Dragon Ball Super's Latest Villain Has Failed. Here's Why.

[@MasakoX]

Thanks for watching! What do you think of the latest villain from Dragon Ball? Be sure to like, share and subscribe for more discussions as well as what ifs!

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Dragon Ball Super

[@VantasticJackson]

I like Gas' transformation from one liner grunt to someone with a personality. As someone who loves techniques that create stuff (like Gray's Ice Make or Green Lanturn Rings), i like his abilities especially the cubes. They're like a callback to Hearts' cubes. Also like how he ties in to Goku having fought his father Bardock in the past. Although wasn't really a fan of his latest depiction in the recent chapter 82 (the bathroom jokes). Also not looking forward to another flashback sequence. All in all, he's not the greatest antagonist but is interesting to say the least, in my opinion

[@bizmak3116]

@S92 I mean it takes place 7 years after Majin buu’s defeat, plus two years from bog and res f together, and the universe 6 vs 7 tournament, and goku black saga, and the tournament of power and Broly (you can take the goku balck saga one away since it was during that saga but it was a filler episode they used the dragon balls) so.. we are way past the main z end of z timeline now 🤔

[@ChestinysDialed]

You interact with your followers more than any RUclipsr I know. My toddler also loves to see your face. You're a class act mate.

[@MasakoX]

Thank you, Brad! One is glad to be of service.

[@j.i.k2.044]

Gas is someone you would feel sorry for if anything, he clearly has an inferior complex and believes he owes Elec everything and doesn't want to disappoint him because of how much Elec has invested in him. Gas currently being U7s strongest warrior doesn't mean he will demonstrate the characteristics of the strongest, in many ways you could say Gas doesn't know who he is truly is himself since he has spent a majority of his life trying to live up to Elecs will. Gas is overly dependent on Elecs validation, which is probably what Bardock saw and used against Gas to win imo

[@pagawn1640]

Not to mention the fact that Gas is also just a kid. He doesn’t know what he’s doing and he doesn’t understand the sacrifice he’s made by gaining this power. All he understands is that he’s helping his brother.

[@j.i.k2.044]

I mostly agree with your points about Gas, but I never saw him as the main villain of this arc. So even if he does become forgettable it wouldn't matter as much to me, like you said, Gas is tool for Elec's will. Gas himself confirms this in Chapter 82 so in reality Gas was never truly the main villain, what I do like about Gas is his weapon creation abilities and how versatile Gas fights with it.

[@Amplifymagic]

I totally agree, and that’s why I want to see a good climactic ending to Elec.

[@nicwoolfe3885]

How do you make Jiren look dynamic & nuanced? This is how

[@BaldOmniMan]

Jiren is very dynamic and nuanced, it just wasn’t presented well (info dumps) but if you rewatch the TOP knowing everything about him, it makes quite a few scenes a lot better.

[@soundrogue4472]

Gas isn't

[@isaac-77]

What does nuanced mean? I see it used a lot but still don’t understand it lol

[@ibreathairunfortunatelyish4444]

@@isaac-77 it means deeper but has unnoticeable undertones that distinguish it

[@ibreathairunfortunatelyish4444]

Also by the way no dragon ball character are nuanced

[@boonraksaboonparn4988]

His personality is quite new and fresh, I liked him a lot when we started this arc or even this final fight, a major strong opponent that work under another villain through the end and did not betray them.
But I fear that, with how the story is going, he will become less and less interesting to the point of plain and boring.

[@MasakoX]

Yeah there are some good parts to him, but sadly with him getting the power without effort or training, it'll detract from the overall memorability.

[@boonraksaboonparn4988]

@@MasakoX I honest don't quite mad about that bit, but more about that I expect a growth from him, not physically. But physical growth seem to be all we got.

[@commanderchungusboi6758]

@@MasakoX Not really... Not at all in fact. How many villains in this series actually train to get their power? Besides Golden Frieza, almost no villain train to get their power. I don't get why all of a sudden the fandom is pretending to care how a villain got their power. 6 different villains in this franchise just got their power by stealing other peoples power anyway, and no one even began to complain about that until OG73 was introduced.

[@slinux8420]

@@commanderchungusboi6758 It's also weird thinking about the fact we actually have characters using the dragon balls smartly besides the z fighters who basically always used it to wish away all the bad things that happened...

[@dark-xh7fs]

@@commanderchungusboi6758 yeah. And don't forget gohan's two power ups.
He realy erned ssj2 but ultimate is whole different topic.

