf clone and knuckles
just add eggman already
@@Somersalsa Eggman is going to the next rep, calling it now
@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte I see the problem being more not the multiple playable characters added, since even the old sonic games were adding more characters to play as and they were fine, but the lack of polish or good gameplay. It probably would have been better to cut them if they couldn't make them play good but if they had made all of the characters unique and, what is most important, FUN it wouldn't have brought the series down. Though now the complaint of multiple characters being the problem isn't valid bc they've forced us to play as only sonic for so many games and the quality of those games are still questionable.
@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte Pathetic...
Finally, an actual argument instead of “Mario and Pokémon have more fighters so you’re wrong”
This video is the best defense of Fire Emblem characters in Smash Bros I’ve ever seen
its the dumbest argument mario and pokemon r possibly the biggest franchises in gaming and fire emblem doesnt even come close to their level of success. no hate to fire emblem jus a really stupid argument for them in the game.
@@benjaminblackmon3341 I usually tell people that when they give me that argument
@@IcyDiamond fr i dont even hate the series but i cant stand the people who blout that they like it
Honestly this is the only good defense of Fire emblem in smash that I have found
"Corrin is the Shrek the Third to Byleth's Forever After."
Lol, that's so good
Accurate to lol
Yeah that’s pretty much sums it up
Greatest analogy there is.
Speaking of Shrek The Third, I will bring up SMG4 now. So the first arc is great, just like the first movie. The second arc is great, just like the second movie(Except Shrek 2 surpasses the first). The fourth arc is great, just like the fourth movie. But, the third arc is a piece of garbage that should burn in the deepest and darkest pits of hell, just like the third movie. So Shrek 1, 2, and 4 are great while 3 is awful, and SMG4s 1st, 2nd, 4th arc is great while the 3rd arc is awful. THAT WAS THEIR MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They also could have introduced a character who appears in like, every FE game spare a few
Anna. It'd make perfect sense, just give her some reskins based on her world and she's fine.
"There are not 8 characters, there are 6"
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.
LOUDER
There may be 6 inches, but there's still 8 announcer lines.
Oh yeah, and the two echoes make it so that one single game has almost half of the Fire Emblem reps. Your point?
That just makes it worse lmao, get echoes for characters with less representatiom, like they did with samus, not marth who already had another clone.
So what you’re saying is, zelda, kirby and kid icarus deserve more reps?
Fun Fact : Byleth full name is Byleth Eisner. Eisner means ironworker in germany and iron is called Fe in periodic table. So you could say Byleth full name is Byleth Fire Emblem.
That is both interesting and funny.
Eisner was also the last name of Disney CEO Michael Eisner so Michael is Byleth's descendant
Huh neat
Haha also byleth has the crest of flames which is just synonym for fire emblem
I love how most Byleth Defenders are simps for the Fem version when funnily enough Byleth isn’t even a feminine sounding name neither is Corrin. Shit at least Robin can actually be a unisex name. Intelligent Systems isn’t so intelligent with their naming and character designs they can’t even make a good Paper Mario or give us a new Adavnce Wars, they’d rather put all their focus on Sword Emblem.
Yeesh Schaff, first Kid Icarus, now Fire Emblem?! You're talking about all my favorite video game franchises!
69th like
Now solve the Kirby Lore
@@Diego-cs2bf RPG monger did that already
@@DavidDumbedDown link?
@@DavidDumbedDown He solved the lore in the main games, but he didn’t go over the Galactic Crisis or the Parallel Works D-Mind Alliance.
God damn it, you are so right? Celica as a Robin echo would have been PERFECT
Right!? She uses magic and her sword. It could have been perfect
And better, she looks more of a waifu than corrin
The perfect FE character reveal would be Oliver just calling the entire Smash Roster ugly. Then suddenly he's stabbed with Alondite and Black Knight gets revealed
It would be a nice touch if he had a voiceclip from Monty Python and the Holy Grail saying, "'Tis but a scratch!" I know it isn't the same black knight, but it would still be funny.
The perfect FE character reveal would be none
Give us peter griffin soccer guy
And then he pulled out a fonite shotgun and game ends everyone!
