Wow this man makes it feel like I'm sitting in a room one on one with him. He speaks clearly with no room for interpreting things wrong. He's a true teacher
✔️Yeah. I'm starting to think that I 'probably' can't fire my .22 shorts out of my .22-250 or .223 WSSM firearms! It was years ago, I learned that, for 'some reason', my .22-250 cartridges couldn't be chambered in my grandfather's old .22 long revolver, even though the names of both cartridges start with ".22"! It's a phenomenon that I'm still trying to come to terms with....... It's all been SO confusing and frustrating! But now I know better, and knowledge is power! 🤪👍 💢👉Just joking. Obviously no one should attempt chambering OR firing incompatible .22 caliber cartridges! 👈
This is well explained. While I haven't experience this issue, I just assumed "22 Long" was shorthand for "22 Long rifle". Now I know better. Thank you.
My Grandfather bought a Sears Ranger .22 bolt action in 1940. The barrel is stamped.22 short, long, and long rifle. It was made by Savage and uses a detachable magazine. It will feed pretty much any .22 ammo we’ve ever fed it.
Just bought the same one from a pawnshop a month ago or so for way more than I should’ve come to find out it doesn’t even have a going pin in it. First time buying used, learned a valuable lesson lol
Generally, it's the .22 LR chambered semi-automatics that will have problems with the .22 Short and Long as those two rounds don't have enough power to reliably cycle the action and are often (rifles anyway) marked, ".22LR Only." There are exceptions to this and the Remington 552 is one of them.
long rifle was initially proposed to be a military round since you could kill men and you could carry many of them,,,,in the days when most guns were still muzzle loaders,,,,@@Neutercane
thanks to allen. most firearms experts just throw out terms and technology, this guy actually tells it to a normal dude like me in a way i understand, thank you.
@TheGhostOf RoyClarkSorry but I'm still right. I never said they were the same cartridge did I? No, obviously there's gotta be a difference between the two but the difference between the two 22 CALIBER cartridges isn't the diameter of the Bullet.
Back in 1954-55, when I was about 9 or 10, my dad took me to a small country fair and taught me how to shoot at one of those old shooting gallery's. When you talked about it, it brought back a lot of memories. He made me stand back and watch the other shooters. I asked him why, he said that we wanted a rifle that seemed more accurate. He explained that these rifles got a lot of use and it was not uncommon for them to have badly worn barrels.
At 71 I might be one of the youngest to have ever done this. Like you said, they were not accurate. Kind of like the M-16 I fired in my Chair Force basic training. I call it the "Chair Force" because we do most of our best work sitting down. If you absolutely need something to be totally destroyed call the Chair Force. I use the present tense because my oath to protect and defend the country and the constitution only ends when I die.
60 year old here from western PA. I recall being at a carnival, fair or amusement park and shooting a real 22 short. May have been one of the last few kids to enjoy shooting a real gun at such a venue! Great video here!
These shooting galleries used to be seen as a matter of national security, the British army said that they wouldn't have been able to rally enough men with sufficient shooting skills for ww1 and 2 without them. Now the concept seems crazy in america and ridiculous over here in Europe. Times sure have changed.
Yes it is very informative, especially for kid's today. Whether they need to know anything about weapon's, unless they live in a rural area or hunt is a good thing to ponder.😢
@@OldeEnglishOutfittersI’m an old boy from England 🇬🇧 as my ancestors missed the boat to 🇺🇸 and am an amateur Paul Harrell fan, and I find your video hugely complimentary to his videos. Thank you.
Nah, there was a little bit of BS. “If you’re old enough to remember the fairs use to have shooting galleries.” Not only do we still have shooting galleries, we even have them in Australia. I guess it’s just some people need to feel discriminated against, even when the scenario isn’t real.🤦♂️
I knew they were different, but I am just as guilty of using the terms interchangeably as everyone else. .22 short revolvers used to be popular "Saturday Night Specials" -- it has NEVER been legal to carry guns into a bar in Texas and still isn't to this day. So you just drop it onto the ground and walk away if there was a big fight and the cops were clearing out the doorway and you didn't get out in time. I don't care what is "popular" in gun culture.. drunks and guns do NOT mix.
I remember my dad and I shooting 22s at the fair. I'm only 57. The rifle was loaded through the butt stock. Mom mom let me use her dads Remington Sportsmaster when I was 10 or 12. It fired Shorts, Longs, Long Rifle in any order from a tube magazine. Good times.
Probably an older Browning SA-22! Loads into the stock, and they were the pick for carnival games, because they were takedown rifles, that transported easily, had simple replacement barrels and we're easy to operate
When in Ohio I shop at Olde English and appreciate this guy and the rest very much. Scott is also one of the guys that has serviced my request. This place is just fantastic.
Very detailed and easy to understand. I am 78 years old and have been shooting 22's all my life. I have NEVER even heard of a "long'. We always used LR. I don't remember seeing a long on the shelf where I bought ammo. The little guy, we always called a "CB". You're right on, you can barely hear that one go off. Thanks for you excellent presentation on this common ammo.
Excellent presentation, sir! I am old enough (79) to remember the fair shooting galleries, the .22 shorts, and the, usually, pump action rifles. Having shot .22's for many years, I can attest to their popularity, effectiveness, and accuracy. Well done!
Wow, sir! You're quite a... shall I say "seasoned" person to be posting comments on youtube. You've obviously done well to keep up with the times. It's sad to see what is happening in our beautiful country, and I'm in my 40s, so I can only imagine what someone such as yourself must be thinking about what we're seeing these days. Hell, what we've been seeing for years. The complete and utter lack of personal accountability/responsibility. The term "racist" thrown around indiscriminately to the point that it no longer means anything. Anyway, it just surprised me when I saw your age. I hope you're doing well, sir, us younger folks are not all completely lost. There's still some of us that were raised right and hate to see what's happening to this amazing country.
@@nerfcontent9429 Some of us "elders" know a thing or two about the internet and computers. It was our generation which developed the internet and the compact computers. I'm 72 and have been working with computers since the '70s. Learning is fun and having older people around will sometimes allow you to not reinvent the wheel. Enjoy your time.
When I was a youngster in the late 40s my dad went to an auction and brought home a Stevens bolt action .22. It ate any and everything I put in it. I shot a lot of varmints with shorts as well as longs and long rifles (on the occasions when I had the money). Maybe it's unusual but I still have it and to me it's a treasure.
Lol, I got mine when I was 8 years old used in 1959. I still have it and it is a treasure to me too and I will be hitting 70 years old in a few months. What is sad is I live in California and we have to shoot non lead bullets for hunting. I bought 4 or 5 boxes of 50 per box in the unleaded LR hollow points when they first came out. I sure hope they have perfected them since then.They were not very accurate.
In 1956 I was 8 and bro was ten we hunted squirrels and rabbits for food using our dads Stevens bolt action. I don't recall it ever having any issues other than it ate a lot of ammo. 1 shot 1 squirrel etc;. hillbilly home based 1/4 mile from the world famous Current river in the Mo. Ozarks. Those were the best of times for boys and girls and freedoms. No licenses no gun permits no one looked twice if we walked through town to get to the other woods to hunt in.Zoom! Hey ! Looky that's a new '56 Chevrolet!. Yep even at 8 and 10 we knew every make and year of the cars on the street, and we knew the sound of that 50 chevy torpedo with the talkin' straight pipes . Lol Man oh man, how I'd love to go back to that old swimming hole, where no matter how often we went, we'd find and then skip dozens of perfect arrowheads and long blades across the water, that's no exaggeration. They were as common as rocks in that area. Back then and that young they had no value to us.😱
I once had a 'store brand' Remington Speedmaster, JC Higgins or Revelation I think, with a long barrel and a tube magazine that held an insane amount of 22 shorts. Tons of fun long before Ruger 10-22 hi-capacity magazines were a thing. Though the 22 short doesn't get much respect, when S&W brought out their Model 1 revolver it was considered a good self-defense round. Of course before modern medicine, getting shot anywhere by anything meant a good chance of becoming dead soon. In an accurate rifle it still does excellently for small game with it's soft report not scaring the rest of the game away into the next county.
From Australia, thanks for the info. As a boy, the first gun I shot (other than the air rifle) was a 22 (short). I have a great respect for the 22. I have a 22, 22 magnam and a 222. Good video.
@@jameselliott1581 No there is a few calibers 223, 308, 9mm, etc you can get here in Australia but you've got to have a license for whatever gun you have, every state has different laws I think the largest is 50 cal apparently only 15 people in western Australia have a license for a 50 cal all good
I clicked on this thinking it was a UK channel. That said, when I took my Army shooting test back in 1972, we used 303 Lee Enfields on the outdoor range and 22 on the 25yd indoor range. Looking at the lineup here, we were using the 22 Short. That said, whatever calibre we were using it was always HYA type - 'Here's Your Ammo.'
