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I think the problem with Ultra Ego is that it's equivalent to feeling no pain. It means you can go on and on for longer than normal, but even if Vegeta won't get tired, there will be a point when his body stops being able to function.
I'd have to disagree I'm sure he can feel it but his issue is he treats it differently than his other forms. He should not be aiming to get hit. He needs to fight like normal and boom the form is a great advantage. He treats it like he CAN take all those hits which is his downfall.
14:33 i take slight issue with calling Broly "a big menace for Gogeta in his blue form" considering the director of the movie said he kinda struggled to make that final fight scene look like it had any tension purely because of how overwhelmingly powerful Gogeta was compared to Broly
@@Patrick-fk4ef between this and his "what if vegito never unfused" what if, im convinved masako doesnt realize how stupidly overpowered fusion really is
@@TokyoDrift456 Totally, Kale and Caulifla went from not even being able to beat a fatigued SSJ2 Goku and then Kefla was able to force Goku into Ultra Instinct
I should have saw that Bardock joke coming Masako! I really thought you'd do that with Pan! Of course I'm watching the video while typing this so, we'll see!
I have a theory that angels can see in a complete sphere all around them. That's why Whis keeps emphasizing that they're fundamentally different lifeforms, and keeps telling Goku he needs to find his own way to use UI.
Ultra Ego Vegeta is so freaking neat. Every frame where it is illustrated in the manga has him looking unhinged. I dont know if it's the lack of eyebrows or what. Just an absolute unit with a touch of psychopathy.
But why though? What she does even do or accomplish in the grand scheme of things? I mean I could see her being a gunner or sniper. But throwing hands with the saiyans, Frieza, Androids, Cell or any of the Buu’s? Yeah no I think not. She becomes useless and irrelevant like all of the other humans by the end of the day. I just don’t see how you could take that premise and make it interesting.
as far as what saiyan pride actually IS, my interpretation is basically its just having the will and resolve to stand up for your beliefs, no matter what. those beliefs may change in time, but the drive to never waver in your beliefs is what i see 'saiyan pride' as. this works in the saiyan saga, where Vegeta's belief was that he was the strongest so he would NEVER back down from a fight even if he might be outmatched, all the way up to the present day, where he has things he cares about (other then himself) that he wants to protect, so he will fight tooth and nail to his last breath to defend them. As for Brolly, i REALLY love what they did with him in super, even as a big fan of OG Brolly. Not only did they make him an ACTUAL CHARACTER, but the whole idea of him harnessing the inner oozaru power that was a stand-out feature of saiyans before Toriyama forgot it existed in order to give his 'humanoid' self insane boosts? it was great. Oozaru is a big part of the identity of the saiyans that hasn't been touched on in FOREVER. but this, conversely, is why i absolutely do NOT want him to unlock Bluepersaiyan. Think about it. a power that is beyond the normal limits of even a supersaiyan, that harnesses the inner great ape to unlock a source of power far greater then even the highest of supersaiyan forms? that sounds like supersaiyan 4 to me, which i always hated being called SUPERSAIYAN 4 when it clearly tied so heavily into their Oozaru state. why wasn't it called something like 'mastered oozaru'? Super Brolly has become the PERFECT opportunity to revisit that concept. his own power is tied to oozaru, and he's already FAR above ssj3 in power, so why not use him to canonise the immensely popular supersaiyan 4 form, while still keeping him unique from other saiyans? the form fits his new lore SO well and im sure most fans would love to see it make a return, so why not?!
I'm honestly surprised Hit is not on this list. Was it an oversight or do you legitimately consider him weaker than the 15 in this list? Not criticizing, it's a personal opinion obviously. Just genuinely curious.
@@marqueskates5873 even if the fight just started he is still taking both on them at the same time and is seemingly winning rn. So even if they do mange to pull off a win they still wouldn't individually be stronger than gas cause its a joint effort...unless we get a new transformation 😅
@@MasakoX really now, if you're referring what i think you're referring to, which you probably are, i still think Vegito and Gogeta are pehaps the most prominent example of fusion within DB purely because they're Vegito and Gogeta, im not complaining or anything, just something i found noteworthy
I'm glad to see Piccolo get such a high number here. Interestingly enough in the manga, he was the only fighter able to fight alongside Gohan against 73. Gohan was the same power as Kefla during the TOP so Piccolo should be around Ss2 Kefla level lol.
Kefla in manga was weaker than her anime version. She didn't have there ss2 and when fused wasn't at full strengh due to kale and faul fla acumulated damage. Still thats pretty masive power up, even if kefla was below fused zamasu.
@@marqueskates5873 Because Goku was literally off of his guard. And this is literally his second time using it the entire fight. Secondly, I would say they're pretty even in all honesty.