Monty python and the holy grail's black knight for smash
Veteran FE fan here: I've been saying for a long time a LOT of the things in this video and it's really gratifying to finally see someone make a super well done video talking about this. In particular, the part talking about how most of the series are pre-awakening, aka classic, and yet the reps we have for those games is limited to just Marth, Roy, and Ike. Would seriously love to see a character to fill in the gap between Marth and Roy as their games are 1&3 (Edit: temporarily forgot Gaiden was FE2 oops lol), and then a jump straight to 6
Facts, and tbh I think a lot of characters could work for that purpose. Any of Alm, Celica, Sigurd, Seliph, or Leif would be awesome to see, especially Leif imo (because he’s my favorite lord lol). Beyond that, I feel Lyn or Hector is long overdue as a FE7 rep.
@@RaiBread776 they could quite literally make celica a zelda echo fighter and nobody would give a shit
@@RaiBread776 To think in an alternate dimension Sakurai chose Leif over Roy
@@SabrinaSaysStuff unfortunate, though I think a lot could still be done with Leif
I have absolute faith that they could incorporate the Light Brand’s ranged capabilities, crusader scrolls, S Drinks, or his ability to use literally every weapon except dark magic as a Master Knight into a cohesive moveset with a little bit of Sakurai magic
@@mtj8870 Celica with Zelda's magic as specials and Marth's (or rather Lucina's) swordplay for normals would be cool (WAY better than being a robin echo)
"Everyone was cool with Lucina making it in" Are you nuts?! Did you even remember that time?? She got SO MUCH HATE because FE now had more reps than Star Fox and Kirby.
...but I agree. Corrin was the mistake, all the other reps are fine. Fuck Corrin.
@@_kenemon_ Makes me sad because design/gameplay wise Corrin is awesome. Just sucks that Fates is what it is. Another commenter said they are the Silver the Hedgehog of Fire Emblem, and it's scarily accurate.
@@gunnarschlichting9886 At least Silver got to return in a better Sonic game
@@camoking3609 Kinda hard to top being in Smash Bros though. Also Fire Emblem games, other than direct sequels, almost never have returning characters anyway.
But I agree that Silver has had way better opportunities since, and has had the chance to get a better showing.
It’s funny because Starfox and Kirby had more reps in Brawl and Wolf was cut for unknown reasons.
I’ve been thinking about this, but imagine if they used Azura instead of Corrin as the FE: Fates rep. Just imagine it. It would be the only fighter to use a spear (before Byleth), she basically represents every fates game, and there’s so many creative things you can do with her water power/dancer stuff.
“You are nitpicking and biased. I win bye bye!” - Dunkey
This win is Turtle Approved
It’s “you are nitpicking and biased, I win by bye!”
@@acoolduckinabanana7274 you’re right thanks
Pretty much this in the whole video
While I despise Corrin I can't deny how fun to play they are, their kit is pretty unique.
I think the Male Corrin looks like a dork. But your right.
@@Littleton3513 thankfully Male Corrin doesn't exist
@@WilliamBeasley Yes he does
@@atre5763
No, he doesn't.
This reply was written by the Female Corrin gang.
I too despise Corrin but I would be a liar if I said their kit wasn't unique.
My main problem has always been that the weapon triangle is so deep rooted into fire emblem, yet they keep choosing the uninteresting mcs with swords and not the infinitely more interesting side characters that have lances and axes and junk
Ross for smash when?
I would've loved if Byleth played more like Pokemon Trainer in making you cycle through the 3 protagonists: one axe, one lance, one bow. That would've really changed the "anime sword person bad" feel imo
We'll they're side characters. They don't solely represent the game as the whole.
@@RamTheproDragon Yes!!!! Honestly that was my ideal for Byleth's inclusion and am still a little sad it didn't happen that way
Imagine a character where each alt was the most popular lance wielder from each game, and the same with axes.
“Three Houses is on of my favorite games and I still wanted these people to shut the hell up”
That’s basically me with the Star Wars Sequel trilogy
How so?
With the exception being three houses gets praised while the sequel trilogy gets bashed on so a good comparison would be fire emblem fates to the sequels
@@ImmaLittlePip Nintendo said that the only reason why Corrin's in Smash, is because Fates sold very well in Japan. That and Nintendo thought it would be cool to add in a Fire Emblem Manakete, which are people that Turn into Dragons.
Except the sequels are trash story wise
“Corrin is like the Shrek the third to Byleth’s Shrek forever after”
never have I agreed more with a statement in my life
Well, if you look into it, the book of Revealation says that a dragon will appear during the Tribulation and Corrin can turn into a dragon. Coincidense? I THINK NOT!
Corrin mains: "Finally someone who cares"
Schaffrillas productions: "FIRE EMBLEM IS NOT THE ENEMY! ITS CORRIN!"
Corrin mains: "why are we still here? Just to suffer?"