Not knowing anything about this guy...the first thing I want to say is "YES SGT. MAJOR"! He certainly delivers the command and certainly deserves the respect! Thank you sir for the lesson. I'm probably older than he is...but he knows what he's talking about.
I learned something today. THANK YOU. A jaded boomer here, never owned a firearm, but always had an interest in handguns and fired a few bigger calibers.
Yah I grew up shooting my dads as a kid. Now what I would like to know what my grandpa's revolver was cause it actually held 8 rounds, but sadly when he passed on of my other cus got it and he has since pawned his guns away. I was luck to get his 30-06 cause he gave it to my dad years ago when he couldn't shoot it any more and since dad passed it to me.
@@likeorasgod My father has a nine round revolver from well before the 70's. It is stamped Western Auto, nickel with white handles. Looks Ivory, but it's a plastic of some sort. Took him 3 shots, but he hit a gopher at over 50 yards with it.
I totally agree. I absolutely love my Rough Rider. I shot some shorts with it a few weeks ago. I felt embarrassed at the range. That little "pewp". I could feel the eyes looking at me and laughing lol
Well done. Gotta love dry humor. He strikes me as 'the knowledgeable (incredibly dangerous) old guy' in a young man's profession. He's the guy you want for your next door neighbor.
I just got a 22lr and seen some of the magnum ammo in the store and was wondering and knew they wouldn't fit but glad I found this video to explain more about the different ones they have out there. I do appreciate it sir.
At 85 years I have always loved the 22 caliber. It is the caliber far best for beginners and can be enjoyed for the rest of one's life. Back in my teens and twenties 22 long rifle traded at .50 cents a box or five dollars per carton. Most shooters I knew wanted cartons but most could not afford case lots. Enjoy the most versatile and available cartridge in the world.
Thank you for a very comprehensive clip on the .22 bullets, very interesting Allen, I enjoyed that. About 40 years ago I bought two plastic containers of the smallest version that you show here, mine have a lead bb pressed into the case, no powder, just the cap to make them go and man I wouldn't want one in my head! They are called .22 BB Cap or 6mm Flobert. Over 50 yards they can drop a rabbit and make almost no sound via the silencer, quieter than a .22 air rifle. I have some left but at 76 years old, there's no neighbours I need to shoot any more. That's a joke, albeit crap. I have tried to buy more of the little bullets but the gun dealers over here in New Zealand have never seen them. No matter, I've had some fun with them and still have a few left. I recently bought my first .22 Chiappa Magnum and when I let loose it sounds like all hell is breaking loose, crazy how much noise from such a small bullet. My guns are pretty much just for my to look at these days but I'm so glad I grew up to be able to own .22's. I got my first one at age 18 which is old for most guys to own a gun I guess, it was a Lithgow youth rifle. Just recently I moved into my second childhood and bought one exactly the same, just to make me happy. This is called hanging on, getting old....bugger! You responsible people with guns, enjoy them while you are able. Kind regards, keep yer powder dry. Ray Rotorua. New Zealand
Find an dealer who van supply sellier & bellot. Chzech made ammo. They make those caps you mention. They do have just a tad of smokeless in them. Ask for .22/5.6 flobert CB(conical ballen) not 6mm flobert BB wich is actually 6mm and used in ancient floberts. Those buggers put out 39 joules/28fpe. Quit little rounds, come in black plastic "tins" with an picture of 1 of 1 of these rounds.
I remember us kids bringing our 22 s and .410 or 20 gauge shotguns to school and keeping them in our lockers so we could go hunting as soon as school let out. We could see the woods and fields from the school. It was no big deal. Now look at the mess we’re in!
@@wapiti3750 Never took one to school but would walk, through the city with .22 rifles to go to the shooting range or hunting, over the years only got asked one time by the police where we were going as long as it was in a case or had the bolt removed no problem I had a semi so had a cloth case with one strap over the but of the rifle, and a pocket on the side for ammo. just a canvas case with about 6" of the stock sticking above the canvas, my friend would just take the bolt out and stick it in his pocket. How things have changed. some of the schools in Ontario even had inside shooting ranges, in Newfoundland, we went the the air cadets where they supplied the rifles and ammo free of charge. Could you imagen now having inside shooting ranges on the main street of a major city, and teen agers caring there rifles to them. And there were no mass shootings back then, you learned respect of the rifles and would never even thinking of pointing even a unloaded rifle at any one or any thing you were not going to shoot.
Although I’m an old fart w 50 yrs experience and knew most of this (except the history) I have to say this is the best video presentation on 22 rimfire that I’ve ever seen. Succinct, to the point and very well done. Thanks for posting. Alan’s videos are some of the best.
I have fond memories of attending the annual county fair in my town and I always ended up at the shooting gallery. The ones we had were .22 short, semi-auto rifles and the goal was to shoot the red star out of the target paper using only so many shots. The rifles would be laid out on the shooting table for anybody to walk up and shoot. I remember sometime in the mid-to-late 1970's the rifles were then mounted on a stanchion post and had very limited movement (side to side a few degrees and up & down). This change occurred because of the idiots out there who, instead of firing at the targets, decided to turn around and start firing into the crowd. I even recall Disney World had them in Frontier Land the first couple years after opening in 1971 but they too would soon change like all the rest. Full-auto BB rifles were also popular around the same time, which were pneumatic and had air hoses connected to them, and they too employed the limited movement stanchion post method to prevent idiots from hurting the innocent. Those .22 rifles and full-auto BB's were loads of fun and I couldn't wait to get my own .22 rifle and I thoroughly enjoyed mine. I also recall in the mid 70's there was a full-auto BB rifle you could buy that used a 12 oz can of R12 refrigerant as the propellent. Back then you could buy CASES of R12 for .35 cents a can so it was cheap as dirt to begin with. I remember wanting one of those full-auto BB rifles but was never willing to spend the money for one. I always found it interesting how people were always quick to say your little 22 "won't do jack", yet it's strange how no one ever volunteers to be shot with one... lol
I remember them from the 1950's They were on a short chain , and used clay -style bullets. Had strip style magazines that often jammed.. They were a lot of fun. The good ole days ----
@@robertboreman7672 Correct. The rifles were originally attached to a short, thin chain and several of them would be laid out on the shooting table, and yes, they had tubular/strip magazines and I remember the worker would reload the rifles using an external tubular "loader" that was pre-loaded with the cartridge of choice. They would open the front of the magazine and align the loader against the front of the magazine on the rifle, tilt it upward until the all the cartridges slid down into the rifle. This was much faster than loading them one cartridge at a time the way I used to load my old Remington .22LR ! Times were sure simpler back then.
I still remember in the 90s they had that same game with BB guns with just the cord. Needless to say I went to the fair this year and they didn't even have toy guns much less a place to shoot.
I’m a prospective new shooter of .22 and this was a really excellent class for me. Cleared up a lot of questions for me. I will certainly be able to avoid making mistakes on ammo purchases. Thanks for clear, concise style.
I used to have a Stevens bolt-action tube-fed rifle that took shorts, long and long rifles without a problem and yes I remember shooting galleries using live ammo. Very informative video, Thank you for making it.
Thank you, Old English Outfitters for such a kindly informative video on a historical evolution of the most common round(s). I was raised in a home where we learned such things, but history of common items gets murky and lost. Often the learned men and women just forget to mention such things and occasionally mention it in a discouraging way since keyboarding has replaced face to face instruction in almost all venues of learning. Another comment said it feels like I am in the room for a one on one. And it does!! Thanks again.
Well done and explained. I recall the boardwalk 22 shorts. I own a pump called the gallery model from Brazil, its what the boardwalk people used. So much fun to shoot. I also have a revolver with two cylinders, 22 LR and 22 WMR. what a weapon.
is your pump .22 by any chance a Rossi? I have one, but I don't think it is a gallery model. Dad bought it for me when I was 14 for a reward of doing better in Algebra class.
The cartridge shown is a CB cap - the bbcap has a .177 bb crimped into the end of the cartridge. Don't confuse this with the .22 moskeet (which was a .22 smoothbore shotgun)...
Thanks Allen, As you can see I watched this a year ago and wanted to mention that I used to have a Winchester Model 1906, It was a pump action chambered for .22 short, long and long rifle, This is a very good video presentation, Thank You Sir, Best Wishes. 👍 🇺🇸
@@twmbwen1402 Why? Many young men receive their first rifle at 10 or 12. At 12 I would grab my .22 after school and walk along the river or thru the fields. Good times.
Wish he had included the .22 Remington Special (A.K.A. ".22 WRF) -- the predecessor of the .22 Winchester Magnum. It will typically work in .22 Magnum firearms (except auto-loaders); and, yes, they still make the ammo! But, aside from my personal preferences, Allen did an EXCELLENT job of providing a new-shooter introduction!
