How Does King Crimson Work?
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- Опубликовано: 1 сен 2020
- Delving into the abilities of King Crimson.
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Sorry to Katelin your name got cut off at the end.
I am really curious about who your favorite character is...
Hamon Beat what would you think would happen if king crimson didn’t have epitaph, do you think it would be used more like the world
@@heyimhereonyt that is a really good question
Obligatory King Crimson Time Erase joke
Hamon Beat Now the only doubt I have left about King Krimson is why the fortune teller alley was empty and clean after the skip, after the kid sees him. In the deleted time Diavolo cleaned up the scene and hid the objects and the body ?
Easy, King Crimson erases the time when a JoJo fan reads important details in the manga, making them forget the knowledge they just read.
Lmfao yesssss
Yes
What kind of enemy are we dealing with
that loterally summed up the whole thing. No wonder i couldn't understand Anasui ezplaining kenzo's stand ability
Correct
King Crimson is like that one laggy guy in a match who just teleports everywhere and you suddenly die without being able to hit or see them
I said the EXACT same thing to my friend. Such an accurate analogy.
so alex yep
We have the same picture
More like the guy that uses cl_interp 5 to appear laggy when he is not and be able to kill people when they are already gone
From the victim's perspective perhaps, though from the user's perspective, your example would be more akin to time stop.
Part 5 really needed a moment where a character (maybe mista or narancia) is like "how does KC work" and then giorno explains it with helpful diagrams on the screen, but instead they were all like "KC erases time" and they all were like "I understand completely" because they are all such chads of abstract thinking
To be fair, from an outside perspective, it does look like King Crimson's power is just skipping time. It's only from Diavolo's perspective that we see what actually happens.
@@Felnal regardless of whether it makes sense in-story, I think most people would enjoy KC's scenes more if they understood what was going on.
Yea honestly, some stand abilities are a bit confusing, maybe we don't need a whole scene where a character ask "what is that?" But at least one of those monologs that characters have while they fight.
@@Felnal tbf its not like araki isn't keen on giving us clear explanations on less complicated abilities before, when it was needed
it even added some character in those moments, like kira being able to predict where an air bubble bomb is through math
@@alexjustalexyt1144 isn't that what literally happened when Diavolo impaled Bruno? He not only shows but also explains his ability to the audience. I mean, tbf he didn't explained in excruciating details revolving the course of fate itself but I think if he explained it even further people would complain the anime is monologuing to explain what's literally happening on screen like they do with the Speedwagon scenes
"fate itself lifts the rock because the rock's fate is to be lifted"
that really is bizarre
CRAZY NOISY BIZARRE TOWN!!!
YO ANGELO!🗿🗿
I see what you did there...
You should have bolded it like:
"fate itself lifts the rock because the rock's fate is to be lifted"
that really is *bizarre*
so where I don't fully get it I think what he means is. the rock was fated to be lifted. so even if the cause is removed doesn't mean the effect dispears. King Crimsons ability is even described this way. TO add a little more to this Idea. there's a movie called donie darko that deals with "the philosophy of time travel" and actual time travel. ther'es a scene where a character can see his projected path. he can see where he is going to go before he goes there. the problem is this scenes leads him into his parents bedroom where he discovers a gun. if he could not see fate how would have ended up seeing the gun? in this instance the CAUSE is his ability to see fate. the EFFECT is his finds his parents gun.
King crimson ability works in a similar way with one difference. It can free itself from fate. with the rock, trish, the made and rossoto. King crimson was fated to do all of these things. but because of his ability he can remove himself from the initial scene that causes the EFFECT. the effect still happens just without him . in donie darko despite the fact that the character in the movie can see fate. he is still controlled by it. and he can't change it. king crimson Can see fate and remove himself from it. even if he can't remove the effects.
Fun fact: Even thought King Crimson technically only appears in part 5, his powers still activate in Stone Ocean every time a reader wants to rush to get to part 7
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King Crimson explained (Simplified) ruclips.net/video/-JiA_5Uu4Rc/видео.html
@@firstname8044 you bastard
@@firstname8044 temeh...
Tampon Ocean.
King Crimson’s facial expressions look like what I imagine when I hear the words ‘physically angry’.
That is so true
Pretty much
I always joke its the face someone makes when they get caught doing something bad or embarrassing. Which fits the character i suppose
He looks hella constipated
@@goofygoob420 ur not wrong lmao
I GET IT NOW, He knows what he would do throught fate and then cuts himself out of those fated moments so things happen without his interaction. This is so cool and deep. Araki you beatiful bastard
yeah, it's like ripping out the pages of a book, it's not like things on the next page are gonna magically rearrange if you tear something out, it's all predetermined.
It's a very cool power for sure...but idk this is one of those things that seems too broken in my opinion. Dio's time stop was pretty OP too but King Crimson comparatively just takes that and goes to the damn moon.
@@d0minican0milan0 ger literally has Ctrl-z 💀 , and that's why we never get to see giorno ever again
This is why i love araki
@@d0minican0milan0 if you think that's ridiculously OP just wait until you meet Wonder of U
My favorite description of KC is that it “removes the cause from the effect”, and the reason that GER counters it so perfectly is that GER removes the effect from the cause.
this implies that the two together cause literally nothing to happen, while GER on its own would enable actions like hitting a ball with a bat and it just. Not flying away due to the force of the bat
which i guess is a possibility... honestly the way it's presented, GER _looks_ like it reverses time, but maybe that's because it's undoing time erase
@@zoeyuroboros5739 it certainly kind of does look like it just reverses time since its actual ability pertains to making it so that whatever you did - whatever you resolved yourself to do - is simply undone. Meaning that, yea, it looked like it reversed time because it technically did since it undid KC's time skip.
I mean its pretty simple when GER is present: It doesn't.
So... when GER is around, KC's timeskip causes a time stop?
@@samuelevans738 y e s
Maybe?
@@greenman784Basically if KC stops the time, GER cancels the action until KC comes back to the moment it stopped the time, without the time stopping (which is why GER was able to demolish KC before it activated its abillity).
Here you go mate.
@@sirrichard5418 .
I don't fucking understand anything am I braindead im gonna take an IQ test real quick
GER can basically move you back to the moment you were gonna do it
However unlike diavolo making people unconsious, GER doesn’t affect there consciousness at all, and since that’s happening to the outside viewer it just looks like they are being reversed over an over again
So in short...
Fate: You'll have to do this
Diavlo: I don't think I will
Fate: Fine, I'll do it myself
More like
Fate: Everyone has to do what I say!!!
Diavolo: Hey wait a minute, don't you owe me $20?
Fate: ah, there's been a mistake. This one guy is exempt.
It was painful doing this format of comment.
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The multiple examples certainly helped. He essentially can do things without actually having to do them since they are still fated to happen, and the not being able to interact with things is a byproduct of that. Explaining fate is also easier with the final arc of part four where Rohan still gets blown up even though he never encountered Bites the Dust because he was fated to blow up at that exact time, so fate just did it for Kira
That's a great point, never thought about how BTD and KC abilities are similar in a way that they both allow the user to manipulate the causality by letting an effect happen while the user is able to avoid having to cause it.
this is a better explanation than the video. do you mind if I copy and paste your comment, to other ppl that are confused?
