The Traumatic Paradox of MGSV: Ground Zeroes
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METAL GEAR SOLID V: GROUND ZEROES is often derided as little more than a demo. But anyone who's ventured beyond the surface level of this game knows it's more...MUCH more...
But not before now has an account been provided so comprehensively to explain one of the game's biggest mysteries: why it so willfully contradicts itself with anachronisms and apparent time paradoxes.
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Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes is a third-person stealth action-adventure game developed by Kojima Productions and published by Konami for the Xbox One, PlayStation 4, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3 on March 18, 2014. It was later digitally published for the PC (via Steam) on December 18, 2014.
The game is a standalone prologue to Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, setting up the game's story while introducing players to both the Fox Engine and the new open-world gameplay structure.
Set in 1975, shortly after the events of Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker, players take control of legendary operative Snake (also known as Big Boss, leader of the Militaires Sans Frontières) as he infiltrates a clandestine prison camp in Cuba (known as Camp Omega) under control by U.S. Marines (including a mysterious Special Forces unit known as XOF). With radio assistance from Kazuhira Miller and Huey Emmerich, Snake must find and rescue both MSF member Chico and high-value target Paz.
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” I fear not the man who has 1000 hours on Phantom Pain, I fear the man who has 1000 hours on Ground Zeroes” -Unknown Netizen
Ground zeros is my go to when replaying. Phantom pain is still amazingly genius but ground zeros has that… something you know.
@@averagesionenjoyer8948
I've had it installed on my Xbox since launch.
I have some mental thing that I can't bring myself to delete GZ.
@@We_Are_Borg_478 I was a pretty young mf when I saw mgs1 polish walkthrough and fell in love with the series and watched all the games on RUclips, although not knowing the story very well. Then ground zeros came out in 2014 and my 11 y old ass was shocked to death with the graphics and gameplay and basically anything a game media can do. I felt like I wanted to know every inch of the map and the game’s secrets even tho I wasn’t even able to play any games at the time. I rewatched gz gameplays tens of times and bought the game myself a few years back. I’m happy to say I maxed both gz and tpp last year and did everything possible and I still have the urge the reinstall those games and just play to chill.
@@We_Are_Borg_478 I’m the weird guy that prefers ground zeros becasue of the lack of rpg shit and the fact that I can replay any missions whenever I want and do whatever I want with no consequences. I can do a play through where I want to blow up every single enemy in the base and kill the hostages and my own helicopter and the game won’t punish me for that. For instance I wouldn’t give the phantom pain for my friend to play at my computer because of all the rpg base multiplayer demon points shit and everything. On the other hand I can open up ground zeros and let them do whatever and I know nothings gonna happen. I hoped the phantom pain will have the structure of ground zeros when it comes out but it was open world and not mission select so I got kinda sad.
@@averagesionenjoyer8948
If you haven't played peacewalker, then you are really depriving yourself.
It's mission structured with no morality just like you prefer.
Brief as Ground Zeroes is, I much preferred its feel and atmosphere to the Phantom Pain's. The gnarlier, darker sense of it fit the series so well. Further exploration is more than welcome!
Also we play as the REAL Big boss, not some fake boss.
Yeah- I like Phantom Pain a lot, but I feel like it's so tonally different than Ground Zeroes. I feel like it needed a better continuation of Ground Zeroes' tone.
Agreed. Ground Zero had more darker tone also i like how AI is far more interesting for me at least. I just shot a camera and some dude went to check it out and when i took him. Radio all of a sudden start to reach him and when he couldn't he told other guards to be on alert.
@VonArmagedda oooh. I hate to be the guy who breaks it to you, but it is believed that GZ is more hypnogogic bullshits being "remembered" by Venom. Miller says some shit when talking about Paz and Galvez like "we never should have bought their story" or something. Miller knew exactly who they were, he wouldn't say this. This is the main evidence that GZ is more brainwashing.