This ranking is actually not bad! Here's how I see it myself, without including characters and powerups from a movie thats not out yet: 1. Gas 2. Granolah 3. Vegeta 4. Goku 5. Broly 6. Jiren 7. Topo 8. Gohan 9. Frieza 10. Hit 11. Kale 12. 17 13. Dyspo 14. BUU 15. Merus / OG73 Merus and OG73 are basically able to be placed anywhere, since OG73 can just copy anyone on this list and be on par with them. And Merus tho being mortal still has the experience and knowledge of an angel, meaning he could probably tap into UI. But we have no idea how strong that would make him right now.
If goku basically got one shotted by hit I don't think frieza can figure out hits technique fast enough or that easy. Hits isn't weaker. He just had bad match ups in the TOP Dysbo and Jiren. Remember goku was struggling alot against hit
@@darkidthedemon Thats very fair but remember true golden frieza was on equal with TOP ssblue goku. So in terms of power level I still think it isnt far fetched that Frieza is over Hit, though you're right Hits techniques could still make the difference
Isn’t kale currently the strongest universe 6 sayian? Against goku, before they fused she was still able to take much more damage than a super sayian 2 caulifla. Hell, the reason for them fusing was because caulifla couldn’t escape goku’s attack while lake tanked it, barely being bothered.
Full beefed out berserker Kale was definitely stronger then Caulifla, even at ssj2, but utterly out of control. a smart opponent could even play around that. but from what we saw, once she 'mastered' the form, regained control and became sleeker, she seemed to lose a LOT of power, being roughly as strong as Caulifla. Kale in her current state sacrifices some sheer powerlevel in order to...not be insane lol
@@seanread5556 I’m talking about the controlled form here, not the berserk form. When they were both fighting goku are where I use examples of their difference in strength.
Scaling for kale makes no sense in the manga. She slaps around goku and freiza alone as kale, but then loses to gohan while fused. Either gohan is stronger than goku and freiza or kefla is weaker than kale by herself.
Dyspo definitely deserves his own slot lol. Super Dyspo (Lightspeed Mode) is a monster more dangerous than base Toppo (though I suppose he might push the squad as a unit off the chart)
I hate saying this, because I am not a fan of fusion being overused... But it'll be really cool to see Gogeta with Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego going off at the same time.
On the topic of kale was I the only person who thought her story in the ToP felt like a sped up version of gohan’s in early Z a quiet shy character with enormous innate potential that tends to erupt out of them in moments of extreme anger until they learned to harness it?
I actually think hit has been training with vados, since champa seems to be interested in him and wants to keep him close. And if hit has been training with vados, he could probably reach ssjb goku.
Kinda disagree with Ultra Ego Vegeta not having a weakness because he clearly does. While it's true that UE allows Vegeta to grow stronger as he takes more damage, that is also a double edged sword as Vegeta would get lost in his lust for battle and when he takes too much damage he can no longer sustain the form and loses it, making it pretty risky
That's only if he fights the way he did against granola but in the Gas fight he was keeping up with PUI Goku and dodging Gas' attacks without sustaining too much damage.
My list Manga version 1 Gas 2 Goku 3 Vegeta 4 Granolah 5 Broly 6 Jiren 7 Gohan 8 Piccolo 9 Gama 1 10 Gama 2 11 Frieza 12 Hit 13 Toppo 14 Kale 15 android 17
1: Gas 2: Granola 3: Broly (if he gets god Ki from training) 4: Vegeta 5: Goku 6: Broly if he doesn’t have god Ki 7: Jiren 8: Gohan 9: Piccolo 10: Frieza 11: Gamma 1 & 2 12: 17 13: Toppo 14: Mister Buu 15: Hit 16: Kale Honorable mention to Uub, Merus & 7-3. 9-16 are extremely arguable.
I always wished they made Gohan the strongest and kept him on earth as there defender while Goku f’d off on his adventures or w/e. Cuz the strongest should remain on earth.
I feel like there's an Asterisk due here for both "Current Power levels unknown," for a few of these entries, like the bots from Super Heroes, Freeza, and Merus. Also another for being in no particular order. Putting the bots above Freeza because at least one of them can match up with Gohan? Don't make sense, when I'd say Gohan likely isn't stronger than Freeza, and same for Piccolo.
In the manga Piccolo & Gohan really upped their training. If Gohan & Frieza were relative in the ToP, Gohan probably surpassed him. I’m less certain of Piccolo. Merus could be the weakest one on this list, we really don’t know about him.
Something I misunderstood going back to the saiyan and namek sagas, Goku started those fights very lean, but by the end he was very muscular. At the time I thought this was part of his saiyan biology and his innate lust for battle, the more he fights the stronger he gets. I kind of like that Ultra Ego seems to be drawing on that, Vegeta is like the Incredible Hulk in that the longer he's fighting, the stronger he gets.
No, just no. Where is Hit..... Kale and Caulifla do not even stack up to Goku and Vageta from the Buu saga. Gohan was not on par with Freiza in the top. Side note these are only dbs catcters so this video needs a name change.
Caulifla actually only the 3rd strongest Sayain of universe 6. Cabba is 2nd and Kale is the strongest. It easy to miss but there's a couple lines that say he is. Caulifla is just more "battle inclined" the either of her comrades.
