Dragon Ball Super MUST COPY Dragon Ball GT - Here's Why.
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- Опубликовано: 1 дек 2021
- Now in terms of reception, Dragon Ball Super is a mixed bag for the overall fandom. You know what else was a mixed bag? Dragon Ball GT. What if these Dragon Ball series learnt from one another to make a Dragon Ball Super Season 2 which was better than either of them? Not just Super Saiyan 4 Goku and Vegeta or Omega Shenron, but a better Goten and Bulla? Pan going Super Saiyan (FINALLY), be less of a jerk and of course still retain the charm of the grand tour and stepping into it. Here's why #DragonBallSuper must copy #DragonBallGT ! #DragonBall #DBZ #DragonBallZ
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Bulla's design had me thinking she was older than Pan. Thanks for the clarification.
Haha no
I'd like to see Super Saiyan 4 in Dragon Ball Super
No KId GT Goku was great, i loved the chibi ssj variations.
5:10 - She was a badass on planet M2. She was also scary in the Shadow Dragon saga as she found Oceanus’s weakness and could’ve beaten her and Haze on her own.
Goten having a ladys man phase in his teens makes sense. Making poor decisions as a teenger doesnt make you a bad person, and someone acting like a normal teenager is a nice change of pace from the stoic battle scarred teens that are in the show
Goten being a lady's man also makes him even more different than Goku or Gohan, which is good.
Comedy relief...
It's the internet. Any human traits are hated. Just watch everyone cry about Leon in the new Resident Evil movie. Or Dante in DmC. Oh no, character development???? You ruining everything
Hey Masako. I'd like just to say we aren't just here for your Abridged Goku voice. We find you genuinely interesting and an incredibly excellent writer. You've created some stories I hold on par with arcs of super. You're an excellent creator and you're more than just a Team Four Star reference.
Thank you, pal. One is glad to be of service.
@@MasakoX My pleasure, and thank you for being so inspiring.
I second this as well
Ditto
Lmao honestly "what if gine was sent to earth with goku" is litteraly better than anything db has done in the last 5 years. Exept maybe Broly.
If you had told me years ago that we would need resources from GT to improve Super, I would have said you were crazy; you're a madlad Masako
We dont. GT sucks, and most importantly, Toriyama didn't work on it. Are people forgetting that?
Sure, GT has ideas that deserve to be reintroduced & be canon. But that's just it, reintroduced, not copied outright.
We dont. GT sucked and most importantly, Toriyama didn't work on it. Are people forgetting that?
Sure, GT has ideas that deserve to be reintroduced & be canon. But that's just it, reintroduced, not copied outright.
@@Walt_Xander94 best thing we can do is take ideas from gt not add stuff from gt
Gt had good ideas at least
@@Walt_Xander94 Gt does NOT SUCK
@@Walt_Xander94 no u
When a serious dragon ball critique starts comparing super to gt, you know it’s important.
It's wise to learn from history.
Bulla's snobbish attitude allowed her to have some great moments with her dad. I think if she also inherited her dad's pride ("im the princess of all saiyans") and saiyans love of fighting she could be a great character.
Unless Masako does a What-if, NEVER expect her to fight. Toei clearly does not want that.
Honestly, if they take way her traits of being a self absorbed rich girl from bulma and turn her into a fighting obsessed warrior like vegeta, then that's a huge disappointment. Bulla is supposed to have both traits from vegeta and bulma. The problem with her in GT is that she had everything of bulma and not from vegeta.
@@lapplandkun9273 Would be more fun to have the rich girl part but having her being able to deal stuff by herself... Unless it's shopping.
At the very least, a more GT-like Super would have more consequences/ "be careful what you wish for" vibe to it.
Thats literally the granola arc “be careful for what you wish for before someone else makes the same wish”
Most fans: “GT sucks!”
Masako: “About that…”
I mean, GT does suck. Doesn't mean it didn't have good ideas or potential. It was just executed terribly.
Gt was executed badly. The plot was good tho
@king vegeta I disagree of course. For example, plot wise, what was the point of Goku being a kid? Why is that wish somehow undone with the SSJ4 transformation? Would it make any difference even there was an explanation?
There are tons of examples like this in GT.
@@kagesoultaker do you actually hate GT as entertainment since you said that it sucks or are you not liking it but is it cool for you to say something you disagree sucks ?
@@kagesoultaker Despite being only in BT2 at the end of the Story Mode we see Goku (who was SSj4 for the entire time) reverts back as an adult which implies that they fixed that issue you are mentioning which I applaud for them doing that because the whole reason he went to adventure outer space was to become an Adult again by using the Black-Star Dragon Balls. My best guess is that they used the Namekian Dragon Balls (which is what we seen from DBGT if not mistaken to bring Earth back the way it is, and remember they grant "3 Wishes") so whatever the other 2 Wishes were it should've made Goku be an Adult again which makes sense to me for the sake of Budokai Tenkaichi 2's Version of DBGT's Story.
