Trying to understand this game is like reading the Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes, in English. It’s one of the most unreadable texts I have come across. I grew to appreciate writing classes from then on. Kojima is a bona fide mad lad for being able to write such gibberish, yet under a certain *cipher* for it to make sense. Or maybe he’s actually mad. He did turn the most hated video game mission into a whole game. 2 if you believe Death Stranding is getting a sequel.
I feel sorry for Kaz. He's the only one without plotting something behind everyone's back. He just wanted his revenge and his old life at the MSF back, and yet the narrative keeps telling people that he lost his mind and gone crazy
Old comment but Kaz was the one who betrayed big boss originally. His voice can be heard in the tapes where their shoving the bomb in Paz and he has tapes where he’s talking to skull face
@@thrillainthemanilla1409bruh this just makes me hate him even more now. he watched and or joined when paz was r*ped, shoved a bomb in her, and then acted all surprised and angry when mother base went down knowing full well it was his fault. fuck miller the more i see of him the more i hate him
@@thrillainthemanilla1409 I see it poetic justice plus Kaz is a hypocrite during the ending and so tone deaf throughout the game with eli. In my opinion Kaz should've had his ass put on trial Big boss made it clear to only hide the information just for himself and stated before he's essentially a gullible child throwing a temper tantrum plus he becomes a liability wouldn't be surprised if big boss order ocelot to assassinate miller Mgs 1.
Lol pretty much sums that up! I used Quiet exclusively after I got her as an ally. Especially for her ability to clear a whole compound on her own, NON-LETHALLY!
@D_ans Yeah for sure! I used D-Dog exclusively until I got Quiet. D-Dog was great for me as I liked to do minimal scouting and play things by ear when I first started MGSV. Changing my infiltration strategies on the fly as the mission went on. With Quiet, it made me be more methodical and look for the more "obvious" paths that each mission sorta has laid out with enemies and their cycles. Both D-Dog and Quiet are well balanced that using D-Dog doesn't become moot after you get quiet as he has perks that Quiet doesn't have too. Both companions are viable IMO at the end of the day. This just shows how MGSV could be played so differently depending on the player's own style ya know.
It's a shame that all of this subtlety gets somewhat lost when playing the game. A lot of these details went over my head, or I was doing so many side ops that some story bits got lost on me. The video is really enlightening and gives some nice context.
I remember when I played and finished the thing a few years ago, I had an impression that there was something interesting going on under the surface, which left me with an interesting feeling; the way Miller and most of the people around V talk to you felt very schizophrenic--the Kojima-deception touches were all there. But right, the capability of the player to delve into that stuff was limited by a very overly-busy gameplay system. All the mechanics that you had to get concerned with to get the most out of the gameplay were very distracting, in my opinion. I found the schizophrenia of the whole thing interesting, but it wasn't satisfying, unlike previous MG games. Actually, there was nothing about the experience that made me want to go back and play it again. Overall, I think even though a lot of folks seem to like the kind of episodic gameplay that Peace Walker and TPP provide, I don't think Kojima's storytelling style suits that kind of gameplay system. The two don't seem to mesh naturally. I have a lot of respect for the maker of this video for being able to extract all of this. I wouldn't have had the patience.
Charlie Revord I’ve only recently started! Waited til I could get it on PC before giving it a proper go. So far I’m enjoying the gameplay loop, but yeah, I’m eager to see how I find the whole experience. Will have to report back haha
Yeah holy shit. I was taking the events at face value waiting for the end to twist the knife. Seems like this game Koji wanted to the player to feel lost and lied to. Until they dug for this. It seems like if you apply this to the entire game, it makes what seemed like Koji Pro's laziest storytelling, hidden as some of their deepest.
i'm glad too, started this game after playing Death Stranding and impressed the graphic still compete with nowadays game although it's 4 year old game, im still playing it on mission 17 tho
So is this basically implying that cipher used venom as a puppet to allow the boss to go on with his work while also getting skull face taken out as a threat
That's what it is in short terms, the whole game is about being stripped away till you know that you're just a pawn in a game that doesn't need you anymore
Dawkins wrote 'The Selfish Gene' in the mid 70's and as far as I know was the first to coin the term 'Meme' to describe a cultural trend that spreads and mutates in the same way as a gene.
27:34 Am I mistaken that Miller vows to build up Venom Snake to defeat Big Boss and is consequently killed by Ocelot? That would mean that Miller is loyal to Venom but only for his own means. Besides, on some subconscious level, Miller remembers the medic, Ahab, because he was Big Boss’ most trusted soldier. The more I play this game, the more I realize that we were destined to defy out fate (becoming a demon) and have the option to choose to be a “good” Snake. That would make Big Boss a villain, not only for killing us, but killing someone who was good.
This series has more layers than it has any right to. That's not a bad thing. Just saying it's kinda wild how many philosophies, ideologies and interactions between you and the game just ping pong off each other relentlessly
This game is a masterpiece of storytelling Even with its flaws, it's still a masterpiece in my head and nobody can change that To learn how this slots in to all the metal gear games is amazing to experience
@Leon Russell watching the extensive amounts of cutscenes might help that aswell just as a reminder And you don't need to tell me what's wrong with the game, as I said, even with its flaws in still gonna love it and you can't change that. I don't need someone telling me about the problems I don't care about
I have to be honest, I'm mostly an immersive sim/stealth game fan and I heard that MGSV has some of the best stealth mechanics in existence, so I thought I'd be fine just hopping into MGSV without having played ANY of the previous games and I'd just focus on the gameplay and completely ignore the plot. That was a uhh... mistake. I wasn't disappointed with the gameplay at all: it's incredibly fun and polished and there are so many opportunities for emergent systems-driven planning and creativity. I fucking love it, but I'm far more lost with the story than I thought I'd be. Considering how much I love the game having beaten it (despite not having zero knowledge of what the actual fuck was going on in the plot), I'm now interested in playing all the older MGS games, not just because I love this style of stealth gameplay but because I kind of want context.
@@joetroutt7425 If I were you I'd try playing the rest of the games, or at least watching the cutscenes for such games in this order: MGS3, Peace Walker, MSX Metal Gear games, MGS1, MGS2, and MGS4.
@@spideyfan300 the only games I haven't played of all those is mgs4 and peacewalker. I never had a PS3 and my PS4 won't play PS3 games and I'm not online. I think I will eventually get a PS3 just to play those games.
Started researching the MGS universe... I just accidentally achieved my second doctorates, this one in metaphysics, my first in robotics and AI. I still don't have a clue. Kojima is a genius and madman far beyond any of us, and I both fear and respect him.
I happened to find Paz almost immediately when the medical platform was built. When Ocelot (the guy who hypnotized himself into thinking arms could possess people) brought up dissociative dissonance and amnesia and what not, I was under the impression that the man with helicopter and human fragments in his skull and body would be a somewhat unreliable source. I thought he was simply in denial and the brain damage was making his trauma way worse. Oh boy if only
Malak in Hebrew means Messenger, but Melech means King. “A Messenger with Broken Wings” more than likely alludes to Lucifer. Lucifer, Devil, and Satan are not the same. Satan means, ‘Adversary,’ and there are more than one ‘Satans.’ Devil is a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew ‘Satan.’ That means there are also ‘devils,’ not a singular entity.