Agreed. There are also older guns out there chambered for this caliber that a person can run into and they are occasionally advertised incorrectly as 22LR. Can only give the video a "C" grade. Average.
Very good, informative video. Thank you for explaining in everyday language to those who are newcomers to the .22 (and even some that have been around for a while). I own a Winchester model 62, pump action rifle. It was made in 1946 (I was made in 1949). It is what is commonly called a “gallery gun”, stamped on the barrel is chambered for .22 short, long, long rifle. It cycles all of them flawlessly to this day (if you can find shorts or longs). I have owned this since 1959. It has been in the family since 1946, I am the 2nd owner. I can remember when I was a kid my dad would get me 2 bricks of longs (1k rounds) for Christmas, they would last almost the whole year (I grew up in Southern California (LA). Naturally I really looked forward to Christmas.
I had inherited a Ruger .22 Single six. I have the Regular cylinder (LR, long, and short) on it but also I have the magnum cylinder with it as well that had some old bullets in it. I knew it was the magnum cylinder but this video allowed me to identify the old bullets in it were just longs and not LRs and not even the right type for the cylinder. Glad I never tried to fire it with those in it. Thank you for this!
I can understand the frustration with customers owning firearms and not the correct ammo it uses. I guess that goes along with why I’m shocked at all the commenters young and old that didn’t know the different sizes of this ammunition. I’m 71 and been shooting .22’s all my life. My dad brought home from the war a beautiful 1936 Mauser smallbore rifle that I still have today and it has to be the most accurate 22 I’ve ever shot. I shot USAF small bore comp with the bull barrel match grades and that Mauser shot just as accurate. I trained my two daughters on it who are excellent shooters today and CCW carry every where they go. At 10yrs old they knew the difference of the various sizes of 22 cartridge. Great presentation and glad your educating gun owners, thank you.
Hell yeah! Safety is bullshit, I love to drink and drive and I never wear a seatbelt! I've never been hurt myself, but the three children I've run over are all dead.
Loved your presentation! Your "BB cap" may be a "CB" cap, or Conical Bulleted Cap. The BB cap, according to my 101 year old father, had a round lead ball.
Over a hundred years ago, after a meal with friends, people would sometimes target shoot in their living rooms! I have one of these FLOBERT PARLOR GUNS designed for .22 BB caps. For good or ill, things are sure different today !
Excellent video. I have been a shooter/hunter for about 34 years now and I have to say you were so clear and concise in explaining the differences and the how’s and whys of it all. I even learned a little myself. I am definitely subscribing to this channel. Big thumbs up and keep up the excellent work.
Very fun! For anyone wondering, since he didn't cover it, the .22 magnum/WMR was the "Johnny Come Lately" of the modern group there. It was developed in 1959!😁
My Dad taught me to shoot his 22 rifle when I was about 6 or 7. After what seemed like forever in training, he gave me his 22, and 2 bullets, and he sent me off into the woods. I knew then that I was a "man". Of course I never fired either of those valuable 22 bullets.
I have my father's Remington 22 rifle that his father bought him when he was 16 dad was born in 1935 his rifle is a tube fed semi auto and is capable of shooting 22 long rifle or 22 shorts ! Very accurate rifle still today fun to shoot !
Being a rimfire fan I have a few arms chambered in .22 rimfire. Favorite is my Ruger KNR-5 convertible. Those teeny weeny ones I've shot back in the 1980's. The Flobert-Patronen 6mm by Nobel. They came in a yellow and red plastic "compact style" container. The cartridges have a little acorn as their head stamp. I shot them from an Ithaca 49 Saddle gun. Interesting video and well done.
We always hunted squirrels with .22 long rifle when I was a kid. Much easier to bag them with a .410, but we preferred the challenge and not having to pick the shot out of the squirrels. And they were quite tasty!
I too am old and a relatively new shooter so I appreciate not being condescended to and I really appreciate being educated in a respectful manner. Thank you.
I remember those carnival days! I always thought, somehow, the carnival guys were shysters because it was nearly impossible to shoot out the entire red star target - they always seem to find a whisker of red paper and deny the prize. This is a great, great lesson on the history of the 0.22. Thank you !!
For anyone interested: the game is rigged, basically. Using physics. The more holes you poke in a sheet of something flexible (like paper), the less resistance it'll have to oncoming objects. You can't shoot *through* a piece of paper if it just *bends* out of the way. Get down to the last bit, there's really no structural integrity to shoot away. Or if they're not as blatant they'll have the paper held taught on a backstop. But there's ways of fudging that one too.
@Snargfargle yyuuuup. At the end of the day they're designed to make money, and nothing does that better by concealing luck based games as skill based, getting you 99% of the way there but not 100, or just making it so quick to play you don't mind multiple tries. For anyone: go check Mark Rober's video about carnivals
Thank you for an excellent presentation. In the UK in the 1960's at fairgrounds I have fired pump action . 22 shorts at various targets including moving ducks and ping pong balls riding jets of water together with glass and crockery targets mounted on herringbone steel pin carriers. A large steel plate at the rear provided the necessary safety backstop. The ammunition I recall was branded "spatter proof" or "spatterpruf" which I guess was a type of segmented bullet. Sadly all such shooting fun at fairs has long since vanished. I now own a Remington 550 semi automatic rifle which will handle both .22 shorts and .22 long rifle and the irony is that I have not been able to try the shorts as I cannot obtain them in the UK !
YES!! I remember this very well, first experience at the fair attached to Bertram Mills circus at the Olympia, that would have been in the 60’s but when I first took my kids to the local fair, probably about ‘84, the rifle ranges were still operating. I remember the pumps were mostly Winchester and the semi’s were Remington that I noticed.
I have a Ruger Wrangler and a Henry 001 lever classic. They are chambered for shorts longs and long rifle. Weather plinking in the back yard or hunting you can pick the speed and bullet you need.
You sound like us, we have a half dozen .22s, and plenty of assorted ammo types and brands...I buy bulk .22 continuously, and throw in a box of either oddball or 'better' ammo on occasion...cheap plinking rules...!
My first rifle was a hand-me-down Remington Model 552 Speedmaster semi-auto rifle with a Bushnell 4x15 scope and I used to shoot bricks of whatever was on sale when I was a kid - short/long/LR - all day long without complaint. I was ready to jump on here to correct you until I thought better of it and did a little research. I never knew that my grandfathers hand-me-down was so unique and of good quality. It wasn't until I started buying .22 pistols that I even knew that the round was prone to misfires/light strikes. Good information and thank you for helping me realize what I gem I have always had.
I believe the main thing with primer powered cartridges in rifles is barrel length - the expanded gas from the primer doesn't even quite fill the volume of the barrel, so at the end of the bullet's travel in the barrel it's actually got a relative vacuum behind it. They were designed for short-barrelled gallery rifles (or indeed revolvers) for fairgrounds and so on, I think. I know here in the UK sub-sonic LR for pest control is very popular
One of the primer only .22 cartridge makers actually specified for use only in revolvers. There just isn't enough energy for the bullet to make it out the length of a rifle barrel and could get stuck there. It would also be dangerous since the shooter might not even be aware of what happened and subsequently shoot down a blocked barrel.
Guilty- gotta inspect the box lettering while excited to find ammo on the shelf. Bought 22 short instead of long rifle for Ruger LCP 2. Oh well, bought a Ruger Wrangler 22lr to use the 22 short up- best mistake a person addicted to buying guns can make.
Excellent synopsis. I really like this gentleman, and he was perfect for this. Thorough, yet simple and straight to the point. Long time shooter myself and I didn't even know of the .22 BB Cap and have only heard of .22 Long in passing. Very educational even for most of us who know guns. This was so good I'm subscribing.
I have two of my grandfather's single shot 22s that are sitting in my stepdad's safe currently. One of these days I need to pick them up and have a smith check them out to make sure they are safe to shoot (probably are).
Survival with iron lungs was much better than modern intubation, which produces a stiffening of lung tissue over time a n eventual death .Also, esophegaeal sores are created by the sealing surface of the breathing tube. But iron lungs are much, much more expensive. I used to work in a special care unit where nearly everyone was intubated. Give me an iron lung anyday. It doesn't require heavy sedation because of the misery of the experience, like intubation often requires.
Liberal mentality, sue everyone for every time u get a little scratch or a hurt feeling ruined everything. Took my kids to my favorite childhood park the other day telling them how cool the play ground was. I was disappointed to see now its just a rubber mat with a couple swings and a slide about 3 feet high. Money bars so close to the ground even my 5 year old can reach the floor instead of swinging. When i was a kid there was big tower with a huge slide probably 20’ 25’ high, ropes ladders, monkey bars, that thing u hold on to with a track that slides so u can zip across to the other tower. They were at least 10’ 15’ off the ground there was lower ones for the younger kids too. Oh and of course the tire swing. Yeah i got hurt sometimes but that was part of being a kid suing the city never crossed my parents minds. The way these liberal parents rase their kids now is so sad. I feel bad for the future my kids will have to deal with.