I was hoping super would've made Teen Trunks and Teen Goten the main characters. Give them a journey for few new arcs. Then continue the arcs with Pan, Bra, and Uub as the new main characters. Have Pan and Uub have a rivalry. Since Goku left to train Uub, have Piccolo train Pan, while Vegeta trains Bra. And Roshi and 18 train Marin. And it could lead up to a new World Martial Arts Tournament to see who's pupil is the best.
I would love to see that, it sounds amazing.
I actually didn’t mind Goku becoming a kid again. What I didn’t like about it was that he *stayed* that way throughout the whole series. I think that unlocking Super Saiyan 4 should’ve permanently reverted him back into an adult, since it temporarily reverted him into an adult anyway. Should’ve been a permanent reversion.
Agreed 100%. Goku turning back into a kid again IS actually a good idea, but I think it loses steam after a small handful of episodes. There's a certain ingenuity in swapping between hijinks with kid Goku and action with adult Goku, but adult Goku is widely agreed to just be much better all around.
@@Drag0nknight999 I’m pretty sure the explanation is that SS4 is just so powerful that it can overpower the wish that turned him into a kid, temporarily reversing it.
I suppose the criticism here would be that not every character needs to be likable. It's more important that they be relatable. A flaw is fine if it's understandable. Never seeing the flaw fixed is also fine if they're not the sort of person who goes out of their way to fix their own flaws.
"The problem with Pan is that she has no character arc" And that's different from most DBZ characters how?...
Sorry, but jokes aside, I really hope we get to see her with more stuff to do in the future
I disagree, lots of characters had their own arc. Buu making friends with Hercule, Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, Android 18. All these characters had big revelations and changed personality wise.
I think super's conclusion is making Vegeta and Goku as equals you'd understand if you are following the manga
@@jahnaviketha6300"If you followed the manga" I do, I just don't agree lol
The only character in Z that really has development is Vegeta (MAYBE Mr. Satan to a small extent, but it seems like he was always a noble individual who wanted to do the right thing, so it's debatable). Keep in mind that there's a difference between actual character development and 'stuff happens to them'.
@@SBaby Nah bro. Piccolo and Gohan has tons of growth. You could argue Gohan had the biggest character arc.
I've never understood how people thought Goku was abandoning his family at the end of Z. Like, he's massively faster than light speed, and can literally teleport across the planet at will. The rest of his family and friends are all stupid fast as well. He's basically right around the corner no matter where he is.
Probably because of the assumption that he wasn't involved with them while he was gone with Uub.
I feel like an integration for SSJ4 would work for Broly, now hear me out. Broly has been shown so far to be a more natural Saiyan then Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, etc. especially for the case of Gohan with him going his own path instead of the God stuff. With the further separation of Vegeta and Goku you could easily add Broly into that archetype and have him obtain a form similar to ssj4 especially because of his Wrath form being different and his different natured Super Saiyan. That’s just my thoughts on how they could integrate it without it being a total cheese for Goku and Vegeta to achieve. Masako if you end up reading this I’d like to know your thoughts on this.
I think in Dragon Ball Fighterz SSJ4 Gogeta mentions how similar DB Super Broly is to a SSJ4 actually lol. I'd love to see the form return
The description of his Wrath form HAD to be a deliberate nod to SS4; his ability to harness the power of the giant ape without the full transformation makes it seem like SS4 is not only a possibility, but the obvious natural progression for this version of Broly, imo.
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Goku, vegeta, and Broly are all in equal parts a saiyan bud
I like the idea of a Super Saiyan 4 who is antagonistic to Goku and Vegeta, for turning their back on their Saiyan heritage and selling out to Godhood just for power.
I recently bought the complete GT box set on DVD. I haven't got around to watching it yet, but I'm looking forward to revisiting the show. As a teen, I thought that Golden Oozaru, SS4, and the idea of the Shadow Dragons were so cool.
Unpopular opinion: I really like Goten in GT.
I don't buy into the notion that he was too jarringly different from his kid self. He's still likeable, still charming, still has good social skills, and still has a good heart. Him being a flirt adds contrast without taking away from any of his virtues and also reminds us that, yes, he's not 100% Saiyan. He (much like Gohan and Trunks) is not interested in fighting all of the time. He's half human, and therefore prone to having human flaws and human interests. Let him live, make mistakes and learn from them. I would have loved to have seen more of him in GT.
vouch. Goten in gt felt like his own character and not just a little Goku.
Absolutely agree. He’s his person now and that’s basically how he was acting during End of Z
I co-sign this as well. Goten in GT is way more interesting than he ever was in Z.
its weird though cause hes basically goku jr. so it does not fit his character imo
I enjoyed him too.
It felt like Saiyans had come very far from an alien found in the woods. Gohan struggled to fit in at that age, but Goten had become a real city boy, and it felt like Earth was truly his home.
