THE ONE THING GT DID BETTER THAN DRAGONBALL SUPER | MasakoX
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- In #DragonBall and #DragonBallSuper, there is something about the outcome and the way we get to places like the Buu Saga or the #TournamentofPower where things don't feel very engaging or special...or even exciting! Why is that? What is missing from Dragonball Super that even the likes of DBGT did well at? Well let's discuss that!
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DBS: Just spams the Dragon Balls.
DBGT: Dragon Balls become the greatest enemies.
It's almost like this anime is about Dragon Balls
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Matt Underwood it’s almost like they are used as plot devices that nullify all tension
@@jrose4731 Does not negates the fact that it's still called 'Dragon Ball' Can't do anything about it, you either enjoy the anime, or you don't.
@@Matt_Underwood , there's actually new Dragon Balls for every DB Series.
Dragon Ball: Earth Dragon Balls/Shenron(Creator- Kami)
Dragon Ball Z: Namekian Dragon Balls/Prounga(Creator-Guru)
DBGT: The Black Star Dragon Balls/Ultimate Shenron(Creator- Piccolo and Kami when they were merged) and the Shadow Dragon Balls/ Smoke Black Shenron(Creator- Smoke Black Shenron from the Negative energy stored inside the Earth Dragon Balls)
DBS: The Super Dragon Balls/ Super Shenron(Creator- The Dragon God who's name I don't remember)
And even DBH has it's own Dragon Balls created by an Evil Dende
Dbs: *Tries to bring any tension to the story*
End of Z: I'm about to end this series' entire storyline
If you watched the TOP or the Moro arc, there is still very much tension. Much more than DBGT, everything began to feel stale because Goku kept beating every villain by himself and it was becoming predictable. In DBS, the only antagonist who Goku beat by himself was Golden Frieza, but he technically needed Whis to rewind time to do it.
@@jantheking7028 And with that last sentence, You just proved yourself wrong in the field of trying to say dbs has more tension than dbgt. In DBS, not only does everything take place before the end of Z, meaning every one will be fine by the end no matter what happens. Plus the two strongest beings in the z fighters universe in beerus and whis are practically by their side all the time and can wipe out the villian by themselves with ease if they wanted to. If that fails, Goku has a button that can summon the literal omni king and squish any problem out of existence. That among other reasons why dbs has far lower tension than dbgt or any other db series for that matter. In DBGT, that took place 5 years after the end of Z and there was no higher being to act as a safety net. GT was far morr unpredictable since no one knew how it would end unlike dbs
Jantheking ha
I think end of z has been retconed at this point
GT's Dragon Arc was a great way to show how the Dragon Balls were abused and it was an adecuate endind to a series who shared their name.
Adequate
@@potaterjim go away
It would have been if it wasn't written so damn horridly. The end also sucked.
Still think that GT did the right thing with the Dragon ball arc. It was poorly executed but the idea that the Dragon balls would go bad from over use was good. And it makes sense that the dragons were strong because the Dragon balls are obviously very powerful. Pity this won't be explored in super I think as they won't want comparison to gt.
@@peterdcrowley
I cant even say it's the right thing when it was just done so poorly. I mean it came out of nowhere, Ultra Instinct for instance was explained and built up to for three whole arcs before it finally happened. We coulda gotten like one scene at the first use of them in GT with like one cracking or something. And then your statement about them being strong works but then not all of them were strong, and there were only 3 of them that were actually cool the rest were lame as hell and just not memorable at all.
Honestly thank god Super wont explore it. They need to focus on new things and not try to go back and repair problems that aren't actually there. We didn't even really need to see new namek or have the daikaioh come back in the manga these are just so off base with the style of Z and more like the fanfiction that Toyble writes like AF
When 17 supposedly blew himself up in the Tournament of Power, first thing I said was “he’ll be back”. Little did I know how quickly that’d happen.
And yet they've never resurrected Android 16 after he tried to do the same thing.
@@nearthe2nd He has no soul because he's a robot, remember?
@@BlossomPathOnStage15 Android 8 came back.
@@ZigTheHunter Which one you're talking about? If you're talking about the movie then it's not canon. None of the movie is the only canon movie is Battle of Gods and Resurrection F that's it.
a fantasy and Dragon Ball Super Broly?
Also, SSJ4 is such a better transformation/form than just the boring pallet swap that is SSJB
I would agree!
I personally hated it.
Tbh, DB Super just swapping out hair colors for new forms of Super Saiyan was a massive turn off for me. I hadn't watched the series, only heard about and read some lore, but the laziness of them just swapping out the hair colors to differentiate SSJ forms took DB Super from "I haven't watched this yet but I've got it on my radar for the near future" to "I haven't watched this and I don't see any reason to do so".
@@thescribeinyellow3985 Blue Evolution at least had a satisfying debut and was good for Vegeta's character. Super Saiyan Blue by itself needed the same amount of finesse it got in the Broly movie for the entire series, if it was going to be a regular form like it was. I find it ironic because the forms that ascended past it seemed like they meant way more than the inital one. Blue Kaioken was a firm combination of old and new, and gave Kaioken meaning again. Blue Evolution was a big showing of Vegeta's development as a character, and gave Vegeta something that complimented his pride. I love SSJ4 as a transformation and it's definitely different in a good way. I just think that the form itself didn't represent the character's styles as much. Blue itself was too bland, but SSJ4 felt really outlandish and didn't lend itself as well to the other characters development. I do prefer how it was used more though, and it was much cooler than Blue as a transformation. I just prefer Blue Evolution Ultra Instinct and Blue Kaioken more from a character perspective. They just felt like they meant more to the characters involved.
