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IS CELL DBZ'S ULTIMATE VILLAIN?! | Dragon Ball Z Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2018
- I may like Perfect Cell a lot, but it seems like the general feeling of Dragon Ball Z likes Perfect Cell too (not to mention his journey!). Today, I want to discuss why this is and why Haverok and I believe that Cell may be lending himself to Nietzsche and the ideas of the bug-man being the Superhuman or "übermensch" archetype fighting against humanity's mundane society. Is this the case? Let's discuss.
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The franchise keeps trying to make him the least relevant Z villain while the fandom is making Cell the most.
Drawing cell was a pain so they hide him away. The same way drawing ss3 is a pain so they made it a weak form.
@@KidArkx Sadly true. I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese audiences disliked him for breaking the trend of ironically proportioned villains, because unlike Frieza, Buu, and Vegeta he looks threatening at first glance.
If that's the case than that's dumb.
Once again we can just remove the spots.
@@SmartAlec1 Cell's perfect form is such an aesthetically pleasing character to look at too (no homo).
I blame those hacks over at Team 4 Star.
They gave Cell what he lacked in the Manga/Anime, an interesting personality.
I love Cell and he had the most epic theme song :D
As a Cell fan, always happy to see a Cell video from you.
That's just nasty
@@randomboys1000Why so because you don't like Cell?
What makes Cell even more interesting is how, through his presence alone, he brings out the very worst side in everyone. Vegeta falls for the bait and allows Cell to go perfect, Kuririn's selfishness at not destroying Android 18, Gohan getting totally lost in his newfound aggression to the point of arrogance. It's almost poetic how Goku sacrifices himself for everyone's sins (even his own). Moreover, Cell has such a great sense of humour about it all and totally "gets" each character.
I love Cell because he has the potential to become the strongest mortal in all of existence. Coupled with the longevity, magical abilities and regeneration of the Namekians (Piccolo/Kami); the durability, hardiness and raw talent from the Frost Demons (Frieza/King Cold), and the Zenkai boosts, transformations, and slowed aging from the Saiyans (Goku/Vegeta),
Cell could exist for potentially thousands of years and still be in top fighting shape, much like Hit. I wonder if Cell could have even absorbed his enemy's DNA and add their traits and abilities to his own, much like what Majin Buu did? I think that's how he attained the Instant Transmission from Goku. Just imagine if he somehow got DNA from other fighters, like Hit, Jiren, or even Beerus or Whis? He would be unstoppable.
Not forgetting to mention all of the plethora of transformations at his disposal too, thanks to the Saiyans and Frieza. He could probably even stack them on each other, like Super Saiyan Blue and Frieza's Golden form. The Kaio-ken is there too, which would make him even more deadly. He could maybe reach Jiren's level without Ultra Instinct.
Doctor Gero had an incredible amount of insight to create such a powerful character from only having such a small amount of data: only the fights and cellular DNA from the middle-end of Dragon Ball (the fights w/Tien, King Piccolo & Piccolo Jr) to the early stages of Dragon Ball Z (Raditz, Nappa & Vegeta); fighters that had power levels ranging from the low hundreds up to the ten-thousands (only two exceptions being Frieza and King Cold; their full powers were in the hundred-millions).
I could sit and hypothetically analyze all of Cell's possible powers and abilities all day, but one thing is for certain: Cell is a grievously underrated villain and character in general, and he could be the strongest in the Dragon Ball series if he really wanted to.
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Golden Perfect Cell 😂
King Colds race are a type of bioform that has control over the form they can take, so cell could even unlock further biological evolutions as he gained more power.
Also in theory Cell could repeatedly blow himself up and regenerate, and spam zenkai boost until he's on par with Beerus.
The mixture of saiyan, namekian, and King Cold's DNA is so powerful. Cell truly is the perfect being.
Someone say Majin Buu
There's a reason why he was forgotten all the same as villains like tao. There's no place for him in the modern story. Ploys deserve to be forgotten. And that's all he was
Cell does not deserve to be forgotten. He was more relevant thanTao as he pushed Gohan to embrace his full power and caused the death of Goku (before Toriyama brought him back)
i was so pissed off that freiza returned about 40 times in dragonball super, but Cell was ignored. He has more potential strenth than frieza. Cell is my favourite villian in all of dragonball. I hate that the creators ignored him.
Cell is by fair the best villain of the z series... he was a threat that pretty much had everyone at a disadvantage... he was intelligent, he had class and dignity, instead of just “I am strongest , give me what I want”.... I actually drew him sitting on a throne, because of how much a fan I am of him
"Would you call this a crown? I'm calling it a crown."