GT is its own thing. A lot of the series stems from Toei's old interpretation of the DB Universe. DBS is spearheaded by Toyotaro and Toriyama. As you can see at times. Toyotaro incorporated some Toei ideas in DBS, like the Yardrat design from that anime while also using Toriyama's from Dragon Ball Online as well. Toriyama seems to always want to make the story of each element his way even if based on a Toei idea.
Edit: Said Tsufurian instead of Yardrat. My bad!
Don't you mean Yardrat?
@@CrystalGreymon Yeah, That's right... Thanks!
Mine would be giving more shine to the next generation (Gohan and Piccolo would be the teachers of Pan, Goten, Trunks, Uub, Maron, Bulla and possibly Broly's off spring) with obviously Vegeta, Goku. Broly and etc being shown here and there, how they are doing. Its just a thought of mine which could be adapted into a new GT like scenario
I'm just imagining Broly having a gray haired, green skinned kid that acts both extremely polite and barbaric at the same time.
I've always liked the idea of the Black Star balls, not quite the execution with the whole planet destroying thing. But these super powerful dragon balls that were The Guardian Namek's first attempt? That works for me. They aren't a thing for most the series since that character ceases to exist til Cell Saga. There is potential there for these to be interesting plot devices.
Well technically that character does exist as king piccolo wasn't assimilated, and nail was added so definitely different
@@captain_dsz6049 Piccolo has always been treated as a reincarnation of King Piccolo. And the series itself treats Kami and him fusing as him becoming that original Namek.
@@SeleneDethly that may be true but I do feel like it's a missed opportunity especially now with super for piccolo to become more relevant/stronger, and he could even have a yardrat remove nail from him if he really wanted. I still believe that even if he is a reincarnation he wouldn't have access to all the knowledge and memories he would have if he did fully fuse with dkpsr
Bre we need the shadow dragons to be fixed and re-adapted. One of people's biggest complaints about dragon ball is how the dragon balls frequently remove the tension of death (I'm not going to pretend death is the only thing that brings tension like other people, but in dragon ball it is a big deal) - the shadow dragons coming from the overuse of the dragon balls makes so much sense and helps quite a bit.
If they do that, over half the dragons need to be totally redesigned, because most of them sucked.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 I think we'd all be fine with that. Really, the only ones that could remake the same were probably eis, Nuova and syn shenron.
Or we could have more gods. I could only imagine that if a shinigami figure exists in the DB world, they might truly be a bit miffed about how casually the whole of humanity gets wiped out and restored. King Yemma might have accepted how things have gone in the past, but there is nothing to say that someone else in the celestial bureaucracy isn't just pissed and finally willing to do something about it.
@@isuckatgaming1873 rhey have to have the same names though, the names were amazing cause they spelt S.H.E.N.R.O.N and I think that's criminally overlooked.
Syn, Haze, Eis, Nouva, Rage, Oceanus, Naturon.
@@alexanderlawrence6387 that is amazing. I had no clue
Goku flying off with Uub doesn't bother me very much because in Neko Majin Z you see Uub at Goku's house with Pan and the family.
So even though he flew off with Uub he still returned home.
Goku can literally teleport.
Pan can literally fly around the whole planet in minutes.
Literally every fighter from the main cast can sense Ki, including Pan's parents.
If they wanted to find Goku, they could!
I never saw it as a big deal for like... ALL of these reasons!
I’m glad I’m not the only one who read Neko Majin z
Fashionista Bulla is actually really appealing to me. That leaves the opportunity for a bunch of fun new outfits for the Z fighters. I can also see a fun slice of life episode where she keeps on trying to make her friends and family wear outfits that really don’t fit them. Like those drip memes you see for Goku and such. The idea of Trunks sounds good to me. A humble but confident guy could be played with. I can see bits where the humble layer falls off and he’s just messing with opponents like his father. Not to the point of being dangerous, but just enjoying the fight and being prideful in a healthy way
That’s exactly what head-canon for Bura. In my fan manga she creates and puts together outfits. In it she’s starts when she puts one together for the guy she likes who is also the mc of the book
Imagin Bulla dragging Berus into her fashion while bribing him with home cooked meals from her alone.
If anything she would have the closes bond to the god of destruction.
Just think of the shenanigans she could pull
She’s my waifu. 🥰🥰🥰
@@ImInLoveWithBulla no mine :(
@@ImInLoveWithBulla also what's your pfp from?
i hated that goten didn't fight or anything in gt, but as far as character development, i always liked how he became different than goku when he grew up. he changed his hair, and he cared about dating and women and not training.
and i always thought that bulla was older than pan. i thought super either did a retcon or because gt got it wrong. i had no idea she was only 10.
i always liked the travels in space too, but because of universe 7 not having alot of planets with life left i doubt it would work. it's sad because in the tournament with pikkon they had so many different races from other planets there.
Even a Kanasan... who had literally no reaction to seeing a Saiyan who looked identical to one of the four who eradicated his entire planet.
I agree on the Goten part but I hate the hair they gave him.