[@Trunks1stApprentice]

As a collective, the Heetas are an interesting group. In a story where the stories usually boil down to "punch evil until it dies", bad guys who want to control the universe by controlling the flow of money and information instead of through power and fear like villains prior is a refreshing change of pace. And for people who care about the lore of Freeza, knowing that the Heetas used to work both sides by paying Freeza to take on specific planets while taking most of the profits from the races that paid Freeza for these planets to make back the money is a deep cut of Dragon Ball lore.
But break them down individually, none of them can really hold a candle to the likes of Piccolo Daimao, Vegeta, Freeza, Goku Black, or Moro.
Elec being more a sly schemer is interesting, but he lacks the over the top maniacal evil charisma that defines a lot of Dragon Ball villains.
Oil and Macki are just your standard big dumb guy and pretty sassy lady, and only get use as comic relief. Which is needed, as a way to break up the otherwise relentless seriousness, and Toyotaro has said his favorite scenes in this arc are the comedic ones. But otherwise, they don't have a lot of utility.
And Gas is just another strong, stoic antagonist that doesn't have much personality. Aside from the scenes meant for comedy, you can kind of tell how he'll react to just about everything after you've seen him react to one thing. I'm calling it now, when Goku learns what Bardock did to beat Gas and tries to copy it, Gas is either going to be super excited or have a complete mental breakdown.
I enjoy the Heetas as a collective, but I expect that even if/when Super comes back as an anime, they won't exactly leave an impact on the wider fandom.

[@Bezaliel13]

Does that make them better or worse as a team of characters?

[@Trunks1stApprentice]

@@Bezaliel13 Honestly, it's the same problem with the Ginyu Force. They work as a team because of the character dynamics they create and play off of each other very well, but if you started looking at Ginyu as individuals, they fall apart and are honestly crap villains.
The Heetas, as a group, work because they have a good dynamic and play off of each other very well. Especially Oil and Macki in their comedy scenes. But if you tried to bring in an isolation booth and figured out what makes them tick individually, they fall apart.

[@Bezaliel13]

@@Trunks1stApprentice
But does it make sense to judge them without the group dynamics they excel in? Sounds unfair criticizing them for not being exactly what they are not.
Let us hypothetically "flip" it. What if the *team* was composed of charatcers that each work in a vacuum, but had no dynamics within the group? I would say that should be worse by having the team aspect be pointless.

[@Trunks1stApprentice]

@@Bezaliel13 I think it makes sense and is entirely fair, considering how they're being used in the story. If you're going to use the characters in multiple configurations, ANY configuration, then they need to be strong enough characters to carry those configurations. Otherwise, don't bother. Play with their strengths, or don't play at all.
If the Ginyu Force insist on fighting the Dragon Team in one-on-one battles, then each Ginyu better be interesting enough to carry the story for however long they're going solo. Guldo is a waste of space, Recoome is a meathead, Butta and Jeice don't have personalities, and Ginyu is your standard arrogant mini-boss. They're fun when they're together and doing their Sentai bit. But if they're going to split up into solo matches or just spend any length of time alone, they need to have the personality for it. And they really don't.
If the Heetas are putting all of their eggs into their super strong brother Gas being able to solo all three challengers, then super strong brother Gas better have a strong enough personality that the audience can enjoy him during this time where he gets more spotlight than his family. Elec is still suitably suave and slimy in every panel he's in, so he has that going for him. It also helps that he's rarely alone and can always play off other characters. And Oil and Macki were designed to be a double act, so they're always paired together. But besides "oh, Gas, our dear brother, you're so strong. Kick all of their asses" when he's with his family, Gas doesn't have any personality. He's just copying the strong, silent, stoic mold that we're so sick of by now, and it leads to ridiculously predictable situations. And if he's our main antagonist that we're expecting Goku to throw down with, he'd better be able to handle one-on-one combat without his family there for banter. And I don't think he can handle it.

[@Bezaliel13]

@@Trunks1stApprentice
But the "configuration" you are criticizing is in lone characters, and I also cannot see this angle on varied team configurations as a criticism against "team dynamics focused" characters, for writing focused on team dynamics should be better with handling different team configurations because of _team dynamics being the main focus in writing the characters._
This next paragraph seems to conflate character writing with character... abilities. I am not sure how much I can say about character traits being separate from character writing beyond pointing out the former is in *fight choreography.* I feel like wording really matters when talking about the character writing of fictional characters.
Your last paragraph had a fair point on Gas being flat, but undermines itself by pointing out that he has his family to balance his character out, especially by complaining about the strong silent type. Seriously, his family is the "refreshing change of pace" with Gas, being information brokers instead of mighty invaders, that worked together to buff their muscle into the ultimate. As a counterpoint, while Gas is busy fighting, and his siblings are cheering for him, Elec is free to be up to something, *unlike most DB villains.*
Elec: "Mwuhaha, while you were busy and distracted, I did a thing!"

[@MagicCardboardBox]

Idk, I'm expecting two more twists. One being gas learning the price he paid to be the strongest, two, a third contender.
Elec is the main villain, he just hasn't played his last cards yet.

[@Pastry656]

So… is he the modern variation of “Android 19”? Threatening for a minute, but ultimately dropped for further plot needs and shifts. Like a Saibaman or Cell Junior… or long haired good boy the hedgehog… Saiyan.

[@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462]

When The Heeters we're first introduced into Dragon Ball, A LOT of People, including me, related The Heeters to Bojack, like you said, and Bojack was non-canon, and an old Villain that hasn't been used in years, so with the Relations to Bojack, I feel like The Heeters WOULD BE Remembered for years after, at least for a while.

