I fully respect the police and support them! I just think these encounters are funny they sometimes get a bit heated when it doesn’t have to be, don’t get me wrong I moved exactly when he told me to and did everything he said, I’ve got no issue just be respectful no need to threaten arrest over me working. When he was aware of what I was doing. Thanks yall for the support!
On the other hand, someday your mouth will be eating dirt while chrome bracelets are going on your wrists. Your mouth is moving faster than your brain. You have no business being on an active fireground regardless of your ego.
Any word on the cause? I live in Leisure Village and it seems there are quite a lot of fires in this development. Old structures, old wiring, senior residents etc. It sucks when you share a building with other people and just hope none of them have an incident because it destroys the entire building. You may have missed the one we had on Nov. 12th, around 2am on Dorchester. Partially destroyed building very close to me!
His right to film does not supersede the requirement to follow official instructions. And it doesn't matter if the police officer is right or wrong. The filmer is not an emergency responder and should act accordingly at all times.
Glad that everyone was able to get out in time and that there were no injuries to anyone related to this incident. You can hear the wind faning the flames. Thank you to all firefighters everywhere for protecting the citizens of your coverage area.
I am a Firefighter and I respect my fellow police brothers but that was a little excessive on The PD you were a good distance from the house and you wouldn’t have been a problem on my fire scene keep doing what you do bud
Two things. First: Great work on the stick. Ladder company knocked down a ton of fire. Second....I've been watching a bunch of these Jersey Shore fire videos lately.....Lakewood Truck 5 must be one the darn busiest (working structure fire) companies in the state!!! Holy cow....they're getting their money's worth out of that truck!!! Good videos all....keep 'em comin!!
These were my neighbors. They both got out with their dog and only the clothes on their back! It's tragic...I was right there the man filming was in the right and did wrong! These homes are so ola and have no fire walls! I jave a neighbor who is 90 all shehas to do is leave a pan on the stove and "Poof" all our homes in my row will burn to the ground!!! It's not safe here!!
You’re totally wrong. Are you a cop? A firefighter? That building was a total loss, which means the other responding units were going to work on the surrounding buildings to save them from the spreading fire. That cop was totally in the right.
@alexkitner5356, you are wrong sir. And if you had listened to your mother years ago and not gone swimming with pruned fingers, you would still be alive today.
@@mattiverson4654 yes he did and that’s why I moved exactly when he told me the problem isn’t that. It’s the fact that he threatened to arrest me for obstruction when I clearly wasn’t obstructing any operations or hindering firefighter operations in any extent, and the fact that he wouldn’t leave me alone almost caused injury to others people because he couldn’t properly secure the fire scene
1- the reason the ladder wasn't in operation right away is because they did not have a water supply for it. They were already using their water supply for the hand line. 2- The rule with the police is that it's only considered "safe" when the scene is complete out of sight
@@ffjsb yeah I’m pretty new to this. I’m a probationer RUclips firefighter. But I haven’t seen a department start firefighting operations with an elevated stream. We pull hand lines until the aerial is in place and ready to flow water. I’m just guessing an engine arrived on scene first then the ladder, even if the ladder arrived first we still pull hand lines, while the operator positioning the ladder.
I'm really not being critical of the firefighters because that residence was gone when they arrived, but I do have a question regarding the lack of water supply. As a former firefighter in a township with very few hydrants, we learned to draft from wherever we could find water. The first few shots of the neighborhood showed a big lake in the middle of everything, hence the name. Why not draft from it, that's kind of what the hard suction is for. If there is such a water shortage in that community, put a few dry hydrants along the lake.
Exactly! I lived in a very rural area, and we had them in a small river and fill up points for the trucks at every crossing. Worked great when the neighbors house burned. They pumped straight from the river using the dry hydrants and saved the majority of the house
Sorry I’m not a police officer but a firefighter. He was a little brash but if he is the only patrolman on the seen at the moment he has a 500ft radius to make safe. There is a shit load of things going on at once and individuals are pumped full of adrenaline. Firefighters are consumed with the task at hand and aren’t focused on the on lookers. Just my thoughts.
Ya totally agree but I explained who I was and what I was doing, while I was moving. He wanted me to actually run in the other direction, after he told me to move back I did then he came up 3 times telling me to move more to the point where I couldn’t see the house. I get it but what I can’t accept is him trying to make a point with me almost got others hurt because he wasn’t paying attention
In my judgement the guy filming was probably 300 ft away by the lake where no ops were taking place. Its splitting hairs for at exact 500ft distance to be required. Some common sense needs to be applied. Was the person in danger from the fire? Was the person in the way of fire fighters or close to their equipment? Those are the issues that matter.
@@minerran The way I see it, if the cop had let the photo guy get closer, then everyone else would want to get closer, then he would want to get closer and before you know it it's bedlam and everyone is in everyone else's way.
If Lakewood wants to function as an independent, paid municipal department they need to hire a lot more guys. 3 engines and 2 ladder trucks with skeleton staffing covering the whole township ain't cuttin' it...even as an initial response prior to mutual aid from the surrounding Ocean and Monmouth County companies. Their area is chock full of retirement communities, nursing homes, old commercial, new residential, and a whole lot of off-the-books addresses being turned into schools and dormitories. Good job with a bad scenario on this one; I don't think Leisure Village was built with fire safety in mind back in the day.
@@joe_mosc Back in the 70s, when I was little, Lakewood had 4 strong volunteer companies with one paid guy that rode around in a mini pumper handling alarms, small brush fires, and whatever else didn't need a general alarm from the whole township. I grew up in Pt. Pleasant, 2 towns away. My uncle was a member of, I think, Co. 3. I forget their name. I don't think they have any volunteers anymore. IMHO, "what they accomplish" is a polite way of saying "they're damn lucky they haven't killed anybody yet." If they have a mayday or have somebody go down early on in a fire they're screwed.The rapid intervention/FAST team is always coming from another town. Listening to the audio for a bunch of their fires, I don't think they even establish their "2-out." The guys they have are good at what they do; there just isn't enough of them.
