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Dragon Ball Is Evolving, Just Backwards. And That's Good. Here's Why.
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2022
- For Dragon Ball to truly succeed in the 2020s, it needs to learn from its past. Dragon Ball GT could be a very important lesson for Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero to study and become the best movie in years. Here's why.
Dragon Ball is evolving, just backwards. And that's good. The last two trailers of the Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero movie which is coming out in late April in Japan have definitely warmed audiences up to the whole ambience of the movie that it's trying to go for. Let's discuss how the show has evolved over the years and changed to fit its new identity. How Goku grew up and battled Piccolo, how we got Super Saiyan against Frieza, how we learnt about the Supreme Kais and the likes of Beerus. How can DBS become a brand new show again? Learn from GT and rely on the journey that was laid down in the Emperor Pilaf saga; and ROLL WITH IT. #DragonBall #DragonBallSuper #DragonBallSuperSuperHero #DragonBallZ #DBZ #DBS
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I would like an oficial series of what if Goku Landed on Universe 6 or was born there And has His own adventure
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@MasakoX Dragon Ball is changing for the better, when it goes back to its roots for once. I myself am tired of the blatant modern anime clichés I can see in Super, and that's why I don't cringe much when watching the classics (from OG to Z), or episodes that have direct and/or active references to the OG or Z.
I’m a 90’s girl who kept an open mind to this upcoming movie… I hope the project turns out well and stays somewhat true to the original spirit of Dragonball
Not sure. I liked the Moro Saga, but am waiting for the movie, and Granolah's conclusion, before deciding. Like you said, it would be cool to have Pan become a main character and go on adventures parallel to Goku's. Maybe even get that Universe 6 tour that was teased years back.
That said, part of me still can't help but be interested in a reboot...
I think an interesting approach if the series is going to return to its more adventure-focused roots might be to have two plots running in parallel to one another. You could have the likes of Goku, Vegeta, Brolly, and parts of the older generation exploring the multiverse established in Super, giving us a window into the other 11 universes. Meanwhile the younger generation could have their own adventures around Earth showing how things have changed since Goku's childhood journey.
I really thought we were gonna get a parallel story of goten trunks and Maron defending the island during the TOP. I was very excited
thats exactly what masako said in the final part of the video
That was what GT was trying to do and we all saw where that went
Gt already did that and weebs shat on it because *aKiRa sEnsEi* didnt write it
@@najeebshah. I mean GT just also didn't do it that well, and I like GT
Me (reads title): “Because classic Dragon Ball is best Dragon Ball.”
Exactly!
Damn straight.
I see nothing but FACTS here
So true
Facts
Hold up a moment. MasakoX's logo... is an M. And he talks all about villains.. turning good...
HE'S SWAYING US TO THE DARK SIDE! MasakoX is a Majin! *Tinfoil hat intensifies*
You mean they’re doing what GT tried to do… but correctly?! I’m getting even more hyped now!!!
@DatrixTSW2012 inb4 GT but worse
@@KirbyMan12 so Super?
If by evolving backwards you mean the series going back to having a more laid back and chill vibe, then yeah I definitely agree.
On a side note I don't understand the hate behind DBS Superhero, yeah the art and animation isn't DBS Broly level but hey it's not disgustingly bad. I've seen people complain about the fact that there aren't gonna be any galaxy buster type villains in the story like c'mon man
Yeah you got it! A back to basics approach.
@@MasakoX Ayy
@@thecod2345 no gohan haven’t 👀👀
@@thecod2345 I mean he’s training with piccolo who’s known as the most calm and wise person . Why wouldn’t he drop it? He’s smarter than Goku and vegeta so it shouldn’t be that unbelievable that he could realize it’s a flaw and drop it lol.
@@thecod2345 Gohan wasn't rushed. His arc was completed over the span of 3 arcs in Z. He was simply wasted.
Piccolo's arc ended, but it doesn't mean he can't do anything. Nothing suggests any of the characters are going through new character arcs. They're just simply using these characters with their completed arcs. Characters don't always need new character development to be interesting again. The movie literally shows us that Pan is starting to comprehend the world around her, which is why Piccolo is training her.
Videl hasn't even been shown in this movie so you mentioning her is weird.
Honestly I never cared about Goten and Trunks anyway and they've always been pretty boring so I don't mind them being a simple gag, especially because that's all they've really ever have been.
I never said the movie is gonna be a masterpiece. But the fact that they're atleast TRYING to incorporate old somewhat forgotten characters back into the story is enough to catch my interest.
