WHY DOCTOR GERO IS SO WEIRD | Dragon Ball Z Discussion | MasakoX
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- Dragon Ball Z has many villains within it which stand out, but one of them got relatively overlooked. However, today we describe Doctor Gero (Android 20) as one of the most crucial and useful villains ever in DBZ. Why? His legacy and his realism which make him the most unusual, weird and scary bad guys in the franchise.
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Anyone would go crazy if they saw some child single handedly destroying an _entire army_
I imagine it be worst for a man of "science" like Gero. It was bad enough he'd have to deal with talking animals,General Blue and a commander who wants them to collect seven "magic" balls that supposedly grants any wish.
DBZMacky And that his son died by Kid Goku's Kamehameha blast that destroyed a building to wipe out the RRA air force.
Sipershadowpower2 But it makes more sense for Dr. Gero's revenge against Goku. Avenging a military organization where its incompetent leader wasted lives and resources to get the Dragon Balls so he can grow taller is a shallow and flat motive.
@@rexlumontad8078
I know I wouldn't. Who would?
Yeah but he went WAY too far he turn the dead corpse of his kid into killing machine and then turned his wife into a pink monster
the most relatable trait of dr. gero is that he starts one project, looses interest halfway through when the success doesn't come quickly enough and starts a new one, never really finishing any of them.
Windhelm Guard Jesus he’s the anime professor calamitous
God it’s like the only android other than himself he seemed to “finish” was 19 and he was basically the weakest one
He did got to finish making Androids 13-14-15.
story of my life.. 😳
You mean like Toriyama developing characters?
What if Android 13 never lost his Trucker Hat?
weldonwin none of the z fighters would have survived. The upside is that country music would have survived cyborgs 17&18.
@@joshuasepeda3289 And Android 13 fights 17 & 18 if they try wipe out country music.
He'd still be a trucker. Duh.
He would've taken over Beerus' position.
That was a phase lol
I always felt like Gero was a pretty underrated villain. His end goal didn’t depend on him being alive, he just wanted to kill Goku and have his creations cause suffering to the earth. He had many contingency plans and created multiple combatants who were above or close to Frieza in power, which is no small feat given how strong Frieza was, even in the Namek saga. While his plans didn’t exactly work, and he had made some oversights, such as not monitoring the Z fighters on Namek, don’t forget that there was still technically a timeline where Gero completely won and Cell killed Trunks.
He got a victory, Even if it was bittersweet in the end.
Yeah, Cell technically killing Goku made him sort of win.
The original timelines may count but not the main one really, sure Goku was dead for...a few years, whatever the gap between cell and buu was, but that was it. He bought a few years of no goku.
So does it considered as a win or a lose for Dr. Gero in the timeline where zeno wiped out the entire timeline?
Well, Gero still got what he wanted: The Goku of that timeline and all of his friends except Trunks remained dead.
Dr. Gero is an underrated character that has definitely a lot of development lately. I wonder how he managed to meet a woman like Android 21 (before she was an Android)? Also I wonder if his wife was indirectly killed by Goku as well?
it would be cool if teamfourstar did a video similar to the 16 video with him and 21 or maybe a dragonshortz focused on gero,21 and 16.
I'm more curious as to how the hell he got married to her.
@@VigriffWell, there's that theory of 13 being based on Gero's appearance in his prime. So fi I had to guess, it was the trucker hat.
Just realized something...Goku got mad af and got a rage boost when android 8 died...and Gohan got mad af and got a rage boost when android 16 died...Both androids were multiples of 8, and 16 is double of 8, and Gohan is the son of Goku...my god...Goku and Gohan care about anything related to the number 8...
I'm going to get really nervous when Goten meets Android 24.
@@conchurmacghreannmhair7072 he's gonna go ssj blue.
he is going MUI
With the 4 star ball being the main Dragon ball of the Son family. Hmm... could be 4 is also an important number in dragon ball.
......And why is that important?
What if Krillin panicked and wished for immortality on Namek?
