Why Did Goku GIVE UP Against Perfect Cell? | Dragon Ball Z Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- THIS is why Goku gave up against Perfect Cell.
Over the years, I have seen a lot of misconceptions over Goku's decision to give up his fight against Cell. In today's discussion, I wanted to highlight the REAL reason behind his choice to let Gohan take his place in the Cell Games!
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He was calm because he had a planned before the fight
Cell Has Everybody Cells Except Gohan
That's a lie. He does have Gohan cells
@@Hakeem9391 Actually Nope. He doesn't have Gohan's cell. Based on the Original manga, he only had Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Frieza, and King Cold cell. In the Anime, it also include Tenshinhan Cell.
If he had Gohans it would be over
When cell was explaining his origin to piccolo he said he had gohan cells also
@@baggmansosa6154 that was only in the Dub in thr original Manga he said he only had Piccolo Vegeta Frieza King Cold and Goku's Cell's only
Great content bro - enjoyed the discussion and the editing. Yes Goku knew Cell's power after fighting him and knew that SSJ2 was way stronger. Amazing how he found that SSJ2 was that much better from a few short glimpses from Gohan, Goku is that perceptive! He had great faith in his son, what a good father. Subscribed!
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Exactly. This is the Goku we all know and love, the martial arts master, master of mind, body, and spirit. He made fun of vegeta for practicing meditation in super hero "that's not training!". Smh 😭
Cell wasn't the first opponent who made Goku give up. Jackie Chun/Roshi was. When he used the Thunder Shock Surprise on him Goku said he's giving up but before finishing the word he was distracted by the moon.
He never gave up at all 😂 the entire time he was saying that he’ll never give up, the only other opponent who forced him into giving up was beerus
@@aka-fusion8909 Initially he did, but at the end he said ''I'll guess I'll say it''.
Lol he knew his son was exponentially stronger than him or cell so why should he die for no reason
Exactly. Goku gave up because he didn't need to go further than that and he knew he wasnt strong enough He only got to the ascended form Vegeta got. Not SS2. Gohan had enough ki to skip them which is what his potential was.
@@GeteMachine naaah Goku was way stronger than vegeta in the cell games it wasant even close
@@izuokoko1896 True vegeta admitted to goku being stronger than him at that point.
@@izuokoko1896 Goku was stronger than vageta but he is talking about Gohan bro
@@GeteMachineActually SSJ2 IS THE ASCENDED Form. Goku never ascend in Cell Saga.
Goku simply didn’t stand a chance against cell & Goku pretty much let’s this be known multiple times before the Cell games even started (Korin tower, talking to piccolo). And then it’s even further proven during the fight with cell & afterwards when cell powered up AGAIN. Idk why it’s so much confusion among the fandom. Great video!
Because goku isn't a pushover, the goku I know will only give up until he can't move anymore. He would rather die than give up.
Idk man I just think goku wouldn’t give up until he was done for and then let Gohan go in when he is fighting for his life also are we not gonna act like goku would have probably unlocked ssj2 as he always seems to reach a new level of power right before he is about to die
I don't think it really matters, Goku caused perfect cell to be created, through his actions and inactions of the arc, so what does Goku do does he fix his mistakes on his own, no he throws all of the responsibilities to his son.
Sorry can't respect a man who makes his 10/11 year old son clean up after his f**k ups.
@@nani4249 ok weirdo lol
@@jishipooburntsavage1878Goku knows he can't beat Cell and Cell is just playing against him. Also remember that Goku focused on training Gohan and didn't really train that much. In fact, Gohan is stronger than Goku even in SSJ1 version.
I liked the twist and how gohan transformed just a pity the new found power made him over confident and we know how that turned out 🙈. I wish they didn't make gohan study after the saga and make him loose a lot of his power
Strong and confident Gohan is always gonna be a favorite of mine, but I like how they took his character in a different direction. Anytime we need him, he always comes through and trains to catch up with everyone else, so I don't mind it!
I like gohan but I don’t get the obsession with sneakily trying to make him the strongest he’s a half ss while Goku and vegeta are full ss and obsessed with training
Great stuff, subbed and can't wait for more! Very good arguments overall and everything made sense, as well as good editing to back up your generally interesting voice and thoughts. Good work!
Much appreciated!
Korin say he guess cell is still stronger than goku.