@@ffjsb I can 1000% confirm this. EVERYTHING in the state is a complete clusterfuck and pain in the ass!! Absolutely nothing operates as it should there.
As a former fighter fighter, I am going to make a camera and monitor for the guys working the ladder at the bottom. So they can see what is going on. I personally never seen on on a fire truck other then maybe an ARFF truck. Not saying he/she did anything wrong. I am up in the air about smooth bore nozzles. I think an adjustable nozzle might have been a better option. And sure I will take feed back on the last comment.
No they make them . They even have thermal cameras on the tip . If you got the money they will make it for you . They have ladders that you can fully operate with basically an IPAD . Including the pump .
Officer had a ego trip he wanted everyone to know he was in charge ! He needs more training on how to deescalate and not escalate a situation Go back to Human Resources and take a eight hour class and he needs a reprimand note in his employee file! SMH
@@debrodgers6276 Citation needed... seeing that the guy who was making the video literally did move back when told, and that (especially when they ARE complying) that rudeness isn't needed.
As a firefighter I am so thankful when PD shows up. Respect what he is asking and do it, don't argue and claim your rights. There are actual people attacking that fire internally and externally. There is no telling what your presents will cause whether you are 20ft away or 100ft.
My presence will not affect operations at all… I do respect cops on the daily as my friends are some, I’ve also showed this video to them and they said this cop was most likely new on the job and fired up, treating me this way is no way to gain respect either just remember that.
You got to be joking. 😂 From where he was standing he wasn’t interfering with firefighting operations with so ever. He needs to be worried about traffic control and keep people from running over the hoses.
You have every right to record in public and NOBODY can ask you to stop or move. You are responsible for for your own safety. You have NO EXPECTATIONS OF PRIVACY IN PUBLIC. 1st amendment of the constitution of the UNITED STATES. Stand up for your rights or risk LOSING THEM. By the way, I’m a veteran and will argue every time for what’s right. That cop just opened himself and his department to a lawsuit. Civil rights attorneys are always looking for an easy buck.
Often wonder why they shoot a stream of water instead of a wider spread. Seems to me a wider spread could cover more area to knock down the flames. Just a thought.
A few reasons, depending on the situation. Main reason is a wider stream doesn't have as far of a reach. Straight stream goes a lot further and has more power. In a defensive operation like this, a straight stream can actually be used to punch holes in the roof to get at more of the fire. Wider streams also generate a lot of air flow. In this situation, not much of a concern. In an interior operation, the airflow from a fog stream disrupts the thermal balance and flow path in undesirable ways. It creates enough air flow that you can ventilate the smoke out of a room by spraying a wide fog pattern out the window; the airflow draw the smoke right out.
@@fullmetal2405 Add to that less focused stream wil evaporate before the water has a chance to follow through the fire and cool down the fuel that is burning ^^
Do as you’re told, and obey a lawful order. The cop’s job to keep people safe, is a hell of a lot more important, than a RUclipsr getting video for likes and subscribers.
I’m a full-time LEO and a volunteer fire chief; that officer was way out of line. For him to order you back, he needs to establish a crime scene first. You were far enough back, I don’t believe that you posed a danger of destroying evidence, and he could have left you in place. His attitude was unprofessional, and he needs some reprimand. You have a first amendment protection to film the scene, no different than any other media outlet.
For the idiots giving the cop shit: the first interaction that officer had with that civilian was edited out. He was being as nice as physically possible. It wasn’t until the cameraman continued to push that the officer, still respectfully, told him to move and even explained to him why. You people have zero idea what you’re talking about. It is his job and obligation to keep that area clear so the firefighters can do their job. Try to think outside the box. It’s not just the one house that’s currently burning, it’s the houses next to it that are at very high risk as well. So the perimeter needs to reflect that expansion of work. I know this because I’m a firefighter. Not to mention that wind was very strong. That could have spread the fire even more and made things go from bad to worse. Don’t comment stupid shit if you’ve never worked a structure fire.
The first time he asked me to move. I started moving. He didn’t like the way I was moving. How many fire scenes have I been on I know where I am and what I’m doing, he was to worried about making me back up far enough to not be able to see the house, he almost let two older people walk back into their burning home.. his job is to make sure everyone safe. He knew that I was safe and he knew what I was doing because he told me I know what you’re doing but. So that tells me he wasted more time then he needed to with me which resulted in him not being able to do his job and protect the citizens.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse I did not quote you, but rather the Clem guy who is giving you crap about editing stuff out. I’m fast approaching 20 years as a firefighter and do not have the slightest problem with what you were doing. You were not interfering in the slightest and the cop was acting way out of line.
*first interaction that officer had with that civilian was edited out* Got any evidence? Besides "I just made it up, and think that asserting it true makes it true" level logic?
@Cairns-880 more modern construction would extend the firewall between units all the way to the roof. Thus preventing the middle unit from quickly involving the adjoined occupancies. Based on the fire venting out the end gables, I am guessing no partitioning.
4.03 a fire-fighter call for a Medic I've got one..hope they survived ok...and on first arrival you can clearly hear dog barking I hope they weren't in that house ...the Cop was overzealous, you weren't endangering yourself and you have the right to record...very quick fire
@@MontcoBucksIncidentPageMBIP it was a fire scene and the officers were there to block the road and to direct traffic and he wasn’t being rude when a fire broke out the police have to respond and be on scene
While I don’t agree with how the officer conducted himself I do understand why. A lot of dangers that a civilian might not be aware of can happen and I’ve seen it. 3 risks this officer was probably worried about from where you were standing 1. Possible Gas Line Rupture. 2. If the wind shifts he gave you enough distance to have a chance. Or 3 and more likely was to get you out of the way of the aerial line. That line packs enough force to penetrate solid concrete and if you are too close you could get hit by either the water spray or debris. But no matter what that cop could have voiced it a little better and explain why he wanted you to get farther away.
