He's the best written character, easily. Vegeta has consistently gone through changes ever since his introduction, his character arc has a legitimate rise and fall and subsequent rise again. Dragon Ball Super has only built onto that by showing us a side of Vegeta that we only glimpsed briefly in Dragon Ball Z, which is that he's vulnerable. Taking Trunks to the park and flinching when Whis told him that he would only train him if he became a god of destruction were priceless. Even him giving Future Trunks tough love one minute and then comforting him the next. I love it.
short answer: YES long answer: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES. I hope that explains it.
The moment when Vegeta refuses to leave his pregnant wife to fight in the tournament, his rage at the destruction of universe six, and his desire to help trunks after goku black kills bulma are also great examples of him being a better person than Goku
I vehementely disagree when people say Vegeta's character degraded in comparison to his character during the Buu/Cell sagas. Vegeta still has his instances of being pridful, but doesn't let those traits of his define all his actions. I like Vegeta now because he's willing to put up with other people like Beerus in order to develop his own growth and doesn't get as clouded by others provocations as often. Not to mention he's developed into a compassionate father who was willing to push beyond his limits for his son. DBS Vegeta is best Vegeta.
"Not to mention he's developed into a compassionate father who was willing to push beyond his limits for his son." Which is more than you can say for Goku. Two words: Cell Games. And three even more damning words: Cell's senzu bean.
timothy yes it looked bad but that was no different from trial by fire for gohan and gohan passed with flying colors whoever else had complaints ended when goku sacrificed himself to save everyone
i.e character development. him not being 2 dimensional could hardly be called degradation. for a while now there's been more to his character than just "blah blah blah blah blah pride blah blah prince of all blah blah super saiyan...blah blah blah"
Fiery Fox I'm not entirely clear why Gohan needed a trial by fire...especially since he helped fight Nappa, Dodoria, the Ginyus, and Frieza before anyone had even heard of androids. I'm also not clear on why Cell needed the senzu to be a proper trial for Gohan.
Vegeta, to me, deserved a few movie victories and the chance to kill frieza in Resurrection of F. Frieza killed his family and wiped out his people and Goku gets to kill him. He almost killed him the first time, then TRUNKS gets to kill him, and now Goku gets the second kill. I don't think he's ever had a single victory in either a movie or the series.
Franklin Turtleton His long time nemesis has been defeated. You see that he never wears pink anymore? Obviously Shattering blacks pride destroyed all pink shirts in the universe
I was working on a comment about Goku when I realized something: Dragon ball Super seems more focused around Vegeta's family than with Goku's. Besides what as discussed in this video, we have already discussed how Goten has gotten the shaft so far, Gohan isn't much of a fighter anymore so we aren't following him as much either, meanwhile we just got through an arc focusing on Future Trunks while more times than naught, we follow kid Trunks interaction with Mai, and Bulma appeasing Beerus and Whis and almost talking to them in the same fashion as anyone else I spite of how Beerus could casually destroy the planet at anytime. Kind of weird to consider it, but it could very well be the case where if DBZ followed Goku's family, DBS does tend to follow Vegeta's family more.
Toriyama did express that in upcoming content he would like to have Vegeta play more of a central role as he feels he has failed to so in previous works.
Khinzaw Thein Yeah, but he's neglecting his main character in the process. He's pulling Kishimoto, except *without* making the main character's rival look completely unlikable
Utrekz Whoa! Hold on now. Goku and Goten may be lame but Gohan's had character development throughout Z. Not to the level of Vegeta or Piccolo but still better than Goku.
Ricardo, I kind of like it when the main character is neglected. It's one of the things Kubo did with Bleach. In Bleach all of the characters were needed (Except for a few especially one in particular)
toriyama stated in an interview that he wasn't fond of vegeta and planned to keep him dead after frieza killed him but brought him back because of his popularity with fans.
KillerSpecs He's nowhere near as badass as the Prince of all Saiyans. Vegeta's quote when fighting Black in episode 63 is enough to prove it. Besides, he's got a lot more badass moments.
I also hear the sound of Christopher Sabat laughing his head off. Like, sometime soon, Sean Schemmel can expect a text saying, "I always knew there'd come a day when I was stronger than you, Kakarot!"
David Manahan 4- hit vs Vegeta 5- black vs Vegeta 1st & 2nd fight 6- vegeta getting rage mode and defeating berrus 7- him dealing the finishing blow to freeza 8- dancing Infront of berrus 9- getting hands through his chest 10- training for 1/2 year straight firing a dual Galick gun with his son and still losing to weakened Goku's Kamehameha.. Vegeta is the boss..
'Hey Vegeta, I thought you had to have a ceremony to become a sayian god' 'There is more than one way to realise the legend' **A few weeks earlier** 'I want to be blue! I wanna! I wanna! I wanna!'
Goku hasn't really developed since the original Dragon Ball. Which is kind of a shame-he has some pretty serious flaws that the writers could work with, if they so chose. Heck, sometimes other characters call him out on it! An episode where Goku admits that he could have been in Gohan's life more when he was a child-not staying in space so long, IT'ing or at least telepathically calling Gohan from the afterlife, trying to understand Gohan's interests instead of bringing Gohan to Goku's interests (e.g, training-which is what Goku and Gohan did most of the time they were together post-Raditz)-and tries to make up for lost time by listening at one of Gohan's conferences or something could be a solid episode. Goku trying to act as a responsible role moden for Goten and a good husband for Chi-Chi instead of always vanishing to train with Whis or King Kai would be a solid arc. Heck, even working to overcome his absent-mindedness could work. Or just leave Goku as-is, pretending that he's already ideal. Sure, whatever.
I could see that working if they chose to go that direction. Maybe Goku actually starts to notice the way Vegeta has been interacting with his family lately and realizes his could use more attention as well, especially after his outburst against Black when he found out he killed his family in the other universe. They don't even have to make it a super serious moment either. Maybe Goku tries to get it figured out on his own resulting in one comedic failure after another with Chi-Chi wondering what the hell is wrong with him.
khan mazari I think people miss these things about goku in favor of everything else. but I must say goku needs a arc to himself instead of with vegeta, he needs to developers as a man and a father. it's sad how they've done him and it's said how no one can understand that if goku got developed he would be a more popular character. I love me some vegeta but I think we've focused to much on his family and not alot on goku and his family
Don't just love people who hate DBS Vegeta for his cooking and bingo dances? Without those awesome comedic moments, Vegeta would be the same character that he always were: Wannabe badass grouch that never accomplishes anything.
In terms of development yes Vegeta is the single best character in the series, the only character rivalling Vegeta is his son(s) both kid and future Trunks and that's only if you count their development from Z too. Vegeta is a natural born leader, a good father and a better family man than Goku has ever been. And I say this as a big Goku fan.
Are you being serious? Because...none of those things are True. Vegeta couldn't lead a horse to water he's a terrible father, a shitty husband and neither of the Trunks developed at ALL.
Dan Smith you do realize how Vegeta trains with his sons, is a better person than z, and has gotten a lot of development? I'm sorry did you even watch the video?
Dan Smith I think the simple fact that you don't know where Trunks development is or that you can't acknowledge Vegetas development is proof that you're clueless as far as this goes lol
Marco Vidal Trunks didn't grow as a charecter in Z He killed frieza effortlessly then did the same to the androids when he got stronger. he didn't change and kid trunks was a spoiled brat at the start of the buu saga and was a spoiled brat at the end of THIS sage He has not grown. the fact that you think they did shows YOU can't tell when real change occurs.
*In terms of character development, these three characters are my personal top three favorites (in no particular order):* *Gohan-* Sure, many fans dislike that his potential as Goku's successor went down the drain (there's no good reason he couldn't be a scholar, a parent and still find a little time to train, just one hour at least on weekends). Nonetheless, I found Gohan not only more fleshed out and relatable than his dad but portrayed as a child in extraordinary situations near-perfectly. From age 4, we've followed the highs and lows of his journey to become the proud, kind young man he is today. *Future Trunks-* Having experienced the most tragic and challenging life of any Dragonball protagonist (growing up in a post-apocalypse without his dad, losing the only mentor/father-figure he's known to the androids, losing his mom to Goku Black, protecing his timeline as the last Z Fighter, etc), I think it's fair to say that it SUCKS to be Trunks. However, possibly more than Gohan, this super saiyan samurai's sheer love for humanity and determination is inspiring beyond measure. *Vegeta-* Arguably the perfect example of a redeemed villain (yes, even more so than Piccolo), the prideful saiyan prince has gone from one of the Z Fighters' most feared enemies to a dear friend and tough but loving husband/father. Despite growing up in a culture where genocide was a way of life and being humiliated for years under the thumb of a racist tyrant, he gradually learned the values of what it means to fight for others. Vegeta is living proof that anybody really can change. *#PleaseNeverSingAgainMasakoX* 😏
Goku was the best in Dragonball. Krillin (Yes, KRILLIN) was the best in Dragonball Z (It's easy to fight Frieza, the Androids, Cell, Buu, when you're an ultra-powerful Saiyan. Krillin did it as a HUMAN, and as such is the bravest and also kindest man besides Goku in the entire series). NO ONE was the best in GT. Vegeta is the best in Super (closely followed by both present and future Trunks).
