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SAIYAN MOTIVATION THEORY EXPLAINED | Dragonball Z Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2018
- Dragon Ball Z brought us Saiyans but we were confused about them. What were they exactly? What were their needs and wants? We just saw them as warriors but today, thanks to Abraham Maslov's Theory of Human Motivation, we delve deeper into revealing what the exact desires are of Saiyan warriors and how Goku and Vegeta differ as well as confirm our theory on the matter - explained!
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Motivations:
Goku: brain damage
Raditz: desire to live
Nappa: wanting to look after Vegeta?
Vegeta: pride
Turles: love for botany
Broly(old): KAKAROT!!!!!!!!!
Santiago Cando What about Prototype Cabba (Tarble)?
LoneWolfX220 I forgot
LoneWolfX220 tarble: weird potato wife/thing
Santiago Cando lol
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Bardock:FREIZA
Crazy idea... The "Need for Safety" is not absent, it's actually completely flipped to become a "need for conflict". A lack of safety leads to more zenkai boostes leading to more strength and eventual self actualization.
THEY CAN WIN, THEY FEEL GREAT, THEY. CAN. DO. THIS!
The Ozaru in them works as a Nail and Kami
Frieza: Oh really? *powers up Supernova*
Planet Sadala - They fight for the sake of fighting and getting stronger, also to show their dominance over others. They take over planets for fun and are generally considered evil. Until war broke out and they took over a new planet after Sadala was destroyed, they called it Planet Vegeta.
Planet Vegeta - They fight to serve Lord Frieza and conquer planets in his name. This trend was broken by Bardock, who revolted against the tyrant. When Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta, along with 99% of the Saiyan race, the only survivors were Kakarot, Raditz, Nappa, Prince Vegeta.
Kakarot landed on earth and, thanks to his saiyan nature, fought for the sake of getting stronger and fighting strong guys like Piccolo. Although he was seen as a hero which contrasted to the Saiyan's usual villain persona.
Raditz and Nappa also fought for the sake of fighting, but did so in the name of Frieza. They were both sadistic warriors with stone-hearts and no actual goal in life.
Vegeta fought to prove that he was the best at everything, usually taking planets by himself to try to prove to Frieza that he was the strongest in his forces.
Universe 6 Saiyans fight in the name of justice like the Pride Troopers and are hired by other people to fight in wars or tournaments. They are usually a peaceful bunch, only fighting when necessary.
I guess the more peaceful faction won the civil war there.
@@dubuyajay9964 No, Vegeta explains when talking to Cabba for the first time, that Planet Sadala was ravaged by war, once it had been destroyed they took over a new planet and named it Vegeta.
@Mr420Spy
Broly (not Super but Legendary Super Saiyan) is a psychopath who loves killing and relishes in the blood of his enemies. Vegeta used to do that aswell.
Paragus is a manipulative sociopath who used his own son Broly for his own selfish revenge and was brought to justice by Broly's psychopathic nature as the Legendary Super Saiyan.
Tarble is an oddball in this, he was a peaceful saiyan that would have made sense if he was a female. He was also written at a time where Toriyama forgot that the Saiyans were usually cold and heartless warriors, so he made Tarble a Universe 6 type Saiyan.
Female Saiyans could be as brash as males but they were more likely to have a nicer personality. Not sweet but like a Tsundere (they do care, but just don't like showing it).
As you said Turles is not canon, but he was on the same style as Raditz and Nappa. Yet he hated Vegeta with his very being and was actually quite smart like Bardock.
Ryan Carberry
The 'new planet' was called Planet Plant and was being ruled by the Tuffles, the saiyans were treated as lower-class citizens by the Tuffles until the saiyans finally rebelled and named it Planet Vegeta
What inspires Goku?
Well that's simple my friend!
It's Fighting and ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd.
You forgot fighting.
@@dubuyajay9964 lmao
TFS needs to use this joke
it should be Food and ffffffffffiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggggggggghtiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg
Too Superior 2.0
Hey. Dog king didn’t get to have his walkies after the world-wide orgy, he sacrificed much in his rule.
In my opinion, Sayians are similar to Spartans in a way.
Only with more eating and no slaves.
TONIGHT WE DINE IN HFIL!!!!!
Is similar more to German ! ^^
@@Tareltonlives Like German ! ^^
@Mr420Spy just as Spartans did with wolves/the wilderness.
