People keep asking about the box lol the whole point was that any cheap sturdy box will do but here you go anyway! It’s from Daiso. It’s called “Multipurpose Storage Box - With Lid”. 12.3in x 9.4in x 3.1in. 200 JPY ($1.93 usd)
My only problem is $2 box $50 buttons $75 drill $25 drill bits $20 button mapper 3 hrs put together then you have to program it or you can spend $200 buy a hit box plug in done. Neat but super unnecessary 🙂 lol just finished the video and you said all of this 🤣
@@moop1522 most people have a drill, or a friend they can borrow from. You can get buttons for a bit less if you go with sanwa instead of gamerfinger. 100$ savings is a big deal
@@aminm8140 granted I didn’t use the cheapest material for a case and mine cost about $10, I went with several cheaper options for pieces and mine still cost me around the same amount as a standard hitbox. Granted I probably could have gotten a few things a little cheaper, but even with already having a drlll it would have only been about $40 cheaper all said and done had I been entirely thrifty Not to say that may not be worth it, but it’s something so consider
I bought a sheet of plexiglass from Homedepot and converted my old Madcatz stick into a hitbox. Also had to buy some new cables from brooks for 10 bucks. Totaled to 25 and change. It’s not tourney legal since it doesn’t have input scrubbing but most fighting games I’ve tested on don’t register two inputs at once.
I've made my hitbox at home too, but I used some plywood to make the box, but it works so damn well! I wish I could've bought the Brook's board, but here in Brazil it's 5x the price because of currency, so I got a cheaper board online! I'm also learning how to play on this gem! It's awesome!
I've been thinking about building an all-button controller, and often find myself thinking about non-Hitbox-standard layouts, and I think you've just provided me with a cheap and easy way to prototype them! Thank you!
Look up the Frame 1 and B0XX, they are made for Smash games and have some extra buttons to emulate different stick angles. Very comfortable layouts too imho
For anyone wanting to try a hitbox but think the 24mm buttons are too small, there's a layout called the Shiokenstar layout. It uses all 30mm for the action buttons and the jump button, but 24 for Left, Right, Down, and the other stuff. I absolutely love this layout for hitbox and probably will only ever use it tbh lol
try jumping with the right thumb, it does wonders specially for anime fighters, marvel, anything with airdashes, tiger knees, flash kicks, super jumps, SPDs, whatever. just jump with your right thumb.
Thank you for being a great wiring guide. Didn't have to follow the weird diagrams, just listened to you be like 'orange, blue' etc. Take a like comment and subscribe.
Few tips: if you use a brook pcb make sure to always upgrade the firmware sometimes you might get the timeout issue on the PS4 also there board are fully compatible with ps5 and series s/x also on switch turn ON Pro Controller Wired Communication then hold 1k before plug-in the usb if you want to use the stick on the switch. All info and software are available on there site.
This was so great! Using a $2 plastic box with high quality arcade parts is peak FGC culture. Also I've been thinking about switching to hitbox for fightcade so this was awesome to see. I'm going to use this PCB so that I can also try it on DOA 4 since that's my fav fighting game right now.
I’ve been looking around for cheap boxes like this and couldn’t find any for the right price. I ended up building my hitbox out of modeling cardboard (the type the use for architectural models). The fact that I could cut any shape of hole I wanted allowed me to include screw in shafts in the lid an other cool tricks, though. Making my own box allowed me to have it be a mirror image of the regular hitbox with the movement on the right and the actions on the left, I also switched up and down since I’m used to inputting down with my right hand thumb and I added an extra row of buttons above the action buttons. Those correspond with the right stick. Also, instead of just making a hole for the USB cable, you could’ve bought a NEUTRIK USB type-A to USB type-B pass through converter and a short A to B USB cable and then your box would have the option for detachable cables. Lastly, I’d like to mention that there are sellers on AliExpress who sell high quality cases for arcade controllers without the electronic parts, which allow for better looking builds.
This is not a guide, not a tutorial this is simply I Having free time, a plastic box and LOTS OF MONEY for the material. But a cheap 2 dolar box, and a lot of MONEY ;) Love ur vids thou and I apreciate the honest of not putting cheap on the title!
This was the mistake I made, I should probably have used thicker plastic because it warped slightly when I put my buttons in, however it's strong enough to hold its shape. I'll make a better one in the future perhaps.