I'd say Gohan is the best in DBZ as he went from a crying child to taking his father's place as protector, even though he kinda faltered in the Buu saga.
Krillin never fought Buu. I can give you Cell; although, iirc, he met and fought first form Cell by accident. He never actually fought the androids, he was spectating the fights. Although, he had a brief scuffle with Gero.
Vegeta is such an amazing character in Super. Taking Trunks to the fair if he could beat him in training, "THAT'S MY BULMA!", kicking the shit out of Golden Frieza, _training_ Cabba to become a Super Saiyan... in the middle of a fight, sacrificing himself to save Trunks from the Comesson, his interactions with Future Trunks, and finally the speech he gave while beating Goku Black into the ground. Good GOD, these were some amazing moments.
I agree bro, I think that he's gonna eventually get his own arc. Maybe they could do a whole vegeta dbz series haha in the future... probably not, but that would be cool. I mean just imagine what his fights were there... a whole arc of that would be epic
Super kinda ruined sorry if I disagree but the reason I say this is in the buu saga vegita finally admits that he is not the strongest guy around and that is true development for his character who practically never shut the fuck about himself. Also he wasn't forced under friezas rule he did that and enjoyed it so him being a victim is bs
robert rainford Vegeta finally admitting Kakarrot is stronger than he is is just the _beginning_ of his post-heel-face-turn character development, though. It took the entirety of Z for him to finally give up his evil ways. He was still a self-serving prick as far as we knew at the end, he just admitted defeat. This time around, we're seeing his development take the next step. We see him becoming much more selfless while still being in-character. He's adjusting to his family life with surprising but believable ease. He's putting his Saiyan pride to use. Also he may enjoy his job under Frieza's rule, but I'm sure you can understand that he holds a wee bit of a grudge when his boss is the one who _murdered his family along with his entire race._
robert rainford What? He didn't enjoy working under freeza, he hated being told what to do. He enjoyed killing people but as saiyan royalty, as a prince he hated being ordered around and having his pride mocked constantly. In ROF the movie, freeza offered vegeta to come work for him again and Vegeta said hell no because he blew up the planet he was destined to rule. He also called him stupid for thinking that he would. He hated freeza, but had no choice but to be his slave along with the saiyan race until freeza killed most of them leaving 5 and 3 that worked under him. He was victim of freeza. Freeza even killed him too. He definitely is a victim.
Moments like when he first shows attachment to others when Cell killed Trunks or when he learns to accept life on Earth and acknowledging Goku... I think those were really nice in Z It doesn't surprise me at all that in Super, Vegeta continues striving to become stronger; he is a saiyan after all, and he also needs to be stronger to protect his family Besides, one key point he made when acknowledging Goku as the "number one fighter" was how Goku, unlike him, never fought to kill or for any of that stuff, but rather to test himself and what he's achieved and grow from the experiences
I agree Vegeta is best. The closest Goku has came to not being "himself" (moron) is when Zamasu told him about his family and how he murdered them. That was the best of Goku from Super. Anybody agree?
iTzValorr goku was always kind of dumb. BUT super made him wayyy too dumb. not even in a funny way as masakoX makes him in TFS abridged. tbh I prefer TFS version of the series much more than the original. so super almost feels like a bad job mimicking a parody of their own show.
My favourite Goku moment from Super was when Beerus stabbed him as an SSJG, and he sunk slowly to the bottom of the ocean, only to launch back up to space. It was simple, but emotional. In fact, every moment where Beerus knocked Goku down to Earth semi-unconscious was emotion-heavy.
That is because in Dragon Ball Super they took that back. Because that was the moment that Vegeta stop trying to surpass Goku because he realized that will never happened. The only person that Vegeta would to Surpass from there on was himself. Dragon Ball GT Vegeta is a better character then Dragon Ball Super Vegeta.
Not exactly. He admitted Goku was the best. He never said anything about him leaving Goku to STAY the best. Considering Vegeta's character, him admitting that to begin with, was a sign of how HUGE his character development was.
Yeah, masako is part of the super apolgy squad. HE made 100 videos defending it. Its like the people who say goku losing to the ray gun wasn't a plot hole. People should just accept super sucks for certain parts of it. Doesn't mean you cant like it, but a REAL fan accepts the faults of a show and still loves it, not pretends it doesn't exist. ALL FIVE dragonball T shows have problems. Its unhealthy to ignore the faults of any of the dragonball shows.
Problem is that tons of Dragonball fans only approve characters who are stone cold badasses. That is why they call Vegeta a pussy when he does something silly. That is why they say Gohan is worthless because he became a family man (and hate Chichi for "ruining" him). And that is why they hate Piccolo when he babysits Pan. Just look how many people want Vegeta to become evil again and blow up a few planets. On a side note: Piccolo is really good with kids. There is a reason he and Gohan are so close.
GamerBear Atleast some of them had a reasonable motive, Broly just hated Goku for crying. It would of made sense if he was angry with Vegeta since his father tried to kill him.
I agree that DBZ fans only accept superficial moments of hype for the characters they like solely for that badass factor, (which for characters like Gohan its ignorant to think he always was one just from one fight) but Vegeta, him tap-dancing for Beerus was pretty cringeworthy to me because of how out of character it was. And I don't care how people justify it, it would have made more sense of the Great Saiyaman, Gotenks or Yamcha did it. Characters whom are generally silly should have been the silly ones. Not Vegeta. But people wanting Vegeta to become evil again don't know the character at all and hence you can see why most DBZ fanfic is garbage.
Kyosan Shojou Actually I like dbs goku....^^ But i have to admit I love Vegeta, too. I like dbs at all because Vegeta can shine more (to name one reason^^)
Timothy McLean My implifications are not killing Cell when he had the chance, and not helping stop Buu when he had the chance. Technically, he's doing stuff, but you know thats not what Masako meant.
Timothy McLean Well the first part, yes partially, but I was moreso focusing on the fact that he didn't end him when he had the chance, and by not helping stop buu, I meant not helping prevent Buu's (re)birth.
Eyeless Jack no, in Resurrection F, Whis specifically says something along the lines of "wait until Vegeta finds out you gave the order". it's after they arrive on earth to wat the sundae
Vegeta was my favorite character in Z, and he's my favorite character in super. i love how he's kept his overall aloof and brooding personality, but still manages to be nice and caring.
I really hope Goku starts to take Whis's advice about becoming more focused. His blundering about in the Future Trunks arc were some of the most infuriating moments I've seen from him. It feels like the writers cranked Goku's stupid dial up to 11.
AzureTheta it's honestly like Goku's intelligence is reverting to how it was in the original Dragonball. Sure he's still a great fighter, but there have been so many times in Super that he's more naive than he should be. Super is one of the reasons that Vegeta has quickly become my favorite character in the franchise as a whole and Goku is slowly joining Chi-chi and Goten as one of my least favorite characters and it honestly makes me sad.
For all the "goku has always been stupid" comments, I feel you guys forget when he pulled off a Batman Gambit against Cell, repeatedly saw what would happen if everyone relied on him (and attempted many times to avoid), and purposefully destroyed Freiza's Pride, giving him a cruel Mercy at the end of it. That said, they took the guy who did all of that, the guy who showed he understood people more than anyone else in the series so far, and turned him into... what he is in Super. Im fine with them displaying his less appealing traits, thats absolutely wonderful, but to go so far as to regress his character development, subtle as it was, is actually rather insulting. Goku's character development has always been a bit more subtle than others, but thats because they didnt need to do much with him for him to shine in his own way, but it was still there. Super Goku seems more like a parody, and not a good one at that. Whats worse is how it seems like people forget that before he was a universe buster, or even a planet buster, Goku was a master martial artist, not just a street brawler. Even in Super, they kind of retcon just how good at it he was, more during Whis' training than anything, but that can be explained by getting used to the different types of fighting over the years. Either way, I feel they need to let Goku grow more as he was, and greatly lessen the retardation effect. The reason I say all that is because if only one character shines, even in just CD, then the series starts to become dry and dead. Vegeta advancing SO MUCH as a character is a great thing, up until you realize how much he has advanced compared to other characters.
Those little details like Vegeta's stance show just how much thought is being put into Super. People like to say that no one cares about at Toei, but that's clearly not the case. There's a lot of love going into this series. It's just going the more traditional route of anime with visual storytelling.
One of my favorite moments that more subtly show how Vegeta's attitude toward his family has changed was from the family holiday episode. When Trunks comes out wearing his new shirt at the shop and Vegeta says something along the lines that he does not care. Then, without a beat, tells Trunks that he missed a button. Did ... did you just parent, Vegeta? Listen, I have been a Vegeta fan-girl since the early 2000s. I have read countless fanfic and doujin and seen thousands of pieces of fanart; however, there is something so utterly satisfying about seeing a canonical more mature, dare-I-say "caring" Vegeta. He still has his pride intact. He still is a badass. But, you know, he also seems to really care about his family. I am happy with Super in this aspect. Even though I am a huge Vegbul fan, I do wish there were some more Gochi moments. XD Poor Chichi.
