Link from the video: 1. Gamepad test page on Gamepadla: gamepadla.com/flydigi-vader-4-pro.html 2. Stck Analyzer: gamepadla.com/#download 3. Joystick Tester: gamepadla.com/#download 4. Stick Asymmetry clip (STL): www.thingiverse.com/thing:6639774/files 5. Dissassembly tool: afil.link/tools 6. An article about the sticks latency: www.reddit.com/r/Controller/comments/1dyxd7c/some_hall_effect_joysticks_have_motion_smoothing/ 7. Article about the cyclicality test: www.reddit.com/r/Controller/comments/1dedai8/why_the_circularity_test_is_much_less_important/ 8. John Punch's support page: ko-fi.com/gamepadla
Thank you very much to the blogger for the detailed review of our controller, and to everyone for your love of our product! These test results are very important to us and have provided significant help in refining our products. We have now fixed the issue of larger outer dead zones problem and further optimized joystick latency. We welcome everyone to update to our firmware version 6.9.3.1 to try it out and provide us with any feedback. Thanks again to all Flydigi Fans!❤
you guys could place the 2 extra buttons by the bumpers ..we buy pro controllers to avoid using face buttons as much as possible ..mechanical switches in the bumpers(main point of failure on elite controllers) Also if you made the back buttons like the upcoming (razor v3 pad) that would be amazing.. back buttons placement is one of the reason some people wont even give your controllers a chance if not like the razor you can put them closer like the turtle beach stealth ultra which u can simply use 1 finger and switch between buttons to press way quicker and u can press both at the same time with practice if needed please come to xbox or PS lol
@@kenzilbaptiste2519 I totally agree with you. I would suggest to get under 10ms for joystick input too. If you own a Vader 4 Pro search for its paddles from Gary_BBGames, they're 3D printables and very easy to install ;)
This channel is worth a lot more than 865 subs. Superb analysis. Btw, you should make "Input Latences" a feature; it's definately not a typo... interestingly ;)
Thanks for a great informative in-depth deep-dive instead of all the hype with little actual useful info you get from many other channels. I hope you upload more videos in the future since new interesting controllers seem to release often these days.
the best review i have encountered on youtube period , i hope to see more on the newer and best tech out there that worth buying . but i still find great value on other reviews too , sine everyone offers different insight.
@Dead-0-Zone Hi! thanks a lot for sharing all the information, I made a custom kit for testing Edge and DS on PS5 which is incomplete, I was always wondering why despite having a 1000Hz polling rate the in-game delay and input lag is higher, some people said "Yeah Bro it's because PS5, PC is Faster" And how did they always test on PC? just the polling rate. I personally wasn't into PC testing as much as console and that was the reason I made the same mistake Anna mentioned in this video considering polling rate for Input lag. While if I duplicate the method I use for PS5 on PC, I'd probably get a higher input lag and the a closer result to reality. This video opened a lot of questions and my mind is now searching for answers, that's why I was looking for other creators to see what I can learn from them to improve my methods and make reliable tests. To start with, I'ma test different buttons and joystick inputs of Edge on PS5 once again to see if there's a difference for input lag, but after watching this video, I now have to do dozens of new tests and keep watching videos to understand what's actually going on! Thanks again for sharing, I was testing Vader 4 this week and even though the polling rate and bits were high, I felt like this controller doesn't feel as smooth when it comes to joystick, with this video I realized the physical outer deadzone + how the hall effect works, so I'm gonna delay my review one more week 😅
@Dead-0-Zone I remember that comment, when I started doing these tests I was so confused because each time I would realize something new, to this point and today, I can confirm that the game settings I tested and provided for reduced input lag (differential such as Upscale on Vs off) are not wrong, but the actual values? I can't tell for sure, because a lot of things are here now, but I will surely keep improving and learning from others to correct the past mistakes in future. Thanks too! have a nice day ahead.
Dude I honestly can’t stand him anymore. He just seems scummy, stuck up, and not at all humble. It’s more than obvious he’s a puppet for any one who will shell out enough money, bends the knee and says what they tell him. I know my mom said if I have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all., but seriously he’s doing us all a disservice… if I didn’t say something it would be worse.
Здравствуйте, Анна. Приятно было вас с Джоном послушать. Очень интересно. Кажется с новой прошивкой у этого геймпада действительно внешняя мертвая зона стала меньше. Желаю вашему каналу скорого развития
Simply the best review out there. I'm sick of channels confusing polling rate with actual input lag... Also i would love a top 10 controller stick latency video. Ive seen around the web that the bigbig won rainbow 2 se (specifically the se version) has some of the most accruate sticks available. Im curious if you find anything different about these sticks compared to others
Subscribed. I'd love to get your review on the Gulikit kk3 max/pro. I think it's valuable to watch 2 or 3 video reviews on a controller. Your reviews will always be a priority if I'm considering a controller.
