Dying Light 2 Stay Human: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S Comparison - 30FPS/60FPS/RT Modes Tested!
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2022
- Just how big a difference can ray-traced shadows make? Developer Techland returns with a direct successor to Dying Light - hitting new PS5 and Xbox Series consoles with a trio of modes, including a bespoke ray-tracing option. Tom investigates the best ways to play, including a 60FPS performance option and another supporting 4K displays.
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1440p/60fps would have been a sweet spot for performance mode. Such a shame that it's limited to 1080p. Hoping for a future patch.
They truly don't give a fuck
And maybe some kind of 60FPS 1080p performance RT mode, like what Insomniac did in Spider-Man and Ratchet & Clank
Yeah, not gonna buy it before that.
@@robovader7625 Why? If you like the game for it's gameplay, setting and the story graphics shouldn't really matter.
I just finished Dying Light 1 on PS5, which runs the 30fps 1080p PS4 version, had a blast.
@@PenguinYayOne Insomniac did 1440p with min 1080p drop thats master peace
I can live without RT but I won't settle on 30 fps. I am quite disappointed that I have to dip down to 1080p with a next gen console to achieve 60fps. Fake 4k or 1440p would do just fine on a larger 4K screen. Use dynamic resolution if you have to.
100% agree. Very surprised to see the safety of 1080p at 60 only
ikr, it is a bit ridiculous.
There's tons of dynamic 4K 60 games
Xbox series S 30fps? Terrible optimitation!
@@jonathanfernandez6916 i own the series s and im disapointed, but im still gonna enjoy the game regardless. it should look decent on my 1440p monitor, and i played the first game at 30fps for years so it doesnt bother me too much. seeing as techland dont use dynamic resolution its probably going to be 1080p on one x as well
I wish we could have Ray Tracing and 60 FPS at 1080P.
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Long live Insomniac Games!
I think a 1080p output is unacceptable for the new consoles. Disappointed that there's no dynamic resolution and seemingly no modern upscaling method in use here. And what's with the missing tree shadows on xbox?
Agree 💯%, anything under 4k 60fps is unacceptable on new consoles, i under the impression that ps5 hardware is capable of 4k 60fps what am i missing here??
@@noallegiances8676 The thing is, you people were scammed into thinking the next-gen hardware is capable of running games at 4K High on 60fps. They are too weak to do that, specially when crossgen games stop being produced and next gen AAA start getting made.
I think the issue is when they promised 4k 60fps RT they meant with last gen games and not future games
@@skaterhaube6026 Still, either they were telling half truths or the public is super naive.
@@victuz it's more like clever marketing but at the same time they aren't half wrong either.
Having stronger hardware just means developers can be lazier when developing games
The RT shadows look nice but I can't lose the 30fps from my parkour just to get them. Movement is this game's biggest draw for me and I want it to feel the best it can.
You mean 60fps? Quality Mode with RT shadows is 30fps.
@@nonyabusiness6084 You lose 30 frames by dropping from 60 to 30. If he lost 60 frames it would be a still image. 😅
If the 2nd dying light game has anywhere close the longevity of the first, then it's a feature to be used after 2 more generations of graphics cards. Not now with your 1050ti. Don't be so short minded
Agreed. Mental choice that. There needs to be 60fps with a balance of rt features. Metro did it well.
I do agree but the cost of dropping to 1080p is a kick in the balls
Wish they managed to push the resolution above 1080p in performance mode. For this type of game, 60fps should be the standard and now it's going to look pretty blurry on 4k TVs.
Exactly my thoughts.
1440p would have been perfect.
@Okiwaga97 Tbh old gen barely did 4k 30. 90+% of all ''4k'' titles were upscaled/checkerboarded 4k only and mostly at 1440p max. But consoles just need some good upscaling. DLSS 2.+ is convincing as hell. If AMD drops a newer version I'm sure the pro versions of the consoles will be all over it. I just hope the current ones get to benefit too.
Really strange that they aren't using dynamic resolution scaling to hit higher resolutions since it seems like the game easily hits 60fps in most scenes. Maybe their engine doesn't support it?
@@williamcrms yeah ive never seen dynamic resolution in their engine.
Thanks, you guys. I made a comment on the previous video that I wish you would always make a recommendation of which mode you should play in on each console. Sounds like Ray tracing is well worth considering so I'll check it out!
1080 P with no dynamic scaling or AI upscaling is IMO just unacceptable for this gen. It's pretty much expected that EVERYONE who has a Series X or PS5 is going to be playing on a big 40-70 inch 4k display as they have become much more affordable, and 1080 p blown up on a big 4k screen just simply looks like a blurry mess. All games this gen should be shooting for 1440 P 60 FPS, employing whatever resolution tricks and dynamic scaling they possibly can to balance visuals with performance. Dropping it all the way to 1080 P is just giving up IMO
And thats where the lack of supersampling tech in games for the current gen consoles at the moment starts to show. they should implement fsr afterwards.. the consoles support it and its better than havin nothing at all. But i think it also shows that raytracing without (heavy) upscaling in some form is way too much for this gen of consoles.