Happy Turkey day everyone. Also WHAT IF VEGETA WENT TO EARTH WITH GOKU.
Raditz would make more sense
@DerekNation99 if we're going with the Super Broly movie. That'd be funny
And Trunks will grow up and be best friends with Gohan instead of Goten.
It could be the Ultimate "what if insert sayain here turned good story."
Yay turkey day!
Something i clocked on... May just be a coincidence. But this fits your colour theory very accurately if u align to auras n not just hair colour... Super Sayain god or the Root Chakra could be described as the physiological needs. False Super sayain Orange Aura fits the regards to needs of safety which is really the strength of your guts n overall the resolve of a person.
Then you have Love and Belonging tying straight it the solar chakra and the mentality of super sayain ascension. You could even say that super sayain 2 with its more golden aura is a cross between Gut and Solar.
Then we get to Broly and Kale (as much as this depends on him in the next movie) both characters were closely tied to their own esteem. Their yearning for respect, freedom and to be strong that brings the beserker similar for us all.
Then finally you have the self actualized aspect of being the best you that can be which ties in to the throat chakras rendition and the whole stick of super sayain blues meaning of harnessing ones strength and not wasting potential energy.
I find that thinking this way does kinda fit the concept you are using to analyse the sayain only you have misconcieved that Sayains and Half sayains have different parallels to their own regards to Safety.
Not only do you have Raditz and Kale breaking that mold from a pure blood side but Goten hasn't much regard to his own safety as well being almost carbon clone of Goku n all...
But i bring that up as if you want to take the idea even further on tying those theories together. I would take the angle thats proposed more litterally as the needs of well any creature varys from upbringing to even the perceptions they have.
Ya see in a way this chart would be in all of us except with different rules that we personally would define. Such as physiological needs referencing Reproduction... That could manifest in a manor where you search for specifics to the opposite end of the scale where it just a game of cocks and rubbers...
You could apply this logic to every single thing but if you were to use this chart to analyse a character from Dragon Ball you would have to start from the point down instead of how we form our own perceptions of ourselves as we experience this concept from the ground up. Our self actualized realities the last peice of the puzzle that is the what and why of out actions.
When taking this to realism you can't know every detail of physiological needs presented from the outside looking in. Thus you must observe what they do and work your way down to determine or well recognise these personal needs in greater and greater details the more you watch them. Not as in a lengthening check list of aspects more a redifined varation from previous models. As like in a show everyone is in a progression there is no real end to who someone is.
sayains remind me of like those gang of guys who just like to drink beer all day at the bar and chase girls. vegeta and goku are TOTALLY in a different league when it comes to wants and needs. they actually have a desire to train and get stronger. other sayains are more like "ok i'll train for a while but im already strong so whats the point, we work for frieza and we are successful"
MORE RADITZ TURNED GOOD STORY LINE PLEASE ALSO
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!.
Bafflingbird 18 I agree. (Happy thanksgiving aswell.) but we need to have patience.
He already finished, the tournament is over and that is the end of super, kinda on a hiatus
I would consider them as the Spartans.They were raised and trained for war and battle and weakness was not acceptable.
But I wonder why? What were they battling before Frieza came along, and why? One of the things that bothered me about saiyans was the idea of them all having the same job or role. How is that sustainable?
(I know, thinking too much about it.)
Letty Lunasical no you’re not, this has crossed my mind as well.
I said in another comment that they are more like Assyrians, at least in terms of their history. They annihilated the dominant power of their homeland, used all of their technology while boasting of their superiority (while they just managed to win due to some insane luck,) never made a breakthrough, stagnated for a century, a new power shows up (Frieza in this case,) they are wiped from the face of the Earth/Vegeta, a few escape, thus ends their "glorious" rule.
@Kylo Wren That makes a lot of sense of the Planet Vegeta part of their history. By that point, like the Assyrians, they were a civilization. It also makes sense that they would stagnate for ages, never really improving, which is why when Freeza came along they accepted being his personal army, as the whole idea of saiyan pride was maybe more based on 'being the best fighters' whereas later with Vegeta it was more about self-worth.
But I was wondering about even before that though, as in, how they evolved into what they were.
I had another comment I'll copy over if anyone's interested:
1) I always wonder how evolution affected saiyans (I think this whenever I watch anything about aliens.) I wonder if Sadla originally was home to a number of predators/dangerous creatures so saiyans evolved to be highly aggressive, protective and the ability to work as a pack as well as loners. (However, how much of this 'pack mentality' was actually due to them working in an army for Freeza for so long?)