Honestly not everyone cares about it as deeply as some of you guys do lol
Cell is most definitely not coming back. The main final villain is gonna be some sort of reference to Cell. His design has been leaked and he's basically a mummified Cell and that's obviously not gonna the actual Cell.
I'm all for DB taking some more cues from its earlier days, especially in regards to the characters, the comedy and the adventure.
Indeed. What they gotta do this time is stick with it.
@@MasakoX I hope with how media and social media is now they would keep it up. Of course if it makes Shueisha money.
@@MasakoX Hopefully, because I honestly think we've hit the peak of what really can be done with Goku and Vegeta in terms of writing and powers. It was really neat to see the deities of the dragonball multiverse in super but it might have also accidently made a bit of a roadblock in telling any future stories because where do you go after gods?
You almost have to retire the old guard and bring in some fresh weaker characters? So I'm hoping all this Pan build up goes somewhere, but I guess we'll see.
The multiverse trip is truly something a DB can pull off. We have 11 completely different universes (Well, I guess there is universe 6, but they are quite unique in their own right) and why not spend time on them? The base universe of Dragon World already had near infinite potential, so multiplying it by 12 is like getting a good feast and then adding even more of it.
There's so much potential in the Dragon Ball Multi-verse, just give some credit to the fans that created there own spin on it as well. This wouldn't even be DragonBall's final form, you could connect to the games to the anime. Plus many more things I can't think of but other fans have probably thought of.
That's literally my wish after top arc. Hopefully next arc:)
The moment Goku was revealed as an alien, it took Dragon Ball and the Shounen Genre to a new level. Then the introduction of Trunks and the Androids are basically adding a new layer to the story. The best part about Dragon Ball is that it constantly changes its genre, and it keeps its roots at the same time. Right now most of the Shounen are applying this principle.
I hope this means the next saga/movie has a bit more adventurous. If only they was Oh, say, 12 other universes to explore with other sayains or superheroes or something...
It's almost like they were testing out motifs and themes and seeing which ones fans thought were interesting.
@@singletona082 Yeah, sadly they decided to just not tap into the potential of any of said topics. I really hope we see something of the rest of the Universes, I don't want the Multiverse thing being what space was in DBZ, a one-time thing with Namek. Two if you count the Kai's Sacred World.
Could you imagine setting up a dozen universes and doing nothing with them, good thing that didn't happen right...?
@@KaiserMattTygore927 HAHAHAHAHHAH... ha ha... ha...hmmm :( Well they can't let Vegeta's "I want to visit Sadala someday" go waste... *sigh* somday... man...
If they can write it well, I'd love to see a second attempt at the "grand tour" idea:
For some reason or another, the youngest (Pan, Bulla, Maron, Uub) want to set out to space - which their parents only begrudgingly allow after they manage to drag Trunks and Goten into it as "guardians". With Bulma packing them a lunch box consisting of a space ship the size of an apartment building (which Trunks and Bulla barely understand enough about to keep it from entirely falling apart), along with other amenities, they set out and have their space adventures on all the known and unknown planets.
Meanwhile, every other chapter/episode gives us a glimpse at the multiversal upheaval Goku, Vegeta and the other heavy hitters are currently investigating for the Angels. While initially seemingly unconnected aside from a crossover here or there, the two storylines eventually converge, as it turns out that many of the challenges the kids faced were connected to all that - so it all culminates in the now very experienced and well coordinated youngsters supporting the old guard in the final conflict against the BBEG.
I really liked the "slice of life" parts in Super, particularly the one with Future Trunks living a "normal" day in Gohan's house and meeting Pan and Videl. It's so good to lower the tone time to time without forcibly recurring to some stupid gags mid battle.
This is why I enjoyed the baseball game. It’s comedic, but everyone is still using all their powers and it’s creatively used and still gag-like and Yamcha is relevant again for one episode until the Moro arc.
The animation/ 3D isn’t bad at all.The full product will be awesome and people again will find a way to complain. This movie story already looks like it’ll be infinitely better than dbs broly lol. With gohan and piccolo the stakes feel real , the moment we see pan acknowledge gohan as “ the real super hero” will be heartwarming and amazing. The fact piccolo realize it’s not safe to just raid and blow up the base ( like Goku and vegeta) because of pan and instead decides to go undercover shows me this will be a movie with characters that use their brains instead of just muscles.