Phenomenal video analysis. Anybody want anything negative to say about Goku’s for the most part or simply haters. We can tell people who actually watch the story and those who did it because those who didn’t always say the most negative ignorant things. Much appreciated for you clearing it up with me is to simply join the bandwagon and he did not use critical thinking skills as yourself have done.
Most haven't watched or read the Manga unfortunately
Can you end the endless debate of kid buu vs buuhan?
Of course! It may take a bit but I can definitely do it sometime
Super Buu in all forms is stronger than Kid Buu. Kid Buu just cant be reasoned with unlike the other Buus.
@@GeteMachine Kid Buu is now confirmed to have God Ki because he is a Divine Creature.
@@GeteMachine but people don’t get that.
@@fatman7064 That still means SuperBuu and the other forms also had divine ki.
It's simple really, it's like a game, why would you enter a fight that ya weaker then ya opponent, if you can choose somebody else that's stronger then you opponent,,, its like using a meta character against an opponent that uses the meta character , if using anything else you gonna lose that fight
I know who will defeat Cell My Allies Twisted metal head on. remember if cell teleport than then they can go to invisibility too.Cell don't stand a chance at Towertooth. Towertooth health goes down slowly. 5 twisters,5 Mr Slam,2 Cousin Eddy,5Grasshopper,5 Roadkill,1,Darktooth,5 Spectre and Towertooth, UPGRADE IS POSSIBLE TO DO MORE DAMAGE.
My theory is that goku had a Plan and he knew that he was stronger than cell but he wanted to test cell to see if he’s stronger or weaker than Gohan. I believe that’s one of the reasons why he gave cause he noticed cell is weaker than Gohan
No cell was stronger
are there really some idiots tht think goku had a chance against cell lol
If that was the case goku wouldn't have struggled against the cell jrs
Right that's why cell told Goku to eat a senzu
@@juanrivera9615 cell is stronger than goku but goku was struggling against the cell jrs because he was tired, remember he didn’t take a sensu bean
From the very start of this saga,Goku had wanted to pass on the mantle to Gohan. He prioritizes Gohan's growth over his own inside the time chamber. After "one day" he sees Cell & knows he can't beat him,Korin confirms this but Goku still doesn't train. Then the fight proves Goku can't beat Cell. Goku knew he'll lose but his whole idea was to show Gohan,the inexperienced fighter how Cell fights & what all tricks he has up his sleeve. Thus,he would've always wanted to surrender after pushing himself towards a certain point. It was all a part of the plan & Goku had realized how much stronger Gohan had gotten.
I don’t think he was a bad father there was a moment in the chamber when Goku ascended to Super Sayian grade level and while he was powering up Gohan: “wow dad look at your power you can defeat cell” something like that and Goku response was “these muscles will only slow me down” this I think Cell hasn’t completed his final form bc Goku visited Cell to measure him up. My two thoughts are; 1) Goku probably did get to ssj 2 maybe while gohan was sleeping and him training on his own. 2). Goku did see Gohan power from his anger and burst as a small child. Goku wasn’t a cowered or bad father. The main reason is simple he wanted his son to be the one to defeat cell. I honestly don’t believe his speech saying “Cell I quit your much more powerful than I am” something along those lines. In poker terms Goku bluffs I mean it pushed vegeta to turn to babidi. He lied about learn ssj3 to vegeta he found out in other world. The reason is he wanted his son to save the earth now when Gohan sayian pride took over Goku did tell him to finish Cell. Cell self destruct Goku realized he made an error then had to instant transmission Cell out of there not know of his regeneration of his whole cells.
Old video so I can’t remember what was said, but I don’t think I ever called him a bad dad. In fact, this video is about why he’s a good one.
@@InnovativeJdawg I was giving my opinion on those that say why he gave up to cell and call him a bad father. Meaning why he gave up. It was clearly stated in the chamber him reaching ascending pass Ssj same with Vegeta and Trunks which he went passed Goku in that form that he couldn’t beat cell in that form. Goku had to know with Gohan rage that he would go passsed ssj. Even in the buy saga Goku lied to Vegeta about obtained ssj3 which Vegeta stated he found out in other world about it when Goku tried to convince him to fuse. Never showed how Goku obtaining ssj2. We know he went beyond ssj in the chamber, but just ascended. The questionable decision he made by treating the Cell games like a tournament and not the state of the planet. Moments like when Goku desperately Kamahamaha from high then split Cell knowing Piccolo dna is in him. To me Goku didn’t looked pushed like with Vegeta and Frieza. He held himself back he pushed with training all we know he did obtained ssj2 in the chamber and lied to Gohan and the others. The writing probably wanted to pass the torch to Gohan. All I was saying.
