I was actually doing this last week in -18° which was kinda nice compared to the norm of -28°. The norma tac 22 and the Eley Contact have been my best so far. Thanks for an honest and cold video!! Good to see different ammo in different rifles.
Love the format of this content, your overlaid graphics, your results summary chart, and "up front" presentation style. I wish more content creators took notes from your videos like this! Keep up the great work!
I like that you try to keep costs down and that you tested these low budget ammos. By showing people that they can compete on a budget, there will be more competitors and after they go to a few matches they will gain confidence and enjoy it. It is a win-win.
I think when you see 3 shots in/nearly in one hole and two separated from the group it tells what the rifle is capable of and what the ammo will give you due to inconsistency. Good video.
I know there’s more of us that can only afford the less expensive stuff, I’d like to shoot some of the more expensive stuff but honestly I can’t really afford that. Well, I can afford it but honestly, I have other things that I’d like to spend my money on. Like race, cars and stuff. I’ve got way too many hobbies.
After shooting many 22lr matches, pistol and rifle, I found out it is very important to keep your 22lr ammo warm on a cold day. 22lr ammo can be very finicky in cold weather. I always keep my ammo inside my coat. Great videos.
I know folks who wipe the wax/grease off the rounds, get them dry, then lightly oil them when they're going to be shooting below 40deg F or so. Helps with the wax/sludge that slows things up.
What I meant by keeping 22lr ammo warm on cold days is due to the fact 22lr ammo can be very finicky. Especially during cold temperatures. Usually caused by the small amount of powder in each bullet and being rimfire. I certainly would not use oil on the bullets. Cold 22lr ammo can cause inconsistent accuracy. Good luck my friend.
I’m in my 3rd year of shooting base class/production class with a CZ 457 Varmit and a Cabelas scope. I did add a arca rail which has made a big difference this year. My ammo of choice is Eley Match followed by SK Rifle Match and SK Standard.
I think u Content makers get too hung up on the latest greatest thing that just came out. Often times that stuff is wildly priced and not affordable for most people. I’ve been trying to do stuff that’s more affordable, some of my stuff is expensive but most of it is budget minded. I love to shoot but I have too many hobbies to spend the long dollar on high dollar Chassis and RimX rifles.
I finally got my order of SK Std Plus from Optics Planet that I ordered in the spring as part of a larger order. I knew I would have to wait this long when I order and most places have been OOS anyway. Two out of 2 groups at 1 yards were 1 inch apart. The SK Semi Auto Rifle was sub-MOA with two groups at 50 yard but went well over at 100 yards with my Tikka. The new SK Std Plus I just received was 1 inch at 100 yards in the two groups I recently shot. I will try more of both. My T1X was well over 1 MOA on Eley Target but was sub-MOA on many Eley Force groups. Some groups with Tac-22 are sub MOA and some are well over so too inconsistent to be good but much better than what you experienced. The best ammo was Federal Champion I bought in Jan 2022 at Walmart when most stores had little ammo. It was 40 grain in 50-round boxes and they only had three. It was a good lot as recent Champion I bought was 1.5 or worse MOA. I think there has been too much variation in lots in the last few years when the ammo has even been available. I'd suggest you get a newer lot of SK Std Plus and retest.
@@RimfireSS I agree about inconsistency. One box of Federal Auto Match was giving me 0.9 MOA to 1.2 MOA group, much better than I expected, and better than Eley Target. The next box was worse as one would expect for bulk Federal. Some Federal Champion in 50-round boxes bought in Jan 2022 gave mostly sub-MOA. All I could find was 3 boxes. Recent Champion ammo I bought is not good. I assumed I got lucky with the 3 boxes. The two boxes of Eley Force that I got are good but probably not as good as the SK Std Plus.
THANKS for your videos - Try to watch them all. I am going to start shooting NRL22 in July. After suggestions from my MeWe group brothers I started weighing out my .22lr in grams and I did alot of ammo testing (at 50 yds) and with weighing them out it got rid of most of the flyers. I have a 10/22 with a Arken and a GM barrel on it, and WOW did it make a HUGE difference.
@@RimfireSS - Don, do you have you a GM, that could possibly, shoot on review? I would like to see how other ones do. Thanks and keep up the GREAT Videos !!!!!!!!
@@Mike-we4yp I was thinking about doing a Review on the GM but I’m not sure people would like it. The GMs shoot great but when you scope the barrel the inside is not to impressive when compared to a barrel like a KIDD or Shilen. The rifling is very choppy and heat stressed. But they shoot great. I did notice the other day where lead was building up on the choppy part of the rifling but that’s why there so cheap compared to the others. But you get what you pay for, right?
@@RimfireSS Don, so correct. I wanted to do NRL22 with an existing 22 that I already had. My barrel was $136 delivered. With all the prep I have been doing to get ready to shoot, it does very well for my needs. Just starting out, and by recommendations from others, it was a good place for me to begin. I dont have a bore scope so I doubt I would ever be able to tell the difference. Thanks much again, Mike
@@Mike-we4yp hey, it’s a good barrel don’t get me wrong. But there is a difference when you spend alittle more. There not more accurate just easier to clean.
I did subscribe because I too love Rimfire 22lr. Having immigrated from Ohio to Texas I decline to even watch you try to shoot precisely in freezing snowy conditions. I hate cold that much.