Piccon💙
@@autumbreeze1129 these r the characters that should go in space UUB, trunks,pan. Gotenks would ruin detention that's why I think it's a good idea if they didn't then go then because every character they are going to fight we all know all head go things is just going to be demo so I think it would be good if UB came and I think we wish that people after that made was if Goku should disappear forever and they have to go in space to get back the Dragon balls so that they can resurrect Goku back before the one year of the earth exploded and the reason why Google comments because Goku is his master you know.
Wait, I thought Bulla was 16 in GT
An all-kids main cast could work quite well I think:
Trunks as the strategic fighter who prefers to dismantle his enemies by exploiting their weak points,
Goten as the somewhat naive heart of the group, preferring to resolve things peacefully, but a powerhouse true to his father if he gets serious,
Pan as the self-proclaimed leader the others are basically humoring, having to learn to let go of her grudges and calm down,
Bulla as the straight man among them, mainly keeping the rest of the bunch on track (also an effective tag-team with her brother)
and finally Uub, possibly torn between his immense inherited potential, and not actually wanting to be a warrior. Could be a good plot starter.
(Maybe even throw in Maron, as a kindly "team mom" type of character who mainly shines as emotional support outside the action)
The old main cast can poke in then and again when the stakes get too high for the juniors (instant transmission is a thing) and provide a dose of nostalgia. Or they show up for some 2 pages every chapter or two / 5 minutes every other episode, hinting at a background plot that doesn't seems too connected to the kids' adventures - until they story lines converge and they all come together for the finale.
Love all that!! Good stuff, good ideas
I think another shot at a Super 17 Arc could be really interesting. After the time we've spent with 17 in DBS and grown to love the character as a good guy, a plot involving 17 being forcefully brainwashed/programmed to combine with a second evil 17 could generate interesting reactions from our heroes.
Actually i was thinking something along the lines of Super 17 arc, but adding in the possible remains of the Red Ribbon army and possibly some PROPER outside influences to help make another 17 and create super 17.
Heck, maybe have a 4 v 1 with 18, Piccolo, Krillin, and Gohan fighting the mind controller super 17, while Goten, Trunks, Tien, Yamcha, and the other Z figheters take on the newly revived Red Ribbon army. It would give the crew something to actually do and have stakes vs what super 17 ended up being.
I don’t believe that would fit 17 character at this point. I mean he revived all the destroyed universes then some bad influences take him?
this easily could take the oppurtunity to introduce multiple characters as well, if its red ribbon, we could also bring in dr gero's super computer, give it a better explanation and bring in androids 13, 14 and 15, and taking inspiration from FighterZ, add 21 who is created by the super computer to be way more of a hands on and capable ring leader than 13 or the super computer, she can then devise the plan to use the dragon balls and revive the evil future 17 and bring him to the present and then do the whole fusion thing with the two androids, and instead of turning it into just a super android 17 arc make it a return of the androids arc. although i dont think that 13 14 and 15 could work because they are mentioned in canon but idk to what extent, also the computer was destroyed along with the lab but im sure that this can be easily gotten around through explaining the computer wasnt completely destroyed or theres a yet another lab since gero had a few. this is just a thought though.
Honestly, I think removing the merging and just have 17 get a power boost and brain washing would be the best way to handle a second run at this story.
@@mikegates8993 well the only problem I see with that is he's disobeyed programming before But that can be worked around as well, another thing wrong with introducing so many androids in my idea is that the story will be cluttered if not handled correctly. Similar to spiderman 3 when they tried introducing 3 new villains
I think maybe a better way to think of this is “what super can learn from GT” rather than “what super should copy from GT”
That being said I wouldn’t mind if they never tried adapting anything from GT into super or whatever is next. The tone is so vastly different. Granted I do kinda have a Bias, I have no nostalgia for GT, cuz it was way before my time. (My introduction to dragon ball was Kai and then I read the manga from there). I think that generational difference really makes me not like the tone and vibes of GT at all.
It's also just a not a good show. We can just call a spade a spade, generational differences don't really change that. It had some interesting ideas, which super should absolutely curb, but the execution was ranged from awful to mediocre.
It’s just not good and I grew up with Dragonball and when I got to gt it felt nothing like DB imo, super with all its faults had that toriyama touch you can just feel that he wrote some of it even if he didn’t write it all can’t say the same about gt.
I agree that even ignoring the time they came out in, Super is better than GT, the main reason being super tends to feel closer tone wise to dragonball more often than GT. It’s just that when it doesn’t feel like dragon ball, it doesn’t irk me with Super as much as it does with GT.
@@devilmikey00 how is the execution awful ? please give an explanation without trying to sound like an asshole ?
@@damarkomoore5236 please explain how GT is not good without this word everyone loves to use, "trash, garbage rubbish raccoon food ".
5:50 I really like the idea of there being some kind of anger over Goku leaving. this can have the side effect where she's the second strongest of the Saiyan Hybrids, training with Gohan getting training in by cheering her up.
