2 Alarm Fire MULTIPLE APARTMENTS FULLY INVOLVED Lakewood, New Jersey 12/4/21
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- Опубликовано: 4 дек 2021
- OC - Lakewood - 1618 Monmouth Rd. - 2ND ALARM
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Around 1:18pm Lakewood dispatch got a call for a reported structure fire with pets trapped and flames and smoke showing from the first floor. The first reports were that someone was trying to put it out with a fire extinguisher. Ladder 5 was first due and E-5 reported they saw the column in the air on the way to the scene and called for a general alarm. Chief two showed up just after L-5 & E-5. They were met with heavy fire from the first floor and started an attack plan while hooking to the nearest hydrant in front of the fire building. Soon Chief 2 called for a 2nd Alarm and the fire started to grow. About 15 mins later they had fire from the 1st & 2nd floor and through the roof. Mutual aid was called to the scene and kept fighting the fire until it was knocked about 30 mins later. The cause of the fire is unknown at this time.
Stations on the Fire Ground -
All Lakewood Stations
Station 21
Station 23 & 24
Stations 27,29,30
Station 75
Stations 42
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I just stumbled across your channel yesterday love the content.. was a DC firefighter for 8 yrs
2 unit standing and watching, doing nothing 8.
These fire fighters are very slow to react to the largest fire! Just working on smoke in the front yard. Massive fire in the back.
When I was on the job we used water to put fires out. We figured out that just milling around pointing at it didn't help.
They did have water on it lol. What video did you watch? First minute there’s a crew inside. Everyone wants to play arm chair QB from their toilet bowl or bed
You're right. That whole place blew up and no additional water in sight.
The scariest thing about apartments is that not only do you have to worry about yourself starting a fire but also falling victim because of those around you.
I avoided apartment living almost my whole life for that reason. Recently, I didn't have a choice and ended up in one. Almost immediately there was a fire.
They can spread from house to house as well depending how close they are to each other. The problem with older apartments is many of them lack fire walls to isolate the individual units. That's why the smoke was able to spread across the entire length of the attic.
I lived in a flat above a row of shops beneath. All shops were shut but one of them had an electrical fault which was to blame for the incident that almost took my life. This was in the UK back in 1995. I sued the bastard's in the end. About 85% of my belongings were destroyed. Wouldn't recommend anybody living on a top floor of shops.
This is a hard video to watch, good training video of how not to fight a fire 😳
Man I thought I was the only one I haven't seen anything like this before over 15 mins and no water on the fire so much confusion over the air madness
What would you have done differently? Please be specific.
You are right and good friends of mine are fighting that fire now wait till I talk to them
@@chrisjct you are mistaken sir. There were hoses operating inside the structure.
Terence, that's because you have no earthly idea what you are looking at.
20 years in the fire service and I've never seen it take that long to get water on a fire...........
Don't lie, you are not a firefighter. You clearly see from the beginning that they were fighting the fire from inside the building.
@@peeterl.2016 People just be typin whatever the hell they want these days
@@peeterl.2016 well maybe that's the wrong approach to this fire to send all the firefighters inside?
I have 10 years in the fireservice and I think that our team of 5 people would do a better job than this to be honest
@@Rickard53 the thing is, you dont know the real situation there, it is just a video filmed by a bystander
@@peeterl.2016 what's the real situation then? Inform me.
Because as a firefighter you can only act on the information you get when the call comes in and by the way fire spreads and how it looks.. right?
Having previously worked as a maintenance man in buildings like these I found often times that cable or phone guys who accessed the attic spaces rarely closed the doors in partition walls.
I found out you cant build heating in the attics cuz its already fricken hot in the attic now look people losing houses cuz of the careless people
It seemed to take a long time to get an engine or truck to the "C" side of the structure and why didn't T-5 start flowing sooner?
Ladder 5 was initial command and ignored “C”? I’m armchairing it from an IPad; it’s always a different story live on scene.
18 minutes in and the two trucks in back are still trying to figure out where to park .