That's a nice rifle for under a Grand ! Wow you sure run that bolt⚡fast , that's as fast as my M4 🤣😂🤣. You gotta try CCI mag solid nose copper coated 1235 , my groups at 25yards are nickel size, ONE big hole all touching , no flyer's. I was very impressed with it ! Thanks for taking me to the range with you Buddy. Had a lot of fun 🤠 !
Great channel. Also liked your rifle comparisons. Have a 455 thumb hole. Put a 22wmg barrel on it. Bought an RPR for .22lr. Put in a trigger, bolt handle, vertical grip, area419 rail with level and a magpul bipod. Shoots decent with SK Pistol match and fun to shoot, but for all the money, should have just got the MTR to begin with. Rookie mistakes.
great video. I've been using the eley contact a lot. It has the odd flyer but it's cheap ammo and for the price it's really good, I likely wouldn't bring it to a match but great ammo when at the range practising.
Good stuff always shot alot of eley club it is lot sensitive and I was hoping the SK semi-auto would shoot bad but now the cat is out of the bag bin shooting SK semi-auto at a100 .the longer the barrel the better it shoots.Hope the price don't go up and far as the rest goes it is what your rifle like as you no
I sort my Aguila super extra 40gr lrn by rim size, I buy all I can when it is on sale for 4.99 a box vs 5.99, sorted like 9k rounds of the stuff last year, I have a lot more time than money, I do feel tho, I find that most of the really bad flyers are gone, and probably every 200 rounds or so, I find a really out of spec rim size that is like .043 vs usual .041's
Not a fan of TAC22. The bullet lube is extra goopy and messy if it's not freezing out and I can't ever get it to shoot. Armscor is some decent stuff for el cheapo ammo, only problem is about a 15% dud rate. Groups ok in all my factory guns(about 3 MOA) when it goes bang. Velocities are shockingly consistent. Good enough for range fun, plinking, training new shooters, and small game to about 25 yrds.
Ive been surprised to find that my 97 year old Winchester model 52 likes Federal Auto Match better than any other that Ive tried, so far. Ive shot 1/2 " center to center groups at 100. Its consistently under an inch and cheap to shoot.
@@RimfireSS My stock 10/22 rifles almost spray it at random. It is confusing. I've shot 3 325 count packs in the last couple weeks. Had three Fail to fire. The old target rifles have a longer barrel than most modern ones. Mine is 24 in. Maybe that makes it friendlier to cheap ammo? It shoots about anything decently, except stuff like the Remington bulk .
It’s horrible, I think they discounted that Match around Black Friday so low to get rid of it. Hopefully there next batch will be better. I see they raised the price to 9.89 I’ll never pay that. If I ever buy it again.
Thank you for the excellent and very informative and most importantly, candid videos.It can be difficult finding pure / honest info. regarding how a particular rifle / ammo combination shoot.Not on your channel though.Thanks and keep the videos coming.👍🏻Question please.What magnification do you typically use at 100 yards? Thanks.
Nope, I’d replace the stock before I did that. Although it’s somewhat adjustable with the grips and for-end being replaceable it’s still a plastic stock that’s somewhat flimsy.
I’m using the SH4 in this video, the SH4J has a lot better glass for a extra $40 I think there going to phase out this regular SH4. The glass is ok but not great, and some are better then others as far as the glass goes. But it’s a good scope for the money.
contact is great in my b14r. But you should try the semi-auto benchrest outlaw (sabo). Same projectile as contact I think just a little bit more quality control. SABO $6.75 a box contact $5.50
hi good video im in the uk and it all depends on the rifle itself you could buy 2 identicle rifles and they will shoot one round better than the other and likewise find a round your rifle likes and shoot with them even if it is very expensive ammo or cheep ammo its just what you have to do im a hunter and have a norico cz copy what i use for small ground game and it loves the eley hollow point sub sonic but hates eley tenix very expensive rounds ... from 50 up to 100 yards and for paper punching or target the sk standerd for my rifle ... ......................................................... but all rifles are bullet fussy
Oh absolutely we all know that each rifle is different. But some ammunition is more consistent then others and might have a better chance at shooting better in each rifle. And some don’t shoot good in anything. A lot of the US made ammunition is just terrible anymore. Your side of the pond is much better at it.
Maybe something changed with Aguila, cause you didnt say anything, but they have a strange smell when fired, and they seem to get my gun very dirty. So even when they shoot well, the gun mucks up after 100 rounds.
My wife and I use CCI Standard Velocity and Norma TAC-22 for practice. Usually the CCI if rifles and the Norma in my High Standard Supermatic Citation pistol. Obviously, your rifle didn't like the Norma TAC-22🤷♂ In bulk I can get them very cheap, under $4 box delivered. ($349-389 for 5000 rds.)
@@Djordano1976 dude, this is literally the first link that came up when I searched SK ballistic data. sk-ammunition.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/SK_TrajectoryChart_2022.png
Nice comparison...well done. I run Contact in all my Vintage iron sighted rifles...it'll do much better than I can without a scope...fun to shoot the old girls and do relatively well too.
The best group of my life, .400 at 100 yds, and the worst group of my life , 4 inches at 100 yds, was with cci standard velocity. I'll never figure it out.
@@sawhill729 have you checked your carbon ring? That can really screw thing up. Maybe you just need a good cleaning. That’s just a guess though. These barrels really don’t wear out from shooting subsonic ammunition with lead bullets.
So I haven't researched it as deeply as I probably should, but what's your opinion on "a bore has to have X number of rounds of the same ammo to season it before you will know how it groups with that ammo" old fudds tale or proven fact or...?