I've been considering starting my own in depth controller review channel to do what you've done here because I've yet to see anyone go beyond a simple "yeh, it feels ok" for their controller reviews. Thanks for finally doing what I likely don't have the money and dedication to do.
This video is getting the very rare "saved" from me. I'll be using this again when the new controller comes in. Excellent work. Excellent. And also, I appreciate this being in english, it appears it isnt your native language, so as part of the mono-linguistic community, thanks.
Thank you for making this! Great content. I am not surprised the joysticks are slow. There is a lot of interference between axis‘s and sometimes the triggers takes a lot of post processing to get usable output out of it.
Wow, your review is very good. The effort, the data, and the analogy you put is easy to understand. I hope your channel is go big. You got another subscriber.
Really good video, probably the best controller review video I've ever seen. Could you please do a review of the new Gamesir Cyclone 2? Would be really appreciated. Thanks!
In my testing, Joystick Center Sensitivity seems to affect the output response curve of the sticks, near center. For example, "Slow" seems to half the output response between 0% to about 25% of both stick's tilt and then gradually ramp back up to a linear response beyond that.
Wow, what an in-depth review! I never knew there was so much to consider with gamepads. The joystick latency testing is fascinating. I wonder how other popular controllers would compare using that new GPDL tester method?
Fantastic review. What I really love about your reviews is that you are not just knocking on wood (or plastic) and then decide if it's good or bad. You open them up and look into the way the controller is build. the joystick regulator...a plastic screw is...not very trustworthy. But it probably doesn't matter as before that gear gets worn off the battery will be dead. The software was also improved. The Vader3Pro had problems with loading profiles that had keyboard keys on keys. Often when starting the PC or changing a profile caused the buttons with special inputs being blank (when C ,Z, M1...4 are blank some games recognize them as a special key) Then the profile had to be loaded from within the Space Station and everything was alright. But that can be annoying. With the Vader4Pro I didn't had those issues. Keyboard commands were loaded when changing profile and are still active when starting the computer. From what I understand they changed the way the profiles are saved. The only disadvantage right now is that the Vader4Pro isn't compatible with reWASD. The Flydigi Space Station is a fantastic software for a game controller. Not even the top products on the market have such a good software to adjust the button layout of a controller. ...but reWASD is for most cases even better. ...on the other side reWASD for Vader3Pro is only working in Android mode...that sucks as how you are saying, you cripple your controller. So I would recommend to wait until reWASD is supporting the controller before buying the Vader 4 Pro.
with the gyro thing... if you map right stick to gyro, does it work like botw, where you can aim with right joystick and at the same time, also aim with gyro?
Best review on the internet! I feel like this controller fell short on 2 of the most important things for fps. Circularity is not great and that stick input lag is terrible for tracking. If youre playing at 144Hz, thats 4 frames before your stick imputs register.
I have the Assassin's Creed Apex 4 and use it on my series x via an adapter. If you go into the space station app and spend some time tweeking the stick curve, you will see a vast improvement. I play a lot of fo4, and anybody who plays that game knows the enemy npc's move around a lot and are difficult to track. After spending some time tweaking and testing different stick curve setups, I now can quickly and smoothly track enemies in fo4 and pull off amazing head shots while also using a mod that introduces bullet drop in the game, which would make it even more of a challenge for tracking head shots. That stick curve adjustment in the flydigi Space Station app is a game changer, imho.
Oh, forgot to add. Like @estanbogue said about in-game latency, in fo4's case, I needed to go into fo4 settings and also adjust the aim response speed as well.
Great review Anna. It's the best out there for this controller when it comes to factual data. Much better than your V3 Pro review which was kinda poor. Johns software has also become extremely useful and now plays a large part in which controllers i buy. My V4 Pro will be arriving soon so i hope they fix the problems mentioned here, especially that huge outer deadzone. That one will be obvious in gameplay.
Thanks for the in depth review. Aiming with the Vader 3 Pro felt a little off for me (like the sensitivity curve was weird), and was wondering if the tension adjustment of the 4 would help. And I see you no longer need to switch to Chinese in the Flydigi app to update the controller (another thing they apparently didn’t back port to the V3P).
About the Thumbsticks: The "AZERON External Restrictor Ring": 2,- € // + hefty costly shipping fee// is made of full metal and fits perfect on these 2 analog sticks (easy to demontage -just push it out-) I use it for heavy fast WASD-movement style (with the reWASD software). But you can also use it for measurements or reduce the movement zone of the outer deadzone -> (timestamp of your video 20:45) Best test video as always!
