I feel like how you worded it helped better explain why I was a little perturbed by this mv. I felt like they weren’t treating the topic with the seriousness it needed and made it a quirky thing but how you explained it as it not showing the members being negatively affected by mental illness explained why I felt like it was being used as an aesthetic and not a serious representation. I think if the mv authentically showed the struggles of mental illness it would be better and it would help reduce stigma. But using it as an mv concept without addressing mental health authentically gives off the vibe that the mv is romanticizing mental illness. Edit: I was just thinking, it’s a huge missed opportunity that they didn’t address mental health in a serious way with the theme of the relationship between fans and idols. We know how being in the public eye and receiving hate can affect idols’ mental health, I think showing something more real in the mv would drive the point home about how badly hate can affect idols. It would be better than the after credits scene at least.
Ditto is an incredible music video that hits close to home. One thing i like about creative production is that you can interpret the stories in many different ways. That 6th girl formed an unhealthy obsession with new jeans, so much so she can't focus on herself and thinks they are with her. When she is with that boy, she finally lets go of the figments of imagination. She finally is kicked to reality. This can apply to many kpop Stans who resort to kpop for comfort but in doing so, they lose themselves. This can resort to anyone going through loneliness. Did y'all know, when i was lonely (still am), i hugged the clothes in my closet for comfort? Ya, loneliness can hurt and new jeans does a great job in describing the heart throbbing feelings of youth as well as heart wrecking ones.
As a therapist I was very uncomfortable with the depiction of mental illness in the music video. Romanticising mental illness has been an issue in western music, but this is one of the first instances in kpop (the only other that comes to mind is Maria by Hwasa with her in the straight jacket, but that's not bad). The fact they are implying someone who has opposing opinion to the New Jeans team is mentally unstable is bad enough as is, but also "yes I'm in love so I am insane look how cute" are both so bad
@@ratthew802 I am allowed to mention why the topic got close to me personally which is my experience as a therapist seeing people suffering daily. As for mentioning Hwasa, I didn't mention her as hate or anything. She's a very talented singer. I only mentioned her cause that's the only other instance I know of within kpop that mental health was in any way shown in a MV. Anyway, no need to get defensive. I just gave my opinion and thoughts on the opinion and thoughts worded in this video. There's nothing wrong with that
@@oOOOo33-q5q I'm not "trying to cancel new jeans", the girls are talented and though the kpop industry is very harmful for kids to grow up in, they are doing great and I hope they'll do well. However, their COMPANY should do better. I'll gladly talk about any company that is portraying mental illness as a quirky personality trait and how problematic it is to do so. That's not "trying to cancel" the group, it's holding the company who are doing harm by coming up with these things accountable for their decisions
I agree for the most part, but I'm not quite sure if I'm with you on "they are comparing mental illness with falling in love". Sure, the lyrics mention falling in love, but everything else about the MV points to them having an identity crisis for being an idol (making them crazy and delusional). I genuinely believe that's what this is all about. The director even mentions this in an interview. But nonetheless, most of what you said still stands. I can see how the MV can become a little too insensitive for some people, and I totally understand that. But being quirky with this concept isn't even that bad of an idea. I think it can be done, and it even fits the "brightness" (lack of a better term) of being an idol. But them dancing as psych ward patients?? Yeah maybe a little too much. I think if they just changed a few things here and there, this MV would've been a banger. (It still is, but not for some people)
The end was what made a lot of people uncomfortable: The people fail to see that the members are themselves in the hospital, where they are all suffering from the same problem of forcing to be someone else or matching the expectations of others. She came to take her there because Netizen are the one who are forcing them or want them to behave a certain way. In the MV you can see the real doctor also for a moment is shown as a patient where he see himself in other profession. May be by coming with minji she can see that she is also put in the same societal standard as others. In short they are not so different and should come and see the other side also. And it's mainly talking about idols metal health. They just pointed out most common thing an idol go through mentally. Whenever I see people saying it's not an honest representation, what do you want them to do tie them to a chair and show them getting shocks? The director just picked 1 of the problem and tried to show the best he could in a 6 min video, as an Mv has a wider audience and they have to cater to both the audience and the fans. I am not a big fan of NJ, but it's says a lot about an mv when bot gen pop and the fans can relate to the mv
I think you should watch the omg explanation video on doyouram channel (korean channel but has engsub). the explanation is based on director's guideline on how to interpret the mv. that way you could understand the director's intent of OMG video. once you watched it, it makes sense and I can understand what he meant with it
I am sorry but people that try to put too much of meaning according to what they feel are annoying.. anyways, art should be interpreted how anyone wants it to.. I didn't read so much meaning into the mv, and even if I did I wouldn't be anything bad.. cos I don't even see how it was done in bad taste..