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz I really don't get people calling them Sues. They both have flaws. They're just really good at fighting, it's not like Caulifla found the cure for cancer or anything. Besides Goku defeated em kinda hard to call em Sues when they lose.
Still think devilman from the original DB could have beat nearly anyone in dbs, because if they can sense energy he’ll seem weak and then just instability them.
while i agree with 14 of the choices here i dont exctly believe broly's was fitting, i feel he shouldve been at the top cause...you have to remember what broly's power is and how its used, he has a MASSIVE zenkai boost that doesnt even necissarily mean he has to be damaged, just that he has to be in the heat of battle, allowing him to go from struggling at base vegeta to easily topping ssb goku and vegeta TOGETHER in an extremely short amount of time
Ultra ego vegeta is okay but still think that super saiyan four would suit him better not only as who vegeta is but also my own reason of just saiyaning ss4 is awesome transformation
Caulifla is actually only the 3rd strongest Sayain of universe 6, Cabba being 2nd and Kale being number 1. Caulifla is just more willing to jump fist first in a fight.
Hold on a minute why do you have Gas and Granolah tied at 3 when Gas is clearly much stronger and UI Goku and UE Vegeta combined are both struggling against Gas? Also how is UI Goku and UE Vegeta above at the moment when they were being pushed back even tho they worked together? Angel Moro would be above Jiren and Broly yet he isn't on your list.
MASAKO ik SSJ4 is most improvable for Unaverse 6 saiyan but for the sake of argument if they can't get the SSJ4 form we all know and love. What could be a cool variation of SSJ4 in their unaverse?
Y'know you bring up something interesting in this - the Pride Troopers have unique abilities whereas the Dragon Team "just use Solar Flare." And honestly, I can see what you're geting at but it feels a bit unfair, y'know? Well, ask yourself. Who outside the Dragon Team and Cell actually use Solar Flare? Or even anything like it? Solar Flare is a technique only used by Turtle and Crane school students, and those who've copied their moves (like Cell and Buuhan). And even though ki waves aren't uncommon, the Kamehameha - and especially all of the variations of it that Goku has performed - is unique to Turtle School students and copiers. Not to mention the Mafuba - the Evil-Sealing Wave, is pretty much only used by Master Roshi. The Multiform technique is basically unique to Tien and Chiaotzu, and Self-Fission is limited to Piccolo and Majin Buu. There's a lot of interesting powers among the Dragon Team. The problem is, none of them win major fights compared to powering up, transforming, and then either pulling a move or transformation outta your butt, or tossing a Super Spirit Bomb. And that's basically limited to Goku these days.
I just thought of something horrifying Ultimate golden frieza Considering how much latent potential frieza has (only training for 4 months and rivaling blue goku) if he got an ultimate form and stacked with the golden form could easily destroy goku and possibly rival beerus
So "Mastered" Ultra Instinct isnt actually mastered? Then why the name? Also, weird to not place the people that literally became the strongest narrative wise, as the strongest in the list.... Even if the others have more potential for later, it's not really relevant when the list is supposed to be about the present.
Not just Masako but anybody in the comments is mentioning the absence of future Trunks, but well according to the manga he shouldn't be there, but if we consider the anime there is no way he cannot be there.
I know this is gonna be perceived as a "lame" desire, but I really want to see Ultra Ego Vegeta and Ultra Instinct Goku fuse in Ultra Vegito/Gogeta. And also, we'd get a new cool character to use in the various dragonball games.
We dont know if he kept his power after no longer being an angel anymore, so non-angel Merus might not be on this level of power. so i really doubt he should have kept a rank on here. but at least you addressed it.
I don't understand why people would want Broly to get blue. He has already shown to get to the level of gods with his own power, they should just explore that. Plus it would be rather boring to take have him go down the same paths as Vegeta and Goku.
Well kale already mastered her beserk power during the tournament of power so she's already found her true potential. This list is mainly hypotheticals and character development instead of hard facts using feats and statements like ultra ego vegeta is objectively weaker than Gas and granolah and we see him lose to them.
Heres a bit of a counter-argument to this. Its not Mastered, but rather its controlled. When she is going berserk, she is getting stronger until he rbody cannot physically withstand the power. When its controlled, she can use the power but not to its capabilities as the berserk state. Same with Broly, his power just keeps rising until pop, his body explodes. We've seen this happen with Sanganbo in the manga when Moro fueled him with too much energy.
yeah, when Kale was fully berserk it basically took JIREN stepping in to stop her (a bunch of the others there probably could of too, but at greater risk) but when she used it in the controlled state versus the group of pride troopers next to her wi-FRIEND Caulifla, they seemed to be contributing pretty much equally. non-berserk Kale seems about on par with ssj2 Caulifla, but MUCH weaker then her enraged state
@@PokemonProfessorNebula Here's a bit of a counter-argument to this. I'm talking about the anime and It's stated that kale mastered her beserk power and it was also stated her new mastered form is actually stronger than her beserk form. The whole exploding bodies thing is in the manga only so those don't apply to broly or kale in the anime which I'm talking about also broly growing stronger is just his innate adaptability not his super saiyan forms.