It’s so weird skull face is kinda the whole reason MGS series played out the way it did. Had he not gone into a coma I think Zero would have tried to make it right with Snake.
@BrokenMikrofone If your first reaction to someone speculating into lore and having fun with it is to get aggressive cause they enjoyed it more than you did, who is really the one coping?
Venous Snake also collects people for his operation in the field, and ocelot is a master interrogater. Venous snake is bringing people into the Lion's Den. They think they are being saved but really are falling into the hands of their unknown enemy and masters. Though at one point they kill their own people, through a virus that attaches to the vocal cords, so the player is non the wiser, that this is a ploy.
It's refreshing to see someone actually dive into the text presented to us and try to make sense of it instead of going on about how all of this is a metaphor for Kojima's feelings
I hope you do a part 2. Out of all the MGS games, V is one of the most confusing because the line between reality and simulation has never been so blurry. There's not much explanation in game or in essay/videos so this helps a lot to understand just what is going on
@@meticulouselectronics I've heard the theory that GZ was an implanted memory in Venom but never that BB is the leader of XOF. If that was the case, was XOF sent in as just another part of Venoms mental training? How do you explain Skull Face not being there at all through Phantom Pain tho? He's in the tapes and you see him quite a lot?
@@DANtheMANofSIPA big boss needed to go into hiding to create outer heaven. Xof was his army for outer heaven. He was there with venom when he woke up to make sure he wasn't killed by Quiet. There was no real enemy for Venom, Zero was looking for Big boss. So venoms mind created skullface. There are moments after he "dies" where Venom still sees him. Venom also hallucinates entire tapes, and encounters from Paz, who also died.
@@JuriSins MGSV has one massive problem which makes me not want to 100% it at all: it becomes easy to the point of not being fun anymore. And the additional objectives in missions don't make missions harder, just more muddled. He outdid himself in terms of story presentation and meaning, but totally dropped the ball with balance. Unless it's Konami's fault and Kojima never intended to boost the player's progress with online money and rewards.
Patryk Żukowski It’s easy because you play the game entirely in stealth. The game gets harder with more encounters you have, it’s nearly impossible to against a fully armed militia in the end. Your point is invalid
@@wezzsimple6612 What? Fully armored guys can be stunned with decoys and it's piss easy. I won't even mention the fully upgraded stun arm. A rookie is trying to teach me the game...
This is my favorite game ever made and I love how the metal gear fan base has this love-hate relationship with this game, but they are dedicated to keeping this game and this franchise alive by talking about it and making videos about it several years after the franchise being over. I thank you for supporting the cause
The metal gear fan base originally didn't see between the lines and now the ones who do, find the game the best masterpiece of the franchise. The game should have had a grey fox, sniper wolf, flamethrower guy etc and lead into the combination of motherbase and outer heaven
The thing about Diamond Dogs having people within the superpowers is mentioned by Kaz in a tape, he calls them HEC, and that they are basically moles that go to battlefields to give you intel, or make their way into the superpowers to know what's happenig within governments and ensure Diamond Dogs gets work.
Thanks so much for making this i was just watching you and it’s suprising when i see you uploaded so fast, and thanks for going over what actually happens because so many people will say nothing happened in this game
Just like the "V" standing for the letter and the number, the phrase "V has come to" is also "5 has come 2". It marks the beginning of the 2nd part of the game split into 2, as well as the 2nd episode of "the TV series" following the "pilot episode", the main Ground Zeroes mission.
I see it almost as like what the doctor said when you first woke up in Cyprus, that we may not really see things as they are, so by saying "5 has come 2" it's almost like the game is saying "5 has now become 2", a sort of variation of 2+2=5. But then again, that's my take on it
@@n_worder Definitely similar in the sense that in MGS2 you're playing as what is intended to be a memetic clone of Solid Snake and in MGSV you're playing as BB's body double and memetic clone.
This channel is the best mgs channel explaining with consistent content I've seen. I never knew or paid attention to any of this in game clues. Great video!
"I don't want to listen to an audiobook on cassette tapes! Now... excuse me while I play a real MGS game - which yes, is me listening to the audiobook that is Col. Campbell, Naomi, and Mei Ling each talk to me on the codec for 30 minutes every time I turn a corner".
@Klinger Kun changed everything else that Trump did, but that was the one thing he decided to keep, against the advice of every general and foreign policy expert we have. Totally Trump's fault. Totally.
@@B0ULLIE Crazy? Well you have to be able to come up all the extreme stuff in the series. But that's what makes it fun and unique. Imagine Metal Gear Solid, and then strip away Psycho Mantis, Gray Fox and Otacon, remove the sections where you're expected to look at the game case or put the controller up to your arm so the vibration heals you. It's easy to see how without the charm of these stranger elements, Metal Gear Solid would feel a lot more generic.
Awesome video, when people say MGSV has a bad story, they don’t focus on the dialogue by radio and cassettes, it has a very amazing atmosphere of storytelling
Yeah, because that is what I want in my MGS - having to focus on shit that is being told in audio cassettes recorded for no reason. Pull your head out of Kojima's ass. The game's shit and he clearly didn't want to make it.
@@joetroutt7425 You think so ? I'm pretty sure he's probably much more surprised that quite a lot of people pushed that pile of shit back up his rectum. I don't think he misses MGS. He wanted to be done with it for decades, allegedly. But it's true - Death Stranding is the anti-fun. MGS used to be about crazy shit going on literally each half an hour, with everything culminating in some absurdly over-the-top, entertaining awesomness... But that was old Kojima, the one who still realized that in order to be praised he has to deliver. This new Kojima is a overpraised has-been genius who for a moment thought that he's on top of the world and can subject gamers to literally any type of boredom now that he's hailed as some kind of messiah. That's just what happens when a guy who starts with a game about a penguin gets praised into the skies long enough.
There aren't "three ciphers" there aren't even two. There is only one Cipher, which is Zero's organization. XOF used to be part of it, but Skull Face and XOF split up with Cipher to carry out his revenge on the world. This whole time you are fighting only XOF and russian or central african military that have absolutely nothing to do with Cipher. Miller is just going on and on about Cipher because he developed a huge paranoia and Ocelot feeds into it too because he is in on it, as Zero told him personally.
You make a good point. There has always been one cipher. Secretly ran by zero. Skull face was a part of it. Even back in 64 when skull face shadowed big boss' mission. However that all went to hell in 75 when skull face became a mutinee by attacking msf and big boss and then trying to kill his own cipher boss zero with that pin. The original cipher only wanted to establish big boss, although big boss wanted nothing to do with zero/cipher. Zero was obsessed with big boss and clearly loved him to the end as you can hear in that final tape where zero goes through all the trouble of visiting him in the Cyprus hospital. The ai cipher is zero's cipher after the attack on him and he can no longer trust his own cognitive capabilities and future (as he admitts to big boss in the hospital) and he orders sigint to put up this plan
@@Nilon241 Miller says "It's XOF, it will end up in Cipher's hands." As I told you, XOF hasn't been part of Cipher since at least Ground Zeroes. Miller doesn't know, he thinks it's Cipher behind everything due to his paranoia. In reality it's just XOF remnants.
