Sidenote: The Case for Arcade Sticks
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2018
- What's assam about arcade sticks.
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Playing one character on a pad and the other on a stick sounds like a really smart way to avoid mentally mixing the two characters up together. Can't accidentally autopilot one character as the other if you're using a completely different input method
That’s fucking genius,
I sometimes mix up Akuma and Ken when playing sf3. So i will deadass do air hado with ken.
New Tekken meta: everybody vibrates
new meta: taunting and tbagging is the counter to an opponent who is sandbagging.
Haha fuck yes!
i read that as everybody vibes
@@ohnoknux4163 vibe check: Tekken
Main's Main yes
I only recently bought a stick, after using pad since I was 7 years old. I am a totally blind gamer, with fighting games being all I can still play, and I wanted to have something that reminded me of the arcade cabinets that my local pizza place had when I was a kid. So I sprung for a stick, and I couldn't be happier. I love being able to enjoy fighting games in this way, and my very sensitive ears actually love all the fight stick sounds. :D
Respect! I watched some of your videos. You my friend are a true inspiration. And yeah, the stick and button sounds are something I believe many of us stick lovers adore. Same with mechanical keyboards. :)
jarkokoo Thanks, buddy! I have a ton of fun gaming and lock picking; my two main hobbies. :) I also love love love the sound of mechanical keyboards, they're great. At first, I bought the Razer Raiju because of its mechanical buttons-not a keyboard, but still had that sound. But it was awful to use on fighting games, so I swapped it out for the Razer Panthera.
Anonymous Panacea Absolutely. I have a condition called LCA. You can see my blindness pretty clearly on my channel. :)
I just went and subscribed. Cool videos and perspective.
Chris Sawyer Thanks, my friend! I mostly post either gaming videos or lock picking videos.
I love how Diago is looking at that thing like he's never seen one in his entire life.
2:01 I feel like the guy in the middle is having a bit too much fun
i fell like it's the gal having fun there
Lol
I though its was girl
its a dude dressed like a girl
@@AdmiralAutism212 do you know his name?
Your content is actually top notch production value and substance wise. Keep making these absolutelly fantastic and didactic videos, my dude. You rock.
Thanks, Hanshakou.
Quality over quantity. This is my fav fgc yt channel.
This is one of my favorite channels in general, not just FGC related. To me it sits alongside CGP Grey and Kurzgesagt, those channels you know always strive to produce quality videos. Stick to what you've been doing and don't fall in the daily or weekly upload trap.
I agree. this channel has the highest quality! Information, documented sources, all explained clearly with a pinch of humor that doesn't distract from content. S+
I was actually thinking of saying that myself.
I know you guys have had videos with millions of views, but no matter what niche audience you think you may capture with any video you throw out, know there's a community that is either invested in it and wants to know more about it, or might consider interesting and pick up someday, helping out the community in general as well.
If RUclips throws some bull at your channel for some reason and you lose views, voice out if you need to. We all appreciate what you throw out, my dood(s) :D
Can't escape from crossing memes
FIGHT!
Shrek... Yu... Win.
Marisa! Yu! Win!
daigo: wtf is this shit 4:43
Super wtf lmao! Actually that moment got my curious and I searched for the event, it was super hyper fun trust me ;`) ruclips.net/video/R6UcLVj_43I/видео.html
SquallAdv thanks!
That looked like he never saw a ps4 controller in his live before xD
I love the arcade sticks lml
One of the things I love most about the FGC is the sheer variety of controllers you can use. For example, I use a traditional arcade stick when playing fighters with 4 or more attack buttons, but in more simplified games, such as BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle or Pokken Tournament DX, I love to use the Pokken Pro Pad because of how natural it feels in my hands. But at the same time, if someone want to use a guitar hero guitar, they totally can!
Strumbar for left/right, two fret keys for up/down, remaining 4 frets (if it's a 6-fret controller) for attacks. Whammy bar for meter stuff or smth. You might not have access to all moves depending on the game, but sure enough, you really could rock a guitar hero controller without even needing to reach over to the D-pad.
Well, that's one more thing for me to try.
