UNBOXING a 370 Amp Alternator!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- UNBOXING a 370 amp alternator! Gale Banks explains how the Mechman Elite Series billet alternator works and why he chose it for the Supercharged Twin-turbo 7.1L Duramax Monster Truck Engine. New Episode every Wednesday!
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Had one of these in my old 3.6L Dodge Avenger with 2 optima yellow caps. I jumped everything from pick up trucks to diesel box trucks with that set up. One time I saw a duramax pickup trying to jump his buddy. I ended up jumping him. The look was priceless.
This guy explains all the questions I have. Without even asking. 👍
Back when you did the Six Gun 7.3 I was using Mecmen Alternator for older Brush trucks. At the time Most Volunteer fire departments were using pickups trucks with skid units. The halogen light bars, strobes, wig wags, sirens and other halogen lights were frying Batteries and Alternators. Between your Six Gun and Mecmen I was looking like the Firefighting hero mechanic too. Thank you Gale.
What do you mean, "Is going to be a great project"? It already is! Keep them coming!
Your comment section is on point also. Mostly positive guys happy to digest the info. And many people adding more info.
I'm just glad you're still pumping out content during this pandemic!
@Wikkitt Klown are you still alive?
“Plandemic “
Scamdemic
So freaking awesome. Absolutely the best RUclips channel now. The different topics and products on display are epic. The graphics and explanation are on point. Thank you amsoil and thank you folks at banks behind the scenes. That old guy is cool too...
Awesome video as always!! I run a 370 amp 6G 6 phase hairpin alt on my 99 Crown Vic Interceptor. Also running a 1.9 inch overdrive alt pulley. All 0 gauge high strand OFC copper cables.
Big 4 wire upgrade also. And yes, part of the Big 4 wire upgrade includes a 0 gauge cable from battery NEG to the alt case. Because, the true ground is the alt case. Great stuff Mr. Banks!!
I love the fact that it is wired for one wire out of the box. Looks like this would be a good swap for older farm equipment that uses electrical accessories on the implements.
Gale, Thank you for explaining certain concepts, valuable for the masses that needs more amperage. GM even produce a coolant cooled dual stator alternator for a number of years. The alternator supplies the amps required for all the accessories including engine operation, but a rear steering system by itself can use a lot of current to turn those large axle loads. I started using voltage about 45 years ago while working on EFI vehicles with way less demands. While running, and the circuit is on, in a series circuit where the device uses the available voltage. This make fast, accurate and easy for a tech to identify area of higher resistance which is the root cause of a liquid loss of voltage, resulting in lower current. Undersized wires, bad switch, connectors terminal, fuse holder or the device itself can be quickly identified. With a complete system accounting for every amp, every while under full load is an excellent way of finding total amperage requirements plus having 20% extra is perfect. It is very smart to have a ground lug on the alternators frame as ground is created there, as most everyone thinks it is just positive amperage. Although, as posted below by “Dieselman” eluded to “Oxygen Free Copper” wire, is has a little less resistance per foot and the insulation makes it more flexible, but this is represented in the price. Just follow published charts for amperage over length, as they proper use the cross-section of copper stands bundled together, and leave some wiggle room as well. Thanks for explaining a great deal of good information. Get a good digital multimeter and a good amp-clamp, then learn to use them! ASE Master Tech since 78 - Retired.
Thank god for Gale Banks.
Best alternators period! Nice craftsmanship too.
Awesome alternators ...most car audio guys use these some even use up to 5.. just a tip use "OFC" wire rather than "cca" and the higher quality car audio wire is super soft and flexible even when using 00 wire
CCA is not even a Option lol OFC ftw
@Wikkitt Klown the maintenance for CCA is much higher, in almost everyone's experience. It corrodes at a much higher rate and I've seen countless fuse blocks and cables melted due to corrosion and increased resistance.
@@mitchellroberts7954 THIS. CCA is the most idiotic thing you can buy for car audio, if you are unlucky, you can even burn your car down with it.
And if that happens, your insurance (at least in Germany) wont pay you anything, because using CCA with normal terminals meant for OFC isn't allowed. (which is mind boggling, because most wire kits you get here use CCA...)