I don't hate Super Saiyan Blue, but it would've made more sense as a mastered Super Saiyan God. Super Saiyan 4 is still cool though, since it made Goku and Vegeta resemble the original Son Wukong.
Tien: "Why do you care?"
Yamcha: "Huh? What?"
Tien: "Why do any of you care?" [...]
Yamcha: "Well, yeah, but you make it sound like death has no consequence."
Tien: "It really doesn't. We're literally waiting to go back. Hell, this is Chiaotzu's second time."
Chiaotzu: "Next time, I get a free Sundae!"
Yamcha. "Huh."
King Kai: "Huh."
Tien: "Yeah."
lol
DBS Narrator: “Gasp! The universe is in danger of being erased! Will our heroes succee-“
Me: “Yes.”
Narrator: “How do you know?”
Me: *(Points to ending of Z)*
Narrator: “Oh.”
I think at this point they are just gonna ignore the ending of Z. Super added too much stuff that just does not line up with the ending of Z.
@okagron not really. Z’s epilogue purposefully left a lot of things ambiguous, leaving answers to a few questions.
Where’s Beerus & Whis? Their home. Beerus might even be asleep again.
What about Frieza? Even if Frieza is still alive by the end of Z, he knows not to mess with Earth until he can come up with a flawless plan to defeat his enemies.
There are other questions, but my point is that Super’s story, at least, doesn’t retcon Z’s ending. Z’s ending just made mostly everything in Super seem nonthreatening.
@@JJ_R that might change in the Morro arc though
Pointing at Vegeto? Yep 👍
@@JJ_R didn't bulma say that it's been 5 years since goku has talked to them, yet in super they are only 4 years behind
Super doesn't have consequence meanwhile Gt does.
Super has so many sets of dragonballs with lil to no consequence meanwhile if u make a wish on the black star dragonballs(what happened to the originals or the namekians set???) Then they go all-around the universe and if u don't get an ALL in a year and bring them back to the planet they were used on, the planet EXPLODES.
Top that with the fact that wishes on it no matter how pure still create negative energy in it, when enough builds up some strong ass dragons spawn out of it.
GT made the dragonballs so dangerous to use that it was like like playing Whammy every time u summoned shenron.
Meaning that death had a huge consequence as the dragonballs had so many rules and problems behind them.
GT made Dragon ball about the Dragon Balls again
@@Contevent True, but it was asspullish about it.
@@CarbonRollerCaco It's a New thing. Of course it comes out if nowhere.
They hinted at the dark side of the DB with the dark ones, and it's about all they could
a reaction that I'd like to see done in Super is Goku being somewhat alienated by his friends post-Tournament of Power.
Why would they alienate him? Because it was his idea. He recklessly endangered more people then Freiza, Cell and Majin Buu combined for what? A chance to fight someone strong? If it wasnt for 17's false self destruct, there'd be no Universe 7, or most of the other Universes for that matter.
Side note there would be no Moro
@@isaacgraff8288 That would be an AMAZING idea
Although knowing Toriyama he's not gonna take that chance, Dbz has always lacked those types of consequences that A comic book has.
I would LOVE to see them start alienating Goku because of this and u know what would be crazier?
If this was the start of a NEW Goku BLACK.
I always thought Goku BLACK was regular GOKU except he's been tired of not getting a good fight, and thinking about how the best fighters are on earth, decides to challenge the Z warriors by causing destruction and making them fight him.
That would be a crazy way to take Goku.
U know who would beat him tho?
Chi chi
But not for a goofy reason, I'd want chi chi to talk him down from it.
To tell him all the good that she remembers about him and why Goku black is NOT him.
We always SEE Gokus actions and we see Goku constantly leave her, but we never really understand why she puts up with him, having chi chi talk no jutsu Goku to STOP him not only gives CHI CHI more character depth as we finally understand why she loves and adores him so much, but we also get a character that may not be the most powerful, but STILL manages to STOP a major threat.
What If Vegeta was brought to planet Earth after Bulma asks for a boyfriend instead of oolong wishing for a pair of underwear?!
Oh damn, that's a decent question...
YES
Shenlong can only transport willing people.
But explaining that could get quite fun on its own.
That would actually be pretty hilarious. Vegeta would be like, "what? Where am I? How did I get here? Nappa, is this your fault?! Nappa? Where are you, you blundering oaf?"
fgreger who’s to say Vegeta wouldn’t want to go to Earth just for kicks?
GT had character development. Goku was more mature, vegeta was more laid back, etc.
What if that head bump made Goku smart, like Bulma/Gero Smart instead of a Functional Vegetable.
That's Super Goku
The use of using d-balls to revive characters as basically eliminated any chance for high stakes, especially with the inclusion of whis.