Dude, the cop is right, if the wind shifts your ass would have been in trouble. Get a better camera that can zoom, you should not be anywhere near that.
I’ve been to enough fire scenes to no what’s to close. I’m very aware of the wind this day and it was steady. Also I had no issue moving back, he just kept moving me back till he knew I had no shot of the house. When filming a video for training you need to see what’s actually happening and sometimes zoomed in from far away doesn’t show the same stuff. I’m also cool with the chief and many ffs here they all know what I’m doing.
Other than San Francisco it seems that if there are hydrants the department would rather deploy five hundred feet of hose than draft from water at the scene.
I get it and I was chill, he had a bone to pick for whatever reason probably his first fire scene and was stressed out. Direct me to arrest me for obstruction after I already complied with his orders to move back it just a little ridiculous in my eyes.
@@jerseyshorefireresponseit’s happened to me too at a couple of fire scenes I’ve been told to back away or I’d be arrested the one time a Chief that’s a personal friend of mine stuck up for me
The wind was bad, this one got bad fast and I’m assuming it was reported very late? Is it rural? I’m wondering why it was so involved before FD was on-site, there was nothing much they could do about saving the house, but kudos for controlling it . Godspeed FD.
Looking at the comments about the officer and wondering if anyone put any thought into why he was moving him back. The person putting water on the dwelling with the aerial stream is concentrating on where to place the water and doesn't need to worry about if some lookylou is standing in the area where the stream might fall. The officer was looking out for this young man's well-being. At first glance it seemed as if the officer was being a little heavy handed, but he had to expedite his removal from harms way. If our young photographer was hit with that water stream, he would be wishing that officer moved him back. I've been on both sides of the water stream, so I have first hand experience of the concerns.
Yes I’m very aware of FF operations & where I need to stand to be safe out of a collapse zone or heat zone. Also have a radio to hear exactly everything the fire fighters are doing, I knew the master stream was going to be working soon. The cop actually has no clue as they don’t listen to fire band. He was doing his job but coulda been a little understanding with me to what I was doing and focus on the scene safety but he wanted to really make a point and they almost got two people really hurt.
@@Incindio13, and you know for certain if that stream is going to hit him or not. What if that stream dislodges a piece from that dwelling and kicks it in his direction. Like I said to that other douche, STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.
Go to your local newspaper and TV Stations. Tell them you video FD incidents. They will give you a press pass if you share your videos with them. The other thing is order yourself a reflective jacket with FD VIDEO CREW on the back and front. If you look like you're with the FD most of the time they just ignore you.
Nice work with the elevated master stream! I wish we could’ve seen the other side, but I certainly wouldn’t want you getting arrested! 😆 Great video in spite of the cop.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse ha ha, he was a big over aggressive, I though. But he doesn’t seem to know you, that you know how to video and stay out of the way and remain safe. Keep up the nice work up there!
Sorry, there's no way that you're right to argue with him {4:38}, which you were. I'd say "Sorry, sir.", turn and walk away till he's happy. We have zoom lenses for a reason.
Pushing me back in my face, making up lies that I’m obstructing, pushing me back to a spot he knew I couldn’t film from, no he’s just being rude to prove a point and I’m going to stick up for myself cause I know how close is to close and what’s in the way. So I’m not going to let some hot head cop hinder my filming operation.
Can't believe how long it takes New Jersey firefighters to get moving and water on the fires, after on-scene, everyone I've seen them working it takes forever. Got the ladder gun working, but where are the hand lines, not a single one in use? The cop was a bit of a authoritarian jerk too.
This is what I have recorded why are you yelling , video clearly shows me moving backwards he says “turn around run” and no I wasn’t going to do that. Why are you yelling you kinda sound like him.
for everyone complaining about the cop, notice how the video was edited so as to not show the whole interaction. why was that part taken out? could it be this guy making the video was in the wrong? and edited this to make himself;f look like a victim? SHOW US THE UNEDITED VIDEO!!!!
Cop was out of line from the start. There was absolutely no reason to need people to stand that far back. Given how often this kind of thing happens to this creator, my guess is the local FD's are tired of being lambasted for their stupid operations, and instead of fixing themselves, they want to keep media away. The cop didn't seem to give 2 shits about the other bystanders until AFTER they were pointed out by the cameraman and then realized he was caught in his bullshit. He was singling out the media and it was painfully obvious regardless of edits.
@@brucegordon4992 the camera doesn't move and one sec he's fine and the next he's being told to move. There was no reason to ask him to move from where he was.
I’d agree, but thinking maybe cop was just doing his job to get people back and then got caught up with me cause I didn’t turn around and move like directed some cops don’t like a little pushback to their orders. As I was walking backwards filming still cause my job is to record the fire scene.
Now that is a great crazy starting this video and saying see smoke but no visible flames and the minute the camera looks up and there is a bunch of flames what is going on here😮
I live in Utah and i help my friend out who works for local media here and there are times i go to fire scenes to get pics/ videos for him to use and if there isn't any tape up i go as far as i can on the opposite side of the fire scene so I'm not in the way of the hose or other things. And i come across cops that are rude so i outsmart them and go around the block to get better pics and video where there isn't any cops lol.
He was a little rude but not a big deal. I’ve seen other cops handle it better & more professional but maybe he was super stressed in that situation. I’ve also seen others handle it worse, he cooled off after and didn’t say anything else.