@@seanread5556 Well it's stated her mastered form is actually stronger than her beserk form so it can just be that caulifla got stronger as the tournament went on which was stated and shown was the case
I wonder if Ultra Ego Vegeta maintains his power amp through receiving damage if he's also being healed. if he's got a sack of senzu or a healer in the party does stamina become his only real weakness?
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I'm surprised Monaka isn't on the list.
But yeah, a list that is 15-4: the 12 Angels, 3. G.P., 2-1: Zenos would just devolve into headcanon to put them at a number
I really thought hit would be on the list he was clearly stronger than dyspo and the pride troopers.
What kinds of transformations or techniques do you think humans should learn? Can you do a video on this?
Hit
I think the problem with Ultra Ego is that it's equivalent to feeling no pain. It means you can go on and on for longer than normal, but even if Vegeta won't get tired, there will be a point when his body stops being able to function.
so after using the form its like a hangover
@@alexjackyperson101 pretty much
@@alexjackyperson101 I can't stop laughing at the idea of a form giving you a hangover
I'd have to disagree I'm sure he can feel it but his issue is he treats it differently than his other forms. He should not be aiming to get hit. He needs to fight like normal and boom the form is a great advantage. He treats it like he CAN take all those hits which is his downfall.
Ultra Instinct Goku: Less is more...
Ultra Ego Vegeta: But imagine how much more *more* is!
14:33 i take slight issue with calling Broly "a big menace for Gogeta in his blue form" considering the director of the movie said he kinda struggled to make that final fight scene look like it had any tension purely because of how overwhelmingly powerful Gogeta was compared to Broly
Seriously. Once Gogeta goes SSB, Broly doesn't land a single attack for the rest of the fight.
@@Patrick-fk4ef between this and his "what if vegito never unfused" what if, im convinved masako doesnt realize how stupidly overpowered fusion really is
@@TokyoDrift456 Totally, Kale and Caulifla went from not even being able to beat a fatigued SSJ2 Goku and then Kefla was able to force Goku into Ultra Instinct
@@DSiLite comparing vegeta to vegito like that feels really weird, especially since it kinda seems he doesnt realize how overpowered fusion really is
@@kormack69l35 Didn't they force him into SSG then fuse or did Goku just do that for fun?
I mostly agree with this. Aside from the top 5 places.
My top 5,
1. Gas
2. Granolah
3. Ue vegeta
4. Ui goku
5. Jiren
Then broly and then the others
Swap Jiren for Broly and you'd be right.
@@galaxystudios370 jiren is stronger unless broly trained
@@DeltaSanz Broly's the stronger one.
I could give proof, but I recommend watching Revolushane's videos on the subject.
I fully agree with you top 5
I should have saw that Bardock joke coming Masako! I really thought you'd do that with Pan! Of course I'm watching the video while typing this so, we'll see!
I have a theory that angels can see in a complete sphere all around them. That's why Whis keeps emphasizing that they're fundamentally different lifeforms, and keeps telling Goku he needs to find his own way to use UI.
that very true and same can applied to vegeta with god of destruction power
360 god view
Ultra Ego Vegeta is so freaking neat. Every frame where it is illustrated in the manga has him looking unhinged. I dont know if it's the lack of eyebrows or what. Just an absolute unit with a touch of psychopathy.
Agreed. I did the design. Even the eyebrows. Last sentence kinda sounds like classic Z Vegeta in a nutshell, haha.
Good list. Where would you place Aniraza and light speed Dyspo?
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But why though? What she does even do or accomplish in the grand scheme of things? I mean I could see her being a gunner or sniper. But throwing hands with the saiyans, Frieza, Androids, Cell or any of the Buu’s? Yeah no I think not. She becomes useless and irrelevant like all of the other humans by the end of the day. I just don’t see how you could take that premise and make it interesting.
Her blond form should be a secret super Saiyan .
as far as what saiyan pride actually IS, my interpretation is basically its just having the will and resolve to stand up for your beliefs, no matter what. those beliefs may change in time, but the drive to never waver in your beliefs is what i see 'saiyan pride' as. this works in the saiyan saga, where Vegeta's belief was that he was the strongest so he would NEVER back down from a fight even if he might be outmatched, all the way up to the present day, where he has things he cares about (other then himself) that he wants to protect, so he will fight tooth and nail to his last breath to defend them.
As for Brolly, i REALLY love what they did with him in super, even as a big fan of OG Brolly. Not only did they make him an ACTUAL CHARACTER, but the whole idea of him harnessing the inner oozaru power that was a stand-out feature of saiyans before Toriyama forgot it existed in order to give his 'humanoid' self insane boosts? it was great. Oozaru is a big part of the identity of the saiyans that hasn't been touched on in FOREVER. but this, conversely, is why i absolutely do NOT want him to unlock Bluepersaiyan. Think about it. a power that is beyond the normal limits of even a supersaiyan, that harnesses the inner great ape to unlock a source of power far greater then even the highest of supersaiyan forms? that sounds like supersaiyan 4 to me, which i always hated being called SUPERSAIYAN 4 when it clearly tied so heavily into their Oozaru state. why wasn't it called something like 'mastered oozaru'? Super Brolly has become the PERFECT opportunity to revisit that concept. his own power is tied to oozaru, and he's already FAR above ssj3 in power, so why not use him to canonise the immensely popular supersaiyan 4 form, while still keeping him unique from other saiyans? the form fits his new lore SO well and im sure most fans would love to see it make a return, so why not?!