Most car audio guys need more idle amperage output than high rpm amperage output... cuz most demo the system vehicle on, in park.. Also most use lithium, depending on the system some can even go full tilt w/ just the lithium , engine off.
The voltage loss over the run on CCA wire is much higher than copper. Losing voltage, creating heating thus reducing output.
Technical comments. FYI, 6 phase is 3 phase with each phase center tapped. This does permit using 12 diodes with current distribution in a full wave bridge rectifier. It is wired similar to a Y alternator with the centers of each winding connected together and floating instead of just one end tied together in a traditional Y. Each phase is 120 degrees apart for the prime side of each winding and the 180 degree compliments of each phase connects to the 2nd set of 6 diodes. This configuration is common in welders and other high amp DC supplies to reduce ripple. Primary is 3 phase. By technical definition, this is actually 3 phase with complements. This requires no special alteration of the field. The big advantage is more diodes to share high current and lower ripple voltage.
I designed that knife! Glad to see you using it!
Please for the love of God, connect that blue sense wire to the battery where it's suppose to connect, don't leave it on the charging stud. I wish Alt builders would really break their habit of putting it on the stud.
"Aldernader"
Dentures are a cruel mistress
@@KENARDO That's what I was thinking, I didn't want to make fun of it because I'm sure I'll have them as well. I'm surprised he can't afford the ones that don't come out.
370 amps it become an Arnoldator.
Mr. Banks, Consider using fine strand welding leads v/s the (0) electric cable. More conductors and less resistance. Don't forget you proper sized fuse.
What is the downside? There has to be a trade off please explain
A couple things, the decrease in diameter gives higher resistance per strand, so the gains if any are minimal. Second, because the strands are not isolated they function closer to a single conductor then to parallel resistors.
Welding cable is less stranded and typically pure copper, which means poor flexibility and no corrosion resistance as opposed to tinned ofc. Only use welding cable in an auto installation if you need insane power (multiple alts, many batteries). Otherwise, you WILL need to eventually replace all the cables due to corrosion at some point if the vehicle is used with any regularity in an environment where it rains or is humid.
LOTS of people make the mistake of using welding cable in auto installations, i made a full time job at one point just ripping all of their welding cable out and replacing it with marine grade UL listed tinned 1/0-4/0 ofc.
Un Listed do not use welding cables in automotive applications because they aren’t rated for gas and oil. If you live in the snow belt go look around scrap yards, people often use them for powering plows, and it’s not rare for the cables to fail due to petroleum exposure and the trucks to burn to the ground.
@@rydplrs71 it's been a while since I've even seen wire rated for that kind of duty that doesn't at least have a good enough jacket to resist oil and gas tbh. Though, all the plows here are personally owned and operated. I completely believe a government funded plow would use the most no name junk wire available. Less money into equipment means more for the boss.
Loved the video the belt load calculation would have been cool. Also cover battery sensing vs this type. Aluminum Anodizing makes it non conducive so that’s why they need ground wire. Once used super caps to meet needs for temporary loads. Are the steering motors not shutting off when they hit limit ie full turn
Very informative video and I love this thing'! I wanted to purchase one of these, but when I looked at the application chart, it shows incompatibility with a gas-powered 7.0/427 N/A build, which I find puzzling. I plan to call them to sort this out.
These are the best alternators out there with high power!!
The box is stuff of legend, YOU SIR ARE LEGENDARY !!!
Individual alternator ground cable..that's new and interesting, will apply to be add from know😀. Thank you🥰
It’s so nice to see some one get fired up by an alternator 😂
🤣👍👍👍
Love these alts run one on my ram and one on my roach beast mode.
I also have one of there alternators and it's still in there, there expensive but so far so good... voltage is constantly 14
One of the sharpest mechanic/engineers
sweet piece! how much are they? i need one for my stereo system
I ran a 270amp Mechman alternator in my car audio grand prix for many years with no issues. Put out way more than advertised power. Pressure washed the engine bay all the time without covering it too.
Gale mentioned copper clad aluminum (CCA) wire. I use 1/0 tinned oxygen-free copper (OFC) in my truck. OFC is heavier and costs more but it carries more current than CCA for a given wire size and length. I suppose that it may be overkill for how I use it but it is less resistant to current flow and offers additional safety (in theory anyway).