[@lioneljackson6723]

I think Masako is just choosing this Chapter to vent some frustrations lol this arc has been good so far not to mention no one's talking about how this arc started with Granola stealing 7-3 for the heeters. This arc to me is a real slow burn but the final part will be worth the wait. Just gotta go along with the ride instead of thinking what would work better. You'll enjoy it more that way. No one's mentioned how the oracle fish didn't recognize Gas even tho the oracle fish knows who the strongest in the universe is. So Gas must've failed to pass granola somehow?, even tho he made that wish.

[@VaultN95]

A problem with many dragon ball villains - They are SAID to be powerful, but never are shown to be. Vegeta blew up an entire planet just for the sake of it before even landing on Earth, it showed us just what a threat we were dealing with. OG Broly destroyed a QUARTER OF THE UNIVERSE. But what did Gas do? Well, he throws trains at Goku.
We don't see stakes. This very well could be an early DBZ fight, when everyone wasn't a galaxy level threat. Like, manifest some planets or stars and explode them into somebody's face, man, you should have more than enough power to do that!
I hope that the anime will provide a proper fight sequence/build up. But even if they don't change much of the fight, at least make it look spectacular. The Instant transmission chase sequence has a potential to be one of the greatest animated moments of Dragon Ball if done correctly.
But right now we are faced with the Jiren problem - He is SAID to be powerful, not shown.

[@lightingthief4482]

Jiren is a absolute force of nature and is shown to be multiple time......in the anime. The manga fell short on this very hard to the point Jiren looks just like everyone else there. In the anime, everyone was actively avoiding Jiren and when Jiren gets involved in anything, it is a squashfest. Even knocked back the Spirit Bomb and fought off a new transformation, something every single villain cant say(Beerus doesn't really count)

[@My_Master_Waves]

Yeah I agree with this and have been saying the same thing for a really long time. We barely see any indication of characters getting stronger.

[@thatnerdyouseeeverywhere7536]

Honestly I disagree with that approach. Given enough time writing power escalation, there just reaches a point where you can’t visually depict greater levels of strength. All that would be shown is speedlines upon speedlines, afterimages galore, and so much destruction, the magnitude of it can’t impress you anymore. Honestly, while it’s inaccurate to the characters’ power, grounding the fights is better for the reading experience.

[@My_Master_Waves]

@@thatnerdyouseeeverywhere7536 There are hundreds of ways to show it. Manga did a great showing of speed and power in Beerus vs Champa. Many other anime with lesser levels of power are displaying better destruction than dragon ball characters all of whom are pretty much gods now. When Goku gets hurt by rocks falling on him it's just laughable.

[@georgehouliaras7239]

I remember when people were saying that about Jiren and here he is, appearing in every Dragon Ball media since his debut.

[@LupineShadowOmega]

He is still boring.

[@rozendo309]

@@LupineShadowOmega but you can't say that he doesn't have a lot of fans.

[@SSJWolverine]

Just because he's shoved everywhere doesn't mean he's popular, it just means that the company is trying to push him as the next big thing. Wrestling does it all the time. They take a guy who they feel will be the face of the company and push him hard, regardless of actual fan reaction. I remember when Jiren was announced for Dragon Ball FighterZ, a game that would get a huge fan reaction. But no one cared. We were more interested in the character that was announced alongside him, Videl. I know I was.

[@AstraFulminous]

Jiren facts: Try something!!!
TLDR: Jiren is more popular than he appears.

[@MentaAzul]

@@SSJWolverine US people aren't the whole world, Jiren is really loved in Latin America for example

[@whodatboi2567]

I mean, I find Gas to be fairly interesting especially in regards to his ego and his desire to prove his capabilities. He exudes a level of insecurity that we haven't really seen from a villain prior. If anything he's one of the few villains where I can say I was interested to see how his character develops by the end of the arc.

[@MasakoX]

He's OK! He's definitely improving and showing glimmers of endearment...but when we look back in a few years, it'll be hard to recall him without some thinking time.

[@whodatboi2567]

@@MasakoX Fair enough. As with many villains there's always that potential for them to be significant mainstays but knowing Toriyama they're more likely to fall into obscurity. Hopefully this arc starts bucking this trend (returning to the Galactic prison was a pleasant surprise).

[@dragonmangames2523]

@@MasakoX How ironic. Gas is the only one of the Heeters that I paid any significant attention to, as a whole, all of them are one-dimensional in their ambitions and attitudes, except for Gas, who has been showing more of himself as time passes, as well as narration pointing more at him than, say, Elec.
Gas' loyalty to Elec may not be subject to change unless for some reason, he loses Elec. He doesn't seem to show the same degree of care toward or for Oil and Maki, so he clearly has a definition for "who's the boss of this outfit", and if either of them tried to take charge, they'd find themselves more at Gas' mercy than him at theirs. The only thing that saves those two for now is they're actually aware of this.
I'm still going to give the Granolah arc of Super a look over, because all I can do is wait and see what comes next.
As far as DB villains, yes, Gas is actually kind of weak (rimshot), but that's because he started out as a shallow character and we're gradually seeing more of him as the fight goes on.
Who knows? We might get surprised.

[@AstraFulminous]

I think I finally figured out Elec's Wish and believe it was For Gas to be capable of accomplishing whatever Elec believes he could. I mean think about it, the moment Elec explained that the strongest in the universe should be able to control their power... Boom Gas became suddenly able to do so. And while it's possible he could have naturally learned to do so. Elec's timing was pretty spot on.