I'm in the middle of my second playthrough of this game. I remember playing it when it first came out 5 years ago and I had no idea what was going on. Now I am trying to pay close attention to try to understand what actually happened. This video should help
@@aplasticsoldier9130 wow, thanks I guess. What a nice way to help someone. Btw I don't want to delete my file, grinding all those R&D are impossible with my timeframe. No need to be rude if you still don't get the message.
@@dantederi5062 dont worry, man, i wasnt rude, that shrapnel in your head is just a clear indicator that something might be wrong with your brain, game on
You are such a good RUclipsr. You've really earned your chops through a bevy of fantastic gaming essays and I will definitely continue to watch anything you put out.
I revisited this game for my platinum trophy and my God the things I had missed before, replaying the game and listening to all cassette tapes helps you understand this game more effectively
Damn dude, you honestly have some of the best MGS content out there. You go past just lore and analysis and talk about how weapons, and tech are compared to real life. I also love you vice city 9/11 vid. Keep up the good work.
Perfect timing, Boss! Just bought the pc version (double dipping) in steam summer sale!
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Due to it being a stealth and Metal Gear Solid game I would recommend using a controller to play it. You get more precise character movement and the button layout fits perfectly. At least this is how I played it.
@ the 360 degrees movement of a controller is great, yeah. The 8 different directions of movements with WASD leave something to be desired ,true. Though the precission and speed of a mouse do make up for it. Makes aiming a little to easy sometimes... Luckilly I can switch between controller setups whenever I want 😁
THE1NONLY1 mouse aiming is king though. I played first on Xbox and second on PC with kb/m and I think kb/m is better.
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@@MarioLuigi0404 I never said the aiming wasn't better I said the movement is. I exclusively play PC and in the first day I needed to plug in a controller since on M/KB you can either run or press a button and walk super slowly. A controller works better for this game since you'll do more sneaking than shooting.
Wow, you have really gone above and beyond with this video! I just recently started my 4th play through of the game (once on PS3, twice on PS4, and now on PC) and with each play through I would come to question even more of the narrative and intentions of the characters told to us and you have given the perfect answers (or as close to answers as we’ll get) to so many thoughts that crossed my mind. I really hope you do a second part. These videos are also a great way to celebrate the 5th anniversary of the game next month.
God your videos are so good, they continue to make this game re-blow me away now 5 years after playing it. I really should regive the entire metal gear series a play now that I'm an adult.
Your channel deserves so much more in terms of views. I love how much content you create out of one of the best series ever made. It’s a shame it’s gone 😔
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 to unlock the nuclear disarmament scene that triggers once all nukes on that platform have been disarmed. The PS3 severs very recently had all nukes disarmed.
I raid FOBs every day. 7 out of 10 times either the rival that owns the FOB or one of their supporters shows up to defend it. It's still a pretty active game on PS4.
I'm glad you stopped where you did. This is about as far as I got and it reminds me how much I actually wasnt missing. I'm definitely going to have to redownload this and keep at it. I just had to make room for doom eternal haha
This really opened more then what I remembered playing hours of this game! Man this is some good info and small details that anyone can miss playing normally. I look forward to the next episode!
Watching your content makes me feel like I'm back in college, taking an elective on the Metal Gear Lore. Such detailed explanations explained in a very cohesive manner. You are a goat!
I never saw Skull Face having any interesting on taking over Cipher/Patriots itself, for the sake of power that is, it was more that he was using Zero's infrastructure to get his revenge on the world, he had seized XOF for himself and was doing well with just the one branch of Cipher/Patriots. On a side note, after I finished the game, after some thinking, I started to think that maybe Skull Face is supposed to be a reflection of Venom Snake in many ways and Kojima do seem to imply that heavily in his trailers, like Skull Face's backstory being paralle to Venom's brainwashing. But for me there's one parallel that stood out for me, Skull face seizing a part of Zero's Cipher to his own agenda.... and Venom on Outer Heaven's uprising. I strongly believe that after discovering the truth, Venom Snake took the same route of Skull Face and that Big Boss did sent Solid Snake to kill him.
Never looked at it like that !!! Interesting theory definitely makes sense. I took it as even after he found out the truth he was still loyal to big boss. I read somewhere that chipor attacked DD because there can only be one big boss and venom has played his role so his time is up. D dog along with many others die. Venom along with a handful of DD survivors find refuge at outer heaven. Big boss leaves venom in charge while he takes command of foxhound to keep an eye on the inside. Eventually word gets out about a new nation to the government and big boss takes the task. He then sends in solid snake to obtain false information, but solid snake kept digging deeper and deeper till he found out about the metal gear amd destroyed everything. That was the point of outerheaven to be a place for Soldiers when there not needed. Plus when listening to the truth tapes its obvious its under attack. Its under attack by chipor, then when the camera backs up the logo changes to outerheaven, with shoots beeing heard, now hes in the real outerheaven and its under attack by solid, he looks in the mirror amd sees the demon hes become to make there dream (big boss amd now his ) come to light only to be takin by solid, punches the mirror and heads into the room to fight solid.
I think in the end tapes in impled that Skullface was sitting on the sidelines at the Snake Eater mission if Snake failed. That he always got BBs leftovers, and that's what made him bitter against Zero and BB I think Skull is supposed to be Big Bosses black mirror reflection, the Cane to Snake's Able. Remember he opposed the real BB in Ground Zeros? Skull is among the people that don't know about the body double. The last piece of evidence for this is how zero used a copy of BB to kill Skull, because he used a copy of the boss's pin to kill Zero. Sounds like a morrored final taunt.
@@SoullessMadness listen to the truth tapes, very carefully. They're amazingly acted, get a lot across, and recontextualize the entire story for an amazing 2nd playthrough. One where you understand all the main characters motivations, when playing their roles in MGSV.
I just replayed MGSV over the course of the last two weeks and I did get the translation you mention at 17:01. I think there was a side op I went out of my way to do as soon as it opened up.
Vault Rant Oh, but do you truly understand why ? Do you feel just how big of a letdown, waste of time and unjustly appreciated this degenerative software is ?And are you going to hate it with me ? Most-likely not. Because you just can’t admit to it, will reinforce any and every kind of overthought theory you’ll be capable of pulling out of this game’s ass to somehow justify every flaw. That’s how fucking cults work. And that’s a different reason I am so utterly disgusted - my own “brothers in arms”, people I supposedly shared the batshit crazy, absolutely awesome events of the rest of the series... keep defending *THIS* trash !!! It makes my goddamn blood boil !
13:51 that’s honestly a pretty creative way of saying, this is why I, Arthur Morgan, I mean Skullface will not be mentioned in any subsequent games or any other materials chronologically speaking. It’s about as well as you can do a blatant retcon.
I just picked up MGSV again and suddenly this appears. Playing it with all this knowledge really enhances the experience, can't wait for the next chapter
Kojima has what I like to call a rabbit hole style of writing story plots. Everything seems seemingly basic and dry but once you dive in and start to move the dirt you get to see what you thought was right was completely wrong. Love him or hate him Kojima is truly talented at bringing out one’s emotions especially his fans lol.