2) The previous theory would then cover Maslow's need of self preservation. Saiyans are reckless, but perhaps because evolutionary wise being reckless was a better way of protecting themselves in a violent environment. Further, it would explain why saiyans crave becoming stronger or the strongest.
3) In terms of self-actualisation, I think the saiyans do not attain this easily, and Vegeta and Goku are very lucky to have something very akin to it, if not it itself. I think that the saiyans were self-destructive because they could not maintain their behaviour.
So, evolution sometimes has side effects (i.e. in humans the human consiousness/ self awareness came from the evolution of our large brains which happened because we learned to cook which meant we could consume more calories more easily, which came about from the basic need to consume). Likewise, the saiyan need to always be the strongest could have come from a basic need, but in a large community this created conflict which was only resolved through violence. Therefore, I think saiyans kept trying to get stronger with the mind that that would satisfy them, but as Vegeta has shown (and as Maslow described with the man's utopia being one of food) this actually isn't enough.
That would explain why saiyans were never satisfied and is one reason they ended up becoming a menace. It would also explain why the Earth saiyans and Tarble are relatively calm and satisfied, because they were able to find love and companionship on top of being able to fight (i.e. all the contests) and being the strongest beings on their respective planets.
Factors that compromise our study of Saiyans
a) we don't have enough Saiyans shown in enough detail to make a real study.
b) The main saiyans we do know were raised outside of saiyan society. Vegeta and Raditz, arguably, showcase Freeza's values (dominance of a race/group, destruction of the enemy), not necessarily a saiyans. Goku overall showcases human values (love, peace, forgiveness) as do the hybrid saiyans.
Based on Pan, I would say that Saiyans are actually humans. They aren’t Terrans, but they are humans.
Also, what if Saiyans move up they Pyramid the more they interbreed? So pure-bloods are at the bottom, half-breeds are the next, and so on.
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Hey Masako, hope you see this!
I think it's hard to say if we could use the template of Goku and Vegeta across the saiyan race broadly. We only have a small sample to work with. Obviously Saiyans live for the fight, but whether or not that extends into them wanting to become better fighters might not hold up to scrutiny.
As a kid, Goku wanted to fight like all saiyans, but he had mentors who inspired him to further his fighting skills and to always seek new frontiers. This lesson stuck with him and it has been a constant companion along with his urge to fight. If he didn't have an enemy, Goku would find one for the sole purpose to better himself. Vegeta on the other hand seemed to be content, and to some degree still is, to be the strongest Saiyan. If Vegeta curbstomped Goku at anytime and finished the job, I think he would lose his motivation quickly, assert his place as supreme and not bother much to increase his personal battle power (atleast not to the degree of Goku)
Raditz was cautious and a bit cowardly and seemed to accept his position as lowest of the pack. Nappa seemed to love to fight, but I don't think he cared much about anything else.
I think Saiyans are primarily in it just for the fight, not necessarily to improve themselves but for the thrill of it.
My two cents :)
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Oh trust me they've been on it for a good long while hahaha. x'D
Hey masako
U ready to see Goku pull up today for thanksgiving in his super saiyan balloon form?
Sorry bro but because of the wind speeds and gokus height they might not show him because he might hit a building
Dang it
I wish they did
He can survive battles with Freiza and JIREN tho lol
He'd destroy a building if he fell into it
@@rvd1014 Oh, ye of little faith...
Very interesting. I've thought about this stuff only passing over the years, so you bring up a lot of really good points. I'm especially intrigued with the differences in human and sayain bonding/emotions. Can't wait for the next one!
Hey, just gonna kinda throw this out there. At lest for social interaction and the topic of friendship you seemed to have forgotten Bardock. I know his movie isn't cannon but if we took a look at his interaction with his team there seems to have been at minimum that brothers in arms mentality. But as for a best friend... well he does carry that blood soaked headband around with him. He did seem to have a pretty good friendship with Tora compared to his other company of fighters.
This may be an invalid point within the new movie coming up and changing a few things (and sadly for me I haven't had the chance to view dragon ball minus) but I feel Barock as the typical saiyan warrior in his first movie seems to imply they do form friendships in some way.
@MasakoX
Majin Vegeta: "You may have my mind and my body. But there is one thing you can never take from a Saiyan... HIS PRIIIIDDDDEEEEE!!!!”