@@lukyluk_py go for it
@@h4zrd-rs252 thank you
Oh man, that's a WONDERFUL example to help people wrap their minds around the concept. I never see anyone contesting the logic in that scene, even though it is the exact same kind of situation.
So King Crimson, which has A rank speed, is fated to completely clean up the hotel room in 10 seconds had it not been for his time skip ability. It’s quite amusing to think about the original fate, where that red bulky stand hurriedly picks up every documents and electronic device to throw them somewhere unseen, probably outside the window.
Ah yes, cause nothing like that happened before. Like could you imagine someone finding a road roller, lifting it up and crashing it on someone all in the span of a few seconds ? Crazy.
It’s simple. King crimson's ability is to
And that’s it.
Wait.... oh no
Please stop roleplaying in the reply section
KINGU CREAMSON
teleports behind you
Heh thats clever
this joke isnt funn- suddenly became a corpse
@@dankpotato8585 Who as- *Becomes a corpse as well*
I have found the bossu stand and identity now he’s afte.....
King Crimson is like ripping a page out of a book. The results and impacts of what happened are still there, but those events causing it were ripped. Epitaph is just looking at the next page. If you see something cool on the next page you can rip out the page before it
So KC'a power is to be able to let Araki take a day off from illustrating and just continue the story with a page left out? Hmm...seems convenient. ^_^
Wow that's a good metaphor.
Yeah for real, this is actually pretty helpful
Hey... You know that 'Epitaph' is actually one of the songs from King Crimson's 1st album? The song was only uploaded a few weeks ago. For years the songs from this album have been taken down, but now they're all on the official channel. Including 21st century Schizoid Man which Kanye West profited greatly from. There are better songs than this on the album. But good coincidence anyway.. Guess the writer of this Jojo thing, is a fan of the band.. ruclips.net/video/vXrpFxHfppI/видео.html
@@PEGGLORE Dude. Did you skip the past 4 parts? Every name in this series is a reference to Music. Like part 4's villain Kira Yoshikage. His stand and it's abilities are all reference to the rock band Queen.
One question I’ve always had is “Wouldn’t the other characters be fated to react to what Diavolo would’ve done during his time skip?” Especially during the elevator scene with Bucciarati and Trish holding hands. He would’ve definitely been fated to hear KC break the ceiling, see him cut off Trish’s arm, and chase him as she was being dragged away. However, he just stares off into space, not even looking at the hole KC came through (at least not immediately).
It’s honestly a fantastic question and a true araki forgot/poor writing. And for the examples where stretching is needed to explain KC, treating it like SP/TW (as you would with the reactions) completely answers the problem. This is just one of those very few instances of poor/inconsistent writing with araki.
You can definitely explain it with KC's incredible speed, his ability to determine the exact amount of time skipped AND that everyone forgets what happened during that time interval outside of Diavolo
For the Trish Scene, Diavolo would've only had to skip the moment where he enters the elevator and steals trish before Bruno opens a zipper down to keep up, once the Skip ends Bruno would been left dumb-founded with no memory of the event, and we actually see what might've been a result of that first skip in Trish's hand being left in his, Bruno might've held onto her in reaction to KC forcing Diavolo to cut off her hand so he can take her away (obviously just a theory since that scene is there to make Bruno shit himself mainly, but that's my interpretation)
For the Hotel Scene he just grabs everything and leaves, where once skipped time ends the Lady would've remembered nothing
For the Narancia scene, again all he had to do is skip the moment where he splits all the bars and a chucks narancia there, and again with how incredibly fast and powerful KC naturally is i don't doubt it being able to split the beams in one swipe and with one motion jam narancia there, with everyone focused on scouting for Diavolo i find it unlikely any of them would react fast enough to throw anything at Diavolo during the skipped time, once it ends again everyone is just standing there dumb-founded no idea what happened
I guess that can be explained with his power making everyone except him, experience memory loss of what happened in those 10 seconds.
During the time skip, anything goes
the characters react to what diavolo woudve done had he not used the skip/epitath abbility . Diavolo can basically escape the conseqences of his actions
The simplest explanation of King Crimson is given by Diavolo himself: “King Crimson erases actions, leaving only consequences.”
There’s more to the stand but that’ll make the rest easier to understand with this explanation.
But doesn't he erase only his actions? Because when he fights and skips time we can still see the other characters doing what they were going to do, they just won't remember doing such actions.
That is something and it goes further but my biggest problem with it is that he dodges teb attack during it and sometimes just has them pass through him like with narancia bullets of course the one where it passes through is the most logical because the pullets xyz position in 10 secojds will be when in contact with metalica and because that is the result they never where in the position where they made contact with kc yet he dodges attacks and mistakes bullets wich are not even stand ones wich poses a couple questions
@@co7769 yes.
@@co7769 the results of everyone's actions are still there: the cats do step giorno's clothes, narancios does steal the chocolate, giorno does pass fugo a bottle of water. Except that they don't, they didn't do any of those things because king crimson skipped time; only the results of their actions remain: there are marks on giorno's clothes, there's chocolate in narancia's mouth and there is a bottle of water in fugo's hand.
@@maestrofeli4259 they did all those thing, they just can't remember those actions and Diavolo gets invincibility frames during the time skip
Honestly the anime cleared up alot of misconceptions about his ability.
And if you still dont get it, your not paying attention.
Not really, it helps by showing to the people how it works while animated, but it doesn't merely "improve" the explanation, you don't even need the anime to get it.
At the start is a bit complicated to understand, like that extrange Bucciarati scene, but then you easy understand by only watching how he ises it.
David Productions is the right hand wingman of Araki
The 'it just works' meme originates from the manga but it should've died by now
So basically, the events that are fated to happen, WILL HAPPEN, King Crimson's main ability just allows Diavolo to remove himself from the fated events so he's not involved. Even if a situation happens because of him, if he skips it, he's not involved in the situation anymore but the situation still occurs because it's fated to happen and thus happened regardless. Diavolo isn't affecting things within the time skip, he's just moving away so he is not seen and the events destined to happen, happen. Diavolo can see what is going to happen within a short time span, use his time skip to position himself to a favorable position and remove himself from the destined situation that will still happen even in his absence. Makes sense to me, I think I was confused with the original explanation but this makes more sense. Narancia died because he was always going to die in that fashion, Diavolo just removed himself from the situation so no one realized his location but he only removed himself from the situation, everything else including Narancia's death still happened because it was always going to happen.
Exactly, and to strengthen your point some it’s all proven in The Rolling Stones arc.
Absolutely.
@@curatedbyit yeah mista breaking the stone, prolonging bucciarati's life but also sealing narancia's and abbachio's fate to die.
I think part of the misconception and lack of understanding comes from the constant meme of 'it ain't a main JoJo villain unless they fuck with time'.
Sure, The World and Killer Queen Bites The Dust do manipulate time, but King Crimson and Made in Heaven? Not exactly, or at least not just that. King Crimson can erase/skip time, and also manipulate fate. Made in Heaven doesn't simply 'fast-forward time'; it manipulates gravity to do so.
I understood everything... Except for one part. What's about constant "Blinding enemies with blood" thing? Diavolo several times in skipped time just spilled his blood from his own wound into, for example, Giorno's eyes. How? Is blood fated to get in their eyes and Diavolo just skips time, so they won't have time and reaction to avoid it? Or what? This still bugs me out.