Seemed like they were onsite a long time before sending the water .... of course I have zero fire fighting experience .. so that could be normal. Also seemed like 20 firefights standing around outside ... not sure how many were spraying water
they cannot put water on the roof from the outside, while there are firefighters inside, looking for people.
@@hounddog946 from what they said an engine was to lay supply to Ladder 5
if there is smoke pushing out of roofs of neighboring apartments this could mean there are no divisions in the attic structure which is VERY dangerous .
right? from one side of the structure to the end.
However, when the fire vents itself there is your opportunity to keep it in check.
Exactly but, they are made to contain fire not smoke.
When I’m doubt . Trench cut both sides of the fire building .
Dead on brother
I don't understand why they weren't on the "c" side of the building. The fire was much more accessible there, and had they gotten water on it sooner from THAT side, it might have been put out quicker?
Putting water on a fire quickly doesn't seem to be the standard in the US...
Conserving water…”green new deal”
I was thinking same thing, why no trucks on that side? At 15:00 first truck shows up at C-side...
They don't seem interested in putting it out. They move at the speed of molasses
@@StevenvanHonschooten
Please tell us two things:
1. When was first water placed on this fire?
2. Tell us how you are able to determine when that was?
Well since everyone else added their 2 cents here goes mine. After watching this video, my initial reaction was "Man these guys really messed this one up and need to do some serious training." But after watching the entire video, it appears to me that these guys had an EXTREMELY aggressive interior attack on this fire. Which would explain why they never put the ladder pipe or master streams in play. My critique is that I would have wanted to see vertical ventilation over the apartments involved with fire but it's easy to sit here and say that. It's quite possible they simply did not have the manpower to do that. In my experience, this building would be a very manpower intensive job. You would need lots of hooks inside opening up those ceilings to expose that fire for your nozzle men. This building has heavy fire running a very large cockloft which covers several apartments. Thank goodness the firewalls held up and did their job. At the end of the video, you can see the majority of damage is contained to one section of the structure. So yes it looked ugly at some points,but I think they made a hard fought stop.
Like I said before- they got really lucky here. The ladder trucks importance is really moot point here. With the small size of this structure (deep) having those trucks using master streams would have put the Firefighters inside the structure at risk (and usually they are not used unless all personnel are out of the building). But, they could have been used to get people & equipment on that roof quickly with to start trenching. Also one of them should have been instructed to go to the C-side to start using hoses to control that section, if there was no immediate engine on scene yet.
@@matthewhartman5088 Since this is a wood framed building with brick veneer, is it possible that it has a lightweight wood truss roof? If so suspected, would you commit personnel to that roof?
@@azul8811 Don’t hold your breath waiting for a response
@@azul8811 It's possible. I doubt it. Here in Jersey that style of low-rise apartment is pretty common and most of the time they are not truss. Also in Jersey buildings with truss roofing or flooring is SUPPOSED to have a placard in plain sight indicating so. But that could also be a reason why these guys didn't send anyone to the roof.
I know this is a well-funded area but well-funded or not the only thing I can see changing events is an earlier response. It's tough to knock em'. Maybe getting water on it quicker might have slowed it down but running line from hydrant just takes time. I don't know how their water mains are but on ours were practically pulling our hydrants out of the ground to get enough water. At the point they were arriving on scene I can't imagine they were in any different situation on water. I wish there was more responsibility felt by property owners. You can hate me for saying this but it's my feeling that our "let the professionals handle it" mentality results in serous loss of ground. In my rural area I wouldn't expect an engine to our property for 15-30 minutes. I try to keep a few thousand gallons and a pump ready. We've already lost one home and I definitely don't want to see that again.
I have Watch the video several times I don’t want to Monday morning quarterback, but I don’t know what happened 🤔. Aggressiveness without getting hurt goes a long way. I was disappointed in how they let it get away .
Clinton, if you were there in command like you should have been, the fire would not have got to the stage it did. You have no one to blame but yourself for this one.
Couldn’t agree more
Just fyi. The fire went out and didn’t extend past the original units well involved upon arrival. Nothing got away, it wasn’t hit it hard from the yard, it wasn’t surround and drown and certainly the chiefs did a tremendous job right from the beginning.