Honestly, the only problem with the movie’s animation is the just how the characters are animated. They’re animated similarly to how 2D anime is usually animated, on 3s and 4s, but everything else is animated much more smoothly. It’s literally the exact same problem FighterZ had with its cutscenes.
@@Azelf89 yeah that’s true but I think the extra time will help them.
@@Azelf89 Yes and with that, the animation will feel like more of an extended video game cutscene rather than what we had before in Resurrection F or Battle of Gods.
If the anime does come back and Super Hero is a success, Dragon Ball should follow what Pokémon Journeys did. There were two main. plots going on at the same time
Dragon Ball’s one of the few franchises that can Benjamin Button itself
Hm, interesting.
Good, fair and valid points.
I would like a story that focuses mainly on Pan and maybe her fellow kids in some ways.
I think Dragon Ball definitely needs to get its sense of adventure back.
Sure, DBZ was good but its focus on fights can't work well for so many arcs in a row, especially with the execution of Super. I would love to see the characters we know and love to go on an adventure again. Let them go to on of the other universes, let the younger characters go on a seperate journey, but I think the "main cast" could go on a journey as well.
Just look at One Piece. One Piece reached (in comparison in terms of power scaling) basically the Frieza saga with the current arc and it still has its sense of adventure every arc and it doesn't fall apart even though the Strawhats are one of the strongest crews in the world of One Piece right now. (besides the four emperors)
They also need to have more tactical fights as well, the potency of transformations can still be there to a degree but more characters should be able to use trickery or feints to win fights.
One piece is truly Dragonball's spiritual successor and I really wish Dragonball itself would take more cues from it's sense of adventure and fights that rely less on power scaling and more on being tactical.
Honestly seeing Pan have a spotlight after watching GT makes the movie exciting, I kinda hope the movie leads to a spin-off series that goes alongside the original series but is kind of its own thing that you can watch without needing the context of the main series.
I like how Dragonball Super Super Hero is going back to its roots to OG Dragonball and Early Dbz with the Red Ribbon Army returning and Piccolo training Pan. I would definitely would like to see a Dragonball sequel series with Pan going on her own adventures and making new friends similar to OG Dragonball.
Yes! Finally! Thank you! Those words hold true ever since I've made my second rewatch of the entirety of Super. It's also the reason why I, for undisclosed reasons, repeat watching the post-Goku Black "filler".
Focusing more on World Building is going to be very interesting and honestly I love the amount of it in the Granolah and Moro arcs.
“With instant transmission and flying, the world has gotten smaller” thank youuuu I’ve been tryna figure out why universe 7 feels so small now
That and we don't really explore it anymore. Seriously aside from brief spice of life stuff in super, when was the last time we really got a new city, town, planet, alien race (that was actually featured outside a guidebook), or anything like that in universe 7 itself? The namek saga? GT? I love super but it wouldn't hurt to do something unique with our own universe again.
Admittedly, I'm pretty sure Granolah did some of this but it hasn't been animated yet and I don't read the Manga.
Ultimate Piccolo is cool... just as cool as the story would be with him as the protagonist.
Agreed, I like that we seem to be getting away from "let's fly to a wasteland and fight"
I'm all for light hearted content with DB including other characters. I say they should be starting now to shift to the younger generation but plan it out. Don't just wing it and slap DB on it.
I love the idea of a Grand Tour.... and it not getting derailed and turned into 'Goku Time' Do what many shows do and have A and B plots. Goku and Vegetta off doing Divine God Things. Have Pan be the center and heart of Earth based Things. Gohan realizing he's let his work/life balance go to pot, Piccolo finding his place and relevance. Heck even Trunks and Goten actively doing something with themselves.
Would love to see what Bulla has gotten up to.
Grand Tour, having a Good Time.
GT: "Who are you?"
Super: "I'm you but evolving backwards in a good way."
You know its a strange one I do feel Super is closer to original Dragon Ball than Z. Not in regards to the art style. Toriyama was always a fan of using strong characters being unassuming. Giant beefcakes was more of a GT thing. To me it feels like with Toei getting direct guidelines and Toyotaros editor seemingly being a yes man we're getting the story exactly how Toriyama wants it. But that necessarily isn't a good thing. The best parts of the android saga was because the editor intervened, cell saga too. And because Jump effectively forced Toriyama's hand we got the Buu saga which hit or miss depending on who you ask is one of my favourites.
