Skyward Sword, 10 Years Later - Is It Good or Nah?
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00:00 Intro
06:06 Part 1: The HD "Remake"
13:33 Part 2: The Characters Are Amazing
22:16 Part 3: Groose!!!!!
28:49 Part 4: The First Act :)
34:59 Part 5: The Second Act :/
43:35 Part 6: The Third Act :(
55:46 Conclusion: Fi's Fine Farewell
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Saying “am I late?” At the gate of time is Link becoming a Chad due to exposure to Groose
Am I the only one scared of picking mean options to npcs, like if I chose the mean option when talking to Zelda in the beginning of the game I'd feel like such a bad person, like she's so nice, and you're treating her like crap. But yeah the "am I late?" Option is the Giga Chad level option is the only correct option.
@@katedp7825 Nah you are not the only one that feels that way, plenty of people are like that.
@@katedp7825 Normally id agree, but there are literally no repercussions in this game so that I love to explore dialogue options I normally wouldn't.
@@katedp7825 My paragon is mostly an angel in ME. Although it does get annoying if my paragon gets renegade points for being sassy.
I find it funny that Groose might be the most important character in Hyrules History. He helped Link stop the imprisoned, he saved Zelda from falling to her death, Hyrule should actually be called Grooseland as he was the first to ever name it, and he planted the Deku Tree
I love Groosr he's awesome lol
Also there's the theory he started the garudo , which has way more implications than I originally thought at this point in the timeline
Deku tree?
@@bibbagamer1284 Big wise tree
Fairly certain Link planted the tree, and I don't think it was the deku tree. Goose was picturing planting stuff though so perhaps he did later down the line
If this game had voice acting it would be MANDATORY for Groose to have Kronk's voice
Absolutely
Oh yeah…
*It’s all coming together…*
@@JohnDoe-uf3ljfailboat
“Hey Peter, remember when I had a pompadour and used a catapult to defeat an old demon?”
@@liammcnicholas918 "oh my god, Lois, this is worse than that time I had to fight The Imprisoned three times!"
Something I think no one ever mentions is that Fi and Ghirahim are polar opposites in EVERY way.
Fi is the Sword of the Goddess, Ghirahim is the sword of the Demon King.
Fi is pretty much all blue, while Ghirahim wears his striking red cloak most of the time. His true form also obviously is extremely similar to her's as well.
Fi is robotic and calculated, Ghirahim is quite literally so driven by his emotions that his playfulness leads him to not killing Link immediately despite it being in his best interests.
Hell, Fi relinquishes herself into eternal slumber to the Master Sword with a heartfelt goodbye, while Ghirahim happily does the same as Demise's sword without a single line of dialogue shared between the two.
Quite frankly I think the biggest missed opportunity in Skyward Sword is that Fi and Ghirahim never interact and play off their clearly opposed positions as the blades for god-like beings, how both are doing everything for the sake of their wielders.
Now that you mention it, that probably would’ve made me like Fi, because I hate her.
I know talking shit about Navi is kind of a meme now, but I find her way less annoying than Fi.
@@DocTime56 Maybe when Nintendo does an actual remake on not last gen hardware they’ll pick up on that to install Fi’s hardware update.
@@DocTime56 Eh...Fi was improved in the remaster and really isn't a bad character, she feels endearing really.
It’s a shame Ganondorf never seems to gain the sword of Demise, every sword he wields is very obviously a different sword from it, so it feels a bit like its wasted a bit. Maybe a future game will give us something
Groose literally looks like the archetype of the perfect Chad. He even has the hair for it.
He may also apparently be the founding father of the Gerudos according to one theory.
@@nkyfong please elaborate
@@eclecticwitch4515, apparently he is the ancestor to all the Gerudos due to their red hair with the tanned skin being explained by them living in a desert. Also, the theory then goes on to say that Ganondorf exists due to Groose being jealous that Link got Zelda instead of her so apparently Demise cling onto that darkness in his heart and cursed his bloodline as well.
@@nkyfong that's certainly interesting, tho i feel the bcursed bloodline bit i feel undos Groose's character development with him stepping aside for Link....but maybe demise cursed his bloodline simply because he was involved lol
@@eclecticwitch4515, I mean, cursing the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero is random so I could see that happening.
I feel like no one is suprised that you like Ghirahim. Man’s got some strong classic Disney villain energy
Played as him in Hyrule Warriors and never looked back
Who doesn´t like him?
Better question would be who doesn't like him
@@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095 Yeah, he's a perfect villain. You both hate him but love him!
So true
I only now, years later, realise that Groose's clothes are an upside down bomb flower... I played this game when it was new. Let's add this to the list of obvious things i missed as a kid
It wasnt until BOTW that i looked back and really appreciated SS’s characters, fun character designs, and story/stakes. Like “oh shit you JUST missed zelda at the end of the temple! Better hurry to the next one!” and i was seriously like “ i better HURRY! to the NEXT!!!!”
I refuse to acknowledge that Skyward Sword is 10 years old already
Ikr:(
“Oh.” - Green Goblin (2002)
The Wii itself is 15 years.... And i was around when it was the "revolution"
ngl I actually thought Skyward Sword came out before Twilight Princess. As someone who never play the game, I can see the criticism a lot more knowing otherwise
i'm turning into dust just thinking abt it again thanks 😔
Gotta love it when Schaff says, “keyownter” instead of “counter”. Music to my ears.
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I agree with most of what was said, except with Fi. I always found Fi to be a fascinating character, but I believe it requires the player to actively seek it out. A lot of Fi’s personality only shines when you actively seek it out in optional dialogue prompts. Fi by her nature is reactionary, only speaking up in response to certain events. As such, you have to go out of your way to get to know her, like listening to her advice when analyzing enemies and NPCs, or having casual discussions about certain locations and events, like Skipper’s retreat.
Stuff like this is why Fi is my favourite companion from any gane.
Fi Is honestly really pretty and adorable. And the way she is paralleled with our favorite local demon Lord is so fun, seeing how complete opposite they are
In general, people have often found the traveling companion characters in Zelda franchises annoying. I personally have never understood that. I suppose they do interrupt the game, and perhaps that can get frustrating when done several times in succession, but honestly I always enjoyed them. It made the game feel a little less lonely, as you go through the story and have expanses of time with no other character interaction. I love Breath of the Wild, and I know I’m in the minority when I say I wouldn’t have minded a companion character for Link in the game.