I love that he had poise and dignity. That was too much. When he kept making deals for his own amusement.. lmao
"I tip my... Huh, what is that on my head? Is it a crown? 16, WOULD YOU CALL THIS A CROWN?"
" I hate you. "
"We'll call it a crown."
Something I’ve recently realized about Cell:
It could be argued he was the first “evil Goku” before Black. Think about it. From a personality standpoint, Perfect Cell was basically the same as Goku. He held the Cell Games to fight the strongest opponent, which is sort of how the ToP came about. Cell’s driving motivation and goals are very similar to Goku’s.
I also feel like Cell is the easiest villain to like in the series (as far as
Z, and outside of Vegeta) because he has a lot of nuisance and depth. He has some actual redeeming qualities and even though he is self-righteous and arrogant, he is laid-back and just likable in general.
I have more I could say but that’s basically the majority of it, if you have anything to add, feel free. I’d like to discuss Cell more 🤗🤓
...Turles?
Actually it was turles
I find Cell to be the most interesting because once he achieved his goal he doesn't really have any motivation so he just wants to prove his superiority. He could have killed all the Z fighters and blown up the Earth but he didn't because he wanted to show off and I find that more interesting than a villain who just wants to rule the universe
I miss him, he wasn't the most powerful or craziest villain, but he was the best 1.
To be fair, I'm a little crazy. But if you had a lunatic screaming murderous intent into your subconscious for over 20 years, you'd be a little unhinged too. I made it work.
Cell was the most powerful of his time. How do you fight someone who can regenerate from a single cell?
Aside from Vegeta, Cell is the most developed villain.
I mean, I'd say Piccolo if you're gonna count Vegeta.
@@brolytriplethreat very true. Cell is by far the most complex who doesn't turn good.
@@brolytriplethreat thats right, Gohans father👍
@@SmartAlec1 yeah. Though, to be fair, most of the villains that don't turn good don't last that long. I mean, thanks to Super, Frieza is definitely a contender, but what other competition is there?
@@brolytriplethreat Tao, Crane School Teacher, Red Ribbon Army, some one offs from episodes that don't count, ect.
I have to say I prefer Goku Black and Cell over the other villains. Cell is interesting because he isn’t interested in conquest, he wants to test his power, and fight someone who could rival his power, like a darker version of Goku’s personality. Goku Black, isn’t evil for the sake of evil, he is a righteous soul who has walked the wrong path. He truly believes that what he is doing is the only way to justice and salvation for the universe. He kind of reminds me of a few alternate versions of Ultron, a machine that deduces all life is a threat to peace, because in a way, they’re not wrong. Should all life be eradicated, then there would nothing, just an echoing silence, and many consider silence to be peaceful.
Cell is far more interesting dbz villain of all. Also such shame that Super didnt bring him into the Tournament of Power, because his character fits that style rather than Frieza.
Cell also is stronger than Frieza, due to having cells of Frieza, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo as well King Cold
Considering he what... doubles or triples his power in 30 seconds flat after he blows up King Kai's planet... I'd say it'd take maybe a day to achieve what Frieza did in 4 months.
Yeah well since he has the cells of Vegeta and Goku, no doubt that he would be the one training hard and would easy gain a level that will be beyond the ssj blue. Since Frieza's golden form is quite similar level as blue
Imperfect cell only Fight was vs Piccolo and He behaived Like Piccolo . Then semiperfect cell fought against Vegeta and was behaiving Like Vegeta . Then he behaived Like Goku in the Fight against Goku and gohan. After He blew him self Up He was Like gohan.
He's just like Goku when fighting people. *A COPYCAT*
@@VGInterviews xD
I dunno... I honestly think that's what makes Cell so lovable. He is the dark side to the Z Warriors. He's composed of their DNA, and knows all of their techniques, their personalities, and even their memories. He knows how to get in their heads and really mess with them.
Flaming Flammenwerfer yep
L the Justice well he did fight 16 as well
I agree with your thoughts Masako; Cell is greatly underappreciated by the franchise despite him being in himself the best written villain of all Dragonball to date. Every other major villain was just... there as a powerful antagonist with no real development purely as an antagonist (im not counting development to protagonists like Vegeta or Piccolo).
It was extremely interesting to hear your expanded view on the subject as I always viewed it as the ultimate pacifist (Gohan) vs the ultimate sadist (Cell) and with the ending of their fight culminating in one of the singly greatest underappreciated acts from from everyone; Gohan standing as the new bulwark for the Earth with everyone else firing at Cell trying to help as best as they could and the only way they won was from Vegeta truly starting the journey towards the character he became in Super and distracting him.
