Thanks again for a comprehensive test. I appreciate your going to the extra time, effort, and expense to provide meaningful sample sizes (unlike so many other channels) under valid test conditions (unlike so many other channels 😉).
Wow ! I am totally amazed that that was all the accuracy out of that with your fancy rifles. Cumberland Outdoorsman shoots this out of his stock Remington 581 and was surprised of the results he got. He also thought it was junk but bought a new box of it and they were very accurate for him. I do believe he sights in at 40 yards.
GM Don, I bought a bunch of that Bulk blue box garbage during a sale. I'd never tried it before. Except for Thunderbolts, it's the worst 22 I've ever shot or purchased. I get more FTF with this garbage than anything. I'd guess that 10% of each box isn't properly primed. It looks pretty much like Federal is going to be sold to The Czechoslovak Group (CSG). The last hurdle is the shareholder vote. The deal includes the Federal, Remington, Speer, CCI, Hevi-Shot, and Alliant Powder brands. I haven't researched the numbers but if the new owner stops producing and selling ammo here, that's going to suck. With all the conflict in the world and ammo shortages in some of the conflict zones, my guess is this dude that owns CSG is going to focus on producing and selling to military clients. I'm bummed about the whole thing. In spite of the lousy ammo you used, you still got some good groups given the wind in the big trees behind you. Cheers from the Land of Pritzker.
I mentioned on another video that this stuff has been trash in all my rifles. I'm actually surprised by how well your CZ shot it. Glad you are doing this. Maybe Federal will see this and up their rimfire game.
Curious if cleaning the ammo with alcohol to remove the cheap lubricity and then spray them with Hornady One-Shot for a dry lube would narrow the group. You were talking about grime in you mags perhaps that is the culprit.
I think the ammo is just not consistent but I have tried that with a few different ammunitions that were dry or a thick wax. Wiped that crap off and soaked it in beeswax with no difference at all.
I shoot a lot of .22 rf benchrest 25yd in the UK and one of the most popular brands is RWS R50 but its quite expensive. We also use Lapau Centre X, but that's gone from £163.00 a thousand to £230.00 a thousand, don't know how much RF ammo is in the US.
@@kindwarf the price is getting ridiculous, and very hard to find when you want it. Especially the good stuff like your talking about. But, that’s the stuff you need if you want anything remotely consistent. If you just want to pull a trigger and don’t care if you hit what you’re aiming at, buy American made .22.
Most rifles no matter what you paid for them can shoot good if you use a good ammunition. Actually, that’s what makes all the difference in my rifles. Those fantastic groups I shoot are a product of a decent quality barrel and a good ammunition. It makes all the difference.
Please try the Aguila Super Extra bulk pack 40 gr. and 38 gr. HV copper plated. I've had better luck with this stuff than Federal AutoMatch. I like your format a lot! Thanks!
Only bought it for the video. Wanted fresh off the shelf ammo Incase these manufacturers made improvements to there lines. Apparently, they didn’t. Lol
@@rayweir9903 the match (Bentz) chambers will always shoot better that a sporter in my experience. But honestly this series is the first time I’ve been able to bring myself to put bulk ammo through any of the rifles I depend on for precision. Lol so this is all new to me as well.
Don I bought some Browning Pro Hunt ammo it has a real weird crimp in the casing at the base of the bullet and I was getting 4" to 6" groups out of it at 50 yards surprisingly enough the Blaser junk shot real well.
That’s kinda a theme with .22lr, no matter who makes it. Lot to lot there’s a difference. Some manufacturers have larger differences than others. Seems to follow the price.
Don you seemed to mention by Eley Contact from the Eley website but while I can find data on it I can't find a link to buy it there. Can you help me out there? I'm using the Federal 49 gr Range Pack for my lever guns and pistols now.
I think I paid $65 for the 800 round range pack. It patterns like bird shot - 3 inches in my Winchester. It will just be plinking ammo along with my other bulk crap. My Savage B22 loves Contact best of the Eley I've shot. I try to order several boxes of it when I can find it.