Gt doesn't deserve so much hate, it's a fun show and brought back some old elements from past
Yet, Super gets criticized for that instead.
@@okagron it gets criticized for a boring transformation, bad animation, and bad story writing
@@darthrevan454 the bad animation was really only in episode 5 and 27 the rest was really good
@@justinDLew even if that were the case it still had a boring ass transformation and shitty story writing
@@darthrevan454 wich transformation are you talking about? You have to be specific because there are a lot
One thing I wished dragonball super did was explore those other universes like dbgt did. Goku and friends travelling to another universe to help them with their problems, see their world and after the torunament: attempting to find out what those destroyed universes were like!
We still don't know what all the universes were like, we barely know anything of the universes destroyed before the tournament and to this day; frieza's species has no name! We saw frost in another universe, so they can't be called "frieza's race" if frieza doesn't exist there!
They are called Friggers.
Not really. "Other universes" amounts to little other than another name for "far away location". There are trillions upon trillions of planets in the universe and considering how in DBZ we got to see like what, 4 different planets, there's no reason at all to expand the scope of Dragon Ball ***THAT*** much. It just creates further blocks and limits to the expansion of the series. DBGT operated at the level of a single galaxy, we got to see like 10 different planets, and it was more than enough. And many more could added withing the scope of the a single galaxy.
"Multiverse" is unnecessary, and an excuse for a lack of creativity too (I mean, why come up with lore and narratives for other completely different races when you can just say there are repetitions of sayans in "other universes.
I disagree with the statement of Vegeta's best character development being in the cell saga, he changed the most in the buu saga.
Really?
He didn't really.
God-Level Threat I think Masako means at that point in time, and using that as a gateway to talk about the Cell Saga.
The Original Otaku tell that to majin vegeta
@@redjux04 tell that to the final explosion.
Tbh, the title of the show negates any sense of consequence in the series, especially in super.
When beerus hakais someone it's supposed to erase their soul, With this in mind, Zeno should be leagues above that, because of this, the losing universes were basically hakaied and brought back.
Super dragonballs can undo hakai, the newest thing that was supposed to put someone down permanently.
A problem I had with Hakai was that, it too, became a problem that could be overcome with training. Normally, mere contact would bring about erasure. Whether you were animal or mineral or even a ghost, no mortal force could survive it. Now we have characters that can power through them like any other Ki blast in the series. Because of this, you know, at some point, even Zeno will be overpowered by a villain/Goku.
chris S. I mean they are the "Super" Dragon Balls, the ultimate "any wish ever" mcguffin. Although currently only actual Gods have been able to find them (Champa, Zamasu, Grand Minister), so they aren't exactly as accessible as Earth's or Namek's sets.
@@maleficking6556 it shouldn't be this way with the super dragonballs tho, there should be some things u can't wish for with them.
They should still have rules that u must follow.
To me it takes most of the danger out of something when u can just find all of them and wish on them.
Yeah they are hard to find but to have them be able to reverse ERASURE kinda feels cheap, like they can outdo the omni king.
@@maleficking6556 yeah I understand that but what I'm trying to say is that when it comes to that set, they have Little to NO rules to follow
@@chriss.249 I get the criticism and agree, but it does feel kinda odd to have the "ULTIMATE" wish have limitations. If anything, they should have just stuck with the original Dragon Balls.
When will we just admit that the End of Z will eventually severely limit the creative potential of DBS?
The only thing End of Z limited was Toriyama’s fetish for finality. PlagueOfGripes said it best: DBS destroyed its own potential by introducing the absolute strongest and end-all be all characters in such a short span. We didn’t need to see Zeno. We have over twelve Universes to explore, but here comes Jiren, who had to be the absolute strongest and the bestest non-mortal ever, because the TOP just had to be end all,of everything, when it didn’t need to be. So now, if Super ever returns, they need to escalate it further to keep the interest.
@@EdmacZ
I don't think thats true at all. Not even remotely.
1. You don't always need to one up the last part to keep interest. There are plenty of things to add interest without making it a competition.
2. Jiern was the strongest in the top, sure, but there are other universes that weren't there, as well as there being beings like Moro who didn't make an appearance.
3. Golden Frieza was weaker than beerus, but his arc was after Beerus, proving your claim wrong
4. The hell do you mean by "finality"? I don't understand it.
5. DBS has so much potential, but the only way they can keep the end of Z as canon is if they do some annoying back-tracking at the eventual end of super
6. Zeno is fun and enjoyable, and his appeal is from the lack of knowing what he would do. So he isn't a problem in the slightest
@Noah zzstu Smith Literally this. I can literally see Super going more into time travel (HOPEFULLY NOT AND I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH!) and the enemy being someone who can erase all of time. Him being the opponent of Goku. There after a foe beyond time and so on.
Honestly I'd like a villain to win. Like Hearts.. (and I know heroes sucks and whatnot) he's ideals were that Zeno is a childlike character that very easily destroys for fun and the destroyer gods entertain his desires and that needs to stop. And Goku hates him because he's friends with Zenny.
OR Bebi. Maybe show how his mind control works for the better of mankind and the saiyan (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, etc) are the problem in a way.