I didn't know what CCA stood for. Thanks for the info! I'll look into using OFC next time around, now that I know. Top tip!
What is the duty cycle on 370 amps? Lots of heat to manage
Wish my kids worked for you Gail. You would be a great boss and teacher
I wish Gail would hand feed my children..
gota love gales comments quote thats buzzin the snout out of one of these things
That wire chart is for coarse stranded wire. You’ll use DLO or some other fine stranded conductor for that because of vibration.
Both my old school cars have mechman alts and I’ve never had an issue after 6 and 10 yrs of usage the best hands down
will you do a video on what starter you will use on this project? I've enjoyed getting to know the other products you are showing us
I wonder if you could use one of these as a wind-power generator, connected to some big blades on a pole...
Looking forward to the update us on how she works.
Great content!...Thx Gale! 😉👌👍
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.
Just a thought, Maybe a second battery or Super Cap to run the electronics on the truck ?
Would not need to be very large, just isolated from the starting and steering loads.
I've setup systems like this before. It really solves a lot of problems.
Alernayer no, alTernaTor, yup - well, slightly smaller ones...
Joshing aside, a very well presented explanation - I've been trying for decades to explain drive ratios, peak rpm, output curves and that they only put out what is required to maintain the set voltage, etc, but you covered it all very nicely - even made reference to the guage wiring required for the output AND ground - I've seen more than a couple of grounds for insulated (NVH) alternators that got hot enough to melt their insulation!
Hhave you considered a 'Delta' wiring arangement - I've used it before, you have the heavy guage from the alternator to the battery, from the battery to the heavy draw intem(s), AND directly from the alternator to the heavy draw items. Doing that I've been able to get it down to a 0.1V drop in some instances.
excellent video Thanks
Need one of those for sure
I love banks videos.
Very cool Gale.
LOVE this. Thanks so MUCH.
GOD BLESS Y'ALL.
Same to you!
It is the best alternator I have ever owned. Truly a beast.
Any updates on performance please?
mr legend of the turbo world,the chuck yeagher of the automotive world
Probably requires a lot of belt tension to not slip, Check all related bearings often...including crank end bearing. If noise not a problem, consider a toothed belt (timing).
That was my first thought. Dual alternators make more sense at that point. Its not like there is a room problem and that will spread the load out as well as spread any heat generated out. Plow trucks have been using duals forever so its a proven system.
How does it compare to a DC XP 370?
Welcome to the car audio world.
Now the question is...do you crimp those lugs with the 0 or 00 cables or solder them or crimp and solder? If they should be crimped, what crimp tool is best ?
I love this channel
Thank god for car audio guys
I presume these are smaller amps than the ones which we normally use? Be interesting to see the actual output on a sustained load case.
You need to do the big three upgrade with your wiring and only use OFC wire.
Low voltage may cause devices to also pull more amperage, possibly causing more heat or damage to sensitive components.
I didn't expect to see your comment! The man himself!!
@@RamRam-wb9nw I watch Banks' videos a lot, it's so interesting to hear how Gale thinks.
Rumor has it the Banks sponsored Monster truck will have a body shaped to look like Gale Banks head.. lol
Now that would be funny.
I am sure this has been explored but have the teams considered running a different hydraulic pump to allow the engine driven hydraulic pump to operate both the front and rear steer?
6th👍's up Mr power thanks for taking the time for us all
Question?
What's the failure mode of this 1?
CE Niehoff makes a line of alternators for military and transit coaches. I'm familiar with their transit applications. 280 -450 amps.
The issue with those is they're not built for delicate systems, so the diodes on the output have avalanche principals and use round wire windings, making them very big and heavy vs this flatwound aluminum case alt is a fraction of the weight/size
How many Torque amp Electric turbos can this power!!!!!
how about the Electrodyne?
Impressive Alternator 👍
Why not do a big capacitor?
Awesome!
What is it needed for?
Tim the tool man Taylor. More power arugh, arugh, arugh!!!