Yea this was me I don’t mane her but she’s my second favourite out of the fireemblem characters
Yes, and that character will be likely to disappear if there's a sequel.
the Reason for fate's sloppy story, is because the writers where trying to achieve too much with not enough time. Intelligents Systems had an idea for Fate to have three stories to appeal to everyone, but they realized that they didn't have enough writers. So they hired an outside writer, Shin Kibayashi was that writer. Nintendo wanted Shin to write the outline for each pathway, what happened instead is that Shin wrote 500 pages for each pathway. Nintendo knew this was too long so they cut the story into pieces without the writers permission and the fact the Nintendo demanded Fates come on the Fire Emblem Anniversary only made things worse. Which resulted in this hilariously mess of a story. The good news this that there is a manga based on Fates that is a little better. Its called Fire Emblem If: the Crown of Niberlung.
“Fates reuses all of Awakening’s assets and designs, adding nothing”.
Did you forget that they added feet to the designs?! Still agree with you though
They put effort into the gameplay lmao thats the difference.
Yeah, we all know why they added feet...
@@xertiio Yeah. It honestly baffles me how much Schafrilla glosses over all the gameplay improvements from Fates and sees 3H as the step forward when I'd consider 3H a step back from Fates.
@@Pik3rob honestly yes, I agree so much. The story isn’t much of a step up imo and the gameplay is like 5 paces back. I have a whole comment rant i posted in this comment section its just kinda embarrassing how underrated fates is
Ahh yes when the Awakening Models didn’t have feet and then Retarded Systems took that literally and made some characters barefoot.
It feels like Byleth, Min Min, and Pythra would’ve been base game additions if the game came out later. And honestly I’m fine with it
I still find it funny that Byleth, a character that literally has an in-lore explanation for why they're a blank slate, still has more personality than Corrin, a character who is supposed to be the emotional crux of their story
Edit: I haven't played FE: Fates since its last DLC came out, so everything in the comments is valid criticism; there's some good stuff in there
Byleth is overhated. Sure, they aren’t the best 3h character, but they still do have some character traits, like being socially awkward, hating his Ashen Demon title, and his expressing emotions arc.
Corrin’s personality is being nice and that’s it.
I mean, Corrin spend most of his/her life isolated in a tower with nothing to worry or learn about the real world, so it kinda makes sense for him/her to be "innocent", but yeah, there are some times when Corrin is downright an idiot.
I don't know about this one, Byleth's in-lore explanation is just an excuse to pull a "Joker" in the game, a blank, almost silent protagonist who just talks when they need to be badass, and are also loved by everyone for no specific reason, while Corrin just has the last one of that characteristics and at least talks in their supports (which is the reason why people hate them please shut the fuck up Corrin)
Not only do I hate Corrin and Byleth but also their voices, “Perhaps I was too harsh on Smash 4 Fox” I didn’t think there could be anything worse than Smash 4 Fox.
I mean, there's also the fact that Jeralt is rather stoic himself, and Sitri was seemingly known to also have trouble expressing emotions, so it's a case of Byleth coming out as this ultra weirdo and they're left not knowing why and just going with the flow, while having to be brought back to live via pope shenanigans after being born, so they're this half zombie?
Imo, Byleth has some interesting things about them that can be looked into despite them being mostly silent. So saying that they're blank wouldn't really be correct, I feel. Just quiet, unnaturally quiet. I mean, FEH somewhat expands upon that. I love Byleth, but they aren't perfect, at all, but some things about them kind of fly over people's heads. Granted, it'd be more of the fault of Byleth being mostly silent.
“I would love if Rex and Pyra got added as dlc” boy do I have news for you
And now Rex is the new Chrom.
LOL
"It is mii, Chrome, come give your father a hug lasoona"
"get away from m-"
Even as one of the three people who genuinely likes both fates and Corrin as a character... yeah, I could go without them being in smash.
So yes, even people who like Fates think Corrin was a bad inclusion
There were people that liked Fates?
Wtf 18 hours ago!?
I also really REALLY like fire emblem fates, but I understand that it is very controversial in the west and do see where lots of people are coming from. Even though Corrin is a very fun character to play as.
@@galaxypedestalfan I unironically love fates
@@baltoendocrine9783 patreon
Basically: Both sides are being toxic for little reason.
The Smash Fanbase in a nutshell
Me: Ugh Fates was a huge disappointment
Also me: Mains Corrin in Smash
Hell yeah! Awesome gameplay, can turn into a Dragon, what's not to like? Just don't ever learn more than the setup and broad strokes of Fates and you're good to go!