I just want to say I love the presentation of your videos. The editing along with the narration really hammer home points in a way that most other channels can't. Great work on your videos.
2:06 "u distracted bro?" lol.
The scene was EVO moment 37 where Justin Wong was spamming buttons to try to make Daigo screw up his legendary parry.
Key word: try.
My new goal in life is to win a tournament with a steering wheel.
Use it in a Smash tourney: Initial DI
I recommend online chess as a discipline for this one it would be the easiest.
Win a game with a Kinect
Caudex there is actually a player who won with a steering wheel
Mine is to win a tournament with a wii mote
Yeah! A new video! I love these Analysis and Side Note videos, they let me get a deeper understanding of how fighting games work. Keep up the good work!
I switched from Pad to stick when BB CP came out. It was hard at first, but by learning new characters rather than relearning characters I used in previous games, made it still a fun and worthwhile experience. In Essence I fell for the Myth the stick is a more precise Input method for directions and found out that wasn't the case for me. I found some motions easier on pad (like dp motions 623) and others easier on stick (half circles like 41236). What really is selling the stick to me, is that I can rest my fingers on 5 Buttons, meaning I save time each button press when playing a game with 5 Buttons or less. In that sense I could really see me playing a hitbox, but was not able to buy one yet. (Mostly because they are not as easy to get as sticks)
On another note: banning the smash box for melee makes sense, because it is objectivley better than a GCN Controller in doing the task. Though I think it should be allowed due to all the health issues that came forward by playing melee with a GCN Controller.
In Smash Ultimate there is already so much weird stuff you can only do by using the c-stick (for instance charging terrys rising tackle while running or stopping the momentum of your jump after running), that the smash box has its fair share of weaknesses too (unless altered). So I don't really see the reason for banning it in that game.
This is hella useful! Much more than before with the specifics like stick and button spacing! Makes customization much easier and i think this is one of the only videos to exist on youtube that clearly explains things that another youtuber has an entire long running series about.
I think you’re undermining the quality and effort put into videos like these when you title them as Sidenotes. It’s a bit too humble, in my opinion.
exploitativity I agree
exploitativity
First time ever I see the Gunpoint mc as a profile pic, works well.
There's no such thing as too humble. There's already too much pride in this world.
Rekkabites Thirteen
I fullheartedly disagree. You see this a lot in the world of art. Skilled people talking down on their own art, indirectly insulting the people who like it.
Balance is important in this matter don't be too proud or humble.
Anyways Sidenote is fine as a title in my opinion. It just shows it's not an analysis.
I thought he wrote side note because he covered controllers used to win evo. I never knew of a mix box but it makes sense. For certain titles like MK the keyboard directionals work better for me. For the most part if my memory serves me right they are clean commands like FBF punch DFBF K fatality whatever lol. The keys would mess me up though especially the more complicated the game. Having the familiar 6 button layout with arrow keys sounds interesting. Thanks for the info you talk about a lot of things that I’ve thought about and think about some things I never knew or knew I wanted to know lol. I always look forward to your material frfr @coreAgaming
On another note I love your content! Makes me an overall better fighting gamer everyday
1:07 even the captions are masterfully made
Your channel has such great content and effort put into each video. I will be picking up a shirt to support you since you have given a lot of value to everyone. Keep up the great work!
YES!! I’ve literally been re-watching Core-A videos over and over while commuting for the last couple days and seeing this in my sub box was a nice treat :)
As a former pad player, I can safely say that jumping to stick was the best decision ever. Even though it feels extremely weird at first, you really start to pick up on it and it starts feeling natural. I've also definitely gotten much better at fighting games as a result. This could be due to how all of the buttons are laid out and inputs via stick could be more deliberate and accurate. I seriously can't go back to pad now, just too cramped and awkward. So if anyone out there is hesitant to take the plunge, I'd say do it!
I did the same, my GF2 got me a cheap/ decent stick and loved it. Now she got me a razer Panthera, i still dont have it but i know the cuality of it. My GF is The best
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@@JesusGonzalez-it2sv Can you send it these ways when you done with it?
The stick would be nice also.