@@arnoldmoos1791 I have a Mark II and Ruger 10/22 on order so with 800 rounds I have plenty to test with. Like most bulk it's still great for shooting steel and targets, just hasn't helped in precision.
That new Eley super duper long range seems to shoot bout like some federal auto match lol kinda seems like Eley flopped on that one… can’t wait for RWS to come back in stock
I seen that! I almost bought 2 bricks of it but figured someone else could test it. I did the same with the Norma Long range stuff. I figured if it was good then I’d buy some. Lol
Fair play for spend your own money on crap ammo. On a plus side we don't have any 22 ammo that cheap in the uk Cheapest stuff i can think of is rem golden bullet maybe one to add to the mix
Don I don't want to be so negative it not your videos I love your videos.what tic's me off is the USA can't make good 22 ammo.You have to get English or German ammo if you want good quality ammunition, and to me that is sad 🤔😟😟😟
Absolutely my point, and what would happen if shit goes bad and that ammunition is not available to us anymore. We’re stuck with this 💩! That thought is absolutely unacceptable to me, 😂
I know of no bulk ammo that shoots well. And to be truthful I know of no US .22lr ammo that shoots well. The main problem with US .22lr ammo is quality control. Try stripping down a box of Federal and weighing the bullet and powder load, you will be shocked.
Nah. It was fine. I shot a few groups right before with SK long range ammunition and I shot 3 groups under .25. That was my test before I wasted my time filming.
@@mlone7 I just did a video of the Winchester 333 white box and well let’s just say it didn’t do well. I just keep getting disappointed every week with this bulk ammunition.
@@jturner5227 I’ve got some BoreTech copper remover and it’s the best I’ve ever used. Let it sit for about 5 minutes then brush it out. Never had anything work like this stuff does. Easy Peasy.
Need to post the data for each rifle separately, not combined. Different rifles do better and worse with different types of ammunition. Quit blaming just the ammo. A rifle shoots good with one type and bad with another - it all has to do with the dimensions of the barrel and the ammunition.
The point of the videos are how this ammo shoots through a expensive match barrel and a stock sporter barreled rifle. This is a good representation of 2 different rifles and how they shoot this ammunition. If it shoots like crap out of both rifles and out of everyone rifles here in the comments, I think it’s probably the ammo….
@@RimfireSS I respectfully disagree. As a manufacturing guy for decades, a sample of one is the most dangerous. In this case, it was a sample of one expensive match barrel and one stock sporter barrel. I know as a normal person it’s nigh on impossible to have multiples of each, however, multiples from different manufacturers are needed. I myself have a rifle designed for long range that doesn’t shoot one specific ammo accurately whereas my all-around rifle shoots it quite accurately. But there again, that’s only a sample of one each…. Until I can shoot that same ammo through another long range rifle I have and three other general purpose rifles I have. Then I will make my “final” judgment about that specific ammo: A. It’s good for some rifles, I just have to shoot each one and see how accurate that specific ammo is in each one. B. It’s good for specific brand/model rifle combinations due to the dimensions they are manufactured to. C. It’s really so-so in every rifle. D. It shoots accurately in this one rifle, but no others. Thanks for Listening.
Curious if cleaning the ammo with alcohol to remove the cheap lubricity and then spray them with Hornady One-Shot for a dry lube would narrow the group. You were talking about grime in you mags perhaps that is the culprit.
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Thanks again for a comprehensive test. I appreciate your going to the extra time, effort, and expense to provide meaningful sample sizes (unlike so many other channels) under valid test conditions (unlike so many other channels 😉).
@@johnstewart2011 no problem. Thanks for commenting
Wow ! I am totally amazed that that was all the accuracy out of that with your fancy rifles. Cumberland Outdoorsman shoots this out of his stock Remington 581 and was surprised of the results he got. He also thought it was junk but bought a new box of it and they were very accurate for him. I do believe he sights in at 40 yards.