I'm not saying Super is bad because of this. Goku Black arc has been my favourite in both the anime and manga. But it really feels that those serious DBZ moments are almost lost on Super and that is a shame because I do feel you could have both.
i would love to see a series focusing on uub, pan, bulla, and maron while being mentored by the experienced veterans. Each of them have a special charm and the dynamic between them would be quite fulfilling to see flourish.
I don’t see the Vidal thing as wrong. The only thing to me that’s wrong is nobody jumping in faster for the characters. That’s mostly it for me because everybody else got big beatdowns like that before so that doesn’t really give me issue to be mad about it
This.
Videl's future husband literally got his neck broken when he was 5 ON SCREEN.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 facts like I’m like wtf, but it’s his opinion. So yeah
Him complaining about Videl getting bodied in every other video is really annoying. It's an action show about super powered martial artists and she was fighting basically evil superman. It happens to everyone in this show, what makes this any different?
@@Alex_Barbosa yup
I've always loved GT in spite of its incredible flaws with how it tried to do new things. Seeing them do what GT tried to do makes me happy honestly, while it had flaws it also kept the essence of Dragon Ball much better than Super did during its run in my opinion
Yeah but turning Goku into a kid again is the worst idea ever. It's stupid, unnecessary and nostalgia bait. Also He doesn't look like the kid goku with chubby arms lol
@@derek2288 yeah, because goku kept his muscles from years of training. Why would they remove it? How about criticizing properly.
@@lapplandkun9273 i wish i could. Im still halfway through super 17 arc 🤷
Dragonball and Evolution never went that well together..
I get it! ;)
I started reading the manga the other day. Theres some really cool stuff in it, but I am missing a lot of those slice of life moments. Slice of life is my favourite part of Dragonball. Vegeta being a dad is just so inherently entertaining.
They do it more so in the anime
For filer
I'm curious if the fanbase will ever be willing to accept that adventure format that DB and GT had?
It seems to me that the fanbase at large was most pleased when there were just fights and transformations. The aspects of Super/GT the fanbase tends to dislike stemmed seemingly from when they tried to harken back to DB's tone.
The issue I think we've got to now is we've reached a point where Goku and Vegeta have kind of reached the peak of what writers can really do with them, both in power and character development. Broly was a good work around because he was an adaptable foe but you cant do that with every enemy, so unless this franchise is willing to retire the old guard and give us some new weaker characters to follow on an adventure with I'm not sure sticking to things just being combat is sustainable in the long run?
I could be wrong goku prints money after all but my gut feeling tells me one day people are gonna get bored with the status quo so I'm hoping this movie really does focus on Pan and the other side characters who honestly are far more interesting than just watching Goku punch stuff.
@@rueceless7580 I mean, I'm pretty sure people have been saying Goku can't reasonably get stronger since the days of the frieza arc when he was beating characters who could (and literally did in frieza's case) blow up planets. Kinda hard to go anywhere from there and they still did.
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat The issue with that is we've hit God's and multiversal beings tier. Either the writers need to step away from just introducing stronger threats and focus on baddies with more out there powers or we need to bring in some new protagonists and let goku and vegeta fill a mentor role.
"You didn't have space threats or parrels at that"
Didn't Goku had to fight in a coliseum of demons? which was a prelude to Dabura's origin? and the moon rabbits?
The only moon rabbit I can think of is the time Goku used the power pole to put villain of the week Monster Carrot and his two henchmen on the moon as punishment for them terrorizing a town. And the only demon who wasn't later shown to be a Namekian was the second to last of Fortuneteller Baba's five fighters.
@@Andyjoe522 And wasn't that moon also blown up by Piccolo when training Gohan...
...Oh boy
@@BrotherRoga Heck, before that the moon was blown up by Master Roshi during the 21st WMAT to stop Goku from rampaging as a Ozaru. Kami only brought it back after Goku had his tail permanently removed before the 23rd tournament.
Sometimes you have to go back to the basics to move forward. Dragon Ball has a strong base that made fans fall in love with it in the first place so going back to it makes sense. As long as they keep it up, Dragon Ball will continue to get better.
I totally agree I hope they do change and go back to the journey but with the girls and uub. But also the sprinkle in Goku Vegeta and Broly fighting some insanely strong enemies here and there
But also have Goten and Trunks some character development
I’m legitimately surprised that Viz hasn’t sponsored one of your videos.