i don’t understand your comment, you said art should be interpreted however anyone wants it then you say people who put meaning into an mv or song based on how they feel (ie how they interpreted) are annoying… aren’t you contradicting yourself?? yeah everyone will have a different opinion because art is subjective and will mean different things to different people and make people feel different things
@@sur_un_nuage It sounds contradicting but just because you interpret art a certain way, does not mean you're right or the other person is right and someone else can find it annoying too.. I guess that's how the media works..
@@odageoyama5172 definitely not necessarily right but everything has meaning either intentionally or not, nothing annoying about finding meaning in something be it right or not, and an opinion can never be universally agreed on
this always happen. some don't analyze at all and some overanalyze. until you get an official opinion or a newjeans member explain the entire concept , they are all just speculations. (good or bad, depending what fits everyone's narrative).
i would’ve really preferred if they kept going with the parasocial relationships concept like maybe the main character from ditto going to therapy and actually having her go through therapy and working through it
It’s like not only did they make mental health and psych wards an aesthetic, but they specifically used *psychosis*. One of the most misunderstood and stereotyped mental health conditions by the general public. Psychosis is NOT quirky. It’s real, and it’s serious, and the people who have experienced this condition deserve better. So sorry, but this MV goes in the exact same category of media that portrays people with schizophrenia as violent killers.
I think OMG video would have been more suitable for any other song, like if they were talking about their struggles or whatnot cuz these "illnesses" were very relatable for idols, like, Hanni: Becoming a robot, only existing for the fans' pleasure Hyein: Celebrity disease Haerin: Losing yourself trying to fit into what others see you as Minji: Trying to be the 'leader' and helping them out when she herself has problems Danielle: The cameras are always watching, so a kind of paranoia . OMG was not the kind of song suited for THIS mv. Its like tamping their very real struggles down into some 'cool aesthetic'
I also didn't like the concept of the MV, just as someone who has anxiety i feel this was done in poor taste to glamour mental health because a lot of people talk about how the MV has cinematic shots. When we should be focusing on is this something that should have been done/even thought of in the first place.
I didn't get uncomfortable watching the entire OMG MV but....I could see why some will get uncomfortable. I've seen so many weird and out of place concepts in a music videos. I watched Bibi's Animal Farm Music video. It's very gruesome and it's expected not everyone will love it. The song is way more chill than the MV but I was still amazed how she pulled it off. I honeslty see it as an art. Maybe that's why I wasn't too bothered by OMG MV but as a person who is also struggling mentally, anything related to mental health shouldn't be taken lightly. I actually felt a little bit off by the choreo part where they are dancing in their white robes. It's basically portraying some of mentally ill people in the mental hospital. That's the only thing that bothered me.
I feel like the end of the music video of omg is so smart bcs just like you said in the video you felt uncomfortable with watching it and so did other people, it’s almost like they knew this wouldn’t go so easy on some people Bcs yes they could just show their face and dance but is it really all they want to be? P.S: I think that to say it’s lore mocking ppl is sooooo far fetched I feel like ppl are looking for stuff at this point
Fyi, this both ditto and omg mv scripted&directed by mr. shin himself, not min hee jin. I know she has a rumor w some issues, but don’t project all the concepts and theories to be biased. You can search about his interview in Melon megazine.
I feel like how you worded it helped better explain why I was a little perturbed by this mv. I felt like they weren’t treating the topic with the seriousness it needed and made it a quirky thing but how you explained it as it not showing the members being negatively affected by mental illness explained why I felt like it was being used as an aesthetic and not a serious representation. I think if the mv authentically showed the struggles of mental illness it would be better and it would help reduce stigma. But using it as an mv concept without addressing mental health authentically gives off the vibe that the mv is romanticizing mental illness.