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeèees
no more "krillin owned" count
I always took it as Gero blamed himself for 16’s death. He wouldn’t have died if Gero didn’t bring him into that life. And he was obligated to make another android to kill Goku by the army at the time. So he brought back his son then captured 17 and 18 only to lie and say they were 16’s betters so he wouldn’t have to use his son and in danger him again.
I always wonder what Gero's reaction to Cell destroying 16 would have been had he lived to see it.
Imagine if Freeza discovered Dr. Gero's history after being revived on Earth and used another wish to bring back the scientist to work with him. After killing Goku, Freeza could have an army of loyal soldiers as strong as Cell to conquer the universe.
"Loyal"
Lets look at Gero's track record for maitaining loyalty among the androids.
@@BurningFyre 17 and 18 were the problem children.
That's actually pretty cool when U think about it😎😎
Also he would be like
"Is it that hard to do body modification on a Alien??"
@@sagetheassassin3192 "Hmmmph, I hope you realize YOU'D be the alien in the Frieza Force."
@@dubuyajay9964
Not really. How many types of aliens exist in this force? Dozens at least.
If you think about it, since #16 and #21 are his wife and son respectively it's likely he was trying to rebuild his family as well as get revenge.
Still wonder how Gero got his hands on Majin DNA though.
Because of 21's Majin form?
I mean, he did manage to get Frieza cells, and Frieza was kinda vaporized.
Its specifically says that there are little insects he made that follows songoku around getting dna
@@Athkore and the spybug used to gather dna was destroyed in the Saiyan saga, and namek is another planet
I like to think that his wife was dying or was sick which is why he wanted to bring her back as a new type Android. Hell Perfect Cell could've even been a prototype for 21 so then she might be the true ultimate lifeform of course that is not what Gero intended. As for the spybots you see there were still some left or one of Dr. Gero's other supercomputers that hold copies of his mind built some more to improve his wife. However the problem being some of Majin Buu's cell got in her. Most likely around the time of the Majin Buu saga when Buu got released. Can you imagine though if he had a clone of himself or like had his soul seperated from himself cause of that weird soul research he did? Like before he put his brain into an android body he sealed his soul for it to be put into a new type Android body like 21's. Imagine it. Android 22.
I would very much like a What if where Goku is found by and allied with the Gero family and Red Ribbon Army instead of Brief family and Capsule Corp. What if Dr.Gero made the Dragon Radar first instead of Bulma and sent his son out to look for the Dragon Balls and finds Goku.
would be neat but honestly after the wish with Commander Red being taller...and then getting killed by everyone in the army for his stupid stupid wish. The Red Ribbon army would disband and we'd end up with Gero taking the reigns... possibly...
but, he'd then never have the interest in android takeovers since his son would be alive and all, i mean, sure his wife's passing may nudge him internally but it wasn't until the death of his son that he started to really "break the mold" by modifying human beings (himself, lapis and lazuli)... so who really knows...
It'll be interesting to see where things take off after the wish into the king piccolo arc...hell, goku not ever developing his martial arts being a factor may be interesting as well...though gero's son might not make it back alive after they get the dragon ball from master roshi depending on how military his attitude is...
huh lots of factors flying around on in my head...most likely, gero's son would be as gentle as 16 and not immediately be beaten to death by goku in their first meeting...
i'm going to leave the what iffery to Masako
reifuTD That would be interesting when Good!Gero make Androids to protect Earth from Frieza and his PTO army.
CAOcreations, As far as Goku's training goes he would most likely still train with Master Roshi after the Pilaf Saga, I do love the possibility of him catching the eye of Mercenary Tao and becoming a crane student but that's probably a low possibility.
Goku's relationship with the Red Ribbon Army during the Red Ribbon Saga would be important. I'd imagine the Pilaf Saga search for the Dragon Balls by the Red Ribbon Army was just a small side project to investigate there strange energy mostly and if the wish thing was true then also good, that's why Gero's son would be the only man sent on the mission. After that the wish thing was confirmed the Red Ribbon made the Dragonball top priority. Giving that one of Goku's possible closest friends works for the Red Ribbon would make him a little more trusting too and hesitant to attack them.
reifuTD that's kind of the idea, but Gero woudn't send his son out with the radar if the entire army was already looking for them too. He would have given all of them a radar if that was the case and that would have made their "searches" allot less sporadic and most importantly less violent...or at least potentially.