@@michaeldelia708 Its extended in the attic 2 units into the bravo side. It got well away from them. Perfect example of where hard from the yard would have kept the 2nd floor from breaking into the attic if they had someone on the Charlie side. Maybe there was difficulties from the start but If I was guessing I would say a proper 360 was not performed or at least 3 sides.
I live in Germany in a 120-year-old Wilhelminian style house in an attic apartment. The houses on my street are right next to each other, with no gaps between them, and are 4-5 floors high. When the roof right next to my apartment was in a massive fire, our house didn't suffer anything, and my apartment didn't even smell of smoke! The only thing that happened was that the wall to the burned-out roof became moldy from the water used to extinguish the fire. However, we were able to repair this damage without any problems. We have a very good fire protection wall. Our fire brigade also works very well and quickly, luckily only the roof was affected and the apartments underneath “only” got wet.
Great video. Thanks for putting this together for us!
Good thing the fire department got there quickly so they could watch the building burn down. Hate to miss it.
Prayers for all involved!
My heart and prayers goes out to all the families who lost their homes in the fire .. 🕯🌹🦋
I’m a survivor of a horrific fire and it is very traumatic even to this day when I hear fire trucks I panic ..
Those people don't realize that its going to be hell for many months . Also a victim of a fire . 6 months since the fire and nothings been done , insurance companies fighting over how to move forward . 12 unit condo . Insurance company said at least two years .
Ser
Bwe
I wasn't even a victim, but 2 elderly neighbors down the street died in it. This was in 1984 and I was 11. I woke up thinking our house was on fire, the smoke smell was so strong. Our alarms weren't going off though, but I was still very scared. I couldn't handle the sound of fire engines for at least 2 years. I can't imagine any child going through when it's their house on fire. The cause was a frayed electric organ cord/bad wiring.
I'm very sorry about what happened. I really hope and pray that you get the help you need!
I am one of those victims and my house is damaged and we are next apartment to fire,there is a lot damage and smoke,Thank GOD every one is safe
So sorry for your loss. Wishing you all the best at this difficult time
@@bentley4446 sure thanks for your prayers
Could u please tell me if the apartment that started fire 🔥 got thier animals out n how did it start. Please
@@franceinegelven677 No actually the animals died😢 and we are not sure how it happened
Prayers for the family and friends of the pets glad everyone is not hurt hope you all find a place to live prayers for you all ✌️🙏
I'm amazed at how slow they do their job. It took more than 2 minutes to maneuver a fire truck to the exact location. You see walking firefighters all around and only some of them are doing actual work. You cannot see this in Europe.
Kindly post a link to a fire of this magnitude in a wood framed building in Europe where the firefighters extinguish the fire from the interior of the fire building. I thank you in advance.
Agree, 6 guys on one hose? In the Netherlands we would use 3 hoses with 6 guys. 2 on the front and 1 in the back, all from 1 engine. i do not understand this aproche.
@@7112uitruk Would this be a good example of how they fight fires in the Netherlands?
ruclips.net/video/hm1mN3lKk6k/видео.html
I think firefigher in Europe doing much better job, even voluntary firefighers
Agreed. Firemen in America are slow and lazy because it’s not their home being destroyed.
What happened about putting the wet stuff on the red stuff?
The fire would go out if you did that.
Gee...what an original comment! What's next..."at least they saved the slab"
Always some cock holster saying that. How many years do you have in the fire service?
Some of the best coverage/footage I've seen in a while.
Ok the drone shots are just f'ing beautiful! Awesome job bro! That perspective from the air was just f'ing amazing! 👍👏🔥👊💯💪
It's amazing how youtube makes everyone an expert at what they are watching. A miracle, really.
Sarcasim rating of these comments is legendary. More i read harder i laugh.😜😂😂😂😂😆😆😆😆
Really sad to have all your personal things lost in a house fire, especially during the holidays. I hope everyone is safe, and healthy?
It's worse when yer psychopath daughter just walks out with all yer belongings. You don't have to have Christmas dinner with a house fire.