No one else fired at Cell in the manga, it was only Vegeta.
There's a tragedy to Perfect Cell as a character that I really don't see many people talk about. Perfect Cell is a man whose life lost all purpose because he achieved everything he ever wanted. He's suffering through an existential crisis brought about by the realization that even achieving his dreams did not leave him with the fulfillment he was seeking.
I would say that only occurs for the briefest of moments; originally he wanted to become perfect, then he wanted to prove he could best Goku. It was during the initial confrontation with Gohan that Cell had lost all meaning to his existence as he had nothing else to strive for... until he learnt of Gohan's hidden potential which his seeking for fulfillment drove him towards.awakening it no matter the cost. At the point where he died; correct he had completed almost all of his goals but there was still 1 thing pushing him forwards which was killing Gohan.
Now if he had beaten Gohan and blown up the earth with his final kamehameha, then I reckon in his personal quest he would go off to seek greater challenges (which as we know from Super would be extremely unlikely considering the grand total of 48 inhabitable planets...). It would be during this time that he would come to realize his life would have little to no meaning and would fall into despair before eventually being erased most likely by Beerus or through the events of the Universal Tournament being won by someone who would use the Super Dragonballs selfishly.
Firstly please note that I did not use the word hero or villain in my first staement; I used the words protagonist and antagonist. Vegeta was certainly a villain on Namek but he was still a protagonist (one that the actual heroes had to work around warily as they were aware he could turn on them at any second) as far as the story was concerned with the Frieza forces being the main antagonists.
Beyond Namek the only true time Vegeta truly became an antagonist was during the Buu arc (a part of me thinks it was just fanservice to see Goku and Vegeta fight as SSJ2). After he sucker punched Goku into submission he flipped again and became a protagonist.
Saying Vegeta wasn't arrogant and actions did not directly lead to the rise of Perfect Cell would be a plain lie. However despite these flaws in his character, again as far as the story was concerned he was a protagonist with the antagonist being Cell. Admittedly that whole section of the Android / Cell saga was very messy with the Androids and Vegeta flipping from antagonist to protagonist and vice versa that I can accept the viewpoint that Vegeta could be either.
For Goku's death you could put the blame on all the Z fighters for not using the dragonballs and killing the androids before they got too strong, you could put it on Goku for not taking the medicine and not suffering from heart troubles early on, and you could blame any of the saiyans when Cell immediately reverted for not diving in for the kill (as pointed out in DBZA they were all proven strong enough and all recovered using sensu beans).
I personally haven't read the manga.
Even then I think the anime made a better impression with everyone trying to take part as lets be honest though the others did fire at Cell, none of them done much and were swatted like flies.
Cell is my favorite Dragon Ball villian as well. Masako doesn't mention this but Cell brings up the concept of free will as well. Is he only fulfilling his programming trying to become perfect or is that what he truly wants? I think he is the most nuanced villain.
To be honest, Cell was always my favorite villain from DBZ, over Frieza even if the overlord had unlocked the first Super Saiyan transformation in Goku. To me it felt like he was much more cunning and really for the most part always managed to get his way, weither it was a timely giving them the slip, letting loose the right information or power, convincing people with his words in Vegeta's case. He was a truly formidable foe. And not just purely dangerous because of how powerful he was.
While being dangerous and villainous in their own way. Frieza and Broli were seeming simpletons in contrast. And I'm not saying that in a way to imply that Frieza had no brain, because one probably doesn't rule a fair share of a galaxy through only brute force alone. But when facing the Z-fighters and Goku, it seemed to be the only plan he ever had, to brute force it and put them in their place.
Not saying that Frieza has no brain either, but his empire was entirely based around his favorite pastime, ultimatums. Serve me or die. Gonna have to file that under the brute force category.
Cell's potential is part of the reason why Meruem worked so well as a character (besides Togashi's writing of course).
I think the reason Meruem worked so well as a character is that we see quite literally his entire life. Every event of any significance whatsoever that ever happened to him, happened right before the audience's eyes. I can't think of a single other character, in all of anime, that the audience gets to know with such detail and presence. Meruem is so easy for people to find worth in because there's absolutely no guesswork. No margin for error. The audience knows Meruem better than they will ever know anybody in their own family. Because there are no blind spots in the audience's knowledge of Meruem's thoughts, actions, and reactions.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 I agree but I don't think his the best tho.
cell is better written then that bug
@@majin903
No cell is not.