Something I'd like to add to "Where the Bees Sleep" is that on a first viewing, at least for me, Sahelanthropus was only shown by its , and mechanical hand, grabbing Venom To me this is not only a connection between the bionics expert, the prosthetic, and Sahelanthropus, but its as if to show Venom is gripped by his disability and struggles as a result of it
After MG Solid the story became so freaking out there that you damn near needed an advance degree in Metal Gear history to understand what the hell is going on..
It’s a testament to how good this game is that I, and many others, enjoyed playing dozens if not hundreds of hours without knowing what the hell was ever going on in terms of the story
Hey man, absolutely ADORE your videos and channel cause MGS is a life-changing game series. Can you PLEASE eventually do these 'what even happens' videos for every MGS game? I literally put these on my RUclips playlist for when I sleep and I sort of wake up to some of them with a warmth in my heart sometimes haha
You automatically win. You are the only person I have seen that finally gets the title right. It is MGS V NOT 5. You are the only one I have seen that gets it completely right. For that alone you get a A+.
17:22 holy shit just realized this is another nod to the fact Venom is a copy, since in MGS3 Big Boss gets complimented on speaking Russian fluently at some point in the game. crazy foreshadowing
Glad someone else saw what I saw. The Smoke and Mirrors in this game are very well placed and everything always seems well staged, every mission seems like a set and objectives are too similar to how things occur in later games. Awesome game though I replayed it again saw so much I didn't before.
Natsuki814 Natsuki814 Natsuki814 Snake says ‘Cypher’ when he looks at the flying-camera device, so that must mean the device is called a Cipher itself - Otacon thinks it’s with the Military (Cypher-T), but Snake says it’s Army. I am not sure that Snake knows of the hidden group at this point in the story, though I may be wrong. Here is a link to a real-world device the game device may be based on en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Cypher
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finished MGSV twice and watching this video still feels like spoilers
exactly lol
Then it'll feel just the sane if you've never played the game neat
Trying to understand this game is like reading the Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes, in English. It’s one of the most unreadable texts I have come across. I grew to appreciate writing classes from then on.
Kojima is a bona fide mad lad for being able to write such gibberish, yet under a certain *cipher* for it to make sense. Or maybe he’s actually mad. He did turn the most hated video game mission into a whole game. 2 if you believe Death Stranding is getting a sequel.
@@sndn7733for real tho every time I go back and replay it I get a new cutscene I’ve never seen
you spent more time repeating missions you forgot there is a story
Kojima was secretly trying to train us to become soldiers in his war against Konami.
Well Watchdogs showed us how to do it.
I thought about that too man. Interesting 🤔
PT Is already a message against Konami
phone game bad
I'm definitely with Konami
I feel sorry for Kaz. He's the only one without plotting something behind everyone's back. He just wanted his revenge and his old life at the MSF back, and yet the narrative keeps telling people that he lost his mind and gone crazy
Old comment but Kaz was the one who betrayed big boss originally. His voice can be heard in the tapes where their shoving the bomb in Paz and he has tapes where he’s talking to skull face
i mean he is absolutely insane 💀 just because his motives are straightforward doesn't mean he's not a nutcase
@@thrillainthemanilla1409bruh this just makes me hate him even more now. he watched and or joined when paz was r*ped, shoved a bomb in her, and then acted all surprised and angry when mother base went down knowing full well it was his fault. fuck miller the more i see of him the more i hate him
@@thrillainthemanilla1409 I see it poetic justice plus Kaz is a hypocrite during the ending and so tone deaf throughout the game with eli. In my opinion Kaz should've had his ass put on trial Big boss made it clear to only hide the information just for himself and stated before he's essentially a gullible child throwing a temper tantrum plus he becomes a liability wouldn't be surprised if big boss order ocelot to assassinate miller Mgs 1.
Lol, lmao even.
On sparing Quiet's life.
Ocelot: "All women, are queens."
Miller: "If she BREATHES, she's a THOOOOTTTTT."
Lol pretty much sums that up! I used Quiet exclusively after I got her as an ally. Especially for her ability to clear a whole compound on her own, NON-LETHALLY!
@D_ans Yeah for sure! I used D-Dog exclusively until I got Quiet. D-Dog was great for me as I liked to do minimal scouting and play things by ear when I first started MGSV. Changing my infiltration strategies on the fly as the mission went on. With Quiet, it made me be more methodical and look for the more "obvious" paths that each mission sorta has laid out with enemies and their cycles. Both D-Dog and Quiet are well balanced that using D-Dog doesn't become moot after you get quiet as he has perks that Quiet doesn't have too. Both companions are viable IMO at the end of the day. This just shows how MGSV could be played so differently depending on the player's own style ya know.
Lmfao
Super Kami Miller
All women can be imprisoned and forced to give information
Shout out to 21 minutes in where he's interrogating a man that supposedly slaughtered a base, while kids in America plays in the background
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Lmao that moment clicked together so many things for me about this game. Like holy shit, I see why that song is in the game now...
Snake, Miller, and Ocelot are truly all kids of America. The diamond dogs all are
Reminds me of Roger from that episode of American dad lol
Ocelot is russian tho...
It's a shame that all of this subtlety gets somewhat lost when playing the game. A lot of these details went over my head, or I was doing so many side ops that some story bits got lost on me. The video is really enlightening and gives some nice context.
I remember when I played and finished the thing a few years ago, I had an impression that there was something interesting going on under the surface, which left me with an interesting feeling; the way Miller and most of the people around V talk to you felt very schizophrenic--the Kojima-deception touches were all there.
But right, the capability of the player to delve into that stuff was limited by a very overly-busy gameplay system. All the mechanics that you had to get concerned with to get the most out of the gameplay were very distracting, in my opinion. I found the schizophrenia of the whole thing interesting, but it wasn't satisfying, unlike previous MG games. Actually, there was nothing about the experience that made me want to go back and play it again. Overall, I think even though a lot of folks seem to like the kind of episodic gameplay that Peace Walker and TPP provide, I don't think Kojima's storytelling style suits that kind of gameplay system. The two don't seem to mesh naturally. I have a lot of respect for the maker of this video for being able to extract all of this. I wouldn't have had the patience.
@@null140 What did you think of Death Stranding? I am curious given your remark about the episodic gameplay of PW and TPP.
Charlie Revord I’ve only recently started! Waited til I could get it on PC before giving it a proper go. So far I’m enjoying the gameplay loop, but yeah, I’m eager to see how I find the whole experience. Will have to report back haha
Yeah holy shit. I was taking the events at face value waiting for the end to twist the knife. Seems like this game Koji wanted to the player to feel lost and lied to. Until they dug for this. It seems like if you apply this to the entire game, it makes what seemed like Koji Pro's laziest storytelling, hidden as some of their deepest.
@Kanishka Bhuller fuckers got me playing V again looking for the answers myself.
Here I was thinking that no one cared about this game anymore. I'm glad I'm not the only one who is playing this right now.
i'm glad too, started this game after playing Death Stranding and impressed the graphic still compete with nowadays game although it's 4 year old game, im still playing it on mission 17 tho
Time to replay mgsv with a soviet soundtrack
Same!
This game is amazing to comeback and replay from time to time
My buddy Dave still plays it. He has part 2 though.