Sorry, The one on your left is a CB cap. The smallest one (commercially) is the BB cap. It is round like a bb. I will get a pic of one of mine for you. I think they are/were made by RWS.
When I was 12 my uncle gave me a single shot 22 rifle... I lived on a farm in Texas...well come Dove season he got Me a single shot 410 ...this was in the 50’s...At Fort Polk I shot Expert with the M14 and the M16...Wonder Why...😜🤠🎯🥊❤️
Finally, after an embarrassing couple of years I fully understand the differences. Thank you for the video, sir. Explained in an informative & simple matter for any level gun owner to comprehend.
Great informative video. I like that Allen explains how energy is lost by auto or semi chambering vs manual. A point MANY people do not realize nor consider.
No that's not what he was saying and it's not true. What he meant is that a 22 short won't cycle a semi auto. Semi autos use a direct blowback action that needs more power than the short can provide. Not that bolt or lever guns shoot the bullets faster. The deviation of velocity from 1 bullet to the next completely negates that.
If you can find the 22 CB rounds they make a great pair with single shot youth rifles like the Crickets or Savage Rascals. It's barely louder than a bb gun with a bolt action setup, and at the range most kids start out learning at there is still enough energy to give steel targets a satisfying ring. My kids loved using those when they were younger. It was like shooting with a suppressor. I wish they weren't so hard to find these days.
Don't know what model it is but my Grandfather's Winchester bolt action with no mag, strictly load one at a time, works with short, long and long rifle. Even stamped as such. I think I was told he bought it in the 1930's. I grew up shooting that and thought all .22 bolt actions would work with all 3. Learn something new every day.
The issue with bolt actions is that most feed from a box magazine, and box magazines tend to be sensitive to ammunition length. Tube magazines are likely to work better, as they pop the round back onto an elevator that brings it up in line with the chamber, so it feeds straight in. With a box magazine, it's pretty important that the base of the cartridge is released at the right time to align the round with the chamber. With a much shorter than expected round, the base of the round will pop out before the bullet has started into the chamber, allowing it to twist around and miss the chamber.
Many years ago my Dad sent me to the store to buy a couple of boxes of .22 LR's. I bought .22 longs. That was the last time I made that mistake, and I guarantee you I learned the difference between the two on that day!
Thank you, I'm one of the new* This was just what I needed! Very simple to understand. There was no jumping around to a million. Different topics... the very basics.
I had a Savage Mark II TRR-SR bolt action that could shoot the LR, long, and short. It also could shoot 22 CB caps. The short and CB can misfeed from the mag sometimes though. Shooting the 22LR can be tough, especially at longer ranges. It makes a great round to learn on. Shooting a flat trajectory cartridge is easy at most gun ranges (~200yds max). Try a 22LR at that range and you'll learn about bullet drop real fast.
Helpful & definitely Worth the time to watch..NICE & CLEAR Would like to see other videos of similar content..(Styles of bullets & benefits Etc) Hollow points vs ball vs pointed & So on. Thanks & ApprrcYour Time!
.22 Short and .22 Long will work in a .22 LR semiautomatic. Thing is, you have to insert them into the chamber individually, then cycle the action manually.
I bet he can remember when Longs were .60 per box and LR high Velocity was .90 per box. I do. I personally wiped out the bubonic Squirrel plague problem in California in ‘75, Steven’s single shot bolt action with a Tasco $6 dollar scope, can of Coke and a PBJ - all day event snipping ground squirrels. I own 3 safes full of god knows what- my .22’s with the grandkids provide me the most enjoyment.
Thank you for this video. I knew about the short round, the long rifle, and the magnum (which I love), but had completely forgotten about the long round, and never knew about the BB cap. Thanks so much.
I just bought a box of 60gr sss rounds from you and they run like a top in my 21a bobcat I think the combination of the short case (no ejector) and the heavy bullet make this ideal for me thank you guys for being the best local gun store around!
Correct! Still have mine and inherited my Dads. Got my 552 for my 9th birthday loooong time ago. Growing up in the country, there was sometimes a need for all three 22's.
Wish the title had been "22 Ammunition: The Long and Short of It."
Just looking at him, you know he's not that "poetic".
I agree with you
The long the short and the shortage
I see what you did there.
In a series on cartridges, I think we need a .38 special, or a magazine article
Wow this man makes it feel like I'm sitting in a room one on one with him. He speaks clearly with no room for interpreting things wrong. He's a true teacher
@Smash and Grab Crypto same here, somewhat
He's the jedi master of caliber 22's.
@@jojolubag605 this is so accurate that it is actually kind of scary
Its almost like having a real Dad
#Facts
This guy makes one hell of a teacher. So on point and such a wealth of knowledge. Thank you.
he read about it ten minutes before he made the video
✔️Yeah. I'm starting to think that I 'probably' can't fire my .22 shorts out of my .22-250 or .223 WSSM firearms! It was years ago, I learned that, for 'some reason', my .22-250 cartridges couldn't be chambered in my grandfather's old .22 long revolver, even though the names of both cartridges start with ".22"! It's a phenomenon that I'm still trying to come to terms with.......
It's all been SO confusing and frustrating! But now I know better, and knowledge is power! 🤪👍
💢👉Just joking. Obviously no one should attempt chambering OR firing incompatible .22 caliber cartridges! 👈
@@iamsaconley he didn't research enough he missed the 22 win rimfire or known as the 22 WRF!
I have an old pump varmint rifle that says it can fire .22 lr and .22 short. Can it fire .22 long?
@@tuxedoederminenaswall3751 prolliby, but why use other than LR ?
This is well explained. While I haven't experience this issue, I just assumed "22 Long" was shorthand for "22 Long rifle". Now I know better. Thank you.
My Grandfather bought a Sears Ranger .22 bolt action in 1940. The barrel is stamped.22 short, long, and long rifle. It was made by Savage and uses a detachable magazine. It will feed pretty much any .22 ammo we’ve ever fed it.
the remington 552 speedmaster will shoot shorts, longs, and long rifles interchangeably and do it well! This gun is still available.
this remington 552 is semiautomatic.
Just bought the same one from a pawnshop a month ago or so for way more than I should’ve come to find out it doesn’t even have a going pin in it. First time buying used, learned a valuable lesson lol
Generally, it's the .22 LR chambered semi-automatics that will have problems with the .22 Short and Long as those two rounds don't have enough power to reliably cycle the action and are often (rifles anyway) marked, ".22LR Only." There are exceptions to this and the Remington 552 is one of them.
long rifle was initially proposed to be a military round since you could kill men and you could carry many of them,,,,in the days when most guns were still muzzle loaders,,,,@@Neutercane
thanks to allen. most firearms experts just throw out terms and technology, this guy actually tells it to a normal dude like me in a way i understand, thank you.
yup - excellent summary
Jesus cares for you :)
Hey hey Joseph Torres here on your 22 ammunition discussion you did not mention the wrf round
yep,,,,theres one i forgot about also,,,,,,a good round but not used often today@@josephtorres5285
As someone who's just recently started using a .22 rifle after years of 7.62 and 5.56 rifles this was an education, thank you.
Guess what? 5.56 is a 22 caliber cartridge.
@@jacobkudrowich It's actually a .223 round but with a massively bigger cartridge.
@@yonniboy1 and a 22lr is how big? Exactly .223 inches
@TheGhostOf RoyClarkSorry but I'm still right. I never said they were the same cartridge did I? No, obviously there's gotta be a difference between the two but the difference between the two 22 CALIBER cartridges isn't the diameter of the Bullet.
5.56x45 is technically a .22 caliber round.
Back in 1954-55, when I was about 9 or 10, my dad took me to a small country fair and taught me how to shoot at one of those old shooting gallery's. When you talked about it, it brought back a lot of memories. He made me stand back and watch the other shooters. I asked him why, he said that we wanted a rifle that seemed more accurate. He explained that these rifles got a lot of use and it was not uncommon for them to have badly worn barrels.
At 71 I might be one of the youngest to have ever done this. Like you said, they were not accurate. Kind of like the M-16 I fired in my Chair Force basic training. I call it the "Chair Force" because we do most of our best work sitting down. If you absolutely need something to be totally destroyed call the Chair Force. I use the present tense because my oath to protect and defend the country and the constitution only ends when I die.
@@chrisbaker2903 thank for your service 💪🏽
60 year old here from western PA. I recall being at a carnival, fair or amusement park and shooting a real 22 short. May have been one of the last few kids to enjoy shooting a real gun at such a venue! Great video here!
@@chrisbaker2903 Thank You for your Service, Then and Now!
These shooting galleries used to be seen as a matter of national security, the British army said that they wouldn't have been able to rally enough men with sufficient shooting skills for ww1 and 2 without them. Now the concept seems crazy in america and ridiculous over here in Europe. Times sure have changed.
