10 Things Dragon Ball Super DELETED From The Plot
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2021
- #DragonBallSuper FAILED the likes of Krillin, Trunks, Yamcha and even Majin Buu quite often. Moments when the #DragonBall plot aimed to give us something and then didn't. The classic bait and switch. Today we discuss 10 times when Dragon Ball Super failed to deliver on its plot, like with Future Trunks in Episode 67, Krillin and his new power as well as Roshi's improvement into a better person. The Tournament of Power was but one instance of this phenomenon. Join us! Plot Holes in Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super? Definitely! #DragonBallZ
10 Times Dragon Ball Super FAILED Its Characters
Dragon Ball Super: 10 Times It FAILED Its Characters
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Hey folks, MasakoX here. Now one of the things that really grinds my gears within a story is something that we expect to happen or has been hyped up...doesn't happen. Granted, there are times when that's intentional and part of the plan. Toriyama is famous for his subversive tactics which led to surprising and engaging moments in the story; something which would make you think outside the box or be fresh in an otherwise dull world...that's not what we're referring to today. Instead, what I would like to talk to you about are the times when those things happen...but can't be explained away...or feel lacking and unsatisfying. Or even downright infuriating.
Yes, Dragon Ball Z had this going for it too but Dragon Ball Super was the first Dragon Ball series in which I was actively looking for things like this. And I can name many things that I saw in the series which never got addressed; not even getting an copout excuse or reasonable conclusion. You can check out our video on times when Dragon Ball had to write themselves out of a corner up top! Today we'd like to share 10 instances where we got a good old bait and switch...or worse, just the bait...and nothing else. Believe me, there are times like this which REALLLLY left me angry. Let's begin in no particular order.
1) Vegeta Losing His Biggest W
2) Trunks' Fate
3) Krillin's Big Power-up
4) Yamcha...That Was Just Sad
5) Freeza's Opportunity to Bring Down The Gods
6) Where Golden Frost?
7) SKINNY BUU
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Thanks for watching! Can you think of other times when Dragon Ball Super let its characters down?
Alot of times, tbh.
Hello
I am third and the video was good.
Vegito both times
Cell never came back
Piccolo should have gotten a namekian God form
Goku Black arc ended badly
Jiren backstory is mediocre
Moro senzu bean
Granolah being too strong?
That one chapter where yamcha with the "galatic police force" got to shine and not be a stupid meme is still imo the best thing super has ever done.
As a legit Yamcha fan that chapter is one of my all time favourites in the series
Same, wish it could lasted longer though.
@@djbubblegum9975 If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading Dragon Ball Elsewhere. It's a fanfic manga centered around Yamcha that's been ongoing since the 90's.
@@chriscannon8144 i love how it brought my two favorite underdog characters; Nail and Yamcha to train together.
@@EclipseHedgehog That wasn't the one I was talking about, but I remember that one in particular as well. Wish there was more like that one.
About Buu being in the tournament too, I think there is a way we could have had skinny Buu AND Freiza. Since the old supreme Kai is still inside of Buu, you could make the argument that he's a godly entity, at least partly, and therefore he wouldn't be eligible to compete. They could have even had it be a whole thing, with the Supreme Kai submitting his roster choices, and the head priest saying they can't use Buu, or maybe after the exhibition match the priest would say Buu can't participate officially because of the "no gods" requirement, then everyone would panic and try to find someone as strong as him to take the spot and falling back on Frieza because of that, anything is better than "lol, he fell asleep I dunno"
For real! That would have at least been a more interesting reason
Or they could've had a Majin Buu of another universe
@@JoeFanik pretty sure they would need a member from their universe to take part in t.o.p
@Overto he was a candidate to be a god
This would have also served as foreshadowing for the moro arc where we actually see grand supreme kai and see him come out of boo
Lets not forget that 18 was almost the first eliminated in the tournament of power, she was about to grt knocked out when Krillin saved her, but they still made Krillin look like a joke when he was first out
Oh man...I DID forget that. Can you imagine the ire if that actually happened?
Frieza needs to grow 5 cm before he can deal with the gods.
priorities Masako, priorities
+001 Just ask Commander Red, he knows how this works!
I'm not trying to defend Roshi's... antics, but I must point out that his training to make himself less... inappropriate didn't occur in the Super manga, and therefore it's unfair to say his recent character development was undone in the Moro arc because it technically didn't happen prior. If the Moro arc is ever animated and that one scene with Roshi isn't changed to reflect his anime-exclusive character growth however, then I will fully support your anger, because it will be 100% valid. Otherwise, I agree with all your other points.