Edit: I was just thinking, it’s a huge missed opportunity that they didn’t address mental health in a serious way with the theme of the relationship between fans and idols. We know how being in the public eye and receiving hate can affect idols’ mental health, I think showing something more real in the mv would drive the point home about how badly hate can affect idols. It would be better than the after credits scene at least.
Ditto is an incredible music video that hits close to home. One thing i like about creative production is that you can interpret the stories in many different ways. That 6th girl formed an unhealthy obsession with new jeans, so much so she can't focus on herself and thinks they are with her. When she is with that boy, she finally lets go of the figments of imagination. She finally is kicked to reality. This can apply to many kpop Stans who resort to kpop for comfort but in doing so, they lose themselves. This can resort to anyone going through loneliness. Did y'all know, when i was lonely (still am), i hugged the clothes in my closet for comfort? Ya, loneliness can hurt and new jeans does a great job in describing the heart throbbing feelings of youth as well as heart wrecking ones.
As a therapist I was very uncomfortable with the depiction of mental illness in the music video. Romanticising mental illness has been an issue in western music, but this is one of the first instances in kpop (the only other that comes to mind is Maria by Hwasa with her in the straight jacket, but that's not bad).
The fact they are implying someone who has opposing opinion to the New Jeans team is mentally unstable is bad enough as is, but also "yes I'm in love so I am insane look how cute" are both so bad
Girl take your "as a therapist" bs outta here. It's entertainment not a psychology class. Dying at the chance to mention Hwasa as well I see
@@ratthew802 I am allowed to mention why the topic got close to me personally which is my experience as a therapist seeing people suffering daily.
As for mentioning Hwasa, I didn't mention her as hate or anything. She's a very talented singer. I only mentioned her cause that's the only other instance I know of within kpop that mental health was in any way shown in a MV.
Anyway, no need to get defensive. I just gave my opinion and thoughts on the opinion and thoughts worded in this video. There's nothing wrong with that
Stop trying to cancel NewJeans please.
@@oOOOo33-q5q I'm not "trying to cancel new jeans", the girls are talented and though the kpop industry is very harmful for kids to grow up in, they are doing great and I hope they'll do well. However, their COMPANY should do better. I'll gladly talk about any company that is portraying mental illness as a quirky personality trait and how problematic it is to do so. That's not "trying to cancel" the group, it's holding the company who are doing harm by coming up with these things accountable for their decisions
@@Thil Excuses, excuses...😑
I agree for the most part, but I'm not quite sure if I'm with you on "they are comparing mental illness with falling in love". Sure, the lyrics mention falling in love, but everything else about the MV points to them having an identity crisis for being an idol (making them crazy and delusional). I genuinely believe that's what this is all about. The director even mentions this in an interview.
But nonetheless, most of what you said still stands. I can see how the MV can become a little too insensitive for some people, and I totally understand that. But being quirky with this concept isn't even that bad of an idea. I think it can be done, and it even fits the "brightness" (lack of a better term) of being an idol. But them dancing as psych ward patients?? Yeah maybe a little too much. I think if they just changed a few things here and there, this MV would've been a banger. (It still is, but not for some people)
ahh thank you so much for pointing that out
The end was what made a lot of people uncomfortable:
The people fail to see that the members are themselves in the hospital, where they are all suffering from the same problem of forcing to be someone else or matching the expectations of others. She came to take her there because Netizen are the one who are forcing them or want them to behave a certain way.
In the MV you can see the real doctor also for a moment is shown as a patient where he see himself in other profession. May be by coming with minji she can see that she is also put in the same societal standard as others. In short they are not so different and should come and see the other side also.
And it's mainly talking about idols metal health. They just pointed out most common thing an idol go through mentally.