Maybe there's no sneaking onboard the ship, maybe Pan challenges her Grandpa and gets to go on her own. Doesn't beat him, and maybe some annoyance could revolve in that.
I mean, say what you will about SSJ4 and SBH but I really don't want Super Broly to gain God power. I'd much rather he come into his own on Saiyan power and learn SSJ4, God powers are growing kinda stale and repetitive
Nice discussion Masako! Gt had interesting elements that I would like to see Super adopt such as Super Saiyan 4, the Shadow Dragons and the Black Star Dragonballs. I would like to see Goten, Trunks, Marron, Pan, Bra and Uub take the spotlight.
2:03 Goku: *gasps*
Mr. Perfect Cell: "And no, it's not barbecue."
Goku: "I wasn't thinking it!"
Mr. Perfect Cell: "Yes you are."
😆(Gotta love them 🥩.)
I'm hoping, and I have pretty strong faith given the trailer we've gotten. I hope Pan gets the big "hero moment" in Super Hero, and because the villain organization is the RR army it would make sense. Just like in the original Dragon Ball series as kid Goku defeated the RR army, his grand daughter 3 generations on also defeats the new RR army (which will hopefully give us SSJ Pan, speaking specifically about that one scene in the trailer) like, I can't be the only one that sees this potential mirror, can I? This then, opens the door for "the next generation" to take on a more of a hero role as the arcs, new arcs, move into uncharted territory.
I think the "being turned into a kid" plot could work, if it had been used on more than just Goku. Like say it was also wished upon Vegeta, Piccolo, and for a real curve ball, Freeza. Have these characters all shrunken down, their powers hampered by both the lack of muscle and form able to wield such incredible strength, something that was only briefly touched in GT, and mostly because nobody knows how to make super Saiyan 3 work well. This would mean battles requiring more strategy and skill instead of just powering up to a specific level to snag the win. And with someone like Freeza being even more concerned about his height, that would offer a lot more hilarity to the story than "Goku acts like a kid again", which would also be toned down since nothing about the wish ever implied that it affected the mind.
Also, have it only last one arc, like ten episodes, tops.
I can’t wait to see if this ages well
I hope they do more with Uub and his latent godly power mentioned in the Moro arc.
And the Shadow Dragon arc needs to happen. It just makes sense considering the dragon balls were used far more in Super than GT.
Beerus would have to get involved if that arc does become canon
I like that Goten is kind of an asshole in GT, wish we got MORE of that, not less.
he finally had some kind of character that wasn't "I'm a polite Goku!"
WAIT BULLA WAS 10?!?
That's hilariously terrible.
It's literally the reverse of Goten and Trunks in Super.
That's actually so bad 🤣🤣🤣
And on top of that, if you pay close attention to the episodes she was in, her height would literally be different almost every time they showed her! There were scenes where she would be as tall as her mom, and then she would shrink in height the very next time they showed her!
@@randallellison6421 yea.... GT had some problems to say the least lol
@@Johten yeah no joke, don't even get me started on the Vegeta punching the wall scene!
Makes more sense when Vegeta tore the steering wheel off those grown men car after they hit on his daughter …
Apparently Super’s iteration of Goku is what Toriyama originally intended. He intended for Goku to be THAT dumb from the start, apparently.
I don’t much mind Goku being a kid in GT, if I’m honest. It was something different and unique to do, and also an obstacle for Goku since his kid body doesn’t have that much stamina to hold Super Saiyan 3 or even use Instant Transmission. I do agree on Bra’s design though, it should be changed.
Ssj3 kid goku could hold the ssj3 transformation for way longer than z goku , possible even more than super goku , so I don’t know what you are trying to say there , also having a small body ( fighting wise ) is much better than having a big body because you can be more agile and swift and the opponent will have a harder time hitting you
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 Goku literally comments on it in GT.
GT was my introduction to Dragon Ball, so it'll always have a special place in my heart. There was a time when I thought it was trash though (mainly due to following the bandwagon), but now that I've given it time to think it over.....yes GT wasn't perfect, buy it was still pretty damn good. I rewatched it and still loved it.
I never have time to be at the what if live stream but maybe I can get this idea noticed here. What if Saiyans were bad at God Ki.
Workshop the title if you please but the idea is what if relative to humans and Namekians that Saiyans were bad at using God Ki, having to struggle more with it and get lower % gains of power from it so the humans and piccolo could use God Ki to close the power gap with Goku and Vegeta? God Ki was the perfect time to give everyone else a power boost but didn't, also adds a nice bit if extra room to grow being half human half Saiyan, you could explore this untapped greater potential the half Saiyans have.
The only thing I would want transferred from GT to Super is the Majuub concept and actually have Uub in general live up to his potential, instead of being another back up dancer for Goku. Keep GT Trunks and don't make Android 17 evil for the sake of it.