I have demonstrably proved this to be a fact, many times over. The primary cause of this is due to the different bullet lubes used by the manufacturers. When I am verifying lot numbers, I will segregate the ammo by manufacturer so I only have to “season” the bore when I change manufacturer and don’t waste a bunch of expensive ammo. Typically I will see a significant increase in accuracy after ten rounds and the final tightening of the group after the second ten rounds. I have won numerous bets at the range over this matter-a lot of folks don’t believe it until they see it themselves. The other thing that has a significant impact on accuracy is temperature, specifically cold temperatures. I make an effort to keep the ammo warmer when the O.A.T. is below 50 degrees. The coldest I’ve shot 22 rf is the low 40’s and the degradation in accuracy was noticeable until the ammunition, which had been sitting on the bench for a good while was warmed up.
@@danulman8837 so for example, if I have 9 types of 22lr from 3 manufacturers( 3 types from each manufacturer) and I want to see which one does best in my gun, I should 1st segregate by manufacturer, then shoot 5, 5-shot groups of each type, and clean between manufacturers? Or what would be a good "protocol" for testing 22LR such that I'm not wasting a ton of unnecessary shots(I have more than a couple of 22's to test), but still getting an accurate sample of how a specific ammo will likely perform in a specific gun? Bringing up the temperature issue, I'd be very interested to test which 22lr is the most temp stable, that would be fun, I've done a little temp stability testing in hand loads(and a lot of other people have too). I really appreciate your help.
@@joearledge1 to be clear, I don’t clean the rifle between ammo switches. Also I don’t shoot 25rounds out of each box. Example-I’m going to test three different kinds of SK ammo, Standard Plus, Long Range and Long Range Match. I’ve been shooting Eley Match so I will run twenty rounds of Standard Plus (the cheapest of the three) through the gun to season the bore and then shoot two five shot groups which is enough to tell if the gun likes it. Then I jump right into the next two boxes, shooting two five shot groups each. They all use the same bullet and lube so obviously no seasoning required for the second and third box.
Absolute fact, I didnt show it but I swabbed the barrel in-between ammunitions, but it still takes a few rounds to settle in. Thats why when i switched between ammunitions I didnt count the first group unless it shot good.
Great test! But, how do you account for groups within the same ammo going from horrible to the best in 5 strings? Any thoughts as to why? And when you have 2 great groups and 3 horrible groups with the same ammo, are the 3 bad groups the norm, or the 2 good groups? This has always plagued me when testing ammo. Whether I was shooting game or targets, I would hope that the first shot was where I was aiming, not the 20th. From what I see here, your setup doesn't like any of this stuff, because it just cannot be counted upon to put shots where you want them, WHEN you want them there.
Welcome to rimfire, ammo consistency woes. Generally the higher priced line of ammo within a brand is "suppose" to be the best most consistent they make with the tightest qc standards and as the price decreases the inconsistencies or "fliers" generally will be more often or pronounced. Also when choosing a hunting ammo in most cases what you need to be testing is the first or cold bore shot accuracy in general as in hunting that initial shot is important. As a barrel warms up of course many times its point of aim will change so foe hunting purpose when testing what the 10th or 15th consecutive shot does out of your rifle means little as compared to that first shot. With rimfire ammo one production lot number of a certain brand may shoot sub moa and a different lot number produced on a different day on the same machinery may not shoot anywhere near as well as a different lot number did. Rimfire shooting the ammo is one of the weak links out of your control to a degree. You buy it and hope what you bought shoots well out of your rifle but you do not know until after you start shooting it!
I know the ammo your talking about and unfortunately we were going from SK to Eley ammo and it took about 15 rounds for the barrel to “season” for that ammunition. So the new ammunition gets rid of the old lubricant and fouls it’s own in its place. When that happens it starts to group. This is why when I finally find a ammunition that shoots well in my rifle I usually stick to that ammunition.
I have not had much luck with SK rifle match lately. Used to be dead nuts, now I run into a lot of underpowered rounds and fliers. Been like this the last 5 bricks I’ve bought.
@@RimfireSS I run into a hot round on occasion with Rifle Match. I missed two targets an inch high at 200 yds on the 4x5" targets last .22 Sniper Match. I have a good Lot of Center-X that I will use at 200 yds. Lube is the same as Rifle Match. The Harrells tuner makes all the difference. I now have 6 bricks of Rifle Match that shoot 1/2 moa. The tuner makes the rifle insensitive to different Lots. My Savage TR prefers Eley SABR - same tuner. BTW are you seasoning the barrel between brands of ammo? The Eley Contact really tightened up in the last group. My TR loves Contact.
@@joed3264 yeah I seasoned between brands, but some seem to need more then others. When I went from SK to Eley that took like 20 rounds. Others didn’t need any. .22 never know what it’s gonna do….
Yeah, I’ve been having some technical difficulties. Lol, new mic setup. Probably should have read the directions. I fixed it but I wasn’t about to throw out the footage or reshoot it. Lol
Nice, your "cheap" is different than mine. Try some Federal automatch, American Eagle, and bulk federal and get back to me. Your ammo is not "cheap". It also does not have to cost an arm and a leg to shoot well.
I have better luck with subsonic ammunition for my shooting. All the bulk ammo is supersonic and really does not shoot that well from any of my rifles.
I see so many of these "ammo tests". What a waste of time. Every rifle is different, even the range model from the same manufacturer. They will all have a particular ammo that it likes. What shots MOA in my rifle, probably won't in another. Even the match ammo. My old Rem 580 loves SK Rifle Match. I can almost squeeze MOA out of it at 100 yrds south that ammo. A friend of mine has a custom Danish Bench rifle that will spray SKRM all over the place.