@VonArmagedda oooh. I hate to be the bearer pf bad news, but it is believed GZ is more hypnogogic brainwashing for Venom. When talking about Paz and Galvez, Miller says "we should have never bought their cover story" but he knew exactly who they were prior, and Big Boss knows that Miller knows this, he told him himself. Miller would not say this to Big Boss. That is the main evidence that this is just Venom "remembering" that mission as it is being implanted in his memories.
"although I wasn't there, he said I was his friend" is a line that stuck with me ever since I first herd it
“Although I wasn’t then, he said I was his friend”
I thought the line went like this?
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus no, David Bowie released the lyrics. You can check it yourself online.
Kind of unrelated but my personal headcanon for a while has been that the reason David Hayter doesn't voice Big Boss in Ground Zeroes is that Ground Zeroes is a recounting of the event from the perspective of the "memories" implanted onto the medic during his coma. I think this could explain not only the difference in his voice in Ground Zeroes, but some of these other discrepancies as well. It's the medics mind filling in the blanks with things he knows or associates with at some point in the future.
I do like that and I've come to think the same - it does make sense. I know outside of the game David Hayter was a bit upset but for this story to work - and if indeed this is a recount of an event then it makes total sense.
The voice actor didn’t change for the Japanese version, it’s just Kojima and his weird hatred for Hayter. There’s no connection between the new voice and the old one except Kojima and his disdain for David
@@Blintedhaa What in the world are you talking about? I thought they were friends before this. I remember seeing a video of Hayter years ago doing a skit specifically for Kojima's birthday.
The link between the Japanese voice actor and Kiefer Sutherland is that in the Japanese dub of 24, The Japanese Voice Actor for Venom is the voice of Jack Bauer, so the two voices are linked in that way between the east and west, and considering the ultimate ruse being played by the narrative, it makes the voice actor change make a lot of sense.
If they had changed the voice only for TPP and not GZ, it would have been far too obvious, so it had to change for both games for it to work.
@@knightshousegames Kojima made Hayter reaudition for every game, he tried to replace him before GZ/TPP as well.
There’s no ruse being played, it’s merly Kojima finally getting what he want. Kojima always wanted some hollywood star, Kurt Russel was considered for MGS3 to replace Hayter
@@knightshousegames Not the first time he replaced Big Boss; Akio Ōtsuka was replaced in MGS 4 as Big Boss. (Not as Solid Snake)
By his father, Chikao.
According to Outcast Podcast and Famitsu, he was chosen for the role by Hideo Kojima as a means to thaw the ice between the estranged father and son.
(according to Metal Gear Wiki)
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” This quote always makes me think about Camp Omega and Big Boss as a whole. Camp Omega was the “beginning” of this story, while at the same time dawns the metaphorical “end” of Big Boss as we know him. The Big Boss Legend was at the beginning, and he soon became the reason for the end. I still come back to Ground Zeroes from time to time because of how rich it really is. There’s so much to it.
Something tells me that Glaz (Eye) and Palitz (Finger) are based off of two real US Marines. Kojima and his team do their research. I think all the missions in GZ are based off of real US military operations.
“The Vietnam war is dragging on with no end in sight.” - Miller
Art (movies, music, games) is so powerful. It’s compelled me to do my own research on people, places, and events.
you think kaz and BB really existed?
@@geromendez5305
No, but you can find those kind of personalities in the military. Especially Kaz.
A fun little fact you might have not known about the pair: the eye and the finger are call signs for the role between the two. Basically you call the finger for the guy with the gun, the eye for the spotter for the general intel. Both are equally trained in the Same job and can switch out when necessary, so the role allows for one to easily distinguish between the two from a administrative role without having to keep track of their positions. This is why in The phantom pain they are opposite races than in ground zeros, as they decided to switch roles.
@@baker90338
Thank you!
@@DialloMoore503 Also, if you look at their models, Glaz (Eye) 's face resembles Kaz's, and Palitz (Finger) resembles Big Boss's. So the symbolism is more straightforward than it seems.
The dialog throughout...fucking amazing. You're bordering on rapping. Especially, in the beginning.