I played on arcades my whole entire life until I started gaming on PC and due to not having money for a stick I learned how to play on keyboard. Surprisingly, it went pretty well, comands are pretty accurate for the most part(unless you play games with complicated motions) and its pretty comfortable because you don't have to hold it or move your hand a lot. So now I finally got a stick but keyboard occasionally works better depeding on the character or game that I'm playing. Pads are still alien to me tho lol.
Hitbox controller is the best by far in my experience no matter what game you are playing you can do wild shit.
For me, stick is simply more fun to play on. I feel cool whipping it out in public (yeah) and also when I look at my stick (mm hmm) I wanna play some fighting games. It's just cool.
Thanks for another video Gerald.
I legit only discovered you yesterday and have already watched about 20 of your vids. your work is fantastic and I hope you gain a bigger fan base as you love forward.
I always love this content. I've never played a street fighter game, but I still love watching these videos. They are edited really well, the diction is great, and the topic always keeps me interested.
Wait... IS THAT A PUN IN THE TITLE??!?!? A+
You got it, bro.
blu mario's stretched out anus
Nice pfp
GOATSE MARIO
Well, i missed it, stupid youtube is translating the titles for me...
Loved the smash inclusion and the crossing fate meme. You got on the train even though the meme is brand new
Super Blazbule Smash
This was a really nice follow up to probably my favorite video of yours, thanks Core-A.
LOVE these videos! I always grin like an idiot when I see your upload notification because I know I'm in for a thoroughly entertaining and informative analysis on whatever subject you have lined up. Thanks for keeping up the awesome work.
Your content is actually top notch production value and substance wise. Keep making these absolutelly fantastic and didactic videos, my dude. You rock.
That feeling when you can't do pretzel motions without square gates and you can't do 360s without circle gates 🤔🤔🤔
Then get a Triangle gate
Hrmmm no. I prefer using hexidecimal logic-gates for my analog shticks.
Warn folk. Between you and Stephen Fry that's my *second* cuppa' that got ruined! :D
I love old arcade games. Fight sticks are about the only way to replicate the arcade to some level.
thanks for all you guys do your content is awesome and I've been following it ever since I ran across the first video I ever seen.
I'm a true gamer mainly of fighting game since I was a kid and even though I'm not a competition gamer I try to take my gaming seriously as I can and now after watching your videos and listening to the content it us giving me so much to think about as in improving my skills from a basic gamer who can pretty much play anything fairly okay to perfecting my craft to be coming a legit and worthy opponent in online and competition gaming in the world one day.
your videos definitely have been motivating me over the last few weeks and I can't wait to see more content in the near future keep up the good work
The effort you put into your videos really shows. You're a great content creator, and you got me into SF. Good job!
2:34 holy hell how long did it take to get that right
"things like this or whether use of these controllers in tournament have been controversial, especially in the smash community"
dude, what ISN'T controversial in the smash community?
Hating Fire Emblem religiously
@@jawg0 Tell that to the Marth mains.
You may not upload all that often but your videos are always top quality, keep up the good work
I looooove your videos and this channel bro!!!
The edits and subject matters are so entertaining.
There is always that unshakable trust of your content quality before i even click , how you so good !!!!
Mohammed gadi completely agree
4:15 I forgot how doing this is was my favorite thing ever in some fighting games. With a controller, that is, planning to look into getting something that really suits me at some point. It's really nice to repeatedly flick fast with some games' tech and I always love moving weirdly if I can get away with it
Great, new video. I was about to watch you Skill Gap video for the 11th time. Take it in a good way, you're videos are damn good even though I don't usually play fighting games.
always the great voice and wise Gerald can rewatch over and over the videos feel crispy and get's the point across those even not into fighting games
5:08 How on Earth can someone do a walking 720? I can barely do a 360 standing still lol.
TJ3046 jumping has a couple frames of startup (depends on the game and character), it’s necessary to complete the 2nd circle before the jump actually comes out. It’s a matter of doing it really fast.
The analog stick makes it really easy to do a fast circle motion.
Must of used the analog stick somehow.