@@kriswunderlichThe Nacon Revolution 5 Pro comes with many of these types of rings for free, although I'm not sure if they'll fit other controllers, but the concept seems to be the same.
7:30 it is surprising to me that the joysticks give different data in different connection modes. I like using bluetooth for PC flight simulators. I am looking for a controller with best analog sticks and analog triggers. Is the KK3max better than Vader 4 pro for me?
What is the best controller for FPS shooters like Apex Legends etc. Looks like dual sense edge potentially? joystick latency is important for shooters. That said, the stick resolution on the edge is weak. Would love an overview of which controller would offer the best experience for the genre
128 is a good resolution. Edge is great, especially if you play via Bluetooth. But there are more interesting gamepads via cable, but it's too early to advise anything, since not all stick latencies have been studied yet.
I have gotten one! And i promise you, its soooooo good! Best controller outthere im sure of it. Compared it with my dualsense edge wich is triple the price and it dosnt even get close. If you think of buying it and play on pc, DO IT!
@@deamooz9810 I have nothing bad to say really. Not trying to glaze but its that good to me and the feel in mty hands. Only thing i would change is the placement on the backpaddles and if i could have the stick placement at the same spot on the controller. But thats just preference and im really pushing it to find something i dont like :)
I have both and you’re certainly over praising the Vader 4 vs the dual sense edge. The Vader is good for its price and if its features are an absolute necessity. It is not nearly as premium feeling or good of a complete user experience. It is cheaply made and the variance across each is huge. If you’re on a budget it’s great, but certainly has its shortcomings and flaws.
I feel like your not a competitive gamer then. First of all - vader 4 has hall effect sticks and has no problems with stick drift. Edge has a feature to change the whole stick but it has been out of stock since lauch! :D So your buyng a dual sense stock controller for 200$ with trigger stops and 2 paddles :D Its such a dogshit controller. Build quality might be a little better but not nealy that much as your saying. It has drift proof sticks 4 paddles wich is prefered for fps games and more others together with trigger stops and tension rings on the sticks so it never gets to loose. Feel like you talking out your ass tbh, or you havnt tried both on a competetive level. Giving 400% more for the dualsense edge and then after 3-6 months you get stickdrift and cant find a fix for it because they believe so little in theyre own product they havnt produced the stick modules since launch :D Good luck with it.
So basically it’s cool for casual gamers but for people playing more seriously you should avoid until they fix the outer dead zone issues because it ruins accuracy? What controller do you recommend instead? For competitive gamers who play intense shooters. What are your thoughts on Gamesir G7 SE raw mode that disables the outer deadzones for “more speed and precision”?
I had the Gamesir G7 SE for testing, and I was very impressed with its quality, but I hadn't tested the sticks properly yet, so I can't say for sure whether they are of good quality and what their latency is.
I play warzone and mp which aren’t really “competitive” but I’m competitive. I’ve used scufs the last 5 or so years and recently bought the apex and this. There’s absolutely no issues plus the Hall effect sticks are awesome. Haven’t touched my scuf since and will never buy another one. You’ll be happy with it I promise especially for the price difference to scuf, 4-1
Outer deadzone is the same on the g7se when using raw mode. Making raw mode more like just reducing the deadzone while on circlet/non raw mode. I think gamesir should fix it..
Amazing in-depth review. Unfortunate to hear about the symmetry problem, which hopefully can be fixed with firmware. Will you be reviewing Razer's V3 anytime soon? Looking forward to more of your content!
This is what a proper review looks like-technical, backed by data, and filled with concrete numbers. Unlike other reviewers who rely more on subjective opinions, this approach gives clear, measurable insights.
Except they never updated it apparently tested in the worst possible scenarios. Me and everyone I know with Vader 4 had completely different numbers and even better on the latest firmware.
Respect for the detailed measurements. I would like to see 8bitdo ultimate 2.4G next, it does have a polling rate of 1000hz (cable) and out of all controllers i tested, it’s analog sticks feel the snappiest. 8bitdo upgraded this model with hall effect sticks. I assume that they left everything else more or less the same, so it would be pretty interesting to compare hall latency to potentiometer in a „controlled environment“
I got the Vader 4 Pro recently, and it's been a great experience so far, much better than any PS controller I've ever used. No, I'm not a pro gamer, as I've got a real job, so I don't care too much about the finer details, but it's still nice to know the nuances into what makes a good controller. I think for the price, it's a no brainer for most casual gamers, and the only ppl I can see complaining about it are DS Edge and Scuf fanboys who absolutely swear upon those controllers.