Honestly I got right behind you when you said Uub's name, anything that has him as an active member of the cast and where he can get some ACTUAL development is fine by me. Now I haven't read the Moro Arc as I'm waiting for the anime so I don't know if Uub there has good character development or not, but anything is better then what they did to him after they had him turn into Majuub with him getting the shaft after his first major fight. It was just disgusting, with him not even being useful in the very next Arc against Super 17, to paraphrase from Saiyan Scholar, he was like Krillin against Perfect Cell when Majuub tried to fight Super 17. He was supposed to be the second strongest person on the planet and he was utterly useless against him and Omega Shenron later down the line. Long rant short, I just feel like he deserved better and I pray he's done well in Dragon Ball Super.
I would love to see Dragonball go back to it's traditional Dragonball hunting origins, rather than powerful bad guy appears, fight, story arch over. Old Dragonball and even GT had an adventure where they end up coming across a strong bad guy.
But I guess Goku can now cover the entire Earth in a bunch of times in just 1 seco- but wait, in GT Goku had to travel the universe to find the Dragonball's and that is something Goku can't scour the entirety of in se- wait whis... Gosh darn it.
I guess if they decided to bring a non fight focused Adventure into the main series the Universe hopping Super Dragonballs would need to be the stakes, or Beerus and Whis would need to be busy.
I still feel they need to do spinoffs. The Mystic Adventure of Pan, Great Saya-man and His Super-Friends, Gohan's Conference Spectacular, and Dragonball Z-2.
The audience they're striving for on Sunday mornings would be more suited to the Adventure style story, and we've recently seen Inuyasha pull its spinoff Yashihime out of a nasty tailspin and solidly stick the landing with the plot threads duct taped at the end for a possible next season hinting at a new adventure that isn't retreading old ground (the major mistake of season 1). There's space for a next generation spinoff going fully back to its roots. You need an excuse for the characters to be off on their own like a character getting in trouble and being told to make things right on their own to give that character (probably Pan) an excuse to go across the world seeking the dragonballs without extreme help.
Honestly, the middle two were jokes, but they could benefit from a shorts series to play off the comedic elements sort of like TFS's HFIL series. Seeing the misadventures of Great Saya-Man, or Gohan trying to keep his work life on track while some offscreen evil is fighting his dad, or other nonsense would both give more exposure to the franchise and give an outlet for the nonsense that doesn't work as canon but that audiences want to see on occasion.
And DBZ2... one of the biggest complaints about Super is, as you said, that it's trying to be Z while aiming for the Sunday morning demographic. Obviously "2" is too obvious and some grittier name would be helpful, but a spinoff that can carry on the brutal fights that certain parts of the fandom want. And most likely, of these spinoffs, this is the best one to drop "Dragonball" from the name. Have the characters cursed to be unable to be wished back, or sent to Universe 13 that doesn't have Dragonballs, or something else so death briefly seems to have consequences. Until the new MacGuffin makes it so it doesn't. The focus could be Goku and Vegeta accomplishing some larger mission through a series of arcs that mostly involve temporary characters like Suno who we get to know but who don't continue in the main cast as a "Wait for Goku" squad.
The main thing is to separate the characters. Pan can't be relevant with her father helping her every time things get even slightly tough. The Z-fighters who aren't Goku and Vegeta can't be relevant with Goku and Vegeta completely outclassing them. And Goku and Vegeta even lose something when the story is constantly having to make excuses for them to not be there to inject the "Wait for Goku" squad fights.
Having a storyline with the younger generation is probably the best way to grow the franchise, especially if we leave certain already over exposed adults out of the way most of the time. With Pan, Bra, Marrin, Uub, Trunks, Goten and maybe one of Android 17’s kids you actually have a good core of heroes. And DBS already gave us the villain (such as he is) to face them - Emperor Pilaf and Co. I can already think of one conflict with that set-up: Trunks having to deal with his complicated feelings towards Mai (and vice versa). As for other adults, maybe limit it to a couple characters who could use the development. Maybe they can finally give Videl something to do?
So for this cast we’d have:
Pan: the hero
Bra: the Princess (which she is)
Marrin: the good girl
Trunks: the Genius
Goten: the “dude”
Uub: the fish out of water
17’s kid: not sure
Videl: the Adult.
Pilaf: The bungling villain
Mai: the bad girl the Genius falls for.
Yeah, I think this could work.