I hope they have tenants insurance.
I was involved in a house fire. One night in my new place I needed to put on an old tee shirt to do a project, I didn't have one. I'm fascinated by these brave men. Everyone is running out and they are running in.
@@deniseg812 sorry for your lost of personal items. I'm sure you must of been devastated. At least you still have your health, and that's most important.
Amen to that bro
Jersey Shore Fire Response
Thank You THANK YOU for drone shots . First time I've seen them used while recording a working fire . Other fire companies / units / stations , please take note !
no fireman in the rear? 15 mins go by now there is fireman but no water
Yerp bad call by cheif
They were using interior attack - usually better than exterior. There should have been a line lais to the rear though, to be used if required.
@@greenmanofkent it was required because they could have fought the fire from the outside to at least stop the progression of the fire up on the roof line where it burned through out the window into the soffit and consumed half of the roof before anything was ever done.
Prayers to these families living here
Sad seeing people lose their belongings in a fire. I will keep those who are involved in this fire in my prayers
Worse is where do you live . If you can't move in with family you end up in a crappy hotel until you can find an apartment . A month in a hotel even the cheap ones will cost you 2500 . If these are condos you will still need to make the payments One person screws up and everyone suffers. . They will be out for a long time , the water is just as bad as the fire.
My family and I lost our apartment to a fire in July of 2020
@@bradmagnuson6963 Really so how are you doing . Everyone get out safely I hope. Being an apartment I would assume you moved into another apartment and didn't have to go through the process of rebuilding . Did you end up homeless at any point? Its a horrible thing . I hope you have multiple fire extinguishers in the home now.
@@rbspider there were 7 people injured in the fire, including several firemen. My family and I got out safely. We're still homeless, but staying with other family members for the time being
@@bradmagnuson6963 Sorry to hear this . I always thought the fire department put out the fires quickly but in almost every case the places are destroyed. If not by fire it will be destroyed by the large amounts of water . One moment you are doing laundry , making the bed ,next moment you are outside with only the clothes on your back . Homeless in an instant. I hope it isn't Winter when it happened , that would multiply the issue several times. Doesn't help if you are living in a building with several families , increases the chance someone will make you homeless.
Great Job with recording this bud!
Thanks for the great footage
Great drone and video coverage!!
Great piece of work - thank you!
Supposed to but alot of short cut to save money
great coverage, thanks for sharing
I appreciate the narration you provide in the videos.
Man the drone footage is amazing brother! Sad fire 2 weeks before Christmas. Hopefully nobody got hurt. Possessions can be rebought you’re life can’t. These guys did a good job people are knocking them but they had water on the fire in the first minute in this video you see a crew inside the structure.
Great coverage 👏
Attic fires are literally hellacious and fast moving. Better housing structure codes have made a difference. Of course, search and rescue is a priority
Seeing this makes me grateful MY apartment building is not on fire. What a nightmare this must've been. You can be all kinds of careful in your own home, but you can't do a thing about what your neighbors are up to.
I know what you mean. When I was in Newport News, Virginia, about to retire from the Navy, I rented a ground floor apartment. My particular apartment building was in the news more than once. There was a fire in the apartment at the end of the building just one door over from mine, and two apartments over in the opposite direction, there was a murder/suicide involving fire. Two doors down further, a kid drove the family car straight into the living room. I was lucky that I haven't lost anything. Needless to say, I don't live there anymore.
@@superboats2 That's a horror story! Your experiences in that complex would be enough to give a sensitive person PTSD.
@@samuelstoner5651 It's a good thing that I'm not an over sensitive person, then. LOL I'm retired Navy and I have been to many places, done many things the "average Joe" would never get to do in his entire life. That kind of thing sort of desensitizes a person. LOL
Nice to hear Positive encouragement from Command.
Nice stop. Very good command of the fire ground.
Great photography, by the way!! Great Job Brother!!
Wow! Great job hero's!❤️
Awesome video coverage👌
The thing most interesting to me is how the fire seemed to be confined to that one section. I guess the building's original construction was responsible.