(Also I ask you, because you seem to understand it better than me. Thanks in advance)
"Confusion will be my Epitaph" - King Crimson (the prog-rock band, not the Stand)
Quite fitting
exactly. finally a King Crimson comment
A King Crimson comment, or a King CRIMSON comment?
So you're saying Diavolo can insult someone and then erase the action of himself insulting that person and so that person will just feel insulted without him seemingly having done anything?
Only if the prediction he views is him insulting that person
Some people just want the world to burn
Im not sure but bc they forgot the insult they probably wont do the Twitter
yes, holy crap YES
Imagine you're Narancia in Giornio's body, and suddenly you just start floating upward and get final destinationed on some recently broken bars.
Except you don't even see yourself floathing
@@illuminatiiluminado4624 That just mean's our boy Narancia had a painless death though right?
@@MegaVirus700 probably
Why is this so funny to think about. Just narancia standing there and then he just fucking levitates and dies
Omfg "final destinationed" 😂
Once a friend of mine described it as “time stop but time keeps moving” and I hate how accurate it is
@r_spyder Eh It’s kinda close, a better way of saying it probably would be time continues but Diavolo diverges from it and and everyone forgets what happened while his divergence took place. He literally avoids fate which is way I never quite thought of it.
How much did all of those buzz saws cost?
@r_spyder
a bit, in the way that no one remembers what happens, and it’s the same as that except time keeps moving so everything happens as if it did during stopped time, except everyone can move but no one remembers it or has control over what they do
@r_spyder
I know how it works, but how it looks like it works is similar to time stop
@r_spyder
ok
King Crimson has to be the most terrifying Stand to date. Perhaps it's not as powerful as The World's time stop but it is so confusing to people who are not aware of his abilities, that it can possibly be even more effective. I also love the presentation of King Crimson's ability. The scenes are always very creative and they have the best sound design in my opinion.
ik this is late, but king crimson is better than the world: assuming both parties know each other's abilities, diavolo can use epitaph to predict dio's time stop and use time erase to completely avoid his actions in time stop. dio can't do anything about it. time erase isn't better than time stop by itself since it's just a competition of who uses their ability first, but paired with epitaph, dio would've been beaten up
@@ultra_xd that's a great observation. The ability to predict the future is so powerful that even Dio's time stop could easily be countered. You're absolutely right. King Crimson abilities are so OP, Araki had to invent this Requiem stuff to buff Gold Experience. Otherwise Diavolo would be unbeatable.
Lemme tell u something . first off : time stop stops time in the entire universe and even light speed cant do shit , so only inf rotations or gravity manipulators such as c moon
Secondly : how time erase works is that it resets the memory of the 10 future seconds except the user himsel + he can predict using epitah BUT like people thinks , when diavolo time erases he IS NOT on an other dimesion
Thridly : if both abilities start at the same time . dio would get confused on how diavolo has knives and a donut on his chest as he would have unconciously donuted diavolo in his time stop .
Fourth : the amount of time in time stop and ' time erase ' doesnt matter as time erase just erases the future 10s memory while time stop stops the flow of time so even if he ts 1h it would still be 0s in real life .
To make it short . dio time stop ability gives him the power to enter the 4th dimension and only infinite type energies like inf rotation or black holes or gravity manipulators can move . as for king crimson . just imagine u studying then u read a text for 10s and u already forgot what u learned in that 10s . so this is what happens:
Dio : Za Warudoo !!!
Diavolo : kingu crimson !
-----1s later -----
Dio : wait how is he dead ? I dont remember attacking him or anything
@@ionix831 wrong: diavolo is completely intangible during time erase. so no, if diavolo time erased, dio's time stop would be useless: diavolo wouldnt have been impaled by knives or donutted. dio wouldnt have even noticed that diavolo wasnt impaled, since he moves out in a set path fate chose for him.
it really isnt that deep, you dont need to think about it in dimensions. dio stops time and is able to wreak havoc during that stopped time, while diavolo skips time while making himself invincible during that skipped time.
For the Narancia death part, what happens after timeskip is instantaneous. There is no body slowly floating up. It’s as if you’re watching a video from 10:00-10:30 and it suddenly fast forwards 15 seconds. What would be left starts from 10:15.
With the addition of that beautiful timeskip effect of course.
Narancia does float up, that's the gravitational pull of fate. This is the case with a stand arrow, if someone is fated to use the arrow, it will move on its own. Also, he says it right here: 5:07
Diavolo: The Ultimate Part Skipper
That's why he suffered the worst fate.
Bruh
@@Alfenium Daaamn XDDDDDDD
A wild Natsuki appeared.
Nah, that would be some o' the fans.
I love that Doppio going from tiny teenage twink with a fringe to super yoked fishnet polka dot headed 40 year old and nobody blinks at that, but the concept of fate is more confusing apparently.
Exactly like how tf did happen
Ultimately people care about Stands fight, they're like puzzle games: they're entertaining but only as long as you understand the rules, this is why people want to understand them better.
Also just because people focus on one narrative destroying concept doesn't mean there aren't two or more :)
They say that he suffers of double personality syndrome but getting to the extreme where the other personality actually develops it's own physical characteristics, I might be wrong but I heard it has happened in real life or something, something about Germans being observed to have this kind of effect with this syndrome I guess
Doppio has a wig under that sweater, simple
@@RandomL0s3r so his muscles are a wig, got it.
This is easily the best explanation for the stand on youtube. Other videos try to hard to make jokes instead of just thoroughly explaining the ability that they just end up being more confusing than they should be. Thank you so much for this video
wow, he really is overpowered. If he attacks someone in the future and damages them, he can just skip that and they will receive damage out of nowhere.
It is very overpowered and scary. In fact, Narancia is dead because of this: Diavolo sees a future where he kills Narancia, and skips time to hide his action of killing him
So King Crimson is like when your editing a video, you can cut out parts you don’t want but the rest of the video is still there, and Epitaph is like watching a part of the video before everyone else
this is actually the best way to describe thanks. It can also be described as: King crimson wipes 10 seconds of time from existence. You don’t remember what happened because what you thought in those 10 seconds was wiped out of existence. It also slows people down so you can dodge and go behind them to attack and then resume time.
So in shortcut Epitaph-Predicting Future?
@@karolkrawiecki5368 yea pretty much
Basically
Basically fate is what your meant to do its not something controling you it something you want todo and when you use epitaph you see that you will kill bucciarati but then you decided you didnt want to do the work since fate is fate , fate has decided to do the work this only work when you use time erase when your meant to die use time erase then fate cant catch you anymore if your inside fate cannot harm you but if you are gonna something outside fate will carry it and basically giorno denies fate ;-;
Diavolo forgot to use Star Finger to kill Gold Experience Requiem lol
smh how could araki forget this
Why didn't Doppio use Death Note to kill Dio before Giorno was born? smh
Crimson Finger*
Why didn't gio just use golden experience finger smh
Yes yes
So if im to understand correctly:
Dio - pause button.
Kira - back skip button.
Diavolo - take out the DVD, take it to his computer, edit himself out of several frames then returns the DVD.