You are somewhat right, but there are ammunitions that shoot well in just about everything, and I’ve had some rifles that shot just about everything well. These videos give people a idea on what might shoot decent in there rifle and maybe a idea on some ammunition they never even thought of trying. I’ve had the same lot of ammunition shoot differently box to box. .22 is inconsistent at best and most shooters realize that. Buying any .22 ammunition is like rolling the dice, even the expensive stuff shoots like crap in some rifles. That’s the frustration of shooting this cartridge. But when you do find “the” ammunition that works best it sure is a ton of fun. Half the fun is all the shooting you get to do in the process. But waist of time? Not for me.
Wow your rifle really did not like that tac 22 crazy my ruger American RF LTR will shoot those .3 - .5 at 50 and .5-.9 at 100 I’ve seen a number of videos too where it’s shooting lights out but I’d have to say this video is the worst I’ve seen it shoot your rifle said no thanks to it
Honestly that ammunition was not stored correctly. We had a water intrusion where it was stored and several bricks were damaged. And some that didn’t look damaged fires but you can tell the powder is moist. Never thought I would get water where it was stored but lesson learned.
@@RimfireSS that’s rough floodings never fun but I get it that makes alot of sense for the performance if I’m out shooting and its wet or snowy and I drop a round I put it in my back pocket and pretty much write them off as a dud, load them in the last mag of the day after the pocket lint has acted as ghetto rice see if they light off some do some don’t that’s 22’s
Explain how you have measurement that are sub one inch on targets where impact with a .22 round are clearly 5 or six times that apart. Your target sticker are one inch or over and you have targets you score at 1.07 in where one round is in the bottom of the sticker and another clearly over 1/2 inch above the sticker I think you need some work on your measuring. Never the less the video did give us visual comparisons on the ammo performance so thank you for that
Thanks for this. This is sooooooo much like what most of us actually do, not what we dream of doing.
I hear you man.
I was actually doing this last week in -18° which was kinda nice compared to the norm of -28°. The norma tac 22 and the Eley Contact have been my best so far.
Thanks for an honest and cold video!! Good to see different ammo in different rifles.
Love the format of this content, your overlaid graphics, your results summary chart, and "up front" presentation style. I wish more content creators took notes from your videos like this! Keep up the great work!
@@Ridonkulous05 thank you!
I like that you try to keep costs down and that you tested these low budget ammos. By showing people that they can compete on a budget, there will be more competitors and after they go to a few matches they will gain confidence and enjoy it. It is a win-win.
Not everyone can afford the $10-30 per box ammunition and I think a lot of RUclipsrs forget that.
Aguila for 2.99 a box is a great deal for just getting out to get practice. Thanks for doing these vids. I hope you do more budget options
I never cared for the Norma tac22 either until I found that my Savage Mark II loves it. Also my lgs has it for $2.59 a box so I'm not complaining.
Thanks for taking time for this. I’m with you on Norma, never know what you’ll get.
So true
I think when you see 3 shots in/nearly in one hole and two separated from the group it tells what the rifle is capable of and what the ammo will give you due to inconsistency. Good video.
Thank you
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Another Don...
I know there’s more of us that can only afford the less expensive stuff, I’d like to shoot some of the more expensive stuff but honestly I can’t really afford that. Well, I can afford it but honestly, I have other things that I’d like to spend my money on. Like race, cars and stuff. I’ve got way too many hobbies.
After shooting many 22lr matches, pistol and rifle, I found out it is very important to keep your 22lr ammo warm on a cold day. 22lr ammo can be very finicky in cold weather. I always keep my ammo inside my coat. Great videos.
I know folks who wipe the wax/grease off the rounds, get them dry, then lightly oil them when they're going to be shooting below 40deg F or so. Helps with the wax/sludge that slows things up.
What I meant by keeping 22lr ammo warm on cold days is due to the fact 22lr ammo can be very finicky. Especially during cold temperatures. Usually caused by the small amount of powder in each bullet and being rimfire. I certainly would not use oil on the bullets. Cold 22lr ammo can cause inconsistent accuracy. Good luck my friend.
@@nilsforseth404 Thanks, I was thinking only about case lube issues. Powder sensitivity is another issue entirely.
I’m in my 3rd year of shooting base class/production class with a CZ 457 Varmit and a Cabelas scope. I did add a arca rail which has made a big difference this year. My ammo of choice is Eley Match followed by SK Rifle Match and SK Standard.
All good choices! I just wanted to try the cheap stuff and see if I was missing anything or if I could save a few bucks here or there. Lol
Yeah finally a good video I could relate to today. Thank you very much I really do enjoy your videos. I also am a 22 connoisseur
I think u Content makers get too hung up on the latest greatest thing that just came out. Often times that stuff is wildly priced and not affordable for most people. I’ve been trying to do stuff that’s more affordable, some of my stuff is expensive but most of it is budget minded. I love to shoot but I have too many hobbies to spend the long dollar on high dollar Chassis and RimX rifles.