I have learned more about .22 in this brief video than my whole life prior. You have made an excellent educational video, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Yes it is very informative, especially for kid's today. Whether they need to know anything about weapon's, unless they live in a rural area or hunt is a good thing to ponder.😢
everyone needs gun knowledge,,,,whether you choose to own one or not,,,,like a bicycle,,,,@@akatripclaymore.9679
@@OldeEnglishOutfittersI’m an old boy from England 🇬🇧 as my ancestors missed the boat to 🇺🇸 and am an amateur Paul Harrell fan, and I find your video hugely complimentary to his videos. Thank you.
One of the best discussions I've ever watched about .22, very useful for begginers shooters like me :)
Yeah, except he got the Flobert wrong. It came out in 1845, not 1854. We'll give him a pass for transposing the numbers.
Wisdom, knowledge and no bs in every video
Appreciate the kind words, Armando!
@@OldeEnglishOutfitters you forgot the 22 wrf
@@ps-ff6yx he said in the beginning some more rare will not be mentioned in the video lol.
@@OldeEnglishOutfitters could I use a 22 short in my ruger american rimfire Bolt action? It's chambered in .22 LR
Nah, there was a little bit of BS.
“If you’re old enough to remember the fairs use to have shooting galleries.”
Not only do we still have shooting galleries, we even have them in Australia.
I guess it’s just some people need to feel discriminated against, even when the scenario isn’t real.🤦♂️
I'm 50 years old and have always thought .22L and .22LR were the same. Quite embarrassed, but now I know. Thank you!
I knew they were different, but I am just as guilty of using the terms interchangeably as everyone else. .22 short revolvers used to be popular "Saturday Night Specials" -- it has NEVER been legal to carry guns into a bar in Texas and still isn't to this day. So you just drop it onto the ground and walk away if there was a big fight and the cops were clearing out the doorway and you didn't get out in time.
I don't care what is "popular" in gun culture.. drunks and guns do NOT mix.
You also know that girls are boys and boys are girls.
@@redwolfexr
Nor discuss "controversial" subjects like religion, abortion and immigration , even with an old friend.
I remember my dad and I shooting 22s at the fair. I'm only 57. The rifle was loaded through the butt stock. Mom mom let me use her dads Remington Sportsmaster when I was 10 or 12. It fired Shorts, Longs, Long Rifle in any order from a tube magazine.
Good times.
Speedmaster???
Was Mom-mom better than most Moms, or would you tier her closer to a Mother?
I have Remington Scoremaster's in model 510 and 511. 4 generations of my family have used the 510 as the first firearm ever shot.
Probably an older Browning SA-22! Loads into the stock, and they were the pick for carnival games, because they were takedown rifles, that transported easily, had simple replacement barrels and we're easy to operate
Would that gun shot the 22 magnum though... I can figure out if mine will or not and nobody will say
When in Ohio I shop at Olde English and appreciate this guy and the rest very much. Scott is also one of the guys that has serviced my request. This place is just fantastic.
Very detailed and easy to understand. I am 78 years old and have been shooting 22's all my life.
I have NEVER even heard of a "long'. We always used LR. I don't remember seeing a long on the
shelf where I bought ammo.
The little guy, we always called a "CB". You're right on, you can barely hear that one go off.
Thanks for you excellent presentation on this common ammo.
Longs are few and far between. I have heard of them but all I have ever found is LRs and CBs (shorts)
Excellent presentation, sir! I am old enough (79) to remember the fair shooting galleries, the .22 shorts, and the, usually, pump action rifles. Having shot .22's for many years, I can attest to their popularity, effectiveness, and accuracy. Well done!
Wow, sir! You're quite a... shall I say "seasoned" person to be posting comments on youtube. You've obviously done well to keep up with the times. It's sad to see what is happening in our beautiful country, and I'm in my 40s, so I can only imagine what someone such as yourself must be thinking about what we're seeing these days. Hell, what we've been seeing for years. The complete and utter lack of personal accountability/responsibility. The term "racist" thrown around indiscriminately to the point that it no longer means anything. Anyway, it just surprised me when I saw your age. I hope you're doing well, sir, us younger folks are not all completely lost. There's still some of us that were raised right and hate to see what's happening to this amazing country.
I’m in my teen years and I’m surprised a human of your age uses the internet (no offense) it just surprises me a bit glad to see it
@@nerfcontent9429 Some of us "elders" know a thing or two about the internet and computers. It was our generation which developed the internet and the compact computers. I'm 72 and have been working with computers since the '70s. Learning is fun and having older people around will sometimes allow you to not reinvent the wheel. Enjoy your time.
You're a natural teacher. Do more videos like this!
I agree!
Jesus cares for you
When I was a youngster in the late 40s my dad went to an auction and brought home a Stevens bolt action .22. It ate any and everything I put in it. I shot a lot of varmints with shorts as well as longs and long rifles (on the occasions when I had the money). Maybe it's unusual but I still have it and to me it's a treasure.
Nothing unusual there. Don't give it up ever.
That is a treasure, Thanks for sharing a part of your story my friend. Keep that thing forever.
Lol, I got mine when I was 8 years old used in 1959. I still have it and it is a treasure to me too and I will be hitting 70 years old in a few months. What is sad is I live in California and we have to shoot non lead bullets for hunting. I bought 4 or 5 boxes of 50 per box in the unleaded LR hollow points when they first came out. I sure hope they have perfected them since then.They were not very accurate.
I am 53 now.
In 1956 I was 8 and bro was ten we hunted squirrels and rabbits for food using our dads Stevens bolt action. I don't recall it ever having any issues other than it ate a lot of ammo. 1 shot 1 squirrel etc;. hillbilly home based 1/4 mile from the world famous Current river in the Mo. Ozarks. Those were the best of times for boys and girls and freedoms. No licenses no gun permits no one looked twice if we walked through town to get to the other woods to hunt in.Zoom! Hey ! Looky that's a new '56 Chevrolet!. Yep even at 8 and 10 we knew every make and year of the cars on the street, and we knew the sound of that 50 chevy torpedo with the talkin' straight pipes . Lol Man oh man, how I'd love to go back to that old swimming hole, where no matter how often we went, we'd find and then skip dozens of perfect arrowheads and long blades across the water, that's no exaggeration. They were as common as rocks in that area. Back then and that young they had no value to us.😱
I once had a 'store brand' Remington Speedmaster, JC Higgins or Revelation I think, with a long barrel and a tube magazine that held an insane amount of 22 shorts. Tons of fun long before Ruger 10-22 hi-capacity magazines were a thing. Though the 22 short doesn't get much respect, when S&W brought out their Model 1 revolver it was considered a good self-defense round. Of course before modern medicine, getting shot anywhere by anything meant a good chance of becoming dead soon. In an accurate rifle it still does excellently for small game with it's soft report not scaring the rest of the game away into the next county.
It's 2022 and I STILL would not want to be hit with .22 Short. It can (and has) killed. It's not .357 Magnum, But it's still NO "TOY".
The@@jamesslick4790
I love learning just how little I knew about a subject. Very informative, and easy to understand.
Agreed. Had no idea the 22 series was started in the 1800's
Jesus cares for you
From Australia, thanks for the info. As a boy, the first gun I shot (other than the air rifle) was a 22 (short). I have a great respect for the 22. I have a 22, 22 magnam and a 222. Good video.
Is 22 to the only round you're allowed to have in Australia
@@jameselliott1581 No there is a few calibers 223, 308, 9mm, etc you can get here in Australia but you've got to have a license for whatever gun you have, every state has different laws I think the largest is 50 cal apparently only 15 people in western Australia have a license for a 50 cal all good
I clicked on this thinking it was a UK channel. That said, when I took my Army shooting test back in 1972, we used 303 Lee Enfields on the outdoor range and 22 on the 25yd indoor range. Looking at the lineup here, we were using the 22 Short. That said, whatever calibre we were using it was always HYA type - 'Here's Your Ammo.'
Not knowing anything about this guy...the first thing I want to say is "YES SGT. MAJOR"! He certainly delivers the command and certainly deserves the respect! Thank you sir for the lesson. I'm probably older than he is...but he knows what he's talking about.
You are a great teacher. good flick. Greatest round ever made.
I really enjoyed this guy's presentation style. Very informative with very little "commentary". Great video.
I learned something today.
THANK YOU.
A jaded boomer here, never owned a firearm, but always had an interest in handguns and fired a few bigger calibers.
You are welcome, Boss!
Don't you hate that when someone calls u boss or chief or captain....funk off man
Please make more of these great educational videos. This channel has some serious potential.
The Heritage Rough Rider .22lr single action was the best $139 EVER spent
Yes, and it has a better trigger than the Ruger Wrangler...