Facts I hate when people rag on the manga for not paying attention to the anime
As if manga cares more for the anime rather than its own manga continuity
@@sidecharacter3193 I hate when an anime deviates from the manga so much that it's not canon. At this point Bleach has better continuity with it's manga than Super does.
I was looking for this comment!
Also, Roshi returned to his former self in the anime ToP itself too when fighting against Caway from U4, so even of the manga followed the anime continuity it wouldn't have been a problem of the Moro arc.
@@JKurayami The Manga is not canon also
@@passarovoador6662 I'd say it's pretty canon. All the story points are written by Toriyama, but Toyotarou has liberties in saying how they are carried out. It's as Canon as The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are.
Future Trunks almost sealed Zamasu, but SOMEBODY had to forget the sealing tag.
God damn it writers!!
it wasn't even supposed to happen. Goku was the one meant to seal Zamasu (and still fail). In fact, if you look at the manga, you start to realise that Toriyama didn't design the structure of the arc to feature Trunks as a relevant character aside from introducing Black to Goku and Vegeta. It was Toei's decision to give him a prominent role as a fighter, even by powering him up to ridiculous levels, which I find very funny since in the end the arc just throws everything we've been fighting for to the trash anyways.
Trunks doing mafuba was the most stupidest thing ever
At least in the manga Goku was to use the mafuba but instead of forgetting the talisman he took the wrong tag
they ruined trunks character, he was my favorite one before the goku black arc
The Dragon Ball franchise failed Tien, Yamcha and Chiaotzu. What was the point of reviving them?
2 words
Filler episodes
A franchise with the capability of fusioning characters and giving them new forms. Should we use this to renew our cast and revigorate old characters? Nah, lt's give goku white or pink hair and a fuzzy aura and call it a day.
Empty fanservice, because people are lenient enough with modern db to let that happen...
Tien is the strongest earthling too toriyama is pathetic
@@AlexTheDominator1453 My main problem with dragon ball itself is that the earthling characters can't keep on and them they get useless, make them a little more stronger like: making the humans being more able to hold on Kaioken for longer or make them with Earth magic techniques that only truly humans can learn
The fact that Krillin only fights when he's bald.
That thumbnail is just... Glorious.
The end of the Black arc was easily the most infuriating part of Super. The genocidal blue brat can also piss off. Biggest villain in all of Dragon Ball. Also wasn't a fan of how they reduced Gohan to a joke for most of Super.
This is a long standing issue with Dragon Ball. It has a history of ripping character development moments away from anyone that isn't Goku. Shame too since db has so many unique and fun characters
True
So true, I love seeing them fight again from time to time, but it feels weightless when there's no development to back it up, if that makes sense.
Absolutely agree about Krillin, he had so much potential after finding the no ego powerup, but noooo, they had to make him a joke AGAIN
It was such a nice looking powerup for the Krilldawg too. I wonder what the name would've been if it was a legit power up.
I agree I wish they would have expanded on Krillin’s No Ego Zone potential with its ability to have ki imbued fists. I would have also liked to see Krillin gain a enlightenment transformation based on his status as a monk where he gains a orange aura and the six dots on his head shine where his fighting style embodies a monk enlightened person.
@@alcatrazvongola I would call it Enlightened Monk Martial Artist
@@Eric-gp3hi I can imagine Krillin getting another powerup involving six or eight arms around his body like a Buddha statue or something like that.
+001 That would be cool and it'll serve as a nice contrast with how Tien has his third eye. And then just imagine the fusion!
Dragon ball has failed Tien so many times it doesn't even get mentioned anymore
I agree with you Masako. There are many times where Dragonball Super failed a lot of the Dragon Team. The one that affected me most was Future Trunks not staying in the main timeline and being a big brother to Present Trunks and Bra while having a friendly rivalry with Gohan. I would have liked to see Future Trunks have a kid with Future Mai which would be a good rival for Pan!
That's really good, but it'd be hard to write him into the ToP, or any other arc for that matter. There's too many "main characters" to juggle with Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and for the ToP Android 17 and Frieza. Trunks would just end up taking Roshi or Piccolo's spotlight and ultimately be disappointing. Unless they wrote him off as "he's from the future so can't participate" but imagine the hate that would get. They already get enough flak for what they did to Buu and Gotenks.