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I finally got my order of SK Std Plus from Optics Planet that I ordered in the spring as part of a larger order. I knew I would have to wait this long when I order and most places have been OOS anyway. Two out of 2 groups at 1 yards were 1 inch apart. The SK Semi Auto Rifle was sub-MOA with two groups at 50 yard but went well over at 100 yards with my Tikka. The new SK Std Plus I just received was 1 inch at 100 yards in the two groups I recently shot. I will try more of both. My T1X was well over 1 MOA on Eley Target but was sub-MOA on many Eley Force groups. Some groups with Tac-22 are sub MOA and some are well over so too inconsistent to be good but much better than what you experienced. The best ammo was Federal Champion I bought in Jan 2022 at Walmart when most stores had little ammo. It was 40 grain in 50-round boxes and they only had three. It was a good lot as recent Champion I bought was 1.5 or worse MOA. I think there has been too much variation in lots in the last few years when the ammo has even been available. I'd suggest you get a newer lot of SK Std Plus and retest.
I have a case of it now and it shoots good. All this ammo have been inconsistent at best as of late. Makes it hard.
@@RimfireSS I agree about inconsistency. One box of Federal Auto Match was giving me 0.9 MOA to 1.2 MOA group, much better than I expected, and better than Eley Target. The next box was worse as one would expect for bulk Federal. Some Federal Champion in 50-round boxes bought in Jan 2022 gave mostly sub-MOA. All I could find was 3 boxes. Recent Champion ammo I bought is not good. I assumed I got lucky with the 3 boxes. The two boxes of Eley Force that I got are good but probably not as good as the SK Std Plus.
THANKS for your videos - Try to watch them all. I am going to start shooting NRL22 in July. After suggestions from my MeWe group brothers I started weighing out my .22lr in grams and I did alot of ammo testing (at 50 yds) and with weighing them out it got rid of most of the flyers. I have a 10/22 with a Arken and a GM barrel on it, and WOW did it make a HUGE difference.
Those GM barrels really shoot. Thanks for Watching.
@@RimfireSS - Don, do you have you a GM, that could possibly, shoot on review? I would like to see how other ones do. Thanks and keep up the GREAT Videos !!!!!!!!
@@Mike-we4yp I was thinking about doing a Review on the GM but I’m not sure people would like it. The GMs shoot great but when you scope the barrel the inside is not to impressive when compared to a barrel like a KIDD or Shilen. The rifling is very choppy and heat stressed. But they shoot great. I did notice the other day where lead was building up on the choppy part of the rifling but that’s why there so cheap compared to the others. But you get what you pay for, right?
@@RimfireSS Don, so correct. I wanted to do NRL22 with an existing 22 that I already had. My barrel was $136 delivered. With all the prep I have been doing to get ready to shoot, it does very well for my needs. Just starting out, and by recommendations from others, it was a good place for me to begin. I dont have a bore scope so I doubt I would ever be able to tell the difference. Thanks much again, Mike
@@Mike-we4yp hey, it’s a good barrel don’t get me wrong. But there is a difference when you spend alittle more. There not more accurate just easier to clean.
Pretty nice accuracy for the Aquila for 3 bucks a box. Thats plinking ammo prices.
Great videos hope you keep doing them. Love watching.
Things are trucking right along with the channel and I love making the videos so I’m not going anywhere. Thanks for watching.
I’m sure your subscribed but if your not it helps the channel tremendously so please do.
I did subscribe because I too love Rimfire 22lr.
Having immigrated from Ohio to Texas I decline to even watch you try to shoot precisely in freezing snowy conditions. I hate cold that much.
I hate it more!! Would move but my wife is set on staying here. The older I get the more I hate it!
Great review.
That's a nice rifle for under a Grand ! Wow you sure run that bolt⚡fast , that's as fast as my M4 🤣😂🤣. You gotta try CCI mag solid nose copper coated 1235 , my groups at 25yards are nickel size, ONE big hole all touching , no flyer's. I was very impressed with it ! Thanks for taking me to the range with you Buddy. Had a lot of fun 🤠 !
Your welcome, thanks for Watching
Great video and informative
Thanks Gary
Great channel. Also liked your rifle comparisons. Have a 455 thumb hole. Put a 22wmg barrel on it. Bought an RPR for .22lr. Put in a trigger, bolt handle, vertical grip, area419 rail with level and a magpul bipod. Shoots decent with SK Pistol match and fun to shoot, but for all the money, should have just got the MTR to begin with. Rookie mistakes.
I should have for sure.
My Tikka T1x absolutely loves Lapua pistol king,I've found when trying different loads shooting about 20 rounds 1st then start grouping
I’ll have to try it out. Thanks
@@RimfireSS I shoot in several 100 yard matches and have found it to be very consistent
great video. I've been using the eley contact a lot. It has the odd flyer but it's cheap ammo and for the price it's really good, I likely wouldn't bring it to a match but great ammo when at the range practising.
Hell yeah it is!
Informative
My cz457 likes the black Norma tac 22 and that Aguila
Good stuff always shot alot of eley club it is lot sensitive and I was hoping the SK semi-auto would shoot bad but now the cat is out of the bag bin shooting SK semi-auto at a100 .the longer the barrel the better it shoots.Hope the price don't go up and far as the rest goes it is what your rifle like as you no
I ordered 6 more bricks. Lol
I sort my Aguila super extra 40gr lrn by rim size, I buy all I can when it is on sale for 4.99 a box vs 5.99, sorted like 9k rounds of the stuff last year, I have a lot more time than money, I do feel tho, I find that most of the really bad flyers are gone, and probably every 200 rounds or so, I find a really out of spec rim size that is like .043 vs usual .041's
I was pretty impressed with the Aguila.