Bro I agree I bought a scuff fps for ps5 it's great but had issues and for 250 dollars it shouldn't have any issues. This controller feels way better and is way cheapier
I’ve had no issues with my Scuf reflex fps and I bought this for a backup and love it. Haven’t touched the scuf since and won’t ever buy another one. You can get 4 of these for the price of a Scuf
@killshot3331 Scuf controllers don't seem to have many QC issues, as they do take care when it comes to modding the controller and ensuring that it's been properly tested before it leaves their factory. But unless you're a Warzone pro, who hasn't gotten used to hall effect joysticks, it's just a complete waste of money imo.
@@StardustLegacyFighter I’ve had an issue with every single scuf I’ve had except for this last one. Sending it in to get repaired is the same price as a brand new vader which does everything and more and with better sticks. Flydigi is getting my money from now on
Hello, will I be able to play COD via steam with the vader 4 pro? As in all buttons are available, usable and remapping supported? Or do I have to do it over battlenet.
i am using 8bitdo hall effect contrroller after frustrating experience with Xbox Elite controller. Absolutely loving it. The Elite controller just absolutely ruined my experience after RB button fail and horrible left analog stick drift. I fixed the RB button but couldn't fix the drift issue. I tried few things but i think the internal plastic stick mechanism needs replacement. Buying the 8bitdo was the best decision i made, although i miss the ergonomics of the elite controller. I wanted two solid pc controllers now i have one of them (8bitdo) however , i really want flydigi vader pro 4 as the second wireless option. I might go for it, however the input latency on the dongle seems slightly higher compared to 8bitdo's ~5 ms plus the outer deadzone concerns.
That outer dead zone issue is a deal-breaker for me. 22% loss is huge for competitive FPS games. Flydigi needs to fix this ASAP with a firmware update.
So how come they addressed input latency with a very fast firmware update, but the outer dead zone issue gets left for months? I fear I may have wasted my money.
Link from the video:
1. Gamepad test page on Gamepadla: gamepadla.com/flydigi-vader-4-pro.html
2. Stck Analyzer: gamepadla.com/#download
3. Joystick Tester: gamepadla.com/#download
4. Stick Asymmetry clip (STL): www.thingiverse.com/thing:6639774/files
5. Dissassembly tool: afil.link/tools
6. An article about the sticks latency: www.reddit.com/r/Controller/comments/1dyxd7c/some_hall_effect_joysticks_have_motion_smoothing/
7. Article about the cyclicality test: www.reddit.com/r/Controller/comments/1dedai8/why_the_circularity_test_is_much_less_important/
8. John Punch's support page: ko-fi.com/gamepadla
you're a very good girl, very cool job on the review👍
@annapunch would you make a community post on your channel if/when outer dead zone is fixed?
Am I right the gamepadla does not yet try to check the analog quality of triggers?
Thank you very much to the blogger for the detailed review of our controller, and to everyone for your love of our product! These test results are very important to us and have provided significant help in refining our products. We have now fixed the issue of larger outer dead zones problem and further optimized joystick latency. We welcome everyone to update to our firmware version 6.9.3.1 to try it out and provide us with any feedback. Thanks again to all Flydigi Fans!❤
you guys could place the 2 extra buttons by the bumpers ..we buy pro controllers to avoid using face buttons as much as possible ..mechanical switches in the bumpers(main point of failure on elite controllers)
Also if you made the back buttons like the upcoming (razor v3 pad) that would be amazing..
back buttons placement is one of the reason some people wont even give your controllers a chance
if not like the razor you can put them closer like the turtle beach stealth ultra which u can simply use 1 finger and switch between buttons to press way quicker and u can press both at the same time with practice if needed
please come to xbox or PS lol
you rock brom, real No.1
@Flydigi Please make Bluetooth connection work on PC too
@@kenzilbaptiste2519 I totally agree with you. I would suggest to get under 10ms for joystick input too.
If you own a Vader 4 Pro search for its paddles from Gary_BBGames, they're 3D printables and very easy to install ;)
When is all this coming to the apex 4?
This is an insanely good review. Love how you go in depth with it including teardowns and deadzone stats.
17:13 Timecode for a separate bonus from me in this review
John, You and Anna ROCK! Cheers from Texas!!
@@JohnnyJaga Thank you. Hello from Ukraine
Awesome review. I really liked it. Very precise and backed by data. This is a big step forward from all that I have seen.
You said that for competitive players there may be better alternatives, what would they be?
Sensacional video
This is the best review of a controller I have ever seen. You've gained a new subscriber 😃
Phenomenal review. I hope you keep doing these. Quality / thoroughness is quite possibly the best I have seen.
I haven’t finished the video, but holy crap. Such an informative video! Thank you so much for the review!!
keep on making more videos!!! really liked the quality from both of you punches!!
This channel is worth a lot more than 865 subs. Superb analysis.