[@Jebbtube]

If/when the anime returns, that may be a golden opportunity to fix what the manga failed at.
There are many harsh critics of the Boruto series (I personally care little for the manga), but its anime has used its necessary filler to greatly expand and hone the themes and character development (and character designs, frankly) that the manga dropped the ball with.

[@subtlegong2817]

Admit it; you’re already making “What if Gas turned good?”. There’s no shame

[@g_hyperstar3609]

While I do like the Granolah Saga as a whole (especially with Granolah being pretty interesting as a character and as an antagonist, some backstory on Bardock, Ultra Ego Vegeta and more), Gas is easily the weakest part of the saga for me, and the Heeters in general for that matter

[@soundrogue4472]

Eh; Granolah is given a generic backstory, nothing interesting.

[@enadasvermillion9252]

@@soundrogue4472 it’s pretty interesting for db

[@soundrogue4472]

@@enadasvermillion9252 its as interesting as buruto or Asta from Black Clover.

[@fatdurk7934]

@@soundrogue4472 boruto isn’t interesting at all its a literal copy and paste of cell saga

[@soundrogue4472]

@@fatdurk7934 Yea; that's my point. It's an insult; and no it's not a copy and paste of the cell saga; that's an insult to the cell saga.

[@swedichboy1000]

I think Moro will be more memorable, maybe not on par with classics like frieza, but atleast unique in their own right.

[@Uooomman]

I feel like they're gonna slowly recreate every DBZ movie villain at this point. And I'm so excited for what they do with Janemba. Also Idk much about the manga atm, but I'm really hoping they give gas a redemption arc, he deserves it imo.

[@Uooomman]

Plus if not, you get what if material, so win-win right?

[@oflameo8927]

They already did Janemba, Buu is Janemba already.

[@Uooomman]

@@oflameo8927 eh I wouldn't say so. They have really different power sets, designs, buu can't literally warp dimensions, etc.

[@oflameo8927]

@@Uooomman If not, how did Buu get out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber without using the door?

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

*Someone passes Gas*
Me: Did you hear something?

[@MasakoX]

*sniff* Eww...

[@zxtreme31]

My biggest critique about heaters and many of the other dbs antagonists is I feel they too often share similar designs. It makes it harder to distinguish. You look back at regular Dragonball and the variety of designs were plenty.
You had human villains of various shape, sizes and styles during the red ribbon arc. Anthormorphic characters like boss carrot, oolong, puar, and some of the fighters in the tournaments.
Demonic looking characters like king piccolo and his monsters, baba’s old movie monsters, dinosaurs randomly walking about.
And pilaf gang with one of each.
In dbz it expanded further by playing around with goku’s style with raditz and Vegeta variants, than aliens like freeza, bug/monster forms like cell and buu.
But by perfect cell there appeared to be a reversion of type. I love perfect cell design but it feels very freezaesque. The base body and face is very similar just bigger and more color/wings. Evil buu and especially super buu then look a lot like perfect cell did.
I was happy when they went back to anthropomorphic animals with beerus and his clothes made him standout. But then little creativity with freeza and goku black arcs - reused designs and even zamasu doesn’t look that different from kaioshin/supreme kai.
The goat design from Moro was another unique anthropomorphic form but then they just turned him into cell again. Hit is another character that looks like a piccolo/pikon variant.
Heaters don’t look unique in any way.

[@fatdurk7934]

Jiren, broly, moro, and granola all look the same to u? Zamasu and goku black looks the same to them??? They are all unique designs.

[@zxtreme31]

@@fatdurk7934 I mentioned the ones that I felt look similar

[@GhostlyGrimace]

Its almost like he (very clearly) isn't the main villain 😐

[@Namato360]

He's interesting, but I don't think you need a villain to be great for the saga to be awesome.

[@MasakoX]

Oh true. However it would be cool for a compelling and memorable villain to be there too.

[@Namato360]

@@MasakoX Yeah that would make the saga alot better.

[@soundrogue4472]

Heroes need a good antagonist to fight; otherwise we get SAO quality of a show writing wise.

[@Namato360]

@@soundrogue4472 That's still not true 💀💀

[@soundrogue4472]

@@Namato360 Hold up; are you telling me you'd like Dragon Ball Z if we got poorly written villain's? Really? You'd want characters like Piccolo, and Vegeta to be written so bad they look pathetic?
Would you rather have;
A. a threatening villain, one that gives the hero a run for his money
or
B. a weak villain asking to have his butt handed to him?
According to your logic a skinny weak guy is just as good of a villain as a big buff dude who provides an interesting fight?
If your logic was true then you'd be watching TTG, and not DB series then!

[@robertbarrows6687]

You can go all the way back to Freeza and Cell. When they were the strongest beings in the universe, DAMN you could see and feel it.

[@balldeep69hardcoregamer50]

The only reason i like the Heetas it's because of Elec And His charismatic way of doing things unlike Other villains.