I appreciate that GT actually played very well off the end of Z. Like when Vegeta had his moment when he said Goku was number one, that was reflected in GT. Vegeta‘s drive was to be better than Goku and when he released that, he found more good in his life, like spending time with Bulma and Bulla as well as being a solid father figure to Trunks. Goku never changed, that’s why he just went off to train more. He stood true to his drive to fight that’s why even in peace he trained for 7 years. Gohan wanted to be a scholar and after all the years of fighting, that’s what he did. He stopped training and settled down. Trunks and Goten were raised as children with powers and became functional teenagers, becoming more human in the process (as in they engaged in more human activities like dating and getting a job). While this unfortunately lead to the show being all about Goku, that is how things would progress. Vegeta wouldn’t strive to be better than Goku, but Goku would keep going. No one besides Goku enjoyed fighting at that point, that’s why Goku was the strongest and had to lead the charge. Overall, I like what GT did with characters because of how it transitioned from Z. It worked, it was true to their ending. It shows how the characters would respond to a lasting peace.
Too bad that in GT they didn´t make Goku extremely detached fromt the rest. Like, we know he's always away from training, but it would be cool for him to come back and everyone is living a peaceful life and they DON´T want to fight for fun anymore, leaving Goku alone. He would feel like a stranger, and that would lead to some interesting development. In the Cell Saga he gave a senzu bean to Cell just so that Cell could fight Gohan at full power, but in GT he would need to change that mentality.
@@takezokimura2571 That's literally what happened to his relationship with his granddaughter, Pan. She was very dismissive of and rude to him when she met him again, and much of the show is actually dedicated to Goku reconnecting with his family and friends. It's one of the major themes.
@@diarawisteria2218
Goku in GT ironically does feel more mature than he was in Super
The reason why I like GT is because they didnt ruin gokus character, in super he doesn't even feel like Goku anymore, meanwhile in GT sure Goku is a kid again but you can see his character getting older, more wise and in super hes just a bumbling idiot
Yeah hell I especially hated when.goku treats his goddamn family like they are friends
Thats horseshit
In Z the budoki tenkaichi and budokai games and gt he actually treats chi chi like his wife
And.not a goddamn friend
@Shaikh Mustafa Salman yup. Once he got his tail back in GT his power was restored and he could go SS3 again
@@gabrielchastain6091 exactly, sure he isnt kissy kissy or anything but you can see he cares, reacting when they get hurt, ect I can see the progression of his character in GT and I respect that, if he wasnt a kid I feel a lot more people could see it too, not to completely diss super, I like super it's just characterization GT did it better. Even Vegeta I liked, hes just a family man now, but he still trains to keep him ready, hell same with gohan! Its been teased that he fused his ultimate form into his base form so hes incredibly strong too!
@@Nicksnerdcave GT Vegeta is trash, ssj 4 is the only reason he was worth screen time in season 2
@@Nicksnerdcave Goku isn't like that in the Dbs manga, only TOEI ruined the entire Dbs by homogenously mixing fillers with the canon storyline, creating innumerable inconsistencies and plot holes.
I'm gonna list a few more how GT did better than DB Super:
1. Consequences (In DB Super we know the Main Cast will survive because of EndOfZ)
2. Many Villains (Opinions aside DB Super only has 1 or 2 [Zamasu & Copy Vegeta] for the record Goku Black is still Zamasu)
3. Exploration/Adventuring (Original DB & Dragon Ball Z has it as well, DB Super completely lacks any Adventuring)
4. Unique Forms/Designs (Can't deny that)
5. It takes place After DBZ while DB Super is stuck in DBZ.
1. We don't know what will happen to Beerus, Whis, Hit, or really any of the gods or other universes. And now we have Frieza, Lemo, Cheelai, and Broly to be concerned about.
2. One great villain can be better than many bad ones (not trying to give favor to either, just saying it does not automatically make something good or bad), Beerus was a villain in BoG, Frieza has seen more growth since Z to better fit him into Super, and the ToP had multiple villains from Universe 4 which specifically targeted 7 to Frost and of course Jiren. Champa is also very much a villain in the U6 tournament, and we'll likely see Moro from the manga in time. We also got Barry and Watagash, but that was somewhat of a joke so I won't count him.
3. True, Super is lacking, but the the next arc in the manga seems to be bringing back some adventure, and a few of the "filler arcs" have seen us going to new places at least.
4. I would argue Ultra Instinct and SSG (regular) are at least as unique as SS4. God does change the person's design and gives them interesting and unique abilities.
5. Also true, though I personally want to wait and see whether they'll change Z's ending or not given all that has happened in Super. This can apply to the 1st part too.
Just want to say sorry about your reply to me. RUclips is acting dumb and won't let me see the whole thing.
Oh that's fine, that is completely understandable because I'm aware of how RUclips is broken as of late.
Did u forget more
1. The omly.consequwne was the dragonballs, and even then it was mediocre. That's nothing to praise
2. The villians were stupid. But I think every villian in db is stupid.
3. Adventuring with the worst group ever and even then the exploring was wxtrememly.tedious to the world
4. Unique isnt a word I would use to describe any of the forms or design's.
5. Why doesn't matter where the story takes place
Frieza: Looks to me that is just SS with blue hair dye.