As the 1960's was the decade of love, the 1970's was certainly the decade of violence, not one of peace. The Sandinistas and the loss of stability in Central American through CIA proxy wars, the continued tribal/state warfare that befall Africa after the European colonists "officially" left the exploited content, the Lybian revolution, the Ethiopian instability following Halie Selessies's death, the Ugandan coup, India's rise to a nuclear power and the beginnings of the Pakistani nuclear program, Pol Pot and his killing fields of 3 million dead, the Olympic Israeli hostage deaths, the creation and rise of the Irish Republican Army and ending with the Iranian revolution. This does not even include in the significant rise in street level violence across the United States.
It's still strange to me how the decade known as the "peace of love" generation was one that included the assassinations of JFK, RFK, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr., as well as the introduction of 1500 US Marines to Vietnam, which ultimately led to an all out war. Maybe our fathers and mothers called the 1970's "the decade of violence" because they realized that the "peace and love" generation ultimately failed, mostly due to apathy by the end of the Flower Generation and the beginning of new, and just as bloody, decade.
Jorin, thank you once again for another educational, stimulating and entertaining video. If only there were more creators such as yourself, this medium, and this world, would be a far better place to suffer through.
I think weirdly enought that this decade will look a lot like the 70s or the 30s, a massive rise of the far-right groups, the rise on oil prices, an extremely fragil peace worldwide. And maybe a begining of the end of the nation-state as the monopoly of violence
There is certainly a pattern of repetition now. History may look like a circle, but the variations it tine make it more of a spiral inti several directions
what amazing timing. can’t wait to get into this. found your channel some months ago and fell in love with all your MGS content. i can confidently assume i have probably around 80-100 hours already, either watching or re-watching your videos. you’re the biggest reason i got back into MGSV. thanks! :D
Same been here for 3 months alot of good content related to The MGS series
Time is more of a spiral than a circle imo.
The paradox motif kinda started with peace walker. While PW's side ops are dubiously canon, the player must complete them in order to get the full story and it's context.
Time is a flat circle
From the Chico's Tapes investigations to this, it blows my mind how much depth and meaning you've mined from what I initially wrote-off as a basic gameplay teaser for TPP.
Always felt that ground zeroes needed more time in the spotlights, I'm glad you're revisiting it and i for one can't wait for more ground zeroes.
Thank you for adding so much texture and contemplation to my most recent playthrough of MGSV and GZ with your video analyses . Brilliant.
I've heard once the theory that Big Boss have the voice of the Doctor because this is how the Doctor remembers the mission, how rescue Paz and Chico.
This analysis brings MGSV’s major themes full circle and is extremely well done. Thank you for keeping the greatest serial narrative in gaming alive all these years after it ended.
Having the US torturing a child and his dissociation and obsession with the event works on so many levels. It’s literal but also symbolic of the generations post Vietnam functioning within the neoliberal power structures
To be fair the Guantanamo bay base has existed since the early 1900s, it just wasn't a mass prison camp until after the attacks
But all bases can have prisoners in them
Great video, it almost made me think that Kojima is weaponizing memes in conjunction with the idea of 1984. GZ tries so hard to invoke emotions into the player(thoughts generate emotions/emotions generate thoughts), using all these references so the player can create those vengeful thoughts all on their own(genesis).
It’s actually a great view on todays media as well, trying their hardest to invoke emotion of anger/fear, creating daily conflicts that never really end.. They just continue into tomorrow.
That segment about disassociation and child hood trauma is my demon. Thank you for this video Jorin Lee.
the big boss we got to play in the entirety of mgs v was such a better person then the real big boss, in the gz's tapes jack like miller couldn't give two sh*ts about paz but venom's very body language told more story of care and affection almost if he was one of the lovable goofballs from peace walker.
Been watching these videos a while and the link between phantom pain and leftover radiation from a nuclear explosion/warfare didn’t really click until he just so casually mentions it in the video which is another reason you can tally up this being the best Metal Grea Solid RUclips channel
I miss these tid bits playing the game sometimes being a big reason why i watch
One line that always sticks out to me is something that Kaz will sometimes say during the main mission: "The rain was coming down just as hard the day we met Paz. 'I only want peace for my country.' I can't believe we ever bought that cover story. After Paz tried to steal Zeke from us, and we watched her get pulled beneath the waves... There was one thing I kept asking myself. Which was the real Paz and which was the lie?"