I thought I was alone in that thought!
@@DoKuShOsTaR I disagree because if we were to ask who liked any of the Companions then we'd get a shit ton of people screaming MIDNA and RED LION! So no, I don't think you'd be in the minority, there just needs to be a good personality in the character. (Or just any personality lmao) Twilight princess is legit one of the most beloved games in the series and one of rhe main reasons is because of Midna alone.
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You know it never occurred to me before that Ghirahim Succeeding in his goal literally what cursed hyrule by ganon For the rest of time.
It's literally all because of this flamboyant villain.
Twilight princess being named “Tim Burtons Zelda” is probably the most accurate title for that game.
Edit: I don’t think that’s a bad thing btw I just thought it was clever that the Schraf came up with that.
And I wouldn't exactly call that a bad thing.
Yeah, Twilight Princess has such a Tim Burton vibe to it. I won't be surprised if Burton was in charge of some of the character designs, and if it was His Idea for Link to turn into a Wolf.
@@bismuth7398 fuck no twilight princess is mine and my brothers favourite Zelda. I just never thought of comparing it to Tim Burton which is really clever on the YT’s part
@@kampy6008 Okay, good. We're in agreement then.
Twilight Princess is my favorite as well. It has that perfect amount of darkness and grit to it, so that it doesn't come across as needlessly dreary or strangely light-hearted.
@@bismuth7398 I agree and I like the realism and the music and boss fights are all S tier and has some light hearted moments but they don’t sway you from the overall story and has a great villain. I think the the whole concept is almost perfect.
I wholeheartedly agree that Skyward Sword is overhated, not enough people look at it's highest highs.
@@Leunenkoenig I remember playing it in 2012 and found myself confused at how to progress, to the point of quitting it. I replayed it in 2019 and fell in love with it, partially because it's a Zelda game, but also because the inventive locations, memorable music, and legitimately nice motion controls had me immersed really well in it, even if it's far from perfect.
@@They_are_Arthur this comment inspired me to maybe give SS another try; played it on release back in 2011, then dropped it in the fire dungeon because I also got Twilight Princess and played the hell out of that; picked it back up in 2019, finished the Fire Temple, and then got stuck in the Lanayru Mining Facility (probably just a skill issue tbh) and found myself not really wanting to go on. The crazy thing is, SS is one of the only Zelda games I HAVEN’T played to the end (the other is Four Swords, could never find a copy) and I really want to try and beat it. The highs are really high, but since I only have the Wii version and I’m not shelling out another $60, the lows are low too
@@fishinwizard6 Yeah Skyward Sword is pretty hard to enjoy when you run into a string of tricky puzzles that you can't seem to understand. Definitely give it another go, it is pretty damn good in it's entirety.
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I actually DID miss this shot, but it led to one of my favorite moments in the entire game.
The air geyser in the center of the map is usually plugged by the seal stone, and activates towards the end of the battle.
I missed and knew I wouldn't be able to make it up to the top in time, so I headed for that, rode it all the way up, skydived down onto the Imprisoned's head, and took him out that way.
It was awesome.
Good job!
Coolest zelda moment ever
I did a similar thing except I was like oh no the bomb isn’t there guess I’ll just fly up there and didn’t get there barely in time lmaoooo
I always loved the idea that the gratitude crystals you could find at night were left from acts of kindness done throughout the day by the skyloft residents so everyone had a small hand in helping Batreaux become human
That's so wholesome. I love it.
This game's flaws make way more sense when you realize that Miyamoto and Aonuma butted heads during development. A lot of the game's flaws really seem like Miyamoto getting stubborn about something and the team being too tired to protest him.
The game as a whole exists because Miyamoto has a big hard-on for motion controls
Miyamoto should retire
Same story with start fox zero if i recall correctly
Miyamoto has made some bad decisions tbh. He thought Link’s crossbow training would be better than TP 2
@@zeldie2375 I'm honestly really salty about that. I would've loved a sequel to my favorite Zelda game! Too bad Miyamoto shot down everyone's idea and made a meh shooter game instead. Maybe someday we'll get a sequel to Twilight Princess.
I actually have to disagree regarding that there has never been another character like Groose in a Zelda game.
Nobody seems to remember Linebeck from Phantom Hourglass, which makes sense because this game has a lot of flaws and the majority didn't play it. Linebeck is this shady Captain who has a boat and follows you on your adventure. At first you don't trust him because he lies to you, is an absolute coward and money is the only thing important to him. Over time he begins to become a better person and in the end, when all of this come full circle, it's a really powerful moment. He also has the funniest cutscenes with Link ever!
I wish more people would know about him
Edit: fixed spelling
i remember him ! his theme is also really good ^^
@Axelle Cambournac Oh it's on of my favourite Zelda Themes ever! I love listening to it in this certain place in Spirit Tracks! ^^
Yessss!!! I wish more people talked about him and phantom hourglass as a whole 😭😭 i fucking adore the bastard
Honestly, Linebeck is one of the highlights of that game. its crazy that even the "worst" zelda games, are in overall, still really good/enjoyable games.
I immediately thought about him too! I used to love him so much, honestly one of my favorite characters from the Zelda series
Something the stuck out to me in terms of Fi's characterization was in Skipper's house during the Sand Sea quest. After you find the map you were looking for, Fi pops out and is like "Hey, look at all these portraits of dead robots who will never get to see their robot families again." and when you look around, there's a picture of a crew that has lost all but like 4 of its members, there's one of Skipper holding someone who is presumably his wife like the scene from Titanic, there are notes from Skipper's son that talk about how he can't wait for Dad to come home from work on the sandship. Given your experiences with the timeshift stones and your knowledge of the fate of the Lanayru region, it's chilling to see the effect that all of this had on the lives of these robot people who inhabited it. But while the player is left to put all of this together and to take in all of the implications, Fi basically just says "Well, we got what we came for, let's go." I feel like if there were more moments like that in the game, Fi almost would have felt sinister
Agreed, it doesn't even have to be anything over the top either. She could've simply looked around the room and said "perhaps it was for the best that Skipper couldn't follow us here"
Would’ve been cool if Lanayru could avoid that fate if somehow Link went back in time OH WAIT Link did but nothing happened there because the game did NOTHING with time travel despite glaringly obvious potential…
Groose is the best aspects of Kuzco and Kronk pushed together into one character.