Btw, you should make "Input Latences" a feature; it's definately not a typo... interestingly ;)
You are top notch reviewer, straight to the point and make a lot of real case tests. Very clear and informative 👍
Wow this is the best controller review I have ever seen! The technical details are awesome. Thank you !
Thanks for a great informative in-depth deep-dive instead of all the hype with little actual useful info you get from many other channels. I hope you upload more videos in the future since new interesting controllers seem to release often these days.
Unbelievably good video. Data driven reviews and I'm all here for it.
best review out there
you have my follow keep up the amazing work!
the best review i have encountered on youtube period , i hope to see more on the newer and best tech out there that worth buying . but i still find great value on other reviews too , sine everyone offers different insight.
This is the best review i ve ever seen about vader 4 pro, thks so much, the example about the lateacy test is so loud and clear, thank you so much
Wow, what a review, no annoying story telling
Both John and you are amazing creators. Those reviews are on a whole other level. Salutations from Canada! 🫡
better than controller captain, straight to the point and no BS
Can you recommend me some of the best channels you watch for controller reviews? Thanks in advance
@Dead-0-Zone Hi! thanks a lot for sharing all the information, I made a custom kit for testing Edge and DS on PS5 which is incomplete, I was always wondering why despite having a 1000Hz polling rate the in-game delay and input lag is higher, some people said "Yeah Bro it's because PS5, PC is Faster"
And how did they always test on PC? just the polling rate.
I personally wasn't into PC testing as much as console and that was the reason I made the same mistake Anna mentioned in this video considering polling rate for Input lag.
While if I duplicate the method I use for PS5 on PC, I'd probably get a higher input lag and the a closer result to reality.
This video opened a lot of questions and my mind is now searching for answers, that's why I was looking for other creators to see what I can learn from them to improve my methods and make reliable tests.
To start with, I'ma test different buttons and joystick inputs of Edge on PS5 once again to see if there's a difference for input lag, but after watching this video, I now have to do dozens of new tests and keep watching videos to understand what's actually going on!
Thanks again for sharing, I was testing Vader 4 this week and even though the polling rate and bits were high, I felt like this controller doesn't feel as smooth when it comes to joystick, with this video I realized the physical outer deadzone + how the hall effect works, so I'm gonna delay my review one more week 😅
@Dead-0-Zone I remember that comment, when I started doing these tests I was so confused because each time I would realize something new, to this point and today, I can confirm that the game settings I tested and provided for reduced input lag (differential such as Upscale on Vs off) are not wrong, but the actual values? I can't tell for sure, because a lot of things are here now, but I will surely keep improving and learning from others to correct the past mistakes in future.
Thanks too! have a nice day ahead.
You watch for Kevin for the laughs and these guys for the science.
Basically, Top Gear vs Fifth Gear, but about controllers and not cars.
Dude I honestly can’t stand him anymore. He just seems scummy, stuck up, and not at all humble. It’s more than obvious he’s a puppet for any one who will shell out enough money, bends the knee and says what they tell him. I know my mom said if I have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all., but seriously he’s doing us all a disservice… if I didn’t say something it would be worse.
Здравствуйте, Анна. Приятно было вас с Джоном послушать. Очень интересно. Кажется с новой прошивкой у этого геймпада действительно внешняя мертвая зона стала меньше. Желаю вашему каналу скорого развития
This is a very good review! Very nice work, thank you! Commenting for the algorithm!
I play MnK, but holy shit this is one hell of a review for just a controller. Subscribed.
Fantastic review, Anna!
Simply the best review out there. I'm sick of channels confusing polling rate with actual input lag... Also i would love a top 10 controller stick latency video. Ive seen around the web that the bigbig won rainbow 2 se (specifically the se version) has some of the most accruate sticks available. Im curious if you find anything different about these sticks compared to others
Idk vCuda has a pretty good review of this too.
What a great review! Best one on the internet! Thanks, Anna 🇧🇷
Amazing content. You deserve thousands of subscribers!
Your review presentation and testing methodology packs a Punch
Hopefully you’ll make more reviews like this, it’s hard to find so much helpful information in one place, if at all
Subscribed. I'd love to get your review on the Gulikit kk3 max/pro. I think it's valuable to watch 2 or 3 video reviews on a controller. Your reviews will always be a priority if I'm considering a controller.
Great high quality production
This is the best review i ve ever seen about vader 4 pro, thks so much, the example about the lateacy test is so loud and clear
AWESOME VIDEO
Excellent video!!! loved all the information and data! cant wait for more reviews and more opinions on tech!
Huge production quality on this review, I'm surprised this channel doesn't have more subs, so I'm helping with mine! Keep up the good work!! :D
I've been considering starting my own in depth controller review channel to do what you've done here because I've yet to see anyone go beyond a simple "yeh, it feels ok" for their controller reviews. Thanks for finally doing what I likely don't have the money and dedication to do.