Not a fan of TAC22. The bullet lube is extra goopy and messy if it's not freezing out and I can't ever get it to shoot. Armscor is some decent stuff for el cheapo ammo, only problem is about a 15% dud rate. Groups ok in all my factory guns(about 3 MOA) when it goes bang. Velocities are shockingly consistent. Good enough for range fun, plinking, training new shooters, and small game to about 25 yrds.
Great Video
Thanks Juan.
Ive been surprised to find that my 97 year old Winchester model 52 likes Federal Auto Match better than any other that Ive tried, so far. Ive shot 1/2 " center to center groups at 100. Its consistently under an inch and cheap to shoot.
Wow that amazing! I’ve never had that kind of luck with Auto Match.
@@RimfireSS My stock 10/22 rifles almost spray it at random. It is confusing. I've shot 3 325 count packs in the last couple weeks. Had three Fail to fire. The old target rifles have a longer barrel than most modern ones. Mine is 24 in. Maybe that makes it friendlier to cheap ammo? It shoots about anything decently, except stuff like the Remington bulk .
@@ranchodeluxe1 I’ll try it in my 10/22 with the 28” barrel. Why not..
@@RimfireSS What's the twist rate in most modern guns? My Model 52 is 1:16.
@@ranchodeluxe1 same 1-16
You should do the same test with your Kidd supergrade
My CZ 457 likes the Eley Contact. At 50 yards it's hard to beat and at 100 it does good with one flier about every 10 shots.👍
That’s what I’m finding
You feel the same way I do about Norma, sometimes you get a box that drives tacks then you get one that looks like you shot a shotgun at the target.
It’s horrible, I think they discounted that Match around Black Friday so low to get rid of it. Hopefully there next batch will be better. I see they raised the price to 9.89 I’ll never pay that. If I ever buy it again.
@RimfireSS yea I haven't seen Norma under 9.99 around me. They're high if they think I'm going to pay that!
Aquila copper wash super is my go to cheap. Shoots great out of my 18 SS Match Heavy. Cant wait to get some Eley thru her
What barrel are you shooting? I’ve never heard of the Copper wash, is that a sub or supersonic round?
Thank you for the excellent and very informative and most importantly, candid videos.It can be difficult finding pure / honest info. regarding how a particular rifle / ammo combination shoot.Not on your channel though.Thanks and keep the videos coming.👍🏻Question please.What magnification do you typically use at 100 yards? Thanks.
Most of my scopes on the .22s are 5-25 and I run it up to max. Or to the point where it’s still clear. Depends on the scope really.
Good post. Thank you. Is that Tikka glass bed?
Nope, I’d replace the stock before I did that. Although it’s somewhat adjustable with the grips and for-end being replaceable it’s still a plastic stock that’s somewhat flimsy.
Great video thanks for posting. I missed the scope you're using. Can you tell me which Arkin it is?
I’m using the SH4 in this video, the SH4J has a lot better glass for a extra $40 I think there going to phase out this regular SH4. The glass is ok but not great, and some are better then others as far as the glass goes. But it’s a good scope for the money.
Well I was wrong with my guess. I thought it would SK standard and norma tac at the top
i know, crazy results. Norma has not been doing well for me.
contact is great in my b14r. But you should try the semi-auto benchrest outlaw (sabo). Same projectile as contact I think just a little bit more quality control. SABO $6.75 a box contact $5.50
I’ll order some. Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching
@@RimfireSS great content worth watching :-)
@@andybob9132 thanks Andy!
I think Norma black box is a 50/50 my ruger precision shoots this ammo great. Haven’t found any of the Norma red box
I had to order online to get the red box. But there out of stock now.
hi good video im in the uk and it all depends on the rifle itself you could buy 2 identicle rifles and they will shoot one round better than the other and likewise find a round your rifle likes and shoot with them even if it is very expensive ammo or cheep ammo its just what you have to do im a hunter and have a norico cz copy what i use for small ground game and it loves the eley hollow point sub sonic but hates eley tenix very expensive rounds ... from 50 up to 100 yards and for paper punching or target the sk standerd for my rifle ... ......................................................... but all rifles are bullet fussy
Oh absolutely we all know that each rifle is different. But some ammunition is more consistent then others and might have a better chance at shooting better in each rifle. And some don’t shoot good in anything. A lot of the US made ammunition is just terrible anymore. Your side of the pond is much better at it.
This is the rifle I got for my wife to get her into shooting. She loves it.
There good rifles, very accurate but sometimes they don’t cycle too good. At least mine doesn’t. Still need to look at that problem…
@@RimfireSS so far mine has been great with no issues. I only have 200 rounds so hopefully it stays reliable for me.
Maybe something changed with Aguila, cause you didnt say anything, but they have a strange smell when fired, and they seem to get my gun very dirty. So even when they shoot well, the gun mucks up after 100 rounds.
Yeah that not one of my favorites, just had to try it for the video.
My wife and I use CCI Standard Velocity and Norma TAC-22 for practice. Usually the CCI if rifles and the Norma in my High Standard Supermatic Citation pistol. Obviously, your rifle didn't like the Norma TAC-22🤷♂
In bulk I can get them very cheap, under $4 box delivered. ($349-389 for 5000 rds.)
SK Biathlon Sport works real good in my Tikka T1x 22lr.
Thanks Kent.
Norma tac 22 shoots great out my savage mk2 and mk2 fvsr but everything else it hates
Qual é o melhor Rifle 22 q vc já testou em agrupamento em 100 metros ?🇧🇷
Good afternoon Could you tell me where I can find ballistic coefficient data for Eley and SK cartridges. Thank you.