Super Goku: Impressive right?
Frieza: Honestly it's time like these we had SS4 again.
@TheAngelic1 he doesnt need to
hhhahhhahahhahahhahah!!!!!
goku:you mean the form that had way to much going with the eye liner, inconsistent hair color for both head and body , magic appearing pants
@@darthrevan454 not really by insulting that your instulting ssj being that just spike up hair snd color yellow
@@frankspick7544
A spike up with yellow hair that Goku earned through his constant training and battles up to Frieza and the rage caused by the loss of his best friend right in front of him while rendered unable to stop it. Ya know, instead of playing Don't Wake Beerus with his good buddy Vegeta. And a spike up + yellow dye is still more than I can say about Blue or any of the new SSJ forms introduced in Super.
Puts GT in the title
Only starts talking about GT at minute 14 of 16
because he has too break down how DB > DBZ > GT works, you can't JUST talk about GT without talking about what happened in dbz
yes you can
One thing?
GT did alot of things better than super
For one it looked much better
The stakes were higher
the writing wasnt as bad (still really bad but not as bad as super)
etc etc
the stakes of gt mostly with omega if they lose to omega everything is gone
Forgot about Earth blowing up huh? Yea Bebi gave them a liveboat with Planet Tuffle but but still Piccolo stayed in hell & Goku became the next dragon
Sees reference to Half Life Full Life Consequences
Instantly clicks
I see you’re a man of taste Masako.
You should get here earlier next time!
@@Alucard65535 But the laugh over quickly so because Masako said, "Look out bro!" and ponted up to the sky!
For all of ToPs faults it really hit the dragonball nostalgia hard, goku reinacting his fight with Grandpa Gohan when he went to pick up Freeiza at Baba's, Roshi doing a final kamahamaha speech and all ..
Kamehameha
Honestly it didn't even have that many faults people are just dumb
@Alex9000
It really wasn't though what could possibly have been wrong with all of it?
There are more things :) Characters evolved instead of regress like in Super, i like Goku finally admit what he did bad and fully take it on himself (Some people say Goku is not Jesus and its out of character, but frankly, i dont like modern Goku at all and prefer GT one, Toryiama or not :) )
What do you mean
A thing he (subtly) did when he decided not to be ressurrected ( after the Cell games ) , stating that the Earth would be safe without him .
@@MarcioSilva-fk1hq Then proceeds to accept the ToP's consequences really casual like. "Oh, it's whatever, we just gotta win", he said.
Loved the Final Fantasy reference. Phoenix Down was a really good example
*MasakoX makes a good point about gt*
*DBS fans who only watched DBS Reeing off in the distance*
If Dragon Ball GT wasn't cancelled, how would its story have changed? And would it have altered any aspect of the writing of Dragon Ball Super?
No, Super was about 15 years later, not a chance.
@@KasaiWolf07 Depending on how GT might have continued, it could have certainly had a different impact on the franchise as a whole. The question is more, how much would have changed? Super itself might not have been altered much, but it's hard to predict an alternate timeline when the changes to the timeline are unclear.
@@diarawisteria2218 well the most obvious change is Beerus and Whis appearing and learning of the god forms.
@@KasaiWolf07 Are you talking about if GT's continuation would have incorporated elements of Super, then? Because I imagine Super and GT would've still been alternate continuities from each other.
Goku and Vegeta would have gotten more time for SS4.
8:53 This picture is cool af. Let me get that framed and put up on my wall. I love it.
Is it strange I actually like the part of the buu saga that involves Gohan's peaceful days?
Also, did anyone did the Happy days theme song from the title card theme from that arc's tittle card theme?
One of my favorite episodes of DBS was when Goku is sick. This allowed him to interact with his family like a normal person. I almost teared up when he was sitting on top of Gahan's house playing with his granddaughter. I hope that Goku gets more character development and learns to have fun with his family members in non fighting situations.
There was an allusion to consequences in an episode where Goku had
Delayed Onset Ki Disorder. Because he mixed Kaioken and SSB against Hit, Goku had gotten this briefly. King Kai warned Goku that if he continues being careless, this would become permanent. Before you know it Goku is using it again against Black then Jiren with no consequences.
What would have been a good follow up would have been after having MUI instead of Goku simply losing his power in the second to last episode, he gets
Delayed Onset Ki Disorder permanently. In the final episode, Goku manages to defeat Jiren (with 17 and Frieza) using some of his earliest martial arts moves (no ki, no SSJ).
Essentially the lasting consequences of Goku losing his ability to use Ki is he needs to start over from scratch. At the end of Super, he is a strong man with no Ki. Vegeta is the strongest on Earth, with Gohan in second.
In this scenarion, by the end of Z, he has regained at least SOME of his Ki (note that during the end of Z we never see him go SSJ so it's possible he hasn't reobtained the transformation). And honestly, we don't see adult Goku go SSJ in GT before being turned into a kid.
Might need a bit more work, but that's an interesting idea. Maybe ask some of the other What-If RUclipsrs to cover it, like Mondo Cool, DexComics, Plus Ultra, etc.
That even sounds almost like what happened to Sun Wukong (getting severely handicapped after he went too far with his power).
That John Freeman shoutout was exquisite.