No need to call tao pai pai or kill anyone in the vicinity when you know the location of what you're looking for.... at least not needlessly if there is no retaliation.
Training with Roshi is sort of up in the air. I mean, after bringing him some random mermaid or whatever gal they can find to get the ball from him, there wouldn't really be a need to train since that's not what's on goku's mind in that encounter. Unless turtle talks allot more about master roshi than he originally did to fill them in as they take him to the island. That might make goku interested in it since he grew up under gohan's tutelage and parenting.
lots of things could go in different directions depending on what happens during the entirety of the search for the dragon balls towards the end of that wish red makes. This heavily relies on the grand searches means, and whether or not gero mass produces the radars and hands them out to all personnel or keeps it "in the family" so to speak and sends his son out on a mystery search to potentially get killed by who knows what.
Keep in mind that gero isn't *too* overly protective of his son at this point and has plenty of confidence in his technology and weapon development. He wouldn't have a need to send his kid off on his own to search for the balls. It would just be a happy "coincidence" (plot device) that it ends up being his son that happens to find goku and take him along his mission.
CAOcreations, Well I'm assuming the Pilaf saga happens relatively the same, so Goku would still need Roshi to put out the flaming mountain and show him the kamama. I assume something happened in the original timeline that caused the Red Ribbon Army to mobilized between the end of Pilaf saga and beginning of Red Ribbon saga, like someone saw Shenron the damn sky goes black and he's big so there had to been hundreds of people that seen him or Bulma blabbed to the wrong person. In the new timeline at the point of the Pilaf saga Gero or who ever is researching the Dragonballs aren't sure what they have and theirs no reason why the Dragon Radar Gero's son uses isn't a only prototype.
Yeah by the time the Red Ribbon Saga happens there is no reason why the whole army can't be outfitted with dragon radar so that whole Saga's search would defiantly end quickly. With out the battles that Goku had to go through he should be weaker when fighting against someone like Tein. When King Piccolo arrives will be fun there where many good strong fighters in Red Ribbon and since Goku didn't kill all of them they will be up and able to fight Piccolo's minions.
Damn it I REALLY want a breakdown on android 21
"What if Android 21 was canon?"
Yes please!
Lady of Blades I think he already did Android 21.
Done
I dont understand how this guy has less subs than geekdom. His commentary is fluent, smart and his video quality is way beyond anything geekdom puts out.
What if Gero gave himself an infinte energy model android body instead of a power drain one. This would put him on par with 18 and 17 and so would mean he has much greater impact in the cell saga.
Could he have taken his brain out and put it in that body though?
Canine Kitten that would be awesome. If it wasn't for the interference of toriyama's editor, gero might have upgraded himself to that model at some point in order to handle a super saiyan grade 2.
@@demris15 19 helped him finish 20
But then if he got absorbed like the other two Androids, then the Z team would most definitely lose. Since Gohan himself needed help, it would be the end, which might be the reason they did that.
@@Blackmello Cell specifically needs to absorb 18 and 17 though. True absorbing Infinite Gero would make him stronger but Cell isn't actively looking for him so Gero could likely avoid it.
I find Dr. Gero to be one of the most underrated major Dragon Ball villains, especially given how he was taken out of the story so quickly by Cyborgs 17 and 18, though you have Yu Kondo to blame for that. Don't get me wrong, I love Cell, he's easily my favorite Dragon Ball villain, but who knows what would have happened if Akira Toriyama's original plans came to fruition.
I will be honest Dr. Gero was always one of my favorite villains based on his design alone it’s been really disappointing that he hasn’t appeared in any of the more recent dragon ball games like Xenoverse 2.
Potential "What If?" idea on the back of this: What if Dr. Gero survived? (or at least, survived for longer than he did in DBZ) How would his continued presence affect the Cell Saga, and potentially beyond?