I think Marron is more complex than that. Start with the squib in muggle kindergarten, not knowing the right things to say to belong or seem cool, but also be taken seriously. After years of trial and error, she learns how to lie to be believed. Her family and friends, she decides, are her secrets to keep, and anyone who wouldn’t believe her doesn’t deserve to know. But by middle school, rumors get around. “Watch what you say around Marron, or she’ll tell her parents, and they will BREAK you.” Not wanting her family and friends to feel guilty on her behalf, she keeps her struggles private, putting on music to cheer herself up before telling her parents with a big smile that everything’s great. She stays supportive of her family and friends, while avoiding most of the regular kids at school, stopping to occasionally tell a plausible lie to squash a rumor that could get them into trouble. She feels that it is her duty to keep all these secrets a secret, so the people close to her can keep their happy lives. But the breaking point could come during high school, when Goten is finally going on dates. Goten is trying to be a regular boy, and dating is what regular boys do. But the Saiyan in him can’t stand this stuff. He’d go through girl after girl, trying to find someone as exciting as Videl or Chichi, asking Trunks how he was able to find someone cool like Mai, while he’s stuck with no one but boring normal girls. …And that’s why Marron is complicated.
From a narrative standpoint I am 100% on board. But I cannot get past the visuals of the new movie. If the movie is a success I am hoping they take JUST the narrative part and run with it and leave the disgusting visuals behind.
Watch out, Masako can see right through your concerns and knows your actually just being a hater.
I cant really say I like or hate this movie because I haven't seen it yet, the premise sounds fun though. As to how it turns out I guess I'll find out in a few months?
As for the CGI? Eh I'd prefer traditionally animated 2D graphics but to the trailer's credit the CGI isn't awful here, it's certainly of higher quality than what Gundam has been using lately in it's movies and OVAs with fluid animation and emotive models, I'm happy to give this new style a chance. It didn't really bother me in Broly. *shrugs*
Glad to hear
I don't completely blame anyone for not liking CGI anime. From what I have seen of most CGI anime they tend to look uncanny, not quite right anything else. I think it's similar to The Uncanny Valley effect when it comes to CGI characters in live-action movies. It never looks quite right unless the story is about how they don't look the same as everything else around them.
Krillen dies - "Things have changed forever"... no, they just stay the same lol. Krillen has been Krillen'd again!
To quote a famous pie, “It is evolving, just backwards.”
I’m glad that this movie is focusing on the next gen. One problem that Super had was that Goku and Vegeta were always there to save the day while the other characters were put to the side. I’m glad that they are making Piccolo and Gohan the new leaders of the Z fighters while Goku and Vegeta are off training and going on their own adventures. It makes me think about how I’d love to see different Dragonball Series with one following Goku and Vegeta and the other following the Z fighters on earth. There’s so many great characters in Dragonball that there’s so many different possibilities and idea’s they could do.
2:22 I always assumed his antenna was kinda like his hair. Say if he transforms instead of getting bangs/spiked hair they would just stick straight up and glow.
2:30 Now with ✨2 hands✨
WOW This is INTERESTING Discussion About The DB Fandom as The Whole
0:34 who are we kidding there's going to be fan translations online the same night
if all of this happens than i would be all up for it two parallel plots one for the younger z-fighters and the other parallel plot for goku ,vegeta,broly ect and sometimes they would all just come and check up on each other i can't wait to see the dbs movie and see what will happen i did always love dragon ball and goku going with bulma on a little adventures so i think it will be just fine people are pretty angry about the trailers but i think it will be good
I like the Gammas. I hope they stick around. It just depends on how they come across in the movie. But I feel they could have a real fun 17/18 kinda vibe.
Here's the very probable plot : Pan Will be training with Piccolo or Goku. Pan will end up being taken hostage. Gohan will go find her and somehow be dressed as Great Saiyaman The two enemies we see are probably android that will create perfect Cell again and they seem to act goofy like Great saiyaman. Gohan will fight Cell but Cell will now have Gohan Genes, half breed saiyan potential or something like that. Pan will end up saving the day at the end the way Gohan used to do it inconciously or something. Pan is a character i'd love to see become important.
Elder Kai didn't Unlock Gohan's Potential, that's what Saichoro did on Namek. Basically it breaks down the barriers in the recipient's growth, so they don't face any bottlenecks and need to Break their Limits.
What Elder Kai does is Unleash the recipient's potential, granting them the capability to skip all those decades of training and tap 100% of their potential now
What if gohan's gift pass down to pan
Damn I thought the title was a buzzfeed article…
My 2 cents. None of this is happening. It's just wishful thinking. This is a one off movie meant to introduce us to Pan. No adventure or hijinks will follow.
Interesting
At this point, Dragon Ball needs to become more like Discworld. It already has the plentitude of characters to pull from and attitudes necessary to make different genres, while the looseness of rules and new threats means that there can be crossovers whenever.