Yah I grew up shooting my dads as a kid. Now what I would like to know what my grandpa's revolver was cause it actually held 8 rounds, but sadly when he passed on of my other cus got it and he has since pawned his guns away. I was luck to get his 30-06 cause he gave it to my dad years ago when he couldn't shoot it any more and since dad passed it to me.
Just tighten up the back screws ever now and then and you will be fine, they tend to back out on you.
@@likeorasgod My father has a nine round revolver from well before the 70's. It is stamped Western Auto, nickel with white handles. Looks Ivory, but it's a plastic of some sort. Took him 3 shots, but he hit a gopher at over 50 yards with it.
I totally agree. I absolutely love my Rough Rider. I shot some shorts with it a few weeks ago. I felt embarrassed at the range. That little "pewp". I could feel the eyes looking at me and laughing lol
Well done. Gotta love dry humor. He strikes me as 'the knowledgeable (incredibly dangerous) old guy' in a young man's profession. He's the guy you want for your next door neighbor.
I always like the style of instruction and advice provided by Allen. You get the history, science and real-world examples all in one package..!!
And the 1000 yard stare...
I just got a 22lr and seen some of the magnum ammo in the store and was wondering and knew they wouldn't fit but glad I found this video to explain more about the different ones they have out there. I do appreciate it sir.
I've learned more from this man, and this channel, than from anywhere else on firearms and everything that goes with them. Excellent channel.
At 85 years I have always loved the 22 caliber. It is the caliber far best for beginners and can be enjoyed for the rest of one's life.
Back in my teens and twenties 22 long rifle traded at .50 cents a box or five dollars per carton. Most shooters I knew wanted cartons but most could not afford case lots.
Enjoy the most versatile and available cartridge in the world.
Thank you for a very comprehensive clip on the .22 bullets, very interesting Allen, I enjoyed that.
About 40 years ago I bought two plastic containers of the smallest version that you show here, mine have a lead bb pressed into the case, no powder, just the cap to make them go and man I wouldn't want one in my head! They are called .22 BB Cap or 6mm Flobert.
Over 50 yards they can drop a rabbit and make almost no sound via the silencer, quieter than a .22 air rifle.
I have some left but at 76 years old, there's no neighbours I need to shoot any more. That's a joke, albeit crap.
I have tried to buy more of the little bullets but the gun dealers over here in New Zealand have never seen them.
No matter, I've had some fun with them and still have a few left.
I recently bought my first .22 Chiappa Magnum and when I let loose it sounds like all hell is breaking loose, crazy how much noise from such a small bullet.
My guns are pretty much just for my to look at these days but I'm so glad I grew up to be able to own .22's.
I got my first one at age 18 which is old for most guys to own a gun I guess, it was a Lithgow youth rifle.
Just recently I moved into my second childhood and bought one exactly the same, just to make me happy.
This is called hanging on, getting old....bugger!
You responsible people with guns, enjoy them while you are able.
Kind regards, keep yer powder dry.
Ray
Rotorua. New Zealand
Find an dealer who van supply sellier & bellot. Chzech made ammo.
They make those caps you mention. They do have just a tad of smokeless in them.
Ask for .22/5.6 flobert CB(conical ballen) not 6mm flobert BB wich is actually 6mm and used in ancient floberts.
Those buggers put out 39 joules/28fpe.
Quit little rounds, come in black plastic "tins" with an picture of 1 of 1 of these rounds.
Cartridge
I remember us kids bringing our 22 s and .410 or 20 gauge shotguns to school and keeping them in our lockers so we could go hunting as soon as school let out. We could see the woods and fields from the school. It was no big deal.
Now look at the mess we’re in!
You must have been at a one-room school deep in the Appalachian Mountains.
@@wapiti3750 Never took one to school but would walk, through the city with .22 rifles to go to the shooting range or hunting, over the years only got asked one time by the police where we were going as long as it was in a case or had the bolt removed no problem I had a semi so had a cloth case with one strap over the but of the rifle, and a pocket on the side for ammo. just a canvas case with about 6" of the stock sticking above the canvas, my friend would just take the bolt out and stick it in his pocket. How things have changed. some of the schools in Ontario even had inside shooting ranges, in Newfoundland, we went the the air cadets where they supplied the rifles and ammo free of charge. Could you imagen now having inside shooting ranges on the main street of a major city, and teen agers caring there rifles to them. And there were no mass shootings back then, you learned respect of the rifles and would never even thinking of pointing even a unloaded rifle at any one or any thing you were not going to shoot.
@@hiltonmcconnell2563 you watch too much zombie movies
@@Dranreb865 not sure what you mean by that? But have never watched a Zombie movie, I do not even have a TV. much better things to spend my time on.
@@hiltonmcconnell2563idiots will be idiots.. dont mind them nothin
Although I’m an old fart w 50 yrs experience and knew most of this (except the history) I have to say this is the best video presentation on 22 rimfire that I’ve ever seen. Succinct, to the point and very well done. Thanks for posting. Alan’s videos are some of the best.
I have fond memories of attending the annual county fair in my town and I always ended up at the shooting gallery. The ones we had were .22 short, semi-auto rifles and the goal was to shoot the red star out of the target paper using only so many shots. The rifles would be laid out on the shooting table for anybody to walk up and shoot. I remember sometime in the mid-to-late 1970's the rifles were then mounted on a stanchion post and had very limited movement (side to side a few degrees and up & down). This change occurred because of the idiots out there who, instead of firing at the targets, decided to turn around and start firing into the crowd. I even recall Disney World had them in Frontier Land the first couple years after opening in 1971 but they too would soon change like all the rest. Full-auto BB rifles were also popular around the same time, which were pneumatic and had air hoses connected to them, and they too employed the limited movement stanchion post method to prevent idiots from hurting the innocent.
Those .22 rifles and full-auto BB's were loads of fun and I couldn't wait to get my own .22 rifle and I thoroughly enjoyed mine. I also recall in the mid 70's there was a full-auto BB rifle you could buy that used a 12 oz can of R12 refrigerant as the propellent. Back then you could buy CASES of R12 for .35 cents a can so it was cheap as dirt to begin with. I remember wanting one of those full-auto BB rifles but was never willing to spend the money for one.
I always found it interesting how people were always quick to say your little 22 "won't do jack", yet it's strange how no one ever volunteers to be shot with one... lol
I remember them from the 1950's They were on a short chain , and used clay -style bullets. Had strip style magazines that often jammed.. They were a lot of fun. The good ole days ----
@@robertboreman7672 Correct. The rifles were originally attached to a short, thin chain and several of them would be laid out on the shooting table, and yes, they had tubular/strip magazines and I remember the worker would reload the rifles using an external tubular "loader" that was pre-loaded with the cartridge of choice. They would open the front of the magazine and align the loader against the front of the magazine on the rifle, tilt it upward until the all the cartridges slid down into the rifle. This was much faster than loading them one cartridge at a time the way I used to load my old Remington .22LR ! Times were sure simpler back then.
I say the same thing lol , .22 is a lot more capable than people give it credit for
The idea is that yeah it can kill, and can hurt, but why take the chance when better calibers are offered in guns of a similar size.
I still remember in the 90s they had that same game with BB guns with just the cord. Needless to say I went to the fair this year and they didn't even have toy guns much less a place to shoot.
I’m a prospective new shooter of .22 and this was a really excellent class for me. Cleared up a lot of questions for me. I will certainly be able to avoid making mistakes on ammo purchases. Thanks for clear, concise style.
I used to have a Stevens bolt-action tube-fed rifle that took shorts, long and long rifles without a problem and yes I remember shooting galleries using live ammo. Very informative video, Thank you for making it.
Thank you, Old English Outfitters for such a kindly informative video on a historical evolution of the most common round(s). I was raised in a home where we learned such things, but history of common items gets murky and lost. Often the learned men and women just forget to mention such things and occasionally mention it in a discouraging way since keyboarding has replaced face to face instruction in almost all venues of learning.
Another comment said it feels like I am in the room for a one on one. And it does!!
Thanks again.
I wish I could have this video playing on repeat in the gun store I work at. Excellent information explained very well.
Well done and explained. I recall the boardwalk 22 shorts. I own a pump called the gallery model from Brazil, its what the boardwalk people used. So much fun to shoot. I also have a revolver with two cylinders, 22 LR and 22 WMR. what a weapon.
is your pump .22 by any chance a Rossi? I have one, but I don't think it is a gallery model. Dad bought it for me when I was 14 for a reward of doing better in Algebra class.
@@Sputnik2914 Hey Andrew - yes its a Rossi. Love the feel and the fun in shooting.
Your BB cap is actually a CB cap. The BB cap has a round BB at the end
Both of them I feed one at a time thru my 144 LS Mossberg. Coming out of a bolt action all you hear is "tic".
Correct.
cb= conical bullet
The cartridge shown is a CB cap - the bbcap has a .177 bb crimped into the end of the cartridge. Don't confuse this with the .22 moskeet (which was a .22 smoothbore shotgun)...