I would like to see what the story is with Dr. Gero and Android 21, it would be amazing to see her canonized (Hopefully with a proper story) as there is just so much potential with regards to their story.
I can really imagine the two of them being two hopeful scientists who dreamed of changing the world with their inventions, working together and falling in love, only for something to happen to 21 (i.e: accident, illness, etc) that sends Dr. Gero down a darker route and eventually to help found Red Ribbon and ultimately start developing androids.
Next Dragon Ball Super movie better be something like "21 the Final Android"
I love Dr. Gero. His design is really cool. His motivations even without knowing what 16 was about clearly showed off a lot. I wasn't so surprised he was gone as quick as he was, mainly because something about the teenage twin's being released scream "um yeah he's so done." But I definitely could've pictured him being more humanized as the saga went on. Cell was definitely unexpected and granted Cell is my favorite villain and his imperfect form is my favorite DB design, period. Overall I feel like it would've been great if there had been more info, backstory connections, flashbacks, and maybe even a ressurection of Gero to stop his own madness (or help and still end up dying) when seeing how 16 functioned. I do honestly believe that as good as it all turned out, Toriyama was still at his prime and got rushed because "oh they look like clowns" and then "but there just kids" into Cell. Like I would've been ok with 15 more episodes before we even saw Cell, and 15 more added onto Cell too. Where I'd say the Buu Saga should've been the opposite (unless they'd done a better filler arc with bojack or taken Gohan's story in a way better direction).
The storyline with his son really humanizes him
Can you imagine the final fight between Gohan and Androids 19 & 20? Maybe 16 was always planned to appear as the last boss, but they were replaced with 17, 18, and Cell ?!
I know the editors got us to the Perfection that is Cell, but this really is an occasion where the squandered a very worthy idea purely on aestetics
What if krillin killed freeza with his destructo disk after he used solar flare?
but just cutting frieza in half wouldnt kill him. it would really piss him off though haha. i mean, frieza himself cut his own legs and an arm off, and blew up with the planet, and still lived.
@Frizzurd the energy goku gave him was to get him to his ship, but he used it to attack goku instead. So it was used in that attack. And yes he did need medical and cybernetic treatments, but he did still survive the explosion, and floating in space, something no other dbz character can claim.
@Frizzurd yeah I should have said up to that time in the series. As you said, buu and cell could do the same or better.
@@titotheninja it he cut him in half he would use his hands or legs so piccolo would kill him or krillin would use another the destructo disk
@@professorintheworks382 the main argument is he was cut in half that way. What if his brain is sliced in half? Wait does their brains work like ours?
I personally believe that the reason the Androids never obeyed him is because he gave them personalities or let them keep their old ones. 19 was the only one to obey him and he had almost no personality at all
What if Goku was found by Dr. Gero and became a little brother of his son, and they joined the Red Ribbon Army together?
I am really curious if he eventually also will give us 21's real name like he did with Lapis and Lazuli.
Vomi
When I was little I was obsessed with Dragon Ball, but I had only been watching the original on some old DVDs my Grandpa bought me. The whole Red Ribbon stuff really stuck with me and had a huge impact.
From what I remember, the first bit of post OG DB I saw was Super Saiyan Goku standing behind a glass wall, some villain was taunting him and explaining how strong the glass was but he just shattered it with a single tap. That really blew my mind at the time because I had never even heard of Dragon Ball Z, all I knew was I turned the channel to Cartoon Network on Foxtel and Dragon Ball grew up.
I have to say you guys did a LOT to improve the characterization of the Androids in your abridged series, especially 17 and 18. I still think my absolute favorite parts of the entire saga were all centering around Android 16, especially whenever he fought Cell.
I’m so happy you made this video. I have always wanted analysis of gero and how much of a tragic character he is.
i always wanted to see where he was going to go with Doctor Gero, and its really one of the main reasons why i wasnt a huge fan of the cell saga. It felt like there was something there, but its just ended before it could even get far. One has to wonder where it would have gone. Would Vegita have learned ssj when he did had the editors not stepped in? How would that pan out, with 19 draining all of gokus energy?