Dio boyfriend - fast-forward
President 4D - eject and put in a new DVD
💀💀 perfect
I believe a primary factor as to why people struggle with this ability (aside from reading comprehension) is the fact that the characters are not in believable positions after the time slip. Despite Trish being abducted from the elevator, Bucciarati remains in the position he would be in if nothing occurred. Surely the characters would still be fated to react to Diavolo’s actions within the timeskip, right? This applies to every other interaction with King Crimson, like the fortune teller and Narancia. The characters around the victim, or the victim themselves in the case of the fortune teller, would still have reacted to the situation during the timeskip. I think that’s the main hurdle people struggle to get over, since Araki is typically very consistent with the spatial aspects of abilities and how characters react to them.
Exactly
considering we do not see these specific fates happen we just have to assume somethings such as the events supposed to happen in the elevator happen so fast that bucciarati had no time to react and since he does not remember those events happening anyway the reaction he would have had is gone since there is no context to brew such a reaction. The other explination that could be how it works is that fate does not include a person's reaction to something diavolo did if he skipped time. Lets say diavolo was fated to steal an apple from a fruit seller, he skips time for the whole scene. The seller would have been fated to react to diavolo stealing the apple because he had seen it happen, but because time is skipped he does not remember diavolo ever doing such a thing and as such never catalyzes a reaction from the seller. Besides that diavolo is essentially non-existant during this time frame and even if the reactions were to happen anyway they would not see diavolo because he cannot physically interact with anything and I mean ANYTHING including light so he would be invisible. Of course this doesnt exclude the possibility he cant breathe either but since its 10 seconds does it even really matter?
@@fancymustache3793 So Buccellati had no time to react to the boss breaking the roof of the elevator, jumping in, cutting off Trish's hand, taking Trish in his arms and jumping out of the elevator through the hole in the roof? What an interesting fate
@@nothingwrong2293 Im not sure how fast King Crimson is as a stand (considering the stand stats are based on the ability and not the stand itself) but I think the way it works is by removing him from the process that is removing trish from the elevator it removes any sort of reactions somebody would have to king crimson because well he wasnt actually there. The only times we see him use time skip is when somebody is already reacting to him and is doing something. If they didnt see him before the time skip how would they react during the skipped time if he is removed from it anyway? theres nothing to react to not to mention all memories are erased during it so perhaps besides that nobody remembers anything while its happening either such as not remembering sonebody just got stolen from you unt AFTER the skip is over
@@fancymustache3793 the stand erased his actions+their consequences from the time that was skipped only, not the consequences after it ends. Bucciarati would have seen Diavolo do everything, but seeing how the end result was him walking out of the elevator with Trish with her arm cut off, that was the only thing that happened for real. Bucci doesn't remember it because it never happened. Trish being disarmed and carried out was fated to happen, but the means by which were erased.
so hes basically able to remove himself from fated actions and 10 seconds of time when he uses his ability. Everything that was going to happen happens normally except diavalo is no longer apart of the equation.
Wait as well as removing himself from the equation he can change it as how he wants right
@@Milwaz34 no because he can’t control fate, he can see fate and avoid it though
It also makes it so you don't remember what happened during the erased time
@@germxxx no im talking about changing his fate since he sees it happen
@@Milwaz34 It's simple fate manipulation.
He can see what's gonna happen with the help of Epitaph then change his actions with the help of King Crimson.
The problem with jojo being so meme heavy is this, people see someone jokingly complain about something on a meme, and newbies think "thats right, cant believe they forgot about that!", if you see a meme about ANYTHING, dont take it as the truth and the only truth.
Yeah, I think the memes are what really cause this Araki forgot situation. People are going into the series not wanting to take it seriously since all they ever saw before hand was stuff like "Nothing can deflect Emerald Splash!" *Cue Dio deflecting it*. Going into the series solely because of the memes makes it seem like an absolute mess with no thought put into it. Characters say shit and it's immediately proven wrong so any established rules don't matter and any confusion is the manga/animes fault because it's a "dumb, nonsensical series about buff dudes with punchy ghosts and a lot of homoeroticism".
Omniscient Cámmaleon agree. Memes are cute and fun to see, but JoJo fans always turn them in real mistakes and ruin them
@@MysteriousTomJenkins Yeah, people forget (lol) that Kakyoin only ever said that line ONCE at the beginning of the series, and that's only the English dub's translation of the original line line. Originally, it's more of a generic line like, "Impossible! He deflected it...?!"
Same goes for people trying to call out Araki for introducing a mirror world with Illuso's Man in the Mirror in Part 5 when Kakyoin argued that such a world couldn't exist. Kakyoin wasn't necessarily wrong at the time because 1) he's not omniscient; how could he know about MitM? and 2) he was merely challenging Polnareff's assumption that Hanged Man belonged to a mirror world. And he was right - Hanged Man was a light-based Stand that could only be seen in reflective surfaces. J. Geil was just PRETENDING that it was impossible to attack his Stand in the mirror.
Naj Adamu Also the line isn’t even that nonsensical. No one can just deflect the emerald splash. Kakyion didn’t know he was fighting literally the most physically powerful stand. No other stand would be able to deflect that move with just their body
Naj Adamu And Kakyoin’s phrase about the mirror is not even completely wrong. The mirror world in part 5 is created by MitM, it’s the stand ability, it does not exist on its own. In fact disappears at the death of Illuso
Oddly enough, I think a good example to help understand how king crimson works is looking at bites the dust. It gets activated on rohan, who explodes, and time gets reset. Then, rohan still gets blown up at the same time even though he didnt look at bites the dust, because it was fated to happen no matter what. With king crimson for example, he presumably looked into epitaph and saw that he kills narancia. He then activates time skip and doesnt even have to do anything, and narancia will just magically get impaled on the spikes even though diavolo didnt do it, because it was fated to happen. 'During' the time skip, diavolo removes himself from the equation, but everyone and everything else continues along its set path.
So basically a timeskip creates a kind of "fate clone" of Diavolo that still does all the things he would be fated to do, but just has no actual corporeal body or even visibility, while the real Diavolo can do whatever he wants?
Kinda, they also don't notice because it happens after the time erase
Think about how cool the cleaning lady scene would have looked from Diavolos perspective. He activates King Crimson; and walks out as the entire room cleans itself up in 10 seconds...
This! I was imagining that too lol. Poor rejected fate Diavolo did all the work.
He used king crimson to help him clean
Fans: "But Araki forgot-"
Hamon Beat: "HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON, OLD MAN?!"
I hate ppl who say that but most of these ppl are just memeing
@@strohimsack2528 ah yes the memes are delicious
@@mithmoonwalker Memes, the DNA of the soul
Is this Spongebob reference ???
I like to imagine Hamon Beat reacting to people saying Araki forgot the same way Fugo did when Narancia got a question wrong.
Jojo fan: But Araki forgot-
Hamon beat: *stabs with a fork* MEASLY LITTLE PUNK SHIT, YOU THINK YOU CAN MESS WITH ME!?! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I KEEP TEACHING YOU THIS LESSON!?! YOU DENSE CAGAKATZO!!!
Well there are 13 parts to King Crimson.
1. In the Court of the Crimson King
2. In the Wake of Poseidon
3. Lizard
4. Islands
5. Larks’ Tongues in Aspic
6. Starless and Bible Black
7. Red
8. Discipline
9. Beat
10. Three of a Perfect Pair
11. THRAK
12. The ConstruKction of Light
13. The Power to Believe
Thank you so much! The way that you state the powers, it actually makes perfect sense, and is entirely consistent. And actually much more clever and interesting than I once thought. Thank you again for this video!