This assumes that Dragon Ball will keep going but it will.
This a good thing Goku and Vegeta do there own thing off of earth while everyone on earth does there thing everyone gets what they want 👍.
I really want the new generation to start to phase in. goten & trunks, pan, Uub. Time has stood still since Buu. I have a lot of doubts that we will ever truly get there.
Yeah we've kind of reached the end of what you can really do with Goku and Vegeta, also kind of hard to make a credibly written threat over the god level of super has introduced.
@@rueceless7580 I think Goku and vegeta could go on like they have been for a looong time. The question is do we need that.
I can only speak for myself but I have to admit I've definitely got a little bored with Goku and Vegeta lately, I think we may need some new blood in the protagonist spot if for no other reason than to justify a lowering of threat scale of enemies?
GT was a continuation of Z. Super is like a retroactive step back to Dragon Ball.
When was this video filmed? Super Hero movie has been delayed indefinitely since Toei because got hacked
I think it is a interesting approach if we are going back to more of a adventure driven show and for us older fans who seen dragon ball it would be a breath of fresh air. Sure there are some things that I would like to see changed in one way or another but it has interest while hoping it doesn’t get buried from the likes of Goku and Vegeta
Dragon ball? Evolving? You mean Dragon ball Evolutio---
I will see myself out.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm only glad the Red Ribbon Army wasn't reborn as the Red Pants Army.
(Though I'd still like to know who the new Commander and Staff Officer is... Nevermind! I figured it out! It's Magenta and Carmine ^^ )
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Honestly, Masakos Goku is his weakest voice of all of them.
I do love his Frieza and Piccolo.
That's fair.
Lol
Krillin was dying before it was cool
I really think OG DB was peak Dragonball. Comedy was fun, adventures were great, and all the new techniques we would see were fun and interesting. I miss the times when Goku would train to get new techniques and not train just to get a new form. Although, I can't say that the forms aren't cool.
I did not like the CG in Broly. I guess I will just rewatch it until I get used to CG in Dragon Ball.
Bulla and Marron are the two cutest cutie pies who have ever been cute. And for that reason alone, GT is an absolute win in my book. And what about Valese? She’s adorable!
I knew Tao was a serious dude when he ran up Korin’s tower. Like, literally ran up it.
I just kinda hope they eventually gives us a "spin off" about universe 6
when i hear that "hey folks" i swear i hear goku haha!
Wait It Was Evolving
Masako:always has been
The first few chapters of GT are precisely what I liked most about it due to their adventure-centric plot, hopefully the new movie pulls this off well and really focuses on Gohan, Piccolo and Pan rather than the OP Saiyans.
I was saying at the end of the Moro saga that it was time for a quest for the (super) dragon balls. It would shake things up, plus it would actually add some stakes for all the damage Moro did.
Really enjoyed the video today but also feel I have to admit, keep having lots of small alarm bells go off in my head. Some the result of YT itself admittedly as its encouraging the behavior. Am starting to worry I may find myself moving on :S
I don't agree that the disdain for DB using 3D animation as its primary animation was "vitriol" for its own sake, I was and still am very concerned about this as well, I grew up when 3D animation started to get its foot in the door, one of the worst cases of 2D animation becoming 3D was when Transformers Armada ended and the sequel Energon came out and was a a disgusting unwatchable mess, partially because the 3D animation was so impossibly unsightly that even when I was a kid with much lower standards I wasn't going to have any of that.
Yea, Masako has a bad habit of taking any criticism at all as "just complaining for its own sake"
I still dont get why people hate on the cg art.
i been saying that super was more like dragonball than it is dragonball z since it first started. comedy is the main reason too, super doesn't take itself too seriously if there isn't a major story arc happening, its humor is implemented much better. z was just corny when it tried to be funny. also z didn't get a dr stump crossover
Smooth Piccolo isn't real he can't hur-
*Smooth Piccolo:*
An arc in the manga of them taking on a big bad in universe 6 or another universe entirely would be pretty cool.
They already did that with zamasu Who's from Universe 10
@@XJSPlays02 Yeah, but in their alternate SAME timeline. An arc on planet sadala would be prtty cool.
Kinda wondering if we will see the saiyaman costume in superhero? Im guessing dr hedos hero worship isnt really about goku but gohan or rather his alter ego. Im guessing gohan kinda retired saiyaman sometime after the boo arc in new cannon
I personally think that dragon ball(z/super)has certain recurring villains. And in my opinion, they are:
Dragon ball:mercenary Dao
Dragon ball z:frieza
Dragon ball super:frieza/goku black and zamazu
Oh yeah gt is the three shenrons
I read the title of the video and thought
We getting Journey to the West again?