In fact that would be very interesting, because the combat would have to go back to its martial arts roots, losing all of its ki-blasts and such because theyd just drain the energy right out and get more powerful. Yeah sure, goku would probably be out for the arc, only to return at the end like with the previous two arcs, but the journey there would have been very different. Not only that, but the final speech Gero would likely give to Goku at the end of the arc could have been very compelling.
If Toriyama and Toei ever do something simular to the Path of Power special, it would be cool to see a younger Dr.Gero back when the Red Ribbon Army was first introduced.
Dr gero was fantastic when he appeared, he was a horror story, a monster, a mechanical vampire.... when we first heard of the androids they had destroyed the future and killed everyone, when he first appeared he was an old man who drained the life and energy and strength from those characters we cared about we saw what he did to yamcha and next could have been goku or gohan. when gero first came out he scared me as a kid, android 17 and 18 however not so much with there ambrocrombie and fitch outfits and there oh we are strong and dont get tired in a fight(which was never really used to its full potential).
If we were to separate Android Saga and Cell Saga I still think that Android Saga was way better than Frieza and Buu.
I would love to hear how gero and 21 acted moee with 16 and how it all played out
What i find weird, is that with all his info about Z Fighters and what they did, he never tried to collect dragon balls, he knew how to make radar (RR Army had it before) and i bet #19 could collect them in like 1-2 days. Also with Z Fighters gone i think he would be a hero of earth, defending it against Frieza and Buu, can you imagine, a Cell made from Frieza, Zarbon, Dodoria, Cui and Ginyu Force?
I mean, when you put it THAT way, now I really DO want to see more development with Gero...
Hey Masako, speaking of android 21, maybe you should do a video on her if you haven't already.
i agree, i would love to see him due a video on her. :3
Ironic that 16 was a good guy and they never bothered to try and revive him with the Dballs.
Always wanted to see how Cell would act under Dr Gero. Is he programmed to obey hero with all the passion he puts it killing and his own perfection? Did Gero have plans after Cell?
What are the rolls of the Cell Jrs? A new army? A replacement species? Part of Gero's master vision or a holdover from King Piccolo DNA?
Do a video on why the Androids we're so strong compared to the Super Saiyan's even when Gero had no idea about Super Saiyan's. Didn't even have time to tweak anything on them before activating either.
The way I interpreted it 17 and 18 have infinite power to a degree. As long as their energy exerted doesn't go over the amount they can regenerate per second, they can increase their power level exponentially.
@@tommysupernova663 I know it's the way the characters were written but I find it crazy that Gero gave them a big enough energy storage to be able to over power Super Saiyan's. It's one thing to have the storage and then over power Super Saiyan and then have to regenerate it after the fight (which would be their version of being exhausted). But to wipe the floor with a super Saiyan and not be anywhere near depleted. It's crazy they are stronger than Freeza, despite Gero not being able to fathom that amount of power.
Hayden Stafford Gero is very much about the end result more so than how it is achieved. In his mind I think he was counting on having androids so overwhelmingly strong that Goku would stand no chance against them. He may have even calculated just how much power would be needed to outdo him completely at his highest known energy output, Being Kiaoken x3 at the time, then added some more to that for insurance. When 17 & 18 ended up exceeding his projections and seeing how unreliable they could be, Gero thought it was perfectly sensible to scale back and create 19 and 20 in a way that was a more precise use of power that would still overwhelm someone of Goku's projected strength.
Maybe it’s due to his over obsession with killing you-know-who?
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@@merrittanimation7721 Lol you beat me to it
Art by Shawnna beat me to it😂
1) What if Gero survived after his decapitation [17 never stomped his skull] and how his further interactions impacted the show?
2) What if Gero WAS the android from Trunks future and had resurrected the Red Ribbon army?
Love your work Lawrence.
One can argue that Gero's viewpoint toward creations he dubbed as failures could possibly mean that he is a perfectionist. Something that would have been imprinted upon Cell as he sought out Androids 17 and 18.
What if Goku was raised by the red ribbon army?