I consider hxh has better writing overall, but DBZ has the best action.
Not all shonen are the same, and some are good at things and others are not.
Definitely the most handsome villian.
That jawline don't lie and neither do I.
Cell is one of my favorite villains in DBZ, second only to Cooler. He was sophisticated, but funny at the same time. He made me laugh and "wow" at the same time
he isn’t the ultimate villain he’s the perfect villain
I've always seen Cell's forms as different characters, his personality evolves a lot through the arc.
I'm totally agree with you.
And I want to see more of cell like with frieza, when you think he's finished and done, he came back
You’re the only person I know of who brings in scientific method, psychology, sociology, and theology in a Dragonball discussion. Truly a shame I didn’t see y’all in San Antonio
Honestly the Cell Saga was truly when DBZ should have ended and the new generation started. He was a villain you could see negotiating, getting stronger or creating new techniques. Cell also had a very good shot at winning to go with his cool design! You wanted Cell to lose but win at the same time for that. Yet instead of bringing him back for the tournament or doing anything else creative with him. Everything went back to the status quo and we keep getting Frieza over and over again. Sure I liked Frieza back during his arc but past that? Not really as he just didn't evolve in any way you'd care. I've been ready for something else again for a long time. Especially after the ruined Gohan's progression after the Cell Saga.
Agreed, would have preferred them bringing Cell back instead.
The Saiyan blood in him gives him more potential power.
@A dude's thoughts Do not get me wrong. I loved him in his arc and as a mecha for its time. It was a great arc if not a little long but at this stage it was just to move on to something else.
Cell probably didn’t come back because Toriyama would probably have to come up with a new spotless form
The Cell Saga for me was the celling of the Dragon Ball, The Apex of the series, Cell was a special kind villan, a parsite predator that lurking his victim to be the ultimate and perfect warrior, was so refreshing at that time, personally after that the series went a slow downhill from here.
The fact that DBZ Abridged ended with the Cell Saga just proves your point even more.
Cell was always my favourite villain because he was the scariest to me. He was a monster who went after other monsters (the androids). The ones who should have been the main antagonists of the series, he saw as prey, and he also wiped out entire cities, but in a brand new way I never saw before in a DB series, ad haven't seen since. i saw Nappa and Vegeta and others, just appear nd vaporize cities in a brief show of power. And I saw Frieza and his goons take out villages like mobsters, intimidating and killing for sport.
But Cell was the only villian I ever saw, who killed off entire cities quietly. Personally. He would physically go to every single man woman and child, and purely absorb them. It was a painful and disgusting process, that he had to do thousands/ millions of times...and did it so well and fast that no one ever got away (except for 2 people.) He never destroyed a building and left everything in tact, oly their cloths were left behind and jut the implications, the visuals...it was terrifying.
Cell was for the longest time, what I considered a real monster, and was the only DBZ villian I ever feared. The others were just bad guys you had to beat, who would blow up planets impersonally for shits and giggles. But cell...everything he did was personally. His goals were human, and his final form was the result of all his hard work.
Cell was the best
Cell is the best villain in all of anime, and also the best character in the series. He definitely should be brought back, no matter what.
Let's not get carried away
I somewhat agree. Cell is too iconic
This is why I like you. You're not afraid to analyze and speak your thoughts on a particular subject, especially the "what ifs" like the one if Raditz turned good if that actually was the thing instead of the way that normal played out he would have been my favorite especially in the ToP.
I also was inspired to create my own what if someone way or another in the intricate way that you would have done it instead of just a one-sided deal.
Also "what ifs" are things that I kind of contemplate of things throughout my entire life and not make it a fairytale of some kind, because you know, Multiverse Theory.
Frieza is just a spoiled brat and Majin Buu is an overgrown manchild
You mean an overgrown that thing Chi-Chi keeps in her drawer.
Hello Mr.SuperPerfecterGoldenCell
Buu is literally a teenager dude
MrCell what do u think of Frieza’s brother cooler
@@joestarjester6011 I think that he is non Canon and therefore irrelevant
From a Jungian perspective, Cell could be seen as a being that achieves perfection through integrating and harmonizing the animus and anima.
Not to mention if Cell trained for the same amount of time that Frieza did, he'd wreck Frieza.
Considering he can relatively easily triple his power in 30 seconds flat... yeah.
FACTS
Spoilers, yes. Yes I am.
Mr. Perfect Cell that you are.. please don’t kill me
I'm pleased with your devotion and your grovelling... I'll drink you last.
O please the first person he wants to kill is my brother
That's not untrue...