The fork breaking scene after both Vegeta and Goku retreat from their lose to Black shows his frustration not at someone being stronger than himself but of failing to protect his sons future.
Hey Masako, do you think you could make an episode on the contributions of the human characters, and what more they can do in Super? I hope they go on the direction of DB Online route and make Ki control popular across humanity. It would be a fresh concept for the shows that could introduce new interesting characters and plot ideas. I would love to see Krillin open the New Turtle School and for Tien to start the New Crane School, it would give the characters new purpose.
Yes, I remember how when Gohan was in a beam struggle with cell, Vegeta hit cell in the back with a little blast, disrupting his concentration. Sure, Vegeta's pride caused the unleashing of Perfect Cell, but he also helped destroy him. It was the same in the Buu arc, the spirit bomb was Vegeta's idea.
Vegeta is my favorite character in DB and is mostly why I watch the show. I'm so glad you made a video that makes him justice and narrates his beautiful character development! :D
I actually really like how dumb Goku is in Super. A fundamental part of Goku's character is that he is quite literally brain damaged, and has been since he was a child. It contrasts so magnificently with his innate genius as a martial artist. His line about having never kissed Chichi was one of the funniest in all of Dragonball, for me at least. As for Vegeta, he has definitely become the most rounded character in Super. My favorite Vegeta moment in Super is probably when he punched Black in the face while he was monologuing.
I think Goku is the type of character that doesn't need that much development. He serves his purpose as the main character, but his general arc doesn't really require growth. He fights, he eats, he saves the earth. Done. Vegeta is another thing entirely. He is the type of character that needs change, otherwise he would just become unlikeable. Part of the reason why he is my favorite character in DB is because his constant development. He's been evolving ever since he was first introduced.
good point. in the scene when vegetta slouched over, i thought he took a defeated attitude but your right, that was him relaxing to maximixe his fighting ablility. he's definitely my favorite character.
Super MnO There is such a thing as being so rich you never have to, keywords "never have to" work again. At this point it's passion for the field to keep going or to get even richer, probably a mixture of both. The Briefs can retire in luxury at any time and still have a powerful inheritance for another lifetime of high-life living.
Top 10 Best Vegeta moments in the canon story (DBZ - DB Super). 1. Vegeta beats the shit of Black Goku. 2. Vegeta and Future Trunks with their "Father Son Galick Gun"! 3. Vegeta tranforms into Suer Saiyan Blue and beats the shit of Frieza. 4. Vegeta's final explosion (My favorite moment of Dbz ecsept Vegito). 7. Vegeta gets angry at Lord Beerus. 6. Vegeta and his Final Flash 7. Majin Vegeta vs Goku as SSJ 2 8. Vegeta vs 3 of the warriors of universe 6. 9. Vegeta tranform into a Super Saiyan. 10. Vegeta and his kills in Dbz.
This is why vegeta is my favourite character. That final explosion in the buu saga is my overall favourite moment in the dragonball franchise. I still get choked up when i see it
I think Goku doesn't seem to have much room for development, tbh. I mean, he's in no position to really change himself given he's more or less content with his surroundings at home or at King Kai's. At the start of Super he was being a farmer, which is something I can't recall him doing since he was a kid in Dragon Ball. If there's ever a strong opponent, he drops everything and takes advantage of the opportunity to train and/or fight. As shitty as it sounds, it's become the foundation of Dragon Ball Super. There probably wouldn't be much action in the series unless Goku managed to be the only one who slept through it. At the very end of Z when it was 10 years after Buu (which I'm guessing might become non-canon) Goku actually did something a bit different, and that was he thought ahead for once. Surely he wanted Uub to be strong enough to give Goku a great battle, but he did say he wanted someone else to be earth's fighter. He wasn't going to give that to his family... or Vegeta. With that being said, perhaps Goku was looking forward to settling down after that year was up? As for Vegeta, I think the most important thing about Vegeta and him being a Prince is that without the things he was given and entitled to in his youth, he was just a bully under Freiza. His ego and his allowance of him being a prince convinced him that royalty was nothing more than the strength you have to dominate and him being beneath Freiza reinforced that notion. When he finally lost to Goku, he was confused that his lineage wasn't enough for him to get the job done. When he was on earth, he wound up following in Goku's footsteps. He didn't like it, but he refused to remain merely a follower. His experience with Future and Chibi Trunks, his relationship with Bulma all brought him to the moment where he could become a stronger Saiyan from the moment he humbled himself watching Goku fight Kid Buu. Being a Prince means more than just being strong, and honestly I'd say Vegeta has probably come close to the end of his path as a Prince when he's truly showing that he's fit to be a king. Even if that's just a fantasy in the DB universe, Vegeta really has come a long way showing the audience everything it means to not only be a prince... but a true... *true* Saiyan.
Personally i think it'd be good (and incredibly satisfying) for Goku's development if he was training with vegeta, started acting stupid, and drops his guard against an annoyed vegeta. Because of this, he gets the living daylight beaten out of him by vegeta. Then vegeta can call goku out on how much of a dumbass he is, and remind him that if he keeps acting this way, one day he could actually lose the people he holds dear, like he did in black's timeline. This could lead to some actual character development for goku (for the first time in like 25 years) as well as vegeta, being the selfless one of the two. And lets face it, seeing vegeta pound goku within an inch of his life would just
I think Goku doesn't need much change, his character doesn't require that much growth because his life has been relatively peaceful and good. He likes to train, fight and eat. Vegeta on the other hand, has had many changes in his life, from being a spoiled prince, to being a prisoner of Freeza, to being his lackey, to having nowhere to go, to being obsessed with Goku, to being a dad, to falling in love and becoming a family man. Vegeta is constantly choosing to be a better person, while Goku just needed brain damage to be one. That makes Vegeta a better character than Goku in my eyes.
Vegeta's character development is one of my favorite things about Dragon Ball. Seeing how far he's come from being a villain to a hero. Super gives him moments that I wanted to see more of in Z; and that's spending time with his family like in episode 2. Also him pulling a Piccolo and taking a blast for Future Trunks.
And TFS Vegeta is somewhere out there saying," that's right kakkarot. I've finally looked truly deep within myself and realized my character. I have stepped into a reign of my own and have achieved great maturity. Do u hear me kakkarot?! I'm finally better than u!!!!!" Goku: neat. Vegeta: F*** U!
Vegeta has been my favorite character, especially now. The bit with Cabba was great, I hope they do more with the two of them. Actually show Vegeta visiting the other universe's Saiyan world.
Best Characters of all of Dragon Ball! 1)Bruce Le 2) Chiotzu 3)Jackie Chan 4)Broccoli The Legendary Vegetable 5)Cooler than Frieza 6)Social Justice Warrior Gaymasu 7)That tree that guy just shot 8) The Tiger That Chased Gohan 9)All of the Shadow Dragons 10)Ka ki ka ka Carrot Cake 11)Friezy Pop 12) Monaka 13)That planet Beerus Destroyed 14)Vegetable 15) Chappa
Super is like Toriyama and Toei looked back on all of dragon ball and its flaws and worked to repair them. They saw what was good and what was bad. The references are endless. Vegeta is redeemed every episode and Goku is showing a side that was ignored but ever present from the beginning. I feel like super is a lot more mature than db and dbz were in the past. I love it. Sure, they dont get everything right and a lot of it is..... bad but a lot of it is still very nice.
I'm liking the content and how you are talking about everything with the show and choosing the topics wisely, You've influenced me to make some of my own on other subjects to be honest and i really like that. I agree with you on how Vegeta has grown so much as a character that i didn't really see it until it was pointed out by Chris Sabat, You bring up some great points as well
Honestly, I'm glad Vegeta's character and development has progressed, even after that final moment of compassion for his son in early Buu saga, and acceptance in the final conflict with Kid Buu. He's developed so much, since the only times we got to see him in GT was him with a MOOSE-TACHE and driving a car in the Dragonball Galactic Search arc, and showing up at the final battle with Omega in the Shadow Dragons arc. Good on ya Geets!
At first I didn't like Vegeta that much in Z , but later on mainly in the Buu saga he had grown on me. Then Super came along and now he's one of my favorite character in Dragonball! His character progress so well throughout the series and in Super you get to see his other emotions besides just standing there frowning. Always go out on his own, training on his own, and the "I will surpass Kakarot. Here in Super, you see him with his family (cared for them), actually trained with his rival than by himself, and on top of that actually show qualities of being a prince.
I hate it when people like Hail Zeon say how Vegeta's character has regressed when all that happened was his character didn't progress in the way they wanted.
Yeah... I sorta made that comment back when I wasn't looking at Super from a critical standpoint. Looking back, the entire future trunks arc is just shit.