Is there a reason is took so long for someone to take a line around back? This was so frustrating to watch.
Crazy job, nice quick arrival. Good footage.
Outstanding video and drone footage of this fire!
I lived in a complex just like this in Jersey. Scary to see what could happen.
Great coverage of the entire scene brother. My helmets off to you for a great job 👍👍👍
The house look amazing got ruined so sad
Great job? Why didn't recon direct units to C side initially? Initial incident command didn't prioritize the scene and only paid attention to A. Recon had eyes on C. What happened with his observation? Someone dropped the ball in the initial situation that cost valuable time as things quickly got out of hand. Do your companies do any coordinated training to know location of hydrants, pressure requirements, building materials? Not to mention coordinated training to more effectively use personnel and equipment ON SCENE. Frankly after viewing this situation it looked like everyone was unprepared to fight this fire OR there wasn't enough water and pressure supply for all the equipment on scene. Seems the taxpayers of this locale should be asking a lot of questions from their fire department and not accepting the way things are. The community would be safer going forward.
@@jerrykomorech4037 I was complimenting the videographer not the Fire Department. I agree they were wasting resources and absolutely whoever if anyone was in charge lacks leadership capabilities!
If, there`s a British Firefighter watching this video, it would be interesting to find out what you think of the techniques used between the two. Looking at video from both sides of the Pond, the U.S. teams look painfully slow.
You aint kidding. As a uk fire fighter i would have been sacked if i let a fire get out of control like these guys. One thing i notice American firemen DO NOT RUSH.
@@casanjay1 My Brother served as a firefighter till his retirement and he too would have been sacked long before letting any fire get out of control as they do. Its seems to be standard practice to do that, are they looking at extra overtime and there seems to be sozens of them all standing around watching fires burn out of control. You`re correct too in that they so not rush but, i`ll bet you that if the fire chiefs house was on fire, it`d be out before it took hold. I`ve also noticed how many kit up after they get there, is id not practice in Britain to gear up on the way there, saving vital minutes ?
@@andyhughes5885 you are correct. fire fighters in the uk are dressed and ready with breathing app. all ready on when arriving at the incident . Water is usually on the fire in about 3 to 5 minutes and water connected to nearest hydrant asp. if no hydrant is available a tanker would be on way or second appliance.
@@casanjay1 YES !
@@andyhughes5885 looking at the size of some of the firemen, they would not be able to get into the UK service. i had to loose a few pounds before i got accepted.
Godspeed to survivors and to all F/F, who sacrifice so much! God be with you all!
There seemed to be a lot of firemen walking when arriving at the rear of the building, I saw no sense of urgency, a faster reaction would have helped fight this fire.
Yummy donuts 🍩🍩🍩🍩☕☕and warm firetruck... 🚒🚒. No way not till im.done eating!!
Bit Pathetic in my opinion as a Fire man in Greater Manchester service 🤔Bill Vallantine
I believe those firefighters were considered the RIC team, which is essentially held in reserve to act as back up if a firefighter is injured or trapped in the building. but seemed an odd placement on the C side, if they needed to get to a firefighter calling mayday they would have had to go through the fire.
@@billvalentine4207Fire man? In your dreams. If you are an example of the literacy of a GMFRS firefighter then they would really be in trouble but, fortunately, your just a wannabe.
is it me, or does it seem like none of the fire fighters seem to be in any kind of hurry.
Amazing how it was spreading! Firefighters Lives 💙!
Should have got an engine in the rear and while pull them out so quick
Shoutout to the nozzle man. He had his hands full, but he fought his ass off.
Agreed.
Greate footage thank you
Awesome video!
Looking at the aerial views post-knockdown, I am surprised to see the effectiveness of the partition firewalls. Based on the original smoke venting all along the roofline, I figured a number of units would be lost, but this was well controlled.
I know what you mean: maintenance and building contractors will have a handful
And that's why we have building codes requiring firewalls.
Yes well controlled by the fire walls in the building. What were the firemen doing were they having water issues or what????
did they get the command post set up ok?? what about the coffee table with all the snacks and stuff??