You're quite a patient man, Hamon
That’s an understatement
@@scarletassassin523 you're absolutely right lmao.
Wait is this sarcasm or
He's also really good at explaining things. I actually enjoy KC so much more now.
And also a racist man
Jotaro hat, it ends where his
That's how his hat works, thanks for coming to my ted talk.
and people would still get it despite not remembering what you said, because it was fated
Edgar Stumm unless GER nullifies it before it becomes reality
the real question is how he gets it to stay on his head all his life after defeating DIO
Araki said in an interview that was a part of his head. Probably art reasons.
He glued some of his hair onto the hat which is why you can't tell were it ends
Wait, you could just kill someone in the next room, skip time, never leave your seat, then have a strong alibi.
No wonder Diavalo was so arrogant about his abilities, his stand has a very powerful ability! 😲😮😶
ngl if i have the same abilities i'd be arrogant too
@@shofierc XD Remind me not to trust you with power. 😂
Not only that, but because of epitaph he doesn't even have to guess what's gonna happen, he can just look into epitaph. Diavolo was literally the first in the series that said he has an invincible stand and be right, and that's just supported by the fact that the only reason they beat him was by giving giorno the requiem which is basically the king of all bullshit. Obviously this isn't mentioning any of the dimensional bs from part 7 onward but for the first 6 parts, apart from ger, king crimson really is the strongest stand
@@alexthegs2624 Nuh uh, The Lock go brrrr. XD
/j
@@alexthegs2624 Technically Jotaro could defeat him but yeah he's one of the strongest stand users by far.
But in the case of the hotel. Wouldn't it be the case that it doesn't make sense. Because the cleaning lady's fate was changed. Since, if she would've seen Diavolo jump out the window, her actions would've been different then they ended up being. So it doesn't equate to the rock being throw example
King crimson is basically: “Hello how are you today” to “hello- today”
"This is a test."
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"Wouldn't you agree, Jean Pierre Polnareff?"
@@m.s.5370 you like your own comment stfu kid
@@capybara9521 Prove it. I don't give a single fuck about likes on the internet. You really shouldn't just randomly throw around accusations when you know NOTHING about the other person. Makes you look like an idiot.
@@capybara9521 triggered much?
@@capybara9521 cringe as fuck
Basically everyone needs to remember "Bites The Dust" arc. Hayato's face gets turned into a book while being many meters away from Rohan, because he relived the same morning aka it's his fate. The same applies to Rohan exploding while being away from Hayato and mini Killer Queen. Apply the same logic to Narancia, fortune teller etc. and you've got it.
bungeegum bruh, you forgot that that’s not fate doing it, that was still bites the dust. Rohan survived after bites the dust was removed, if it was fate still doing it, then it would’ve happened anyway
@@WinterGray8888 if you can't see the clear connection between btd and Araki's thought process regarding fate, idk what to tell you.
So... are you saying What will happen is What will happen???
Floor is made of floor??
@@WinterGray8888 BtD is literally fate manipulation. When Kira deactivates BtD to fight Josuke, fate progresses normally, which is Kira dying, instead of Kira's fate which is to kill the Duwang Gang.
If Kira kept BtD activated when Josuke & Okuyasu met him, the Duwang Gang would have died moments after Rohan did, however Kira wouldn't have risked it because Josuke can quite easily kill him and end BtD itself.
Didnt understand anything but kq was in rohans eye if thats not what thus was about f if so yay
The first time I was watching Part 3 and DIO used the dirty trick on Polnareff, i was like "WTF JUST HAPPENED" then i understand how the stand works and i laugh every single day, so simple and so stupid at the same time
I finally understand this ability, and how OP it is.
Ikr
It lets you make moves and counterattacks at basically no opportunity cost to yourself
This is honestly the best full explanation I have seen, up until now I only understood the concept that he was exempt from fate rather than just "it erases that period of time" but with this video it makes sense now how his own actions can affect things during a time skip
The main reason as to why people "don't undertsand King Crimson" is that erasing time is difficult to portray in manga. Each panel is already portraying a frozen moment in time, so from the readers perspective, time is always skipping.
The secondary reason is that it is a meme. The people who asks "how does King Crimson work?" are memeing, usually not actually serious.
You'd be surprised how many ppl still don't understand or don't listen in this community
So what happens to his body in front of someone?
Unlike The World, is it skipping or stopping a certain action in time.
Such as I stand in front of you and active KS, 10sec walk behind you in those 10 seconds do you see me just standing there and then I'm behind you?
Or is the perception of time stopped viewing me, but forgotten while when I move in skipped time?
@@Cecil_Crow The video answers your questions.
@@highgrove8545 I must've missed it.
Could you explain it a bit accurately for me?
And what about seeing your future self? How does that work?
How did Buchiratti see his future self?
Well attack his future self?
Anthony Crowley
Think of a line that’s ten feet long, each of those feet are representative of one second. Time stop adds additional feet to the line, whereas time skip colors the line red and allows king crimson to change his actions in it. This line cannot be fundamentally moved. There are certain potential exceptions to this last rule, but it’s important to visualize this nonetheless.
I’m regards to time stop, which adds more line, time skip only slightly changes the line. Because they forget what happened in skipped time, it would appear like teleportation to a victim standing still. Because they forget what happens during skipped time, perception of time is entirely irrelevant.
Seeing what you’re doing in the future could have three possibilities. I’ve never seen the show or read the manga, but it could change reality entirely to reflect what someone seeing that would do or it could do nothing, and they would be a slave to their fate. Perhaps, however, showing one’s fate to themself could create a self-fulfilling prophecy, where not even diavolo himself has truly free will which would be revealed by way of his own ability. That last bit is slightly more philosophical, but important nonetheless.
The awkwardness with the Trish and Naraccia (sp) scenes are that we'd expect someone to notice their teammates being dismembered and killed, so theoretically after the time skip wed see everyone staring in gasp as Naraccias body, because in the fated events they were probably watching Trish/Diavolo kill him. Same with the elevator. Diavolo cha-cha-ed real smooth in there and Bruno never noticed. Even if his memory of watching Diavolo do it is wiped, he'd still have to come out if the time skip looking where he would have been looking. But NAH. I guess he didn't notice for a fated 10 seconds that Trish was dismembered beside him. I've never used so many abstract words...
Thats exactly what I thought, but jojo fans dont want to admit that his power make no sense.
Exactly
@@elmeromogollon this is why i hate Diavolo's stand ability.
My only guess is that all existing interpretations of KC's ability are simply wrong and only Araki knows how this time skip thing actually works
@@nothingwrong2293 I think it could be real simple to explain. Epitaph allows him to see a few seconds in advance. He uses this to know when to skip time. The "time skip" would allow fated events that affect Diabolo to never happen. Meanwhile, he can use this time to do something else. He avoids ten seconds that have now NEVER HAPPENED, and gets a brand new ten seconds. So if you attacked him in skipped time, you'd come out of it having done something completely different, had you never even attacked him. So people who interact with him technically get a new ten seconds too, but those are decided by fate. This would have to include "being observed" so he can avoid the events where people watch him kill. So if you observed him skip time it feels like your brain is skipping, as you come out of it staring at nothing. This would explain the elevator and body swap kill. A least a little. It also explain how he could possibly throw blood at Giorno in skipped time, and why people come out of skipped time not I'm attack position. They instead come out of it I'm a casual posture, or on guard like in the climax.