While I do see the correlation with that slouching stance and the advice Whis has offered him... that stance still just looks wrong in my eyes... there are legitimate fighting stances which convey a relaxed demeanor but that stance just screams to me "Easier to draw" for the animators. Which is fine... it does fulfill that story arc but really it's there as a crutch.
I just want the Human characters to get some respect after all this time, why cant we have a Super Human God Krillin, or Tien? Hell, why cant Piccolo become a Super Namekian God? I love the Saiyans, but I hate how the other characters are completely ignored.
Haha I love this video. Vegeta's growth has been my favorite part of the series. In super whenever he gets angry I just think "yeah okay vegeta stop being grumpy" He is an incredible amount like my dad. My dad is a damn grump a LOT of the time and most of my childhood but like, he has an incredibly difficult life and he no matter what always loved his family and took care of us, so i started to make it kinda comical. I realized that just a few months ago why I like vegeta so much actually, its the familiarity.
Father son Galic gun scene when trunks makes another last stand against the newly fused zamasu. It totally shows him growing up and how his family makes him strong, like it did goku. That was my favorite scene!
I haven't watched the whole video but my theory is vegeta might, mighhhht be stronger than goku, because in dbz, goku had to use kaioken to beat vegeta. And as u see in super, vegeta was training with whis before goku, so it could be since vegeta was training before he absorbed that god ki as well maybe because he was able to turn ssgss, and when why's said it seemed the right time to train goku, it means that since Vegeta wanted to surpass goku, he probably wanted vegeta and goku to be tied. Well just my theory perhaps but yeah this is what I think.
I actually like the more comical Goku, as it gives him more character than just the simpleton hero he was in Z, always wise and knowing the right thing to do. Now, he's flawed, and these flaws have caused him to do the wrong things somehow, which they've never acknowledged in Z. But he's still Goku. I loved his sparring match with Trunks, adapting to the fight, beating Trunks easily but then going down to offer him a helping hand to get up. That's Goku. His fights in the tournament were great too. I love how all the fights against Frost reveal the characters of Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta. Against Goku, Frost portrays himself as a likeminded hero and plays on Goku's morality to keep him off guard; Piccolo is strategic, cunning and therefore Frost plays the same games; but Vegeta is ruthless and pragmatic and does not take shit.
Vegeta's interactions with Future Trunks have really shown the growth he's had since the Cell Saga. That one last punch before Trunks left with Mai? Gold.
Now the one thing Super needs to do is to give poor Goten-chan some development :)
Indeed, the character has gotten no development at all.
Agreed. Goten's been in character development hell ever since Buu ate Gotenks back in DBZ.
RIP Goten Fans
He was born in development hell molded by it he STILL hasn't seen the light of a new personality
Not if Chi-Chi can help it.
Am I the only one who considered Vegeta as my favorite even before super??
Nope. He's been my favorite for quite a while now
No
Nope!!! Me TOO!!!! Vegeta's always been my favorite!
No i was very interested in him from the start
Nope i like him he is my favorite
He's the best written character, easily. Vegeta has consistently gone through changes ever since his introduction, his character arc has a legitimate rise and fall and subsequent rise again. Dragon Ball Super has only built onto that by showing us a side of Vegeta that we only glimpsed briefly in Dragon Ball Z, which is that he's vulnerable. Taking Trunks to the park and flinching when Whis told him that he would only train him if he became a god of destruction were priceless. Even him giving Future Trunks tough love one minute and then comforting him the next. I love it.
Jeets.
Hey geekdom
hey!
bet you 5 bucks geekdom won't respond
Geekdom101 Emperor Big D. : )
Getes. (jeh-tes?)
short answer: YES
long answer: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES.
I hope that explains it.
I was going to comment "Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Hell yes."
Shiro Brief Nope gokus better
Heh....Short.
+KillerSpecs Goku's One Of The Worst Characters In The Series.
betterthanyou bruh yep
The moment when Vegeta refuses to leave his pregnant wife to fight in the tournament, his rage at the destruction of universe six, and his desire to help trunks after goku black kills bulma are also great examples of him being a better person than Goku
@Madhumita Mandal why are you even f*ukin here, go get a life
I vehementely disagree when people say Vegeta's character degraded in comparison to his character during the Buu/Cell sagas. Vegeta still has his instances of being pridful, but doesn't let those traits of his define all his actions. I like Vegeta now because he's willing to put up with other people like Beerus in order to develop his own growth and doesn't get as clouded by others provocations as often. Not to mention he's developed into a compassionate father who was willing to push beyond his limits for his son. DBS Vegeta is best Vegeta.
"Not to mention he's developed into a compassionate father who was willing to push beyond his limits for his son."
Which is more than you can say for Goku.
Two words: Cell Games. And three even more damning words: Cell's senzu bean.
Pizza_rolz5 Vegeta in DBS is an amazing character.
timothy yes it looked bad but that was no different from trial by fire for gohan and gohan passed with flying colors whoever else had complaints ended when goku sacrificed himself to save everyone
i.e character development. him not being 2 dimensional could hardly be called degradation. for a while now there's been more to his character than just
"blah blah blah blah blah pride blah blah prince of all blah blah super saiyan...blah blah blah"
Fiery Fox I'm not entirely clear why Gohan needed a trial by fire...especially since he helped fight Nappa, Dodoria, the Ginyus, and Frieza before anyone had even heard of androids. I'm also not clear on why Cell needed the senzu to be a proper trial for Gohan.
Vegeta is and always will be the best Dragonball/Z/Super/GT character period.
Amen.
Oh and best abridged character too, followed closely by the Trio that is Piccolo/Nail/Kami.
i m starting to like you xD
my abridged Top 5 ranking is:
1. Vegeta (of course)
2. Krillin
3. Nail
4. Freezer (i miss him)
5. Gohan
Vegeta wasn't even in Dragonball
+LoL Stacker It doesn't matter. Dragon Ball has not enough tension for me.
vegeta was always the best. Where all my #vegeta #fanboys at?!?!?!
The Unknown Hell yeah, team Vegeta all the way!
#Vegeta #Fangirls
TKBuzz99 YESS VEGETA FANGIRL FOR LIFE
Vegeta, to me, deserved a few movie victories and the chance to kill frieza in Resurrection of F. Frieza killed his family and wiped out his people and Goku gets to kill him. He almost killed him the first time, then TRUNKS gets to kill him, and now Goku gets the second kill. I don't think he's ever had a single victory in either a movie or the series.
Franklin Turtleton His long time nemesis has been defeated. You see that he never wears pink anymore? Obviously Shattering blacks pride destroyed all pink shirts in the universe
I was working on a comment about Goku when I realized something: Dragon ball Super seems more focused around Vegeta's family than with Goku's. Besides what as discussed in this video, we have already discussed how Goten has gotten the shaft so far, Gohan isn't much of a fighter anymore so we aren't following him as much either, meanwhile we just got through an arc focusing on Future Trunks while more times than naught, we follow kid Trunks interaction with Mai, and Bulma appeasing Beerus and Whis and almost talking to them in the same fashion as anyone else I spite of how Beerus could casually destroy the planet at anytime.
Kind of weird to consider it, but it could very well be the case where if DBZ followed Goku's family, DBS does tend to follow Vegeta's family more.
Toriyama did express that in upcoming content he would like to have Vegeta play more of a central role as he feels he has failed to so in previous works.
Khinzaw Thein
Yeah, but he's neglecting his main character in the process. He's pulling Kishimoto, except *without* making the main character's rival look completely unlikable
+Ricardo Ortiz-Joseph Personally I'm sick of Goku so the more Vegeta the better.
Utrekz Whoa! Hold on now. Goku and Goten may be lame but Gohan's had character development throughout Z. Not to the level of Vegeta or Piccolo but still better than Goku.
Ricardo, I kind of like it when the main character is neglected. It's one of the things Kubo did with Bleach. In Bleach all of the characters were needed (Except for a few especially one in particular)
*BEST CHARACTER IN DRAGON BALL THAT TORIYAMA TREATS LIKE SHIT*
Maybe that's the point. Kentaro Miura treats Guts like shit too.
If Toei hates Vegeta and treats him like shit, THEN HE WOULD NEVER HAVE BECOME SUPER SAIYAN... butthurt much?
And pretty much 90% of the cast,so yeah its not valid.
toriyama stated in an interview that he wasn't fond of vegeta and planned to keep him dead after frieza killed him but brought him back because of his popularity with fans.
You know, maybe THAT'S why Vegeta got such amazing growth. Toriyama didn't like him and wanted to change that, so there we go character development?
wish piccolo would get more screen time
I think we all do to be honest.
"Is Vegeta the best character in Super?"
Yes
yet you have a picture of goku god blue with kaioken 10 lol its cool tho
I just find that unique moment pretty cool. Vegeta's still way cooler overall xD
***** RIP your mind
Kaiser Bob Nope goku is
KillerSpecs He's nowhere near as badass as the Prince of all Saiyans. Vegeta's quote when fighting Black in episode 63 is enough to prove it. Besides, he's got a lot more badass moments.