Clearly Mr. Popo is so powerful even considering him on this list would be an insult. Good choice keeping him off.
he clearly said no divine beings were allowed on the list ;) pecking order!
I can’t remember the last time Vegeta’s gotten a W!
Toppo bro
Toppo
Thanks for the reminder.
He was instrumental in Moro's defeat, does that count?
@@matti.8465 I guess it counts because without Vegeta there would be no defeating Moro without destroying earth. Actually yes that counts as a W
No one should disagree with me on this 😮💨 the strongest in the universe is Elec’s glock.
Agreed
wow 2 video already!? (great!)
I'm honestly surprised Hit is not on this list. Was it an oversight or do you legitimately consider him weaker than the 15 in this list? Not criticizing, it's a personal opinion obviously. Just genuinely curious.
Honestly an oversight.
hits time powers and such make him top tier.And if he's been training with vados, then he could be even more powerful.
Great point!
Super ruined him when they showed that being more powerful than him makes his abilities useless
@@Vivi_9 he could just get stronger. And I think he is.
I'd say gas is the strongest rn seeing as how he's mopping the floor with both mui goku and ue vegeta AT THE SAME TIME!
they just started fighting so can't really say that yet.
@@marqueskates5873 even if the fight just started he is still taking both on them at the same time and is seemingly winning rn. So even if they do mange to pull off a win they still wouldn't individually be stronger than gas cause its a joint effort...unless we get a new transformation 😅
Yeahhhh double upload! I'm not watching ANY movie trailers or spoilers! Glad I can still get my masako video in today!
General tao dies sorry for the spoiler
A great list
14:44 I laughed out loud to that one!
2 videos in one day? Sweet
*1. GAS, 2. GRANOLA, 3. VEGETA, 4. GOKU, 5. MORO*
After that Jiren/Broly/Merged Zamasu
These are accurate list for right now
i find it interesting that when you said "no fusion" the first example you gave was kefla as opposed to Vegito or Gogeta
I feel like Kefla is the most prominent example as of late with the fandom for...reasons.
@@MasakoX really now, if you're referring what i think you're referring to, which you probably are, i still think Vegito and Gogeta are pehaps the most prominent example of fusion within DB purely because they're Vegito and Gogeta, im not complaining or anything, just something i found noteworthy
@@MasakoX no it isn’t
I'm glad to see Piccolo get such a high number here. Interestingly enough in the manga, he was the only fighter able to fight alongside Gohan against 73. Gohan was the same power as Kefla during the TOP so Piccolo should be around Ss2 Kefla level lol.
Kefla in manga was weaker than her anime version. She didn't have there ss2 and when fused wasn't at full strengh due to kale and faul fla acumulated damage. Still thats pretty masive power up, even if kefla was below fused zamasu.
Hey we missing my boy Mister Buu & potentially the little boy Uub. Remember how much power he gave?
I gotta disagree with the top 5
1) Gas
2) Grahnolah
3) Goku
4) Vegeta
5) Jirin
why do you put Goku over Vegeta. when UI had gotten dusted each and every time? while UE pushed granola to evolve just to keep up.
@@marqueskates5873 Because Goku was literally off of his guard. And this is literally his second time using it the entire fight. Secondly, I would say they're pretty even in all honesty.
swap Goku for Vegeta and Jiren for Broly and you'd be right.
We all know that Yamcha and Monaka are the true #1 and #2 respectively.
what about farmer with shotgun?
This ranking is actually not bad! Here's how I see it myself, without including characters and powerups from a movie thats not out yet:
1. Gas
2. Granolah
3. Vegeta
4. Goku
5. Broly
6. Jiren
7. Topo
8. Gohan
9. Frieza
10. Hit
11. Kale
12. 17
13. Dyspo
14. BUU
15. Merus / OG73
Merus and OG73 are basically able to be placed anywhere, since OG73 can just copy anyone on this list and be on par with them. And Merus tho being mortal still has the experience and knowledge of an angel, meaning he could probably tap into UI. But we have no idea how strong that would make him right now.
If goku basically got one shotted by hit I don't think frieza can figure out hits technique fast enough or that easy.
Hits isn't weaker. He just had bad match ups in the TOP Dysbo and Jiren. Remember goku was struggling alot against hit
@@darkidthedemon Thats very fair but remember true golden frieza was on equal with TOP ssblue goku. So in terms of power level I still think it isnt far fetched that Frieza is over Hit, though you're right Hits techniques could still make the difference
Thx and sorry for bothering you. Have nice day 👌
@@darkidthedemon no problem i like healthy discussions! Good day to you too sir
Hm, interesting list, would like to see what you might come up with next.