How do you interpret this line given that Kaz says pretty explicitly at the end of PW that he knew who Paz and the Professor were all along, and that he knew Paz was a triple agent?
I have some interpretations:
1. I think given the themes of MGSV (and the parallels with MGS2), it's totally possible that the entirety of GZ is some sort of dream or hallucination or recollection of the medics implanted memories that he's reliving.. or something like that. In which case, Venom likely would have a distorted memory in which Kaz was just as fooled as Snake was; in order to make Kaz more trustworthy so that he and Venom would build up Diamond Dogs together.
2. It feels equally possible that this was simply a mistake/oversight in writing that no one noticed or cared to change
What do you mean by, which was the real Paz and which was a lie,
And how does tpp’s themes mirror mgs2. . ?
This feels way too deliberate for Kojima to overlook. Especially considering Peace Walker was released right before GZ.
@@sliceofzura
1. Paz was shown to have severe doubts and was heavily groomed by Zero in her tapes. It’s debatable if she even wanted to sell them out after Peace Walker.
2. Both Sons of Liberty and Phantom Pain start with a mission as who was advertised, continue with an entirely different person, and end on the note that anyone can be either snake or big boss. The difference is that while becoming the Snake is a choice, becoming the Boss is a curse passed on from tutor to student. You are sentenced to fight for the rest of your days. In TPP, Jack died, and gave the title of Boss to Venom. And whoever holds the title of Boss will live in endless battle.
The definition of what constitutes Torture as i recall it was changed 13 times during the Bush administration.
Ground Zeroes is a strange microcosm of much of the historical analysis you provide in so many of your essays.
I was always confused by what seemed like the culture of acceptance regarding an overt torture and "detainment" camp during the first decade of the millennium.
Playing this should be and was Disturbing, cushioned only by being able to engage in new mechanics at the time or appreciate its audio and visuals.
The photos that emerged from "Abu Graib" if that is the correct name (?) are just the tip of the iceberg.
Anyway im rambling, thanks for your ongoing hard work Boss 🐍
This was fucking fantastic. I always saw Ground Zeroes as a protest piece. I got so angry at those that scored the game negatively because they wanted the game to maintain its "goofier" tone. They literally had no clue what the game was trying to tell them. Braindead.
I agree so much
Played MGS3 before Peace Walker and than Ground Zeroes.
I felt it when it ended.
My wife gave me MGS Ground Zeroes and Phanton Pain as a birthday gift in 2016
I cant explain how much i love your videos. Never stop making these
one thing to add regarding split personality disorder is that a conspiranoic rumour states that it could have been intentionally provoked to create soldiers that could endure all kind of tortures. These soldiers would only come to, if a particular word (or a group) is spoken. Like locolope, from los simuladores.
Like Quiet talking for the first time and calling Snake "Ahab" 🤔
@@vikkvikk13 I was thinking more about the replacements of the gene's bases
I love your video essays so much. They unpack the impossibly dense world-building & real-world references/nods of the MGS series in a way that I never even considered, during my years spent playing them. Keep up the good work, Boss!
this was so fucking good, I love your analysis of the 1970s and the war on terror, are you familiar with the documentaries of adam curtis?? your work reminds me of his a lot and thats a massive compliment !
Love adam curtis, and these videos do remind me of his work
I think the whole MGSV is incredible but I couldn't get into it Gameplay wise myself. But it's incredible to watch others play and also about the lore.
Great content as always! I'd be happy to see the side ops explored.
I think your comparison of an abusive parent/child relationship and the relationship between the American government and American public is really, really interesting! It really is the same thing in a lot of ways. Another great video!
One only needs to look at the classy work of the loving, tolerant, and kind work of the ATF for examples
@@baker90338not just them, the cia and fbi experimenting on citizens and killing civil rights activists
Absolutely love it. I look forward to every upload, man. You do fantastic work and thank you for all the effort you put in to each and every video.