Does anyone else find it endearing how Schaf always says “it runs so cyounter” every time?
For the third imprisoned fight I found a shortcut for it.
1st phase Make sure you’re 1 level above the imprisoned, hit the imprisoned with the groosenator, jump on his head and whack his spike.
2nd phase It flies now. Don’t shoot the imprisoned with the groosenator. Instead go to the middle of the sealed grounds and you’ll see an updraft. Take it and land on its head and then whack his spike.
3rd phase Don’t race up to Groose. Go to the middle of the sealed grounds and wait for the updraft. When you get the updraft land on the imprisoned’s head, whack the spike, and your done. You’ll beat it in under 5 minutes with this strat.
Ooh, I'll have to use this in my Hero mode playthrough
@@michaelbailey1242 I’m glad I could make this boss fight less frustrating for your playthrough
@@michaelbailey1242 Have fun with the Hero Mode Boss Rush. That is brutal.
[Spoiler]
Drink an Invulnerability potion before starting it, and do the Horde fight first
@@randomstuff1019 Does that somehow extend the time limit of the invulnerability potion?
@@chaoscontroller316 no, just that it allows you to ignore the mobs as much as possible and speed through that fight. In my opinion, the Horde fight is the most likely to get hit while going fast. Its also the slowest if you try not to get hit.
You can get the next fight with the potion still active too. And that's useful as you can only get hit like 4 times in all the fights
The artstyle of this game is so beautifull. I love the character design, Zelda in particular look amazing. She look like a real person, not a too-beautifull-to-be-real doll like in some other games. It make her more believable, and thus more loveable.
Tbh I find BotW Zelda better in that regard, SS Zelda's face looks really odd at times. Still love her dearly
@@sinisterstork9055 that’s what I gonna say as well. Breath of the Wild’s Zelda design and Twilight Princess’s Zelda design looks the BEST in the series and far better than skyward’s sword design. But skyward sword did make it look nice by having a “girl next door” design and look for Zelda in this game which fitted really well for its premise. But can’t be compared to BOTW and TW’s design and overall game aesthetics.
But damn, how do some of the npcs look like aliens compared to Link and Zelda.
I really don't think any Zelda is too beautiful to be real though. The older games\handheld shes just a sprite, Ocarina she seems like a standard blonde or shes in kid form, Wind waker shes a kid and that art style is cartoony anyway. Twilight princess you can argue it, but I don't think shes OVERLY beautiful. BOTW actively tries to make her realistic too.
@@Gadget-Walkmen “Girl next door” is the PERFECT definition of her character here and it works even better than BotW Zelda since this Zelda isn’t even a princess! …Well, that and “guardian angel” I guess.
I like to distribute this neat little fact:
The "imprisoned" is literally called "the banished one" in German
same in french actually! his name is simply ''the banished'' which is really neat I think!
Honestly, as much as I love every single 3D Zelda game, I think that moving forward, the franchise should be a mixture of the Breath of the Wild formula and the classic Zelda formula.
So kinda like Elden Ring?
Open world but with more focus on puzzles?
Please no! Like, ya, sure, give us an open world, but at least give us interesting dungeons and bosses. And maybe give us more than like 3 memorable characters. And I'd rather they do more with the world than dot it with hundreds of micro puzzles in the form of shrines.
@@Trithis2077 There are like a million things to do in BoTW, several massive “dungeons” ( but not really ) that had unique mechanics, villages with unique objectives or things to do, areas where there are strong creatures, lots of enemy camps ( unlike Ocarina of time which had like one enemy in its world ), a truckload of lore that pays homage to most of 3D Zelda ( if you seek it out, you can find it ), can’t argue with the characters, and bosses though
@@mr.preston1632 Honestly I think that's why BotW falls flat for me. It's the all too common pit fall of "Jack of all trades, but master of none." Sure there are hundreds if not literally thousands of things to do, but none of them live up to what previous 3D Zelda games did. Now, that's not to say I didn't enjoy it or there weren't things I think they should carry over into fututure games, but overall I would much prefer a return to form.
I mean, honestly the more I think about it, it's really just the dungeons and shrines I have a problem with. I actually quite liked the story of BotW and AoC actually ended up being one of my favorite Zelda games just because of said story. But story and a sandbox world can only get you so far. The "dungeons" were only really "unique" in the fact that you moved a different part of the beast. That's a far cry from the differences between dungeons in previous games. For example, Majora's mask. The first dungeon, you're working to heal a sick swamp and when you do, more of the dungeon opens up. The next dungeon though, it all revolves around climbing this massive tower and adjusting the column in the center to get to different parts of the dungeon (and that's not even addressing the aesthetic differences).
Not to mention all the unique items you got throughout dungeons. I mean, how cool would it be if in Vah Medoh you got something similar to the dominion Rod in Twilight Princess. Then during the windblight fight there's a big thunderstorm. You have to use the dominion rod to take control of the big piller like statues and move them close to windblight to direct the lightning onto him while also moving the statues to block Windblight's attacks from hitting you.
I think with BotW, the four beasts just felt too similar that they should've been a single dungeon, while the shrines felt too plentiful that they almost became an annoyance eventually. It's strange because I think if those blessing shrines (where the challenge is in the overworld so you just walk into the shrine and complete it) just ended in the overworld with a heart piece or something I would've enjoyed them more. Just the fact that it has you go down into a shrine every single time, it started to feel stale.
TL;DR: Give me dungeons that truly feel different from each other, cool items that give a sense of progression, and overworld rewards like heart pieces.
I know a lot of people dislike this game, but Skyward Sword is unironically my favorite Zelda game
It has alot of the best elements imo, the music, art style and story are the best in the series Imo
People didn't like it because it didn't ran well. The controls felt off in the original release and the game seemed to have too many easy win buttons.
There is a difference between a vocal minority (like Final Fantasy XIII) not liking it but it ultimately being won over by the majority and what happened with Skyward Sword where it was too divisive to make a proper impact
You're weird
I feel the controls held it back the most, aside from that, I honestly enjoyed it pretty well
@@Gackt4awesome Also the content issues itself.