Thanks for the Video. Very professional enjoyed it.
Gordon, Halifax, UK
Great Footage! But Sad to see families displaced.
Hate to say this as retired ff these guys need more serious training way to long to get ladders up water on fire
You are right on the mark. I was a Volunteer FF, Captain for 35 years. We were trained to have water on the Blaze within 4 minutes of arrival. This is a sorry scene.
Ain't that the truth.
That was a looong time to get water on the main body of fire in the rear 😳
Over 16 min in and the tower ladder parked in front hasn’t been used …. Zero water 🤷🏼♂️
Competent fire officers wouldn’t flow water from a tower into a structure with hose teams inside!! What video did you morons watch? Please go back to reading Fire Rescue magazines and bragging about how awesome you are on social media…it suits you guys well. Next time look in the mirror and remember you’re supposed to be a “brother” firefighter
nothing quite like 10 fire fighters standing there watching a building burn down, not a single hose in any of their hands.
If they couldn’t do any better than this then it’s time to disband the fire department and let the insurance rates go up.
@Mathias65 - That's what it looked like, I agree, but for the most part, it was an interior attack (in spite of the horn blasts). One thing you don't do when firefighting is mount an exterior attack while there are still FF's inside - that's asking for trouble. However, they should have had laid at least one line to the back, ready to go in case a building evacuation was ordered.
A RIT (Rapid Intervention Team) group is usually on stand by. They’re job is to stand by and await orders to go in for a rescue. They do not hold a hose in their hands. They just stand around and listen closely to radio transmissions. My guess is those standing there are part of a RIT team or are EMS
@@TheDiscovery978 I seriously doubt this group knew what a RIT was.
@@eddielane9569 Who would be carrying a Stokes basket with gear if not a RIT team?
Dude this is incredible
That entire building was doomed with the fire in the attic like that. You can tell the attic is one big void and doesn't have the partition walls. Extremely dangerous. Seeing smoke come out of all of the roof like that was disheartening to say the least. It's going to take a long time to overhaul. They have to go into every top floor unit and pull ceiling. That's going to take a long ass time
Well done. An aid to this battle is that the fire self ventilated or it might have spread faster through the attic
Lakewood has had a big increase in the number of fires over the last few years. Seems to be a serious fire every couple weeks
A lot cheaper than paying for demolition to put up new buildings
We thought you covered the fire with no problem. Thank you
GREAT JOB RHONDA FROM CANADA
That sucks. Those poor people, I feel bad for them. Nice capture and drone work.
I am disgusted and angry and I would sue the department and the command. No one gives a shit about tenants. Even though we vote we're not paying property taxes or whatever. Inept lousy fire department 🚒
Yep, the video isn't bad, if you don't listen to the audio as they are not synced at all. Just proves that amateur production can ruin professional video!!
Engine company in the rear would have helped greatly.
reminds me of the apartment complex here that everyone calls spark jefferson their units have no fire breaks and any working fire call there gets auto dispatched as a 2nd alarm and they get alot of fires like in the last 14 years they have had 10 major building leveling fires and for a while it was every year they had those
Thank You @Jersey Shore Fire Response.. 👍🏼 I shared this, but I don't have FB. or the other. I shared by emails.
Don’t understand why roof was never vented. Three blast to move to defensive attack. Vent roof removes heat so you can go in and put fire out. TRAINING is what is needed.
Yea I do not like to be this guy but I wonder if these folks have ever been introduced to truck work. Once fire gets into the attic of these buildings, it has already accomplished something we cannot without being on that roof.
I get what you're saying, but you vent over the fire and the fire was self vented. I don't know why they didn't have a line in the back or why they pulled them out at the start of the video.
@@lom3ardo you're not wrong. Personally, on this type of construction I always liked to get at least some sort of observation set up ahead of the fire as we've seen the fire stops in these aren't always the best...or even there lol.