I didn’t even play Fates but Corrin is so fun to play! I love his/her specials and his/her dragon transformation.
_You Ignoramus_ 🤣
When I first got Smash I felt super weird for maining Corrin at the start. Eventually I moved on to Bowser and Mewtwo weirdly, but there was a period where I played Corrin a lot and just found it ironic.
Yeah hate the char but dragons are key to the entire franchise and we needed at least a lord with a dragonstone
If Azura was in smash the backlash wouldn’t have been that bad. She was the best character from the game by far and her spear + singing + water + dancing would have made her unique
or they could have just not added more fire emblem to begin with
@@finn488 they wanted a rep. My point is that Azura was a better choice. Better move set, more original, an additional female character, and a more distinctive design.
I so wish there was a spear fighter
I mean, Corrin is rather unique. She's one of the few FE characters that feels distinguishable even among casuals.
Why did I read this as Azula, and why would that actually be fire tho
I grew up watching my younger brother get excited over the new fighters. I was really happy for him when Lucas, Ridley, Pirhanna Plant and Banjo were announced for smash. And I will absolutely be happy for him when his favourite character, Geno, is announced too. The internet seemed happy for him too. The thing was, I wasn't as in the know as he was with Nintendo games and anticipated smash characters, so while I was happy for him, I didn't quite get the excitement. That was until my brother got me a Nintendo Switch light for my birthday, and I got Fire Emblem Three Houses for Christmas soon afterwards. I instantly fell in love with the game; it's still one of my favourite games ever. So when Byleth was announced for smash, (although deep down I would have preferred Dmitri, Edelgard or Claude) I was ecstatic. I finally got that feeling that my brother felt every time a character he loved was announced; and this time, he was happy for me. I was so excited to finally have that feeling of sharing the triumph of a character I loved getting into smash. But then I saw the reactions of angry smash fans and those stupid fucking "hoes mad" memes and it hit me; I wouldn't be able to feel that triumph. I know that it's just a game, but it really hurt.
In other words, great video, fuck Corrin.
um as someone who feels your pain about byleth (three houses made me obsessed with the franchise and is my favorite game ever), corrin is not bad gameplay wise. Its his game that's the problem. I treat smash corrin and fates corrin as 2 separate entity's. One is a fun character to play in smash, the other is from a game I despise for wasting my time. I find it despicable that there 80 motherfucking characters and people are complaining
Oh my gosh, I totally agree with you. That is a really nice story you have there; I really love Three Houses too, it was the first game I bought on the day it was released and one of the three things that made me enjoy 2019 a lot more than others. Although yeah, I would have also preferred Claude and the other two as well.
Yeah, no.
FE hate existed long before Corrin.
@@Dragonage2ftw Honestly thanks to the ruthless hell scape that calls itself the smash fanbase Fire emblems reputation will honestly never recover. It will forever be a topic of hatred and misery. And that's too bad because they are good games (with the exception of fates). Its my favorite franchise and I hate seeing it treated like this.
@@thecrimsondragon2379 Yeah. While FE does have it's flaws, it gets kind of hated by most of the Smash fan base. It's my favorite game series too btw.
This really changed my perspective on Fire Emblem in Smash! :)
Mine too, and I FINALLY figured out how echo fighters work.
"Corrin is the Shrek the Third to Byleth's Forever After."
In story? absolutely. But Conquest legit has one of the best gameplays out of all fire emblem games, and it makes me sad that gameplay style probably won't comeback due to its poor reception of a story ;-;. (which is kinda unfair, because I heard the story concept had like, 500 pages for each game, but when the game writers got a hold of it... things didn't go as nicely)
I agree. The map design is truly unique and the inclusion of the Dragon Veins adds more strategy to the game. Awakening’s gameplay was easy to abuse and cheese through the game while Conquest fixed many of the issues that plagued Awakening’s gameplay. The real reason Fates is a tragedy is that there is a fantastic story hidden beneath the layers of mediocrity and DLC.
Conquest was a lot of fun when I played it a few years after I played the other two. Great challenge and map design. A tier game gameplay wise. However, I hate that your own weapons debuff you. And Conquest’s final boss is an insane difficulty spike in an already difficult game.
I got soft locked in conquest
@@Social_Requirments How so?
@@andrewmanchiraju8005 i dont remember the chapter, but it was the one the weird fish dragon dies in. Anyways i had a unit surrounded by the hulk zombies and they werent able to move forward. I played on baby mode because of 1). It was my second fe game and 2). It was the same as my name. (Aka, a unit kept dying in a mode were they were revived the next turn and the enemies kept respawning filling the entire map.)