Right on there websites.
@@RimfireSS Could you send a link? I can't find either one!
@@RimfireSS does not work!
@@Djordano1976 dude, this is literally the first link that came up when I searched SK ballistic data.
sk-ammunition.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/SK_TrajectoryChart_2022.png
Nice comparison...well done.
I run Contact in all my Vintage iron sighted rifles...it'll do much better than I can without a scope...fun to shoot the old girls and do relatively well too.
The old rifles are fun and often times more accurate.
The best group of my life, .400 at 100 yds, and the worst group of my life , 4 inches at 100 yds, was with cci standard velocity. I'll never figure it out.
That’s pretty darn good for 100 yards. What rifle?
That’s pretty darn good for 100 yards. What rifle?
@@RimfireSS MyTony Kidd supergrade when it was brand new. Now it won't shoot a 6 inch group.
@@sawhill729 have you checked your carbon ring? That can really screw thing up. Maybe you just need a good cleaning. That’s just a guess though. These barrels really don’t wear out from shooting subsonic ammunition with lead bullets.
SK STD+ does not like the low temperature (see snow in the background).
Wish I had some standard to shoot. Lol can’t find any anywhere.
I Love shooting my Tikka t1x 22lr
I like mine too, it just pisses me off when it don’t eject rounds like it should. It has a great trigger and is plenty accurate.
So I haven't researched it as deeply as I probably should, but what's your opinion on "a bore has to have X number of rounds of the same ammo to season it before you will know how it groups with that ammo" old fudds tale or proven fact or...?
I have demonstrably proved this to be a fact, many times over. The primary cause of this is due to the different bullet lubes used by the manufacturers.
When I am verifying lot numbers, I will segregate the ammo by manufacturer so I only have to “season” the bore when I change manufacturer and don’t waste a bunch of expensive ammo. Typically I will see a significant increase in accuracy after ten rounds and the final tightening of the group after the second ten rounds.
I have won numerous bets at the range over this matter-a lot of folks don’t believe it until they see it themselves. The other thing that has a significant impact on accuracy is temperature, specifically cold temperatures. I make an effort to keep the ammo warmer when the O.A.T. is below 50 degrees. The coldest I’ve shot 22 rf is the low 40’s and the degradation in accuracy was noticeable until the ammunition, which had been sitting on the bench for a good while was warmed up.
@@danulman8837 so for example, if I have 9 types of 22lr from 3 manufacturers( 3 types from each manufacturer) and I want to see which one does best in my gun, I should 1st segregate by manufacturer, then shoot 5, 5-shot groups of each type, and clean between manufacturers? Or what would be a good "protocol" for testing 22LR such that I'm not wasting a ton of unnecessary shots(I have more than a couple of 22's to test), but still getting an accurate sample of how a specific ammo will likely perform in a specific gun? Bringing up the temperature issue, I'd be very interested to test which 22lr is the most temp stable, that would be fun, I've done a little temp stability testing in hand loads(and a lot of other people have too). I really appreciate your help.
@@joearledge1 to be clear, I don’t clean the rifle between ammo switches. Also I don’t shoot 25rounds out of each box. Example-I’m going to test three different kinds of SK ammo, Standard Plus, Long Range and Long Range Match. I’ve been shooting Eley Match so I will run twenty rounds of Standard Plus (the cheapest of the three) through the gun to season the bore and then shoot two five shot groups which is enough to tell if the gun likes it. Then I jump right into the next two boxes, shooting two five shot groups each. They all use the same bullet and lube so obviously no seasoning required for the second and third box.
@@danulman8837 Sounds good Sir, I'll give it a try as soon as possible. Thank you, I appreciate your help.
Absolute fact, I didnt show it but I swabbed the barrel in-between ammunitions, but it still takes a few rounds to settle in. Thats why when i switched between ammunitions I didnt count the first group unless it shot good.
That was an interesting video,. .btw, I got the same disappointing results with the Norma TAC 22 too and in my T1x.
What gives Norma?
Idk but word is traveling fast, hopefully there next shipment from RWS is better or people won’t buy it anymore.
@@RimfireSS I'm in Canada, and I assume that you are in the U.S. so this is not an isolated 'lot' issue.
@@regsparkes6507 nope it’s pretty much just bad.
What was up with the POI shift in the 3rd group of SK semi auto? Just wind or...?
Pretty sure it was the wind.
Great test! But, how do you account for groups within the same ammo going from horrible to the best in 5 strings? Any thoughts as to why? And when you have 2 great groups and 3 horrible groups with the same ammo, are the 3 bad groups the norm, or the 2 good groups? This has always plagued me when testing ammo. Whether I was shooting game or targets, I would hope that the first shot was where I was aiming, not the 20th. From what I see here, your setup doesn't like any of this stuff, because it just cannot be counted upon to put shots where you want them, WHEN you want them there.
Welcome to rimfire, ammo consistency woes.
Generally the higher priced line of ammo within a brand is "suppose" to be the best most consistent they make with the tightest qc standards and as the price decreases the inconsistencies or "fliers" generally will be more often or pronounced.
Also when choosing a hunting ammo in most cases what you need to be testing is the first or cold bore shot accuracy in general as in hunting that initial shot is important.
As a barrel warms up of course many times its point of aim will change so foe hunting purpose when testing what the 10th or 15th consecutive shot does out of your rifle means little as compared to that first shot.