This video is getting the very rare "saved" from me. I'll be using this again when the new controller comes in. Excellent work. Excellent. And also, I appreciate this being in english, it appears it isnt your native language, so as part of the mono-linguistic community, thanks.
Great job guys, keep em coming!
Thank you for making this! Great content. I am not surprised the joysticks are slow. There is a lot of interference between axis‘s and sometimes the triggers takes a lot of post processing to get usable output out of it.
Wow, your review is very good. The effort, the data, and the analogy you put is easy to understand. I hope your channel is go big. You got another subscriber.
Perfect review!
Just got a flydigi update for outer deadzones and joystick latency. Curious for a quick update from y'all
Awesome technical review, looking forward to see more of them!
very informative video!!! subbed!
I appreciate it
@@AnnaPunch what are the best settings in terms of 12 bit or 8 bit and best performance for fps.?
Very good video. I'd love to see an in depth review like this for the Gamesir g7 SE :). Thank you guys.
Really good video, probably the best controller review video I've ever seen. Could you please do a review of the new Gamesir Cyclone 2? Would be really appreciated. Thanks!
In my testing, Joystick Center Sensitivity seems to affect the output response curve of the sticks, near center. For example, "Slow" seems to half the output response between 0% to about 25% of both stick's tilt and then gradually ramp back up to a linear response beyond that.
love your channel.. keep up the good work
One of the best reviews ive seen of any product. And I watch way too many reviews
Wow, what an in-depth review! I never knew there was so much to consider with gamepads. The joystick latency testing is fascinating. I wonder how other popular controllers would compare using that new GPDL tester method?
Perfect video review! =)
Awesome in-depth review. Would love to see you review the new Razer Wolverine V3!
Hii, since you said you dont recommend the flydigi to games focused on the joystick, wich controller you would sugest instead of the vader 4 pro?
Excellent review. Absolutely worth the wait
Thank you
If I understand correctly: polling rate is how often the joystick sends data to the computer, input lag is how old the data it sends is.
Amazing review!
Fantastic review.
What I really love about your reviews is that you are not just knocking on wood (or plastic) and then decide if it's good or bad. You open them up and look into the way the controller is build.
the joystick regulator...a plastic screw is...not very trustworthy. But it probably doesn't matter as before that gear gets worn off the battery will be dead.
The software was also improved. The Vader3Pro had problems with loading profiles that had keyboard keys on keys. Often when starting the PC or changing a profile caused the buttons with special inputs being blank (when C ,Z, M1...4 are blank some games recognize them as a special key) Then the profile had to be loaded from within the Space Station and everything was alright. But that can be annoying.
With the Vader4Pro I didn't had those issues. Keyboard commands were loaded when changing profile and are still active when starting the computer. From what I understand they changed the way the profiles are saved.
The only disadvantage right now is that the Vader4Pro isn't compatible with reWASD. The Flydigi Space Station is a fantastic software for a game controller. Not even the top products on the market have such a good software to adjust the button layout of a controller.
...but reWASD is for most cases even better. ...on the other side reWASD for Vader3Pro is only working in Android mode...that sucks as how you are saying, you cripple your controller.
So I would recommend to wait until reWASD is supporting the controller before buying the Vader 4 Pro.
You know this is actually a good video. Does anyone know if they fixed the stick issues like high latency and dead zones?
Great review. Thanks!
with the gyro thing... if you map right stick to gyro, does it work like botw, where you can aim with right joystick and at the same time, also aim with gyro?
You should do a top 5 controllers this year!
And this is a good idea for a video for the New Year
I thought i was on an episode from friends . Nice job Ursula.
Excellent video!!
good channel in details
Amazing video!
This is an amazing video, love the amount of details you into and the comparisons you make. I’m still looking for the best controller…
Best review on the internet!
I feel like this controller fell short on 2 of the most important things for fps. Circularity is not great and that stick input lag is terrible for tracking. If youre playing at 144Hz, thats 4 frames before your stick imputs register.
By the way, it's a good idea to convert the delay to frames.
I have the Assassin's Creed Apex 4 and use it on my series x via an adapter. If you go into the space station app and spend some time tweeking the stick curve, you will see a vast improvement.
I play a lot of fo4, and anybody who plays that game knows the enemy npc's move around a lot and are difficult to track.
After spending some time tweaking and testing different stick curve setups, I now can quickly and smoothly track enemies in fo4 and pull off amazing head shots while also using a mod that introduces bullet drop in the game, which would make it even more of a challenge for tracking head shots.
That stick curve adjustment in the flydigi Space Station app is a game changer, imho.