GIVE ME MORE YAMCHA THAT ISN'T GAG RELATED!!!!!!😭😭😭😭😭
Honestly this problem started already back in Dragon Ball Z
one day we’re going to have to explain why Super Dragon Ball Heroes & Dragon Ball Super Super Hero are 2 completely separate things with almost identical titles, which wouldn’t make any logical sense to anyone outside the DB community
I am against overcensorship in any form of media (boobs make us healthy, deal with it) but I am proud that Roshi graduated from being a coomer. It only took him over 100 years
any censorship is bad look what its led to in the west why do you think anime is so popular its because all our stories are trash and over censored dragon ball super is a perfect example its not a great show its not awful but not great in any way. People love it cuz everything else is garbage tier now so anime even its mediocre stuff is way better because of the creative freedom they have
How much different do you think Dragon Ball would've been if Toriyama wasn't that much into gags and was more into storytelling?
+001 Basically if Dragonball was more like Chrono Trigger or even more like the Dragon Quest series essentially.
......yep.
It would be an actual story with progression...
Or maybe a balance of gags and good storytelling
It would have ended after the first storyline in the beginning, like he originally intended.
@@bulbasaur15 those examples make zero sense.
Frost is even a joke in DB Legends, where he somehow loses to Form 1 DBZ Frieza. (The power scaling in that game makes no sense sometimes).
Shoutouts to Bardock in that game.
Also the thing not mentioned here, in the sparring match between Ultimate Gohan and Goku. Gohan heavily implied that he was going to find a new power from his Human side, going a different path than Goku’s Angel route and Vegeta’s God of Destruction route. And then… nothing. We all expected Gohan to get a new form in the Tournament of Power, but nothing happened and he’s stayed mostly irrelevant.
That felt like a bait and switch to me.
We got Gohan Blanco lol
@@incognito4971 there's still the buff thing that roshi did he could learn, he could also try to find a new power with potiental unleashed. or maybe gohan can ask goku to teach him kaioken. so why it is true that gohan doesn't train much, it's unfair for gohan fans to see gohan train for the next threat, only to not have a new transformation or anything.
@@BagmenXL Fax! I was at least waiting on some sort of Potential Unleashed Mach 2 (especially after seeing his 7 Level Dragon Install from Fighters)
Dragon ball is one of those series where the creators aren't afraid of letting their fans down
I'm gonna be honest, this idea of the grand priest and angels were plotting something against Zeno, I have no idea where people got this idea from. As far as I remember, something like that was never even implied. It kind of seems like fans got an idea in their head, decided it was canon, and are now mad that it's not.
All bc they made the grand priest and some of the angels look creepy in some shots lol
I know there are many you could have included with a longer list, but the failure to revive Cell seems like one. I know, I know: Cell is too time consuming to draw... if only it was established that Cell's physical appearance could radically change as he grew in power. Toriyama could literally drop the spots from Cell, keeping everything else the same, and call it a power up a la Super Saiyan saving him from having to ink in Saiyan hair!
tbh i feel like frieza was the much better pick only because of frieza and his capabilities and him being stronger than cell.
Then what they would have to do with cell I'm sure he wouldn't have much interest in redeeming himself atleast freeza could work as a better plot device if he wouldn't have to fight directly with our characters like in dbs:broly and now in the granolah arc so imo freeza is a much better choice narratively though I think it could have been better if resurrection f didnt exist
With respect to Future Trunks, I can even accept the "bad future" ending, with Xeno having to erase it *if* it had been used to bring Future Trunks, Future Mai, Future Bulma, and a few other survivors to our timeline as refugees.
Feel like getting another What If from Supers' shortcomings? Do a "downer" ending correctly, while reinforcing the danger a rogue god abusing wishes can do, and how important Xeno actually is. Plus, double Bulma!
Exactly, having a real consequence and permanent characters to play around with, instead of deus ex machina's on top of deus ex machinas.
Screw the tournament, I wanted to see what the kids were doing on 17's island
anything to cut away from that damn void of nothingness for a second
I actually liked the green colour sky of the other world tournament with pikkon better then the dull look of the void realm
They have that in Dokkan Battle
man, this series has so much, like, net 0 character progression, which is honestly more frustrating than no character progression. it's like teasing you with the idea of a character changing and growing and then snapping back to their prior status.
it feels like they're too afraid to have characters progress at all, because if their personalities change even a bit then everyone will stop watching the series.