The biggest tragedy of fire emblem in smash is that there’s no god shattering star
Isn't that the golden deer final map song that sounds epic?
@@leemeyer9395 yes
A Grasping Truth, you mean
@@antia2363 :/
You mean Twilight of the Gods
but yeah, God Shattering Star should be there as well.
"I'd be pretty happy if rex and pyra gets added as dlc"
3 seconds later...
AHHHHH
My only problem with pyra is that she dont have a gimmick that well represent xenoblade 2 (shulk, Megaman, hero and Terry has gimmicks that well represent each one games)
But i fine with pyra. She looks... *melee flashbacks* cool
@@k0metz590 Including Rex would make them more faithful to the original game, but they still managed to faithfully portray Pyra and Mythra's relationship. That combined with using the Blade Specials as the Specials (har har) without Rex in the way I just think is a more interesting way to play them.
Fun Fact: Pyro and Mythro were only added because Schaffrilla held them at gun
Well it seems like they hatethe "Anime sword man" so even when Pyra and Mythra were added smash fan still hate them. They dont really want balance, they were hating on Terry, hero and even Joker. I just think they want a character that is popular on the US.
At the end of the day, a lot of it is a lack of vision of the bigger picture. You know, "if I don't know it then the characters sucks and no one wanted that"
Well remember that Nintendo themselves picked all these fighters.
@@bet3240 Well you're also forgetting that insertions like Steve were already planned years ago. Mojang and Nintendo had plans to include Steve back in Smash 4 but the plans fell through, so it fell on Ultimate.
Oscar Santos this theory is especially valid when considering that Banjo & Kazooie and Steve received little to no hate.
I am seriously hoping that at some point soon, DoomSlayer gets added. Both of the new Doom games are on the switch, and I bet he would be really easy and fun to implement
Schaffrillas is too good for this world
Just like my GF
She’s a great body pillow
@@Flome810 so you have a schraffilas body pillow too?
@@samhg3658 of course I’m cultured
Yes
Yeah
Being a Fates fan is rough ;-;
That said I can agree with most of this video. I do think Corrin does a good job of implementing a Manakete into a working Smash moveset since they use a weapon and can *partially* become a dragon unlike say Tiki who is either a little unarmed girl or a giant dragon with no in-between.
I agree. I think Corrin would be a decently accepted character if they hadn't been timed terribly.
Because Corrin's actually in a similar position to another fighter- Incineroar. Both are generally disliked by their communities (Incineroar for his subjectively bad design, and being annoying in competitive play, and Corrin because of his extremely annoyingly stupid decisions in the story), and also debuted in games which many people think are inferior to previous titles in the series. But incineroar is widely accepted, while Corrin is widely hated. Why? Because Incineroar was not one of four DLC, and people don't associate him with taking the spot of a character they wanted. Same thing with Byleth. People see Corrin and Byleth, and many think "but it could have been so much BETTER if Crash/Geno/Sora/ another highly requested character had been added," because the DLC have a finite number to them. We had no idea how many baseline newcomers there would be, so I think Corrin being baseline Ultimate wouldn't be seen with nearly the same negativity.
But yes, as a Corrin main I agree his moveset is very interesting. I do wish he was a stance changer though, it would be SO cool if you could switch between a human form moveset and a dragon form moveset.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi
Incineroar is liked for other reasons which I will not go into, but let's just say he's got more than one thing going for him.
You know what. More power to you. If you and many others can find mostly positive aspects in something most others see as negative, I say that's good on you. I personally don't like Corrin's inclusion very much at all, but that's just my opinion and as I would like my opinion to be respected, I will respect yours as well.
Yes, it is hard being a fan of things that are bad.
@@jonahj9519 the Reason for fate's sloppy story, is because the writers where trying to achieve too much with not enough time. Intelligents Systems had an idea for Fate to have three stories to appeal to everyone, but they realized that they didn't have enough writers. So they hired an outside writer, Shin Kibayashi was that writer. Nintendo wanted Shin to write the outline for each pathway, what happened instead is that Shin wrote 500 pages for each pathway. Nintendo knew this was too long so they cut the story into pieces without the writers permission and the fact the Nintendo demanded Fates come on the Fire Emblem Anniversary only made things worse. Which resulted in this hilariously mess of a story. The good news this that there is a manga based on Fates that is a little better. Its called Fire Emblem If: the Crown of Niberlung.