When Goku Got Stronger Cell Got Stronger
Great video
Why is this a discussion? Thought it was pretty obvious.
You’d be surprised
Not everyone understands the same way.
Goku was literally resorting to Vegeta's move. It was over
because Goku had to wait for the game devs to expand the level cap and Gohan was the only one who could find the limit breaking glitches
The cell saga was weird like goku used instant transmission Kamehameha on cell, and I don't think nameks can regrow the chest and head, like I don't know how gohan killed cell if he could just regenerate, like why didn't goku just teleport cell to a distant planet then teleport back, and goku did the most retarded move giving cell a senzu bean and cell was heavily damaged?
Cell can regenerate as long as there's a single cell within his body that still exists. It's kinda weird and only came up WHEN Goku blew him up, but that's basically the explanation, so Gohan managed to destroy every single cell in his body when killing him. Again, I too think it's a bit weird, but it is what it is.
@@InnovativeJdawg That makes no sense tho since his regeneration ability stems from piccolos which doesn’t work like that at all, Hate to say it but its just poor writing no excuses.
Cell wasn’t heavily damaged
@@kjo2130 Yeah he was hurt pretty bad from that instant Kamehameha even goku says he was, until goku gave him a senzu bean because of saiyan honor and he knew gohan would win in the end, like I bet goku would've beat him if he took the senzu bean, I don't understand why they even let him absorb android 18 and 17 trunks should have just killed them then cell would have been fucked they could've easily prevented cell from even reaching perfect cell, like even super vegeta was tearing apart 2nd form cell, like gohan most likely would have beat cell without having to go ss2.
@@trunks9933 I disagree. Cell would’ve simply went full power & ended Goku after he took the senzu bean. Plus cell is the one who suggests that Goku eat a senzu, completely toying with & disrespecting Goku, which is when Goku gives up.
As big as a fan of goku I am he was simply outclassed If cell wasn't trying and was getting the best of goku imagine if he went full power cell would wipe the floor with goku easy and cell never trained he literally sat in the ring for days when goku was in the time chamber cell was a savage
So why did Goku ask for a senzu bean when Gohan was getting beat up if he knew he couldn't beat cell
Are you referring to the Senzu Bean he threw at Cell? If so, that was before Gohan’s fight even began. He gave Cell the senzu to give Gohan a fair fight, something he himself would have wanted.
@@InnovativeJdawg no I'm saying Gohan was getting beat up bad an piccolo was like Goku he not ready etc so them Goku was like ok hurry up give me a senzu bean but cell intervene an was like nope
Gohan refused to fight and will get killed.
@@lorenzowebster8929 He had no other choice. They would all probably fight Cell together. Maybe in his mind he and Gohan together might have a chance against Cell.
he was desperate, he understood(thx to piccolo) gohan would die before snapping so he tries to save him.
PS: Cell would kill them all even if they went at him togheter anyway. If gohan did not fight that is.
Goku prioritized Gohans growth over his own on the time chamber. I think with more training he could have figured out how to go ssj2 but this was supposed to be Gohans time and the passing of the torch from Goku
Well it depends how long it took goku to turn ssj2 in the afterworld, if he never saw gohan transform it may have taken him and vegeta longer to figure it out during the timeskip.
To be honest Goku still recovering from the heart virus.
Crazy ssj1 Gohan wasn't even getting hurt really...boy if he had a killer mind set he would have beaten cell in ssj1 possibly
That should be another video idea. I think rage boosted ssj1 could do some serious damage to cell.
@@12SharpShooter he was the strongest even before getting 2. Cell was holding back but if he could do what goku did and surprise cell maybe he would win.
Who the hell thought *Goku* was a coward? I thought it was clear why he gave up honestly...
Edit: Nice vid but I could've sworn everything you said was pretty obvious. Thanks for telling people and great vid
You’d be surprised.
Goku gave up confidently, he didnt run away. Its dumb people think this.
@@InnovativeJdawg lmao please point me in their direction
Here is one weird factor! Pikon was able to easily manhandle Perfect Cell in the afterlife world. But had a very close to a draw match in a tournament with Goku. Goku was known to hold back his powers and that is why Cell was frustrated with Goku for withdrawing because he knew that Goku had a lot more to offer. Anyhow that is my theory only Akira Toryama knew the real reason.