VegetaSSB:"I AM VEGETA SAMA! "
!!!! HAPPY THANKSGIVING MASAKO !!!!!
thank you masako, very interesting video!
Saiyans like fighting and eating.
Eating part would explain why their planet looks they way it does.
Like most male animal speices.
What if Gohan is trianed by Vegeta ???? please Masako make this What if i'll be greatfull
Happy thanksgiving to you guys! To you too Masako. 😃😃👍👍
Gohan, Trunks and Goten might one day move beyond the need to constantly get stronger but for Goku and Vegeta the need for a good fight is part of who the are. To paraphrase the line from the Broly trailer, the story of the Saiyan Warrior race is told through combat. The psychological need to find the absolute strongest opponent and prove that they are the strongest whether they want to or not is just ingrained in the Saiyan mentality whether be for good or for ill.
I hope you talk more about this regarding universe six Saiyans!
Great video! Just rewatched the Saiyan saga and thought of two interesting scenarios: What if Yajirobe went to Namek with the others? and What if Vegeta's tail grew back?
Maslov's theory is more or less a spectrum running from the physical to the spiritual; as each hierarchical need is fulfilled, our wants move up a level of abstraction towards total self knowledge (which is the same as knowledge of everything, because you don't exist independent of everything else.)
It's a logical theory, but doesn't quite reflect the reality.
Creative development is compulsory for a small number of people and irrelevant to most others.
Some people don't have any particular need or desire to know themselves even if they can understand intellectually that it would be in their best interests.
In this way, the creative intellectual man lauds it over the simpleton, but is possessed of self consciousness because he feels that in the absence of self-actualization, he is incomplete, whereas the simple man has no need to justify himself existentially and so possesses the very completeness the intellectual deems himself uniquely qualified to pursue.
The simple man may be simple, but at least he is able to regard himself as a man and not as a mouse as the intellectual is forced to by his self consciousness.
Thus it is only the man who clings to the self who loses it.
Victory is in a simple soul.
@FuckYouAllToPieces
Well ask yourself the question: "What do I want?"
At first you'll think, "Well I'd like all this money, power, eternal youth..." and so on.
But if you think through those things, you'll realize that they don't satisfy you.
Material possessions don't satisfy. Power robs you of any purpose. Eternal life is no different than eternal damnation.
There is no desire, even altruism, that can survive scrutiny. No matter what you think you want, if you think about what would happen if you got it you decide, "I wouldn't look down on such a gift or achievement, but it's not what I really want."
If utopia was ever achieved, people would break it to make something interesting happen.
The reason the model doesn't work is because you can never know what you really, deeply, want. It works as a generalization, but is irrelevant in particular.
@FuckYouAllToPieces
But how can you want it when you already have it?
To want is to lack.
i think goku and vegeta definitely can transcend their saiyan nature. this is seen in goku's speech to vegeta in the buu arc while attempting to convince him to fuse into vegetto, that they should start a new race...etc.
on top of that, we see goku's desire for the next generation to take over, as well as him directly training uub (aside from wanting to fight a strong guy) to take his mantle as the protector of earth.
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Hey Masako, after you finish "What if Nappa turned good", could you do, 'Wjat if the Saiyans turned good' snd have all Three Saiyans turn good IE Raditz and Nappa don't go to Namek after turning good, and Vegeta lives to end up with Bulma?
This gave me a super cool but simple idea for a what-if! "What if Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta were friends?"
It's already there. It's just called "What if Frieza saw Vegeta's Potential?"
oooh, I must have missed that one!
I like your angle with this. I don't have a very informed opinion on psychology to this extent, but I think you might be helping a lot of fan-fiction writers figure out their characters. I don't know.
Anyway, I like it!
Thanks, Masako
Love the video! Can you do one video comparing Self-Motivation for Future Trunks and Gohan then another for Kid Trunks and Goten?
What if Piccolo won his fight against Goku?
Oooo he might still die though during the sayian saga
Jr or King?
Jr
Goku's Saiyan Pride manifested during Battle of Gods, when he had to come to terms with the idea that there was a level of power that he couldn't just put in enough effort to meet on his own, which wasn't really a thing he ever had to contend with, previously (sort of). I think Saiyan Pride manifests when it comes to their abilities as warriors, that they can come together as a social species, but when it comes to fighting, they have to be able to stand tall and alone, and that is what leads Goku to be more instinctively independent and Vegeta to kill one of the few remaining members of his own species.