Toei didn’t make enough of an effort to maintain character continuity between episodes. Being a collaborative project, it takes just one inattentive member of the writing team to botch and undo what effort has been made to progress the characters
@@welshlout3400 from what I understand at this point is that it's mostly just Toyotarou writing and Toriyama supervising, so I'm not sure if that excuse really fits. and either way, even if there were more writers working under them them it's their responsibility to make sure the story is at least _somewhat_ cohesive.
from where I'm standing it really seems more like the decisions to never progress the characters too far from the baseline is deliberate.
@@darkychao If we’re talking about the manga exclusively it obviously doesn’t add up. Like you say, that’s basically a solo operation and Toei has no involvement there.
I guess I assumed you were talking about the anime series when you said “watching the series”. In which case, yeah, that’s the problem. Multiple writers.
The issue isn't just in the writers... it's in the setting, a midquel set before the end of Z...
This alone murders 70% of the stakes and actual development of characters... then there's also the fixation in maintaining the status quo...
@@darkychao nah it’s toeis fault
Toyo and tori did nothing in the sine they mainly work on the manga and there the characters do get progression
Zamasu winning was actually important. Every single DB story ended with the good guys winning and everything going back to normal. It's too predictable so this time it was different. It created the uncertainty in the story's outcome that it really needed.
yea but it was executed so poorly
But the good guys did win, and everything went back to normal. It was just more contrived than usual.
Agree with all of them aside from the Grand Priest one not sure that was really bait and switch. Fans theorized about it so much without barely any signs of it
Super should have left 17 out and used Yamcha. Just say he did secret training too and used it to be more defensive since everyone else goes offensive. That way he could have the energy shield. 18 still could have saved him by saying he coached Krillin all throguhout their relationship so she'd be very endeared to him. Make Yamcha great again basically and give him SOME redemption. Can you imaigne Yamcha as the joke he is but then being the one to save ALL the universes? There, redemption done and joke gone.
I think Yamcha should replace Master Roshi instead since it would make sense for him to be stronger than Master Roshi.
@@blacksmoke6292 That would be good too but it's more emotional and character saving if he takes 17's spot.
@@TerryB01 eh, I dunno man. 17 would've been a lot useful than Yamcha, even if Yamcha was a badass type character.
I disagree, Yamcha should have replaced tien. I actually really liked 17’s inclusion.
@@blacksmoke6292 That's why I said Yamcha learned the energy shield move.
13:09 Masako finally brings up the El Grande Padre meme!
I think it would have been cool if Roshi did pass away and Krillin succeeded Master Roshi as head of the Turtle School as well as spurring on Gohan to research his maternal side of his family as it is said that Chi-Chi is the grandneice of Roshi adding backstory and depth to the Son Goku family.
Toriyama really missed the occasion to make Trunks fight in the ToP to wish back his own timeline. I know that would open up some potentially convoluted wish-desiring, but having him be the one to save everyone in the end after having failed to do so in the past would be far more compelling than featuring 17, who was there only for fanservice.
i don't fully know how i would've handled it but i would've had the ending be ambiguous to where trunks & future mai went(or have whis lie about the "2 trunks" to not worry vegeta and gohan too much.) with it eventually revealed he's in the time patrol like in online(it is technically canon unless toriyama wants to change it.) with him being given back his timeline from chronoa for his deeds.(can understand not bringing back his timeline cause it might bring zamasu's soul/would've likely been traumatized seeing multiple universes at risk from goku after losing his but he deserved infinitely better.)
future trunks is overrated, 17 deserved the spotlight for once
@@MoojinBoi Future Trunks is a good character they completely butchered in Super. Him being in the ToP would have at least been a decent attempt at reediming him.
17 is piece of wood that has nothing to do with anyone or anything going on at this point, has been mentioned to have a family we've never seen just so that we could """"care"""" about him, and re-added only because Toriyama went "oh, remember 17? He's still alive! Wouldn't it be cool if we just brought him back out of nowhere, mega strong for no reason, and made him with the Tournament? Fans will love him".
Vegeta deserves to demolish and annihilate Frieza after everything he put him through growing up. Super is destroying the characters, most of them just feel so regressed and don't get me started on the blatant overuse of Frieza.