You sir are GOATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was having trouble putting my stick togetherand I was having difficulties with the wiring but this has helped a lot. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS AMAZING VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!
Regardless of countless people saying to use right thumb to jump, when i got my Hitbox it just doesn’t feel right to use right thumb to jump, left thumb is superior lol
Heh. The board alone costs around 100usd. And those gamerfinger buttons are hard to come by nowadays. They are the most premium buttons you can buy. The only poverty about that controller is the case.
I remember see someone make hitbox out of pizza box, now I can see how it work, I'm might give it a shot to create it in someday with goof box I can think of.
@@rovidelarosa I've made a few and they work pretty well for a stick in a plastic box, although some of the kits from AliExpress are better than others. If you are serious about fighting games, don't go the plastic box way.
Honestly I might do this. Getting a Hitbox to the UK is almost £300 ($410) so like, a nice cigar box or something and decent parts on this would be a lot less. Edit: I play with a keyboard with this layout already, so I know the feeling on the up button, but try to think of it as less of the up button, and more of the "jump" button line youre in a sidescroller or an FPS and you learn faster.
Cheaper alternative/tips. *You can use a circle compass plastic cutter. *Brooks are too expensive if you're only gonna use it for PC. Checkout Zero Delay USB encoder. It's just 5 bucks for the kit with wires
It’s way better to use your right thumb to Jump. I play KOF, and you jump a lot, you don’t want Jump on left thumb, it’s worse ergonomically and technically than even a mixbox. DON’T use left thumb. I learned with left thumb first and switched to right, it’s way more natural.
Very cool! Planning to build a cheap hitbox myself but that pcb price is kinda too steep for me rn, currently the brook zero pi seems to be a good budget alternative but still wondering if theres any other cheaper ones
Brook zero pi is already pretty cheap and it's tournament legal. But if you really want cheap, you'll need an arduino pro micro. They say the input lag is lesser than the Brook boards. Search for daemobite arcade encoder.
@@rovidelarosa Never thought of making my own! I had a quick look at the code and it seems to have socd cleaner written too. Been a few years since i played around with arduinos but i'll try to spend some time on it. Thank you so much your suggestion!
you can also create template with Coreldraw, save it to flashdisk, go to laser cutting service who also sale acrylic, wait, and voila, one hit box case ready to assemble. all you need to do next just acrylic glue, buttons, fighting board and begin assembling. No tool required... No need to buy drill or hole saw. You only need less than 15 bucks for case only. It strong, sturdy and look professional.
I'm toying with the idea of making a hitbox too... perhaps an "inverted" hitbox in which the direction buttons are actioned by my right hand. Pressing directions with my left hand just doesn't feel right to me...
You can do that with the Retro Board too, if you wanted to use it on the NES, SNES, GameCube, Xbox, or Wii using the PS1/PS2 cord and PS1/PS2 to Wii controller adapter...
Hi there, I'm not into fighting games at all, but love your channel. Is this setup aloowed on tournaments? Where can I get info about this? oooor... do you plan to do a video on tournament rules for people like me? :)
just wired mine seems to be correct, but my down button isnt working... tried it with a different button amd didnt work either .... could it be faulty wiring? or did i plug in wires incorrectly? one side of each button is black and then the color corresponding to the directions. but yes my down button doesnt work. Im lost
Case = $2 Internal parts = ~$120 EDIT: Buttons = ~$70 (Same model used, current price on their site) He doesn't do only "clickbait" videos, but this one is. Thought he would use one of the way simpler (and cheaper) boards. I get it, it doesn't work in many devices as the brook pcb, but c'mon, at least put something like "EPIC(huh) controller for ~$100!"
Brook sells a $25 board for PC only (also has SOCD cleaning built-in) called the ZeroPi board. And you can get Seimitsu/Sanwa buttons instead for about $30-40 total. In the US check out ArcadeShock or FocusAttack for arcade parts.
I always just pick up a cheap $10 corded controller and take the PCB board out and use it in my homemade controllers. Way cheaper than a $90 Brook one. in fact on my last homemade hitbox I put the analog sticks on th side of the box since the donor controller had them on it anyways. turned out great.
would be cool to see you build a normal fightstick now since i'd guess the board would be cheaper. it would also be nice to see it made of a wooden box for example good video, gj!