Is Majinn Vegeta, Mid-life Crisis Vegeta?
Aaron Nicholls hory shet
Yes
Aaron Nicholls oh most definitely.
Aaron Nicholls Yes
Wow. Yeah, actually.
I also hear the sound of Christopher Sabat laughing his head off. Like, sometime soon, Sean Schemmel can expect a text saying, "I always knew there'd come a day when I was stronger than you, Kakarot!"
Gamercoon Neat!
F**K you!
Reddit AMA was amazing
Best Vegeta moments in Super?
1) Kicking Black's ass
2) Father-Son Galick Gun
3) Training Cabba
David Manahan
4- hit vs Vegeta
5- black vs Vegeta 1st & 2nd fight
6- vegeta getting rage mode and defeating berrus
7- him dealing the finishing blow to freeza
8- dancing Infront of berrus
9- getting hands through his chest
10- training for 1/2 year straight firing a dual Galick gun with his son and still losing to weakened Goku's Kamehameha..
Vegeta is the boss..
Dhruv Joshi it's bullshit :/
David Manahan Another salty gohan fanboy 😧😧
Haters gonna hate
@@ultimategohan7567 MY BULMAAAAA!!!! MOMENT IS BEST
"Mock my pri-i-i-i-ide!"
"Imma kill him!"
'Hey Vegeta, I thought you had to have a ceremony to become a sayian god'
'There is more than one way to realise the legend'
**A few weeks earlier**
'I want to be blue! I wanna! I wanna! I wanna!'
Stick AKA Matthew *On the outside* Push-ups, sit ups, and puh-lenty of juice.
He's like a see n Saiyan
T. Mood he's like a see-n saiyan vegeta: "imma kill 'em"!!
Goku hasn't really developed since the original Dragon Ball. Which is kind of a shame-he has some pretty serious flaws that the writers could work with, if they so chose. Heck, sometimes other characters call him out on it! An episode where Goku admits that he could have been in Gohan's life more when he was a child-not staying in space so long, IT'ing or at least telepathically calling Gohan from the afterlife, trying to understand Gohan's interests instead of bringing Gohan to Goku's interests (e.g, training-which is what Goku and Gohan did most of the time they were together post-Raditz)-and tries to make up for lost time by listening at one of Gohan's conferences or something could be a solid episode. Goku trying to act as a responsible role moden for Goten and a good husband for Chi-Chi instead of always vanishing to train with Whis or King Kai would be a solid arc. Heck, even working to overcome his absent-mindedness could work.
Or just leave Goku as-is, pretending that he's already ideal. Sure, whatever.
Timothy McLean Well said.
Timothy McLean Months after buu saga and time after battle of gods arc, Goku spend time with goten a lot.
I could see that working if they chose to go that direction. Maybe Goku actually starts to notice the way Vegeta has been interacting with his family lately and realizes his could use more attention as well, especially after his outburst against Black when he found out he killed his family in the other universe. They don't even have to make it a super serious moment either. Maybe Goku tries to get it figured out on his own resulting in one comedic failure after another with Chi-Chi wondering what the hell is wrong with him.
Timothy McLean
You should be a writter in Super.
khan mazari I think people miss these things about goku in favor of everything else. but I must say goku needs a arc to himself instead of with vegeta, he needs to developers as a man and a father. it's sad how they've done him and it's said how no one can understand that if goku got developed he would be a more popular character. I love me some vegeta but I think we've focused to much on his family and not alot on goku and his family
No. He's the best character in the Dragon Ball series.
But... he wasnt... in...
give him a moment.
i think what he means is in all series and not only super xD i dont think he watched dragon ball but only dbz
LaserAirsoftWeapons You don't get it.
You mean in manga, anime or franchise?
Don't just love people who hate DBS Vegeta for his cooking and bingo dances? Without those awesome comedic moments, Vegeta would be the same character that he always were: Wannabe badass grouch that never accomplishes anything.
Curseco he's still the same. Only difference he did a bingo dance
Jesus Senpai Yeah...sure why not..
Yeah not a big fan of those scenes but still love his character development.
indeed vegeta has ascended into the prince of all male tsunderes
Curseco at least it shows him getting over his pride
In terms of development yes Vegeta is the single best character in the series, the only character rivalling Vegeta is his son(s) both kid and future Trunks and that's only if you count their development from Z too. Vegeta is a natural born leader, a good father and a better family man than Goku has ever been. And I say this as a big Goku fan.
Are you being serious? Because...none of those things are True. Vegeta couldn't lead a horse to water he's a terrible father, a shitty husband and neither of the Trunks developed at ALL.
Dan Smith you do realize how Vegeta trains with his sons, is a better person than z, and has gotten a lot of development? I'm sorry did you even watch the video?
i love vegeta and future trunks, they're at least in my top 5 characters but kid trunks is so shit.
Dan Smith I think the simple fact that you don't know where Trunks development is or that you can't acknowledge Vegetas development is proof that you're clueless as far as this goes lol
Marco Vidal Trunks didn't grow as a charecter in Z He killed frieza effortlessly then did the same to the androids when he got stronger. he didn't change and kid trunks was a spoiled brat at the start of the buu saga and was a spoiled brat at the end of THIS sage He has not grown. the fact that you think they did shows YOU can't tell when real change occurs.
*In terms of character development, these three characters are my personal top three favorites (in no particular order):*
*Gohan-* Sure, many fans dislike that his potential as Goku's successor went down the drain (there's no good reason he couldn't be a scholar, a parent and still find a little time to train, just one hour at least on weekends). Nonetheless, I found Gohan not only more fleshed out and relatable than his dad but portrayed as a child in extraordinary situations near-perfectly. From age 4, we've followed the highs and lows of his journey to become the proud, kind young man he is today.
*Future Trunks-* Having experienced the most tragic and challenging life of any Dragonball protagonist (growing up in a post-apocalypse without his dad, losing the only mentor/father-figure he's known to the androids, losing his mom to Goku Black, protecing his timeline as the last Z Fighter, etc), I think it's fair to say that it SUCKS to be Trunks. However, possibly more than Gohan, this super saiyan samurai's sheer love for humanity and determination is inspiring beyond measure.
*Vegeta-* Arguably the perfect example of a redeemed villain (yes, even more so than Piccolo), the prideful saiyan prince has gone from one of the Z Fighters' most feared enemies to a dear friend and tough but loving husband/father. Despite growing up in a culture where genocide was a way of life and being humiliated for years under the thumb of a racist tyrant, he gradually learned the values of what it means to fight for others. Vegeta is living proof that anybody really can change.
*#PleaseNeverSingAgainMasakoX* 😏
Completely agree with you and the list!! Besides those reasons, his sons are another way he defeated Goku. Future Trunks and Kid Trunks are awesome!
Goku was the best in Dragonball.
Krillin (Yes, KRILLIN) was the best in Dragonball Z (It's easy to fight Frieza, the Androids, Cell, Buu, when you're an ultra-powerful Saiyan. Krillin did it as a HUMAN, and as such is the bravest and also kindest man besides Goku in the entire series).
NO ONE was the best in GT.
Vegeta is the best in Super (closely followed by both present and future Trunks).
I'd say ssj4 Gogeta was the best character in GT, just him though
S.A.M. Hercule is better than Krillin. He actually saved the world and never died.
hail satan
I'd say Gohan is the best in DBZ as he went from a crying child to taking his father's place as protector, even though he kinda faltered in the Buu saga.
Krillin never fought Buu. I can give you Cell; although, iirc, he met and fought first form Cell by accident. He never actually fought the androids, he was spectating the fights. Although, he had a brief scuffle with Gero.
Vegeta is such an amazing character in Super. Taking Trunks to the fair if he could beat him in training, "THAT'S MY BULMA!", kicking the shit out of Golden Frieza, _training_ Cabba to become a Super Saiyan... in the middle of a fight, sacrificing himself to save Trunks from the Comesson, his interactions with Future Trunks, and finally the speech he gave while beating Goku Black into the ground. Good GOD, these were some amazing moments.
I agree bro, I think that he's gonna eventually get his own arc. Maybe they could do a whole vegeta dbz series haha in the future... probably not, but that would be cool. I mean just imagine what his fights were there... a whole arc of that would be epic
Super kinda ruined sorry if I disagree but the reason I say this is in the buu saga vegita finally admits that he is not the strongest guy around and that is true development for his character who practically never shut the fuck about himself. Also he wasn't forced under friezas rule he did that and enjoyed it so him being a victim is bs
robert rainford Vegeta finally admitting Kakarrot is stronger than he is is just the _beginning_ of his post-heel-face-turn character development, though. It took the entirety of Z for him to finally give up his evil ways. He was still a self-serving prick as far as we knew at the end, he just admitted defeat. This time around, we're seeing his development take the next step. We see him becoming much more selfless while still being in-character. He's adjusting to his family life with surprising but believable ease. He's putting his Saiyan pride to use.