Hard disagree that Japan needs to change anime to appeal to the rest of the world, that's colonizer thinking
Most people like anime BECAUSE it's different
Agreed. I would rather read a fan translation of a manga or watch fan subs of an anime unreleased outside of Japan than to see an author forced to cater to the whims of people who will never run out of things to complain about for the sake of a western release.
I've seen enough drama over series like Uzaki-chan, Nagatoro, and MHA to ever think that trying to appease the rest of the world would be worthwhile.
@@mgskid Seconds, really don't like the idea of one or more country telling another country what it can or can't do.
I would hope most people don't like anime specifically because of sexual harassment.
colonizer thinking is a bit far
They can do what they want, sure... but if they want to survive and keep getting serialized (spoilers, they do) than they know that there are consequences for actions. Not sure how this is a hot take.
My response to the title: ONLY 10?!
This is why you dont write week to week, things quickly get messy and a sustained story falters
The Krillin one infuriated me the most. They gave him an arc to rekindle his love for martial art, just to make a joke out of him later on.
Finally someone else talks about Nigrishi, one of the characters I was most excited to see in the tournament and he did nothing
Facts..although I would have loved Bergamo to get more shine too as well as the bird guy roshi fought. I would have liked if all the universes has at least one guy that was top teir..like a serious threat to even goku and vegeta
@@darrellsimon4462 fully agreed. And in reality those types of characters were only present in universes 6 and 11 all the other universes were weak, universe 3 had to fuse 5 characters to be an actual threat to a weakened goku and vegeta 😂
Pretty sure frizea changed his mind mid tournament or his plans to undermine the gods required the wish from the super dragon balls which he couldn't get so he went back to his usual routine.
frieza could gather them now, though if he got one of those universe-traversing cube things. and a radar ig
@@tiablue9106 But he has no idea where to get one and they're usually around gods of destruction and angels not to mention how is he gonna move and take the planet size dragon balls with him to other universes?
Frost was in the anime at the end of the ToP when everyone was happy they got revived. No clue about the manga
If I remember correctly Frost was never deleted mid tournament in the manga so no problems there
Funny, you loved episode 89 in your episode reviews and didn't mention that it made you uncomfortable at the time. Are we sure we aren't looking back with modern eyes and assuming our current views are the same as what they were?
Its not like dragon ball abridged fit in with 2021 political correctness to the point tfs winsed at old jokes they made just a few years ago.
They are cartoon characters, roshi is fine.
The super saipan blue + kaioken consequence thing. Goku had only a small chance of even surviving the attempt of that technique. I remember the filler episode after the universe 6 tournament where goku was feeling the effects of using it. I thought it was interesting to see consequences to Gokus reckless pursuit to get stronger and wondered what kind of effects this would have on the narrative going forward. Maybe progression won't be so linear this time around. Maybe they'll have to find different ways to get stronger other than raising their power level. Of course everything was fine and was using kaioken blue left and right in the next arc.
It felt so good to see that. I even made a meme but then they spoiled it after with drawbacks
Goku using SSB Kaio-Ken against Hit: not only does Goku suffer the typical muscle strain of the kaio-ken, but his ki is irreversibly impaired for a while afterward to the point where he can’t even fly right
Goku using SSB Kaio-Ken against anyone after that: consequences schmonsequences
I never actually believed the GOP was going to become evil.
Mostly because...well...what do you do then? The stronger fighters in the tournament wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as Whis, let alone the GP. How could the heroes win when faced against someone like that?
The fact that Android 18 kicked away Super Saiyan Blue Goku's Kamehameha was stupid.
I thought it was confirmed that she kicked his hand away, thus negating it.
@@_XVIII_ I thought Goku was obviously holding back. I mean, even Krillin was pushing it back, for a moment.
@@blacksmoke6292 Either way, 18 stopping it makes sense.
OH yeah, the way that Krillin was treated in the tournament just infuriated me. Krillin has always been shown to be VERY smart, sly, and a clever tactician.
Remember, it was Krillin who figured out the details to get the team to Namek, and has consistently seen things clearly that all the others missed. Seeing him taken out by a cheap shot from Frost like that just pissed me off.
But as for the idea of a plot against Zeno by the Grand Priest and the Angels... I never saw any kind of hint of that ANYWHERE. And I am always seriously baffled as to where this idea came from every time I see it mentioned on the Internet... there wasn't the tiniest hint of this idea ANYWHERE in ANY of the Dragon Ball Super that I watched; maybe I was just watching a different show than everyone else? So this idea that there was some kind of bait and switch or big letdown from the story not following up on its hints of "the Grand Priest's sinister plot against Zeno" is just something I just can't even comprehend, because i never saw the slightest evidence of the idea in the first place.