I think. Idk man. I need a census. How does that interpretation read/does it conflict with another event?
I noticed that for Narancia’s death, he pretty much levitated to open bars (since Diavolo would have done this if he didn’t skip time)
Out of all the jojo stereotypes the biggest one is that the fans cannot read text on paper
Same reason why they hate part 6.. part 6 is amazing imo
@@molecularnut6122 I can't deny some problems with part 6, but tbh it's still amazing and doesn't deserve the hate.
MolecularNut omg yes it’s my 3rd best part imo it’s so good
@@snoivernk1021 that some problem already explained if you read the part 6 m8
@@molecularnut6122 My problem is just the pacing not any araki forgots . What are you referring too?
I can understand not understanding king crimson if you’ve just read the manga as there’s no objective sense of time and there were only poor translations for a long time. But if you still don’t understand after watching the anime then you need to pay more attention or rewatch
Indeed. The misunderstanding of King Crimson's ability came from the fact that all source we had back then were poorly translated manga scans.
But not understanding it after we got anime adaptation where David Production did amazing job showing King Crimson's ability in detail and when we were provided with official english subs - it became nothing more than prolonging the "It just works" meme.
I bet it will be the same for D4C arc in part 7 - now it seems pretty confusing for us, but knowing David Pro they will make it waaaay more clear and understandable than it is in manga.
Am still a little confused on how he spilled blood on giorno since he isn’t supposed to interact during the time skip
@@chat427 that's part of his body so he can do that
It’s because people are twitter while they watch anime
This is Diavolo's blood so it can move while the time skip
But once the blood on Giorno it's not anymore considered like a part of Diavolo so it can touch and stay on Giorno.
(By the way, Diavolo's surely couldn't touch this blood during the time skip after throw it)
Basically, we have a 1-10 second time line, and say KC decides to erase the 4-6 second mark. So when we hit that 04 second mark, it jumps straight to the 7 second mark
In that 4-6 second portion of time, he can move freely, and do what he wants while he is the the erased time
I think the reason so many people have a problem with king crimson is because the original fated path is sometimes too simplistic. Like with the elevator scene considering the time skip shown to us the original fated path is for diavolo to rip open the elevator get in cut off trishs hand and take her down but do all this leaving bucciaratti virtually untouched. This means that bucciaratti's fated path is to basically stand there like an idiot randomly for 10 seconds while diavolo takes trish. King crimson is fast sure but not so fast that bucciaratti wouldnt notice. If bucciaratti was also shown to be affected by the time skip it wouldve made more sense to the viewer. Basically it seemed like bucciaratti was frozen in time for that skip which is what confuses so many ppl about this ability
If he's fated to take Trish and leave Bruno then that's what'll happen
There was nothing for him to see or react to cuz as far as he's concerned nothing.haooened between KCs activation and deactivation
He had no reason to do anything to Bruno either
It wouldn't make any more sense if he did the stuff you said
No you got it wrong Diavolo never went down the elevator that reality was erased yet the product of that said reality applied for the current reality, and the product in this case would be taking Trish down the elevator. KC's ability is fcking terrifying.
@@dannysdungareedanceoff8481
I know this was a year ago but i forgot about this but i understand that the time is skipped. But what was originally fated to happen is that trish is taken from the elevator but the fact that bruno is unaffected post skip means that in the original fate kinh crimson just came in and took trish and did absolutely nothing to Bruno which feels pretty incredulous
@@lukyluk_pythis implies that the product of the original fate involved no fight with king crimson against bruno ehich would be impossible if the original fated path was for kc to come on and grab trish bruno should also be damaged if that's wha rly happened
I always thought that "he skips past time" was a good enough explanation for me. But whatever.
The part that always confused me and others I believe was him sometimes seeming able to affect things in skipped times, and others not.
Harmon Beat finally clears this up for me, by explaining that a “fated Diavalo” essentially splits off during skipped time and still does what he was going to do.
Scenes like the bullets shown phasing through him make this confusion worse. What is actually happening is the fated Diavalo is hit, but it doesn’t matter.
Well, Diavolo kinda switches between describing it as "skipping time" and "erasing time", which might be where part of the confusion comes from. People have a harder time wrapping their heads around the concept of "erasing time" than merely "skipping time". Plus, the whole "hitting his future self" scene isn't explained super-clearly.
@@najadamu2724 thats diavolo forcing epitaph's vision on bucciarati
@@richardstevenson371 the explanation for the ending of doppio vs risotto scene is simple. Diavolo can alter his fate AND other things' fate as long as that other thing's fate is related to his. If diavolo's fate was to get hit by a rock, he can alter his fate so he doesnt get hit by the rock either by repositioning or by phasing through it. Because the rock's fate was related to his, the rock's fate changed so it didnt hit diavolo. So even if the bullets' fate was to hit diavolo, because he used KING CRIMSON the bullets' fate changed.
@@richardstevenson371 I always thought he just made himself Ethereal so that the bullets passes through him? He says he deleted 0.5s of time so for those 0.5 seconds of time he doesn't exist and the bullets just hit Rissoto.
Why are people so confused by this stand? Thematically, the whole point of his stand is to reinforce the theme of lack of control, over your actions and over your fate.
Because the part about Fate throwing the rock is not shown from Diavolo's perspective, so you'll have to think harder about this than for other stands.
Can he attack people in stopped time or not?
Can other people take actions during stopped time or not?
How did he attack Trish and carry her off if he can't?
How did Narancia get the chocolate if they can't?
Why couldn't Bruno fight KC when he attacked Trish if they can?
Why couldn't
@@KieraQ0323 He can not. Here is how King Crimson works:
Epitah forsees a certain amount of time, that prediction is FATED to happen.
King Crimson activates a few seconds of Time Erasure, during Time Erasure, Diavolo and any extension of himself is ignored by fate, though the consequences of Diavolo's actions are not.
During Time Erasure, Diavolo is ethereal and physical attacks can not harm him, he can also not harm anyone else due to this. All Memories formed within Time Erasure are erased aside from Diavolo's own memories.
Here is an example by Hamon Beat, Epitah shows Diavolo throwing a rock, Diavolo activates KC and runs a meter away. What happens after Time Erasure is that the rock seemingly throws itself while diavolo teleports a meter away. "Fate" is throwing the rock in this instance.
Epitah foresaw Diavolo attacking and carrying Trish away, Diavolo activates KC and blows away the time before Bruno turns around. Fate itself carries Trish to Diavolo.
Narancia would always get the chocolate, he just lost the memories of getting it due to Time Erasure.
Perhaps Diavolo ordered bruno to not turn around in any circumstance, bruno would follow the order and that's when King Crimson would activate. After the skip, Bruno's memories of the event would be erased, so everything still happens as normal.
@@MisterEcks Giorno's fate is to get stepped on by cats
@@jadenkelly316 Thank you!
“It’s impossible to understand! It’s far beyond our comprehension!”
Have you guys never experienced a lag spike in a video game?
So if diavolo in the premonition broke the elevator ceiling, severed Trish’s hand and took her away, what was bucciarati doing while that was happening? The people in a premonition can still react to other peoples actions, like how fugo asked for water, and during the time skip, giorno gave fugo the bottle, fugo thanked him, fugo opened it, and by the time the skip ended he was drinking it. So why was bucciarati standing still and in the exact same position when the skip ended? Wouldn’t he have his stand out, be chasing diavolo, or at least have been in attack position when the skip ended?