On a d-pad, it's hard AF, but on a stick, it is quite easy
2:35 i didn’t know your cat was a melty blood player
I see what you did there.
Lol at least you got the joke; i thought no one would get it
GOLD
I've played melty blood but I don't get it
PLZ EXPLAIN
DUDE! Your videos are SO well made! I’m addicted to them! 😆🙌🏻
That is a very cute cat in the video! Also, great video as always, can relate with the insights about controller comforts and certain things being more comfortable to do on either pad or stick. Or Hitbox, even.
One of the best channels on YT, hands down.
I played a lot in the arcades when i was younger, but after 13 years away from arcade sticks, it feels really difficult to go back, especially because we used circle gate, bat top sticks around here. I don't feel any difference with ball tops, but the different shape of the gate is kinda strange at first. I tried the Hori MINI 4 and it felt reaaaaaally strange, because the stick is too close to the buttons, and the buttons themselves are smaller than what i was used to.
Thing is, arcade sticks are really expensive around here (the RAP4 is the same price as a PS4 Slim), so it's really prohbitive, especially not knowing if i'll ever be able to adapt to it.
RazorKaos you’re obviously unfamiliar with YT then, kid.
I recommend the octagon gate as a good middle ground
I like how you used all 3 Ibuki themes from SFIII
You get +3 cool boy points
God I love these analytical analysis videos. You constantly put out content mixed with philosophy and culture I love! Keep it up man
just found your channel very recently, but your content is absolutely amazing
Stick is hard to apply to smash because smash uses analog inputs, whereas almost all other fighters use digital inputs. Meaning slightly tilting the main stick on the gamecube controller makes you walk, but quickly flicking it all the way one way makes you dash.
Controllers like the HitBox without levers do work, but there needs to be a separate button which, when pressed, tells the controller that the next directional input will be "suppressed", or half strength. In melee, the shoulder buttons are also analog: light shield and normal shield.
You also lose the incremental angles between the regular eight directions, which matters for things like Fox's and Falco's up-b.
Not to mention the gate on the gamecube controller sticks are not square or circular. They're hexagonal.
my gates are in another dimension
Dont you mean octogonal?
The suppressed feature was used in Slap City, a Smash look alike.
It's called Clutch
Oh dang, already included the Sonicfox clip
I liked the video even before watching the entire thing. That's how good Core-A Gaming's content is.
Great work. Also, the "Can't Escape From Crossing Fate!" part murdered me.
I think it's also worth mentioning how the games themselves have changed. Newer games being designed with gamepads in mind, for example.
It's been quite revelatory to see all these people struggle with the controls of older SF titles now that the 30th Anniversary Collection is out because they are far less forgiving when it comes to inputs. (Disregarding SF1 of course, that one is just a mess.)
Are you implying that SF1 had easy inputs?
@@BigBoy257 I don't think "a mess" and "easy" generally mean the same thing, no.
how in the hell did that cat make toast!?
It’s a cat. That’s like asking “how can a god move a leaf?” It’s very simple: cats=gods
@@chimedemon Oh yeah, if they're so godly, why are they much weaker than my obviously awesome hampster?
Proxy Saga the ability speak does not make you intelligent
cat gamer
Can't thank you enough for the high quality video!!
I've only casually played fighting games with friends, and I'm never going to buy any of this, but damn I'm invested in your videos!
I guess it shows that quality attracts people from all crowds.
I've always thought that the full mechanical control of the arcade stick offered the most precise motor function due to the nature of the lever being in control at all times. For instance, the trombone can theoretically play faster than other brass instruments that utilize spring action valves, despite the distance it has to travel.
What a coincidence, I just built my first arcade stick last week, was super fun!
I'm building mine this weekend! What did you build your case out of?
I made one with a wooden box I found on a store, drilled it up with some forstner bits, no secret.
Good luck with yours, it's an amazing way to spend a weekend. xd
That was fast! Where did you get the other parts? Ordering online? Friends sticks from old systems or that have broken? What was the overall cost of the parts please?
I bought a kit online with 10 generic 30mm sanwa buttons, 1 original sanwa stick, all the wiring and a zero delay usb encoder for like 50 usd.