Also he may enjoy his job under Frieza's rule, but I'm sure you can understand that he holds a wee bit of a grudge when his boss is the one who _murdered his family along with his entire race._
robert rainford What? He didn't enjoy working under freeza, he hated being told what to do. He enjoyed killing people but as saiyan royalty, as a prince he hated being ordered around and having his pride mocked constantly. In ROF the movie, freeza offered vegeta to come work for him again and Vegeta said hell no because he blew up the planet he was destined to rule. He also called him stupid for thinking that he would.
He hated freeza, but had no choice but to be his slave along with the saiyan race until freeza killed most of them leaving 5 and 3 that worked under him. He was victim of freeza. Freeza even killed him too. He definitely is a victim.
Moments like when he first shows attachment to others when Cell killed Trunks or when he learns to accept life on Earth and acknowledging Goku... I think those were really nice in Z
It doesn't surprise me at all that in Super, Vegeta continues striving to become stronger; he is a saiyan after all, and he also needs to be stronger to protect his family
Besides, one key point he made when acknowledging Goku as the "number one fighter" was how Goku, unlike him, never fought to kill or for any of that stuff, but rather to test himself and what he's achieved and grow from the experiences
I agree Vegeta is best. The closest Goku has came to not being "himself" (moron) is when Zamasu told him about his family and how he murdered them. That was the best of Goku from Super. Anybody agree?
iTzValorr Yeah a Goku discussion video needs to come, I don't mind Goku being an idiot for comedy but when it's endangering people that's a problem
No it wasn't because he still got fucked by Black.
iTzValorr goku was always kind of dumb. BUT super made him wayyy too dumb. not even in a funny way as masakoX makes him in TFS abridged. tbh I prefer TFS version of the series much more than the original.
so super almost feels like a bad job mimicking a parody of their own show.
My favourite Goku moment from Super was when Beerus stabbed him as an SSJG, and he sunk slowly to the bottom of the ocean, only to launch back up to space. It was simple, but emotional. In fact, every moment where Beerus knocked Goku down to Earth semi-unconscious was emotion-heavy.
Oh please do a duet with Lani "Everything you can do, i can do better!"
Onebie
THIS NEEDS MORE LIKES
Why didn't you mention the part in the Kid Buu fight where he admits Goku is stronger than him? He even called him Goku for the very first time!
and even in Super he also said Goku
I think that the kid buu fight iner monolugue of Vegeta should've been mentioned too. It's the link between DBZ's Vegeta and Super's.
That is because in Dragon Ball Super they took that back. Because that was the moment that Vegeta stop trying to surpass Goku because he realized that will never happened. The only person that Vegeta would to Surpass from there on was himself. Dragon Ball GT Vegeta is a better character then Dragon Ball Super Vegeta.
Vegitto says Son Goku too. But there's not much to that.
Not exactly. He admitted Goku was the best. He never said anything about him leaving Goku to STAY the best.
Considering Vegeta's character, him admitting that to begin with, was a sign of how HUGE his character development was.
Goku never changes but most of the former enemies do Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, then Buu
When you're already a good person, there is no need to change.
You can be a good person and still go through change
goku changes a lot but most of his character development is erase every new arc, now in super he is just retarded.
Goku grew up a lot in Z,, and even in the last arc of Dragon Ball, but Super made him go backwards
Jose Guerrero Super made everyone go backwards, I'm just hoping that they all get to move forward again.
do a video on goku's backwards character development.
I agree. It'd be nice to get a video on that.
he won't, he believes super is masterful and will defend it no matter what.
slifer875 you sure about that?
maybe goku just got to many head injuries during his fights which dumbs anybody down after a long term
Yeah, masako is part of the super apolgy squad. HE made 100 videos defending it. Its like the people who say goku losing to the ray gun wasn't a plot hole. People should just accept super sucks for certain parts of it. Doesn't mean you cant like it, but a REAL fan accepts the faults of a show and still loves it, not pretends it doesn't exist. ALL FIVE dragonball T shows have problems. Its unhealthy to ignore the faults of any of the dragonball shows.
Problem is that tons of Dragonball fans only approve characters who are stone cold badasses. That is why they call Vegeta a pussy when he does something silly. That is why they say Gohan is worthless because he became a family man (and hate Chichi for "ruining" him). And that is why they hate Piccolo when he babysits Pan. Just look how many people want Vegeta to become evil again and blow up a few planets.
On a side note: Piccolo is really good with kids. There is a reason he and Gohan are so close.
Sebastian Abele Why do you think their favorite character is broly? It's mostly just preteen fans going through a fase.
Well, i love The Big Guy, too^^ The first one is actually my favorite DBZ movie.
GamerBear Atleast some of them had a reasonable motive, Broly just hated Goku for crying. It would of made sense if he was angry with Vegeta since his father tried to kill him.
I agree that DBZ fans only accept superficial moments of hype for the characters they like solely for that badass factor, (which for characters like Gohan its ignorant to think he always was one just from one fight) but Vegeta, him tap-dancing for Beerus was pretty cringeworthy to me because of how out of character it was. And I don't care how people justify it, it would have made more sense of the Great Saiyaman, Gotenks or Yamcha did it. Characters whom are generally silly should have been the silly ones. Not Vegeta. But people wanting Vegeta to become evil again don't know the character at all and hence you can see why most DBZ fanfic is garbage.
BTW. I recently read some Goku Black bashing because ´Super Saiyan Rosé is "too girly". Really says a lot about the DB fandom.
i'm a fan of goku but yes vegeta>goku in dbs...
Kyosan Shojou lol
NOT GOOD ENOUGH, WE NEED VEGETA TO BE 1000000000000000 TIMES STRONGER THAN ZENO (what a desperate Vegeta fan would say)
Kyosan wow, that was....savage :D
Kyosan Shojou
Actually I like dbs goku....^^
But i have to admit I love Vegeta, too.
I like dbs at all because Vegeta can shine more (to name one reason^^)
Curze Nope goku is way stronger and better lol
YES HE IS!
"And he gets shit done." *looks at Perfect Cell and Majin Buu* Weeeell...
Masako never said it was always good sh*t.
Timothy McLean My implifications are not killing Cell when he had the chance, and not helping stop Buu when he had the chance. Technically, he's doing stuff, but you know thats not what Masako meant.
An Advocate For MangaTM I thought you were talking about him letting Cell become perfect and how his self-destruct didn't accomplish anything.
Timothy McLean Well the first part, yes partially, but I was moreso focusing on the fact that he didn't end him when he had the chance, and by not helping stop buu, I meant not helping prevent Buu's (re)birth.
An Advocate For Manga and neither Goku Bro, Gohan kill Cell, and The genkidama kill buu not Goku's Power.
I wanna be better in Super! I wanna! I WANNA!
Jake Theberge There is more than one way to realise the legend hhhhhh
Lajj_666 push ups, sit ups and plennnnty of juice
You know the funny thing is that's what Vegita actually said to Cell.
Er the part about push ups sit ups and juice I mean.
DoubleSunday
Who are you replying to?
dislike for that terrible singing sorry.
Oh I know it's terrible! Totally intentional. :P
I need to invite you to one of my karaoke parties some day
MasakoX you would make for an amazing whis if they ever do a Super Abridged 😂
Marquis Manigault i like it
MasakoX You should do a video about Goku and talk about what kind of character development he would need since you already talked Vegeta's in Super.
"I WANNA BE AAAALLLL BYYYY MYSEEEEELFF"
Without a doubt. It's one of the main reasons I love Super.
I demand Team Four Star to make a song of Vegeta singing all by my self.
still waiting for vegeta to go all out in round 2 vs beerus.
patrick in another of his videos, masako talks about Vegeta finding out beerus have the order being a possible next arc
That's the way I understood it, Beerus was planning on destroying planet Vegeta but Frieza just beat him to it
Eyeless Jack no, in Resurrection F, Whis specifically says something along the lines of "wait until Vegeta finds out you gave the order". it's after they arrive on earth to wat the sundae
RvrStyxRasputin that was a translation error or something to do with the dubbing.
Vegeta was my favorite character in Z, and he's my favorite character in super. i love how he's kept his overall aloof and brooding personality, but still manages to be nice and caring.
I really hope Goku starts to take Whis's advice about becoming more focused. His blundering about in the Future Trunks arc were some of the most infuriating moments I've seen from him. It feels like the writers cranked Goku's stupid dial up to 11.
AzureTheta ikr it was lie, 4 in z but now it's like 14
Goku has to be weak some time.
AzureTheta it's honestly like Goku's intelligence is reverting to how it was in the original Dragonball. Sure he's still a great fighter, but there have been so many times in Super that he's more naive than he should be. Super is one of the reasons that Vegeta has quickly become my favorite character in the franchise as a whole and Goku is slowly joining Chi-chi and Goten as one of my least favorite characters and it honestly makes me sad.
I kind of hope the stuff in this arc is the catalyst for him to take the advice.