@@bigboulder 100% That's been obvious from the jump. Ray Tracing is too much for anything in existence outside of a 3090 machine without heavy upscaling like DLSS - Consoles desperately need games to implement FSR to keep up
So true, 4K 60 should be standard for Nextgen. Who wants to play 1080p on a 65 inch 4K display?
@@Fabian-gv1tz 4k 60 on consoles 😂😂😂 lol keep dreaming
@@RoHaN-du7yx ???
There are games with 4k 60fps or not?
1080p 60fps in performance mode is crazy. I was expecting at least 1440p.
I need a new gpu ASAP
It's very poorly optimized! 1080p 30fps with 100% oldgen graphics.... wait for Forbiden West to show you how it's done...
@@SnakeGamerMG3 Facts! Techland out here doing the bare minimum
this is a console comparison!!!
@@SnakeGamerMG3 I can’t wait for 1440p 60 either
These "day one" videos are pure greatness, but the inevitable soon-to-be-released patches will render some of the analysis obsolete. Something to keep in mind, especially for those watching at a later date.
I wish that the quality and performance modes gave us 1440p, instead of 1080p. Insomniac has spoiled us with it.
This engine man it’s terrible
30 FPS needs to go along with 2013 hardware.
When will there be an updated video that covers the performance updates/patches that Dying Light 2 received back in August 2022?
The main issue in this game is not using dynamic resolution, like many other games do.
me, on the other hand, prefer not to have dynamic resolution or FSR or something like, much better, native resolution, 100% rendering
@@phelype211 Not fully agreed, dynamic resolution and FSR always create a pretty good result on higher resolutions and at the same time give better performance. Can't see any downside.
I think its better. It gives consistency.
@@phelype211 at 1080p? U know how horrible this looks?
Consoles need FSR and dynamic res combined. For future games which get more demanding
Wow 1080p at 60fps? Techland really dropped the ball on this one
Had a feeling from the leaked ps5 gameplay that it was 1080p at 60fps. Played it safe covering up the poor optimisation most likely
I knew thisbwas gonna be the case.
@@mrbobajango7482 I agree , Games like Ratchet & Clank and Miles Morales are much more visually intensive and even with ray tracing enabled the resolution never averages out on 1080p.
Hell even Miles Morales on Performance RT had a higher resolution than this.
Though I can't really complain much , I still have those 3D TVs from 2010.
@@HottestBrownMan not only higher res, also at 60fps, but i think they have done it cuz of the lack of dynamic res
@@HottestBrownMan exactly! That's why it's a bit of a shame they settled on this considering many other games have been incredible while utilising the next gen power. I guess for people with the older tvs like you mentioned won't notice but unfortunately on higher res screens you really notice the drop. I guess I've been spoiled ha!
Can't wait for the PC coverage. Hopefully we'll see expanded RT options, and I believe it implements DLSS as well... might end up being another great showcase for what RT can do.
pc seems to be decent even modest hardware doing 1080p 60
Great video, Tom!
1080p to get 60 fps. Damn that's some amazing optimization guys. At least add a 40/vrr mode if youre not gonna optimize
Biiiiiig dissapointment.
crazy how ratchet and clank has 60FPS, Ray Tracing and (i think) 1440p and it looks miles better than this game idk game design tho lol
Yeah.these can push high Res. farcry can do 1800p 60 FPS.they didn't have the time maybe.
I can't believe Techland isn't using dynamic resolution scaling, which has become such a modern staple for games. It looks like there is a lot of performance headroom in some scenes to push resolution higher than 1080p.
@@camxi2416 1080p60 with RT or 4K30 and 4K40 with RT*
1080p 60fps. Seriously? And 4K/30? What are these developers doing? These are next gen consoles. This is not acceptable. It should be 4K/60 standard with 1080p 120. And RT 1440p 60 for Xbox series x and ps5. Smfh
I think both next generation machines should be able to hit 60 fps at 1440p. That would be the sweet spot. And I think both should be able to handle that. I have a ps5 and will be playing it in performance mode. Definitely dnt think these two machines should be hitting 1080p. But I'm not dev.
Game looks amazing on PS5 and SX, a bit disappointed that the performance mode is only 1080p but there’s no way I’m drop kicking zombies off buildings at 30 FPS.
Anyone who uses an Xbox series S is stuck with 30fps sadly.
@@kekatte yeah this sucks but it was expected. At least the frame rate is stable
I’d like to see DF talk about haptics in these vids as well. As someone on both consoles this would be a deciding factor if they run about the same. But yah, playing DL1 at 60 fps is night and day on Series X with fps boost. Although seeing the RT mode I may have to check that out as well. As long as it’s not too janky sometimes 30 fps is totally manageable.
@@mandrews6282 PS5 users are still waiting for the DL1 performance patch… they confirmed it months ago but it’s still not out. I personally can’t handle 30 FPS for action games, the blurriness gives me headaches.