For me, Cell will always be the best villain in DBZ.
Hey, Masako, pertaining to the subject of Cell, could you do "What if Universe 7 chose Cell for the T.O.P?" as a what-if? I think that the dynamic between him and both the androids and Gohan would be extremely interesting. And he'd probably be in his Perfect Form, since he was in that form while in hell during GT.
this... more of Cell please
This, unfortunately. Even if power levels are a grim spectre hanging over the franchise we'd rather forget most times, they exist. Now, there's nothing to say we can't give Cell a powerup through any number of cheating methods, be it a Super Sayian form, or more interestingly, a Super Namekian style absorption of... Say, himself from another timeline? But Freeza was the one who had relevant power-ups established before the T.O.P, so to raise Cell instead under that premise is flimsy at the best and would reek of handwaving power creep. Not that that wasn't ALREADY a problem for the T.O.P.
@@JacksonJinn Well, what about Buu being the choice instead. Basically, he just doesn't fall asleep instead and changes things up quite a bit.
All villain Team! Cell, Frieza, Buu, Vegeta, Piccolo. :D Add Goku and Gohan for some balance, and presto!
I could legit think even SPC would have been more dangerous than TGF. In fact I could actually see Cell flipping the entire tournament's script by eliminating Kale, Monna, allowing Hit to beat Jiren, potentially getting Goku eliminated vs Aniraza, in fact the whole arc would probably be better written if this were the case.
Cell has always been my favorite that whole arc is the peak of dbz for me
Imperfect Cell = Wired one with the freaky power
Semi Perfect Cell = Big tough stupid one
Perfect Cell = Pretty one
Toriyama really does have a bad one track mind
The Cell Saga was the best in the DBZ franchise. Even the Android Saga leading to it was done well as it gave more of a platform for Cell to really show. It highlighted Gohan in a good way and showed Vegeta's heart more. Cell brought the best out of those two characters. Frieza simply just pushed Goku over the edge. That is all he did.
Cell is and will always be the _perfect_ villain in Dragon Ball, or any shonen anime for that matter.
"Is Cell DBZ's Ultimate Villain?"
Yes. Yes he is. May someone PLEASE kindly explain why Frieza is so popular?
Cells not ultimate his PERFECT
This video only makes me appreciate Cell more. In fact, he's who got me to like Dragon Ball Z in the first place! I first saw his fight with Piccolo and I was astonished. And I think episode 52 of DBZA was the first one I ever watched in the series simply because I had seen the Funimation dub of DBZ Kai the weekend before on Toonami, and I was searching on RUclips for that same fight and I came across Lanipator and Takahata doing those voices. Needless to say, Cell will always be my favorite. And you and all the guys at TFS will always be my favorite voices and producers.
And, Masako, can you give my shout-outs to the others at TFS? It'd mean a lot to me. And keep doing an amazing job yourself.👍
Also, nice touch with the German. I'm taking lessons and I had to know what that was.
Perfect Cell 999 i have literally the exact same story of becoming a dragonball fan
_same here me he's by far my favorite villain i dont care what people have say about frieza, i like cell better_
Perfect Cell 999 you not cell devilartemis is idiot and he has a Kermit “o hi there.””
@@icycream2614 _artemis isnt cell he just makes cell videos_
Perfect cell ultron he is and he has a Kermit
Thank you Masako for giving me more reasons to love the villain that will always stay in my mind as "Perfect!"
Is it weird I kinda like imperfect cell the most, he just brought a new feel to the show😅
I need more DBZ philosophy. I (Platonically ) love you Masako. PLEASE keep up this type of analysis.
Could have put perfect villain lnstead ultimate
Well, he had another video titled "Is Perfect Cell the Perfect Villain?" or a title similar. So it probably wouldn't do to have two such similar titles... or to use the pun twice.
8:06
"by reaching his final form, Perfect Cell has become, what many people in narrative ways describe as"
"Handsome as f*ck"
I read Übermensch and i was Just Like ,OK im German, OK im intrested ,OK firstly U got my Attention and then i thought OK U got my errection.
i got the same thing but im polsih xd
Me too. It was maybe the original titel during the upload or RUclips translated it. Übermensch is still in my notifications.
He also pronounces it pretty good
I got it as well and I'm Dutch
@@TheKingofbrooklin it must be translated by RUclips
Not gonna lie, Cell was not only the first DBZ villain I ever knew, but the first anime villain I ever knew. So you could say he’s pretty much the reason I even looked into anime.