Whenever I see people saying it's not an honest representation, what do you want them to do tie them to a chair and show them getting shocks? The director just picked 1 of the problem and tried to show the best he could in a 6 min video, as an Mv has a wider audience and they have to cater to both the audience and the fans. I am not a big fan of NJ, but it's says a lot about an mv when bot gen pop and the fans can relate to the mv
I think you should watch the omg explanation video on doyouram channel (korean channel but has engsub). the explanation is based on director's guideline on how to interpret the mv. that way you could understand the director's intent of OMG video. once you watched it, it makes sense and I can understand what he meant with it
I am sorry but people that try to put too much of meaning according to what they feel are annoying.. anyways, art should be interpreted how anyone wants it to.. I didn't read so much meaning into the mv, and even if I did I wouldn't be anything bad.. cos I don't even see how it was done in bad taste..
i don’t understand your comment, you said art should be interpreted however anyone wants it then you say people who put meaning into an mv or song based on how they feel (ie how they interpreted) are annoying… aren’t you contradicting yourself?? yeah everyone will have a different opinion because art is subjective and will mean different things to different people and make people feel different things
@@sur_un_nuage It sounds contradicting but just because you interpret art a certain way, does not mean you're right or the other person is right and someone else can find it annoying too.. I guess that's how the media works..
@@odageoyama5172 definitely not necessarily right but everything has meaning either intentionally or not, nothing annoying about finding meaning in something be it right or not, and an opinion can never be universally agreed on
@@sur_un_nuage some people's meaning can be annoying.. it's fine if you don't agree
@@odageoyama5172 yeah it’s fine i was just confused by your first comment but i get what you mean
I was kinda hoping you'd talk about the seperate youtube channel made for the 6th girl from ditto which has the footage she took of new jeans
this always happen. some don't analyze at all and some overanalyze. until you get an official opinion or a newjeans member explain the entire concept , they are all just speculations. (good or bad, depending what fits everyone's narrative).
i would’ve really preferred if they kept going with the parasocial relationships concept like maybe the main character from ditto going to therapy and actually having her go through therapy and working through it
I do like the song but the mv is questionable.
It’s like not only did they make mental health and psych wards an aesthetic, but they specifically used *psychosis*. One of the most misunderstood and stereotyped mental health conditions by the general public. Psychosis is NOT quirky. It’s real, and it’s serious, and the people who have experienced this condition deserve better. So sorry, but this MV goes in the exact same category of media that portrays people with schizophrenia as violent killers.
I think OMG video would have been more suitable for any other song, like if they were talking about their struggles or whatnot cuz these "illnesses" were very relatable for idols, like,
Hanni: Becoming a robot, only existing for the fans' pleasure
Hyein: Celebrity disease
Haerin: Losing yourself trying to fit into what others see you as
Minji: Trying to be the 'leader' and helping them out when she herself has problems
Danielle: The cameras are always watching, so a kind of paranoia .
OMG was not the kind of song suited for THIS mv. Its like tamping their very real struggles down into some 'cool aesthetic'
girl you are so well spoken!! i love your essay-like videos so much
I also didn't like the concept of the MV, just as someone who has anxiety i feel this was done in poor taste to glamour mental health because a lot of people talk about how the MV has cinematic shots. When we should be focusing on is this something that should have been done/even thought of in the first place.
literally how , they just dancing and acting
I didn't get uncomfortable watching the entire OMG MV but....I could see why some will get uncomfortable. I've seen so many weird and out of place concepts in a music videos. I watched Bibi's Animal Farm Music video. It's very gruesome and it's expected not everyone will love it. The song is way more chill than the MV but I was still amazed how she pulled it off. I honeslty see it as an art. Maybe that's why I wasn't too bothered by OMG MV but as a person who is also struggling mentally, anything related to mental health shouldn't be taken lightly. I actually felt a little bit off by the choreo part where they are dancing in their white robes. It's basically portraying some of mentally ill people in the mental hospital. That's the only thing that bothered me.
I feel like the end of the music video of omg is so smart bcs just like you said in the video you felt uncomfortable with watching it and so did other people, it’s almost like they knew this wouldn’t go so easy on some people
Bcs yes they could just show their face and dance but is it really all they want to be?
P.S: I think that to say it’s lore mocking ppl is sooooo far fetched I feel like ppl are looking for stuff at this point
Y’all are never happy with anything
Why are they dressed up as bunnies in a psyc ward acting all cute and all
Fyi, this both ditto and omg mv scripted&directed by mr. shin himself, not min hee jin. I know she has a rumor w some issues, but don’t project all the concepts and theories to be biased. You can search about his interview in Melon megazine.