Honestly, seeing how Groose was handled in Skyward Sword has only made me more bitter about how Revali was handled in Age of Calamity.
We could have gotten the second coming of Groose in bird form, only for the developers of AoC to throw away all the depth Revali got from Champion's Ballad in favor of making him regress into an even bigger asshole to Link for no apparent reason and it genuinely *sucks*. I want my bird man Groose goddammit.
Dude my wife and I love playing AoC and we never touch Revali unless we have to. He’s absolutely insufferable. We changed the voices to Japanese purely because we couldn’t stand how up his own ass he sounds. Like why does anyone want him in the group?
It’s a travesty
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access also Revali sucks to play as. Sidon, Urbosa, and of course Link were way more fun to play as
I feel like AoC could have expanded more on Revali's character that was established in his diary entries from botw. To an extent I think botw could've done well with hinting a bit more on why other races seemed to think Hylians only cared for themselves.
Revali being a rival and dickhead from miscommunication/misunderstanding of Link might not jive with a lot of people but it makes a lot more sense than him seemingly disliking Link for no reason.
This is why I kinda hate that the champion's ballads only had one cutscene per champion and it was with Zelda only. I know the main game had cutscenes where the champion's interacted with Link but the DLC would've been perfect to show a more grounded relationship with Link.
Like show us the scene revali wrote about in his diary!! Show us how he tried to actually talk to Link rather than talk down at him. Like there are snippets of Revali who's less of a pompous dickhead and moreso someone who wants to be admired and loved by all.
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access if you ever feel like desensitizing yourself to him, you should find the voice actors old tumblr. He use to do a bunch of meme requests and funny voicelines in character after botw came out lol
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access TL;DR, Falco’s better
Fi’s farewell always makes me laugh because as I was beating the game and watching the final cutscenes, my dad was in the room waiting for me to finish so he could play madden and just making funny coments the whole time
Being new to Zelda and only having played BOTW before, I loved this game SO much. I finished it in a couple days after it came out remastered on switch and then replayed it a few times the past couple months. Hearing that this game isn't a favourite amongst the community makes me so excited to get my hands on the more popular releases :D
I've been a fan of the games for almost a decade myself, but mostly just from a viewer's point of view. I've never had the money to play the games myself, and I've always relied on watching my friends play irl or watch other people online. I fell in love with skyward sword first time I ever saw with it's soundtrack, story and characters, and never could fathom why so many people dislike the game. Turns out a lot of it was due to the original controls, which is fair, but it still saddens me that one of my favourite games in existence has more of a negative connotation in a lot of places. I'm so glad for the remake for the switch, as I feel like many old and new zelda fans found an appreciation for it that might not have been there before.
As for the other games, can't wait for you to experience them! Gameplay-wise I can't say much in terms of personal experience, but I can say for sure that there aren't a lot of zelda games where I haven't enjoyed watching people play them. :)
It's been out for only 5 months! Did you play 1 whole playthrough each month? thats a lot!
@@SuperRitz44 I finished it within a week when I first got it!! I was on break so I pretty much played nonstop for like five days hahahaha. Then I played twice more and now I'm in the middle of a fourth play through! I really need Nintendo to release BOTW2 hahaha
I will say that Breath of the Wild and Skyward Sword have the most interesting combat in the series by a significant margin, that's not to say any Zelda game has bad combat, but those two just have far more depth to their combat systems, besides that you're in for quite the treat with the others (just don't play Ocarina of Time on Nintendo Switch Online unless it gets patched or something, doesn't work quite right as of now)
Uhh, nice profile picture
In terms of art style and characterization, this is honestly the Zelda gamythat caught my interest the most.
Imo the artsyle looks ugly and dry
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@@theminecraft2516 What if I told you - Brace yourself - that some people have other opinions than yours ? Crazy I know, take a seat.
@@tritonis54 “imo” stands for “in my opinion”
@@theminecraft2516 Oh, sorry, I have read it as lmao ^^'
I can’t ignore the fact that I do feel some type of way whenever I get to that ending with Fi. Like it’s not overstated at all, the game isn’t obnoxious about it, acting like you were suppose care about her that much. Even Link’s reaction to it is pretty mild, especially compared to how much he lets on with Zelda, he’s more hesitant about it than anything and when she finally does say goodbye he doesn’t look melancholy about it, he seems pretty at peace with the whole thing (like compare that to him kicking, screaming and crying when Zelda seals herself away, it’s clearly not the same deal). But that goodbye seems more like a recognition that unlike the Master Sword, Fi wasn’t just some Helpy Helperton tool to be used and put away (kind of like how Zelda says the goddess used him), you did genuinely share some beautiful moments with her that call to attention something that’s perhaps not spoken about enough, which is that despite the heaviness of why you’re doing this, what Link’s objective and motivations are, along the journey there was this persistent, whimsical and adventurous tone to it all as you explore this gorgeous world below the clouds, which is very much analogous to Link’s journey. It’s a coming of age, you broaden your horizons and discover what the world has to offer, good and bad, outside of the bubble/floating town in the sky you exist in as a child. Fi facilitated that journey, she helped him grow up, she was there as a crutch, stopping him from getting lost and showing him the way forward. It’s no empathetic connection, but it’s an attachment and when she goes away, Link wouldn’t be human if he didn’t react to it. And to see that you’re not just leaving someTHING behind before truly moving into adulthood, but leaving someONE behind, someone who then has to enter an eternal sleep, essentially death, and makes sense of such a conflicting feeling by expressing happiness and gratitude for the time she spent with you despite never asking a thing for herself. That’s not without meaning and while it could have been developed more throughout the course of the game, it works fine and doesn’t really re-contextualize how you’re supposed to feel playing this game, it’s a fun, marvelous adventure, it just happens to have real stakes. And on series level, it adds a lot character to the Master Sword, I mean literally, there’s a soul inside that sword that can’t come out again. Ever. And with Breath of the Wild, it shows that every time someone picked up that sword, someone’s in there helping, someone that won’t ever get to relive that experience she had like a gazillion years ago, maybe she’s even forgotten about all that over the millenia, but she’s carrying out that same mission, over and over again forever. Picking up that sword has a level of meaning now that it never did before and will always have. A thread tying the whole series together in a way that contrasts the eternal curse of Demise that Hyrule is subject to and can never escape.