I always found Cell LESS interesting as he gained forms. I loved Imperfect Cell's strategic and conniving nature. He had to outsmart and outmaneuver his opponents rather than overpower them. And once he got to Perfect Cell I found his personality really grating. He has so much self pride he makes Vegeta look humble.
I loved watching the fights right to the very end, but I wasn't interested in his character anymore. I was more interested in Gohan's development instead.
Matthew Hilliker I agree
To be fair, he planned to do a LOT more episodes on the forms before he became perfect, but one of the writers was being an ass and saying "Ugh! He's so ugly! Make him perfect already!" at just about every episode the previous two forms were used.
Disagree
I agree cell is the best villain of dragon ball z . He may to some people be a copy of the over fighters and altho it is true we get something truely diffrent for all the mesh of all his traits. He not evil in the traditional way as it's always to test his power and be the ultimate lifeform that being said he isn't beneath of just out right being evil for the sake of it
Yeah. Cell is my most favorite DBZ Villain.
Cell is no only my favorite DBZ villain, but he's one of my favorite villain of all time. I couldn't put into words why he was, but this helped a bit.
Let me explain Cell like this:
I was 10 years old, and in my birthday, I asked for a Cell-shaped piñata (pinyata; I'm mexican). I knew, since then, that Cell was the most perfect villan, the most elegant and (in latin dubbed) the sexiest voice of a monster; deep and machine-like. And he steals vegeta's dialogs. Since then, he's been my favorite villan. Now I'm psychologist, and fully agree with you, but many like the psycho of Frieza...
Finally someone who gets it 😭
Cell is the best tho, and was my favourite once he was introduced, seeing what tfs did just makes it kaio what x20 better
When it comes to presence, both Imperfect Cell and Perfect Cell are easily uncontested throughout Z. In terms of presentation, Perfect Cell rules the roost, a sadistic showman looking for a good time. The problem, however, is foundation and direction - namely in that he doesn’t have either of these.
His origin is as a consequence rather than an individual, and once he’s become Perfect, any possible goals he may have beyond “fight Goku” are basically a shoulder shrug. Frieza and Buu didn’t have this problem; Frieza was a rare prodigy brought up in tyranny who yearned for eternal rule, Buu was an eldritch being that slayed the gods aiming for nothing but the end of all existence. These origins and destinations help complete them and round out their characters, but Cell’s just kind of- _there._ He’s moreso a powerful obstacle with charisma than a proper villain.
The stakes just don’t carry the same kind of punch as they did on Namek and the Sacred World of the Kais; he doesn’t sell the idea of anything beyond an archrival sort effectively, because that’s really all he’s _designed_ to be without further purpose.
Bravo. This just sums of everything I wanted to say but only like a 100x more succinct than I could have hoped to.
I've always felt the same way you do, but this line of thought actually makes me think that Cell could potentially be a great anti hero. Think about it, he is way more chill and non chalant than Frieza, and has a much better personality than Buu. His interactions with the main cast would be priceless since he knows each and everyone of them in one way or another - just look at DBZF's cutscenes, which nailed his personality, imo. I could definitely see him being the sort of guys who would totally want to go out against the likes of Moro or Broly just to test how powerful he is and just for the fun of it. He doesn't care about human lives, or the planet, which could create an interesting dynamic between him and the Z fighters. Not to mention this could be a great opportunity to make Gohan great again.
Cell has always been my favorite.
He's DBZ's perfect villain
I’m quite confident in my speed you know
To be honest, I would love to have Cell back instead of Freeza...Just imagine the possibilities due to his genetic structure, not to mention his character as you, Masako, have perfectly portrayed in your video.
That would be a pretty fun What-if? to see; Cell winning and leaving to explore the galaxy after annihilating the earth. Perhaps in his travels through the stars, he begins to reflect on what his power has got him and either comes to realize that there's more to it than just needless destruction, or wreaking havoc for so long that the Kais and even possibly Beerus show up to challenge him. While I doubt Perfect Cell would up and repent for his actions, I could at least imagine that he'd have an interesting introspective about his existence and the almost limitless power he possesses and what feats he could accomplish as someone bordering on godly prowess.
"Call me Ubermensch cause I'm so driven" ERB
Don't forget Cell's purpose provided by Gero was simply to kill Goku. Something Cell wanted to do but at his own pace. Cell didn't seem to have a purpose beyond fighting, getting better, and asserting his perfection. He's kind of like Goku in that aspect as he likes to fight for the sake of it to test his limits and push them even further. He's also like Vegeta in that he doesn't like losing and he has a bad temper for it as well. He got angry not only when losing against Super Vegeta in his second form but also when ssj2 Gohan was beating him up.