Even in a timeline where Fire Emblem doesn't exist, Smash fans would still complain about Anime swordmen somehow
Like when they complained about Hero and Sephiroth?
@@RapidsLurker15 Correct
@@RapidsLurker15 the only exceptions is that you are a fan favorite character like sephiroth or sora, still, smash fans were a bunch of selfish manchilds that only care about their favorite character to get in so that could be a reason.
@@annieskywalker9290 Why are there many Fire Emblem characters??? one very simple reason. Japan loves RPGs waaaaaaaaaaay too much. Kinda like shooters is everywhere in America.
At least corrin is representing dragons wich are a huge part in the franchise them having also a dragonstone
Yeah but then they added Tiki as an Assist trophy
I always thought that it would be so cool to have an Assassin's Creed character like Ezio Auditore or Edward Kenway being added, but instead we got a red-eyed albino that nobody outside the Fire Emblem community would even knew existed.
Sakurai would have made Corrin much more interesting by allowing them to transform by pressing down+B ...
They also represent the biggest Mary Sue and worst story of Fire Emblem...so that's another achievement...I guess? Also we have Tiki now?
We deserve a better transforming Manakete character. I'll take anyone. Tiki, Nagi, Bantu, Xane (not really a dragon shifter but he'd be a really cool concept) Idunn, Ninian, Nils, Fae, Myrrh, Kurthnaga, DHEGINSEA would be badass, Nowi, etc. Hell, throw in a laguz/beaststone user if you don't feel like adding a dragon. Got plenty of options there, too. Fire Emblem has so much potential outside of sword lords to be honest, it's kinda sad we don't get Hector Ephraim, both of which are/become classes that are not repped in Smash at all, armored units of mounted units.
Honestly, "too many sword fighters" isn't a Smash bros issue, its a Fire emblem issue because Every single protagonist has a Sword, so Fire emblem needs a protagonist that is a Pure Axe or spear user
Ephraim in Sacred stones was a spear using protagonist, and Hector was an axe user main (although he can use a sword later) so it’s not that it doesn’t happen but it’s really rare when it shouldn’t be.
@@deet917 also edelgard and dimitri (they can use swords however it's a minor weapon talent as opposed to their majors)
Smash is about bringing beloved characters together to see who comes out on top... Nobody knew Corrin when he/she were revealed and many FE3H fans preferred their house leader over Byleth.
Sword user or not, I think it's important to understand the fans. Despite how loud the crying was for Byleth's reveal, it wasn't as bad as when Corrin happened because a lot of fans got to enjoy and appreciate FE3H by that time so at least we appreciated the stage and music if not the fighter themselves.
Which... would probably play similarly in smash
@@zaidhernandez4601 Lol imagine they brought in Hector from FE only to make him a clone of Ike by instead of a sword, he's using an axe... 🤣🤣🤣
"Echoes don't make a hige difference" - Schaff
Mkleo exists.....
We couldn't get Shadow the Little Pogchamp? Or Octorok Splat2n? Or Play That Funky Music?
@@runningoncylinders3829 Tbh you could add any sonic character and are them an echo of sonic
Me, a Corrin and Byleth main : 👀
I can get that you would be a Byleth main, but Corrin... *Draws sword* That's where you f-ed up, heathen.
Me, a person who genuinely wants Alm and Celica in Smash: 🤐
as someone who can play all the fire emblem characters except robin, i can actually get behind corrins design in terms of moveset, but the combination of corrin themselves being a plastic cup as well as being an uneccessary dlc to promote the one fire emblem that no one wanted represented kinda sours the experience (as well as being low tier)
as the Delusional Prince once said:" . . . Kill every last one of them ¡¡" (the FE haters)
When a "Fire emblem: Geneology of the holy war is a narrative Masterpiece"?
I agree with you, i love fire emblem and agree with corrin.
I don't think he played it.
You don't actually play smash do u cause of all the fire emblem dlc Corrin is the only viable character other than byleth cause robbin a trash can and Ike as good a character he is (my main tbh) really is just heavy sword guy
@@kylesecord9960 Corrin sucks, both I'm smash and in Fates, while it has something more similar than a personality than Byleth, that doesn't make him/her good to be considered a decent character
Genealogy just has way too much little errors that make it step down from being a masterpiece, but it is a great game
@@Emiturbina have u ever used corrin ever
"I'd be pretty happy if Rex and Pyra were added as dlc"
Lmao
This video aged well and poorly at the same time lol
@@IcyDiamond ikr Rex got chromed 😂
@@IcyDiamond it’s me spider sketches but I changed my name
He does acknowledge it was announced when he finishes talking about iy
@@Flome810 at least Rex appears in their taunts unlike Chrom did lol
Nintendo will never represent Crash Bandicoot they will never forgive him for dissing them outside their parking lot
Or if they ad him to smash he will just spin around in all of his moves just like sonic
I've often wondered if they would utilize his wumpa bazooka from Crash 3 if he were included, could add some interesting variety. He'd probably get a belly flop in there somewhere, too.