Oh, forgot to add. Like @estanbogue said about in-game latency, in fo4's case, I needed to go into fo4 settings and also adjust the aim response speed as well.
Just waiting for flydigi apex 3 & apex 4 review ❤
I love it, this is a super advance review, by far the most depth, keep this kind of reviews, by the way the guy with the gun was unnecessary,
Awesome review 👏 👌
Great review Anna. It's the best out there for this controller when it comes to factual data. Much better than your V3 Pro review which was kinda poor. Johns software has also become extremely useful and now plays a large part in which controllers i buy. My V4 Pro will be arriving soon so i hope they fix the problems mentioned here, especially that huge outer deadzone. That one will be obvious in gameplay.
Incredible testing, Anna (and John)!
Thank you from both of us
Thanks for the in depth review.
Aiming with the Vader 3 Pro felt a little off for me (like the sensitivity curve was weird), and was wondering if the tension adjustment of the 4 would help.
And I see you no longer need to switch to Chinese in the Flydigi app to update the controller (another thing they apparently didn’t back port to the V3P).
nice review and nice editing video
Gonna need a video like this for the Apex 4
very good review
Love the detailed teardown! Those adjustable tension rings are interesting. I wonder if it's possible to 3D print custom ones with more defined steps?
What a review!!!
It would be nice to see your review on the razer Wolverine v3 pro😊
How is this compared to the razer v3 pro?
About the Thumbsticks:
The "AZERON External Restrictor Ring": 2,- € // + hefty costly shipping fee//
is made of full metal and fits perfect on these 2 analog sticks (easy to demontage -just push it out-)
I use it for heavy fast WASD-movement style (with the reWASD software). But you can also use it for measurements or reduce the movement zone of the outer deadzone -> (timestamp of your video 20:45)
Best test video as always!
I am from Germany....I want have These rings. But the delivery costs me over 20 €😢
@@kriswunderlichThe Nacon Revolution 5 Pro comes with many of these types of rings for free, although I'm not sure if they'll fit other controllers, but the concept seems to be the same.
7:30 it is surprising to me that the joysticks give different data in different connection modes. I like using bluetooth for PC flight simulators. I am looking for a controller with best analog sticks and analog triggers. Is the KK3max better than Vader 4 pro for me?
What is the best controller for FPS shooters like Apex Legends etc. Looks like dual sense edge potentially? joystick latency is important for shooters. That said, the stick resolution on the edge is weak. Would love an overview of which controller would offer the best experience for the genre
128 is a good resolution. Edge is great, especially if you play via Bluetooth. But there are more interesting gamepads via cable, but it's too early to advise anything, since not all stick latencies have been studied yet.
@@AnnaPunch hmm. Please let us know what you uncover for FPS games.
I have gotten one! And i promise you, its soooooo good! Best controller outthere im sure of it. Compared it with my dualsense edge wich is triple the price and it dosnt even get close. If you think of buying it and play on pc, DO IT!
I heard that when you move the joysticks around in circles, it doesn't feel perfectly smooth, what do you think?
@@deamooz9810 I have nothing bad to say really. Not trying to glaze but its that good to me and the feel in mty hands. Only thing i would change is the placement on the backpaddles and if i could have the stick placement at the same spot on the controller. But thats just preference and im really pushing it to find something i dont like :)
@@aawrr-q2m that's good to hear. Yeah, I've seen people 3d print back paddles for Vader pro controllers on Reddit
I have both and you’re certainly over praising the Vader 4 vs the dual sense edge. The Vader is good for its price and if its features are an absolute necessity. It is not nearly as premium feeling or good of a complete user experience. It is cheaply made and the variance across each is huge. If you’re on a budget it’s great, but certainly has its shortcomings and flaws.
I feel like your not a competitive gamer then. First of all - vader 4 has hall effect sticks and has no problems with stick drift. Edge has a feature to change the whole stick but it has been out of stock since lauch! :D So your buyng a dual sense stock controller for 200$ with trigger stops and 2 paddles :D Its such a dogshit controller. Build quality might be a little better but not nealy that much as your saying. It has drift proof sticks 4 paddles wich is prefered for fps games and more others together with trigger stops and tension rings on the sticks so it never gets to loose. Feel like you talking out your ass tbh, or you havnt tried both on a competetive level. Giving 400% more for the dualsense edge and then after 3-6 months you get stickdrift and cant find a fix for it because they believe so little in theyre own product they havnt produced the stick modules since launch :D Good luck with it.
So basically it’s cool for casual gamers but for people playing more seriously you should avoid until they fix the outer dead zone issues because it ruins accuracy? What controller do you recommend instead? For competitive gamers who play intense shooters. What are your thoughts on Gamesir G7 SE raw mode that disables the outer deadzones for “more speed and precision”?