I really don't see a reason not to map the thumb button to crouch instead. Using thumb for jump may be intuitive for 2D sidescrolling platformer players, but makes zero sense for anybody who has played fighting games on keyboards.
People keep asking about the box lol the whole point was that any cheap sturdy box will do but here you go anyway! It’s from Daiso. It’s called “Multipurpose Storage Box - With Lid”. 12.3in x 9.4in x 3.1in. 200 JPY ($1.93 usd)
My Hero.
My only problem is $2 box $50 buttons $75 drill $25 drill bits $20 button mapper 3 hrs put together then you have to program it or you can spend $200 buy a hit box plug in done. Neat but super unnecessary 🙂 lol just finished the video and you said all of this 🤣
@@moop1522 most people have a drill, or a friend they can borrow from. You can get buttons for a bit less if you go with sanwa instead of gamerfinger. 100$ savings is a big deal
@@aminm8140 granted I didn’t use the cheapest material for a case and mine cost about $10, I went with several cheaper options for pieces and mine still cost me around the same amount as a standard hitbox. Granted I probably could have gotten a few things a little cheaper, but even with already having a drlll it would have only been about $40 cheaper all said and done had I been entirely thrifty
Not to say that may not be worth it, but it’s something so consider
Man in the US, I can't find anything similar to this
2 dollar box and little over 200 dollars worth of parts after taxes and shipping XD
yeah man that's too much for me, I prefer buy a second hand ps4 controllers and only took the pcb board out
I bought a sheet of plexiglass from Homedepot and converted my old Madcatz stick into a hitbox.
Also had to buy some new cables from brooks for 10 bucks. Totaled to 25 and change.
It’s not tourney legal since it doesn’t have input scrubbing but most fighting games I’ve tested on don’t register two inputs at once.
yes very silly project.... may as well buy one for the price of the parts.. how stupid
@@eternalstargazer7706 did you have any issues with soldering the connections to your box ?
That's why he only lists the price of the box and links everything else.
Doesn't want to do a tutorial. Does a better tutorial than 90% of YT videos. Hahahahaha nice vid man!
This can't be understated...
I've made my hitbox at home too, but I used some plywood to make the box, but it works so damn well! I wish I could've bought the Brook's board, but here in Brazil it's 5x the price because of currency, so I got a cheaper board online!
I'm also learning how to play on this gem! It's awesome!
i like these diy videos on this channel
I enjoyed this video! Good idea for a DIY 👍
If you can plug and play that quickly, why the hell hasn't Apple figured out controller stuff yet for MacOS and iOS?
Where did you find that two dollar box?
I want to make these instead of spent 200 dollar
Depending on the parts, It'll probably cost about the same. Well at least you'll have your choice of case and buttons.
Yeah ikr
I think it ll cost around 170 or so?
@@okakokakiev787 Yes about 160 without a case and if you opt for regular snap in sanwa buttons instead of gamerfingers.
It's also nice because you can keep some cookies fresh in there to munch on between rounds.
The true benefit of an openable arcade stick
😂
@@NihongoGamer it's not a true compartment unless you can fit a banana 🍌
I've been thinking about building an all-button controller, and often find myself thinking about non-Hitbox-standard layouts, and I think you've just provided me with a cheap and easy way to prototype them! Thank you!
I think that you can buy a mixbox conversation kit
or you can just make another front panel out of plywood and test it on your existing box. edit: didn't mean to reply to you, lucas. my bad
Look up the Frame 1 and B0XX, they are made for Smash games and have some extra buttons to emulate different stick angles. Very comfortable layouts too imho
For anyone wanting to try a hitbox but think the 24mm buttons are too small, there's a layout called the Shiokenstar layout. It uses all 30mm for the action buttons and the jump button, but 24 for Left, Right, Down, and the other stuff. I absolutely love this layout for hitbox and probably will only ever use it tbh lol
Sadly, it's missing now and nowhere to be found
@@cleangoblin2021 what are you looking for exactly?
try jumping with the right thumb, it does wonders specially for anime fighters, marvel, anything with airdashes, tiger knees, flash kicks, super jumps, SPDs, whatever. just jump with your right thumb.
Yep, the proper way to use it
Wow! I bet you could even drive a submarine with this thing!