No doubt Toriyama will probably try and retcon at least into one universe/timeline that Dr. Gero fully utilised Dr. Myuu's Machine Mutant technology in Hell, creates an Artificial Mutant God, finds the Dragonballs after they disappeared from Earth at the end of GT, used them to get Goku back, as he is now one with the balls and use his Artificial Mutant God to tackle with young or by this time Teen Goku, who has to once gain use his power to transform into Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4 God Super Saiyan to stand a chance against him and again all this to avenge the death of his son and to continue his ambition of replacing all humans with artificial ones, so that nobody has to die. :)
Wow, this was really interesting! Made me see Gero in a new light!
My headcanon is that the RRA needed Gero for their tech but were also secretly ashamed of him because he didn't have a color for a name and so never talked about him.
What if dr gero escaped and survived the cell arc?
Goku saying smart things is really strange.
I touched on this idea in my own what if series. In the course of Dragonball Goku was more careful about killing. As a result Gero's son didn't die, and as a result of that Gero is a different sort of villain. He's not quietly preparing for his revenge, but rather a more constant thorn who's been sending androids at Goku more constantly. He's more interested in proving the superiority of his creations (and world conquest), since revenge isn't his goal. Basically a Lex Luthor sort of figure driven by ego instead of hatred.
I honestly thought Dr. Gero was one of the cooler villains, and when Dragonball was starting to air on Toonami he made me excited for when they would get to the Red Ribbon Army. Mercenary Tao turned out to be a bit of anti-climax, though.
But it's a shame Gero didn't get to do more before he was taken out of action.
I'd often wondered how things would have gone down if we'd somehow gotten a King Cold/Frieza vs Android 19/Dr. Gero throwdown.
You should totally explore the lore of Dragon Quest, at some point.
Dr. Gero is my all time favorite DB villain and I so happy to see a video on him.
Dr Gero is the true MVP of the Torunament of Power
I love your love and respect for 18! And I love that you can seamlessly see all sides of DBZ and it's characters,and you inspire us fans to do the same. Thank you 🙏
Red Ribbon connection was one of the coolest things about the androids. That and trucker hats.
I feel like Gero was a better character after his death than he was when he was alive. There's a lot of cool elements in the story that people attribute to him, but they all occur posthumously. That's not to say he wasn't a powerful opponent while he was alive, but his defeat gave us the things he left behind which were much better. Even his motivations seemed more interesting once he was dead.
But how did he get his brain into that droid!?
... The same way Sasori put that meat cylinder into that puppet!
... That sounded better in my mind.
I feel like Cell is an extension of Gero himself.
I have an idea for a what-if. “What if Android 16 SURVIVED the Cell Saga?”.
Feel like Bulma would make upgrades to him every now and then for him to keep up with the z fighters. He could of had some real character development. Been cool to have an filler episode of trunks and goten screwing around in the lab while bulma was making upgrades she leaves and they by accidently messes up the computer or type random gibberish trying to be funny and manage to messed up his programing for 16 to malfunction and start wiggin out doing all kinds of crazy stuff before they bulma is able to get 16 shut him down and fixes the error lol
This is a great idea. More critical retrospectives, please!
Great analysis
gero was wasted. showed up and was killed to quickly. Since he was above all an inteligent scientist (and not a warrior) we could have had at the begining of that arc an investigation theme, trying to localize the androids and understanding their objectives. Gero being A20 should have had greater relevance.
I feel like Gero was supposed to live and grow to regret his actions upon seeing 17, 18, and Cell go berserk, but that idea got scrapped. Not even sure why, honestly, since him just providing exposition about how the androids work/are so ridiculously strong (something that's never brought up) would have provided some nice world building.
@@joshuakim5240 you bring up world builduing. i feel it is something dragon ball lacks.we see some of it in DBSuper but on a cosmic scale. As an adult i feel DB focused too much on the fights themselves. we could have had so much more depth.
Gero is one crazy, weird, and heartless mad scientist
Not heartless. He does mourn the loss of his son.
Thank you for this, MasakoX!