City governments probably advise their police to engage in such practices because they fear some sue-happy fire victim or their families will find fault with the public perception of the way their Fire Department is fighting a fire, especially with any signs of confusion, or a lack of a sense of Urgency, on the part of the firefighters. It's very difficult to watch your neighbor's house go up in flames, only to see your house start smoldering and eventually catch fire as well, twenty minutes later, while the firemen saunter around your neighbor's house, while seemingly ignoring yours! Just sayin'!
Proof most people can't handle positions of authority which is 85% if not more percent of police. Notice he pretends he's concerned for your safety and the scene. But his ultimate wish is for you to do something so he can enforces his God power to arrest you. They can't handle positions of authority it becomes abusive then turns into a God complex. Notice how excited an emotional the more his adrenaline an stress level rose? That was with people just standing watching a fire. could you imagine how that cop would be if he'd have to pull his weapon in a situation? I truly believe bad things would happen.
The Napoleon complex, overly aggressive or domineering social behavior. The cop was blaming you for his inability to control his emotions. Everyone has a job to do. That said you should have a conversation with him as you are going to be covering other fire scenes. If you cannot resolve this with him, speak to his supervisor or the chief of police and show them this video.
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I fully respect the police and support them! I just think these encounters are funny they sometimes get a bit heated when it doesn’t have to be, don’t get me wrong I moved exactly when he told me to and did everything he said, I’ve got no issue just be respectful no need to threaten arrest over me working. When he was aware of what I was doing. Thanks yall for the support!
You did nothing wrong. I support our police too but it has to be said.That cop was being an asshole for no reason.
On the other hand, someday your mouth will be eating dirt while chrome bracelets are going on your wrists. Your mouth is moving faster than your brain. You have no business being on an active fireground regardless of your ego.
@@rdbimages ^^^^^ found the youtube hardo^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Any word on the cause? I live in Leisure Village and it seems there are quite a lot of fires in this development. Old structures, old wiring, senior residents etc. It sucks when you share a building with other people and just hope none of them have an incident because it destroys the entire building. You may have missed the one we had on Nov. 12th, around 2am on Dorchester. Partially destroyed building very close to me!
His job is to secure the scene, you have a right to film, but doesn't say from where or how close, therefore the police officer was doing his job!
He has all the right to film,as long as he doesn't get in the way of fire personnel, or in dangers himself
His right to film does not supersede the requirement to follow official instructions. And it doesn't matter if the police officer is right or wrong. The filmer is not an emergency responder and should act accordingly at all times.
Cops... they have to insert their "authority" even when it's not needed. I guess it massages their egos. Useless creeps!
Glad that everyone was able to get out in time and that there were no injuries to anyone related to this incident.
You can hear the wind faning the flames.
Thank you to all firefighters everywhere for protecting the citizens of your coverage area.
Firefighters in our area appreciate video taken of their work to help critique their tactics.
I am a Firefighter and I respect my fellow police brothers but that was a little excessive on The PD you were a good distance from the house and you wouldn’t have been a problem on my fire scene keep doing what you do bud
Wow, you're a firefighter?
Some PD officers loves to show their authority.
@@WikedYahoo
Now that’s a smart ass remark.
Two things. First: Great work on the stick. Ladder company knocked down a ton of fire. Second....I've been watching a bunch of these Jersey Shore fire videos lately.....Lakewood Truck 5 must be one the darn busiest (working structure fire) companies in the state!!! Holy cow....they're getting their money's worth out of that truck!!! Good videos all....keep 'em comin!!
When he said "no visible flames at this point" what exactly was he looking at?
That's exactly what I thought as well.
Man, that was ripping when you got there. Plus the wind fanning it....oh my, I feel for the residents.
Hearing the ice cream truck getting on scene. 😂
Yeah, not the time ice cream man
@@RSGCProductionsit will be when they get through!!
These were my neighbors. They both got out with their dog and only the clothes on their back! It's tragic...I was right there the man filming was in the right and did wrong! These homes are so ola and have no fire walls! I jave a neighbor who is 90 all shehas to do is leave a pan on the stove and "Poof" all our homes in my row will burn to the ground!!! It's not safe here!!
Cop was totally in the wrong, you werent anywhere that could possibly been considered as dangerous or obstructing.
You’re totally wrong. Are you a cop? A firefighter? That building was a total loss, which means the other responding units were going to work on the surrounding buildings to save them from the spreading fire. That cop was totally in the right.
Listen I moved when he told me, after he kept telling me to move just to mess with me then threaten to arrest me. That’s just ridiculous.
Their cop had every right to ask you to move back when are you going to learn your lesson and just stay back@@jerseyshorefireresponse
@alexkitner5356, you are wrong sir. And if you had listened to your mother years ago and not gone swimming with pruned fingers, you would still be alive today.
@@mattiverson4654 yes he did and that’s why I moved exactly when he told me the problem isn’t that. It’s the fact that he threatened to arrest me for obstruction when I clearly wasn’t obstructing any operations or hindering firefighter operations in any extent, and the fact that he wouldn’t leave me alone almost caused injury to others people because he couldn’t properly secure the fire scene
1- the reason the ladder wasn't in operation right away is because they did not have a water supply for it. They were already using their water supply for the hand line.
2- The rule with the police is that it's only considered "safe" when the scene is complete out of sight
Trying to use a hand line on that is the first problem...
@@ffjsbso are they supposed to wait for the ladder to arrive before they start spraying water?
@@Fire84569 Guess you didn't see that the ladder is already there with the stick up. You don't know much about fighting fire do you??
@@ffjsb yeah I’m pretty new to this. I’m a probationer RUclips firefighter. But I haven’t seen a department start firefighting operations with an elevated stream. We pull hand lines until the aerial is in place and ready to flow water. I’m just guessing an engine arrived on scene first then the ladder, even if the ladder arrived first we still pull hand lines, while the operator positioning the ladder.
@@Fire84569 You don't pull a small hand line on a FULLY involved structure, EVER. It's like pissing on a big bonfire. Go big or go home.