Who else knows the intro text by heart. I really felt the pain After 200+ hours in Peace walker. Luckily I played mgs4 After 5. Never felt such a relief as when I finally got my revenge on zero
I had to watch this a few times in a row, so much information and so well organized
The best and worst thing about analyzing Ground Zeroes is that it is a case of unreliable narrator. All paradoxes or inconsistencies can be swept aside once you accept the interpretation that MGSV:GZ is not the lived experience of Big Boss, but rather the false memories implanted in the mind of Venom Snake.
How do you know the memories are false? Cassette tapes in the phantom pain confirm the events of ground zeroes?
This is basically "it isn't bad writting, it's a feature" as an excuse. Not to mention that Ground Zeroes isn't even from Venom's perspective, rather Big Boss/Snake's.
The gift you have of speaking, and also finding truth trought this games is amazing. Speak the truth brother !
You make everyday a better day with each upload!
The ending of this video hits the nail on the head, and always reminds me of how truly connected the themes of these games and our real world overlap.
Please, keep this content coming!!🙏. Amazing🤘🏻
Thank you for this video. Absolutely vital.
Yet another banger video. Thanks Boss
Amazing thumbnails , as always!
So you're saying Cipher did 9/11?
A very bold, yet honest, thing to say
So well presented! Good job. Great brain in your head
Another great video, Boss!!.
dope content man
Just want to say that the song “Here’s to You” slaps.
I really enjoyed this video.. definitely in my top 5
More! Always enjoy your essays #MGSV 👍🏼🔥
I love your channel so much.
I first played MGSV May last year. After all this time, I still cannot watch that bomb extraction scene...
Might sound dumb but I never would've known the Gitmo reference if not for this channel.
Another brilliant presentation from, Jorin. Well done. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What happened with Zeke? Is it still down there on the Ocean floor to this day, it seems all future metal gears (except TX-55 and D who look like reverse engineered copies of rusty wreck fished out the sea) are based on Sally, so was its technology lost for long enough to become irrelevant?
If my memory is correct there are cassette tapes in The Phantom Pain that reveal what happened with Zeke but I can’t remember the details
Wow great conclusion @7:20
besides me always getting obsessed with msg around my birthday because of you ill be replaying the PP for the first time really soon :)
Plz be careful playing the pp
Thank you Jorin
It was fun speed running this one. Really the only game I ever did that in.
Ero pronto a commentare con un "soul reaver", ma mi hai anticipato!
Nice just started playing mgsv again, I made an m16 gl. Pro tip: the event reward battle fatigues (Desert Ambush) looks great to cosplay the U.S
The mrs4R is a SAR80, unfortunately. If I can recommend one, take a look at the chocolate chip “desert camo” for maximum desert storm vibes.
you left an "um" in the cut at 15:50 ish, i was surprised to hear it for how clean your takes are
Who knew that a small game like Ground Zeroes was such a work of art.
You know what they say, "Less is more"
I liked the dark side on display in this game.What they did to everyone, particularly Paz and Chico was brutal (especially if you listen to the tapes)
TPP sadly falls short, though it does have dark moments, some fall flat.For example Big Boss "murdering" his infected troops turning him into a "Devil" didn't hit because everyone, you (the player), Big Boss and the "victims" knew and agreed he had to it, so much so they stand and salute and let you do it.
The heart of TPPs issues really boils down to Snake never really stepping into the shoes of Big Boss (which is ironic)
At the end of Peace Walker it really started to look like Snake was finally stepping into being Big Boss.
He was supposed to be somewhat evil by MG1/MG2 but the moment never arrives (whether you go off fake BB or real BB)
Some might argue that that's the point, that the BB we thought we knew from the outside wasn't real and that the real story of both the fake and real BB is that they were more complex but I simply don't buy into it.
Imo Hideo felt almost afraid to make him go fully evil and I think that's a shame.
Totally agree with you
Theres no point in telling a story with a 100% evil villian. That doesnt happen. Even Hitler loved his wife. Doesnt excuse the things he did, but even he had love in him. It would be completely destructive to any narrative.