10:49 I noticed that pattern too, (mostly because it wasn't that hard for me to see because I went through my own struggles with my father... and it was something that I personally started noticing in my life not long before I started to watch Dragonball in the early 2000s). My theory is that Goku and original dragonball are a tribute to Toriyama's father, and that Gohan and Vegeta are dichotomous projections of himself... possibly separating his own twisted emotional struggle within himself.
And you are absolutely on point. Dr. Gero is the most human villain in the whole series... with a very poor bit of story-telling attached to it. Don't get me wrong, the android saga (through Cell) is my favorite... but it's obvious that Toriyama was told (or personally decided?) to scrap most of it to move things along and get passed the unpopular character designs of 19 and 20.
It was because of the connection of the Red Ribbon Army that i even went back to watch original dragonball.
Gero was my favorite villain. It's why in the days of the first CCG I tried my darnedest to build good Android 19 and 20 decks.
The thing that really bothered me about Dr. Gero (and Dr. Frappe) is, why don't they have colour-themed names like every other major Red Ribbon Army person? There were still some colour names available, most notably Green but also the likes of Orange, Brown, Gray, and Gold. ... or did Toriyama just forget about that like a lot of things?
This appearing on youtube yesterday wasn't a fever dream after all.
I love how in the manga Gero just squishes a guy's neck until his head pops off. *FATALITY!*
Personally I really like Gero along with most of the androids (canon or not)
He indirectly saved the multiverse by developing the artificial humans. Particularly 17. Who knows if universe 7 could have won without him.
I now have much more respect for Dr. Gero than I did before...
Gero for Fighterz pls?
I remember when I first watched Dragon Ball all the way through and realized Dr. Gero isn’t seen or mentioned in the Red Ribbon Army arc. I was very disappointed.
Remember it is both possoble, and even nessesary, to simultaneously enjoy a peice of media media, while also looking at its more strange or unusal aspects
What if the backstory of Dr. Gero, #16, and #21 were originally a part of Toriyama's draft for Android Saga before editor told him to change? Maybe, that's why he tries to expand the Android Saga character in across DB medias.
You know, that's a really good point.
“Game Ending Machines” 😂
His Falcauner theme was one of the best too.
Masako! What if cell had been resurrected instead of frieza? Resurrection c. Could cell have achieved a form similar to golden due to his DNA from frieza? Or even more frightening, could he utilize his saiyan DNA to achieve a power to the likeness of blue or rosé? Find out on Masakos next what if(?)
Dr. Gero wanted to keep Android 16 out of fights, and wanted him to be safe? Then what was with the bombs in the chests?
I like Gero first because of his already in your video stated position in DB-history.
Second for his rememberal design. His outfit is really something you see so often in DB.
Third for drawing him. I drew a card of him some years ago, and I just had absolute fun drawing the outlines with all his wrinkles xD
And of course, we wouldn't have cell without that crazy doc
Gero has always been one of the best!
Here is a thought... If they wished back everyone killed off by Cell, including Android 17, what has Android 16 been doing all this time? ;p
My interpretation was that since he was completely cybernetic, he wasn't technically killed. He could still probably be wished back at any time with a "rebuild Android 16" wish, but since he is inorganic a revival wish wouldn't work.
Was he ever "alive" to begin with?
@Sipershadowpower2 To be honest I'd say it's more likely that Eighter getting revived was a mistake than Sixteen staying dead was a mistake.
Doctor Gero could have been an amazing villain. Dragon Ball definitely needed more calculating enemies with more complex stories and motivations; something that Gero could have provided.
He was able to create cybernetic fighters that were stronger than the Galactic Emperor of the Northern quadrant of Universe 7. With data based only on battles that Goku and his friends fought on their backwater planet, with power levels beginning in the low hundreds during the 22nd Budokai Saga, both Piccolo Sagas, and into the thousands and ten-thousands with the Saiyan Saga, his ultimate creation became strong enough to content with a Super Saiyan 2. Talk about talent!