@@christinamoneyhan5688 like any ammo lot to lot performance is going to very. This lot was just not good.
@RimfireSS Many moons ago we used to joke about many production shops: When in doubt,,🤔....🤑 ship it out.😆
GM Don, I bought a bunch of that Bulk blue box garbage during a sale. I'd never tried it before. Except for Thunderbolts, it's the worst 22 I've ever shot or purchased. I get more FTF with this garbage than anything. I'd guess that 10% of each box isn't properly primed.
It looks pretty much like Federal is going to be sold to The Czechoslovak Group (CSG). The last hurdle is the shareholder vote. The deal includes the Federal, Remington, Speer, CCI, Hevi-Shot, and Alliant Powder brands. I haven't researched the numbers but if the new owner stops producing and selling ammo here, that's going to suck. With all the conflict in the world and ammo shortages in some of the conflict zones, my guess is this dude that owns CSG is going to focus on producing and selling to military clients. I'm bummed about the whole thing. In spite of the lousy ammo you used, you still got some good groups given the wind in the big trees behind you. Cheers from the Land of Pritzker.
@@TheRange7 you would think the Government would step in and stop that deal. Or the .22 market is going to go dry. Absolutely inexcusable.
@@RimfireSS Agreed my friend. One more way to tighten up the ammo for civilians. Gotta love this administration.
I’m liking the series!
@@rayweir9903 thanks man
Yes! Do test the CCI MiniMag ammo...36 gr and 40 gr. Thanks, keep 'em coming, like the format...
Good series. Great video editing!!!!😮
@@farleyjj1 thanks man
I mentioned on another video that this stuff has been trash in all my rifles. I'm actually surprised by how well your CZ shot it.
Glad you are doing this. Maybe Federal will see this and up their rimfire game.
@@sapago4166 way better than the Winchester 333. Your not going to be impressed. Lol it’s bad.
@RimfireSS lol. I can't wait to see it. I bet that one will ruffle some feathers.
Great vid Don. the only federal my 457 likes is the gold medal target! about on par with tac22. looking forward to the next one, Cheers
Curious if cleaning the ammo with alcohol to remove the cheap lubricity and then spray them with Hornady One-Shot for a dry lube would narrow the group. You were talking about grime in you mags perhaps that is the culprit.
I think the ammo is just not consistent but I have tried that with a few different ammunitions that were dry or a thick wax. Wiped that crap off and soaked it in beeswax with no difference at all.
🇦🇺😎👍Federal champion $69.90/525 or $649/5250 at a cheap place sth east Queensland Australia….. I thought that ammunition was bad value. Great video
Thank you
I shoot a lot of .22 rf benchrest 25yd in the UK and one of the most popular brands is RWS R50 but its quite expensive. We also use Lapau Centre X, but that's gone from £163.00 a thousand to £230.00 a thousand, don't know how much RF ammo is in the US.
@@kindwarf the price is getting ridiculous, and very hard to find when you want it. Especially the good stuff like your talking about. But, that’s the stuff you need if you want anything remotely consistent. If you just want to pull a trigger and don’t care if you hit what you’re aiming at, buy American made .22.
This confirms my experience with Federal bulk, although I have had better luck with automatch. My rifles are not as high dollar as yours.
Most rifles no matter what you paid for them can shoot good if you use a good ammunition. Actually, that’s what makes all the difference in my rifles. Those fantastic groups I shoot are a product of a decent quality barrel and a good ammunition. It makes all the difference.
Have you seen any of the squeeze bore barrels? I think VSeven makes one that sizes down to .20 and supposedly increases power and range
I was looking into that barrel but it looks like there out of business.
Please try the Aguila Super Extra bulk pack 40 gr. and 38 gr. HV copper plated. I've had better luck with this stuff than Federal AutoMatch. I like your format a lot! Thanks!