Glad to finally see a fire company not try to use a hand line on a fully involved structure fire.
Evidently they DID.
@@ffjsb Probably to be used for mop up when the defensive stream isn't needed.
You were lucky to get that close, in the UK the cops would back you up so far, you wouldn't even see the smoke.
Same in Australia
Fire a town over I stopped at walked down the street right to the fire building, cops didnt even bat an eye
I'm really not being critical of the firefighters because that residence was gone when they arrived, but I do have a question regarding the lack of water supply. As a former firefighter in a township with very few hydrants, we learned to draft from wherever we could find water. The first few shots of the neighborhood showed a big lake in the middle of everything, hence the name. Why not draft from it, that's kind of what the hard suction is for. If there is such a water shortage in that community, put a few dry hydrants along the lake.
Exactly! I lived in a very rural area, and we had them in a small river and fill up points for the trucks at every crossing. Worked great when the neighbors house burned. They pumped straight from the river using the dry hydrants and saved the majority of the house
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Sorry I’m not a police officer but a firefighter. He was a little brash but if he is the only patrolman on the seen at the moment he has a 500ft radius to make safe. There is a shit load of things going on at once and individuals are pumped full of adrenaline. Firefighters are consumed with the task at hand and aren’t focused on the on lookers. Just my thoughts.
He has no authority simple as that he can go play in traffic and fuck off, it’s first add amendment activity and constitutional protected.
Ya totally agree but I explained who I was and what I was doing, while I was moving. He wanted me to actually run in the other direction, after he told me to move back I did then he came up 3 times telling me to move more to the point where I couldn’t see the house. I get it but what I can’t accept is him trying to make a point with me almost got others hurt because he wasn’t paying attention
In my judgement the guy filming was probably 300 ft away by the lake where no ops were taking place. Its splitting hairs for at exact 500ft distance to be required. Some common sense needs to be applied. Was the person in danger from the fire? Was the person in the way of fire fighters or close to their equipment? Those are the issues that matter.
@@minerran The way I see it, if the cop had let the photo guy get closer, then everyone else would want to get closer, then he would want to get closer and before you know it it's bedlam and everyone is in everyone else's way.
Nothing to see here.....LOL.
Why wouldn’t they widen the stream? Just asking, spray pattern would be more effective
Ice cream truck in background is a bonus! He prolly sold out for all the people watching !!
If Lakewood wants to function as an independent, paid municipal department they need to hire a lot more guys. 3 engines and 2 ladder trucks with skeleton staffing covering the whole township ain't cuttin' it...even as an initial response prior to mutual aid from the surrounding Ocean and Monmouth County companies. Their area is chock full of retirement communities, nursing homes, old commercial, new residential, and a whole lot of off-the-books addresses being turned into schools and dormitories.
Good job with a bad scenario on this one; I don't think Leisure Village was built with fire safety in mind back in the day.
Its insane what they accomplish with only having a career 1&1. Over 3k runs a piece of both too last year with no EMS. They run the wheels off
@@joe_mosc Insane being the key word...
NJ as a whole is screwed up...
@@joe_mosc Back in the 70s, when I was little, Lakewood had 4 strong volunteer companies with one paid guy that rode around in a mini pumper handling alarms, small brush fires, and whatever else didn't need a general alarm from the whole township. I grew up in Pt. Pleasant, 2 towns away. My uncle was a member of, I think, Co. 3. I forget their name. I don't think they have any volunteers anymore.
IMHO, "what they accomplish" is a polite way of saying "they're damn lucky they haven't killed anybody yet." If they have a mayday or have somebody go down early on in a fire they're screwed.The rapid intervention/FAST team is always coming from another town. Listening to the audio for a bunch of their fires, I don't think they even establish their "2-out."
The guys they have are good at what they do; there just isn't enough of them.
@@ffjsb I can 1000% confirm this. EVERYTHING in the state is a complete clusterfuck and pain in the ass!! Absolutely nothing operates as it should there.
Thank God the cop was there to perform crowd control on 1 fire buff....ridiculous.
@@ralphbaran lol
As a former fighter fighter, I am going to make a camera and monitor for the guys working the ladder at the bottom. So they can see what is going on. I personally never seen on on a fire truck other then maybe an ARFF truck. Not saying he/she did anything wrong. I am up in the air about smooth bore nozzles. I think an adjustable nozzle might have been a better option. And sure I will take feed back on the last comment.
No they make them . They even have thermal cameras on the tip . If you got the money they will make it for you . They have ladders that you can fully operate with basically an IPAD . Including the pump .
I love the background effect of the "ice cream" man music calling all, using the fire as entertainment.
Officer had a ego trip he wanted everyone to know he was in charge ! He needs more training on how to deescalate and not escalate a situation Go back to Human Resources and take a eight hour class and he needs a reprimand note in his employee file! SMH
That cop is a total dh tool
I would posit that some RUclipsrs need that same training.
Yes, if you had followed what the officer was telling you, he wouldn’t have been rude.
He’s a public servant and SHOULD be professional and polite to EVERYONE no matter what the circumstances might be and he differently was not .
@@debrodgers6276 Citation needed... seeing that the guy who was making the video literally did move back when told, and that (especially when they ARE complying) that rudeness isn't needed.
As a firefighter I am so thankful when PD shows up. Respect what he is asking and do it, don't argue and claim your rights. There are actual people attacking that fire internally and externally. There is no telling what your presents will cause whether you are 20ft away or 100ft.
My presence will not affect operations at all… I do respect cops on the daily as my friends are some, I’ve also showed this video to them and they said this cop was most likely new on the job and fired up, treating me this way is no way to gain respect either just remember that.
You got to be joking. 😂 From where he was standing he wasn’t interfering with firefighting operations with so ever. He needs to be worried about traffic control and keep people from running over the hoses.