No, buddy majuub that will be dumb and also I hope they make it a point daikaishin help train uub as well, seeing he'll have a big role in this upcoming phase
@@maymay5600 Whats wrong with Majuub? & it is very likely that the Daikaishin will train Uub, if you reread chapter 43 the Grand Supreme Kai mentioned how it would be dangerous to teach the sealing technique he used to seal Moros magic. So its likely in the future due to Uub inheriting GPK god Ki its likely that Uub may be trained by GPK to learn this technique.
@@j.i.k2.044 I didn't care much for Majuub myself. It comes off like trying to be kid buu a little too much so now I just see him as "kid buu light". Its the same reason I don't like Goku Jr as a concept. You get too close to the thing you're coming from and now the sun burns you.
I think Goku being turned into a Kid would work if it wasn't the entire series and only for a small part of GT I mean that's what happened in other shows that had their characters get turned into kids and it worked
Maybe future Dragon Ball series could pull inspiration from Cultivation fantasy novels.
One common trope is some form of dimensional hierarchy, where beings of a certain level of power are forced to ascend to a higher dimension under cosmic law. This "certain level" is basically whenever they reach a point that they could singlehandedly threaten the stability of the universe in their current dimension. Meanwhile, the next dimension up is more stable and basically contains their power to a more normal level again. It's usually possible to visit lower dimensions after restricting one's power to the peak of what is acceptable in that dimension, but that comes with the risk of being killable in the lower dimensions if you get ganged up on by more skilled enemies or a large group of peak-power level enemies.
With this concept, Zenos could create a new universe that is stronger and more stable than the main 12 universes, and which forcefully ascends anyone that isn't a Kai, God of Destruction, or Angel that surpasses a certain power level from the 12 universes to this new universe. Here, everyone is basically nerfed to the level of Raditz arc DBZ. Sure, they can power up and fire off special attacks to their heart's content, but they're not gonna destroy the planet, just rough up a few mountains.
This would forcefully split the story of Dragon Ball up in such a way that Goku and Vegeta are stuck having their own story in a new universe for a while before they figure out how to contain their power enough to descend back down to Universe 7, giving the story time to focus on everyone else for a while. But they would probably want to make frequent trips back to the Ascension Dimension to train. There would probably be a bit of a freak-out at the beginning as everyone wonders where Goku and Vegeta are, but everyone would probably figure out what's going on from some source or another eventually, whether it's the Shenron / the Dragon Balls, King Kai, Whis / Beerus, etc.
I think it would be somewhat believable. Zenos enjoys watching strong fighters fighting. Why not aggregate the strongest beings from all 12 universes into a new, stronger universe that will enable them to train to an even stronger level of power so that they can fight even more?
Having Trunks, Goten, Pan and Bulla go on an adventure would be awesome. Having their own separate arcs and story. Also having Gohan and Piccolo with the main arcs. Have a spin off show that runs across the main show or at least movies that can move the characters along in depth and AGE!
Pan and Bulla would be at the same age, Uub would most likely be the main character, and let's be honest MasakoX, Toriyama and Toyatoro would most likely go with some of the plot points in Dragon Ball Online.
You got me thru alot with all your work MasakoX
If they bring back ssj4, i think it would work best as some kind of sub form to use with god ki, it’s basically a body that withstand more punishment than a regular sayian body, it could be goku’s way of truely mastering ui by utilizing such a form
Broly in Super is the key to ss4. His transformation explanation from his father is the concept of ss4.
9:49 GT Present Trunks also became a highly successful CEO of Capsule Corporation too as well.
Dude you really do speak for the fandom. I really hope someday Toei sees your channel and tries to get you on board with the official stuff because your ideas really would breathe some fresh life into the best anime ever made.
1:28 Teen Goten got Yamcha-ed by Kid Pan
I wouldn’t mind Bulla’s schtick being prissy but also being a legit fighter. Like. In her downtime, she’s big into trends and being fashion forward high-fashion. Good natured but a bit snobby…but she legitimately takes training and strengthening herself seriously.
I think it’d be nice to see her juggle those two worlds. Acclimating to Earth culture and being socialized as a human but trying to play into her ancestral roots.
My biggest problem with early GT is there is ZERO stakes. The show turned goku into a kid but didn't really take away his powers so he's still basically a fricken god. Pretty much every conflict in the grand tour section only happens because goku just forgets he can go super saiyan or pan gets kidnapped preventing him from attacking but usually she only gets kidnapped in the first place because goku didn't go super saiyan lol.
there absolutely were stakes.
TEAM FOUR STAR GOKU LET'S GO
0:44 You're hilarious and we quote everything you say as Goku, MasakoX.
Honestly I didn’t know you were the team four star goku when I subbed a while back. That just makes your account even better
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I quite liked the idea of Uub and Buu reuniting as Majuub.
From what I understand, no one actually dislikes the idea, they just don't like him doing nothing of substance.
love to see you do a new series, where you rewrite gt, either with or without super content
I hate that Piccolo was trapped in HFIL because the trio couldn't find the Black Star DBs. I would like to see the Tuffles make a return, the Shadow Dragons, and definitely SSJ4.