I had the Gamesir G7 SE for testing, and I was very impressed with its quality, but I hadn't tested the sticks properly yet, so I can't say for sure whether they are of good quality and what their latency is.
@@AnnaPunch what’s your go to controller with low latency and high accuracy thumbsticks for competitive shooters?
I play warzone and mp which aren’t really “competitive” but I’m competitive. I’ve used scufs the last 5 or so years and recently bought the apex and this. There’s absolutely no issues plus the Hall effect sticks are awesome. Haven’t touched my scuf since and will never buy another one. You’ll be happy with it I promise especially for the price difference to scuf, 4-1
Outer deadzone is the same on the g7se when using raw mode. Making raw mode more like just reducing the deadzone while on circlet/non raw mode. I think gamesir should fix it..
This is great video. Tyty
Amazing in-depth review. Unfortunate to hear about the symmetry problem, which hopefully can be fixed with firmware. Will you be reviewing Razer's V3 anytime soon? Looking forward to more of your content!
This is what a proper review looks like-technical, backed by data, and filled with concrete numbers. Unlike other reviewers who rely more on subjective opinions, this approach gives clear, measurable insights.
Except they never updated it apparently tested in the worst possible scenarios. Me and everyone I know with Vader 4 had completely different numbers and even better on the latest firmware.
I never knew I was possible to geek out on a controller that much..🤷♂️😄
😂😂 roket scientist level.
la meilleure vidéo sur la vader 4, et vous utilisez un steel series en casque ,faites encore plus de test
Any chance you're gonna review the Game Sir Tarantula or the BigBigWon Blitz 2 TMR?
Respect for the detailed measurements.
I would like to see 8bitdo ultimate 2.4G next, it does have a polling rate of 1000hz (cable) and out of all controllers i tested, it’s analog sticks feel the snappiest. 8bitdo upgraded this model with hall effect sticks. I assume that they left everything else more or less the same, so it would be pretty interesting to compare hall latency to potentiometer in a „controlled environment“
According to another video by Danial ZH, the deadzone issue got fixed in the latest update.
I got the Vader 4 Pro recently, and it's been a great experience so far, much better than any PS controller I've ever used.
No, I'm not a pro gamer, as I've got a real job, so I don't care too much about the finer details, but it's still nice to know the nuances into what makes a good controller.
I think for the price, it's a no brainer for most casual gamers, and the only ppl I can see complaining about it are DS Edge and Scuf fanboys who absolutely swear upon those controllers.
Bro I agree I bought a scuff fps for ps5 it's great but had issues and for 250 dollars it shouldn't have any issues. This controller feels way better and is way cheapier
I’ve had no issues with my Scuf reflex fps and I bought this for a backup and love it. Haven’t touched the scuf since and won’t ever buy another one. You can get 4 of these for the price of a Scuf
@killshot3331 Scuf controllers don't seem to have many QC issues, as they do take care when it comes to modding the controller and ensuring that it's been properly tested before it leaves their factory.
But unless you're a Warzone pro, who hasn't gotten used to hall effect joysticks, it's just a complete waste of money imo.
@@StardustLegacyFighter I’ve had an issue with every single scuf I’ve had except for this last one. Sending it in to get repaired is the same price as a brand new vader which does everything and more and with better sticks. Flydigi is getting my money from now on
@@killshot3331That sucks, I didn't expect that from Scuf.
I guess they're falling behind other modded controller brands like Hex Gaming.
Hello, will I be able to play COD via steam with the vader 4 pro? As in all buttons are available, usable and remapping supported? Or do I have to do it over battlenet.
i am using 8bitdo hall effect contrroller after frustrating experience with Xbox Elite controller. Absolutely loving it. The Elite controller just absolutely ruined my experience after RB button fail and horrible left analog stick drift. I fixed the RB button but couldn't fix the drift issue. I tried few things but i think the internal plastic stick mechanism needs replacement. Buying the 8bitdo was the best decision i made, although i miss the ergonomics of the elite controller. I wanted two solid pc controllers now i have one of them (8bitdo) however , i really want flydigi vader pro 4 as the second wireless option. I might go for it, however the input latency on the dongle seems slightly higher compared to 8bitdo's ~5 ms plus the outer deadzone concerns.
That outer dead zone issue is a deal-breaker for me. 22% loss is huge for competitive FPS games. Flydigi needs to fix this ASAP with a firmware update.
Hey it’s still a problem but only with the gyro mapped right stick it’s actually fixed right now
Until you use gyro native
Updated
So how come they addressed input latency with a very fast firmware update, but the outer dead zone issue gets left for months? I fear I may have wasted my money.
They’ve addressed both issues!