@@majorhoolahan I always thought they’d just make all of moves spin related, kinda like what they did with sonic
Sonic disrespected Nintendo pretty hard in his heyday as well though so it ain’t impossible
If they make Crash Bandicoot that mascot costume for the Mii with the exposed face I think I'd like that more than him actually being in smash.
The fact Sonic has no one else is the worst problem. Not even an echo.
Do you really want all the sonic fandom with eyes on smash?
Mainly whenever a smash character gets in I don’t care about it’s more like “ehh, neat” I meme about with my friends but I don’t get the hate
That's actually such a healthy behavior, more people should try doing that instead of bashing the new character they didn't like lol
I vented steam off with my friends and made a few jokes about being disappointed online but in the end it’s really whatever
No character has disappointed me because I know the memes are always fresh when one comes out and honestly, funny hahas are all I need.
@@KirianLara fuck healthy behavior, tit sword is garbo
BLESSED someone said Celica being a good addition!
What about Alm... I like him...
@@Amy_jo_ how bout both in one like the ice climbers? Thatd be cool
@@lordcooler1687 sure. That way we all win
...Except for the Fire Emblem haters lol
@@Amy_jo_ eh its their lost lol
I'd ADORE more Echoes stuff (especially if it reps my boy Alm)
Why do I feel like 90% of Schaff’s content is based off his unpopular opinions
Because clickbait
@@ragingmonkeycritic That's how youtube works. Just don't lie about your content
Because he has a ton of unpopular opinions I guess lol
Honestly at least Corrin can say "Fuck You" to all sides and carve his own path unlike Byleth.
Yeah, but that's where all of his good qualities end.
Ha that's one good way to put it.
But at least Byleth choosing a side adds to the story while Corrin not choosing a side diminished it greatly
@@ImmaLittlePip Well Corrin can choose a side in Hosihido/Nohr but for simplicity sakes I'm going to say Revelations is the canon route since it makes sense.
Corrin not choosing a side adds more to his character than Byleth actually choosing a side since it shows Corrin does not want to hurt anyone or for their families to go to war. Byleth choosing a side seems to be more cold to his friends/students. Yeah you can recruit some of the students but others like Dimitri Edelgard or Claude(If you deny to spare him in BE route) have to be potentially wasted by Byleth. It just makes Byleth look like an asshole and hypocrite despite saying they "care" about their students. If there was ever a Revelations path in 3h then I would take my words back and eat them. But Byleth for me is a boring character who is there just to "pick a side" and watch the game progress.
@@ImmaLittlePip Oh but you're right about Fates story. It was bleh.. I was only really comparing characters lol.
My motto for smash reveals:
“Never have expectations”
You won’t be disappointed and will probably enjoy whatever’s revealed.
So... Don’t be biased. You do understand how that’s way easier said than done for the smash community. Hell, 9/10 of them don’t even shower.
This is what I'm doing with Smash reveals for now on. My expectations were to how with the last two reveals because I was really hoping from a franchise I care about like Crash Bandicoot, or a character from a franchise I haven't played a game from it but would still think is a cool inclusion like Rayman. Instead, I got anime. Sorry guys, I don't think anime is life, anime is love, anime is daddy. To me, anime is just that thing for people to make jokes/memes about. So for now on, I plan to lower my expectations so I don't get dissapointed as much. Besides, even if it's another anime character, there's someone out there that's happy that their waifu/husbando is now in Smash.
@@anamelessyoutuber1462 Yeah, Since Steve and Septhiroth, i'm not even going to guess who comes in because everyone just kinda comes out of nowhere.
@@anamelessyoutuber1462 Gonna be fair, Fighters Pass 2 it wasn't until Steve that I bought the pass. Since Steve was added I didn't have any more expectations.
I want to have expectations cause I think Dante/Nero from dmc or Monster Hunter would be super cool, buuuuut, there have been so many cool reveals so far I can’t be mad if they don’t get in
I thought that Byleth was fine addition to the roster. They weren’t a simple “copy and paste” fighter, and brought their own unique arsenal to the game.