You forgot How time erasure works
People are not aware to their actions while time erasure is in cast, basically its like You not caring to a guy that grts murdered infront of your eyes and only realized after 10 seconfs
@@lmao5215 yes but I’m talking about the premonition, where everyone still would react and attack diavolo. For example, when bucciarati attacked diavolo, diavolo initiated a time skip and bucciarati was still attacking where diavolo *would* have been. Since bucciarati’s start and end positions were exactly the same before and after the time skip in the elevator, and that means that in epitaph’s premonition, diavolo broke the ceiling, severed Trish’s hand, and carried her out while bucciarati apparently didn’t notice anything. I’m not talking about the skip, I’m talking about the premonition.
@@jadencadwising9368 about the gang actions, they know what they are doing, they see people and let their conscious do for them after the time skip
In Bucciarati case, Trish and Bucciarati doesn't know diavolo was already waiting for them. Diavolo casted premonition and saw that he will open the elevator, chop the hand, and grab trish but he would be seen and Bucciarati may have attack him but by skipping time, he let the fate do it for him and allow his face to be unseen
@@lmao5215 yeah maybe bucciarati attacked him in the premonition and thats why bucciaratis fate changed.
King Crimson fights in a nutshell:
*Was I chasing his after image the whole time?*
Is that an OPM reference!?!?!?!
@@thepancakedimension8390 is that a jojo reference?
Summary: King Crimson’s ability is to remove a cause from its affect.
and ger removes the effect from the cause right?
@@lewismartin3430 Yes, they're complete opposites
@@lewismartin3430 they're like two sides of the same coin
I’m still confused on king crimsons ability
@@Milwaz34 why
King crimson has 2 abilities
1. To predict the upcoming future
2. To erase time. He can erase time up to 10 seconds. In these 10 seconds , only he can move and come to enemies blind spot although he cannot touch the enemy in erased time .
I hope it helps
Did you watch the video?? It's more than that
And to show after images of people and to kill people during the time erase and remove objects and it apparently affects the whole world or has very long range ignoring the laid out rules of stand powerlevels(the cat scene) and and he can be hurt when in the stopped time if the plot wants it and he has incredible strength resistance speed and Endurance and he is apparently silent and i think something more.
But to be fair he doesn't have the power of good writing so it evens out.
This explanation makes sense, but it still bugs me.
Doesn't it essentially mean that most of Diavolo's accomplishments just come from having plot armor? And his actual abilities are mostly just used to hide that fact.
It doesn't feel satisfying that he is fated to beat all these people that he should have no business beating, and the explanation for why that was predestined in the first place is conveniently erased.
It is essentially plot armor because with Narancias death, it was established that "fate" can make him do impossible things. There is no way that he could just kill Narancia like that while the entire squad was there. What the "fate" explanation is essentially saying is that if Diavolo didnt use time skip, he would have done what he sees in epitaph: kill Narancia while everyone else just watches (without time skip, they would see him in all of the 10 seconds)
In all honesty, I think that Araki deliberately used misleading language when describing the stand because he noticed the same issue. "Skipping time" is an idiotic description for "changes ONLY his own fate". Also, it makes no sense that he erases the memories too because thats clearly changing everyones fate.
“I erased time for everyone but me”
Erased time can be seen as a time that is erased for everyone but Diavolo, or a time period that only Diavolo exist in and will experience.
Of course since nothing else actually exist he can’t interact with anything and can kind of just float around without limit
But wouldn't it also be fated that Buccialati move while in the elevator in reaction to Diavolo taking Trish? Why did Buccialati stay in one spot if what was fated would have obviously engaged a conflict?
It's the cause of King Crimson's ability to erase memories during the time skip
@@redcraft6038 I'm saying a fight would naturally occur during the timeskip. It's like if Diavolo threw a rock at someone and skipped time, then they woke up with a rock smacking them because they didn't react naturally during the skipped time.
That’s my main problem with that example
You come le say the same for Narancia too, surely they would have noticed king crimson lifting him up during the time skip
@@kindadumb916 those memories will be fully deleted when it's fully skipped time by king crimson, it's that simple...
He is a diligent worker. Always shows up to his McDonalds shift early.
King crimson: *Incredibly powerful, nearly impossible to overcome without an equally powerful stand which is very rare in the series*
Gold experience after touching the arrow again: “hmm no”
I expected a simple answer like “It just works”, but I forgot there’s more to JoJo than just memes
yes king himself
I have been enlightened. Thank you very much, Mr. Hamon Beat.
wow thanks man. this is so complete. never understood it just from watching the anime. now the fate thing explains everything.
King Crimson's ultimate abiltity- Super Fast Cleaning- Cleans an entire room in 10 seconds.
Here's a situation nobody I asked could answer:
Let's say Diavolo stands in front of a camera to record himself. Just as he records the video, he skips time. He then does something like, idk he pulls a dab or smth. Then after time has skipped, the recording ends. If he were to watch that video of himself, would he still see himself dabbing? I asked a shit ton of people and nobody could give a proper answer
Thanks for the sleep killer before bed.
Considering the skipped time is an objective truth, I would say yes. Unless he moves away from the camera. That shit is way more confusing because his fate was changed, but the cameras fate ro record him was not.
No. Diavalo has a fated course of action like everyone else. This is separate from what he experiences when activating king crimson, where he can act outside of fate.
Only the things he was fated to do before skipping will remain. So if he was fated to dab in front of a camera before skipping time, the camera would still capture his image.
However, if he was fated not to dab, activates king crimson, and then dabs, the camera wouldn’t see it, lol.
The "Diavolo's Dab" Paradox.
Cameras are tricky, did he do anything with Epitah beforehand? What would even happen if there were cameras during time stop? Magnets work, is that because of the things on DIO's clothes being counted as an extension of him???
What bugs me about Narancia’s death is that the time in which it happens feels extremely off, like the original prediction was: King Crimson breaks the iron bars, lifts Narancia’s body and stabs him with said bars, but with the “time erasure” this all happens by fate, and King Crimson isn’t revealed, that’s fine, but why didn’t any of the stand users react to any of this? Let me illustrate the scene: out of nowhere, some iron bars break, than Narancia in Giorno’s body gets lift up by some kind of gravitational pull, than he gets impaled by the bars, and during all of this the other stand users were watching Buccarati’s body and Trish gave Mista some bullets. I know time is screwy with these stands that mess with it, but in this scene it honestly feels like Diavolo just stopped time, and this wouldn’t be this big of a deal, but I can’t imagine a scenario where all this stuff begins to happen and no one could have helped Narancia, Mista could have shot the bars so they couldn’t stab him, Giorno could have used Gold Experience in a variety of ways to at least protect his head and, most importantly, Buccarati could have used Sticy Finger to increase his reach and unzipped the bars, and I firmly believe any one of these could have happened within the 10 seconds that were skipped. If anyone could clarify this whole scenario to me I would be extremely thankful, but for now, this just feels like Araki wanting to raise the stakes of the final showdown and left this inconsistency slide.
"left this inconsistency slide." this honestly is the biggest problem with part 5.