@@alexrivers8163 if that is your point than you're totally wrong in this. Did you watch the Joker movie? It brilliantly portrait how Arthur become the Evil Joker - the most iconic villain in Batman. Even people loved Dark Knight's Joker as well and the way Nolan portrayed him. Sadly Hideo Kojima did fan service in Phantom Pain and lot of content felt cut or forcefully removed. Even killing the soldiers in Afghanistan would trigger Demon Snake with horns. We all wanted to see whether Big Boss or Venom become completely evil but the game failed in that miserably. Interestingly Rockstar's Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption didn't disappoint us with a different character and touchy story. Phantom Pain on the other hand felt seriously short.
@@sarahphyllis5782 joker wasn't 100% evil. He was a soldier who was wounded in battle in the nolan verse and thus his motives against society regardless of what he says in the movie are sympathetic.
@@sarahphyllis5782 also Arthur wasn't 100% evil Arthur was also sympathetic
Despite the plainly grim tone of the game and content, seems like you have fun with this script. So did I!
i wasnt sure what you meant by no POV in your context but it means personally owned vehicle
Although the classics are classics, I would really love to see the 8-bits be remade...imagine Hayter vs Sutherland with his red arm...
Something to watch before bed
This timestamp 22:28 may also cause some "conflicts" of massive magnitude with the viewer's "internal timeline" lasting for about 1 minute and 28 seconds "for a S-Special reason."
Would love to know your thoughts/theories on Chapter 3
Interesting video. Just one point of clarification, though. The sign regarding “No POVs” is common on military bases. Refers to “privately owned vehicles” not being allowed past certain points…don’t think it’s Kojima being cleaver about points of view or anything.
side-ops revisiting ftw🙌🏻
and more gz stuff.
everytime I see an essay of yours, I just need to play MGS V again
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Electronic Essays, you mean.
"The gap in the door, it's, a separate reality"
Season 5 of Blowback is heavily inspired by MGS, I highly recommend you guys check it out
This is like BioShock Infinite all over again.
I'm still shocked about what happened to Paz. T.T
I need to reinstall GZ now
Thank you
You probably get asked this alot, but are you planning to do an essay series for MGS 3 and 4, similar to MGS 1 and 2? :)
I don’t know why but RUclips refuses to notify me of your videos even though I have the bell rung.
I'm starting to think that MGS3 is just the simulation that the medic was force fed while he was in his coma. Hence the paradox game over screens
It sucks phantom pain wasn’t finished. All the things you pointed out just goes to show that there was so much to say!
It was finished. Just not fleshed out enough.
@@AarturoSc nah
Ground zero is a coma dream.....?
Would really help to add a basic animated timeline to your videos. Check out SecretBase's long form sports stories for an interest visual to present such data and stories.
Honestly ik its probably a lot to ask but since this game is so short wish they added like more than one ending like imagine if you did smth a little different knowing what will happen and it changes it like maybe if you do it in a certain time frame then you go home early and stop the search and save mother base id love to see smth like that at least
Excellent video, great to listen western people telling the things as it is and no BS.
Jorin knocking it out of the park again 🖖🗽🫡
Essay on the album Operation Mindcrime when?
THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE🗣️🔊🔥✍️
yes
Please continue mgs 5 secrets of the cut scene
I still miss Paz
The last time i was this early, I saw a guy climbing into a cardboard box?
i love these videos to death but one thing i hate more than everything on the planet is the 15 adds a second i get.
Another great video, but I gotta ask, how many takes did 11:45 take!
Why don't you do a video on Mgo 1,2,3?
First of all, great vid as always second your thoughts and direction are always on point. The only thing I would say that could be taken into consideration is that America has always wanted to be the bigger brother and because of this they have stuck there noses into to many personal issues that they do not truly understand. Iraq at the time was being held in an iron fist by former dictator Sudam Hussein. They where crying out failing to realize that without Sudam , they would not have a defense against Iran and other parties with there own personal interest for Iraq. Vietnam was almost the same case. Thanks for the vid. Over and out.
He doesn’t miss folks
Holy crap the amount of times of trying to tie this to 9/11 is mind blowing
The game was made by Japanese people