Ultimately Cell has no upper limits since he can absorb the cells of others and gain their powers. He can be a ssj god. He can be a god of destruction. He could even be an angel. And the most dangerous thing about him is his ambition. He's not like Frieza in that he has a single goal of controlling everything. He's not like Buu in that he wants to destroy everything. He's a bit of both. He wants to achieve more and destroy more and he hasn't really figured out an endgame. That makes him unpredictable.
the best thing about cell is that u can see his origins in his actions, from freiza's sadism to goku's battle lust
Ok, i need to admit it.
I'm italian and i don't know english perfectly, because for Latin people ( italians, Spanish, Romanian etc....), if they don't talk every single day and moment for a long time in any kind of Anglo-Saxon language ( English, French, Deutchland etc.....) it can be difficult to follow a video like that, but somehow, i did it without any problems. Your English is so confortable for my ears and i can understand every single word. Thanks Lawrence and keep going :D
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@@squidwardwardsquid1349 And your point?
The bit about a grasp on the Earth made me think of GT and the Earth being the Moon that turned Kid Goku into a Golden Oozaru and it struck me that SSJ4 is Ubermensch. Goku takes hold of his existence and his life to surpass his enemies and considering the power of the Evil Dragons, he also surpasses the Gods. And it is a purely Saiyan thing. Compare that to God and Blue transformations of Super. They require a form of Ki that is not naturally developed in the body, requiring Divine Influence/ Holy Ritual. Thus they are Forms that are beholden to another Being. Whereas SSJ4, the Saiyan is beholden to no-one. Something to consider.
Not only he is an interesting character but also has one of the best designs (and voice: Wakamoto), followed closely by Cooler final form IMO.
No cell isnt the ultimate villain hes the Perfect villain
I remember seeing somewhere that Cell was among the best anime villains. And I don't mean favorites, I mean, like objectively, since he was more than just strong and dangerous.
If cell comes back, make his true form Ultimate Cell
What if planet vegeta was never destroyed and kakarott, broly, and vegeta were raised on planet vegeta
Frieza gets overthrown, Saiyans invade and conquer other planets, Beerus actually has to do his job for once and nuke a planet that's getting out of hand.
When you look back on it, until the Tournament of Power, Freeza, once you remove the lore connecting him to the Saiyans, was a sophisticated thug who sat back for his entire arc until he entered the iconic fight on Namek; letting his men do the dirty work before he could get immortality or revenge. Buu changed so much in personality that it’s hard to keep track of who he is at the moment, with Super Buu being the one closest to having a villainous drive of his own accord, rather than being ignorant or being a force of chaos. Cell had defined goals from the very start, active until the ten days before the Cell Games, then went back to being active again; was a personal archenemy to everyone with Goku being the sole exception; was intimidating in all forms and caused the most development in characters through his actions.
I mean, the Cell Saga is literally the Climax of the Z Storyline. He’s the baddie between Frieza and Majiin Buu, the Two Towers to Buu’s Return of the King, if you will.
Pretty interesting, love how much thought you are putting into a character Toriyama made due to editorial mandates.
Frieza is my favourite villain, but the cell saga is my fave saga. You could do a what-if Cell Returned for Revenge, and kills Videl and Pan to get back at Gohan, kills Goten and Chi chi to get back at Goku, Kills Trunks and Bulma to get back Vegeta and Kills Chiaotzu to get back at Tien and then kills Tien, and what would happen if he absorbed 17 and 18 again and Gained the Powers of SSJ God, Blue and Frieza's Golden form powers on top.
I'll give you that. Cell himself, compared to most DBZ villains, is not as much of a one-note character thrown against the Z Warriors just for the sake of having a villain to beat. That job was reserved to Doctor Gero, 19, the Ginyu Force, Raditz, and such.
Cell's strongsuit was indeed his personality, his evolution throughout his story arc, and the dread he represents, at least up until he decides to make "the Cell Games".
I'm okay with villains who don't want to die, or act like disgusting monsters the whole way through. Cell was depicted as a real -perfected- warrior pretty much the whole time he was on, and he was awesome. Then, when Gohan finally answered his Cat Call by going berzerk and threaten to end his life, he did the most dishonorable thing I least expected him to do: He presented Gohan with an Ultimatum. "hit me and the whole planet goes boom".