Isn’t kale currently the strongest universe 6 sayian? Against goku, before they fused she was still able to take much more damage than a super sayian 2 caulifla. Hell, the reason for them fusing was because caulifla couldn’t escape goku’s attack while lake tanked it, barely being bothered.
Full beefed out berserker Kale was definitely stronger then Caulifla, even at ssj2, but utterly out of control. a smart opponent could even play around that. but from what we saw, once she 'mastered' the form, regained control and became sleeker, she seemed to lose a LOT of power, being roughly as strong as Caulifla. Kale in her current state sacrifices some sheer powerlevel in order to...not be insane lol
@@seanread5556 I’m talking about the controlled form here, not the berserk form. When they were both fighting goku are where I use examples of their difference in strength.
Vegeta
Being number 1?
Welp
World is probably ending
Manga kale might be ssb level in the manga, then we have kefla and then Gohan matches her power lol
Scaling for kale makes no sense in the manga. She slaps around goku and freiza alone as kale, but then loses to gohan while fused. Either gohan is stronger than goku and freiza or kefla is weaker than kale by herself.
That Vegeta manga panel of him saying pain is his fuel reminds me of tfs Vegeta vs Trunks
Toppo with his UE Sign is a precursor to Mastered UE Vegeta.
Dyspo definitely deserves his own slot lol. Super Dyspo (Lightspeed Mode) is a monster more dangerous than base Toppo (though I suppose he might push the squad as a unit off the chart)
I like the new thumbnail
*thumbnail*
Son: "Wow, Broly is so cool! Can I have an action figure of him please?"
Mom: "But we have a Broly at home."
Broly at home:
That's Kale, fren.
@@MasakoX
Speaking for myself, I ingest a whole lot more Kale than Broly.
Still waiting for a Kale toy actually. The was one build a figure form Dragon Stars, and that's it. :(
I hate saying this, because I am not a fan of fusion being overused...
But it'll be really cool to see Gogeta with Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego going off at the same time.
10:51
Ok Masako but what if instead of saying "THE BANG IS DOWN", how about for Piccolo: "HE TURNED SHINY/GOLDEN"
SHINY PICKLE!
@@Animemom96 YES
Love it when you say an innuendo then immediately cut to “Stop iiiiittttttt”
No Hit feels a little weird for all the speculative choices that made their way on
Good vid Masako X
Oh this will stir up a _not so healthy_ debate, Masako 😬 (personally I mostly agree with your list)
On the topic of kale was I the only person who thought her story in the ToP felt like a sped up version of gohan’s in early Z a quiet shy character with enormous innate potential that tends to erupt out of them in moments of extreme anger until they learned to harness it?
Neat
Ooh. I see a plot thread in the future. Dyspo vs Burter in the what if ginyu force turned food.
But Masako what about Hit???
I actually think hit has been training with vados, since champa seems to be interested in him and wants to keep him close.
And if hit has been training with vados, he could probably reach ssjb goku.
Damn people still sleeping on Merged Zamasu sadge.
Kinda disagree with Ultra Ego Vegeta not having a weakness because he clearly does. While it's true that UE allows Vegeta to grow stronger as he takes more damage, that is also a double edged sword as Vegeta would get lost in his lust for battle and when he takes too much damage he can no longer sustain the form and loses it, making it pretty risky
He's right tho..your comment sounds more like head canon...sorry
That's only if he fights the way he did against granola but in the Gas fight he was keeping up with PUI Goku and dodging Gas' attacks without sustaining too much damage.
My list
Manga version
1 Gas
2 Goku
3 Vegeta
4 Granolah
5 Broly
6 Jiren
7 Gohan
8 Piccolo
9 Gama 1
10 Gama 2
11 Frieza
12 Hit
13 Toppo
14 Kale
15 android 17
Buu is a top 15, easly we seen his potential in that fit form and even if seeing him thrive was taken away from us, you have to kep it in mind...
It’s always funny to hear him say “STOP IT” every time he say’s something that almost sounds sexual. 😆
1: Gas
2: Granola
3: Broly (if he gets god Ki from training)
4: Vegeta
5: Goku
6: Broly if he doesn’t have god Ki
7: Jiren
8: Gohan
9: Piccolo
10: Frieza
11: Gamma 1 & 2
12: 17
13: Toppo
14: Mister Buu
15: Hit
16: Kale
Honorable mention to Uub, Merus & 7-3.
9-16 are extremely arguable.
Totally forgot about Buu!!
Manga version of Jiren had a fight with Roshi and I wish the Anime kept that!!
Ngl I skimmed through and this list is actually Terrible
Oh well. It's one list of many, no sleep lost.
@@MasakoX well drink a Red Bull before you go to bed and I bet u won’t 😘
@@MasakoX Bro. Sorry but putting Gas at any position other than number 1 after chapter 84 is just objectively incorrect xD.