Toriyama had nothing to do with Pikkon. Nothing in that otherworld arc was canon it was all filler. And my headcanon thinks that villains in the otherworld are weaker dead than alive.
@@Mr.PR2000 Then why was Majin Buu able to easily defeat everyone in the outer world. He was a villain! Why was Frieza able to help Goku kill off Jiren. Well whatever reason DragonBall Z and Super was awesome
@@allanb1743 Like i said anything that had to do with otherworld is non canon. Are do you believe Yamcha is on Perfect Cell level becuase he beat olibu?
@@Mr.PR2000 Like I said Whatever Dragonball Z and Super is awesome. Bottom line I still believe Goku could have defeated Perfect Cell if he had focused on training himself then his son. Anyhow it is all fictional and entertaining.
Not the same canon and the afterlife gives a boost
You missed something. Goku said he couldn't get any stronger and that's why he didn't go back in the chamber. There for nothing after Cell makes sense. Cell was the end of the story.
So if Goku woulda went back in the time chamber for those 3 days he would’ve been way stronger so really we’ll never know if goku could beat him frfr
He probably could’ve been stronger, yeah, but there was a limit on how many days someone could go into the Time Chamber at the time. If I remember right.
For all the people saying goku is wrong for sending gohan to fight don’t get that saiyans are built to fight and back on the saiyans Planet before it was destroyed they sent there children to fight on different planets as training and to get experience so goku doing this is normal to him as he is a pure blooded saiyan
Goku knew of Gohan's real power and knew his son could beat him, Goku did not have the power to beat cell if he knew he could do it he would have kept fighting
Goku technically won the fight after the warp kamehameha, but cell could regenerate. That was unfair.
Regenerate is part of abilities. Like piccolo and deadpool regenerate. It’s not cheating
Alls fair in love and war.
@Steve Clarke wat u mean he no was no match for Vegeta ???
No he couldn’t have. Cell’s lower body had too much power in it. That is why Goku looked so worried even before the regeneration. Cell’s lower body did a nip up before regenerating, it had too much power still for Goku and could clearly kick about.
Goku simply wasn't strong enough to beat cell. His trump card was blasting all of his ki with the instant transmission point blank kamehameha. and it failed.
His trump card was actually Gohan. Everything Goku did was to get a feel for Cell’s power and to get in a good fight of his own.
Cell Basically A Robotic saiyan
akira toriyama was obviously too lazy to draw.... and instead of everyone ganging up on him, he just decided on a crappy 1v1 fight
Giving Cell a Magic bean is very STUPID IDEA. In the battle against KID BUU, Goku even allowed Vegeta and Fat Buu to fight Buu like a 3PLE TAG TEAM vs KID BUU. So with Cell why Allow Cell to Recover against Gohan?! Pretty STUPID IDEA and BAD WRITTING!
It was out of character, the goku I know would die fighting than give up like a coward
you forgot it was a tournament, he wants to fight, not to die. He fought, had his fill and then stept down cause he had no chance.
I wonder how gohan got so strong. As he was much weaker than, Picoolo, Trunks, Vegeta, and Goku before the room of spirit of time. He couldn’t even turn super saiyan and he then was strongest in the group.
Gohan was always strong enough to go super saiyan even as far back as the frieza saga. He just lacked the proper motivation
@@126644 idk about the frieze saga but still, man went from like the strongest earthlings to being stronger than Goku
@@spider-man120 Because Gohan is a half Saiyan. Half Saiyans have more potential than a full blooded Saiyan.
because goku not turned ssj2
Guko is more of power than cell but his hidden in to gohan
@@taigashirogani5560 goku wasn’t stronger than cell gohan was the strongest saiyan during the cell games
For me Goku not pushing enough to beat Perfect Cell was just a BAD WRITTING from the writters of DBZ. Such a LAME and LOUSY WRITTING!
No He gave up so Gohan could know how Cell fights. Also what if Goku used the spice bomb to defeat perfect Cell. Also I would rather have Goku keep fighting Cell intensely like Goku vs Frieza in the namek arc. The cell and buu saga are ok sagas but they could've been better in my opinion. I mean in those 2 sagas Goku was trying to make his kids who aren't even teens yet to fight powerful enemies. LIKE REALLY GOKU?!!! THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE THESE 2 SAGAS BECAUSE THEY PORTRAY GOKU AS SOMEONE WHO WOULD RISK THE LIFE OF HIS CHILDHOOD AGAISNT POWERFUL ENEMIES SO THAT THEY COULD BE THE PROTECTORS. Awww.. Its just bad writing in my opinion.