Its possible any of those things couldve occurred, but diavolo wouldnt attack narancia if he couldnt get away with it, so he wouldnt skip over it unless it occurred, so it could only happen when those things didnt occur.
Notice how directly after a timeskip happens, NO ONE remembers what they were doing in skipped time. The scene right before when Giorno decide to head into the chapel, for example. One moment Abbacchio is in the boat, the next, he has his hand on Giorno’s shoulder, and literally no body remembered seeing Abbacchio making his way all the way to where Giorno was, just stepping out of the boat. There’s no way Buccarati, Giorno, or anyone else could’ve saved Naranchia; the actual impalement was erased, all that they witnessed was the direct aftermath, with no memory of Naranchia being lifted into the air and dropped onto the bars. To them, one moment he was okay, the next he was dead, instantly.
@@busnetwork8684 Yes. Maybe Diavolo did it really fast since kc is as fast or even faster than light. He could have also canceled the time erase early.
@@busnetwork8684 yeah, but they should have been looking at his impaled body, stands already drawn. That would be the reaction if KC did it himself in real time, as he was fated to, but he skipped ahead, meaning the gang would be alert and shocked but not remember why
this is actually useful, it really helped me understand something about King Crimson
I always tell people to watch the Futurama episode, “Time Keeps on Slipping”. The way time skips there is exactly how it would work for King Crimson, and they do an A+ way of explaining it.
Problem with that explanation is, you don't have a character that's *immune* to the skips (at least, arguably, until later in the episode where the skips happen at random in small areas). Really, this video just helps explain the seeming inconsistency of how Diavolo can move things around while he's erasing the moment of time where he actually moves them.
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Knowing what fate does in jojo makes this stand make waaaaay more sense
It just works. Nice video and pretty good explanation by the way!
If KC’s victims are still reacting to their environment inside of that time but then forget shouldn’t have Bruno have noticed Trish floating away or the hole in the elevator in skipped time then suddenly be making a different face and looking at the hole in the ceiling, seemed like he was still staring at the floor indicator above the door the whole time there was no transition in Bruno face the whole time
Because Bruno was unaware of it he was mostly not facing Trish and his fated reaction was to scream when he noticed Trish hand
@@daredevil2382 well from what I just heard, kc erases the actions
So he erases his action to smash the elevator, slice the daughters hand, and snatch her
That's why Bruno panicked and knew the boss was up to something not good
Bruno can only perceive actions that happen in Time. He can't see fate. KC allows Diavolo to skip time, without affecting Fate itself. The time in which Diavolo kidnaps Trish is skipped over, so the actions don't happen, only their consequences do. Bruno would basically see nothing, since everything that happened was skipped. It's just like a YT video: if someone skips 10 secs forward, you perceive the video without knowing what happened during the skipped seconds. However the skipped seconds still happen and so the video is proceeding normally while you're 10 seconds behind on events.
If Trish is fated to be taken by Diavolo, surely Bucciarati would be fated to react. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t remember anything afterwards. For the bucciarati is skipped time, he would be fated to react because fate dictates that Diavolo enters the elevator, takes Trish and moves out. Since Diavolo skipped time he never was in the elevator, but since he was fated to be in the elevator, bucciarati would be fated to react to him entering the elevator. Theres only 2 explanations for this. Either Bucciarati was fated to not react, somehow. Or Araki didn’t want to write the scene like that and wanted to make King Crimson seem more terrifying.
As someone who just finished Part 5 of the anime and genuinely *did not* understand how King Crimson worked all the way through, this cleared it up very well, thanks.
I just gotta say, this actually helped a lot of understanding king crimson. I knew how it worked, but not fully. So again, this was a big help and thanks.
Thanks, this gives me a better understanding of King Crimson.
I am currently in a *Schrodinger* *Understanding* of what you just said
I understand what you mean, but I also don't at the same time
(yes I did just make up a dumb phrase I'm never going to use again)
SHIZAMUZE, HAMONN BIIITTT is when you know it's gonna be a good day
Great days indeed
For a long time i thought joseph saying hamon beam
Too bad he’s racist lmao
Jorge Lazaro
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What?
@@obviouslykaleb7998 if you got Twitter just look up “Hamon Beat Racist”
Hmmmm, that’s weird. It says I’ve finished this video already.
This is either a king crimson moment or a everywhere at the end of time moment
It's an enemy stand
ITS A STAND ATTACK
*This must be the work of an enemy stand*
Thank you for this explanation
The question humanity has asked since the dawn of time.
Anybody: "How Does King Crimson Work?"
Me: Oh sh*t, here we .... again.
it is just impossible to explain in a short answer
@@balintpapp5429 The Hand but it only erases time instead of matter.
@@ShadowHawk24Real oi Josuke it's the same type of stand as za hando
This video was just perfect
This cleared up so much for me thank you
Hamon you are trying to kill a JoJo meme, however, fate has decided that no JoJo meme will ever die.
Basically if something is moving relative to the ground and Diavolo in erased time, it phases through Diavolo.
Also, no one except diavolo, king crimson and GER can remember anything in the 10 seconds.
There, done.
Who would win you vs diavolo
@@Milwaz34 me, beca
Ima make it sound even more simple
Diavalo becomes invincible ,invisible, and nobody can hear him which makes all attacks useless
@@Milwaz34 I think DIO would win this is how it would go
“ZA WARUDO” *donut*
“Ez EZ LOL YOUR BAD”
“Bruh ts”
@@b0r3deditzstuff31 diavolo would probably win
"im the best a god and evil for literally no reason"
"king crimson"
*dio fucking dies*
My only problem with this explanation is that almost none of it is actually shown or explained in the manga despite the fact that Araki would have lost nothing to show it off somewhere. We never get a scene where we get to see fate itself moving something within Diavolo's erased time and we never see Diavolo ever bring up the fact this happens. I'd be inclined to believe your "Phase through stuff" explanation had it been the case that Diavolo simply said that that was what happened when he killed Risotto, but instead he uses 3 speech bubbles to explain what he did, but not one of them explain what you claim he actually did. This is Diavolo we're talking about, the guy who was cocky enough to be introduced by explaining his main ability, he has no reason to not fully explain what he did to Risotto when he was basically already dead, and yet he didn't, that's because it's not what he did, it's not what Araki was going for, if it was he would have explained it, he would have shown it, because that's what Araki does.
This explanation is a good one, you found a few ideas that just happens to be sturdy enough that you can consistently use it as speculation for what was happening, but that's all it is, speculation, a fan made retcon at best, but for the sheer fact that a significant amount of these ideas are never mentioned anywhere in part 5, I simply cannot accept this explanation as canon
We witness him phasing through attacks mid- landing twice in the series.
We also don't see Narancia struggling, or anyone that he sprays blood on move or react to it after the prediction, kinda like Dio's time stop.
thanks so much now i finally know how kc works and i won't have a headache trying to figure out how kc works by myself
I can just hear the anger in his voice
Can't believe you spent 11 minutes to say it just works.
Thank you. The part that had me confused was the "seeing the future part"
Your video really helped
Everybody talking about how king crimson works, but nobody thinking about where tf is the "jo" in higashikata
Yeah XD
The "Jo" is not in Higashikata. It's in the "suke" in Josuke.
Ah, I guess thanks to Dio people are too focused on the time manipulation aspect of King Crimson as opposed to how it interacts with fate, time, and reality together as a package.