Not to mention that if you count the crazy feats of exponential power growth within the Saiyan and Frieza within Dragon Ball Super, Cell could have had the most potential growth within any fighter in the history of Dragon Ball. The story would not be where it is today without the help of this mad scientist. I wish the manga/anime gave Gero a much better backstory, like with Dragon Ball FighterZ did with Android 21 being a recreation of his wife, and Android 16 being a recreation of his deceased son. I always wanted to know more about their relationship.
Well Gero was supposed to be the main villain of the arc before editorial meddling. Whole reason the early android saga feels like of all over the place. I do wonder how the arc would have played out if Toriyama was allowed to just do what he wanted back then.
I now like Dr Gero more than I did. I hadn't thought about what an interesting villain he is, thanks dude :) Android 18 is my favourite android though as she is cool, powerful, develops a great character arc and as you stated is on of the best mother's in Dragonball :)
Pretty interesting.
Didn't know you were doing something like this. Several delays why I'm behind.
Would you consider doing What if one of the good guys Turned bad?
I think they covered that in Dragon Ball Super. Pretty sure it was called the Goku Black Saga.
@@leafox7863 It was implied i meant Other than Goku!
@Frizzurd Exactly!
@13:00 Lmfao at Masako's face xD
What if the cell saga was the final arc of Z (like how it was originally planned) and the other stuff like GT and Super still takes place
So, basically, 'What if Goku didn't come back for the world tournament'? Or 'What if Gohan didn't stop training'?
The Chainsaw Toaster actually there is no evidence that’s where it was going to end no interview no confirmation or anything the buu saga was where toriyama wanted it to end the reason it seemed less serious was because he didn’t have an editor at the time and had free reign to do what he wanted
@The Dragon God no
So what if Buu saga never happened
@The Dragon God not really, because they still gave gohan a daughter in Super. And ssj4 is already so lame, gogeta just made it worse.
Why didn't Dr. Gero ressurect his Son with the Dragon Balls? We know from Dragon Ball that the Red Ribbon Army was aware of the Dragon Balls and it even uses a Dragon Radar, which was persumably built by Gero.
Technically, we have no idea how long his son was dead. And even if he tried after the destruction of the army the wish wouldn't have been granted anyway since the set of Dragon Balls created by Kami couldn't resurrect anyone dead longer than a year.
makes me wonder what gero was thinking when he made 19? was he designed after some person in his life he once knew?
He’s based off a trophy he took from an enemy base it was a doll or something
WHAT IF....Dr. Gero never died!?!? (And got a hold of Trunks' time machine too!)
A lot of people who love and analyze the series point to the theme of redemption with Tien, Piccolo, 18, Buu and even Goku turning from threats to the world into its protectors.
Not Dr. Gero. He saw Goku from a completely different angle than "Honorable genius fighter", more "the monster that killed all my friends". Gero isn't going to be redeemed and he doesnt want to join the Z Fighters, he wants to kill Goku and he'll create Androids for generations to do it.
Symbolically he spits in the face of the thematic redemption of many long-running characters AND brings a darker shade to the early series' childlike whimsy. Goku's actions from when he was a boy directly impact the series even after he's long dead, thanks to Gero's machinations. Vegeta and Piccolo talked big about wanting to kill Goku and end the world, but lost interest. Gero OBSESSES over it and in a few ways actually succeeds. Revenge like that is SCARY in its scope.
Nobody has tried to paint the picture of the horrors of Dr. Geros experiences on the androids. From kidnapping children to horrific operations. This needed to be a DBZ movie like future trunks
I was watching DBZ Abridged and I love your voice for Goku / Kakarot.
Very nice!
My favorite scene in Super was the two Androids helping up Son Goku
Ever since I found out about all the changes made behind the scenes of the Android Saga, I've always wondered what it would be like if Toriyama had ignored them and Cell hadn't taken over.
Or even if indeed, Gero hadn't unleashed 17 and 18, or at least not been killed.
Even visually he's very different from most DBZ villains. Perhaps his second form, if he had one at all, would have simply been his skin being burned off his robotic bodyafter activating some upgrade. Now that's the kind of What If story I'd have wanted to see from Xenoverse.