Professor: "The test isn't that confusing"
The Test:
hahaha funny man
Your memes end here
He does tend to overcomplicate some things that have a much simpler answer
So is this basically implying that cipher used venom as a puppet to allow the boss to go on with his work while also getting skull face taken out as a threat
That's what it is in short terms, the whole game is about being stripped away till you know that you're just a pawn in a game that doesn't need you anymore
Is that not exactly what The Patriots tried to do with Liquid Ocelot? Echoes of the past and future.
@@BobLogical That's what the Patriots do in every post 3 game. Solid just kinda breaks the cycle with Naomi's help in 4.
but zero was already a vegetable by then wasn't he?
@@TheBarlettano thats where the AI comes in
1:29 - the word 'meme' was invented only a year before the soviet afghan war.
Literally any European language has had a word for it for hundreds of years. In my country literally called meme
@@drunkensailor112 what word for what? Dawkin's definition for meme?
yeah but mgs5 takes place during 1984
Dawkins wrote 'The Selfish Gene' in the mid 70's and as far as I know was the first to coin the term 'Meme' to describe a cultural trend that spreads and mutates in the same way as a gene.
27:34 Am I mistaken that Miller vows to build up Venom Snake to defeat Big Boss and is consequently killed by Ocelot? That would mean that Miller is loyal to Venom but only for his own means. Besides, on some subconscious level, Miller remembers the medic, Ahab, because he was Big Boss’ most trusted soldier.
The more I play this game, the more I realize that we were destined to defy out fate (becoming a demon) and have the option to choose to be a “good” Snake. That would make Big Boss a villain, not only for killing us, but killing someone who was good.
“I won’t scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea”
“Such a lust for REVENGE!”
"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????!!!!!!?????!!"
"Major I'M BURNING UUUUPPPPPP"
DAREDAAAAAA
''Grow your roots in me"
Nöelノエル - out of context that just sounds weird 😂
You must be writing these scripts 24 hours a day wtf
In Jesus name, no cap.
All that conditioning and they couldn't drill it into Venom's head to incessantly ask question and grunt in response to codecs. Hrhgnghgn.
"Hrhgnghgn"?
Conditioning?
codecs?
They failed, they couldn't get him to say "Knife gun, commencing virtuous mission"
psycho mantis?
The fact we still talk about this game ALMOST 5 years later and hopefully years on still amazes me to no extent.
same. Love the community because of it.
People are still talking about MGS1 20 years later. Kojima is a master storyteller.
Gerred Deptula yep glad for people to know that.
Go is 5000 years old, people still play it - amazing
@@gladman9634 true too. all great games.
This series has more layers than it has any right to. That's not a bad thing. Just saying it's kinda wild how many philosophies, ideologies and interactions between you and the game just ping pong off each other relentlessly
but it feels amazing to learn
It do be like that
This game is a masterpiece of storytelling
Even with its flaws, it's still a masterpiece in my head and nobody can change that
To learn how this slots in to all the metal gear games is amazing to experience
Ping pong
@Leon Russell watching the extensive amounts of cutscenes might help that aswell just as a reminder
And you don't need to tell me what's wrong with the game, as I said, even with its flaws in still gonna love it and you can't change that. I don't need someone telling me about the problems I don't care about
I have to be honest, I'm mostly an immersive sim/stealth game fan and I heard that MGSV has some of the best stealth mechanics in existence, so I thought I'd be fine just hopping into MGSV without having played ANY of the previous games and I'd just focus on the gameplay and completely ignore the plot.
That was a uhh... mistake. I wasn't disappointed with the gameplay at all: it's incredibly fun and polished and there are so many opportunities for emergent systems-driven planning and creativity. I fucking love it, but I'm far more lost with the story than I thought I'd be.
Considering how much I love the game having beaten it (despite not having zero knowledge of what the actual fuck was going on in the plot), I'm now interested in playing all the older MGS games, not just because I love this style of stealth gameplay but because I kind of want context.
I've been playing these games for decades and still have no clue as to what's going on.
@@joetroutt7425 If I were you I'd try playing the rest of the games, or at least watching the cutscenes for such games in this order: MGS3, Peace Walker, MSX Metal Gear games, MGS1, MGS2, and MGS4.
@@spideyfan300 the only games I haven't played of all those is mgs4 and peacewalker. I never had a PS3 and my PS4 won't play PS3 games and I'm not online. I think I will eventually get a PS3 just to play those games.
Every game makes you think you have everything figured out and then throws a curveball at you.
@@joetroutt7425 mgs4 was my first mgs game. It might be fucking ridiculous but i spent hours and hours replaying it
Started researching the MGS universe... I just accidentally achieved my second doctorates, this one in metaphysics, my first in robotics and AI.
I still don't have a clue. Kojima is a genius and madman far beyond any of us, and I both fear and respect him.
yep. love his work.
eh hes fine, he has such a large ego about his own work that i cant help but hate some of it lol
Kojima is either a genius or insane I still don’t know which.
@@rarecromALT Wow, really glad we got your enlightened expert opinion on this. You really showed them.
@@SnailHatan you're welcome man! :D
I just love the unironic use of the word meme by metal gear solid.
Holographic Marlon Brando thanks but my point still stands. TL;DR
before the dark time. Before the internet.
Any Rebel thanks for telling me something I already know.
Ye
I happened to find Paz almost immediately when the medical platform was built. When Ocelot (the guy who hypnotized himself into thinking arms could possess people) brought up dissociative dissonance and amnesia and what not, I was under the impression that the man with helicopter and human fragments in his skull and body would be a somewhat unreliable source. I thought he was simply in denial and the brain damage was making his trauma way worse. Oh boy if only
Malak in Hebrew means Messenger, but Melech means King. “A Messenger with Broken Wings” more than likely alludes to Lucifer. Lucifer, Devil, and Satan are not the same. Satan means, ‘Adversary,’ and there are more than one ‘Satans.’ Devil is a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew ‘Satan.’ That means there are also ‘devils,’ not a singular entity.
Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic video.
This is also similar in Arabic with king and angel having similar pronunciations
pingaschaos that’s because we have the same forefather :)
@@TheGeneralSoundwave I'm a Christian Arab though (Lebanese) so I guess? Damn good thing we've got something in common
Malak in arabic means literally "angel" and thats what it means "angel with broken wings" , you save the fallen malak the "angel"
You know, I bet someone in KojiPro watches these and sits there and smiles and nods. Awesome stuff, as usual you Solid Snack!
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@@adamklich1 thanks Adam
It’s so weird skull face is kinda the whole reason MGS series played out the way it did. Had he not gone into a coma I think Zero would have tried to make it right with Snake.
@BrokenMikrofone If your first reaction to someone speculating into lore and having fun with it is to get aggressive cause they enjoyed it more than you did, who is really the one coping?
@BrokenMikrofone bruh
@@PapaSage stop being such a hurted fanboy
BrokenMikrofone I don’t care, I still loved it 🤷♂️ Death Stranding has been cool too, I’ve never played a game like it👍
@@dinoXAs2 "hurted"
Lmao
Venous Snake also collects people for his operation in the field, and ocelot is a master interrogater. Venous snake is bringing people into the Lion's Den. They think they are being saved but really are falling into the hands of their unknown enemy and masters.
Though at one point they kill their own people, through a virus that attaches to the vocal cords, so the player is non the wiser, that this is a ploy.