You have every right to record in public and NOBODY can ask you to stop or move. You are responsible for for your own safety. You have NO EXPECTATIONS OF PRIVACY IN PUBLIC. 1st amendment of the constitution of the UNITED STATES. Stand up for your rights or risk LOSING THEM. By the way, I’m a veteran and will argue every time for what’s right. That cop just opened himself and his department to a lawsuit. Civil rights attorneys are always looking for an easy buck.
Often wonder why they shoot a stream of water instead of a wider spread. Seems to me a wider spread could cover more area to knock down the flames. Just a thought.
A few reasons, depending on the situation. Main reason is a wider stream doesn't have as far of a reach. Straight stream goes a lot further and has more power. In a defensive operation like this, a straight stream can actually be used to punch holes in the roof to get at more of the fire.
Wider streams also generate a lot of air flow. In this situation, not much of a concern. In an interior operation, the airflow from a fog stream disrupts the thermal balance and flow path in undesirable ways. It creates enough air flow that you can ventilate the smoke out of a room by spraying a wide fog pattern out the window; the airflow draw the smoke right out.
@@fullmetal2405 Add to that less focused stream wil evaporate before the water has a chance to follow through the fire and cool down the fuel that is burning ^^
Anyone know what caused this fire? My grandmother use to live in there back in the 1970's
Amazing catch
Do as you’re told, and obey a lawful order. The cop’s job to keep people safe, is a hell of a lot more important, than a RUclipsr getting video for likes and subscribers.
Well no, that is not their job.
Their job is to enforce laws, and the OP was violating no law.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean ... he did back up as asked? You don't need to be a belligerent ass to tell someone to move back, period.
By the way, good job Lakewood F.D.
Dude as much as we appreciate your videos. That was un called for. Listen to the cop and get back.
I agree with the cop. Mind your business
I would like to say amazing video have you thought about getting a gimble for your camera
Yea, I’m in the middle of making a switch from cameras this ones big and heavy why it gets shakes.
I’m a full-time LEO and a volunteer fire chief; that officer was way out of line. For him to order you back, he needs to establish a crime scene first. You were far enough back, I don’t believe that you posed a danger of destroying evidence, and he could have left you in place. His attitude was unprofessional, and he needs some reprimand. You have a first amendment protection to film the scene, no different than any other media outlet.
I wonder what caused this fire.
For the idiots giving the cop shit: the first interaction that officer had with that civilian was edited out. He was being as nice as physically possible. It wasn’t until the cameraman continued to push that the officer, still respectfully, told him to move and even explained to him why. You people have zero idea what you’re talking about. It is his job and obligation to keep that area clear so the firefighters can do their job. Try to think outside the box. It’s not just the one house that’s currently burning, it’s the houses next to it that are at very high risk as well. So the perimeter needs to reflect that expansion of work. I know this because I’m a firefighter. Not to mention that wind was very strong. That could have spread the fire even more and made things go from bad to worse. Don’t comment stupid shit if you’ve never worked a structure fire.
The first time he asked me to move. I started moving. He didn’t like the way I was moving. How many fire scenes have I been on I know where I am and what I’m doing, he was to worried about making me back up far enough to not be able to see the house, he almost let two older people walk back into their burning home.. his job is to make sure everyone safe. He knew that I was safe and he knew what I was doing because he told me I know what you’re doing but. So that tells me he wasted more time then he needed to with me which resulted in him not being able to do his job and protect the citizens.
Stop lying
@@Cairns-880 hahaha ok. It’s literally on video champ.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse
I did not quote you, but rather the Clem guy who is giving you crap about editing stuff out. I’m fast approaching 20 years as a firefighter and do not have the slightest problem with what you were doing. You were not interfering in the slightest and the cop was acting way out of line.
*first interaction that officer had with that civilian was edited out*
Got any evidence? Besides "I just made it up, and think that asserting it true makes it true" level logic?
So sad! Total loss! Hope everyone safe
Yes, but damage would be less bad if house was not built out of cardboard.
What police department is this?
Lakewood NJ. He’s posted other videos and most of the officers are douchebag power trippers.
Lakewood
I thought I smelled something burning this afternoon! Whoa!
Same I was on the way to golf
Dang, boss. I knew we forgot something...the fire walls! No problem, code enforcement got their donation last week.
So, no attic isolation?
What are you talking about?
@Cairns-880 more modern construction would extend the firewall between units all the way to the roof. Thus preventing the middle unit from quickly involving the adjoined occupancies.
Based on the fire venting out the end gables, I am guessing no partitioning.
Did it extend to the Delta exposure?
Now I understand why they call that Lakewood frie going crazy 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
Another foundation saved....
I have seen 100 year old wooden farm houses that were set on fire and they did not burn down that quickly. That house was gone in minutes. So sad.
4.03 a fire-fighter call for a Medic I've got one..hope they survived ok...and on first arrival you can clearly hear dog barking I hope they weren't in that house ...the Cop was overzealous, you weren't endangering yourself and you have the right to record...very quick fire
Rude officer
He's far enough back that he is not interfering with anyone or is a safety hazard. Cop needs to chill out and take the stick out of his ass.
I thought the Fire Chief had control of the scene. And why was he being so rude towards you. I guess he wasn't having a good day....
Cop was standing there with his thumb up his ass as usual so he decided to start bullying people who were nowhere near the fire.
@@MontcoBucksIncidentPageMBIP it was a fire scene and the officers were there to block the road and to direct traffic and he wasn’t being rude when a fire broke out the police have to respond and be on scene
@@KevinLyons-gn7eu No really you don't say. Thank You sorry my firefighter brain is a bit rusty 🤣🤣🤣🤣
While I don’t agree with how the officer conducted himself I do understand why. A lot of dangers that a civilian might not be aware of can happen and I’ve seen it. 3 risks this officer was probably worried about from where you were standing 1. Possible Gas Line Rupture. 2. If the wind shifts he gave you enough distance to have a chance. Or 3 and more likely was to get you out of the way of the aerial line. That line packs enough force to penetrate solid concrete and if you are too close you could get hit by either the water spray or debris. But no matter what that cop could have voiced it a little better and explain why he wanted you to get farther away.