I always wished they made Gohan the strongest and kept him on earth as there defender while Goku f’d off on his adventures or w/e. Cuz the strongest should remain on earth.
Me looking at fused Zamasu: Sorry buddy,guess they forgot about ya.
I like Masakox. But I'm laughing at this video😂
I feel like there's an Asterisk due here for both "Current Power levels unknown," for a few of these entries, like the bots from Super Heroes, Freeza, and Merus.
Also another for being in no particular order. Putting the bots above Freeza because at least one of them can match up with Gohan? Don't make sense, when I'd say Gohan likely isn't stronger than Freeza, and same for Piccolo.
In the manga Piccolo & Gohan really upped their training. If Gohan & Frieza were relative in the ToP, Gohan probably surpassed him.
I’m less certain of Piccolo. Merus could be the weakest one on this list, we really don’t know about him.
Something I misunderstood going back to the saiyan and namek sagas, Goku started those fights very lean, but by the end he was very muscular. At the time I thought this was part of his saiyan biology and his innate lust for battle, the more he fights the stronger he gets. I kind of like that Ultra Ego seems to be drawing on that, Vegeta is like the Incredible Hulk in that the longer he's fighting, the stronger he gets.
No, just no. Where is Hit..... Kale and Caulifla do not even stack up to Goku and Vageta from the Buu saga. Gohan was not on par with Freiza in the top. Side note these are only dbs catcters so this video needs a name change.
Cry about it, the annoying Mary Sues could solo Z in base. No amount of head canon and whining can change that
>buu saga
Meds. NOW.
@@stillnousername9796 Hey debater
Caulifla actually only the 3rd strongest Sayain of universe 6. Cabba is 2nd and Kale is the strongest. It easy to miss but there's a couple lines that say he is. Caulifla is just more "battle inclined" the either of her comrades.
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz I really don't get people calling them Sues. They both have flaws. They're just really good at fighting, it's not like Caulifla found the cure for cancer or anything. Besides Goku defeated em kinda hard to call em Sues when they lose.
Still think devilman from the original DB could have beat nearly anyone in dbs, because if they can sense energy he’ll seem weak and then just instability them.
while i agree with 14 of the choices here i dont exctly believe broly's was fitting, i feel he shouldve been at the top cause...you have to remember what broly's power is and how its used, he has a MASSIVE zenkai boost that doesnt even necissarily mean he has to be damaged, just that he has to be in the heat of battle, allowing him to go from struggling at base vegeta to easily topping ssb goku and vegeta TOGETHER in an extremely short amount of time
You know, I never realized the Pride Troopers are just the Ginyu Force v2 XD
Gogeta did struggle against Broly. The fight is pretty chaotic, but if you watch closely Broly doesn't land a single hit on him when he goes blue.
Ultra ego vegeta is okay but still think that super saiyan four would suit him better not only as who vegeta is but also my own reason of just saiyaning ss4 is awesome transformation
I'd rather if that didn't happen.
Its kinda funny how Bardock in his prime is still weaker than Kuririn or Tenshinhan now
Shows that you don't have to be the strongest to get some love
Based on the marketing for the film I am tentatively hopeful that Gohan will surpass Toppo and Blue Sparkle Princess Vegeta
I predicted #1 honestly the more damage he takes he’s more stronger that’s monster power that’s perfect for him
But Masako! What about Beerus, Caulifla, other Gods of Destructions, Angels and Goku Black?
Beerus, GoDs, angels and Goku Black don't count since they are divine and Caulifla didn't quite make the top 15.
@@MasakoX What about Hit?
Caulifla is actually only the 3rd strongest Sayain of universe 6, Cabba being 2nd and Kale being number 1. Caulifla is just more willing to jump fist first in a fight.
Broly being a menace to Gogeta? Idk man the fight that we got i clearly the opposite. Other than that, solid tier list
Hold on a minute why do you have Gas and Granolah tied at 3 when Gas is clearly much stronger and UI Goku and UE Vegeta combined are both struggling against Gas?
Also how is UI Goku and UE Vegeta above at the moment when they were being pushed back even tho they worked together? Angel Moro would be above Jiren and Broly yet he isn't on your list.
Exactly makes no sense to put goku and vegeta over Gas and Granolah. But Moro is not here because he's only including current alive mortals
MASAKO ik SSJ4 is most improvable for Unaverse 6 saiyan but for the sake of argument if they can't get the SSJ4 form we all know and love. What could be a cool variation of SSJ4 in their unaverse?
nothing. they don't have tails.
Y'know you bring up something interesting in this - the Pride Troopers have unique abilities whereas the Dragon Team "just use Solar Flare." And honestly, I can see what you're geting at but it feels a bit unfair, y'know?