It's refreshing to see someone actually dive into the text presented to us and try to make sense of it instead of going on about how all of this is a metaphor for Kojima's feelings
I hope you do a part 2. Out of all the MGS games, V is one of the most confusing because the line between reality and simulation has never been so blurry. There's not much explanation in game or in essay/videos so this helps a lot to understand just what is going on
Is it really that hard? I mean I understood the story completely even with the non linar story telling. Just pay attention.
@@ayoo.bruce01 Does it say how Volgin survived the Shagohad? Also why does Mantis only help those with the biggest lust for revenge?
My take is skullface is not real. Ground zeros was implanted in venoms memories, and never happened. Xof is run by big boss.
@@meticulouselectronics I've heard the theory that GZ was an implanted memory in Venom but never that BB is the leader of XOF. If that was the case, was XOF sent in as just another part of Venoms mental training? How do you explain Skull Face not being there at all through Phantom Pain tho? He's in the tapes and you see him quite a lot?
@@DANtheMANofSIPA big boss needed to go into hiding to create outer heaven. Xof was his army for outer heaven. He was there with venom when he woke up to make sure he wasn't killed by Quiet. There was no real enemy for Venom, Zero was looking for Big boss. So venoms mind created skullface. There are moments after he "dies" where Venom still sees him. Venom also hallucinates entire tapes, and encounters from Paz, who also died.
Can't wait for the next part. If your theories are true, then Kojima outdid himself and made something even better than MGS2.
AKA the best mgs game.
@@JuriSins MGSV has one massive problem which makes me not want to 100% it at all: it becomes easy to the point of not being fun anymore. And the additional objectives in missions don't make missions harder, just more muddled.
He outdid himself in terms of story presentation and meaning, but totally dropped the ball with balance. Unless it's Konami's fault and Kojima never intended to boost the player's progress with online money and rewards.
@@patrykzukowski7471 Right? It lost the MGS touch really.
But I meant MGS2 is the best.
Patryk Żukowski It’s easy because you play the game entirely in stealth. The game gets harder with more encounters you have, it’s nearly impossible to against a fully armed militia in the end. Your point is invalid
@@wezzsimple6612 What? Fully armored guys can be stunned with decoys and it's piss easy. I won't even mention the fully upgraded stun arm. A rookie is trying to teach me the game...
Me: watching documentary on MGSV.
My boss: what are you doing?
Me: uh...watching a documentary on mgsv.
My boss: oh carry on.
Big Boss ?
🤣🤣🤣
is your boss regular size?
ey b0ss I'm watching mgsv documentary
This is my favorite game ever made and I love how the metal gear fan base has this love-hate relationship with this game, but they are dedicated to keeping this game and this franchise alive by talking about it and making videos about it several years after the franchise being over. I thank you for supporting the cause
The metal gear fan base originally didn't see between the lines and now the ones who do, find the game the best masterpiece of the franchise. The game should have had a grey fox, sniper wolf, flamethrower guy etc and lead into the combination of motherbase and outer heaven
They're preserving it's meme.
The thing about Diamond Dogs having people within the superpowers is mentioned by Kaz in a tape, he calls them HEC, and that they are basically moles that go to battlefields to give you intel, or make their way into the superpowers to know what's happenig within governments and ensure Diamond Dogs gets work.
Thanks so much for making this i was just watching you and it’s suprising when i see you uploaded so fast, and thanks for going over what actually happens because so many people will say nothing happened in this game
Just like the "V" standing for the letter and the number, the phrase "V has come to" is also "5 has come 2". It marks the beginning of the 2nd part of the game split into 2, as well as the 2nd episode of "the TV series" following the "pilot episode", the main Ground Zeroes mission.
It also works seeing as Venom is the fifth (to us, but second chronologically) person to use the name Snake as well.
I see it almost as like what the doctor said when you first woke up in Cyprus, that we may not really see things as they are, so by saying "5 has come 2" it's almost like the game is saying "5 has now become 2", a sort of variation of 2+2=5. But then again, that's my take on it
Kojima has confirmed on twitter its pronounced mgsV and not mgs 5, because its a metal gear solid game about venom, and not snake
Also a lot of similarities with MGS2 (probably just wishful thinking)
@@n_worder Definitely similar in the sense that in MGS2 you're playing as what is intended to be a memetic clone of Solid Snake and in MGSV you're playing as BB's body double and memetic clone.
This channel is the best mgs channel explaining with consistent content I've seen. I never knew or paid attention to any of this in game clues. Great video!
"I don't want to listen to an audiobook on cassette tapes! Now... excuse me while I play a real MGS game - which yes, is me listening to the audiobook that is Col. Campbell, Naomi, and Mei Ling each talk to me on the codec for 30 minutes every time I turn a corner".
Biden leaving Afghanistan: "Leave our equipment for the Taliban."
Snake leaving Afghanistan: "Tie a balloon to it, lol."
It was literally Trump's plan followed step by step 👷♂️ that's why it worked so well.
@Klinger Kun changed everything else that Trump did, but that was the one thing he decided to keep, against the advice of every general and foreign policy expert we have. Totally Trump's fault. Totally.
Keep on keeping the metal gear meme alive.
Never be game over
Memes. The DNA of the soul.
Snake what happened snake snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake
Boss come in boss booooooooooooooooooooooos
@@monicawood7871 raiden answer me raiden RAIDENNNNNNNNN
I feel i can best understand the mgs series lore only when im high
@Azreal Of the 1st legion Hey man, he can make great stuff and his games overall are all awesome! don't knock it till you try it.
@@Gadget-Walkmen we can be fans and recognize Kojima is batshit, it's okay
@@B0ULLIE Crazy? Well you have to be able to come up all the extreme stuff in the series. But that's what makes it fun and unique.
Imagine Metal Gear Solid, and then strip away Psycho Mantis, Gray Fox and Otacon, remove the sections where you're expected to look at the game case or put the controller up to your arm so the vibration heals you. It's easy to see how without the charm of these stranger elements, Metal Gear Solid would feel a lot more generic.
@@Gadget-Walkmen well yeah no one's complaining.
It's batshit and that's good, that's how I like it.
@@citizenvulpes4562 LOL that's good to know.
Awesome video, when people say MGSV has a bad story, they don’t focus on the dialogue by radio and cassettes, it has a very amazing atmosphere of storytelling
Yeah and dont forget the conversation between enemy soldier in open world segment or on missions.
@@KABLAMMATS and mother base gossip.
Yeah, because that is what I want in my MGS - having to focus on shit that is being told in audio cassettes recorded for no reason. Pull your head out of Kojima's ass. The game's shit and he clearly didn't want to make it.
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 I bet he misses it now after the huge snooze of a game death stranding was/is
@@joetroutt7425 You think so ? I'm pretty sure he's probably much more surprised that quite a lot of people pushed that pile of shit back up his rectum. I don't think he misses MGS. He wanted to be done with it for decades, allegedly. But it's true - Death Stranding is the anti-fun. MGS used to be about crazy shit going on literally each half an hour, with everything culminating in some absurdly over-the-top, entertaining awesomness... But that was old Kojima, the one who still realized that in order to be praised he has to deliver. This new Kojima is a overpraised has-been genius who for a moment thought that he's on top of the world and can subject gamers to literally any type of boredom now that he's hailed as some kind of messiah. That's just what happens when a guy who starts with a game about a penguin gets praised into the skies long enough.