As we see in that last memory in Breath of the Wild, the curse that is Ganon can ruin everything, bring the world to disaster and cause untold pain and suffering, but in the same vein, there’s also that little flicker in this old sword that comes back every time to help out a bit and it always seems to be just enough.
I think the third act of the game was supposed to be in the past at first. It would explain a few weird scenaristic decisions, for instance the coldness of the water dragon when you meet her.
The thing is, going back to the past would've justified some of the backtracking, like going back to Skyview Temple and even fighting the Lanayru Mining Facility boss again.
I understand why people hate the tadtones, but I love them honestly. Water swimming no matter how tedious is always my favourite thing.
I actually didn't know that people didn't like the tadtones. I thought that part of the game was rad
I remember liking the pretty colors of the music notes as basic as that might sound. I was like 12 when I first played I think.
Finally someone else who kinda likes the tadtones!
I don't mind the Tadtones either, it's actually a cute quest, I just don't like dealing with the Imprisoned before hand.
I also enjoyed the tad tones, I had fun swimming in a big forest.
You forgot to mention the most important change of all in the remake: There’s no back in time!
Seriously though, the Any% Record in the Wii version by gymnast86 is by far my favourite speedrun. It is just 70 minutes of the runner walking around, talking to people, dying, walking around on the title screen, saving, and assuring you that it will all make sense. Then at some point they announce that what they did saved about 3 hours before casually going into the horde fight and defeating Demise. Amazing. Only thing that could make it better if it were also one the runs where they defeat the final boss blindfolded.
Love gym and his playthroughs
You're actually not mispronouncing Fi at all. In Japanese, her name's written as ファイ, which spells "Fai" (rhymes with sky).
It's a phonetic writing system too, so there's zero ambiguity
Skyward Sword is one of the few Zelda titles to make me bawl my eyes out at the climax. The game really gets you invested in Link and Zelda’s relationship through the game and you can just _feel_ Link’s heartbreak during her sacrifice. I think this has the best ZeLink relationship in the entire franchise, point blank. And Groose is freaking hilarious! I love his developing friendship with the Old Woman and his grief when she disappeared really hurt.
This game is freaking cool, man. The characters and story beats really make up for some of the infuriating backtracking elements.
44:19 Alright, if there's anyone still out there playing the original Skyward Sword in 2021, I'm gonna give a PSA on this tidbit. You technically *can* go do the Lanayru Gorge section first if you know what to avoid, because doing Lanayru's section first doesn't lock your save file, it's actually talking to the Goron archeologist in the cave after you finish Lanayru's quest that locks your save file.
I think I heard somewhere that they actually originally intended the third act to be linear like the other two acts, but I guess they decided it would be cooler if you could do them in any order (which they were right.)
Unfortunately, with that, they also forgot to fix the event flag where the Goron archeologist greeting you locks you into Lanayru's quest and out of the other two quests (since it would be a VERY unpleasant surprise to dip into the Sealed Grounds real quick only to be greeted by The Imprisoned again). So, if you talk to the Goron again, it triggers the same flag that locks you into Lanayru's quest, but you can't complete it since, well, you already completed it, essentially softlocking you into this part of the story.
TL,DR: You're totally free to do Lanayru's part first and get the Hylian Shield, only if you LEAVE IMMEDIATELY AND GO TO EITHER FARON OR ELDIN. No matter how much you want to say hi, DO NOT TALK TO THE GORON, JUST USE THE CONVENIENT BIRD STATUE AND GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
Oh, and another tip for the Boss Rush (in case you don't already know):
-Buy a Guardian Potion in Skyloft.
-Upgrade it to a Guardian Potion+.
-Make sure the Potion Medal is in your adventure pouch. (If you can't find it, hit the Goddess Cube in Skipper's Retreat in the Lanayru Sand Sea.)
-Drink the potion right before you start the Boss Rush.
Congratulations, you're now invincible for the first 9 minutes of the Boss Rush. I suggest you start with the second Imprisoned battle, or whatever battle you have the most trouble with.
Isn't the patch for this still softlock still available though?
@@mocha8414 It should be if the Wii Shop channel hasn't shut down. Then again, I haven't exactly touched my Wii recently. ^^;
@@phantom1053 youtube keeps eating my replies so that's fun. Unless I just uknowingly sent three of them. Anyway after searching a bit apparently the Save Data patch is one of the only things still available for download after the Wii Shop Channel got nuked, along with the WiiU Transfer Tool. Either way yours is really useful info for a softlock that's actually kinda silly tbh
@@mocha8414 You're good, no worries, but yeah, that's pretty good to know, actually. Of course, if you can't connect the Wii to the internet, that's also good to know. (Though, at this point, I'm pretty sure most people have internet access in their homes...)
Good thing to keep in mind is that Skyward Sword *was* supposed to be on the same level as Breath of the Wild. The game unfortunately suffered troubled development, but in playing Breath of the Wild for the first time, I could see the lineage there. There is a *lot* wrong with Skyward that frustrates me but at the same time, that game had to come first so we could even have the masterpiece that came after. I think it's owed some respect for that alone even if someone dislikes literally anything else about Skyward.
For some reason, I always liked The Imprisoned. Mainly the second fight. But The Imprisoned as a whole felt like a race against time, knowing that the seal was weakening and he could come back at any time. The tadtone section was great too, I loved the flood. I agree about the water dragon though
I think one thing everyone can agree upon is that Link in SS shows much more emotion than in BotW or TotK which in my eyes makes him more loveable and relatable.
Spirit Tracks is criminally underrated
Ok.
Spirit Tracks is a phenomenal game that deserves more love than it gets.
I adore the soundtrack, but personally really did not like the game mechanics. It really needed more exploration to feel like a complete game, imo. It was way too easy as well, I think I finished it the day I got it without dying once and felt kind of cheated after really loving Phantom Hourglass.
No it isn't I think it's rated appropriately.Everything was pretty forgettable and the whole on rails train gameplay was awful.I will take the loftwing over the shitty train any day. I have replayed every Zelda game multiple times even phantom hourglass,but I have zero desire to ever replay Spirit Tracks.
I never tried it. I didn’t want a full touch Zelda game. Should I though? I have a 2DS XL
Is it a one hour Schaffrilas video about something I've never heard of?