So, did you like the Aguila video? This a a few other comments we’re responsible for the testing of that ammunition. Keep the suggestions coming.
Thanks Don for this series. It answers a lot of questions. Mainly how cheap is “cheap” ammo. Again thanks!
Yeah, you used to be able to get good ammunition for 10c per round. This crap used to be like .05
Thats why you leave on Wally World shelf.
Thanks for this experiment 👍
Only bought it for the video. Wanted fresh off the shelf ammo Incase these manufacturers made improvements to there lines. Apparently, they didn’t. Lol
Thanks
Can you imagine how frustrating it must be to be a kid nowadays. The cheap stuff shot better than that with open sights
I know the feeling about that ammo i tried the 40 gr in my tikka bone stock rifle 1245 fps average,32 es,11.92 sd
I think the difference in bulk ammo shows up more in them high end barrels more so than regular spotter barrels with sporter cut chambers?
@@rayweir9903 the match (Bentz) chambers will always shoot better that a sporter in my experience. But honestly this series is the first time I’ve been able to bring myself to put bulk ammo through any of the rifles I depend on for precision. Lol so this is all new to me as well.
Don I bought some Browning Pro Hunt ammo it has a real weird crimp in the casing at the base of the bullet and I was getting 4" to 6" groups out of it at 50 yards surprisingly enough the Blaser junk shot real well.
I think I have some of that Browning here. Lol. I think the Blazer wasn’t horrible, it’s at #2 in the series so far.
As you will appreciate when you are shooting at a 2mm dot at 25 yds you need consistency, specialy if its windy.
Absolutely
I had good luck with Federal Auto-Match ... until I didn't. Lot to lot
That’s kinda a theme with .22lr, no matter who makes it. Lot to lot there’s a difference. Some manufacturers have larger differences than others. Seems to follow the price.
Don you seemed to mention by Eley Contact from the Eley website but while I can find data on it I can't find a link to buy it there. Can you help me out there? I'm using the Federal 49 gr Range Pack for my lever guns and pistols now.
I think I paid $65 for the 800 round range pack. It patterns like bird shot - 3 inches in my Winchester. It will just be plinking ammo along with my other bulk crap. My Savage B22 loves Contact best of the Eley I've shot. I try to order several boxes of it when I can find it.
I have in stock notifications at a few different site waiting for the Contact to come in. Hard to beat for the price.
I have seen the range pack shoot amazing for cheap stuff in a Douglas 28-inch barrel and in an old BSA Martini mark 2
@@arnoldmoos1791 I have a Mark II and Ruger 10/22 on order so with 800 rounds I have plenty to test with. Like most bulk it's still great for shooting steel and targets, just hasn't helped in precision.
By head spacing I mean wonder how crazy different the rim thickness is on the ammo
I know what you meant.
Really digging this cheap ammo stuff. Very interesting to see how much of a difference ammo actually makes. Are you planning on running any CVI SV?
That new Eley super duper long range seems to shoot bout like some federal auto match lol kinda seems like Eley flopped on that one… can’t wait for RWS to come back in stock
I seen that! I almost bought 2 bricks of it but figured someone else could test it. I did the same with the Norma Long range stuff. I figured if it was good then I’d buy some. Lol
Head spacing on the tika? Or maybe difference in custom barrel to factory?
Best bulk I have ever found has been federal automach. Which is kinda odd cause everything else federal STINKS.
AutoMatch is at the top of the list on the series so far.
I had similar results with the Federal Gold Medal ammo. It shot like bulk ammo. I stay away from Federal ammo.
It’s a shame, the gold metal match used to be a very good ammunition. It was used in the Olympics. Lol, not anymore.
Aguila Super Extra test?
Yep, it’s coming
Fair play for spend your own money on crap ammo.
On a plus side we don't have any 22 ammo that cheap in the uk
Cheapest stuff i can think of is rem golden bullet maybe one to add to the mix
I just bought a fresh box of it today for the next video.