@@carmineredd1198 Yes
First time stumbling onto your channel. As someone who likes 22 a lot I'm glad someone made a video on the topic and bust the myths of the caliber.
Listening to him for 15 minutes I still felt myself as in the service ! Thank's from Italy.
Thanks Allen, As you can see I watched this a year ago and wanted to mention that I used to have a Winchester Model 1906, It was a pump action chambered for .22 short, long and long rifle, This is a very good video presentation, Thank You Sir, Best Wishes. 👍 🇺🇸
Thank you!! I never understood the difference between all of them. .
You are quite welcome Sir.@@roberthutchison8416
My Marlin 39A will shoot the 3 main rounds. It was my 12th B-day present in 1980 and still shoots great.
Stevens 87A will do the same accept the short must be fired bolt action by pushing in the knob/button on the side of the bolt.
Marlin 795 is a plinker extraordinaire 👍🏻
You were given a gun aged 12?!?! That unbelievable!!
@@twmbwen1402 Why? Many young men receive their first rifle at 10 or 12. At 12 I would grab my .22 after school and walk along the river or thru the fields. Good times.
Wish he had included the .22 Remington Special (A.K.A. ".22 WRF) -- the predecessor of the .22 Winchester Magnum. It will typically work in .22 Magnum firearms (except auto-loaders); and, yes, they still make the ammo! But, aside from my personal preferences, Allen did an EXCELLENT job of providing a new-shooter introduction!
Agreed. There are also older guns out there chambered for this caliber that a person can run into and they are occasionally advertised incorrectly as 22LR. Can only give the video a "C" grade. Average.
Very good, informative video. Thank you for explaining in everyday language to those who are newcomers to the .22 (and even some that have been around for a while). I own a Winchester model 62, pump action rifle. It was made in 1946 (I was made in 1949). It is what is commonly called a “gallery gun”, stamped on the barrel is chambered for .22 short, long, long rifle. It cycles all of them flawlessly to this day (if you can find shorts or longs). I have owned this since 1959. It has been in the family since 1946, I am the 2nd owner. I can remember when I was a kid my dad would get me 2 bricks of longs (1k rounds) for Christmas, they would last almost the whole year (I grew up in Southern California (LA). Naturally I really looked forward to Christmas.
I had inherited a Ruger .22 Single six. I have the Regular cylinder (LR, long, and short) on it but also I have the magnum cylinder with it as well that had some old bullets in it. I knew it was the magnum cylinder but this video allowed me to identify the old bullets in it were just longs and not LRs and not even the right type for the cylinder. Glad I never tried to fire it with those in it. Thank you for this!
I can understand the frustration with customers owning firearms and not the correct ammo it uses. I guess that goes along with why I’m shocked at all the commenters young and old that didn’t know the different sizes of this ammunition. I’m 71 and been shooting .22’s all my life. My dad brought home from the war a beautiful 1936 Mauser smallbore rifle that I still have today and it has to be the most accurate 22 I’ve ever shot. I shot USAF small bore comp with the bull barrel match grades and that Mauser shot just as accurate. I trained my two daughters on it who are excellent shooters today and CCW carry every where they go. At 10yrs old they knew the difference of the various sizes of 22 cartridge. Great presentation and glad your educating gun owners, thank you.
I share your sentiments on everybody being afraid of every ridiculous thing.
Hell yeah! Safety is bullshit, I love to drink and drive and I never wear a seatbelt! I've never been hurt myself, but the three children I've run over are all dead.
@@ChristopherHallett 😂, I'm glad there's at least one person with reason watching a video like this.
I wished I lived in the times when the flowbert rounds were used in games at the bar or carnival the story on them is very cool
Loved your presentation!
Your "BB cap" may be a "CB" cap, or Conical Bulleted Cap. The BB cap, according to my 101 year old father, had a round lead ball.
I agree true BB caps I grew up and still shoot look almost like compacted lead dust
@@canonballdookie that said, I've used the current "CB" load to slaughter pigs, and it stones them every time.
Certainly nothing to trifle with.
@@jacobmccandles1767 CB's are great little rounds for sure
True. Still have some bb, dirty black powder.
Over a hundred years ago, after a meal with friends, people would sometimes target shoot in their living rooms! I have one of these FLOBERT PARLOR GUNS designed for .22 BB caps. For good or ill, things are sure different today !
Excellent video. I have been a shooter/hunter for about 34 years now and I have to say you were so clear and concise in explaining the differences and the how’s and whys of it all. I even learned a little myself. I am definitely subscribing to this channel. Big thumbs up and keep up the excellent work.
before every one was scared of everything ...so true
Scared of getting sued, more like lmao
Very fun! For anyone wondering, since he didn't cover it, the .22 magnum/WMR was the "Johnny Come Lately" of the modern group there. It was developed in 1959!😁
I'm wondering if u can shoot a Magnum round out of my 22 bolt action. He never says
He did cover it Andrew. At the end.
@@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 No Tom. I have a .22 marlin bolt rifle. It's stamped S. (short) L.(long). L.R. (long rifle.).
@@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 The magnum is slightly larger in diameter, I don't think you could chamber it.
My Dad taught me to shoot his 22 rifle when I was about 6 or 7. After what seemed like forever in training, he gave me his 22, and 2 bullets, and he sent me off into the woods. I knew then that I was a "man". Of course I never fired either of those valuable 22 bullets.
Dude this video is AMAZING.....! Definitely very educational ....Love it
I have my father's Remington 22 rifle that his father bought him when he was 16 dad was born in 1935 his rifle is a tube fed semi auto and is capable of shooting 22 long rifle or 22 shorts ! Very accurate rifle still today fun to shoot !
Being a rimfire fan I have a few arms chambered in .22 rimfire. Favorite is my Ruger KNR-5 convertible. Those teeny weeny ones I've shot back in the 1980's. The Flobert-Patronen 6mm by Nobel. They came in a yellow and red plastic "compact style" container. The cartridges have a little acorn as their head stamp. I shot them from an Ithaca 49 Saddle gun. Interesting video and well done.
Thank you for the history😎
We always hunted squirrels with .22 long rifle when I was a kid. Much easier to bag them with a .410, but we preferred the challenge and not having to pick the shot out of the squirrels. And they were quite tasty!
I too am old and a relatively new shooter so I appreciate not being condescended to and I really appreciate being educated in a respectful manner. Thank you.
I remember those carnival days! I always thought, somehow, the carnival guys were shysters because it was nearly impossible to shoot out the entire red star target - they always seem to find a whisker of red paper and deny the prize. This is a great, great lesson on the history of the 0.22. Thank you !!
For anyone interested: the game is rigged, basically. Using physics. The more holes you poke in a sheet of something flexible (like paper), the less resistance it'll have to oncoming objects. You can't shoot *through* a piece of paper if it just *bends* out of the way. Get down to the last bit, there's really no structural integrity to shoot away.
Or if they're not as blatant they'll have the paper held taught on a backstop. But there's ways of fudging that one too.
@Snargfargle yyuuuup. At the end of the day they're designed to make money, and nothing does that better by concealing luck based games as skill based, getting you 99% of the way there but not 100, or just making it so quick to play you don't mind multiple tries.
For anyone: go check Mark Rober's video about carnivals
New Glock 44 owner after experiancing the cost of blowing through 9mm. Thanks for the history lesson sir, enjoyed every minute!
Straight to the point, informative, and no BS, you just earned a sub
Thank you for an excellent presentation. In the UK in the 1960's at fairgrounds I have fired pump action
. 22 shorts at various targets including moving ducks and ping pong balls riding jets of water together with glass and crockery targets mounted on herringbone steel pin carriers. A large steel plate at the rear provided the necessary safety backstop. The ammunition I recall was branded "spatter proof" or "spatterpruf" which I guess was a type of segmented bullet. Sadly all such shooting fun at fairs has long since vanished. I now own a Remington 550 semi automatic rifle which will handle both .22 shorts and .22 long rifle and the irony is that I have not been able to try the shorts as I cannot obtain them in the UK !
YES!! I remember this very well, first experience at the fair attached to Bertram Mills circus at the Olympia, that would have been in the 60’s but when I first took my kids to the local fair, probably about ‘84, the rifle ranges were still operating.
I remember the pumps were mostly Winchester and the semi’s were Remington that I noticed.
I have a Ruger Wrangler and a Henry 001 lever classic. They are chambered for shorts longs and long rifle. Weather plinking in the back yard or hunting you can pick the speed and bullet you need.
You sound like us, we have a half dozen .22s, and plenty of assorted ammo types and brands...I buy bulk .22 continuously, and throw in a box of either oddball or 'better' ammo on occasion...cheap plinking rules...!