Yes.
Am I still gonna watch all of it? *Yes.*
You should really give the Zelda games a try, they're a landmark of video games.
Fi’s name pronunciation is the “gif or jif” of the Zelda fandom
Groose is one of those characters you hate as a kid, but ends up being your favorite character when you're older.
This is probably the best Skyward Sword review I’ve seen on RUclips. I’m in the same boat as you, this was my first Zelda and I have great memories of this game, but it’s impossible to ignore its flaws. However a lot of people either let the flaws overshadow the great moments like the dungeons & characters (the Groose is loose!) or they try to justify all of the bad elements like Fi & the backtracking. I think for me personally the high points & nostalgic memories will always make this one of my favorite Zeldas, but this really does represent the best & worst of the series.
Also I like the tadtones so hah my opinion is invalid!
Everytime schaff reviews anything for 30 minutes or more it automatically becomes the best review of that thing so no surprise really
If you want to see another nice review about Skyward Sword (well kinda) watch Nerrel's video about BotW/SS!
It's great too.
I played almost all of the 2D games and TP before SS released, still SS was my favorite. It was gorgeous, the characters had style and were super expressive, I'll agree that some parts were tedious, but other than that I thought it was near perfect :)
I'm in the same boat. This was also my first zelda game and Love it for getting me into the series. However, whenever I want to pick up a Zelda game, I always go to Twilight Princess
The backtracking was not a flaw, it was an intentional design decision because this game was clearly a Metroidvania mixed with Zelda.
I never had an issue with the motion controls. They’ve always been straightforward to me so I guess I’ve never understood while people dislike them so much, but to each his own.
I personally love this game. I always come back to it every now and then and still enjoy it as much as I did the first time.
my single issue with the motion controls was the awful recalibration on the wii version, abruptly stopping your playthrough to wait for (what felt like) a minute or longer to play the game as intended was mildly infuriating to me, as I only got to play the game at a friend's house about every other day, time is precious, and staring at a motion-control loading screen is not a good use of it. The Switch version is so much better with the simple button-press instant recalibration.
The only problem I had was that if there was one angle off setting it up, it wouldn’t connect to the wii.
But in practice while playing, I never had a problem with it. I’m a very sense based person so I was always able to use it without any problems.
The game definitely played better with the Wii U's sensor bar than with the Wii's
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 I think not everyone realized you were supposed to use the Sensor Bar on the Wii. I personally didn't know people did it without them.
Same, I never had a issue. Makes me feel like me and other people play the motion controls differently.
I loved using the bow like this, it felt so fun.
Here’s how I’d restructure the Imprisoned fights:
-Make him slower. The sealed grounds are entirely too small for him to move that fast.
-Roll all three of his fights into a single 3 stage fight, with the battle progressing each time you shove the spike down. First one plays out identical to the first fight, with an added line from Groose saying he’s got something that’ll help, but it needs some finishing touches to justify why you don’t use the Groosenator here. The second stage he starts climbing the pit, but the Groosenator is ready. Shoot him down with it and he falls all the way down, doing visible damage to the ground on impact. Third stage he starts flying but his fall at the end of the second stage opened up a super strong updraft. Stun him with the Groosenator and use the updraft to skydive onto his head, hammer in the spike for the final time and end the fight.
-Have this fight take place immediately after you return from your conversation with Zelda in the past. Impa gives some exposition lines about how the seal has finally weakened enough for Demise to escape in his bound form, and he’ll regain his true form if he is allowed to reach the temple and consume Zelda. At the end of the fight, Impa explains that the seal you just restored isn’t going to last forever, and you need to find the triforce before it breaks again.
Admittedly, this is a bit of a rough fix, since I came up with it in about 5 minutes. But if implemented properly, these changes can make the Imprisoned fight a competent introduction to the Song of the Hero instead of the insufferable, repetitive rage fest that it ended up being.
Link: "how many times do I have to fight The Imprisoned?"
The Imprisoned: "how many breads have you eaten in your life?"
The "Zelda Cycle" applies to alot of things actually. thats basically what happens every starwars movie. there HAS to be and official name for that.
I like to call that the, Quality with age cycle
They say hindsight is 20/20, and these are prime examples
I had a similar cycle with RaCF games. Hated them as a kid, but as worse games came out and time went by. The one I hated the most out the three (Crack in Time) became one my favorites in the entire franchise. I took so many things these games did ir didn't butcher for granted lol
The new release effect. I think it fits,with every new release,people appreciate the older ones more
I will forever defend Skyward Sword!! Not my favorite Zelda game but I have so much fun playing it and I adore the story, so yeah good game
Same, I feel like there is so much competition over which Zelda game is the 'best', that people forget that you can still love Skyward Sword even if it isn't your favourite. I'll defend Skyward Sword to my last breath, despite it not being my favourite either. There is just so much to love about it.
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@@Kenerdy_ L as in lame or love?
@@Kenerdy_ schraf has that pfp for his Twitter lmao
The trauma the silent realms gave me will always remain. I was only 11 when I first played Skyward Sword and I remember how my heart POUNDED when the guards were coming after me. So good. I still really love this game and I personally prefer the Wii version. I never really had an issue with the motion controls tbh
This is a pretty minor point, but the fire dragon doesn't just have a random 'explosion of power', he intentionally sets off the volcano because of the increased monster presence.
I just wanted to say, Skyward Sword HD is not a remake, it's a remaster. It's entirely the same game with better resolution and some quality of life changes. A remake is basically entirely updating a game from the ground up like Crash N Sane Trilogy or Resident Evil 2 Remake.
He didn't even mention that it runs in 60 fps.
@@nworder4life that is a tiny change that really pulls it all together
I disagree about the Tadtone segment. It was my favorite bit of the game. Seeing the Faron Woods underwater was amazing, and flying around among the trees was dreamlike
Yes! 22 people disagree about the tad tone segment being bad.
I agree about the underwater faron forest . Totally awesome as far as visual aesthetic and environmental design. Skyward sword actually excelled in this department in general-for the most part. But the gameplay itself leaves a lot to be desired for me.
Shit was big cheeks hated it hated most of the 3rd act shit
"It's not as consistent, but its highs are even greater than the highs of both of those games" this perfectly describes it for me
Its very odd how some of my favorite moments are moments alot of people hate.