I may be alone on this subject, but I like villains I can -begrudgingly- respect. I like Negan from Walking Dead, 'cause he makes no compromises and stays on course with his own morals. Stupidly, I like Ganondorf from Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, because despite what exploits you do as a player to beat the crap out of him, in the end you're still presented with a true warrior's duel with the main villain of the saga. He doesn't run away with the History Eraser button, pooping with fear like a wiener. Cell has honor, as long as he's on top. When he starts to fail, he cracks and turns into a bitching wiener boy, craps his non-existent pants, and ultimately threatens to blow up the planet if Gohan touches him. He's a villain I don't respect.
Frieza might have been an uppity weasel with many forms which, honestly, could have been cut down to three with no impact on the story, but at least he felt like an unstoppable force at the head of an empire. When he finally got beat, it was meaningful, poetic justice. All the more fitting for him to lose his cool and try to stab Goku in the back, and failing. He didn't come back 3 more times saying "Haha! Once again you kicked my ass and fell right into my trap!".
-If Cell didn't just act like a wiener boy, I might have liked him better. But this part, along with his incessant regenerative abilities which actually don't quite work like Piccolo's do, made him a villain difficult to sit through. Memorable, maybe, but not as enjoyable and meaningful.
Thank you for making this video I love it when you talk philosophy about my favourite characters.
I thought that was RUclips Instatranslating video titles Again...
me too…
You know your early when the notification is in German
Love your second channel. More Lawrence/Masako is always good.
Cell is by far my favorite villain.
Never got why he wasn't as appreciated, Cell's saga was legit the best of DBZ for many reasons him being a big part of that.
1:29 That simple drawing of Cell in his first form with a humanoid face without the black spots on the body, I think that is the best look for Cell, Don't get me wrong the cannon imperfect and perfect forms are cool, (personally I like the imperfect form more, the creepy intimidating face with a lethal sting and slick slender body) but now that I've seen that drawing of Cell I think thats the best form for him. Someone make a proper colored version of that.
After watching a whole bunch of these videos, I've only just realised there's music in the background. It's so damn quiet, what the HFIL!
I am in love with the way you and the team portrayed him in the abridged. I would love to see him more in the future just for humor.
"Our talks are nice."
I love it when you bring philosophy into these videos. It makes Dragon Ball to have unintentional depth. Cell has always been my favorite villain in DBZ.
As much as the idea is hated by most other fans I still think it was a terribly missed opportunity when they didn't revive Cell for the tournament arc of Super. I mean lets all be honest Krillin, Tien and Piccolo were NEVER going to accomplish much. I mean Krillin literally got canned immediately even after hyping his new training and solar flare. Having Cell, Frieza and Majin Buu (he was so hyped with that new toned form) would have made an incredible dynamic. The banter between Cell and Gohan alone would have been brilliant. I'm not saying he needs to pull a 180 like 18 and 17 did but you gotta admit, the guys motivation for the majority of time was simply ''get perfect, then flex''. I mean if they're willing to revive Frieza (a literal Tyrant) why not Cell? Oh well.
Cell is always my favorite villain in Dragon Ball, over Frieza and evil 21, i find him to be a very cool villain with him being sneaky and conscious, he also trick Vegeta into allowing him to absorb 18, due to the fact that Vegeta was such a dumbass to allow him to gain perfection after absorbing 18 even his stupid pride gets in the way of letting him absorb her
Yay, the first person who didn't think Freeza is the ultimate villain
something that occurred to me while I was watching this
you know the TFS running joke about henchmen in movies? the whole 'pretty one, big dumb tough one, one with weird powers? well, that's actually cell
imperfect cell - one with weird power (he drinks people)
semi perfect cell - big dumb tough one (come on, look at him)
perfect cell - the pretty one
It's interesting you make a reference to Thanos, because I think one of the reasons Cell is my favorite _Dragon Ball_ villain.
When the story focused on him, he legitimately felt more like the protagonist. I wanted him to achieve his perfect form because he'd potentially be able to open the eyes of our Saiyan characters. His actions and interactions with our main characters *did* affect Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Trunks arcs in the Android/Cell era.
The Cell saga is my fav. And what I like about Cell is that he achieved his purpose… becoming perfect!
9:41 when you still haven't watched jojo's after being asked to by friends for over a year
Imperfect Cell is very underrated imo, people tend to dismiss him but never forget it was Imperfect Cell that technically killed Goku
LOL
He quoted tfs when he said "he did it his way"
No kidding
Cell truly is the pinnacle of perfection, DBZ should've ended with Perfect Cell and start something else
Great video man, and I liked the ending :)
Why is your chin's shadow a perfect triangle?
This reason why Toei doesnt bring him back is because they realized he was 2 perfect for this universe.
I miss Cell.
Cell theme music was the best!!! 🔥