You could have been the sole person creating DBZA and doing literally everything for all those years and if the content you make now wasn't genuinely amazing people wouldn't stick around. We come for you and the wonderful discussions and writing you put out first and foremost, even if a lot of us do happen to be fans of DBZA. Hell, somehow I didn't even realize you were involved in that until like 6 months after I religiously watched most of your what ifs and discussions and counted you as one of the best in my personal rankings. We love you for you first and foremost ❤
I can't say this often enough, but if they are to take something from GT please take the Omega Shenron. If you want a reason for Mega Shenron coming back it could be the negative energy from Reviving freezer
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Goku teaching Bulla how to go Super Saiyan
You always have a unique take on these topics, your what ifs are amazing and you are genuinely an interesting host. Thanks for bringing us all so much great content
The kid Goku thing could've worked in GT if it had only been for the first arc. Once they gathered the black star dragonballs they should've wished him back to his adult self. GT had the best ending of any of the DB series too.
Or by going ssj4 just overrides the wish cause it’s that strong
@@rebelliousone3634 that's silly.
I think they should reformat the series so that the grand tour is Pan, Uub, and adult Goku. Make it so that Goku is going around, fighting remnants of the freeza force while training both of them. In the mean time, Goten, Trunks, Gohan, vegeta, and others are defending the earth. That way you can go back and forth between the two, giving uub and pan time to develop off screen. I especially like the idea of Pan acting as a new vegeta, competing to prove that she is better than this kid uub that showed up out of nowhere and took her grandpa away from her. She can still be a good kid, but giving her that competitive spirit could be interesting, though uub would need to be far weaker so she could potentially catch up
I think Pans competitive spirit works especially with Videl being her mom lol
I liked Goten being girl crazy I could relate to that in my teen years. He could play the part that Krillin did early on always looking for love just dont make him full on Master Roshi
I didn't even know you were the actual DBZA Goku VA for a while lol, i thought it was just a great impression. You make amazing content anyways. I've already fallen in love with Revelation F, and all of the other What Ifs.
The thing that I like about the Shadow Dragons is that it's the proverbial other shoe dropping, the logical consequence of how the phenominal cosmic power of the Dragon Balls had become used so frivolously. Plus it makes a fantastic bookend to the franchise (at the time, at least), where the Dragon Balls take center stage in the very beginning and again at the end.
Hey Masako, I just thought of a good “What If”, how about doing a story where Marron was trained by Krillin and 18?
wait so does masako actually do the voice of goku in abridged?
How am I just now subscribed, I’ve been watching your vids for a few months and I’m just realizing I never pressed subscribe 🤦🏽♂️
You make a lot of very sound arguments, MasakoX! Gotta agree with basically everything you're saying. Eager to see how the Dragon Team handles Super Hero and the next manga arc after Granolah the Survivor and, even, what the fallout to the Survivor arc is going to be.
I've been saying for a long time now that you can tell Earth-based stories where Gohan is the strongest there is, and where Krillin or Yamcha is your street-level Daredevil type character, if they want to, if they find the creativity for these stories, power isn't the problem, it's do they have writers that care enough and do they think these stories have an audience? I think so, but perhaps the Dragon Team isn't so sure yet. But I'd love to see them take a really big swing at it, come what may.
Hey masako, have you ever thought about comparing dbs anime goku to dbs manga goku to highlight the differences and similarities? Could make an interesting video.
Wumbo sauce is right right Masako. Ive watched and listened to many of your videos, and really enjoyed them. You are for more than a tfs voice. Never forget that.
Masako, just want to say I found your channel before I found abridged. I love your what ifs and in depth analysis. The team four star Goku is more of a nice bonus for me anyway.
Bulla is actually 8 in the Japanese version and 13 in the English version. Because I checked the timeline and Bulla was born 3 years before the Peaceful World Saga according to the years in the timeline, and GT takes place 5 years after said saga in the Japanese version and 10 years in the English version. Pan, being a year older than Bulla, is 9 in Japanese and 14 in English.
Holy crap i didn't even know you were the abridged goku voice actor, I just like your dragonball videos
Great conversation today. Honestly, I was kinda skeptical of it but you hit the nail on the head.
I always visit this Chanel for the epic storytelling & voice acting that accompanies these ‘what if’s’ and general good time.
Hey now, GT Goten was just trying to repopulate the Saiyan race as best he could.
So just a question. How old were Goku and Vegeta at the end of super
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@MasakoX Have you tired of the TFS version of Goku? I feel like I sensed some exasperation when you did his voice.
I'm so dumb, all this time I thought the GT stood for generations. Even after hearing step into the grand tour I thought it meant generations. Anyway I think the concept of the black star dragon balls along with the shadow dragons would definitely be an interesting change to happen in the future. And yes PLEASE give more attention to other characters, its starting to get old lol. Love the video MasakoX and have a great day if you read this!