I personally love levias and the underwater faron woods(gives groose another cool use)
The fire sanctuary is also one of my personal favorite dungeons due to asthetics, music, the mogma story about the dragon and me personally likeing fire temples.
Your review absolutely hit it on the mark though. This game has the highest highs and lowest lows but is worth getting through ti experience some of the best moments zelda has to offer
I liked the underwater woods. Levias is neat, honestly my only real issue surrounding him is I just wish we had more sky content
Growing up I only ever had access to Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword. TP is definitely my favorite zelda game overall, but SS is still a close second. I've replayed and put so many hours into both games it's honestly appalling lol
If you love them both, it would definitely be worth picking up a copy of Wind Waker someday. Those three were my bread and butter growing up. :)
@@fiddleronthenet3360 oof I'd love too but I don't have any consoles that can play it. Kinda been praying that Nintendo might bring it over to the switch in the future.
As someone who was an actual toddler when this game came out, it’s really interesting to hear about what it’s like
that means currently you'd be somewhere around my age when i first played it, and well now you can get it in HD. it's just sweet to think about
I'm honestly pretty sad Nintendo keeps behind the scenes stuff super secret. Like I think it would be really fascinating to learn whats up with some of stuff in Zelda games.
Like did they have to scrap multiple years worth of work and go to different direction? Were they operating under severe crunch and were super exhausted? Did some sort of executive meddling happen and they had to double length of game by backtracking?
I still like the theory that Groose went out there, started a family and eventually his descendants became the Gerudo.
“Groose rebooted The Owl House for an extended season 3”
Haha, awesome quote but OMG I wish!!! 😂😭
I'm glad to that the Zelda Cycle has come around to favour Skyward Sword a little more. Nerrel said it best, in his double review of Skyward Sword & BotW. BotW lacks the Zelda spice that Skyward Sword could provide, to make it just a little bit better.
Lol not even close. BOTW doesn’t “lack” anything at all as a Zelda game as it does EVERYTHING better than Skyward Sword has had and even more so in every storytelling standpoint. There was no “Zelda spice” that was lacked at all in Breath of the Wild at all.
Jeez, it’s baffling on how continuously bad all your comments truly are.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Right, what about those perfect dungeons and very tough bosses and empty feeling you have after completing the whole game, a hybrid of Skyward Sword with the dungeons, good characters, and decent bosses, but with Botw because it isn't repetitive and it's open world, and the lore is good and leaves you thinking. If Botw's story and dungeons were sauces, they'd be salt water, dumb, literally more useless than fresh water.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Personally, I found botw very boring.
@@Gadget-Walkmen botw sucks cock
@@RampageArby you’re so brave
Yees! Ghirahim and Groose getting the love the two deserve!
“Unnecessary feelings” Schaff you sly dog, it’s almost Christmas you can’t do this
I was so happy to see you make so many of your points, but then I was devastated that you completely skipped over my favourite scene in the game, which is also my favourite scene in the series. When the dragons come together to perform the song parts that you had collected, and it's revealed the actually the birth of that iconic Legend of Zelda theme, I remember the chills I had, and the tears, and how overwhelmingly moved I was. I thought it was fucking GLORIOUS. It honestly is one of those truly special moments that will probably resonate with me for the rest of my life. But I suppose since you had never played a Zelda game before, that breathtaking fanservice moment wouldn't mean anything to you
this is also my favorite moment in the game! it's so beautifully orchestrated
I played skyward sword when I was 13. I loved it like almost nothing else. I listed to the orchestral Zelda recons that came with the deluxe version for years. I genuinely liked Fi. I will also never replay it, unlike every other Zelda game.
When I Was Like 5 Years Old. Something About Skyward Sword Cought To Me.
The Zelda Cycle is still alive and well. Breath of the Wild delayed the wheel's turn, but vocal netizens eventually turned on it while praising Skyward Sword as the last "true" Zelda. I noticed this well before the HD version was announced.
Yeah people are saying BOTW is a bad game because the open world is “bland and empty” and that the lack of traditional dungeons ruin the game
@@Crafty_boy70 really? I think it's trash because it throws the lore of the hylian shield out the window because it breaks now. Simple rule is to never disobey the rules of your universe but they had to have the dumbest mechanic apply to everything so the game takes a big hit for it.
@@stevengull6703 Wait it can break?
@@Crafty_boy70 yup. You get 3 charges of it I think so it breaks 3 times before its gone PERMANENTLY.
@@stevengull6703 So THAT'S why you're able to buy more
I probably could go on a long tangent about Skyward Sword being one of my first video games, and all of the memories I have with it, but something I always come back to is how I’m the beginning sequence when you talk to Groose for the first time, I picked “nice hair” because I thought I would be complimenting him, but then he got mad at me and I was super distressed
I always thought groose was supposed to be ganondorf. There are no gerudo in this game yet the groose shares many of their features. I think his descendants went on to be the gerudo, and the male gerudo born every hundred years is groose' counterpart to link and Zelda. But in oot the male gerudo was cursed with the malice of demise and became Ganondorf.
Ganondorf is even kind of a big arrogant jock just like groose', only cursed and evil. In botw 2 we must free our boy.
love this headcanon
@@avaliantsoul5408 I thought this was canon
Wait how have I never realized this
Ganondorf isn't a jock at all though, he is the fattest creature in the Zelda franchise
@@katacutie he only got fat when he got old. All jocks get fat when they're old
No, but what you don’t realize is that Flint Cragley is un-ironically the greatest Paper Mario character of all time, and 100% deserved that trophy
If I remember correctly, the beetle was available during the horde battle in the Wii version, but it'd automatically time out once your got close to girahim.
That's a shame. Would've been hysterical to see an animation of Ghirahim giving the beetle a sassy backhand if it gets too close.
Really happy you gave Chuggaaconroy a shoutout at the beginning. I started liking Nintendo games, products, and platforms even more cause of him.
They're not one to one, but most similar to Groose in the entire series is Linebeck from Phantom Hourglass. Similar arcs, both genuinely entertaining assholes, and both have GREAT themes.
When a man goes insane and talks about a Zelda game with motion controls for 1 hour and 3 minutes straight.