Can we make it a point to compliment this man every time he posts a video wearing *the* hoodie?
it is a nice hoodie, tho
Ikr? I remember asking him where he got the Hoodie from sometime last year. I don't think he replied to me though :(
@@Freshman_FGC you could make that for cheap just buy a white hoodie and some fabric spray paint 🤔
@@cyberworld9000 Hahaha, facts
Reminds me of cookies n' creme
Thank you for being a great wiring guide. Didn't have to follow the weird diagrams, just listened to you be like 'orange, blue' etc. Take a like comment and subscribe.
Few tips: if you use a brook pcb make sure to always upgrade the firmware sometimes you might get the timeout issue on the PS4 also there board are fully compatible with ps5 and series s/x also on switch turn ON Pro Controller Wired Communication then hold 1k before plug-in the usb if you want to use the stick on the switch. All info and software are available on there site.
Good tips! Thanks
This was so great! Using a $2 plastic box with high quality arcade parts is peak FGC culture. Also I've been thinking about switching to hitbox for fightcade so this was awesome to see. I'm going to use this PCB so that I can also try it on DOA 4 since that's my fav fighting game right now.
Let’s grind? Nah, let’s D R I L L .
I’ve been looking around for cheap boxes like this and couldn’t find any for the right price. I ended up building my hitbox out of modeling cardboard (the type the use for architectural models). The fact that I could cut any shape of hole I wanted allowed me to include screw in shafts in the lid an other cool tricks, though. Making my own box allowed me to have it be a mirror image of the regular hitbox with the movement on the right and the actions on the left, I also switched up and down since I’m used to inputting down with my right hand thumb and I added an extra row of buttons above the action buttons. Those correspond with the right stick.
Also, instead of just making a hole for the USB cable, you could’ve bought a NEUTRIK USB type-A to USB type-B pass through converter and a short A to B USB cable and then your box would have the option for detachable cables.
Lastly, I’d like to mention that there are sellers on AliExpress who sell high quality cases for arcade controllers without the electronic parts, which allow for better looking builds.
"not a tutorial"
I really like how easy it is to make an arcade stick/fight stick with pretty much any box
You can even use a shoebox
@@neroforte6183 I even saw someone use their Xbox 360 to make one lol
That's if you have the tools
I did this multiple times to make homemade arcade sticks for N64, PS2, Wii and GameCube, along with loose controller boards and my soldering skills.
Can we get wires made for my colourblind brothers?
This is not a guide, not a tutorial this is simply I Having free time, a plastic box and LOTS OF MONEY for the material. But a cheap 2 dolar box, and a lot of MONEY ;) Love ur vids thou and I apreciate the honest of not putting cheap on the title!
I know your not a smash player but can you do a diy kind of video for a smash box
Tempting!
Well this was an unexpected surprise. Super cool.
This was the mistake I made, I should probably have used thicker plastic because it warped slightly when I put my buttons in, however it's strong enough to hold its shape. I'll make a better one in the future perhaps.
Definitely not a cheap option but being able to easily customize your own is really interesting. Cool video 😎
welcome to the world of DIY controllers, I made my own hitbox as well.
You sir are GOATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was having trouble putting my stick togetherand I was having difficulties with the wiring but this has helped a lot. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS AMAZING VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually a comprehensive building guide! Only wish Gamerfingers could ship to Canada so that I can build a hitstick (hitbox/fightstick hybrid)
Regardless of countless people saying to use right thumb to jump, when i got my Hitbox it just doesn’t feel right to use right thumb to jump, left thumb is superior lol
When a man wants a hitbox but is pleading poverty XD
Heh. The board alone costs around 100usd. And those gamerfinger buttons are hard to come by nowadays. They are the most premium buttons you can buy. The only poverty about that controller is the case.
I remember see someone make hitbox out of pizza box, now I can see how it work, I'm might give it a shot to create it in someday with goof box I can think of.
Gamer finger is still making buttons, but it kinda takes a few months for them to send them out, so BIG warning there
You can get full kits with buttons, cables, PCB and joystick for cheap on AliExpress, no soldering required either.
Yes, but those are not ideal for fighting games. The buttons are clicky and sometimes get stuck and the PCB has bad input lag.