Kojima is so good at writing that we need 3 hours of videos to understand it.
Truth be told… if he was *that* good we wouldn’t need a single minute of companion video essay to understand what happens
Frankly, I'm surprised that people are so confused by the plot of MGS. It literally boils down to "person good; people bad."
There aren't "three ciphers" there aren't even two. There is only one Cipher, which is Zero's organization.
XOF used to be part of it, but Skull Face and XOF split up with Cipher to carry out his revenge on the world.
This whole time you are fighting only XOF and russian or central african military that have absolutely nothing to do with Cipher.
Miller is just going on and on about Cipher because he developed a huge paranoia and Ocelot feeds into it too because he is in on it, as Zero told him personally.
You make a good point.
There has always been one cipher. Secretly ran by zero. Skull face was a part of it. Even back in 64 when skull face shadowed big boss' mission. However that all went to hell in 75 when skull face became a mutinee by attacking msf and big boss and then trying to kill his own cipher boss zero with that pin. The original cipher only wanted to establish big boss, although big boss wanted nothing to do with zero/cipher. Zero was obsessed with big boss and clearly loved him to the end as you can hear in that final tape where zero goes through all the trouble of visiting him in the Cyprus hospital.
The ai cipher is zero's cipher after the attack on him and he can no longer trust his own cognitive capabilities and future (as he admitts to big boss in the hospital) and he orders sigint to put up this plan
Then who are you keeping Code Talker's research from in that mission after Skull Face is killed? Pretty sure they call them Cipher there.
@@Nilon241
Miller says "It's XOF, it will end up in Cipher's hands."
As I told you, XOF hasn't been part of Cipher since at least Ground Zeroes. Miller doesn't know, he thinks it's Cipher behind everything due to his paranoia. In reality it's just XOF remnants.
I'm in the middle of my second playthrough of this game. I remember playing it when it first came out 5 years ago and I had no idea what was going on. Now I am trying to pay close attention to try to understand what actually happened. This video should help
Yes and never listen negative coments
Hey, how do you do a second playthrough? I never found a new game button. Please, this is a genuine question.
@@dantederi5062 ayo homie just putting this here in case you still have brain damage, there is an option to delete your save file on the title menu
@@aplasticsoldier9130 wow, thanks I guess. What a nice way to help someone. Btw I don't want to delete my file, grinding all those R&D are impossible with my timeframe. No need to be rude if you still don't get the message.
@@dantederi5062 dont worry, man, i wasnt rude, that shrapnel in your head is just a clear indicator that something might be wrong with your brain, game on
You are such a good RUclipsr. You've really earned your chops through a bevy of fantastic gaming essays and I will definitely continue to watch anything you put out.
I revisited this game for my platinum trophy and my God the things I had missed before, replaying the game and listening to all cassette tapes helps you understand this game more effectively
Damn dude, you honestly have some of the best MGS content out there. You go past just lore and analysis and talk about how weapons, and tech are compared to real life. I also love you vice city 9/11 vid. Keep up the good work.
Perfect timing, Boss!
Just bought the pc version (double dipping) in steam summer sale!
Due to it being a stealth and Metal Gear Solid game I would recommend using a controller to play it. You get more precise character movement and the button layout fits perfectly. At least this is how I played it.
@ the 360 degrees movement of a controller is great, yeah.
The 8 different directions of movements with WASD leave something to be desired ,true.
Though the precission and speed of a mouse do make up for it. Makes aiming a little to easy sometimes...
Luckilly I can switch between controller setups whenever I want 😁
THE1NONLY1 mouse aiming is king though. I played first on Xbox and second on PC with kb/m and I think kb/m is better.
@@MarioLuigi0404 I never said the aiming wasn't better I said the movement is. I exclusively play PC and in the first day I needed to plug in a controller since on M/KB you can either run or press a button and walk super slowly.
A controller works better for this game since you'll do more sneaking than shooting.
@ oh yeah, forgot about that.
Wow, you have really gone above and beyond with this video! I just recently started my 4th play through of the game (once on PS3, twice on PS4, and now on PC) and with each play through I would come to question even more of the narrative and intentions of the characters told to us and you have given the perfect answers (or as close to answers as we’ll get) to so many thoughts that crossed my mind. I really hope you do a second part. These videos are also a great way to celebrate the 5th anniversary of the game next month.
At 9:39 you already blew my mind
Lots of cool things from the game I didn't pick up on even after I finished it, good video
FINALLY, SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP EXPLAIN THE ACID TRIP THAT WAS V
I rewatch this series every few months
God your videos are so good, they continue to make this game re-blow me away now 5 years after playing it. I really should regive the entire metal gear series a play now that I'm an adult.
Your channel deserves so much more in terms of views. I love how much content you create out of one of the best series ever made. It’s a shame it’s gone 😔
when you still play mgsv and no one comes to stop you from raiding their FOB
most liked comment ive ever had thanks guys c:
I mean... why would they ? What for ? Not like there is any kind of reason to. It's grind for grind's sake.
Damn lmao
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 to unlock the nuclear disarmament scene that triggers once all nukes on that platform have been disarmed. The PS3 severs very recently had all nukes disarmed.
Nice work boss!
I raid FOBs every day. 7 out of 10 times either the rival that owns the FOB or one of their supporters shows up to defend it. It's still a pretty active game on PS4.
This gives me much more appreciation for a story I thought was weak, limited and vague, thankyou!
This game has a soul, i didn't even play old metal gear games but i loved this one
You should play them, because if you think this one is good, you’ll be blown away by the others because they are subjectively better
I hope you’ve played them by now! At least MGS1-3 via the Collection Vol.1
@@benzym I'm planning to ! And thanks god the collection is here now
I'm glad you stopped where you did. This is about as far as I got and it reminds me how much I actually wasnt missing.
I'm definitely going to have to redownload this and keep at it.
I just had to make room for doom eternal haha
Top quality content !
posted regularly and often pops up when im alone and bored ?
You are the man ! Thanks for all
This really opened more then what I remembered playing hours of this game! Man this is some good info and small details that anyone can miss playing normally. I look forward to the next episode!
Watching your content makes me feel like I'm back in college, taking an elective on the Metal Gear Lore.
Such detailed explanations explained in a very cohesive manner.
You are a goat!
ok you definately need more subscibers
i love your way of conveying info and using irl footage is just amazing
Flawless work, you never cease to amaze boss!
I never saw Skull Face having any interesting on taking over Cipher/Patriots itself, for the sake of power that is, it was more that he was using Zero's infrastructure to get his revenge on the world, he had seized XOF for himself and was doing well with just the one branch of Cipher/Patriots.
On a side note, after I finished the game, after some thinking, I started to think that maybe Skull Face is supposed to be a reflection of Venom Snake in many ways and Kojima do seem to imply that heavily in his trailers, like Skull Face's backstory being paralle to Venom's brainwashing. But for me there's one parallel that stood out for me, Skull face seizing a part of Zero's Cipher to his own agenda.... and Venom on Outer Heaven's uprising. I strongly believe that after discovering the truth, Venom Snake took the same route of Skull Face and that Big Boss did sent Solid Snake to kill him.