My first rifle was a hand-me-down Remington Model 552 Speedmaster semi-auto rifle with a Bushnell 4x15 scope and I used to shoot bricks of whatever was on sale when I was a kid - short/long/LR - all day long without complaint. I was ready to jump on here to correct you until I thought better of it and did a little research. I never knew that my grandfathers hand-me-down was so unique and of good quality. It wasn't until I started buying .22 pistols that I even knew that the round was prone to misfires/light strikes. Good information and thank you for helping me realize what I gem I have always had.
His voice is relaxing to me and I don't know why....
If Paul Harrell is the Bob Ross of firearms, this guy is Mr Rogers.
I believe the main thing with primer powered cartridges in rifles is barrel length - the expanded gas from the primer doesn't even quite fill the volume of the barrel, so at the end of the bullet's travel in the barrel it's actually got a relative vacuum behind it. They were designed for short-barrelled gallery rifles (or indeed revolvers) for fairgrounds and so on, I think.
I know here in the UK sub-sonic LR for pest control is very popular
One of the primer only .22 cartridge makers actually specified for use only in revolvers. There just isn't enough energy for the bullet to make it out the length of a rifle barrel and could get stuck there. It would also be dangerous since the shooter might not even be aware of what happened and subsequently shoot down a blocked barrel.
Guilty- gotta inspect the box lettering while excited to find ammo on the shelf. Bought 22 short instead of long rifle for Ruger LCP 2. Oh well, bought a Ruger Wrangler 22lr to use the 22 short up- best mistake a person addicted to buying guns can make.
Excellent synopsis. I really like this gentleman, and he was perfect for this. Thorough, yet simple and straight to the point. Long time shooter myself and I didn't even know of the .22 BB Cap and have only heard of .22 Long in passing. Very educational even for most of us who know guns. This was so good I'm subscribing.
I am impressed with your explanation of these different cartridges.
My grandfather had a 22 single shot rifle. I think it shot a short, long, and long rifle. It looked like a very practical rifle.
Every 22lr will shoot long, short, and cb cap. Just won’t cycle a semi auto and doesn’t feed well in bolt action, but single shot, 👍👍👍
I have two of my grandfather's single shot 22s that are sitting in my stepdad's safe currently. One of these days I need to pick them up and have a smith check them out to make sure they are safe to shoot (probably are).
This was a great video, very helpful thank you for spelling it all out in a language I could understand.
Learned some new stuff today. Thanks for the history!
You sir, are an excellent educator! Thank you for this much needed lesson for a new (old) gun owner.
A very straight forward presentation without any hype or sensationalism attached. Well done Sir.
"You used to be able to go to a carnival a shoot a gun chambered in .22 Short."
This right here is why I keep telling people that the past was better.
Shot many a moving target at the amusement park with a .22 rifle. No one batted an eye about the shooting gallery.
better and worse
If you were lying in an iron lung, you might feel otherwise.
Survival with iron lungs was much better than modern intubation, which produces a stiffening of lung tissue over time a n eventual death .Also, esophegaeal sores are created by the sealing surface of the breathing tube. But iron lungs are much, much more expensive.
I used to work in a special care unit where nearly everyone was intubated. Give me an iron lung anyday. It doesn't require heavy sedation because of the misery of the experience, like intubation often requires.
Liberal mentality, sue everyone for every time u get a little scratch or a hurt feeling ruined everything. Took my kids to my favorite childhood park the other day telling them how cool the play ground was. I was disappointed to see now its just a rubber mat with a couple swings and a slide about 3 feet high. Money bars so close to the ground even my 5 year old can reach the floor instead of swinging. When i was a kid there was big tower with a huge slide probably 20’ 25’ high, ropes ladders, monkey bars, that thing u hold on to with a track that slides so u can zip across to the other tower. They were at least 10’ 15’ off the ground there was lower ones for the younger kids too. Oh and of course the tire swing. Yeah i got hurt sometimes but that was part of being a kid suing the city never crossed my parents minds. The way these liberal parents rase their kids now is so sad. I feel bad for the future my kids will have to deal with.
Sorry, The one on your left is a CB cap. The smallest one (commercially) is the BB cap. It is round like a bb. I will get a pic of one of mine for you. I think they are/were made by RWS.
Whish I coud. Find some 22 acorns
When I was 12 my uncle gave me a single shot 22 rifle...
I lived on a farm in Texas...well come Dove season he got
Me a single shot 410 ...this was in the 50’s...At Fort Polk
I shot Expert with the M14 and the M16...Wonder Why...😜🤠🎯🥊❤️
Single shot 410 22 over and under will shoot every one except the magnum.
because they have low standards?
Finally, after an embarrassing couple of years I fully understand the differences. Thank you for the video, sir. Explained in an informative & simple matter for any level gun owner to comprehend.
Great informative video. I like that Allen explains how energy is lost by auto or semi chambering vs manual. A point MANY people do not realize nor consider.
No that's not what he was saying and it's not true. What he meant is that a 22 short won't cycle a semi auto. Semi autos use a direct blowback action that needs more power than the short can provide. Not that bolt or lever guns shoot the bullets faster. The deviation of velocity from 1 bullet to the next completely negates that.
If you can find the 22 CB rounds they make a great pair with single shot youth rifles like the Crickets or Savage Rascals. It's barely louder than a bb gun with a bolt action setup, and at the range most kids start out learning at there is still enough energy to give steel targets a satisfying ring. My kids loved using those when they were younger. It was like shooting with a suppressor. I wish they weren't so hard to find these days.
Don't know what model it is but my Grandfather's Winchester bolt action with no mag, strictly load one at a time, works with short, long and long rifle. Even stamped as such. I think I was told he bought it in the 1930's. I grew up shooting that and thought all .22 bolt actions would work with all 3. Learn something new every day.
The issue with bolt actions is that most feed from a box magazine, and box magazines tend to be sensitive to ammunition length. Tube magazines are likely to work better, as they pop the round back onto an elevator that brings it up in line with the chamber, so it feeds straight in. With a box magazine, it's pretty important that the base of the cartridge is released at the right time to align the round with the chamber. With a much shorter than expected round, the base of the round will pop out before the bullet has started into the chamber, allowing it to twist around and miss the chamber.
Many years ago my Dad sent me to the store to buy a couple of boxes of .22 LR's. I bought .22 longs. That was the last time I made that mistake, and I guarantee you I learned the difference between the two on that day!
Thank you, I'm one of the new*
This was just what I needed! Very simple to understand. There was no jumping around to a million. Different topics...
the very basics.
Thank you, Allen, for that very clear and infomative explanation of the range of .22 rimfire cartridges. Excellent!
I thought I knew but I had no idea...Thanks Allen!
I had a Savage Mark II TRR-SR bolt action that could shoot the LR, long, and short. It also could shoot 22 CB caps. The short and CB can misfeed from the mag sometimes though. Shooting the 22LR can be tough, especially at longer ranges. It makes a great round to learn on. Shooting a flat trajectory cartridge is easy at most gun ranges (~200yds max). Try a 22LR at that range and you'll learn about bullet drop real fast.
Always like to see a good old fashion rimfire introduction class
Thanks
Helpful & definitely Worth the time to watch..NICE & CLEAR
Would like to see other videos of similar content..(Styles of bullets & benefits Etc)
Hollow points vs ball vs pointed & So on.
Thanks & ApprrcYour Time!
Highly interesting . Important and valuable information needed be known by every 22 user . Thanks regards , bye . GREAT !
I have an old .22 bolt action that is actually designed specifically for short rounds, so it definitely depends on the gun.
.22 Short and .22 Long will work in a .22 LR semiautomatic. Thing is, you have to insert them into the chamber individually, then cycle the action manually.
so it does not work.
@@12vibaba I'm talking survival, not Sunday plinking fun. That's all.
@12vibaba It fires.
There you go, Vince. @@vincedibona4687
I bet he can remember when Longs were .60 per box and LR high Velocity was .90 per box. I do.
I personally wiped out the bubonic Squirrel plague problem in California in ‘75, Steven’s single shot bolt action with a Tasco $6 dollar scope, can of Coke and a PBJ - all day event snipping ground squirrels.
I own 3 safes full of god knows what- my .22’s with the grandkids provide me the most enjoyment.
Thank you for this video. I knew about the short round, the long rifle, and the magnum (which I love), but had completely forgotten about the long round, and never knew about the BB cap. Thanks so much.
I just bought a box of 60gr sss rounds from you and they run like a top in my 21a bobcat I think the combination of the short case (no ejector) and the heavy bullet make this ideal for me thank you guys for being the best local gun store around!
Remington 552 Speedmasters are one of those semi autos that will reliably feed .22 Short, .22 Long, and .22 LR.
Correct! Still have mine and inherited my Dads. Got my 552 for my 9th birthday loooong time ago. Growing up in the country, there was sometimes a need for all three 22's.
as a kid, i shot lotsa shorts,,,,five cents per box,,,,,long rifle cost ten cents@@hokep61