Supers is bad because basically no matter what happens or who the enemy is, we know everything is going to be alright.
Also the lack of new (main arc) Villians, in reality we only got 1 considered they are basically the same person.
MaskoX in my opnion It would have been better if Jiren won the tournament of power because he Was Already Going Through A Positive Change in Last Fight With Frieza, Goku, and Andriod 17... it was only for that character development that allowed him to make A Decision To Revive the other unoverses and become a True Hero by doing the right thing.
agree it much more interest end to arc then got now.
WHAT IF Future Trunks couldn't return to the future or WHAT IF Future Trunks & Mai stay after their timeline is destroyed.
I would argue ‘Gete’s biggest leap in character development was in the Buu saga
Will Challoner his sacrifice is what made him my favorite character!
@@christopherfleetwood5252 What about Chaoutzu's sacrifice against Nappa?
@@ryukishi07thecreator70 Chao was never really a bad guy, not like Piccolo and 'getes were, and Piccolo wasn't as infuriating as Vegi; so while his saving Gohan moment was nice, it wasn't as satisfying as Veg's snacrifice for Trunks.
the very first episodes of GT were eh, but overall, I liked GT as a whole, i liked the shadow dragons and how it ended the serries, and to me at that point, dragon ball was rightfully over and I felt happy with it. Let's not forget that SSJ4 shits on god/blue in every single way in terms of design
What about end the series better? The ending is literally the best of all the series
I'm not okay with the way DBS is going. The Battle Royale arc was such a slog through the mud, and I mean chest deep mud, that I feel worn out. I really hope they don't decide to rehash DBS Broly inside the series like they did with BotG and Res F.
Honestly, I don't know what to think or feel.
thety ened re do borly movie for sueeis way you ask it ebnc naform there s 70 min tha don't make cut in borly movie we nee the 70 back anie only way to get it
Even in the Dvd and blueray. I was completely satisfied with DBS Broly, with the exception of "But you can call me Kakarott." at the end. If 70 mins got cut, so be it. I'm okay with that.
@@ssjgotenks2009 I think those 70 mins got put back in the DVD and Bluray release.
There is never a time when I thought that video would be referenced again, and yet here it is once more, on Masako X's channel no less.
Didn't regress character development for characters, more consistent storytelling and more importantly, understood the character of Goku
I like GT over Super. Super just keeps jumping the shark way too many times. GT shows that there are consequences to every action and limitations, including for time travel.
Alright, alright, I won’t lie:
After that Half-Life joke I’d pay good money to see an April Fools joke parodying Freeman’s Mind with Goku.
That opening though :) Loved "Half Life: Full Life Consequences"
I still like GT better than Super.
I really hate how they kept regressing Vegeta.
At the end of the Buu Saga, Vegeta lets go of his rage and pride and put his hope into Goku. He acknowledges this by calling him Goku for the first time.
But then Super comes around and he's still "ARRGH! KAKOROT!"
His " I am the best and always will be" attitude returns. I liked the GT moment he had with Super 17. "I'm an earthiling with a saiyan's pride"
I hate that they kept giving Goku the wins.. even in this own mini arc.. Goku comes and save him..
Saw your channel in my recommendation page, and thought it was an interesting topic. I have a major criticism and it's not about what you presented, as it was greatly thought out and explained, but you mentioned DBS and DBGT in the title but you spend the first 2/3s of the video speaking about DBZ. I wanted to hear more about super vs GT as I personally enjoyed GT especially the later half. Hopefully you take this criticism well. Thank you!
one thing Masako - love the guy and the content he releases by the way - got wrong is that Dende's Dragon Balls still cant resurrect more than once. He tells Goku as much when it's brought up.
I actually really like DBGT. Super Saiyan 4 is my favorite form. Much more intimidating, iconic, and had a much better introduction to the form. Super Saiyan Blue is... neat? It’s boring since it looks like normal Super Saiyan and it’s power fluctuates so much that it really doesn’t make any sense.
Finally, a good video outside of a review. Thanks for all the adds though.
Here is a neat idea... have a villain who destroys the main timelines dragonballs... all of them but not off screen... make it to where the heroes encounter the villains throughout the arc and fail to defend the wish granting orbs loosing a number of Z-fighters along the way even sending them off to the afterlife where yeah you can still see them with king kai but they won’t be able to revive anymore, and with the super dragon balls destroyed we won’t see any restoration unless Zalama comes to be involved probably setting out the black star dragonballs as punishment for mortals and gods over using and then destroying his prized creations in the dragonballs and super dragonballs
GT: Overusing the dragon balls has grave consequences.
DBS: What if Bulma was five years younger?
I LOVED the idea of the dragon balls becoming corrupted and the enemy. It makes perfect sense for how they were being used. Now, I will say, I never saw GT. Hell, I never saw all of the Buu arch. It's where I stopped watching. But I heard people have all these problems with GT and, for what I can tell, the problems came from changing too much. You can't have these Godlike powers corrupted and depower the main character at the same time. It cheapens the powers of the Dragons and creates inconsistency within the story as a whole.