Never looked at it like that !!! Interesting theory definitely makes sense. I took it as even after he found out the truth he was still loyal to big boss. I read somewhere that chipor attacked DD because there can only be one big boss and venom has played his role so his time is up. D dog along with many others die. Venom along with a handful of DD survivors find refuge at outer heaven. Big boss leaves venom in charge while he takes command of foxhound to keep an eye on the inside. Eventually word gets out about a new nation to the government and big boss takes the task. He then sends in solid snake to obtain false information, but solid snake kept digging deeper and deeper till he found out about the metal gear amd destroyed everything. That was the point of outerheaven to be a place for Soldiers when there not needed. Plus when listening to the truth tapes its obvious its under attack. Its under attack by chipor, then when the camera backs up the logo changes to outerheaven, with shoots beeing heard, now hes in the real outerheaven and its under attack by solid, he looks in the mirror amd sees the demon hes become to make there dream (big boss amd now his ) come to light only to be takin by solid, punches the mirror and heads into the room to fight solid.
I think in the end tapes in impled that Skullface was sitting on the sidelines at the Snake Eater mission if Snake failed. That he always got BBs leftovers, and that's what made him bitter against Zero and BB I think Skull is supposed to be Big Bosses black mirror reflection, the Cane to Snake's Able. Remember he opposed the real BB in Ground Zeros? Skull is among the people that don't know about the body double.
The last piece of evidence for this is how zero used a copy of BB to kill Skull, because he used a copy of the boss's pin to kill Zero. Sounds like a morrored final taunt.
@@YoungMachette copy of the boss's pin??? what pin are you talking about?
@@SoullessMadness listen to the truth tapes, very carefully. They're amazingly acted, get a lot across, and recontextualize the entire story for an amazing 2nd playthrough. One where you understand all the main characters motivations, when playing their roles in MGSV.
@@YoungMachette just answer the question... i dont have time to boot up mgsv again.
I just replayed MGSV over the course of the last two weeks and I did get the translation you mention at 17:01. I think there was a side op I went out of my way to do as soon as it opened up.
skull face fit is fire you can't deny
Here from the Shadow Moses Cafe podcast. Great video! Looking forward to watching the next two.
A lot of new perspective for me, really liked it.
love your content man, top quality
I must admit i am completely addicted to his content, so thought inducing
Yup, I watch these several times and always come away with something new, just like MGS.
I do too but there is too many ads
One of the best games I ever played. It is basically Peace Walker on higher definition and without those massive battle bots.
Gameplay at it's finest
So... without awesome boss battles, you mean.
Also... Sahel is kinda one. The only one this game has. Because it's pathetic.
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 we get it bro you hate mgsv
He's right you know lmao
Vault Rant Oh, but do you truly understand why ? Do you feel just how big of a letdown, waste of time and unjustly appreciated this degenerative software is ?And are you going to hate it with me ? Most-likely not. Because you just can’t admit to it, will reinforce any and every kind of overthought theory you’ll be capable of pulling out of this game’s ass to somehow justify every flaw. That’s how fucking cults work. And that’s a different reason I am so utterly disgusted - my own “brothers in arms”, people I supposedly shared the batshit crazy, absolutely awesome events of the rest of the series... keep defending *THIS* trash !!! It makes my goddamn blood boil !
Your voice and mic quality are really satisfying :)
13:51 that’s honestly a pretty creative way of saying, this is why I, Arthur Morgan, I mean Skullface will not be mentioned in any subsequent games or any other materials chronologically speaking. It’s about as well as you can do a blatant retcon.
What's the difference between a hero and a myth. One is celebrated the other investigated
I just picked up MGSV again and suddenly this appears.
Playing it with all this knowledge really enhances the experience, can't wait for the next chapter
Well, let’s go then.
MGS always been reason for learning English
Fantastic analysis and interpretation. I'm looking forward to replaying the game with all of this in mind. Can't wait for part two!!
Amazing Jorin, well done brother.
"Thanks for that, boss!"
O7
Happy to see this one go a bit more viral than usual. I hope all MGS fans find your channel, I've been watching nightly for a month now.
Kojima has what I like to call a rabbit hole style of writing story plots. Everything seems seemingly basic and dry but once you dive in and start to move the dirt you get to see what you thought was right was completely wrong. Love him or hate him Kojima is truly talented at bringing out one’s emotions especially his fans lol.
Best video on this game's extensive lore.. in just one installment of the series alone.
Kept us waiting huh?
Its insane the ammount of topics a person can have on this series.
Interesting. Never considered Malak to be a key factor in the build up of the story. I am interested for more content!
Something I'd like to add to "Where the Bees Sleep" is that on a first viewing, at least for me, Sahelanthropus was only shown by its , and mechanical hand, grabbing Venom
To me this is not only a connection between the bionics expert, the prosthetic, and Sahelanthropus, but its as if to show Venom is gripped by his disability and struggles as a result of it
This is a very detailed analysis of this game I loved. I can tell you have invested many hours doing this and so you now have a new follower.
After MG Solid the story became so freaking out there that you damn near needed an advance degree in Metal Gear history to understand what the hell is going on..
Kojima: "Took them long enough!"
It’s a testament to how good this game is that I, and many others, enjoyed playing dozens if not hundreds of hours without knowing what the hell was ever going on in terms of the story
Hey man, absolutely ADORE your videos and channel cause MGS is a life-changing game series.
Can you PLEASE eventually do these 'what even happens' videos for every MGS game? I literally put these on my RUclips playlist for when I sleep and I sort of wake up to some of them with a warmth in my heart sometimes haha
I'm so glad you made these. Thanks FSP.
Damn, I had no idea MGSV was so intricate. I really gotta go back and finish it.
Me before clicking this video: I don't need to watch this. I already know all of MGSV's story
After: Oh
You automatically win. You are the only person I have seen that finally gets the title right. It is MGS V NOT 5.
You are the only one I have seen that gets it completely right. For that alone you get a A+.
Dont you mean S++? ;)
As someone who has played this game like 10 times thank you so much for skipping the hospital scene
17:22 holy shit just realized this is another nod to the fact Venom is a copy, since in MGS3 Big Boss gets complimented on speaking Russian fluently at some point in the game. crazy foreshadowing
Glad someone else saw what I saw. The Smoke and Mirrors in this game are very well placed and everything always seems well staged, every mission seems like a set and objectives are too similar to how things occur in later games. Awesome game though I replayed it again saw so much I didn't before.
Brilliant dissection
Wasn’t ‘Cipher’ was also the name of the ‘flying camera’ that takes pics of Solid Snake on the deck of the USS Discovery at the start of MGS2?!
Cipher isn't the name of the camera, but the entity behind the camera. Cipher is the group. Not a person or device
Natsuki814 Natsuki814 Natsuki814 Snake says ‘Cypher’ when he looks at the flying-camera device, so that must mean the device is called a Cipher itself - Otacon thinks it’s with the Military (Cypher-T), but Snake says it’s Army. I am not sure that Snake knows of the hidden group at this point in the story, though I may be wrong. Here is a link to a real-world device the game device may be based on en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Cypher
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Interrogating the guy with kids in America playing while snake demands him to speak is my highlight media this week
Love your content dude. I was getting a MGS itch and discovered your channel. Made me replay MGSV.
Can’t wait for part 2