Pray there weren't any pets inside.
Took him way too long to get water on it. What are they doing? Standing around?
The house was a total loss before they got on the scene what is the point in rushing around and have someone get hurt
Agreed!
@@jwfusco1958 because there are OTHER houses threatened.
You're only seeing the rear of the building. They had some handlines in service while a water supply was being established.
Your videos would be much better if you would not talk in them if you’re gonna play the Dispatch
This guys videos are okay, but he makes himself a pain in the ass and gets in the way. Arguing with the police isnt cool either. He was doing his job.
At what point was he in the way of anyone besides the cops ego?
Dude, the cop is right, if the wind shifts your ass would have been in trouble. Get a better camera that can zoom, you should not be anywhere near that.
I’ve been to enough fire scenes to no what’s to close. I’m very aware of the wind this day and it was steady. Also I had no issue moving back, he just kept moving me back till he knew I had no shot of the house. When filming a video for training you need to see what’s actually happening and sometimes zoomed in from far away doesn’t show the same stuff. I’m also cool with the chief and many ffs here they all know what I’m doing.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse Are you affiliated with any department? Or, do you just video peoples lives being destroyed?
@@thejudge3132 yes I do content for many departments in the area…
@@thejudge3132 this has to do with fire operations only not peoples lives.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse lol, ok.
Oh my..... it's in the Original Leisure Village which is considered historical.
Why does it Always look like fire fighters just stand around and look at the fire 🔥 burn instead of using water 💦💦
Because you have no clue what you are looking at
I've got the impression from these videos that Lakewood is mainly composed of wooden shanties.
Good video!👍
at 1:36 no visible flames, ok then.
There is an entire Lake of water in the back yard. Deploy a intake line with a sump filter and use your pumper truck.
Or the hydrant in the front yard works too
Other than San Francisco it seems that if there are hydrants the department would rather deploy five hundred feet of hose than draft from water at the scene.
Could suply the deck gun
TurboDraft!!!!
I thought cop was in the right, just trying to keep you safe bro, chill out.......
I get it and I was chill, he had a bone to pick for whatever reason probably his first fire scene and was stressed out. Direct me to arrest me for obstruction after I already complied with his orders to move back it just a little ridiculous in my eyes.
@@jerseyshorefireresponseit’s happened to me too at a couple of fire scenes I’ve been told to back away or I’d be arrested the one time a Chief that’s a personal friend of mine stuck up for me
The wind was bad, this one got bad fast and I’m assuming it was reported very late? Is it rural? I’m wondering why it was so involved before FD was on-site, there was nothing much they could do about saving the house, but kudos for controlling it . Godspeed FD.
Looking at the comments about the officer and wondering if anyone put any thought into why he was moving him back. The person putting water on the dwelling with the aerial stream is concentrating on where to place the water and doesn't need to worry about if some lookylou is standing in the area where the stream might fall. The officer was looking out for this young man's well-being. At first glance it seemed as if the officer was being a little heavy handed, but he had to expedite his removal from harms way. If our young photographer was hit with that water stream, he would be wishing that officer moved him back. I've been on both sides of the water stream, so I have first hand experience of the concerns.
Yes I’m very aware of FF operations & where I need to stand to be safe out of a collapse zone or heat zone. Also have a radio to hear exactly everything the fire fighters are doing, I knew the master stream was going to be working soon. The cop actually has no clue as they don’t listen to fire band. He was doing his job but coulda been a little understanding with me to what I was doing and focus on the scene safety but he wanted to really make a point and they almost got two people really hurt.
lol, settle down, this guy was clearly out of the way and no hinderance to the operations.
Do you need the government to wipe your behind as well?
@@Cairns-880 , and you would be the first one to sue if you got hit by the stream from that stick. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.
@@Incindio13, and you know for certain if that stream is going to hit him or not. What if that stream dislodges a piece from that dwelling and kicks it in his direction. Like I said to that other douche, STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.
hellsyes! nice job with the pipe!!! great call.
Go to your local newspaper and TV Stations. Tell them you video FD incidents. They will give you a press pass if you share your videos with them. The other thing is order yourself a reflective jacket with FD VIDEO CREW on the back and front. If you look like you're with the FD most of the time they just ignore you.
Wisconsin has a Law, That you must stay at these 400 feet from an active fire emergency scene. Great Videos!!!!! F+L, Corey
Our department would it with 3000 pounds of blue dry chemical. Then open up the foam cannon.
Ok
Nice work with the elevated master stream! I wish we could’ve seen the other side, but I certainly wouldn’t want you getting arrested! 😆
Great video in spite of the cop.
Haha yeah, didn’t wanna push my luck and get throw out so stayed there till I had enough and walked to the other side.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse ha ha, he was a big over aggressive, I though. But he doesn’t seem to know you, that you know how to video and stay out of the way and remain safe. Keep up the nice work up there!
Got it out before it jumped to another house. Win.
If we didn't have all the tones and vocals of the trucks dispatched we could see more fire.
OMG.! you really CAN hear the ice cream truck reporting on scene!!!
Sorry, there's no way that you're right to argue with him {4:38}, which you were. I'd say "Sorry, sir.", turn and walk away till he's happy. We have zoom lenses for a reason.
Pushing me back in my face, making up lies that I’m obstructing, pushing me back to a spot he knew I couldn’t film from, no he’s just being rude to prove a point and I’m going to stick up for myself cause I know how close is to close and what’s in the way. So I’m not going to let some hot head cop hinder my filming operation.