I've heard a lot about Maslow's hierarchy of needs, but I always heard his name being pronounced "Mas-low", instead of "Mas-lov"... You just made me question my entire life. Good job, Masako. :D
masako you should make a huge what if combining if raditz and nappa turned good, and if the movies were cannon and maybe some others if you want, it would be pretty interesting
goku/Saiyans eating habbits is darker than you think. there is a reason Saiyans eat a lot
@Phantom Saiyans eat who they defeat. that is how they survive when they get sent to planets as babies. fight and eat until everyone has been eaten. then the planet is sold
@FuckYouAllToPieces if King Piccolo never got sent to earth and if goku never hit his head he would have killed and eaten every one
8:48 “all hail vegeta, prince of no one”
Great topic! Happy Thanksgiving from the States!
I love exploring alien psychology, and the Saiyans are a fascinating species. Toriyama did an amazing job exploring Goku's psychology and variations with the other Saiyans.
2:16 Yeah I was thinking water but I'm not sure why you pointed it out.
Masako, Any chance you can do another Side-Story IF but this time combine some of the ones you have done and see the different outcomes from that?
The ones I'm talking about is:
What If Raditz turned Good.
What If Nappa turned Good.
What if Cell turned Good.
And...
What If Gine went with Goku to Earth.
Imagine the differences and outcomes that could happen with a combo of these.
I wouldn't mind seeing specifically a combo of.
What if Raditz and What if Nappa turned Good, because then you can go from the very start and work yourself around the two What if stories and just alter some bits slightly?
Toriyama wrote them to follow the plot
Raditz and Vegeta actually are good window into how most of the very low class saiyans were likely both treated and likely viewed themselves when they were the "weakest". Expendable and easily extinguished trash that constantly needed to be ahead of any threat that came their way or looking for an opportunity to become better. Even with only a handful of Saiyans left, the hierarchy was established both by social ranks of a dead race and by the power the Prince had over both of them. A system that Kakarot comes into for a time, being the only other pure saiyan left alive and unseats Vegeta as someone always surpassing him.
Even with only two of them left, in a monarchical and class line that is now essentially meaningless; Vegeta defines himself through that context even now, however he tweaks it into accepting some sort of earthling role.
The bigger look at Saiyan culture will be how others react to and treat Broly, because of the reverence even Vegeta had at the Legendary Super Saiyan. Where he isn't just the strongest, where his power isn't just the most Saiyan thing ever, but that he may be the Apex of their species. A hypothetical pinnacle of power and existence. What Saiyans could even see as Enlightenment, with very practical and physical elements.
It could be reasoned that the weaker a Saiyan is the more he/she values self preservation. Sure there's an innate love of combat they're practically Neanderthals, but having higher cognitive abilities like Homo-sapiens they have the ability to deny their base urges when something of more immediate priority occurs. I think it's worth also considering that the existing living saiyans are atypical in that they've adapted to life outside of the Saiyan norm regardless of how they try to live like normal saiyans by looking for combat, Vegeta has a wife that he actually seems to Love, they arent raising their kids in vats, and they have more power than any other Saiyan ever did which would account for added boldness.
I really want to see Vegeta interacting with planet sadala's sayians :p
I was just watching another video from you
Did last speakdom from WorldOfGeekdom motivated you to make this?
Happy thanksgiving second
"There's one thing a Saiyan always keeps, his PRIIIDE!"- Vegeta
I love you mosako!
Masako a good idea for a what if is that you should have a crossover what if with different anime.
So, I know you don't really talk about the manga, but i the latest chapter, we got to hear what Jiren wish and entire motivation for ultimate strength and justice as, it would be could if you could do a little video exploring the consequence of this revelation for Jiren character arc.
Love all the videos you do can't wait for you're broly review
DAMN YOU MASLOOOOOOOOV!
Your jungle statement made me think about this : What if Raditz was sent to earth instead of Goku?
Raditz's behavior could be in part due to the way Vegeta and Nappa treated him.
If I had to guess what motivates the Saiyans, probably the same thing that motivates Orks. Be stronger than the guy next to you and take his stuff. Or be really strong and take a lot of people's stuff.
Happ6 Thanksgiving everyone! Also, for once no opposing opinions Masako! This makes complete sense, or at least to me.
Here’s two what if ideas
What if Hercule learned ki?
What if Goku used potara fusion with Gohan?