Wow. The more I watch the more you're right. 16 minutes into the video and still nobody on the roof of the 2 side with smoke pushing🤦♂️
@@lom3ardo You vent over the fire to get heat through the roof and out of the building, but if there's excess heat a second vent may allow the additional heat (and smoke) to exit through the roof instead of traveling the length of the building. Establishing a second flow path for hot gasses with a second vent, of course, is a gamble.
Makes it soo much sadder around holidays. God bless 🙌
to all the VFD members who responded that day thank you
Took them SO long to bring Tower ladders in the rear....🙈
And they didn't even use them.
@@bobishere6527 perfect amount of stall
I don’t understand why it takes the fire department forever to get started putting the fire out. Do you see it burning the building up forever before they even get to it? What are they waiting on? I don’t understand that.
They go into the building looking for people first. After it’s clear they can start using water. If they spray water while firefighters are inside they’ll get burned from the hot water.
Go volunteer one day at the stations and you will find out 😉
@@pats9414 Please don"t speak, if you have no idea what you are talking about.
Amazing footage and a well put together video! New follower for sure
WOW Darn good Job to ALL fire-Rescue Personal! From a Brother Volunteer out of Frederick County, Maryland
Here in England our firefighters start by pouring gallons of water on the flames not walking up and down the street hoping it will go out on its own like your firefighters appear to be doing.
Correct this is Pathetic firefighting no idea. I Know 6yrs in UK MANCHESTER Fire Service.1964
Do they check for people trapped inside before or after they drown them with water ?
I'm still watching it and I cannot believe how that fire was allowed to travel. I'm flabbergasted. They're going to lose that whole strip because of bad training?
Fire under control?? Doesn't look under control to me. I know I'm not a fireman and don't know the ins and out but in my mind when they pulled up they should have had water on that fire within 4 minutes if they knew that everybody was out.
@@rosejohnson9957 It’s a wood framed building once the fire has entered the loft / roof space / game over .
@@rub1tan679 yup, live across the street lol. They got the front downstairs under control but they never got a truck on the C or back side so that part still was on fire, idk what the firemen were doing still while this was going on, then from the back wall it traveled up, once it melted the roof and opened a hole. Game over. And all that smoke traveled thru the whole building so all those other apartments are black, literally black. Fucked up part, no fire alarm were heard. Just glass breaking.
Why do you say bad training? On this type of fire you need 100 firefighters in 20 minutes. You need gangs in all buildings and in each apartments to open walls and ceilings and of course many men on the roof of each building. The firefighters will do what the chiefs ask them to do. And here the Chiefs are doing nothing. So no body work. How do you want to stop the fire with only 3 teams after 15 minutes of fighting. The sad reality of today for many fire departments.
@@gillesrenaud6926 100 Firefighters? No. Well trained, well commanded Firefighters could have knocked this down much quicker- with much less damage to the property using 2-3 engines and maybe one truck (the truck company using ground ladders to start trenching & ventilating the attic.
Firewalls work, I'm glad to know our commendations worked!!
Watching it to the end, when all is said and done, it was a woefully slow and inadequate response
thank you for putting this out great job
I have seen quite a few fire fighting videos from Russia, and they have a very different approach there - they attack the fire head on where the major flames are. They don't spend time analyzing the whole scene, they just go ahead and pour water straight onto the the root of the fire where the biggest flames are, and it usually works very well.
You forgot to mention the famous US chain saws that are brought in right after arrival.
"According to the International Association of Fire and Rescue Services, Russia in general has one of the highest fire death rates of any country in the world-6.4 deaths per 100 fires, compared to 0.2 deaths per 100 fires in the United States and Great Britain."
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@@user-ki7cr6vl8e That's the problem. Their attack could be costing lives of people trapped in a burning structure.
@@kimberlysevastyanenko3798 And those of the firefighters thus why their firefighter death rate is like 3.25 per 100,000 per year vs 0.73 in the US, 0.32 in the UK, and 0.25 in Germany. Rushing without assessing the hazards is a great way to find yourself among the victims when the structure collapses on you as you didn't asses the risks.
Great job fellas
Very very nice job. Who else thought that whole bldg was going up !??!???!