Dude you literally cant fight HALF the roster as Byleth 😂 he sucks
@@realityisanillusion9165. True. They do require more strategy than most fighters, and most of their moves are high risk high reward.
The problem with byleth was that people were expecting a hype character like Dante to end with the first fighter's pass.
The exact same thing could be said about Corrin, and people still criticize them because of Fates. I just don’t like this guy’s “Corrin bad” narrative (unless he was joking and I got wooosh’d), when we could’ve gone the entire time without Roy, Lucina and Chrom, getting echoes of other more deserving franchises, and people wouldn’t be as hard on Fire Emblem as they (kind of rightfully) are now.
@@realityisanillusion9165 As a Ganon main since Brawl, I love Byleth. They're very patient and spacing-focused, with some pretty damn satisfying moves. You saw MKLeo win a tournament with them?
"Fire Emblem Thracia 776 is a Masterpiece" when
Dang, I was actually going to make a video about that a few months ago, but my mic is terrible. Also are you the same person who tells people to play Thracia on Twitter?
@@Logans_Login Everyone who's played Thracia tells people to play Thracia on Twitter lol
Rising Sunfish true
@@Logans_Login yeah thats what im known for lol, dont do it as much nowadays tho
I wouldn't call it a Masterpice honestly...
BUT IS THE SECOND BEST FE JUST BEHIND SACRED STONES.
My guy really didn’t ask for Morshu as a Zelda rep
There was also a huge coincidence with Byleth's trailer. The same day, there was supposed to be Devil May Cry news. People thought Dante was getting in because of that.
Just imagine what his move list would be
@@holloworacle3140 don't even joke about that. I've played Marvel 3, I've seen how many special moves he had. It's ridiculous
@@MrTerminator3010 To bad he doesn't have all of his abilities like the Quicksilver or Doppleganger style in Marvel 3.
Dante would obviously just be a Bayonetta echo :P
@@jeremyabbott4537 Hell no Dante and Bayonetta fighting are completely different. Plus Dante has plenty of abilities that would easy make him his own fighter.
"Celica would make a great echo to Robin"
OH MY GOD SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT!
I always thought that robins echo would be morgan but this is better representation, i’ve never played gaiden or echoes but still, I like
@@goodhelmetjunior3399 Morgan should have replaced Chrom in Robin's Final Smash.
Tiki >>>>>> Corrin
Edelgard >>>>>> Byleth
Lyn >>>>>>>> Lucina
Black Knight >>>>>>> Chrom
I woulda said zelda bc magical princesses with fire but ok
I'VE BEEN THINKING ABT CELICA FOR SO LONG AND SOMEONE SAID IT YESSSS
"He's nitpicking and biased. I won bye-bye."
-Dunkey (probably) if he saw this video.
"Blue hair. Laugh"
Proceeds to mention how Knack deserves it more.
Bruhh can't believe gex isn't in smash 🙄 this boutta be like a shooting at jerry Garcia's house 😈
@@nightmare_creature3757 lmfao I would lose it if Gex managed to somehow get revived but headed by some new comedian project who's willing to do risky jokes ... So cheesy and irrelevant
Who's dunkey and why is he mad.
revisiting this video i just gotta say
even though i DESPISE corrin’s horrible one dimensional character and fate’s story...
DAMN he’s fun to play 😔🤚
yeah...but Ike its right there so...
@@elmaionesosexo Nintendo said that the only reason why Corrin's in Smash, is because Fates sold very well in Japan. That and Nintendo thought it would be cool to add in a Fire Emblem Manakete, which are people that Turn into Dragons.
@@orangeslash1667 that makes sense but man Corrin really sucks
@@elmaionesosexo the Reason for fate's sloppy story, is because the writers where trying to achieve too much with not enough time. Intelligents Systems had an idea for Fate to have three stories to appeal to everyone, but they realized that they didn't have enough writers. So they hired an outside writer, Shin Kibayashi was that writer. Nintendo wanted Shin to write the outline for each pathway, what happened instead is that Shin wrote 500 pages for each pathway.Intelligent Systems knew this was too long so they cut the story into pieces without the writers permission and the fact the Nintendo demanded Fates come on the Fire Emblem Anniversary only made things worse. Which resulted in this hilariously mess of a story. The good news this that there is a manga based on Fates that is a little better. Its called Fire Emblem If: the Crown of Niberlung.
@@orangeslash1667 well, Fates isn't too bad, it has Carmelia in it
This is just another reason why Schaffrillas should make a video on 3 Houses