DBS: Super Hero has been delayed indefinitely. We don't know when its coming out now. Def not in april as originally intended...
I’m very hyped for this movie
was this video recorded earlier in the month? I thought Super Hero's release has been delayed indefinitely due to that hack
I don't believe much in this possibility...returning to Goku and just the Dragon Ball Z big serious fight with strong enemy thing is not something they did just with GT, Dragon Ball Z did it first. Goku dying in the Cell Saga and Gohan taking his place as protagonist could have been just that. The start of a new journey, the path of a new younger hero to follow. The problem is what could have that journey really looked like? When you think about it, we did "explore" the Dragon Ball Earth in the OG and after that, it seemed to have suddenly got smaller, with just showing either big cities or islands in the vast ocean or wastelands for the heroes to fight the villains in....the world lost the appeal. What could have Gohan have done there that wasn't already seen with Goku? So it was either create something new to explore, like GT did with space, or, I don't know, some kind of Demon World maybe?
But they didn't. They thought l"et's just create a new big bad guy and find a way to defeat him again, let's go through it all but with Gohan, except no, people want Goku bad and he works with this kind of stuff so...let's do that instead." And Super has been much of the same.
It's sad because Super introduced the Multiverse concept but they did in a confusing way. Take the MCU Multiverse, the way it is explained after the events of Lokis is pretty much different universes are born from branches in an original timeline, so a different universe is one were things at some point in history have gone in a different direction than the one the MCU heroes are in.
In Super there's both different universes and different timelines, Universes just seem to be separated Universes like Galaxies are different Galaxies. That's much less interesting to me, the classic Multiverse interpretation in media would have allowed for example to travel in a Universe where Goku's life went differently, maybe there's no Frieza, so the Sayans live on and dominate the Universe and Kakarot have taken over and he's "the Sayan Emperor" and rules over the galaxy like Frieza did. Think about Goku and Vegeta trapped in this universe dominated by a Sayan Empire, traveling from planet to planet maybe with alternatives versions of their allies and enemies, making their way liberating this universe while looking for a way to go home, until they get to the main villain of the saga....Kakarot himself. Wouldn't have it been much more entertaining than this?
But the creators don't seem to have the "guts" to get creative and Super has been a retalling of an already seen story, today is a God, tomorrow is a reborn enemy, then it's a wizard, again, then it's an enemey from the past of the sayans, and there's this new transformation, where Goku's hair are red instead of yellow, then are blue, then are silver....it's just the same, over and over.
Is it bad that I think Dragon Ball should have ended after the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc, and that every evolution of the franchise from the FREEZA arc onward is where the damage began?
To be fair, the end of DB was a good stopping off point as was the arrival of SSJ.
@@MasakoX Honestly, I just feel like retconning Goku and Piccolo into aliens and trying to say that alien hybrids like Gohan have massive hidden potential were big mistakes that fundamentally damaged the series in permanent ways that it can't recover from.
Couldn't Piccolo get his "Potential Unlocked" from the current Guru of New Namek. Like how the old one did from Gohan & Krillin
Assuming it's something that can be transferred then I don't see any issue with it. However, there's also a chance it's a thing elders get after they hit a certain milestone in their lifespan, or alternatively all namekians are capable of doing again, once they hit a certain milestone with meditation.
That's something that I honestly always wondered myself but I doubt we'll ever get anything considering Toriyama just makes stuff up as he goes. One of dragon balls greatest mysteries I guess
masakox write more about what if. dragon ball heroes
Why can't we consider the idea of having multiple series set up in the Dragon Ball Universe? Instead of viewing continuations as one singular story, why not have different stories set up within this one universe (a la DC or Marvel comics)? Then you can have your gritty stories, as well as your slice of life and adventure stories.
From a TV standpoint, this had existed for a bit in the Doctor Who universe. At one point there were three different shows for three different demographics. You still had the main story (Doctor Who) but for those who wanted the more adult story, you had Torchwood, and for those who wanted a show for the little ones, you had The Sarah Jane Adventures. Why not incorporate that into the DB Universe?
the hack situation is resolved
I think gt elements need to implemented down in the future
Remember, the movie has been postponed with no new date yet.
Not completely backwards, more like very slowly and sometimes backwards