@@rovidelarosa I've made a few and they work pretty well for a stick in a plastic box, although some of the kits from AliExpress are better than others. If you are serious about fighting games, don't go the plastic box way.
Hitbox is local and I talk to the guys a bit, apparently you're supposed to jump with your right thumb, it feels way more comfortable tbh.
"Not used to using my thumb to make him jump" coz you're used to Kanchō to make others jump.
I also got an idea of building a Mixbox myself,since its so freakin expensive.Dont know if i would be happy with a Hitbox
one way to find out is to build one! also, u can try the layout on a standard computer keyboard to see if you can get used to it
Honestly I might do this. Getting a Hitbox to the UK is almost £300 ($410) so like, a nice cigar box or something and decent parts on this would be a lot less.
Edit: I play with a keyboard with this layout already, so I know the feeling on the up button, but try to think of it as less of the up button, and more of the "jump" button line youre in a sidescroller or an FPS and you learn faster.
Try using some random wooden box you can find, that would replicate the feeling of an old school arcade machine arcade stick really well
nice video, good fun!
This is now an Arts and Crafts channel.
Arts and crafts and coffee channel
@@NihongoGamer I'm alright with that
you can use a "raspberry pi pico" for $4 instead of the $100 but there is a catch you need to write a software to work with it
Already done, and have software written. If any one wants the software?
@@mortman2952 yo
@@vuaiore sup?
Cheaper alternative/tips.
*You can use a circle compass plastic cutter.
*Brooks are too expensive if you're only gonna use it for PC. Checkout Zero Delay USB encoder.
It's just 5 bucks for the kit with wires
It’s way better to use your right thumb to Jump. I play KOF, and you jump a lot, you don’t want Jump on left thumb, it’s worse ergonomically and technically than even a mixbox. DON’T use left thumb.
I learned with left thumb first and switched to right, it’s way more natural.
So a single button costs more than the enclosure... Lol. Good work!
Imma come back to this video when I can afford to make my own box
Very cool! Planning to build a cheap hitbox myself but that pcb price is kinda too steep for me rn, currently the brook zero pi seems to be a good budget alternative but still wondering if theres any other cheaper ones
Brook zero pi is already pretty cheap and it's tournament legal. But if you really want cheap, you'll need an arduino pro micro. They say the input lag is lesser than the Brook boards. Search for daemobite arcade encoder.
@@rovidelarosa Never thought of making my own! I had a quick look at the code and it seems to have socd cleaner written too. Been a few years since i played around with arduinos but i'll try to spend some time on it. Thank you so much your suggestion!
After watching this I might try making my own, if I can make one with a $2 box
Me too
Yea
Nihongo in vid - "This is NOT a guide"
Nihongo in thumbnail - "BUILD THIS NOW!!"
you can also create template with Coreldraw, save it to flashdisk, go to laser cutting service who also sale acrylic, wait, and voila, one hit box case ready to assemble. all you need to do next just acrylic glue, buttons, fighting board and begin assembling. No tool required... No need to buy drill or hole saw. You only need less than 15 bucks for case only. It strong, sturdy and look professional.
I'm toying with the idea of making a hitbox too... perhaps an "inverted" hitbox in which the direction buttons are actioned by my right hand. Pressing directions with my left hand just doesn't feel right to me...
I’m having a tough time finding a correctly sized layout that’s printable. Any tips/ link would be a big help. Thank you anyone in advance
You can do that with the Retro Board too, if you wanted to use it on the NES, SNES, GameCube, Xbox, or Wii using the PS1/PS2 cord and PS1/PS2 to Wii controller adapter...
Nice I just made my first stick today, on a Pokémon collectors chest (lunch tin) it’s really cool. It’s kinda small but I love it
Hi there,
I'm not into fighting games at all, but love your channel.
Is this setup aloowed on tournaments? Where can I get info about this? oooor... do you plan to do a video on tournament rules for people like me? :)
just wired mine seems to be correct, but my down button isnt working... tried it with a different button amd didnt work either .... could it be faulty wiring? or did i plug in wires incorrectly? one side of each button is black and then the color corresponding to the directions. but yes my down button doesnt work. Im lost
2 dollar mu ass. The pcb alone is a 100$ and the other parts could cost up to another 100$ and maybe with shipping it could cost up to 250$+
As someone who played Smash64 and Melee limited to a keyboard for a while, those things are great.