This being said, I do refer back to my previous statement. I never saw GT, so I can't say what the true problem was. Out of what clips I saw, it could be that the creators just weren't treating these events with the gravity they should have, or it could have been something as simple as the theme song setting the mood for each episode. Suffice it to say, changes as substantial as the ones they tried to implement need to be handled with much more care than they were willing to give.
But they didn't change much, DBGT is only difrent, If youve never watched the OG DragonBall
GT just goes back to basics, with a simpler adventure storyline
GT overall, worked; because they scalled down most of the powercreep, While DBS just keeps adding more and more lore that will be forggoten or ignored later; just so Goku can become stronguer
Honestly, I wonder if they're going to redo GT...
John Freeman who was Gordon Freeman's brother was one day at office...
(love that Full-Life Consequences reference!)
2:27 anyone else distracted by the fly that whizzed behind masako?.
When i think back to tfs and how they made the joke about death meaning nothing its sad that its true
sick reference in the thumbnail :D
Gt fans:The one thing? Try one of the things.
The rest of the fandom:Oh my god you exist!
It's good to hear more positives things about GT ^_^
For me it's a lost cause because I'm on to bigger and better things in my life that are more in terms of the real life than fantasy life or make believe (I didn't hate GT though). I still like the "what ifs" to be fair, and I appreciate the spin on certain characters. Keep it up!
Still waiting for what if Raditz turned good to step into the Grand Tour.
Oh yeah, it's totally so difficult to imagine how one stand is faster than the other, or has more long distance attack power. It mostly comes down to how the stand user utilizes the specific abilities of their stand. I do agree that many times the stand stats don't make much sense, like they are a failed idea and don't affect that much
That's one of my biggest problems about the universe survival saga. It's by concept supposed one of, if not THE, biggest stakes of the series but was held back by
1. End of Z meaning we already know at least U7 makes it out okay.
2. The super dragon balls AKA planet sized reset buttons as the grand prize.
Was that a Gordon Frohman reference? Masako I love you!
now there's a neat whatif idea, what if goku didn't come back after cell - ever
I felt bringing master roshi back ruined all of super for me. It was heart wrenching, but a truly powerful, and most appropriate way for him to depart, to give his last to save the earth, fighting alongside his former students and friends as equals... that is when it became boring with the realization there were no consequences.
Its actually funny that you uploaded this video, Masako, I was just thinking about all of that after reading the latest DBS manga chapter and i kinda didnt even know where to vent lol.
Honestly, I wish Super would just pull a GT and get rid of the Dragon Balls somehow, I mean I know its in the name but it gets old and annoying at some point. They may as well just start grabbing those things out of the air like Goku did as a kid that one time but nobody ever bothered to do again. Also wait, on a side note : what would happen if you threw the DB's in the HPTC? (Or the ROSAT or whatever lmao.) They could probably just throw them in there for a day and really get abusing of their power lmao. Also GT did a lot better than Super tbh.
Not the only thing gt did better
You should talk about the Red Ribbon Army and how much they've been excluded and forgotten.
Honestly... with the power of hindsight I would have changed a lot of about everything past the cell saga. I like a lot of the ideas concepts, but the execution past then was sub-par. So much potential with some of the story ideas that the Buu saga, GT and even Super (This is probably my biggest reason for loving what if's so much for the Dragon Ball Universe).
Though the biggest thing I would change if I could right now is letting the next movie that is apparently coming be PAST the end of Z so that we can get something fresh that isn't limited by the Peaceful World Arc.
I know I’m late to the party but, I’d like to see the shadow dragons done better in DBS. It could work if you start the count from the end of the Cell Saga as technically this was a new set of Dragon Balls.
Just thought how to butterfly away the final arc of GT: just wash the Dragon Balls right before use with the Miracle Water they sprayed Earth with to get rid of Garlic Jr.'s mystical brainwashing. It's all negative energy after all.
waidh dragonball with wa wont wotk it only work on pope nto balls
Lol although it would have to get in the balls
It cant just be on the outside
@@gabrielchastain6091 When they gathered them for the last time in GT they were cracked, so there's that.
@@fabiomorandi3585 lol xD true but is the mist strong enough garlic jr was one thing but shadow dragons im not sure but that is funny xD that could happen
@@gabrielchastain6091 Given that the Dragons didn't show up until the energy reached critical mass, they don't even need to purify the Dragon Balls completely, just enough to be used safely once and rinse them in the Water again the next time they're gathered.
Is it weird that I like GT more than I like Super? Super's tournament arc actually pissed me off, just hated ultra instinct, got bored with the constant power ups, and worst of all, now they're introducing entirely new universes when they've barely even looked at the one their in. There has to be more to the universe than the Freiza empire, New Namek, Fake Namek, Earth, and the 2 or 3 other planets that have been shown, and yet now there are entire new planes of existence to explore?
There's a fly in your room.
Speaking of consequences, I wonder what a "Groundhog Day" like story would look like in Dragon Ball, in a menacing tone instead of just comedic. The idea being that after each "resetting" someone is missing for some reason and only the protagonist is aware they even existed.
Hmmm... it could be a bad guy doing it, or it could be an injured character going through events in a coma...