I already had the drill but the 30mm forstner bit was like, 8 usd. Apart from the nuts and bolts to fixate the stick itself, that was all.
I ordered the parts from Focus Attack during their memorial sale, including a Brook board, Sanwa stick, 8 Seimitsu 30mm, 3 Seimitsu 22mm, and restrictor gate. The total came to exactly $100.50. I decided to put my dad's tools to good use, and picked up some Peruvian walnut my local hardware store got for a good price and was selling for dirt cheap (I got 4 board feet for $20), as well as some MDF. With the walnut, MDF, and parts, the total was about $125 dollars.
Of course I also bought a router in a momentary lapse of reason, now I'm going to have to make a bunch of cases for people online and give them away/sell them for dirt cheap to justify the cost :P
Great channel Core-A Gaming! I switched to a razer stick recently from ps4 pad and Very glad I did.
Man I love these videos they are so well made
what about the body pillow fightstick the guy at combo breaker used
drewbabe - Got a link to video/pictures of that?
youtube won't let me paste it so let's hope i type this right. twitter.com/Feng_Shui_J/status/1000084714286395393
there is a video of him using it but i cant find the link. unfortunately googling astolfo body pillow controller just gets you the pillow itself. everything i've seen has been on twitter though so good luck.
@@drewbabe hahahahahaha. THX FOR THAT. this guy is my new hero. what a mad genius
@@drewbabe OMG the stick is where Astolfo's dick would be lmao
I love you and what you do
I love your videos! So glad I found this channel
I love this channel. Every video is excellent content
Anyone know where I can get a keyboard/pad controller like at 4:02 ?
That honestly looks like it would be the best fit for me!
Thank you for the support! Mixbox is now open for pre order ! More information can be found at www.mixboxarcade.com
Personally, I've found that since I grew up playing Tekken and Soul Calibur on PS1/PS2, I find it more comfortable to play those and generally any 3D fighter on pad. But for everything else that's 2D, I prefer using my stick.
Ninja video. Completely unexpected but amazing as always
I used to only play fighting games with a pad until last year when I went to an arcade in Florida and realized how nice a stick feels. With SC6 coming out, a game I was massively hyped for, I went ahead and got the SC6 arcade stick and haven't gone back to pad since. Even got an adapter that allows me to use it on my Switch in handheld mode since that's my preferred way to play my Switch and my friends got Central Fiction on Switch.
All I can think of whenever I see 4:10 is "GET ON MY LEVELLLLLLLL"
3:07 gerald's flawless hair.
The reality is 99% of us won’t get to the level where controller setup is the difference between match outcomes. Play what you want, but I’d suggest stick for those who want to be apart of one of the more unique aspects of the FGC.
Excellent analysis as usual!
Thanks
I'm not gonna lie, I played SF4 with a pad and then went to stick, and I liked it a lot, but as soon as I got SFV and picked up that PS4 controller...Man was it nice. I think it is a perfect pad for fighting games, though you are welcome to disagree.
Sweater Gawd played pad my hole life, strugled a bit with ps4 pad, the directionals are bigger than ps3's, so your finger needs to cover more space to do the same things, it makes more dificult and slow, but im already adapted to it.
I felt iffy about the triggers on the DS4 controller
A lot of the current games had pads in mind especially fighting games after 2010 but if you go few years older like let's say 2005 2003 they were still designed around the idea that they were going to be in an arcade and when you're playing in a competition they're going to play and set up the arcade edition game so if you go to a Street Fighter 3 third strike or Capcom versus Marvel 2 or Kof 98 know that you'll probably be handed a Beatdown by people that's been playing that game for god-knows-how-long on Arcade sticks
Square gate? Circle gate? Nah, octo gate is where it's at
call me when you get on diamond gates
@@komradekontroll diamond gates for mk and pac-man💪🏽
I tried a circle gate on a Sanwa stick, and diagonals barely register accurately compared to a western or Korean stick.
Constantly banger videos. Keep it up
Woo new video! Can't wait for the next video.
Mixbox looks like the type of controller for me. Just need the arrow keys to be on the right side and not the left.
Ded Boi I KNOW.