From that perspective, I'd say you're right. Morally, his decision to let Gohan fight Cell made no sense whatsoever. Why would you throw your own son into the fight like that at such a young age? Well, this video literally explains the entirety so I don't want to recap it. It's obvious Goku did not want to get his son hurt nor did he want his son to be the hero, as mentioned. This video is just amazing overall in explaining everything and your argument makes sense morally, but not when the entire fate of the universe is at stake. I would much rather have it this way then another "5 minutes" from the Frieza saga. I think this final fight is a lot better written and makes sense than Frieza's and Goku's long-ass slugfest.
@@LukaPumka Ok but Goku could've been smarter with his decision though. I also think it would've been better if Goku, Piccolo, and Gohan trained in the Rosat together for the 1 year. I think it would make their bond and character development grow more.
@@LukaPumka Plus if it's the fate of the universe why would Goku give Cell a senzu bean just to give Gohan the satisfaction of defeating Cell. Like Cell could've destroyed the earth by then.
@@aadenturnbull1332 He didnt though. He literally has saiyan cells inside of him looking for a fight so he allowed it. His intention with the Cell Games was to create a tournament where he gets to test his perfect form. This is an anime, not real life. Not all actions have to make sense morally. This entire video literally debunks every one of your arguments lmao.
Yeah he didn't but thats because Goku told Cell about Gohan. Cell literally said that if Goku gave up and he had no one else to fight he would destroy the earth. Like he was very serious about it. Also the video doesn't really debunk all my arguments you're just saying it's good writing and all because you like the cell saga.
The show tells you why
If it did, people wouldn’t be confused. It’s only implied and most people are able to pick it up if they pay attention.
@InnovativeJdawg goku says he couldn't beat cell and Gohan was the only one who could that's why he switched him in and piccolo yells " he doesn't like fighting like you do" and goku has a " damn I fucked up" look on his face
Goku was gonna get a senzu bean from Krillin and go out there and kick Cell's ass then Cell took the beans!
Cell allows Goku to take the senzu bean to fight again. This shows Cell has so much power left over Goku.
The fight will last only as long as Cell wants.
I think that Goku knew that he could defeat Cell, but he was more interested in seeing his son's full potential and the results of his training. In my opinion, this is why Goku gave the senzu bean to Cell, only to test Gohan's capabilities. There's no way Goku would've done that for Cell if he saw him as a real threat.
Bruh he didn't see cell as a threat to gohan
Nope. You are wrong about the first Part. Goku knew all along that he cannot beat Cell. No matter how much training Goku will do, he will never be able to beat Cell and the proof is Vegeta who spends a lot more training than Goku and still he didn't get stronger to be able to surpass perfect cell. In Goku vs Cell fight in Cell games, Cell is just holding back against Goku. Goku knew Gohan had the potential in beating Cell that is why he focuses on training Gohan rather than his own training.
You just told what the anime told
The anime doesn't spell it out to the audience, which is why many people don't look at this event correctly.
@@InnovativeJdawg that's exactly why I looked it up and found this video, thank you.
@@InnovativeJdawg or my friend you are the one who don't look it correctly that goku was in fact stronger than cell and gohan
and here we have an example of a dumbass 2 years ago
@@friezaimperfect7274 you couldn't even prove that even if you wanted to lmfaoo
The statement "Goku had the power to defeat cell" is backed up going into the Other world tournament, where he and Pikon were sent to deal with Cell and Frieza in hell. This is literally a day after both Cell and Goku had died so their power was the same as when they were alive, not to mention this was cell's "Perfect Perfect From" and Pikon comes in a swats cell like a fly and instantly overpowers them in hell. Not to long after that Pikon and Goku are in the other world tournament going back and forth with blow after blow eventually ending with goku winning due to a ring out on Pikon (then BS defaults the win to the grand kia)
I don't think that was canon?
@@sussybakaneko9138 all filler is canon, Kai skipped over all the good stuff and the manga is for nerds 🙏🏻🥰
@@BenHallow These villians are restrained by a jail cell. And iirc all pikkon did was kick cell into jail. It doesn't make any sense and that's why it's filler.