Would you, perhaps, sell such creations for those us lacking tools, time, and handiness? 😂
What kind of standoff would you recommend for the board? Currently building a case out of wood.
Hello, I need to communicate with you because the joystick only works in the upper direction, it is only necessary. Please help me
Nice but... The board cost about 100 dollar here. Maybe hacking a cheap pad.
Case = $2
Internal parts = ~$120
EDIT: Buttons = ~$70 (Same model used, current price on their site)
He doesn't do only "clickbait" videos, but this one is. Thought he would use one of the way simpler (and cheaper) boards. I get it, it doesn't work in many devices as the brook pcb, but c'mon, at least put something like "EPIC(huh) controller for ~$100!"
Brook sells a $25 board for PC only (also has SOCD cleaning built-in) called the ZeroPi board. And you can get Seimitsu/Sanwa buttons instead for about $30-40 total.
In the US check out ArcadeShock or FocusAttack for arcade parts.
This is a really fun video! So, if that one plug was in the wrong connector, why did it all work? Anyway, great stuff!
I tried plugging in different wires and stuff during the video but didn't record it properly so had to edit in a photo later :)
@@NihongoGamer Oh, I see. It worked out so well! This just confirms that Daiso has everything a person could ever need, lol.
great video man! i was struggling to find videos on how to assemble one of these things but you got me through it
The buttons give a Power Rangers look to it. Looks awesome!
We are looking for the new controller to help gamer
Anyone order anything from gamer finger recently? I ordered something on the 12th and it’s been on processing since then
It may be late but i want to go back to japan later. Whats a good shop to buy arcade stick pieces?
Now time to invent the Nihongobox... kinda like the Gafrobox
Incredible you are a master of diy and very skill to do that I m fan you new sub 👍🏾
I just seen a video where someone made this out of cardboard a keyboard, rubber bands and glue
So can I just take a key board put it on my PS4 play fighting games that way
What if you ......... hear me out ....what if you use the hit box for a shooter game
7:33 nice hypoglycemic sticker.
Now this is what you would call a sleeper controller lol
Nice! One year ago, I did the same (almost) thing. I have made a wooden case for my first arcade stick. (Sorry for my terrible English).
Playing with an arcade stick is fun so why use one of these if you don't want to win tournaments?
That box sucks but at least the video is somewhat informative
Fun little project, innit? I've done this a couple of times, as it's the only way to get a stick with Happ/IL parts.
do you know if its possible to convert a traditional fight stick to a hitbox? basically replace the lever with buttons?
@@ballerificnumb914 Not sure. The hole for the joystick is a different size than for the buttons.
"CHEAP!"
92 euros for a the PCP alone...
I always just pick up a cheap $10 corded controller and take the PCB board out and use it in my homemade controllers. Way cheaper than a $90 Brook one. in fact on my last homemade hitbox I put the analog sticks on th side of the box since the donor controller had them on it anyways. turned out great.
yeah I'm too brook for that pcb board
Sir
Pls can u help me how can i print hitbox layout
I like you are careful and use a mask 😷 thumbs up for you my friend
Thumb button think of it as a space bar then it's less werid
I learn a lot about fight sticks from this channel. Love this content
"hey can i play too?"
"yeah you can use this controller"
would be cool to see you build a normal fightstick now since i'd guess the board would be cheaper.
it would also be nice to see it made of a wooden box for example
good video, gj!
Soy de Latinoamérica 💔. Ni siquiera eso es barato
I feel like a small wooden box wouldve created a few more aesthetic options but still really innovative!
wood is probably a much better option but I wanted keep it as simple as possible since it was my first build ever for an arcade controller
always look forward to your videos!
Is it recommended for Tekken?
where did you get the button layout?
I'd like to build this but mixbox
yo where did you get those buttons?
When you don’t have enough money to buy hitbox 💸 try to making hitbox like Nihongogamer 👍🏼👍🏼 such a perfect idea
Bro provide tamplate please
I really don't see a reason not to map the thumb button to crouch instead. Using thumb for jump may be intuitive for 2D sidescrolling platformer players, but makes zero sense for anybody who has played fighting games on keyboards.
I totally agree but people like it apparently. For me the wasd mix box makes way more sense.