Well, ask yourself. Who outside the Dragon Team and Cell actually use Solar Flare? Or even anything like it? Solar Flare is a technique only used by Turtle and Crane school students, and those who've copied their moves (like Cell and Buuhan). And even though ki waves aren't uncommon, the Kamehameha - and especially all of the variations of it that Goku has performed - is unique to Turtle School students and copiers. Not to mention the Mafuba - the Evil-Sealing Wave, is pretty much only used by Master Roshi. The Multiform technique is basically unique to Tien and Chiaotzu, and Self-Fission is limited to Piccolo and Majin Buu.
There's a lot of interesting powers among the Dragon Team. The problem is, none of them win major fights compared to powering up, transforming, and then either pulling a move or transformation outta your butt, or tossing a Super Spirit Bomb. And that's basically limited to Goku these days.
Awakened gas stomps the entire list. I don't think he included moro cuz he's damn powerful asw.
I just thought of something horrifying
Ultimate golden frieza
Considering how much latent potential frieza has (only training for 4 months and rivaling blue goku) if he got an ultimate form and stacked with the golden form could easily destroy goku and possibly rival beerus
Man Vegeta is probably my favorite.
*sees number 1*
This feels weird.
I wouldn't put piccolo gohan or gammas above freeza yet. For now i see them bellow him. Freeza hold back massively in top.
so are we building up a new z team. replacing yamcha, tien, krillin, and chaitsu?
Ultra Ego kinda reminds me of Hulk. The more he lusts for the battle the stronger he gets, much like how Hulk would increase as he got angrier.
I think broly is more similar to hulk.
Yea hulk and Broly are more similar. UE vegeta is more like Thors warrior rage. You should see the deathbattles
So "Mastered" Ultra Instinct isnt actually mastered? Then why the name?
Also, weird to not place the people that literally became the strongest narrative wise, as the strongest in the list.... Even if the others have more potential for later, it's not really relevant when the list is supposed to be about the present.
its actual name is just ultra instinct.
Yeah there is ui sign and just ui, I have no idea why people call it mui.
1:23 more like this, this was funny
I still would have liked to know at what point did characters surpass beerus if they ever did
Not just Masako but anybody in the comments is mentioning the absence of future Trunks, but well according to the manga he shouldn't be there, but if we consider the anime there is no way he cannot be there.
"Stahhhp itttt" 😅😂
I know this is gonna be perceived as a "lame" desire, but I really want to see Ultra Ego Vegeta and Ultra Instinct Goku fuse in Ultra Vegito/Gogeta. And also, we'd get a new cool character to use in the various dragonball games.
the Ultra Ego eyebrows look like SSJ3's
We dont know if he kept his power after no longer being an angel anymore, so non-angel Merus might not be on this level of power. so i really doubt he should have kept a rank on here. but at least you addressed it.
The strongest character will always be the first Super Saiyan....Launch.
I would include her...but it would skew the list.
How is Kale on the list but Hit isn't?
If I swear to God he has changed the thunder male of his video like 4 times
I don't understand why people would want Broly to get blue. He has already shown to get to the level of gods with his own power, they should just explore that. Plus it would be rather boring to take have him go down the same paths as Vegeta and Goku.
Vegeta as get the ultimate transformation make the "fightback" meme.
Well kale already mastered her beserk power during the tournament of power so she's already found her true potential. This list is mainly hypotheticals and character development instead of hard facts using feats and statements like ultra ego vegeta is objectively weaker than Gas and granolah and we see him lose to them.
Heres a bit of a counter-argument to this. Its not Mastered, but rather its controlled. When she is going berserk, she is getting stronger until he rbody cannot physically withstand the power. When its controlled, she can use the power but not to its capabilities as the berserk state. Same with Broly, his power just keeps rising until pop, his body explodes. We've seen this happen with Sanganbo in the manga when Moro fueled him with too much energy.
yeah, when Kale was fully berserk it basically took JIREN stepping in to stop her (a bunch of the others there probably could of too, but at greater risk) but when she used it in the controlled state versus the group of pride troopers next to her wi-FRIEND Caulifla, they seemed to be contributing pretty much equally. non-berserk Kale seems about on par with ssj2 Caulifla, but MUCH weaker then her enraged state
@@PokemonProfessorNebula Here's a bit of a counter-argument to this. I'm talking about the anime and It's stated that kale mastered her beserk power and it was also stated her new mastered form is actually stronger than her beserk form. The whole exploding bodies thing is in the manga only so those don't apply to broly or kale in the anime which I'm talking about also broly growing stronger is just his innate adaptability not his super saiyan forms.
@@seanread5556 Well it's stated her mastered form is actually stronger than her beserk form so it can just be that caulifla got stronger as the tournament went on which was stated and shown was the case
@@DSiLite I mean I'm referring to the hypotheticals he creates for charcters possible future power but ok
I wonder if Ultra Ego Vegeta maintains his power amp through receiving damage if he's also being healed. if he's got a sack of senzu or a healer in the party does stamina become his only real weakness?
How was Belmod a trooper when he's been a destroyer for millions of years?
massive speculation on the gammas. really thing such speculative placements are folly.
Odd choice making this video in May. Also, right before a movie comes out.
17 is stronger than OG 73 bro go reread their fight 17 destroyed him.
No