I kind of hope that Gas will survive this saga and will end up becoming a better character going forward. But honestly: I wouldn't know how. Maybe Granolah and Gas could become allies and go bounty hunting through the universe defeating targets to atone for their crimes? While the other Heeters continue their crimes without Elec, but become more like the Pilaf gang were in the original Dragon Ball series? 🤔
I dunno, it's difficult to think of ways where and how to keep them relevant and memorable. ^^;

[@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462]

I still feel like Gas is more of a side Villain, even though he is an active Villain, but I also feel like Elec is going to be the main villain, because he is the mind behind everything.

[@joxerd]

Yes, it will remind me more of Granola than Heeters.
Heeters make General Blue look like a competent villain.

[@ShadowtheRonin]

Gas lacks a lot of agency. He doesn't dictate his own actions, instead working entirely for Elec. It's like if Buu had been under Babidi's thumb for the entire Buu Saga. However, at the same time, Elec doesn't really feel like the big bad. He can't really defend himself like Babidi could (magic shields, mind control etc) so, to me, he doesn't feel like a threat.

[@kazumasama3802]

Aight now I gotta search for the Zangya fanart

[@themaker2149]

I think this arc could be made or broken by what was sacrificed for gas to be made this powerful. We still don't know what elk gave up and if he didn't give up something that would actually effect the other heaters. Elk could be the most memorable villan not cause of his power but how evil he is and how smart. He's playing chess well every one is playing checkers.

[@jeffrey7282000]

I think gas only has 1 year or less to live

[@idkwhattoput9912]

Personally I think gas is okay but granolah is so much better in fact granolah is one of my favorites now.

[@MasakoX]

Gas overall is fine...but will we remember him in a few years without prompt?

[@Okamikurainya]

Saiyans have a serious monopoly on the series.
Best thing would be for the ones in charge to come in and split things up, follow other characters as the main protagonists and allow for antagonists that aren't just the new strongest threat.
Krillin focused police drama?
Pan focused adventure series more for kids, harkening back to old school DB.
More violent action focused series for Goku and Vegeta facing multiversal threats.
Etc

[@louisdellalucca8969]

I hope you do more of the Dragon Ball Bedtime stories. The Waterfall one was so relaxing. I’ve listened to it at least 10 times

[@shala6541]

How is it that no one mentions that Moro(The goat guy) is basically Tirek from My little pony: Friendship is magic. Like no one, except for one guy I saw, mention this fact. Like Moro is exactly like Tirek I could call it plagiarism. I'm not gonna since Tirek himself takes a lot of his personality from G1 Mlp and Dragonball itself. But it's baffling that no one has made this comparison except for this one guy and I don't even remember the guy's name. So, yeah. Just wanted to make that mini-rant. Has nothing to do with the topic, but I just wanted to say it.

[@roxtechs]

Goku fight with goes summed up:
GAS GAS GAS I GOT TO STEP ON THE GAS

[@wolfgod6443]

Gas's greatest failing is that he's identifiable as the big bad. The Heeters are a family but they aren't a team. You'd expect all four of them to have a stable role in the plot with each supporting the other to create a threat greater than the sum of its parts. I'm not saying you can't work in plots of past rivalries with Gas, or manipulative brothers like Elec, but I think the story has failed to create 4 incredible characters by mismanaging the group balance. It's worth noting this story isn't supposed to be heavily reliant on its villains like the Moro or Namek arcs, but frankly, Granolah isn't in a much better position either. So far his story is more Bardock's history. I really like all the Bardock stuff this arc, but the writing is failing to juggle Granolah, the Saiyans, and 2 Heeters (because they're not even trying to work Maki and Oil into this plot anymore).

[@Naruku2121]

Maybe he's a Red Herring? Like how the Oracle Fish didn't recongize Gas despite Whis expecting he should. Could just be a joke on the fish forgetting his own prophecy (Could even be a meta joke of like Toriyama forgetting things). Though that might be the last hold out. Though I feel Gas isn't the 'True' Villian

[@Haar_Dragon]

I figure Gas here has the same problems as Granolah, but a bit less pronounced. The same problem as the whole structure of the saga in general. He is here for something mostly unrelated to Goku and Vegeta, and to Earth. Our main characters, who we (that is, most of us) have grown up with, are basically ancillary. Goku is a proxy for Bardock, and really the story is about Granolah, who isn't very well-integrated.
We've gotten some good stuff - I love Goku getting some insight into his origins, and Granolah vs Ultra Ego was also really great. But what makes this saga interesting is the Saiyan stuff. It's not Gas. Gas, and the other Heeters as well (or Hieters, for those of us who say Frieza), are just a narrative device that allows these other things to happen. Elec has _some_ chessmaster planning elements going on, and I wouldn't be surprised if he escapes to return as a villain again later, but Oil, Maki and Gas are just window-dressing. And Gas is the main threat. And he's window-dressing. This is a problem.
Imagine if Recoome was a main villain, but also didn't do sentai poses. It just wouldn't work. He's large and strong, that's his bit.

[@ultrainstinctgoku1926]

Well…he’s not the main villain

[@AstraFulminous]

Hmm its weird. I think I'll have an easier time remembering them more than all of Sanganbo's gang. But as a whole they've done less fighting than the former. I think for Gas its gonna come down to his weapons.
But one more thing that we also might be overlooking is that characters aren't just remembered for themselves but the pair around them.
And in the same way SS Goku and Frieza, SS2 Gohan and Cell, Ultra Ego Vegeta and Granola are linked. I believe that if Goku really does do something interesting with UI so too will Gas and Goku and Bardock will be linked as well. And that is also how we'll remember the character.
Additionally: @10:50 Gas about to be a Z Warrior.