I think what saves Fi's farewell for me after all these years is the fact she does get what she wanted, a reunion with Link in another life. Whether or not she's fully conscious of it she gets to reunite with Link time and again always aiding him in his fight against Evil. While she may be lost to the ages and the seas in one timeline, in the other two she still lives on in that role. And even reawakens just enough to save Link's life twice in BotW/TotK
"Visceral rush" is the perfect way to describe the Koloktos and Ghirahim fights using the motion controls. They were pure bliss
Also yeah the characters in TP are so dull compared to how vibrant, fun and likeable they are in SS. Zelda rules, Groose is Groose, Ghirhim is so fun, I always cry when Fi leaves, Impa is the heart of the game, everyone in town is so memorable. Man I love them
Also how is there NO region called motherfucking Grooseland in botw????? The nerve, the disrespect I swear. I felt like Aonuma spat in my face when I realized there was no Grooseland where everyone has a grandious pompadour
While Breath of the Wild is easily my favorite, but Skyward Sword is easily the most non-stop fun I’ve had playing a game in a long time.
"I got into the series through Chuggaaconroys let's plays of Wind Waker-" SAME
I think the reason I really like Fi is because I first played the game when I was so young, I was lost all the time and rarely knew what to do, so I needed her help every other minute lol. By the end I had become super attached to her, even more so than to Navi or Midna.
something else I think this game really nails is impact, specifically in the sound effects. they use a lot of grand sounding or deep and encroaching sounds and the occasional echo to really sell you on the impact, like the sound when demise challenges you, his and the imprisoned's voice and lurching sound clips, the breathing sounds of levias, the sound effects when you repeatedly hit an enemy, a lot of Link's voice clips sound very intense, everything has a sense of grandness to it when it comes to the sound effects, and the visuals help with this, with actual clever uses of motion blur and some neat camera tricks to sell grandeur. I agree with your view of the story, but this stuff keeps the feel of the game pretty epic to me.
Skyward Sword is a game with Fantastic Highs and Horrible lows.
7/10 good game, but for a series so amazing (especially for the 3D titles) a 7 is not good enough.
I will give SS this. The OST is probably the best on the series
I can't believe you didn't talk about the demise fight in master mode, where you have to parry every move demise throughs at you
Man, I feel so much Nostalgia watching Skyward Sword footage. I haven't played the game since I was 8 (holy shit, it's been 10 years) but I remember having fun playing the games story and backstory, all while watching my older brother get further into the progress (He never finished the game). I hope there's a sale on Skyward Sword so I can see Groose's beautiful mustard lips!
They could have addressed some of the issues with Fi and the barren sky by taking the opportunity to toss in a few new islands and NPCs to create an optional quest chain where Fi's character growth could be explored throughout the course of the game. Maybe also make a dungeon, either puzzle or gauntlet, and possibly with a Silent Realm segment, to go with it.
It'll always be top 3 in my heart ❤
I love Skyward Sword. It has MANY problems, and it's far from my favorite Zelda game, but i still love it.
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The "At least it can't get any worse," then showing the colorful music score, playing the music, and having the fucking Whiplash cut immediately after that is
PRIME. EDITING. COMEDY.
Holy shit. I'm dying.
If Skyward Sword had voice acting Groose would definitely be voiced by Patrick Warburton
Your commentary on the “3 act decline” perfectly describes my experience with the game. I played the HD version first so I wasn’t bogged down too much by the forced interruptions and control issues everyone complains about, but I still noticed some big structural issues in the core game that can’t be fixed by small tweaks. It just kind of devolves as it goes on, nothing big happens to change anything up or unlock anything cool, outside some cool story moments and great dungeons it feels like the narrative deescalates as you head towards the end.
I would like to say this was a fantastic review. I found myself agreeing with alot of your thoughts, both the strengths and flaws. I personally thought the original was amazing for me, and everytime I play it it honestly gets better, although my most recent experience felt WAY too easy to be honest... In any case I love this game, this video solidified that love, and I thank you for taking the time to construct this.
Also, a huge tip for Imprisoned 2 and 3 if you have trouble in the comments, you can use your aarows to shoot the toes off of this boss, AND if you upgrade fully they will ONE SHOT toes at full charge. Considering how tedious he is to fight up close, if you get ahead and shoot him it's much more bare able. Still agree the execution of this fight the third time was terrible and recycling a boss 3 times like this was embarrassing. They did this with Ghirahim too, but I think we all agree each Ghirahim fight was fresh and engaging.
Ghirahim isn’t just my favorite zelda villain. He’s my favorite video game character. I’m glad everyone else likes him, too!
I wasnt expecting an ace attorney reference during fis farewell, you caught me off guard. Good job fine sir
I never played Skyward Sword back in the day but I played it for the first time with HD and honestly I fell in love in the game. It's definitely my second favorite game in the series and one of my favorite games ever.
Hey tbf about the cave of shadows I feel like you rarely EVER saw a copy of twilight princess HD that wasn't packaged with the amiibo to a point that I honestly don't even know if it was released without it lmao
I genuinely like fighting the Imprisoned AND doing the Tadtone quest XDD
I subscribe to the theory that Groose is the first Gerudo. If you break up his name, they're quite similar phonetically. However, if that is the case, then that means that Groose's descendant was the first Ganon. That adds such a layer of tragedy to him that I'm losing my mind.
Still trying to find a $40 used copy, as no 10-year old port should cost more than that imo.
Exactly
Gamestop has preowned for $43, new for $49. Probably the lowest it’s gonna be for a while unless you buy from someone directly
@@alrightwhatever I found a copy at a local retro game store for $43, and told them about my preference, but it wasn't in the original game case.
What I don't understand is, if you can afford 40 dollars you can afford 60. Meanwhile people are buying from scalpers at double the price.
@@nworder4life I think you mean the other way around, and I said I refuse to pay that price for it.
Fi is a sweet lady with a really unique aesthetic relative to the rest of the series' characters, it sucks that the gameplay features _make_ her annoying to listen to
"unnecessary feelings"
Ace Attorney fans: *We've found another!*
Thank you for this video. I had bought HD for my switch when it released but never gotten around to playing it. I finished this video and immediately started a playthrough and did nothing else but play the game for 4 days straight and it was (again) one of the best gaming experiences I've had in a long time. Thank you