You know, Masako. If you have such finite resources, couldn't you use the Infinity Gauntlet to make more of them?
You need to have a level for conflict and fighting and I kinda agree with the other person who said this: the need for safety in Saiyans is replaced wholesale with a need for becoming stronger through battle. Both Goku and Vegeta consistantly show that, as horrible as it migjt be to humans, they will put training and fighting above the needs of love and community. Psychologically they could not live in a pacifistic socieyy
What if Raditz was sent with Goku? It'd be nice, but you already have a lot of what if series. You do what you want.
Raditz: ''I. HATE. ALL OF YOU!!!” XD
Hay masako x would you consider doing a video on picalo. Everyone loves saiyans but I have an idea for a video. The idea is that picalo has a son of his own you know besides gohan, as we have seen picalo has some paternal instincts and after fusing with nail his personality became a little bit kind . I think that the kids name should be chanter witch is a smaller version of the bagpipes continuing with the whole instrument naming theme. : )
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That's a good looking pyramid.
If Vegeta the monster that he was can develop compassion and love for Bulma something tells me it's more common than you'd think, but it's taboo so it often doesn't manifest. Or at the very least it can't be that uncommon.
Please do a what if captain ginyu/ ginyu force turned good or survived to keep on training until super and ginyu could maybe unlock a body changes full potential because ginyu has a lot of potential such as body switching with a god of destruction
Would also be neat to see this type of breakdown for the non human characters of dragon Ball ....like the namekians
Hey Masako did you know that Funimation renaimed Toppo into Top in the english dub!
MasakoX, can you do a what if where Goku has learned the Kaioken by the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Tournament?
Here’s a theory for everyone. What if Goku wasn’t a complete idiot?
Raditz had two moments: 1. When Raditz mentioned that a Saiyan’s tail is key to their power, why didn’t Goku speak up and say “so if I still had my tail, I could get stronger” and went out to get his tail back; 2. When Raditz said what his plan was for to get Goku and that Goku was originally supposed to destroy humanity, what if Goku just said “I’ll help you as long as Earth is left untouched, I don’t want anything bad to happen to my family”, which would probably make Raditz notice Gohan (if he hasn’t already) realizing half breeds are possible to bring back the saiyan race (kinda like DBO).
There are more but the Raditz incident is the one that could shake the whole series
Happy Thanksgiving all!
And I agree w/ the people asking "WHAT IF VEGETA WENT TO EARTH WITH AND/OR INSTEAD OF GOKU?"!
I majored in Psychology, straight from Saaayian University.
After I saw the Sayians from other universe I thought OG Sayians might been cursed in the past, whole oozaru thing is based on werewolf curse anyway idk.
They are Spartian :D !! Also, What if Raditz escaped with Gohan ???
I think the esteem and the need to belong is intwined with the Saiyans.
Saiyan pride being part of it. Even to an extent of group think to where oddities among Saiyans having different prospective usually means said Saiyan becomes the butt of all jokes between the other Saiyans or otherwise shamed and considered unsaiyan for the difference.... except if the odd ball saiyan is exceedingly strong then he's earned the right to be different.
Please talk about the latest Super manga chapter and the start of a new story arc.
I feel that they need a villian that shakes Goku's resolve. Someone that can challenge him psychologically as well physically.
Maslow's hierarchy still works for Saiyans just as it does for humans. Keep in mind that the hierarchy is one of basic prioritization, and it's base nature, not an absolute. The archetypical human would normally sacrifice personal security for physiological needs, but that isn't actually true for the average western human. Most of us are sleep deprived to enable safety needs. A significant number of people will sacrifice safety and physical needs for esteem or love and belonging (taking financial risks to impress others for an example on the negative side, or sacrificing ones life to save another for an exampe on the positive side). The Saiyans eschewing safety needs isn't an example of differing from humanity, it's immitating what many consider to be toxic masculinity - being culturally pressured into risking safety to "prove" onesself. The cultural pressure gives immediacy to the "belonging" aspect while also implying a potential safety need (in the real world with bullies acting violently, in the Saiyan case being killed for being a "weakling").
So I have been wondering how come Goku can't go beyond a time's 30 Kaio-ken after all the years of his training and mastery of the super saiyan form's he can only use a time's 30 kaio-ken, when he first learned the skill he was able to max it out at time's 3 after a one year long training on king kai's plannet, wile it (think it took him 7 days) to get to namek he was able to use a time 10 kaio-ken and was at his limit's, kinda made me wonder, what might have happend to make Goku weaker, could it be because he unlocked super saiyan and stopt training with Kaio-ken, if so what would have happend if he had given up on the super saiyan forms and trained with Kaio-ken instead.