Three blast for an airhorn means everybody get out of the building. In case people didn’t know. He turns into an exterior attack. Which pretty much means surround and drown. That must be an older building. Usually you have fire stops with a one hour firewall to keep it from spreading
There's fire walls in older complexes as well. Problem is usually when remodeled they punch through it to run utilities especially in the roof/attic which allows for easy fire spread in a common roof like this.
I have to agree with Ben. I worked communications and electric and have seen many times contractors cut through and do not reseal using fire stop clay/putty. Sometimes even cut man holes from one section to another and not repair just leave open.
Ben you are 100% correct. I grew up in a complex like this, had my first job in the complex cutting grass in the summers. As I worked my way up over the years I ended up doing facility maintenance and construction work for the complex. You described perfectly one of the jobs we carried out for about three years. We were in the attic spaces drilling multiple holes (approx 6 holes in a horizontal row, 3” in diameter) through the separation walls to run new electrical supply cables to each unit.
They were filled in after the wire was run but certainly not to today’s standards for fire blocking.
Those cables ran the length of the entire building so they typically spanned the tops of eight units.
The worst part about it, by then I was also a member of the FD along with two other employees. We were all on the same engine company.
When voicing concerns about the process and potential for fire spread it all just fell on deaf ears at the management levels. There were over 1200 units in the complex all with holes in the fire separations. The inspection process at that time went no further than ensuring the breaker panels were correctly laid out, installed, and had the appropriate fire prevention measures in place.
Three blasts of the horn.there gonna hit it hard from the yard.
Why are they evacuating the building?
There aren’t many things more entertaining than “keyboard” firefighters…..
Not true, watching these “Benny Hill” firefighters are even more entertaining.
Says a JERK in a nice safe house! No one gives a shit about tenants. Kiss my ass
@@bryanphillips6666 ,If you have issues how tenants are treated in your country, don’t take it out on me. I just call out poor performance if I see it.
Drew, you obvisiouly lead a boring life, thanks for sharing.
Well, "keyboard" firefighters could have done a better job without the training and that's just sad. Thing is more and more video's show firefighters with their finger up their ass not doing shit. The peanut gallery (non fighters) will always point out stuff that doesn't look right. You guys, the firefighters that comment get all butt hurt you all were challenged instead of doing some teaching as to why things are done certain ways. Swallow your fucking pride for awhile and explain things. You guys will get more respect from the peanut gallery if you do that. In the end by I fell pure luck, they contained it namely to the center unit. I really thought the whole thing would go up. So yeah, in a sense they got the job done. Just in a very sloppy way.
Kind of reminds me when our university caught fire.....4th floor was gone and the rest was severe water and smoke damage......
Less than a hour and under control, nice job!!.
I hope you are thanking the building cause the firemen dropped the ball on this one, they should of been on the side with the most fire who ever sized up this fire should be fired
No hydrants and mutual aid. For firefighters it's like one leg and your hands are tied and your in a boxing ring
Prayers that everyone is safe firefighters be safe please and that no one or animals were hurt. 🙏🙏
Can't find anything saying animals were hurt or died, and the same goes for humans. I'm hoping that both avoided any type of casualties, though being displaced this time of year is hard.
Praying that no people or animals were injured.
These guys did a great job containing it to one section.
Id tell ya listening to the audio really makes me think why command was voted in smdh so many thing wrong here
Nice video coverage, you did a good job. Give me a hose line and I would stand in the back and hit what I could while the others figured out what to do.
They had water on the fires hence the white smoke, they also had to evacuate all the apartments. There was smoke traveling through all the roof vents etc…possibly through the apartment themselves. Looks like there is separate apartments in each side, they don’t have access to front and rear exits like a townhouse. They had 2-3 engine/trucks initially working on one side, you could see their lines of water busting up through the roofs The another department was called in for the backside apartments. They worried about life first, buildings second.
I used to live in these apartments when I was in 1st to 4th grade (1970's).
In a structure that long, I wonder why there are no fire separations dividing it at least into six sections instead of leaving the attic open to allow the loss of the entire structure.
There are, and in this case they worked