Could ANYONE out there point out just which episodes they believed contained hints pointing to the GP plotting against Zeno? Because otherwise I'm going to stick with my current conclusion... that the whole idea was all just a load of fanfiction fever dreams that some Internet fans came up with on their own, and convinced themselves (and almost everyone else, apparently) that they had actually seen some kind of evidence for it in the show. Because I didn't see squat.
The only reason ppl made that theory was bc of the grand priest and a couple angels looking all ominous in some shots lol or like they had investment in the universe erasure than just bc the zenos wanted to do it. Also ig some ppl thought the grand priest seems like he’s putting on a happy face (for the zenos). But yeah, the theory was based on little to nothing and idk why so many fans expected some big coup-guess they connected it to frieza’s planned coup considering the angels were the only others in place to pull that off. Now it just kinda makes u wonder why they kept making the grand priest look creepy
@@tiablue9106 OK, thanks! I GUESS that must explain it, even though I never noticed anything that lead me to believe there was anything sinister going on with the angels.
My guess is that the ominous looking shots were just a way to make the Grand Priest seem like he was a really big important person in a position of power, and the way to do that in Japanese culture is to portray them as cool, mysterious, and maybe even slightly sinister at first.
Remember how Shin/Supreme Kai was initially portrayed back when he first appeared at the beginning of the 25th World Martial Arts Tournament? With narrowed eyes like he was hiding something, and just generally coming off with a slightly sinister vibe? Of course, it didn't take all that long for Shin to switch to being all wide-eyed and awed at the sheer power of mere mortal Saiyans, but up until that point he acted all all narrow-eyed and inscrutable.
That was the same thing they were trying to go for with the Grand Priest, and I recognized what they were going for immediately as the same kind of Japanese cultural short hand, but I guess it just SAILED STRAIGHT OVER the collective head of online Dragon Ball fandom?? You would THINK that most Dragon Ball fans would've recognized such a Japanese cultural trope, being people who SHOULD have a pretty good grasp of Japanese cultural storytelling signs that show up a lot in anime... but I guess I was mistaken and they just didn't get it?
I was pretty forgiving about most of these but I draw the line at Infinite Zamasu. Had to agree with you: Trunks was wronged here.
Worst part was they kept just making it worse. What with sending Trunks and Mai back to a point where other versions of them already exist.
my man masako is posting more in a week than expected
you absolute madlad
"A ghost, a turd, in the wind" cue venom 2 trailer
I hate how Tenshinhan is basically given nothing to do. The guy is the one human who never stopped training, was all about self improvement, who was determined to somehow compete with the Sayians and Namekians . . . and he's shown being a terrible teacher who evil Roshi can just slap aside.
Why not have Tien come back having figured out the Kaioken, how to get a bigger boost while having less of a strain on the body. Why not have him combine the Kaioken and Kikoho to create the raw power to make his signature technique even more devastating? Why not remember all the techniques he had in Dragon Ball , maybe have some new ones thrown in? Why not have him actually focus on becoming more skilled and technical focused so he can compete with stronger opponents by being a superior martial artist? Why not remember he's psychic? So much potential, so little payoff.
Toriyama likes gags more than character growth, remember?
So because Dragon Ball, a franchise that you love, has gained prominence on a global scale Toei should begin catering to the tastes of people outside of Japan? If that were to happen Dragon Ball would no longer be Dragon Ball, and I'm shocked to hear you insinuate that it should be.
Bro when he started talking like that it took me aback
As much as I like Super, they dropped the ball hard with these decisions: The Pilaf Gang's rushed redemption (and it doesn't help that Mai is developing feelings for kid Trunks because her future self is with Future Trunks) and Goku forgetting the Urn Seal.
Thank you masakox for making me angry at moments that I blocked from my memory
At least you CAN block them from your memory.
"And most of the time, the Japanese carry on regardless despite the world actually telling them to, you know, not do that!"
And I love 'em for it. When it's just entertainment.
Dragon Ball Super ruined Future Trunks when they dyed his hair blue and slimmed him down.