Don I don't want to be so negative it not your videos I love your videos.what tic's me off is the USA can't make good 22 ammo.You have to get English or German ammo if you want good quality ammunition, and to me that is sad 🤔😟😟😟
Absolutely my point, and what would happen if shit goes bad and that ammunition is not available to us anymore. We’re stuck with this 💩! That thought is absolutely unacceptable to me, 😂
Cheap ammo is easy to come by in Cornwall UK but the good stuff is still hard to come buy. 😢
And that's the reason most folks think .22's aren't accurate!😮
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That crap is ok in pistols. I would not let a Lilja barrel near that caca!
Champion 40 grain used to b my go to but since ammo armageddon it's all gone down hill
Seems to be the case with ammunition across the board. No matter the caliber or manufacture none of it is what it once was.
To be fair CCI SV is 4 bucks a box and I think it’d do a lot better than that champion.
Worst ammo I ever used!!
Id rather shoot thumderbolts!!! ❤❤
Think Thunderbolts are going to be next.
@@RimfireSS 🇺🇸👍🏼🙏😜
I know of no bulk ammo that shoots well. And to be truthful I know of no US .22lr ammo that shoots well. The main problem with US .22lr ammo is quality control. Try stripping down a box of Federal and weighing the bullet and powder load, you will be shocked.
Try this out of stock barrel.
That’s what the Tikka is. Factory barreled action and trigger. Just has a PDC custom chassis.
Out of all the stuff ive tried that blue box stuff has probably been the worst
DON! I’d be afraid to put that stuff through a custom barrel😅
Lol, don’t think I wasn’t. I cringed every time I pulled the trigger.
Hedgerow or not...way too windy.
Nah. It was fine. I shot a few groups right before with SK long range ammunition and I shot 3 groups under .25. That was my test before I wasted my time filming.
Federal Blue Box shoots lousy in all my guns. About the only thing that kind of likes them is my pistols.
@@mlone7 I just did a video of the Winchester 333 white box and well let’s just say it didn’t do well. I just keep getting disappointed every week with this bulk ammunition.
Now you get to work on your copper removing skills.
@@jturner5227 I’ve got some BoreTech copper remover and it’s the best I’ve ever used. Let it sit for about 5 minutes then brush it out. Never had anything work like this stuff does. Easy Peasy.
@@RimfireSS boretech is amazing stuff.
💩Pew pew
Need to post the data for each rifle separately, not combined. Different rifles do better and worse with different types of ammunition. Quit blaming just the ammo. A rifle shoots good with one type and bad with another - it all has to do with the dimensions of the barrel and the ammunition.
The point of the videos are how this ammo shoots through a expensive match barrel and a stock sporter barreled rifle. This is a good representation of 2 different rifles and how they shoot this ammunition. If it shoots like crap out of both rifles and out of everyone rifles here in the comments, I think it’s probably the ammo….
@@RimfireSS I respectfully disagree. As a manufacturing guy for decades, a sample of one is the most dangerous. In this case, it was a sample of one expensive match barrel and one stock sporter barrel. I know as a normal person it’s nigh on impossible to have multiples of each, however, multiples from different manufacturers are needed.
I myself have a rifle designed for long range that doesn’t shoot one specific ammo accurately whereas my all-around rifle shoots it quite accurately. But there again, that’s only a sample of one each…. Until I can shoot that same ammo through another long range rifle I have and three other general purpose rifles I have.
Then I will make my “final” judgment about that specific ammo:
A. It’s good for some rifles, I just have to shoot each one and see how accurate that specific ammo is in each one.
B. It’s good for specific brand/model rifle combinations due to the dimensions they are manufactured to.
C. It’s really so-so in every rifle.
D. It shoots accurately in this one rifle, but no others.
Thanks for Listening.
Curious if cleaning the ammo with alcohol to remove the cheap lubricity and then spray them with Hornady One-Shot for a dry lube would narrow the group. You were talking about grime in you mags perhaps that is the culprit.