WHY IS IT ON THE LEFT???
Philip Hunt-Bull Some people never started using arrow keys and used WASD as they had in shooters and the whole movement being on the left hand thing we've done on every controller ever. I also learned using right hand on keyboards and I regret it because it isn't uniform across all formats. My right hand is used to doing combos on buttons, but on keys I have to use my left. This isn't optimum, but I screwed myself over. Mixbox is trying to ensure people don't do that to themselves but I'm sure you can find a way to customize this layout.
Thank you for the support ! The right version will be launched in June. Stay tuned ! More information can be found at www.mixboxarcade.com
hitbox is better. why would you use an unnatural hand position and only be able to rest your fingers on 3 directional buttons at once instead of 4?
Mixbox Arcade well speak of the devil
"can't escaped from crossing fate!!" XD
This is a sensitive topic for fighting players. Videos like this one be always wellcome.
As someone who is only really into Smash, but also looking into making a fighting stick myself.. Thanks for this video!
It gave a ton of great insight into a topic I am not (yet!) intimately familiar with.
I'm surprised that I never hear it explained in these kind of videos that one of the simple and most logical advantages of a stick is that *all* of your energy and action is devoted to control and not to managing an input device. That's why I switched. Stick players just seemed to have more precision and control. Yes, a pad was easier to use, but you gave up that precision.
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This video was awesome. Would love to see more stuff about controllers.
Everytime Core-A Gaming publish new video, I'm blessed with his content
Can't escape from crossing fate!
Fight!
I actually play SF with a keyboard, and for me at least, it's the most responsive and accurate device I've ever tried.
You might like the Mixbox then
Your videos are really good ! That cat input with the toaster lol
02:40 You may have inadvertently answered a question I had as to why my hitbox would stop functioning after a few minutes of play!! Thank you
Arcade sticks are way better than regular controllers because arcade sticks can be modified. Regular controllers are horrible for fighting games because you will get a LOT of missed inputs.
I would honestly love to see a deep dive into Hitboxes and the Smashbkx debacle
Overhaul I can give you the tl;dr. Digital buttons replacing an analog stick makes controllers initially less intuitive, but it has massive advantages once you're used to it because you can hit precise coordinates immediately and consistently.
Bones0 Oh, I’m aware (and am even switching to one after EVO for all the reasons you mention), though I appreciate taking the time to explain it. I meant more from some of the drama surrounding it, particularly in variants introduced in Marvel 3 and Melee.
Great content as always dude!
Every time you upload is like a chrismass morning.
Arcade sticks are just fun to use. Thats pretty much it.
I find some controllers better for different games/characters.
USF4 I played some Claw and Hakan and liked the square gate stick for claw (he's a charge charge AND some moves specifically required a downback charge) but an oct gate for Hakan (grappler with quarter, half and full circle moves).
Guilty gear I liked the oct gate as I didn't play any charge characters. Tekken I prefered square.
Some games like MKX or DBFZ I find odd to play on stick because the buttons feel like they were primarily designed for a pad (neither of these games exist in the arcade so this makes sense).
But now I play on a hitbox I built myself and love it. It plays fine for guilty gear and is AMAZING for tekken. I use my own layout for buttons so my hands are further apart and buttons are larger as its just more comfortable for me.
I agree that Dragon Ball Fighterz was designed for a pad, not sure about mkx
It's the way MKX has a separate button for stage interaction and blocking and EX moves. On a controller they are all really nicely laid out but on a stick it can take some time to find a layout that works.
The inputs for special moves are also primarily made to be very easy for a pad user to pull off, with an option to change them around to be more like a how most fighting games are if you're on stick or something (eg a lot of moves would be down, forward+punch rather then down, downforward, forward+punch)
Love this. Please load more videos.
Awesome vid, as always.
I see Core A gaming post a vid?? I click.
Initial T with his steering wheel: "Am I a joke to you?"
Oh man I've always wondered if there were any arcade "sticks" that dumped the stick itself in favor of buttons. The one with keyboard keys is amazing, would love to have one like that since I've mostly played on my PC using a keyboard. Great Video!
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