Toyotaros interpretation of caulifla was an absolute character assassination. He left all of her flaws and removed all the good traits she had. One of the main reasons why I hated his version on the ToP arc
What were her good traits to you? 🤔
@@josephbriggs2257 I'm quite curious as well.
@@josephbriggs2257 toyotaro turned her from a genius into a mook for one, destroyed her relationship with kale, got rid of the mentor dynamic between Goku and caulifla, and then made her out to be some kind of asshole. Also she's a complete weakling in the manga which again destroys a major part of her character.
@@wolvekrome2475
I see. I always just thought Caulifla’s anime variant could easily work by itself, but just not in the ToP’s setting, which is the real issue a lot of people have. The situation is too, well, “serious” for someone like her, Ribrianne, and even Jiren to actually work well.
I kind of just wish we got introduced to her via Vegeta going to Sadala and letting Goku tag along for funsies.
Kale was pretty coolin the Manga though
Let's take a moment to realize how 8 points out of 10 were due to the anime having to create ton of filler because Toriyama gave the team jackshit to work with...
You covered many reasons why I don’t care for Super beyond you.
Ok that Thumbnail is plain Hilarious!
for me, the biggest disappointment is that the two Zenos thing didn't go anywhere
Not just Future Trunk and Mai but ALL of their timeline got screwed so badly.
They could have used the ending of the Black saga to introduce Trunks as time patroller Trunks. Could have been a nice touch, Whis sending him to work with the Supreme Kai of Time due to him being a person displaced in time and space. Would be a cool nod to DBH and Xenoverse.
6:41 I actually... didnt even realize that was a power up. I thought it was just a visual thing lol
The thing about Argentina and Muten Roshi was stupid, bending over to the moral guardians is NEVER a good idea.
Id prefer is Roshi stayed an old perv. Better then him changing and then reverting.
Hey Masako, can we call these moments, "bait and slap" moments?
Seriously, it is so much a trend in dbs, that it deserves its own trope.
You left out Goten and Trunks just like they were left out of all Dragon Ball Super
Thank you masako x for put this video on because I saw somethings that should have been better on dbs.👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥
As it’s already been shown with manga completely dominating the graphic novel sales charts. Never change your already established franchise for foreign audiences cause all that does is drive away your existing fans and not gain new ones.
I believe Nigrishi was eliminated by complete accident through behind the scenes miscommunication. My reasoning is in his design being shark-like, while the ultimate fusion of his universe Anylaza had a hammerhead-like design. He had too much attention brought to him to have been a nobody.
Kinda sad that he got basically accidentally knocked out by cabba
10:48 Nice reference to The Venom Movie!
I disagree with the Roshi point. He didn't go through the same 'training' as in the anime and the Moro Arc was written by Toyotaro himself, not the anime studio. Kind of weird to expect a different canon to include something from a completely different canon.
Watch them still do it though when it's animated.
@@JKurayami
Then it would be valid, but as of now it doesn't really make sense as a complaint.
@@theflyingace611 I agree with you. I am just not optimistic.
10:24 thanks for the idea, Masako 😏😏😏
Cool! If you want to make it, go for it!
MasakoX: "Freeza's opportunity to bring down the Gods"
Me: *THANK* *YOU*
yeah, frieza should honestly be looking for the super dragon balls rn. I always thought it was dangerous having those around and goku black is proof of that; imo they should either get rid of them or show off their potential more. I mean they're dragon balls with ZERO limits
Krillin and Buu's useless powerups got to me.
I think it's arrogant to tell Japan that their products that they made needs to change to meet the global demands.
It doesn't come from a place of arrogance. It's more to do with being aware of foreign markets and that they exist and how it can lead to better audience response. For example, in the Broly movie, the chanting was a tribute to the Mexican audience who watched the last two Super episodes in their droves. That's cool
@@MasakoX it's fine asking for things. But claiming it as a mistake or an issue is to me arrogant. I agree with you with the desire to see the change, but I won't say they failed for not meeting my standard when that standard is a cultural one.
Tien throughout the entirety of the Tournament of Power.
or just super
By far the biggest for me was the build up to a plot of the angels and GP. The zoom in on a smile of an angel when it's own universe gets erased from existence, the looks from the GP, it all felt so important and I was so ready for a huge twist that all of the angels, even Weiss, were about to do something to overthrow Zeno and the survivors from Universe 7 and any not erased yet were going to have to do something, maybe get whisked away to train and plot together against an unstoppable force...it could have been something great.