[@batguy39]

Jirens strongest fighter vibes still blind mfs to this day.
Quite horrendous actually.

[@SabeNo-rh7mb]

At least Jiren earned that power with years of hard work and fighting, instead of merely wishing for it.

[@EndoScorpion]

The Heaters feel like henchmen, like the Ginyu Force. Sub-bosses that must be overcome before moving on to the final boss fight. Problem is there's no other character around to be the main antagonist.

[@saiyanscaris6530]

Frieza again probably

[@saiyanscaris6530]

Also the whole wish to be the strongest in the universe being a easy wish to make makes most other threats mute

[@EndoScorpion]

@@saiyanscaris6530 But there's been no set up to it. He's not appeared, or shown to pose a threat in any way. Also, he's been done twice. Once was enough. Namek was and still is the best saga in my opinion. Bringing him back and reusing him as a villain has only devalued him as a character.

[@saiyanscaris6530]

@@EndoScorpion has still alive though and won't change his ways. The heaters also follow frieza orders

[@Gypsygeekfreak17]

Love these videos

[@Sailor11Sedna]

Maybe Gas will be remembered once they make him playable in video games. “He’s doing the thwomps, he’s doing the- crap, straight into kunai!”
The unearned power is one problem. Another is taking too long to develop his character. It’s not until last chapter that we see him as the little brother trying to prove to onii-san that he’s not just a scared little kid anymore. And now that we know it… it clashes with the “suddenly the strongest in the universe” part. He finally gets over his inner hulk and we get the widdwe bwuddah trying to be useful to Elec?
Also, Elec, I was counting on you to be the guy with a backup plan for your backup plan for your first backup plan. I was hoping he had just gotten off the phone with Goichi, the old man whose android was stolen by Granolah way back in the beginning. You’ve got Granolah blinded and shot and suddenly he shows up with his remaining troops and androids. But maybe you’d have no story if Elec was THAT smart.

[@OriginalTrapstar]

Would be nice if they got granola and gas on the z team side and wished for them to live out their respective species lifetime without sacrificing their power. Might as well since we just wishing everything else SMH. But honestly we need some more god tier characters

[@neogamest123logic2]

Merging with a planet isn't new general Rildo did it in GT.

[@awahs.1050]

He isn't the final villain

[@MasakoX]

We do think he is since he has the requisite transformations.

[@awahs.1050]

@@MasakoX I mean I still think the elec will be didn't they make a second wish?

[@elijahbarber111]

I don't really mind Gas being nemoriable. This arc really isn't about him or the Heaters IMO. I think it's more about the characters going through self discovery and their there just to set up conflict.

[@soundrogue4472]

You need a good antongist for a story!!! Ofc it matters!!!

[@fatdurk7934]

@@soundrogue4472 ya and elec is exactly that. Idk where u mfs getting the idea gas in the main baddy when he isn’t he is nothing more than the opening act.

[@elijahbarber111]

@@soundrogue4472 We don't even know what his 100 percent strength is yet or if he is really the final battle. Wait till the arc is completed to judge it as a whole.

[@soundrogue4472]

@@fatdurk7934 Honestly I completely forgot about Elec because how little he acts within the actual STORY! He does nothing to remember about him to the point I genuinely forgot about him.

[@soundrogue4472]

@@elijahbarber111 That's NOT WHAT I MEAN YOU DOLT! Every battle he has little to no personality! We had how many pages of the manga to develop him as a warrior??? I'm not waiting 80 chapters for his character to be fleshed out!

[@clericofchaos1]

What do you mean it's "latest" villain? All the villains since cell have been bland and forgettable or just outright bad.

[@koroo2891]

Cell By himself is also pretty bland if you ask me

[@fatdurk7934]

Cell is more bland than goku black

[@MentaAzul]

Cell wasn't the best thing, TFS carried his character a lot

[@DuendeTortuga]

I remember everything about the Ginyu Force, those were good secondary villains, we learned all we needed from each member, even the ones with smaller roles, the Heeters, and this is just my opinion, I didn't care much about them from the start, and I don't even remember their names to be honest, their appearance and designs are cool, except for, funny enough, Gas, who as Masako mentions is a very forgettable - and I might add boring - villain, I'm enjoying the action sequences of course, Toyotaro is very good at it, but there's much more to a good villain than just the fights. I'm not hating on the arc as a whole, but I honestly can't wait for it to be over..

[@VillainousWarlord]

It didn't feel like there were just entirely irrelevant members in the Ginyu Force. All of them had much more direct narrative purposes. They really needed something for Oil and Macki to do beyond just stand around and be comic relief, since they're totally irrelevant to everything.

[@DuendeTortuga]

@@VillainousWarlord Yes, none of they were irrelevant, but compared to Recoom (who was the one to show how huge was the difference between them and our trio) and Capt Ginyu, the others had a somewhat smaller role. I'm not sure how much of a difference it'd made if they'd give the other two Heeters more to do at this point, though, we'll how it goes..