For all the "goku has always been stupid" comments, I feel you guys forget when he pulled off a Batman Gambit against Cell, repeatedly saw what would happen if everyone relied on him (and attempted many times to avoid), and purposefully destroyed Freiza's Pride, giving him a cruel Mercy at the end of it. That said, they took the guy who did all of that, the guy who showed he understood people more than anyone else in the series so far, and turned him into... what he is in Super. Im fine with them displaying his less appealing traits, thats absolutely wonderful, but to go so far as to regress his character development, subtle as it was, is actually rather insulting. Goku's character development has always been a bit more subtle than others, but thats because they didnt need to do much with him for him to shine in his own way, but it was still there. Super Goku seems more like a parody, and not a good one at that. Whats worse is how it seems like people forget that before he was a universe buster, or even a planet buster, Goku was a master martial artist, not just a street brawler. Even in Super, they kind of retcon just how good at it he was, more during Whis' training than anything, but that can be explained by getting used to the different types of fighting over the years. Either way, I feel they need to let Goku grow more as he was, and greatly lessen the retardation effect.
The reason I say all that is because if only one character shines, even in just CD, then the series starts to become dry and dead. Vegeta advancing SO MUCH as a character is a great thing, up until you realize how much he has advanced compared to other characters.
His fight with Cabba was so awesome! One of my favorite parts of Super so far.
Wow alot of people are disrespectful towards goku within this comment section.
Those little details like Vegeta's stance show just how much thought is being put into Super. People like to say that no one cares about at Toei, but that's clearly not the case. There's a lot of love going into this series. It's just going the more traditional route of anime with visual storytelling.
One of my favorite moments that more subtly show how Vegeta's attitude toward his family has changed was from the family holiday episode. When Trunks comes out wearing his new shirt at the shop and Vegeta says something along the lines that he does not care. Then, without a beat, tells Trunks that he missed a button. Did ... did you just parent, Vegeta?
Listen, I have been a Vegeta fan-girl since the early 2000s. I have read countless fanfic and doujin and seen thousands of pieces of fanart; however, there is something so utterly satisfying about seeing a canonical more mature, dare-I-say "caring" Vegeta. He still has his pride intact. He still is a badass. But, you know, he also seems to really care about his family. I am happy with Super in this aspect.
Even though I am a huge Vegbul fan, I do wish there were some more Gochi moments. XD Poor Chichi.
Don't forget Vegeta's sick training montage in the gravity room during the android saga. That man inspired me to star working out.
I think Goku is getting senile prematurely from his childhood brain damage...
hahaha
We need Lani to do that song!
The fork breaking scene after both Vegeta and Goku retreat from their lose to Black shows his frustration not at someone being stronger than himself but of failing to protect his sons future.
Hey Masako, do you think you could make an episode on the contributions of the human characters, and what more they can do in Super?
I hope they go on the direction of DB Online route and make Ki control popular across humanity. It would be a fresh concept for the shows that could introduce new interesting characters and plot ideas. I would love to see Krillin open the New Turtle School and for Tien to start the New Crane School, it would give the characters new purpose.
David Reeder Giving power to such a worthless species, don't let lord Freiza catch you saying those kinds of things
David Reeder But what about Yamcha?
Master DinnerFlax What about Yamcha?
Joking aside, maybe he can make the Wolf Fang School.
David Reeder School for gifted Saibaman
Hercule would have to give up teaching though cause his techniques with Ki would be too dangerous to teach to mere mortals.
This is why I want to see some type of gt two, where like vegeta is the main guy, breaking his limits, saving everyone, and all that
Love the video but "Get shit done"? do you remember the Cell Saga?
More like... ''Get shit started'' :(
Still love him ^_^ Trunks is my fav though.
Chowdhury 797 lmaoo
Yes, I remember how when Gohan was in a beam struggle with cell, Vegeta hit cell in the back with a little blast, disrupting his concentration. Sure, Vegeta's pride caused the unleashing of Perfect Cell, but he also helped destroy him. It was the same in the Buu arc, the spirit bomb was Vegeta's idea.
Alexander The Conqueror Ya, after it was his fault that Buu was revived. Z was basically Vegeta fixing his mistakes
he's also the reason why gohan lost the use of one arm
Vegeta, the fixer of mistakes
Vegeta is my favorite character in DB and is mostly why I watch the show. I'm so glad you made a video that makes him justice and narrates his beautiful character development! :D
Damn right he is I want him to become stronger than Goku and he beat Goku in the first fight
that vegeta singing was awesome , i hope either you or lanipator make a whole song parody
I actually really like how dumb Goku is in Super. A fundamental part of Goku's character is that he is quite literally brain damaged, and has been since he was a child. It contrasts so magnificently with his innate genius as a martial artist. His line about having never kissed Chichi was one of the funniest in all of Dragonball, for me at least. As for Vegeta, he has definitely become the most rounded character in Super. My favorite Vegeta moment in Super is probably when he punched Black in the face while he was monologuing.
Also, don't think I didn't notice your use of the Advent Children soundtrack, you sneaky devil you.
I think Goku is the type of character that doesn't need that much development. He serves his purpose as the main character, but his general arc doesn't really require growth. He fights, he eats, he saves the earth. Done. Vegeta is another thing entirely. He is the type of character that needs change, otherwise he would just become unlikeable. Part of the reason why he is my favorite character in DB is because his constant development. He's been evolving ever since he was first introduced.
good point. in the scene when vegetta slouched over, i thought he took a defeated attitude but your right, that was him relaxing to maximixe his fighting ablility. he's definitely my favorite character.
Vegeta took whis' advice about relaxing but Goku is still acting like an idiot. But the main question is HOW TF DID HE EVEN GET THE BLUE FORM?!
Lots of exercise and plenty of juice.
vegeta was always my most favorite dbz/dbs character for obvious reasons as stated by masakox
Don't forget master chef. Did you see him serve up that octopus?
Yeah - turns out Vegeta is a brilliant cook. Probably another reason Bulma has given Vegeta less shit over not having a job in recent years, lol.
Bulma's family is probably the riches in the world. Vegeta doesn't need a job and neither does Bulma for that matter.
SJ.Fox There family is rich because Bulma and her dad work.
Super MnO There is such a thing as being so rich you never have to, keywords "never have to" work again. At this point it's passion for the field to keep going or to get even richer, probably a mixture of both. The Briefs can retire in luxury at any time and still have a powerful inheritance for another lifetime of high-life living.
SJ.Fox Not with the expensive way the briefs life, just think of all the zeni spent fixing time machines and producing gravity chambers.
Vegeta vs Trunks training, that surprised look on his face after condeming him was amazing!
Now we sit back and wait for the Goku fanboys to start flaming this video.
how perfect your pic simply fits your text xD
Schrödinger I honestly want Goku to get better character development like Vegeta did in Super.
Brandon Dodge He did all his character development in Dragon Ball.
the dovah born I mean I want him to continue to get good character development, not just stay the same all throughout Z and Super.
The Father-Son Galick Gun was a defining moment for Vegeta and the series as a whole. It truly was spectacular character development.
I think that Goku has become too overconfident which is shown as his stupidity. In short he has become too relaxed.
Top 10 Best Vegeta moments in the canon story (DBZ - DB Super).
1. Vegeta beats the shit of Black Goku.
2. Vegeta and Future Trunks with their "Father Son Galick Gun"!
3. Vegeta tranforms into Suer Saiyan Blue and beats the shit of Frieza.
4. Vegeta's final explosion (My favorite moment of Dbz ecsept Vegito).
7. Vegeta gets angry at Lord Beerus.
6. Vegeta and his Final Flash
7. Majin Vegeta vs Goku as SSJ 2
8. Vegeta vs 3 of the warriors of universe 6.
9. Vegeta tranform into a Super Saiyan.
10. Vegeta and his kills in Dbz.
He is the best developed character on the series.
This is why vegeta is my favourite character. That final explosion in the buu saga is my overall favourite moment in the dragonball franchise. I still get choked up when i see it
I think Goku doesn't seem to have much room for development, tbh. I mean, he's in no position to really change himself given he's more or less content with his surroundings at home or at King Kai's. At the start of Super he was being a farmer, which is something I can't recall him doing since he was a kid in Dragon Ball. If there's ever a strong opponent, he drops everything and takes advantage of the opportunity to train and/or fight. As shitty as it sounds, it's become the foundation of Dragon Ball Super. There probably wouldn't be much action in the series unless Goku managed to be the only one who slept through it. At the very end of Z when it was 10 years after Buu (which I'm guessing might become non-canon) Goku actually did something a bit different, and that was he thought ahead for once. Surely he wanted Uub to be strong enough to give Goku a great battle, but he did say he wanted someone else to be earth's fighter. He wasn't going to give that to his family... or Vegeta. With that being said, perhaps Goku was looking forward to settling down after that year was up?