How about the bait and nothing of the universes not included in the tournament because they were "too powerful"?
I'm pretty sure the 4 universes that didn't compete were only written to do so bc the writers realized 120 fighters would be a bit too many for them and wanted to cut it down lol
@@tiablue9106 By that logic it was already far too many. It is a good hook that there are universes out there with fighters powerful enough that it would not even be a challenge, but knowing that Goku (especially these days) has NEVER brought up that he would like to meet these incredibly powerful fighters? Everything about the other universes (not just the missing 4) feels like a series of missed opportunities.
@@TheIncarnadine042 well goku always keeps training to prepare for fighting stronger folks, but it is strange he seems content to stay in U7 unless necessary bc he's already like the top mortal in his universe. and considering the series has yet to have vegeta visit planet sadala over 90 eps after he planned to, I doubt we're gonna see much of the other universes too soon lol
Nah, the most frustrating moment was my boy Katopesla not getting longer screen time to shine and show his moves, he was refreshing to see in the tournament to be honest
I agree 100%
I kinda wanted more from bergamo
I like how most of these, (with exceptions like the trunks thing that happened in both versions) happen in the anime and not the manga. Toei, you little pricks!
I still don't get why they didn't just keep Future Trunks and Mai in the main timeline. Like if you need to explain why they aren't around all the time or at the Uub Tournament, just have them like Join the galactic patrol, or put him in universe 6 to help train those saiyan, or have him hang out with his uncle Tarble or anything excuse you need to only bring him in when necessary. I think people would have been more okay with Trunks's timeline being erased if it meant that he'd get to join the main cast.
Tien never even got a chance for a bait.
yeah I was surprised (but still understood) ppl were so outraged by his lackluster performance in the tournament bc his recruitment ep(s) already showed how worthless he was
Dragon Ball Evolution let the Dragon Ball franchise down.
whenever you do "what if" scenarios you should do a Db GT version of said scenario at the end. Just a suggestion
8:44 That would be a very short What If😅
Dragon Ball Super let Frieza down when he got revived, again.
The bait and no pay off of the Angels having some nefarious plan during the Tournament of Power was so sad. ):
People don't like Roshi because of his perv antics; they like him IN SPIDE of that. So I don't know why they're so adamant to let that problematic aspect of his character go.
His inclusion in the TOP was great! It showed that you're never too old to improve yourself, that experience goes a long way, and that even masters can continue to learn. I wish this new Roshi had stuck around...
LMAO! These thumbnails are gold! 😂🤣🐒
We needed Golden Frost (or Silver Frost) (or Platinum Frost)
" A ghost a Turd in the wind!" LOL!
I know a lot of fans would disagree with me, but if the manga was allowed to go ahead of the anime from the get go and the series just fully adapted the stories, art style, and brutality of the manga (with some filler of course) then I think Super would’ve been better received than it was. Yes, the manga has issues (now more than ever), but the manga didn’t waste our time retelling the movies and feels more consistent with the original series. The anime could always flesh things out more, so any problems in the manga could’ve been further explored in the anime. Just an idea.
This is why I prefer GT over Super. Super just made so many interesting promises only to just 180 on them a mere episode later. GT might not had have much going for it, but it didn't hype you up for something to subvert it for subversion's sake 1 episode later
I never understood the golden Freeza thing. Goku fought Freeza first. Freeza was already weakening before Vegeta started fighting. It would have been a crappy win even if he was allowed to have it.
they contrived a reason for goku to lose so vegeta could have some kinda spotlight, then contrived another reason for goku to steal the win from vegeta. I can't even say "they wrote themselves into a corner", it's like they were already in the corner started writing there lol
Vegeta
Tien needs more love!
I think that these bait and switches are a sign of one of dbs worst issues: baiting people for something nice, then never deliver it...
Another Venom reference in the last 30 days cursory of Masakox. Is he excited for Venom 2 or is he secretly reading my DB fanfic?
What kinda fanfiction is it?
@@superior2096 Pretty much what if Venom bonded to Goku.
The series is called The Symbiote Saiyan.
Every time I remember what super did to Frost I get angry. Seriously what was even the point of Frost? It feels that he was created to appease the Vegeta fans since he didn't get the victory against Frieza. They could have done something interesting with golden Frieza vs golden Frost (or any other colour idc) and prior to the his elimination he was actually doing fine but instead they had to make him even more of a joke.