Consequences and steaks make for good character development, strong story narrative‘s, and help move The series along. The reader or the watcher needs to feel like the story has depth and direction. GT may have struggled with making the landing on many concepts but it certainly gave it a better shot than super did. Instead of the Dragon balls being way to get out of the worst situations, they are the catalyst of the challenges facing the heroes.
Omg throwback Thursday much?! I loved half life: Full life consequences 😍
I thought the Dragon Balls being corrupted was actually a good arc, at least in concept. The evil Shenrons were decent for villains that probably won't return again and it did give some consequence on the over-reliance on Dragon Balls without making them persona non grata.
Speaking of Consequences we ought to see, I still want to see some consequences to letting Frieza continue his campaign of Universal conquest/genocide, for some time after the Tournament power I could accept given what it took to get Frieza to fight, but now...
THROW GOKU TO THE LAWYERS FOR HIS COMPLICITY IN FRIEZA'S WAR CRIMES!!!!
with all the games having future trunks as some kinda time cop, i thought the anime missed a really good opportunity to make a reference to that. i mean look at all the setup they had available to link the world;
trunks became a kai, lost his own universal timeline, and felt he couldnt stay in our main timeline becoming homeless. the kai's were offering him solutions. one of those solutions could have easily been a reference to the supreme kai of time.
What if Trunks had discovered Dr. Gero's lab location and went back in time to destroy the lab when he was 1st building the Androids?
It would be great if they made Gohan a character again and have over universe characters travel around universes
He was the kind of guy who let the story evolve organically.
What a beautiful way of saying "hack who never managed to keep up with his own source material, oftentimes forgot that characters even exists and never managed to follow his own rules"
I hope they revisit the Black Dragon arc at some point. It was a great idea.
Gt fans: like the vibe from z, enjoy stories with tension and consequences, prefer actual plot heavy writing over powers, fighting, and explosions.
Super fans: enjoy the most basic shonen imaginable, prefer quick dopamine hype moments over good storytelling, gets hype at all 8 of the new transformations (I counted seriously 8 transformations?!?!) , still talks about power levels in 2022, and likes explosions and pointless fighting.
This tbh
A single sentence the effect of Krillin and Leomon.
That goku black ark is a kick in the nuts
What do you mean one? It did tons of things better.
I don't get the reference in the beginning, but it was funny af
My guess is as to why people don't care about the "consequences" of the Goku Black Saga is because it doesn't feel as one. Trunks universe ends but they give him a new one that is the same, so is like if it was restored and nobody cared. It would've been more impactful if they showed that different time line or didn't pull that off and just made him stay in the current timeline. Hell, that would be also a step to the Tournament of Power to feel like it had consequences, if he participated, everybody would be "Oh hey, we can restore Trunks timeline or restore the other universes"
Now here is something I wish we could see, either dragon balls being made in other world *could be possible if you think about it*
As well as to see the namek and namekians from the other universes.
Like the planet in universe 6,
as well as the possible ones from other universes cause we know Yardrats and Tuffles do exist naturally in Universe 2.
So while the universes are sister universe, it doesn't mean the same races don't exist in other ones aswell.
For Instance, the possible Saiyans of Universe 2 could easily be more Monkey like *More body hair, more flamboyant, more natural colors, etc*
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remember how Bulma said it was 5 years since she saw Goku well i wonder how they're getting around that
15:43 Moro: Sup
eh... while the spirit of stands holds up to what you said, it was a soft-reboot that is slightly less "casual", the stats literally mean absolutely nothing and don't make any sense. Hol Horse has an E in precision, despite being able to move his bullets in mid air fast enough to avoid Silver Chariots swords, despite being able to shoot and navigate his bullets down a pipe, despite his stand in general just being ABOUT accuracy.
They're comparative measures. The Emperor can navigate through a pipe, Star Platinum can effectively perform minor brain surgery without disrupting normal brain activity. It should be very plain which one deserves a higher rating on the precision scale, and Star Platinum does in fact rate more highly in that category.
There should be a saga about total destruction of the Dragon Balls and our heroes to rebuild them and gather them them all in a Infinity Stones style type of long storytelling. With a lot of fighting and sacrifices made along the way. Maybe in the end it is a wish everyone back to life or something but at least we had some consecuences for a couple of years.
I know you get a lot of these What-If ideas Masako, but what if Fortuneteller Baba brought Goku back from the Otherworld for a day in Future Trunks’ timeline to train him for the Androids
Ryan Jackman I’ve been saying that since I saw the Goku Black Arc. And heck, why stop there? Why not bring ALL the Z-Fighters back?
Bornheck Valid point in itself right there
I hear you regarding GT Masako, but I must strongly disagree. I may be the only one on this, at least it feels like it, but for me GT was great (and is still me favorite DB show) because I think what it did, worked. Alot of people who don't outright hate it but found it disappointing, say like you, that it had a lot of missed potential. I don't see all of this missed potential you speak of. I see a show that worked. A show that had a lot of great ideas, and executed them well. To this day, I have yet to hear a reasonable argument for the opposite.
There are plenty of reasonable arguments against how GT played out, particularly in regards to pacing. The Black Star Dragonballs Saga and the Shadow Dragons Saga are particularly infamous in that regard, although there are some interesting things about how the production of those two Sagas went down.
But at the very least, GT is decent.