As for Vegeta, I think the most important thing about Vegeta and him being a Prince is that without the things he was given and entitled to in his youth, he was just a bully under Freiza. His ego and his allowance of him being a prince convinced him that royalty was nothing more than the strength you have to dominate and him being beneath Freiza reinforced that notion. When he finally lost to Goku, he was confused that his lineage wasn't enough for him to get the job done. When he was on earth, he wound up following in Goku's footsteps. He didn't like it, but he refused to remain merely a follower. His experience with Future and Chibi Trunks, his relationship with Bulma all brought him to the moment where he could become a stronger Saiyan from the moment he humbled himself watching Goku fight Kid Buu.
Being a Prince means more than just being strong, and honestly I'd say Vegeta has probably come close to the end of his path as a Prince when he's truly showing that he's fit to be a king. Even if that's just a fantasy in the DB universe, Vegeta really has come a long way showing the audience everything it means to not only be a prince... but a true... *true* Saiyan.
Personally i think it'd be good (and incredibly satisfying) for Goku's development if he was training with vegeta, started acting stupid, and drops his guard against an annoyed vegeta. Because of this, he gets the living daylight beaten out of him by vegeta. Then vegeta can call goku out on how much of a dumbass he is, and remind him that if he keeps acting this way, one day he could actually lose the people he holds dear, like he did in black's timeline. This could lead to some actual character development for goku (for the first time in like 25 years) as well as vegeta, being the selfless one of the two. And lets face it, seeing vegeta pound goku within an inch of his life would just
I think Goku doesn't need much change, his character doesn't require that much growth because his life has been relatively peaceful and good. He likes to train, fight and eat. Vegeta on the other hand, has had many changes in his life, from being a spoiled prince, to being a prisoner of Freeza, to being his lackey, to having nowhere to go, to being obsessed with Goku, to being a dad, to falling in love and becoming a family man. Vegeta is constantly choosing to be a better person, while Goku just needed brain damage to be one. That makes Vegeta a better character than Goku in my eyes.
Vegeta's character development is one of my favorite things about Dragon Ball. Seeing how far he's come from being a villain to a hero.
Super gives him moments that I wanted to see more of in Z; and that's spending time with his family like in episode 2.
Also him pulling a Piccolo and taking a blast for Future Trunks.
And TFS Vegeta is somewhere out there saying," that's right kakkarot. I've finally looked truly deep within myself and realized my character. I have stepped into a reign of my own and have achieved great maturity. Do u hear me kakkarot?! I'm finally better than u!!!!!"
Goku: neat.
Vegeta: F*** U!
Vegeta has been my favorite character, especially now. The bit with Cabba was great, I hope they do more with the two of them. Actually show Vegeta visiting the other universe's Saiyan world.
I mean, he was the best character in Z.
oh boy! I have no idea if you listened to me on the previous video but Thanks for expanding on Vegeta's character through the series!!
Best Characters of all of Dragon Ball!
1)Bruce Le
2) Chiotzu
3)Jackie Chan
4)Broccoli The Legendary Vegetable
5)Cooler than Frieza
6)Social Justice Warrior Gaymasu
7)That tree that guy just shot
8) The Tiger That Chased Gohan
9)All of the Shadow Dragons
10)Ka ki ka ka Carrot Cake
11)Friezy Pop
12) Monaka
13)That planet Beerus Destroyed
14)Vegetable
15) Chappa
Super is like Toriyama and Toei looked back on all of dragon ball and its flaws and worked to repair them. They saw what was good and what was bad. The references are endless. Vegeta is redeemed every episode and Goku is showing a side that was ignored but ever present from the beginning. I feel like super is a lot more mature than db and dbz were in the past.
I love it. Sure, they dont get everything right and a lot of it is..... bad but a lot of it is still very nice.
so Vegeta and Trunks are better than Goku and Gohan now, yea I can see it
I'm liking the content and how you are talking about everything with the show and choosing the topics wisely, You've influenced me to make some of my own on other subjects to be honest and i really like that. I agree with you on how Vegeta has grown so much as a character that i didn't really see it until it was pointed out by Chris Sabat, You bring up some great points as well
Goku goes to future earth to punch shit, Vegeta goes to future earth because his son asked him for help.
Let that soak for a bit.
Honestly, I'm glad Vegeta's character and development has progressed, even after that final moment of compassion for his son in early Buu saga, and acceptance in the final conflict with Kid Buu. He's developed so much, since the only times we got to see him in GT was him with a MOOSE-TACHE and driving a car in the Dragonball Galactic Search arc, and showing up at the final battle with Omega in the Shadow Dragons arc. Good on ya Geets!
At first I didn't like Vegeta that much in Z , but later on mainly in the Buu saga he had grown on me. Then Super came along and now he's one of my favorite character in Dragonball! His character progress so well throughout the series and in Super you get to see his other emotions besides just standing there frowning. Always go out on his own, training on his own, and the "I will surpass Kakarot. Here in Super, you see him with his family (cared for them), actually trained with his rival than by himself, and on top of that actually show qualities of being a prince.
"He gets shit done"
Oh yeah, that's the PERFECT description of him ;)
Mad props for the reference to The Critic. Can't believe how deep I had to dig in the comments to find someone who noticed.
goku is best in db
gohan is best in dbz
pan and trunks are best in dbgt
vegeta is best in dbs
who agrees? :DD
DEFINITE AGREEMENT!.
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Yep! Agreed 500%.
farmer with a shotgun is the best in dbz
I hate it when people like Hail Zeon say how Vegeta's character has regressed when all that happened was his character didn't progress in the way they wanted.
I think Trunks I the best character in Super, but Goku is the best character in Dragon ball.
Nah. Trunks is just walking plot armour
Yeah... I sorta made that comment back when I wasn't looking at Super from a critical standpoint. Looking back, the entire future trunks arc is just shit.
Also, the present trunks gives me a pan vibe. Where he is just there to get saved by vegeta
Honestly, I've kinda drifted away from Super entirely.
While I do see the correlation with that slouching stance and the advice Whis has offered him... that stance still just looks wrong in my eyes... there are legitimate fighting stances which convey a relaxed demeanor but that stance just screams to me "Easier to draw" for the animators. Which is fine... it does fulfill that story arc but really it's there as a crutch.
I just want the Human characters to get some respect after all this time, why cant we have a Super Human God Krillin, or Tien? Hell, why cant Piccolo become a Super Namekian God? I love the Saiyans, but I hate how the other characters are completely ignored.
because in life there are strong and their are weak. Saiyans are strong and ever growing. Humans are weak and fragile.
Haha I love this video. Vegeta's growth has been my favorite part of the series. In super whenever he gets angry I just think "yeah okay vegeta stop being grumpy"
He is an incredible amount like my dad. My dad is a damn grump a LOT of the time and most of my childhood but like, he has an incredibly difficult life and he no matter what always loved his family and took care of us, so i started to make it kinda comical. I realized that just a few months ago why I like vegeta so much actually, its the familiarity.
What are you saying...... Vegeta is the *BEST* character of Dragonball series....*ANYDAY*...... *ANYTIME*..... *ANYWHERE*!!!!!!
I agree with you 100%. Would like to see him have more time in the spotlight though.
Vegeta and beerus are the best characters in Dragon Ball super
Father son Galic gun scene when trunks makes another last stand against the newly fused zamasu. It totally shows him growing up and how his family makes him strong, like it did goku. That was my favorite scene!
Trunks is the best character in Super.
Beezyy topkek
Riccardo Carlini huh?
Beezyy trunks is leaving next episode judging from the title so we will probably still have development for Vegeta
Until episode 66.
THANK YOU! Vegeta has always been my favorite character since Cell saga
I haven't watched the whole video but my theory is vegeta might, mighhhht be stronger than goku, because in dbz, goku had to use kaioken to beat vegeta. And as u see in super, vegeta was training with whis before goku, so it could be since vegeta was training before he absorbed that god ki as well maybe because he was able to turn ssgss, and when why's said it seemed the right time to train goku, it means that since Vegeta wanted to surpass goku, he probably wanted vegeta and goku to be tied. Well just my theory perhaps but yeah this is what I think.
Nuke Acorn vegeta was never stronger then goku except in dbz battle of gods but this is super where talking about
Vegeta is now.
Or possibly equal but I don't think Goku could have beat Toppo, Vegeta was using some weird techniques.
I actually like the more comical Goku, as it gives him more character than just the simpleton hero he was in Z, always wise and knowing the right thing to do. Now, he's flawed, and these flaws have caused him to do the wrong things somehow, which they've never acknowledged in Z. But he's still Goku. I loved his sparring match with Trunks, adapting to the fight, beating Trunks easily but then going down to offer him a helping hand to get up. That's Goku. His fights in the tournament were great too. I love how all the fights against Frost reveal the characters of Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta. Against Goku, Frost portrays himself as a likeminded hero and plays on Goku's morality to keep him off guard; Piccolo is strategic, cunning and therefore Frost plays the same games; but Vegeta is ruthless and pragmatic and does not take shit.
"He was the epitome of a spoiled brat."
Adult Griffith though.
Vegeta's interactions with Future Trunks have really shown the growth he's had since the Cell Saga. That one last punch before Trunks left with Mai? Gold.
I absolutely love all of your discussion videos please keep them coming! 😄