[@VillainousWarlord]

@@DuendeTortuga Guldo gets a fight and has one of the most unique powersets in the show. He was the one who got to be defeated without it just being a simple contest of greater power level always winning.
Jeice gets to be the token survivor after the majority of the force dies. Burter doesn't serve all that much purpose, granted, but still more character than Oil/Macki.

[@dark-xh7fs]

To me gas is more intresting than for example anime jiren- that is a boring man. He has power but thats it. No personality, almost no backstory. Imo the only thing that give jiren adventage is his hype and that he was animated.

[@localpiper4174]

Gotta suggest a what-if for the 1st of April. What if Goku turned?

[@AwkwardPain]

Something I just remembered... Didn't they say that this will be ending in the next chapter? I struggle to see how this can stick a satisfying landing if that is the case. I really hope it isn't Goku gets his will to fight after hearing the backstory for Bardock and unlocks MUI2, defeating Gas all in the same chapter... but I am not sure what else they are going for at this point that would ONLY last a chapter.

[@VantasticJackson]

The Heeters remind me of The Garcias from BeyBlade Metal Fury more than Bojack's Gang. Mostly due to the Familial Bond they have. As well as the shared goal to stand atop everyone together

[@Suntensatsu21]

Something's occurred to me: I think Gas might be the only Dragon Ball antagonist who has legitimately never smiled once. Hell, even Jiren managed to crack one eventually, but I don't think I can recall a moment when Gas smiled. I think Gas needs to want something concrete, not just be told what his desires should be. As it stands, Gas is currently a very flat character with a few cracks here and there that hint that there is something going on under the surface, but I worry that when we finally see the real Gas without Elec it won't be very satisfying.

[@MentaAzul]

He's gonna smile eventually, that happened with Jiren

[@Suntensatsu21]

@@MentaAzul The question remains: what will cause him to smile?

[@ascended00hybrid58]

He actually smiled once. When he had Goku in the water, he said "How about I suffocate you then? What a pathetic death that would be.... It would not satisfy me either."

[@Suntensatsu21]

@@ascended00hybrid58 nice catch, I must not have noticed that.

[@ObiClon]

I personally don't think Gas would be high on any lists of memorable villains for most fans if not featured on said lists at all if he were.

[@quietguyjosh4643]

Misread title as "Dragonball super's latest villain is forgetable"
and i agreed

[@tracyndiyob162]

elec is pretty much the true villain of the arc with macki & oil being my favorite of them and like them being a reimagining of bojak's group(who pretty much like janemba to buu was a better handled cell arc for gohan's growth and being in an actual tournament instead of goku forcing gohan into a fight he could've won himself/the z fighters doing nothing to help.).
,gas is no different from raditz(who outside what if's was a plot device for goku's death/finding out about the saiyans that easily could've gone to vegeta.)nappa(who at least had great expressions,fighterz having everyone making fun of how behind he is,getting karma'd by yamcha and even thinking frieza's a jerk.) or android 19,gas just took long with giving him more to his character and being more of a weapon(and showing the series after this needs to just stop with the escalation and transformations as contrary to it's sayings there is a limit.) when he had enough of a arc with bardock/inferiority to granolah.
and outside classic/vegeta in z and android 21/makai residents most are pretty basic(and the series is pretty outdated compared to other shonen jump series relying on it's main stars popularity over it's other characters that are more interesting.) but have memorable moments to balance it out.
would also say compared to bojak's threat they feel like the saiyans could easily take them though compared to zamasu(who's as pretentious as a bleach/naruto villain without the understandable beginnings.),jiren(who was forced to become a villain when goku was the antagonist and could've done more with his master's killer identity.) and moro(who should've been a makaioshin/tied to dabura & towa instead of just an evil wizard,became cell and showed goku needs to grow already /drop his stupidity going to "why do we rely on this guy" levels.) i think they work but only care about macki and oil surviving the end.

[@vegettoblack7852]

Elec is GASlighting gas. Wakka wakka!

[@sadib100]

Super's latest villain is Zamasu, right?
Just kidding. Although, that name popped into my head, but I forgot what he looked like.

[@abiola100000]

I don't know if the gas elec to stand on pun was intentional but I laughed a little.

[@kareemasmar2635]

150th comment and 601th like and 5.250th viewer and 526kth subscriber if that’s even a number but by the way cool video bro bye bye!

[@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker]

They hyped up Jiren's power so much that any stronger enemy after him don't feel as impressive. They just show up and happen to be really strong. Gas having history with Bardock and even respect for him is interesting, but I feel that it's too little, too late for an arc that has so many pacing issues.

[@Bezaliel13]

Have to point out Gas wished to be the strongest mortal in the universe, but Jiren is in Universe 11.

[@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker]

​@@Bezaliel13 True. I always did like how Jiren became that strong on his own without the aid of divine beings, unlike Goku. Gas, on the other hand, just copied what Granolah had already had done.