With rimfire ammo one production lot number of a certain brand may shoot sub moa and a different lot number produced on a different day on the same machinery may not shoot anywhere near as well as a different lot number did.
Rimfire shooting the ammo is one of the weak links out of your control to a degree.
You buy it and hope what you bought shoots well out of your rifle but you do not know until after you start shooting it!
@@billwiley7216 👏👏👏👏 Couldn’t have said it better myself. Good Job Bill!
I know the ammo your talking about and unfortunately we were going from SK to Eley ammo and it took about 15 rounds for the barrel to “season” for that ammunition. So the new ammunition gets rid of the old lubricant and fouls it’s own in its place. When that happens it starts to group. This is why when I finally find a ammunition that shoots well in my rifle I usually stick to that ammunition.
Try SK Pistol Match Special,it might surprise you 🙃
I will. Thanks
CCI mini mag - it aint what it used to be.
Probably better off shooting Eley SABR or SK Rifle Match. I pay around $10 a box for either.
I have not had much luck with SK rifle match lately. Used to be dead nuts, now I run into a lot of underpowered rounds and fliers. Been like this the last 5 bricks I’ve bought.
@@RimfireSS I run into a hot round on occasion with Rifle Match. I missed two targets an inch high at 200 yds on the 4x5" targets last .22 Sniper Match. I have a good Lot of Center-X that I will use at 200 yds. Lube is the same as Rifle Match. The Harrells tuner makes all the difference. I now have 6 bricks of Rifle Match that shoot 1/2 moa. The tuner makes the rifle insensitive to different Lots. My Savage TR prefers Eley SABR - same tuner. BTW are you seasoning the barrel between brands of ammo? The Eley Contact really tightened up in the last group. My TR loves Contact.
@@joed3264 yeah I seasoned between brands, but some seem to need more then others. When I went from SK to Eley that took like 20 rounds. Others didn’t need any. .22 never know what it’s gonna do….
U don’t have a video same thing but shooting at 50yards ?
That's how the tac 22 does in all my rifles!🤦🏻♂️
CCI quality control has disappeared.😞
Eley subsonic hp.
Test was for subsonic, but if i ever have a need for super sonic ill try it out. Thanks.
Aguila is one of the most inconsistent on the market once I bought some and I actually got 15 duds out of a box of 50 so yeah it's worth the 2.99
First time I ever shot it.
You ever think about cleaning
Explain?
sound is out of sync and sounds kinda funky
Yeah, I’ve been having some technical difficulties. Lol, new mic setup. Probably should have read the directions. I fixed it but I wasn’t about to throw out the footage or reshoot it. Lol
Nice, your "cheap" is different than mine. Try some Federal automatch, American Eagle, and bulk federal and get back to me. Your ammo is not "cheap". It also does not have to cost an arm and a leg to shoot well.
I have better luck with subsonic ammunition for my shooting. All the bulk ammo is supersonic and really does not shoot that well from any of my rifles.
I see so many of these "ammo tests". What a waste of time. Every rifle is different, even the range model from the same manufacturer. They will all have a particular ammo that it likes. What shots MOA in my rifle, probably won't in another. Even the match ammo. My old Rem 580 loves SK Rifle Match. I can almost squeeze MOA out of it at 100 yrds south that ammo. A friend of mine has a custom Danish Bench rifle that will spray SKRM all over the place.
You are somewhat right, but there are ammunitions that shoot well in just about everything, and I’ve had some rifles that shot just about everything well. These videos give people a idea on what might shoot decent in there rifle and maybe a idea on some ammunition they never even thought of trying. I’ve had the same lot of ammunition shoot differently box to box. .22 is inconsistent at best and most shooters realize that. Buying any .22 ammunition is like rolling the dice, even the expensive stuff shoots like crap in some rifles. That’s the frustration of shooting this cartridge. But when you do find “the” ammunition that works best it sure is a ton of fun. Half the fun is all the shooting you get to do in the process. But waist of time? Not for me.
Wow your rifle really did not like that tac 22 crazy my ruger American RF LTR will shoot those .3 - .5 at 50 and .5-.9 at 100 I’ve seen a number of videos too where it’s shooting lights out but I’d have to say this video is the worst I’ve seen it shoot your rifle said no thanks to it
Honestly that ammunition was not stored correctly. We had a water intrusion where it was stored and several bricks were damaged. And some that didn’t look damaged fires but you can tell the powder is moist. Never thought I would get water where it was stored but lesson learned.
@@RimfireSS that’s rough floodings never fun but I get it that makes alot of sense for the performance if I’m out shooting and its wet or snowy and I drop a round I put it in my back pocket and pretty much write them off as a dud, load them in the last mag of the day after the pocket lint has acted as ghetto rice see if they light off some do some don’t that’s 22’s
@@Brentor14 I’ve been running them in my handguns and they P.O. off enough for decent accuracy at pistol distance.
I've used CCI sub's for years for Varmint control but this while back found them not as accurate and some go of like hi volicity
Yup. Same here.
Explain how you have measurement that are sub one inch on targets where impact with a .22 round are clearly 5 or six times that apart. Your target sticker are one inch or over and you have targets you score at 1.07 in where one round is in the bottom of the sticker and another clearly over 1/2 inch above the sticker
I think you need some work on your measuring. Never the less the video did give us visual comparisons on the ammo performance so thank you for that
Groups are measured center to center. Easy to say that it don’t look right until you put a micrometer on it. Happens to me all the time.
@@RimfireSS thanks for the quick reply