Yeah he stopped using kaioken since super saiyan is much more powerful and efficient and didn't destroy the body and if goku for some reason didn't use super saiyan and focused on kaioken he would be *much* weaker than he is now
@@darktigersharkmax4432 Well that is true, but we don't realy know in the end how strong he would have been, example is Vegita who didn't see the use of SS3 and instead just used SS2, so we would not know realy how strong Goku would have been if he had consentrated on useing the Kaioken insted of getting the SS2 and 3 forms. Right?
@@Kazuma_DoubleIce I mean ssj is a 50 times multiplayer which is stronger than any kaioken goku has done, ssj2 is 100 times, and ssj3 is 400 times, remember kaioken times 20 recks goku's body even in a divine form with perfect ki control so I highly doubt he can use kaioken to the point that it's better than ssj3 or even ssj1
As I recall, Kaioken simply cannot be used in conjunction with Super Saiyan. It just doesn't work. Kaioken and Super Saiyan are opposites, philosophically speaking. Super Saiyan Blue, however, is not a state powered by unrestrained rage, and is thus compatible with Kaioken.
@@DanielvSperber Yeah I know it can't be used in combination with SSJ but what I meent was that Goku would give up on SSJ3 and instead train to master Kaioken time's (say 50-60) instead and have SSJ2 as a back up in case the Kaioken did not help in battle.
2:02 i associate that pyramid with food
Can you PLEASE do a WHAT IF POST TOP GOKU N XENO GOKU FUSED discussion video
What keeps them going?
easy...
Fighting strong guys!
The Saiyan power hyarchy covers most of these in my opinion. Their drive to be the strongest covers social needs, personal self needs, and by being lenient on personal safety in order to improve or to present your own power will insure the overall safety of the race. Weeding out the weak. A constant drive to be stronger and more powerful fits this pyramid in my opinion seeing how saiyan society is based of high class and low class based off power level and warrior status. The more basic saiyans seem to be satisfied with just eating whatever they kill while creatures like Berus or Buu prefer sweets or gourmet food. Idk how to exactly explain what im going on about I just feel you were a little off on your explanations
Disease is the number one killer of Saiyans. Well, that and Frieza.
Does Masako have a full-face beard growing, or does he have more freckles than usual?
Hey masakox uh I thought about this and uh what if vegito fought Janemba instead of Super Buu?
Just saw the Goku float #DbzThanksgiving.
Wander if that female sayian was hybrid because she had blue hair in that pic with king vegeta but vegeta did have red hair at one point so maybe just her design
You should do a what if goku was raised by beerus/whis like if his pod got nocked off course! Please ;)
i feel like a saiyan would be capable of a lot of one were to go under the same type of mental training like when frieza was in hell during the resurrection arc, along with regular training.
Maslow's hierarchy doesn't work as more than a very basic guideline. It's also important to recognize that it can't be a hierarchy. Life doesn't like ordered things, and our brains can be very mixed up on what we *need* very easily.
As you spoke about in the video, Goky (and Vegeta) both sacrificed their lower needs for higher ones. This is common within stories and religion, though. Look at religious fasting, a denial of what should be the most fundamental need. Also practiced by almost a billion people in the world regularly.
Beyond that, a critical need for humans is other people. It's something Maslow didn't have much experience with given it's from 1948 and psychology was in its infancy. We *know* human's most fundamental need, a need that we can't operate without, is *other people.*
Who built your shelter? We caught your food? Who taught you?
If you're deprived of human contact for significant periods, you simple cannot function eventually. It literally damages your brain.
And I think that's the primary difference with saiyans. From near birth, they're surprisingly capable. They're savage, and they become strong very quickly. Gohan provided for himself with only minimal interference from Piccolo. Goku, originally, was expected to have taken care of himself and the planet. Sorta. And he was laughably weak for a saiyan!
Saiyans are capable of self reliance to a level humans just can't comprehend.
Can you do what if one of holy and vegeta went down the god path and one went down the super Saiyan 4 path?
Talk about the importance and philosophy of saiyan pride
What would you look like going ssj4
There is gonna be Goku balloon in the thanksgiving parade today. I want to masako talk over it