In terms of the grand tour theme they have now several univises to play with. giving the idea far more scope than gt could ever get and using fan favorites from the universe survival arc as cameos and expanding thier lore.
In other words;: Reject Godhood, return to monke. Go Super Saiyan 4!
I'm a huge fan of ledgic. I always felt like he should have joined the adventure. He was under used and gave both a nostalgic and bad a$s feeling.
Hopefully you don't get too many people who sub solely for your role in abridged. That's how I became aware of you. But you have your own soul in your videos, and are very capable of doing independent work. You are by far my favorite dbz youtuber.
Other than the fan fiction-tier naming convention being used for no reason, Super Saiyan 4 really was a fantastic form
It perfectly nails the 'peak Saiyan' theme, and was easily the most fitting power ceiling, until Super gave Goku and Vegeta their own more personal character-motivated transformation techniques
I will admit, I found you through your work with TFS... which I think is fair. But I'm not here _just_ for DBZA Goku. I'm here because I really like your content and the what ifs you do are very enjoyable.
Maybe we can have Broly turn into a Super Saiyan 4 or have Super expand on the wrathful form Broly displayed
Hi Masako, I’d actually like to see certain things be taken from GT, but kinda reworked a bit to be more in line with what Toriyama would do. The ideas you mentioned here might actually work in that regard, but unless Toei decides to do something with those ideas, there’s no way to really know
Honestly, I started watching and took interest in your various alternate timeline Dragonball videos even before knowing you voiced Abridged Goku.
I would love except
Gt wasn't written by Akira and therefore the writing was different and I like it that way
If Akira rewrote gt into super I am concerned he would damage it or make it something it's not or completely change it
And it would give people who dislike gt even more things to call the original gt non canon
And I'm just not up for that
Like alot of things like the shadow dragons not all having to be super strong opponents to be a dangerous problem or the ending of gt may be changed in a way I am not a fan of and it will put on a petestal above tHe original
Similar to how Super broly changed broly Is character and while he is likeable he is completely different from the original.z broly who was a savage monster and didn't have a bad back story like people think he did because they could not understand the simple meaning
I'm not sure if I want a super adaption of gt I think they should leave it seperate
It would also cause more confusion aswell
Alot of the elements of gt discounted here I really like and love and it would all get thrown out the window because the majority can't find a way to like it like gt fans do
I personally love diva Bulla, both in personality and her design. (Age errors not withstanding... I'd prefer her being aged up.) Bulma's wealth makes it a natural fit, and Vegeta navigating having a headstrong daughter was always a hoot. I mean, the mustache debacle?? "Total geek!"
Also, I LOVE GT Goten. As Totally Not Mark has said, he's not an asshole about his dating, he's just playing into it. The Son family genes are strong lmao. He feels slick, but he's still a good guy I feel.
I actually agree the Grand Tour aspect of GT was a genuinely good idea! I think with a more complete cast and a better narrative through-line, a galaxy adventure arc with the young bloods would be great!!
I love SS4. Everything about how it worked made sense as an upgrade from SS3. SS3 was already too powerful for the saiyans bodies to use easily so instead of just directly upgrading the power again the tail and the oozaru transformation were used to actually upgrade their bodies.
How about Bulma stops blaming Goku for everything when SHE'S the one that first told him about the powers of the Dragon Balls? Also if I may make a suggestion, this isn't a 'should' as much as a 'what-if'. The way this is titled feels like it's clickbait.
Eh, things usually kinda are Goku's fault. He and Vegeta tend to make things worse.
Given that comment about the TeamFourStar Goku voice, I'm curious; Are you starting to get a bit tired of doing that voice? I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people came to you asking to do some Goku noises and I would be far less surprised to hear that being known for that voice and that voice alone would be a bit grating after a time.
I love how Masako basically just said to make Bulla into Rarity
I'm going to be honest with you Masako, while "Muffin button" is my go to answer when I don't have an answer to something I wouldn't know anyway, I watched many episodes of yours with out realizing you were in DBZA. The first video of yours it recommended was actually If Krillin was a Sayian part 1.
I promise you, your content is why I'm here.
While I am grateful I was introduced to Your work through TFS Goku. I love Your deep dives into the lore, the goings on in hapter and especially Your What ifs
I like GT Goten, I don't think he really loses the nice guy motif in being into girls. He's a teenage boy, makes more sense that in peace times this is how he ended up. Idk I think he's more of his own character than DBZ and DBS Goten
If it was me I'd have Kid Bulla start her own street gang.
Really double down on the Princess of Saiyans in her. Sure she could love shopping or she could love stealing and fighting because she's the Princess and whose going to stop her.... Whether trunks, bulma or vegeta catches on about her secret or she gets in real trouble first there's a story there. And then she gets grounded so Pan comes to visit her regularly and bulla trains with pan/tries to make her a badass
I think GT/Teen Goten could be like a mix between Deku and Gon interms of personality