[@Bezaliel13]

@@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker
Yeah, I also appreciate that Jiren just trained to be strong without any gimmicks, like being a mutant or Masako's suggestion of a hidden power that he feared.
As for Gas, no wonder Vegeta sent him to deal with it.
Vegeta: "Your fault, so you deal with him!"

[@AstraFulminous]

Well we say Gas but technically Elec... And that is where I think where the true twist that we'll remember lies.

[@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker]

​@@AstraFulminous I actually really like Elec, which is why I'm disappointed that he's not being all that smart anymore and is just waiting around for Gas to get the job done. He should be getting out of there in case something goes wrong, considering how powerful Goku, Vegeta, and Granolah are. He even let Minito and Oatmeal go for whatever reason. Lame. :/

[@kroh7742]

Granolah is started to grow on me as a character.. Gas however, feels like the obligatory "big bad"

[@MentaAzul]

I love this type of videos!

[@nillman]

I forget about the heeters till they get talked about again.

[@novaomega7337]

I think the heaters as a group are the villain. Gas is just a necessary part of Dragon Ball. Lets be real if there wasn't a fight in this arc in the traditional sense, the bulk of the fandom who doesn't think has much about the finer points would throw a fit.

[@Endrance88]

The problem is that the latest manga has, a lot of "and then" moments and not enough "but suddenly" moments.

[@josesosa3337]

I don't mind his bone head piece necklace but i just don't like the teeth growing out of his skull. I think they were trying to evoke the saber tooth tiger but I think it was a miss.

[@jojomations2596]

ngl I actually forgot his name within a month after reading chapter 81

[@MasakoX]

Already? Well, it's OK.

[@jojomations2596]

@@MasakoX I think its because to me, its memorable if its anime adapted lol

[@thecrowe20]

A what-if where you combine Bojack and the Heeter Gang would be neat. Brains and Brawns working together...

[@Jeff-fo3ck]

Off topic. But I think after this arc, they will start to explore the multiverse. There's nothing in stored for goku and the gang if they already beat the "Strongest" in the Universe. 🤷‍♂️

[@Janootz]

They shoulda just stuck with Granolah as the main antagonist of the Granolah Arc.

[@michaeleverett1376]

I hope the anime improves this and the moro sagas.

[@mittensfastpaw]

Ya, your stuff is all I care about now with DB.

[@abbaidoin7773]

They should have made Bojack and his squad canon. That would have been miles better imo

[@zama4806]

go q and a, yeah!.... when?

[@kareemasmar2635]

153th comment and 607th like and 5.340th viewer and 526kth subscriber if that’s even a number but by the way cool video bro bye bye!

[@amanzeihedioha]

Huh. I thought the Mosaic was the Archenemy of Gintama and Grand Blue😁

[@moorexsive]

When are we going get back to either the end of the last Saga or the start of this Saga regarding the remains of 7-3? where is that droid? and when will that become relevant?

[@AstraFulminous]

Morning!!!

[@jellyface401]

He is the villain of the Saga; I am still thinking some other villain may come up.

[@trise2033]

Hot(?) Take: They're trying to make Gas a new Piccolo.

[@srs419]

I guess its obvious that eventually Gas will pass and dissipate.

[@TheLegendaryGarcia]

This isn’t terribly new for Dragon Ball. People often forget that Android 19 and 20 even existed.

[@JamezP]

the more dragon ball super goes on the more I appreciate the storytelling, saga build-ups and bad guys in GT (japanese dub... funimation really screwed the script there)

[@agediho6009]

Majin Yamcha

[@MasakoX]

How could you forget that? That's the exact opposite of forgettable.

[@questuniverse7007]

I know the what if roundtable is over, but your discussion with a Zangya what if. I will say strangely enough, people actually have shipped Gohan and Zangya, more than with Krillin because he already got #18. Anyway, I'm just saying that you don't have to make the what if, I'm just pointing it out.

[@kudrzyk]

When that episode of anime drops i demand instant thomas the tank engine theme playing as goku is hit by a train

[@baddworld]

The main antagonist is Elec

[@trise2033]

So what you're saying is that Gas is too ephemeral; too... "gaseous".

[@SSjSylar]

....I just....just got the heaters pun ...

[@ss7cindersh]

he has all the traits for you to make a good story involving him a year or so down the road

[@afroman5160]

They did Gas so dirty the 1st black alien as a villain. Last chapter smh I like his ruthless nature calm. Of course love his design.

[@Darthvegeta8000]

Except I do not see Gas as the main villain...

[@MrSHADOWANGEL999]

Well see where they go

[@src6339]

But what if professor briefs was played by Christopher Lloyd?

[@JanikOokami]

I understand i remember when zamasu especially the anime version was a failed attempt to.

[@bluemew22]

God I hate the Cerealian Dragon Balls. They're so unbalanced and fanfic-tier convenient.
>Grants wishes easily beyond the creator's power.
>Never turn to stone, no recharge time, if you can find them you can make the wish immediately.
>Only 2 Balls to find. As long as you have 2 friends with abilities matching *Arc 2* Kid Goku you have infinite wishes.
>Scatter across Planet Cereal, rather than nay larger scale space
These Dragon Balls are better than the Black Star Balls from GT and the Super Dragon Balls combined. and quite simply I hope the arc kills Monaito so these balls go away forever.