Amen
Oh, piss off. Complying and speaking your mind is complying, no need to justify excessive behavior.
Their neighbors were glad the wind was on their side
Fully involved or Fully engulfed?!
I am watching from Elmira NY a lot of heavy fire
Can't believe how long it takes New Jersey firefighters to get moving and water on the fires, after on-scene, everyone I've seen them working it takes forever. Got the ladder gun working, but where are the hand lines, not a single one in use? The cop was a bit of a authoritarian jerk too.
And the latest score is : Fire 1-Fire Department 0, News at 10.
Great video
ULs 217 8th edition standard for smoke alarms exceeds in performance vs what's currently being sold in most stores today.
was lil time before water got on it..but was too far gone...did not see any hand lines at all...
Always sad to see someone's home burn down...
RELEASE THE WHOLE VIDEO WHERE THE COP WAS PERFECTLY NICE AND PLEASANT TO YOU!! NOT JUST THE CLIP WHERE HE JUSTIFIABLY LOSES HIS PATIENCE WITH YOU!!!
This is what I have recorded why are you yelling , video clearly shows me moving backwards he says “turn around run” and no I wasn’t going to do that. Why are you yelling you kinda sound like him.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse Maybe that's a family member or friend?
Rookie LEO I think.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse There was more to the clip. He was perfectly pleasant with you until it became time not to be.
@@minerran wrong
for everyone complaining about the cop, notice how the video was edited so as to not show the whole interaction. why was that part taken out? could it be this guy making the video was in the wrong? and edited this to make himself;f look like a victim? SHOW US THE UNEDITED VIDEO!!!!
Cop was out of line from the start. There was absolutely no reason to need people to stand that far back. Given how often this kind of thing happens to this creator, my guess is the local FD's are tired of being lambasted for their stupid operations, and instead of fixing themselves, they want to keep media away. The cop didn't seem to give 2 shits about the other bystanders until AFTER they were pointed out by the cameraman and then realized he was caught in his bullshit. He was singling out the media and it was painfully obvious regardless of edits.
@@Blitz350 Since he was out of line from the start, can you show us the start please?
@@brucegordon4992 the camera doesn't move and one sec he's fine and the next he's being told to move. There was no reason to ask him to move from where he was.
The video was edited to what footage I had recorded I’m not always recording lol…
I’d agree, but thinking maybe cop was just doing his job to get people back and then got caught up with me cause I didn’t turn around and move like directed some cops don’t like a little pushback to their orders. As I was walking backwards filming still cause my job is to record the fire scene.
I live in Long Branch & we have highrise condos & our fire department is a hundred times better than Lakewood.
At this point you're better off protecting the exposures.
Now that is a great crazy starting this video and saying see smoke but no visible flames and the minute the camera looks up and there is a bunch of flames what is going on here😮
I live in Utah and i help my friend out who works for local media here and there are times i go to fire scenes to get pics/ videos for him to use and if there isn't any tape up i go as far as i can on the opposite side of the fire scene so I'm not in the way of the hose or other things. And i come across cops that are rude so i outsmart them and go around the block to get better pics and video where there isn't any cops lol.
I watched it go, it was my friend's house. lost everything
Please accept my condolences to your friend and their family for losing all their possessions and home.
So sorry for your friends.
So heart-breaking, I know what they're going through
So sorry for your friends loss.
The officer thought he did something, he thought he ate💀
It's gone when you got there.
You were a bit too close to that you never know if there is a propane tank in there or a gas line that could blow the whole structure apart.
Yeah that officer was overzealous. I'd file a report.
He was a little rude but not a big deal. I’ve seen other cops handle it better & more professional but maybe he was super stressed in that situation. I’ve also seen others handle it worse, he cooled off after and didn’t say anything else.
why file a report, get a life.....
That nerd cop tho
City governments probably advise their police to engage in such practices because they fear some sue-happy fire victim or their families will find fault with the public perception of the way their Fire Department is fighting a fire, especially with any signs of confusion, or a lack of a sense of Urgency, on the part of the firefighters. It's very difficult to watch your neighbor's house go up in flames, only to see your house start smoldering and eventually catch fire as well, twenty minutes later, while the firemen saunter around your neighbor's house, while seemingly ignoring yours! Just sayin'!
File a complaint against officer
Nah he’s just doing his job, prob his first working fire
Complaint about what ?He’s doing his job and doesn’t need some thrill seeker in the way
@@pipegarmichso it's ok for him to be an asshole?
@@pipegarmichBut he wasn’t even close to being in the way. Cop was being a dork.
@@jerseyshorefireresponse should’ve filed a complaint against the officer
Police only doing their jobs don’t take it personal love your videos even though they scare the hell out of me 😮
Over reach; especially for videographers. No obstruction to the fire fighters, not really even threat to personal safety.
The police department is a joke they are more worried about being filmed
does that cop has nomex skin ?
BS
The cop was entirely out of line
Wow that house went up so fast
The wind had to have played a role in that. Fanned the flames big time
Proof most people can't handle positions of authority which is 85% if not more percent of police. Notice he pretends he's concerned for your safety and the scene. But his ultimate wish is for you to do something so he can enforces his God power to arrest you. They can't handle positions of authority it becomes abusive then turns into a God complex. Notice how excited an emotional the more his adrenaline an stress level rose? That was with people just standing watching a fire. could you imagine how that cop would be if he'd have to pull his weapon in a situation? I truly believe bad things would happen.
A fire engine should have water like in the big cities like Chicago and New York
All fire engines do care water that's a ladder truck they don't carry water
Where is the FD
The Napoleon complex, overly aggressive or domineering social behavior. The cop was blaming you for his inability to control his emotions. Everyone has a job to do. That said you should have a conversation with him as you are going to be covering other fire scenes. If you cannot resolve this with him, speak to his supervisor or the chief of police and show them this video.