How many watts can this produce
so my diesel will need a huge as pulley? idle 500-800 and 2300 redline. i'm never going to need the max output while at redline, i'm going to need it at high idle, say 1200 rpm
I have a 2012 jet Liberty can you help
so this Alternator does Not need liquid cooling ?
Nothing on that gauge cluster showed voltage.
hi, I don't understand . . . if the regulator is putting out only the required amps from the alternator, why is the 500 amp alternator drawing more hp than the 370 amp alternator for the same load? I understood he said the 500 amp alternator requires more power per amp than the 370 amp alternator. Did I misunderstand?
Also he talks about these alternators spinning at 6000 rpm. But my heavy truck redlines at 3800 rpm but runs best at about half that rpm. What do I need so these are capable of producing full power at 2000 rpm? Much smaller pulley - what size? Thank you.
I could use it to replace my 55 amp alternator
Hey. I just saw you on that C.Shelby Pantera show!
i threw a 300amp alternator into my old civic and modded the idle control to have a toggleable high idle (2000-2100 rpm) and boy oh boy was that great. sadly the engine died due to unrelated problems. still got the alternator
why do u need a high amperage alternator?
Is that a AD244 case alt ? I cant really tell....
He said it's a billet case, so Mechman is making their own. Sure looks like a AC Delco-Remy style case.
How do you think Mechman compares to Tough Stuff and Power Master?
I got some welding lead you can use,,,
Thats an impressive aldernader
Mega DC power! Oh yea!!!!!
With that output and those cables i can almost weld 1/4" steel, just need the electrode, lol
Oh jeez they do a 400A version too, wow. I had no idea that kind of output was available. Sheesh!
500a :)
@@THELIFEOFPRICE JP! I got mine from you last black Friday. Glad I listened to you on this one!
The rated output on a good alternator is also very underrated, almost in some cases by up to 50a.
@@THELIFEOFPRICE I knew you'd be here
I've never seen nor heard of a 300+ amp alternator period. Didn't know they made them that hot, nor did I know there was a need for them unless you have some crazy stereo system. Interesting!
Yep, and they're cheaper than you'd expect given the specialization. A good amount are made in the USA as well! Good brands to look at are mechman, DC power, and singer.
I got an xspowermaster alternator and its ratio which is still a little low for me at idle and is right to the max rpm of the alternator which is belive is 18k at 7200 engine rpm. What happens if I spin that baby up past the max rpm for short burst? It's a drag car that gets ran on the street
It very well may go boom ...Imo I personally would swap to a mechman even though XS power is a great brand especially their batteries but you could change your pulley size to reduce your rpm but it won't help your idle amperage
Although I don't share a lot of commenters enthusiasm for oxygen free copper I would not want to use copper clad aluminium. Nevertheless a very interesting video as always.
Big ass diodes! Nice ratio explanation
Is there such a thing as too much alternator in everyday use? Stock alternator is 120 amp in my diesel truck.
As long as it's regulated, you cannot have too much alternator. Most modern alternators are regulated. They only put out the power needed at that moment.
So..... you could run an arc welder off that? CRAZY.
The output on a good 370a Alt is good for 5500w, the batteries are where the rubber meets the road though.
Sure could. Voltage is a little low though
Banks the Diesel Santa Claus. With his high performance slicer.
Haha... Six gun with a side of salad shooter! Cooling fan on alternator.
If you isolate the ECU with a supercapacitor and inductor you will never have a problem with power dropouts during the peak current flow from the alternator. Ground loops, will remain a problem. Of course the negative terminal makes sense for high reliability.
So...one of these would be ideal for my daily-driven former police car?
How well does the Mechman alternator work with modern ECM controlled charging systems in newer vehicles?
Howard Bardsley Works perfectly because it’s regulated. We added the same 370 Amp Elite Series to a recent SEMA Show truck. Worked like a champ.
Some car alts have access direct to ecm so unless he selling application direct might not work .
I whant same one for my ford f350 6.0 powerstroke please send the item # .thanks
You should look into investing a good lithium lifepo4 battery to go along with that aldernador 😛
That's what, 4kW? Just about right for a big battery pack. (LiFe with some supercaps at the load?)
More like 5.1kW
370A x 13.8v = 5106W