@@Tectosaurus yah I hear you. I had to buy it again on XBox when it was announced as FPS Boosted. I’d rather them make DL2 as stable as possible, which it sounds like it is, than put out next gen patches for DL1 on XBox and PS5. 60 over 30 in that game is night and day though so while I will check out the RT mode, I’m almost definitely playing in 60.
These settings, at least to me, seem largely disappointing. Motion blur was completely cut out of resolution mode, too, which wasn't even mentioned. Unfortunate.
No motion blur, no buy.
@@Spokker imagine wanting motion blur
@@Spokker I mean it's cool you like motion blur but personally I can't imagine ever having it turned on. I find it to be absolutely disgusting.
EDIT: To be fair, I think it works ok in some arcade racers, but that's about the only time I can imagine using it.
Personally I don’t ever notice motion blur. 🤷♂️
@@Spokker why isn't motion blur supposed be a bad thing? I hated motion blur in uncharted 4.
Darn. Usually I'm totally fine with dropping down to 30fps with RT at above 1440p.
But 30fps at 1080p with RT shadow/AO (the RT/AO looks really nice btw)
Too much of a trade off to use.
just gotta say, you guys are doing god's work. I really love your videos of games that I'm interested in
Wow...maybe Techland should've spent 500 hours properly optimizing this game and give us at least 1440p 60 fps
😂
1080p is not that far off from 1440p. I’ll take that with a stable framerate over 1440p and dips into the 50’s all the time. I mean this is what we got with Guardians of The Galaxy as well and that game is stunning. If the texture detail and world detail is the same, and obviously improved over, what was in DL1, I suspect this is a demanding game. I can only imagine what had to be scaled back for last gen consoles.
@@mandrews6282for me, the difference between 1080p and 1440p is quite noticeable. 1440p is really clean, sharp and colors pop more. 1080p looks a bit dated in comparison.
@@mandrews6282 it is super noticable idl what ur talking about
@@sprintingsnail9492 I agree, mathematically it doesn't seem like an extra vertical 360p would be that noticeable but the difference is huge when you actually see it.
I hope optimizing the game later on will bring better quality on all modes.
Im still waiting for promised dying light 60fps on ps5 lol
@@belgregor oh damn PS5 didn’t get the patch? I’m on Series X and thought all consoles got the 60fps patch?
@@ENT931 I think series x just got it because they have the fps boost feature built into the console
🤣😂🤣😂Wake up
@@larcaidz8372 xbox has been extremely user friendly whilst playstation had gotten greedy with us having to pay for free updates essentially. Playstation did the same thing back in ps2 era, they were ya the top and then got greedy with the ps3. Then they pulled themselves together and won the ps3/360 era and kept that momentum going with ps4 but now we're back to the greedy practices which I hate when I've been with them since ps1 and seen these changes.
So has no one noticed that they actually put out a trailer advertising the the resolution mode on both xbox and PS was 4k? The game info on the xbox store even says 4k.
Just 1080p is a bit disapointing, but there's no going back to 30fps for me.
Was really hoping for something more resolution-wise out of the 60fps mode.
Sameee :/.
1440p would have been amazing
@@chrish813 the consoles are just too weak for 1440/60 tho
@MrFreak9.1.1 I wouldn't call them lazy, the game got delayed for like 2 years... So they must have had some development problems... Easy talking from the sideline✌🏽
@@BroHDarkCaBo Delaying something for a long time sounds like a telltale sign of laziness.
@MrFreak9.1.1 they are tho, with ps5 at 3060 level of performance wothout rt 1080/60 is expected
The low resolution in the other two modes is so disappointing
Shut up
@@colinkennedy7115 imo the game doesnt look good enough to run at just 1080p
Yep
I will rather play this in 20 fps than crapy 1080p in 2022 wtf is this shit
Even the PC requirements are pretty heavy. RTX 3080 for full hd ray tracing on 60fps
Thanks guys!
0:03 I like how the rock just disappears into the street
Gotta say, 1080P on the new consoles is a total bummer.
That’s pretty disappointing I always choose 60 fps but I expected something more than 1080p especially on current gen consoles.
I think I will wait maybe Techland drops some patches to improve the performance mode.
They've supported dying light this long. I wouldn't be surprised if they optimized this after launch.
@@rmo9808 hope they can optimise it and up performance mode to 1440p 60fps, I think I will just buy it for pc first as I have a decent pc to run it well, it’s just such a shame it’s 1080p 60 feel like it’s not going to be the best on a 4K screen
I think they've cranked the graphics to as good as you'll get at this time, so I wouldn't expect any drastic performance improvements.
@@jamesearly7388 They probably decided on getting something stable rather than push for more. I can forgive that considering how terrible Cyberpunk still is. We should be getting much better games at this point in the development cycle but the last couple years have been a mess.
@@Safetytrousers It's still a cross generation game. They obviously had to keep it playable for last gen. There's room there to work. The question is will they?
There is no reason Series S can't do 1080p60, and for that matter PS5 and Series X should be doing 4K60.
What's happening here is the developers let some artists bicker and complain about "not enough sparkles" or some such BS so they pumped up effects to the point where resolution and framerates are driven into the ground.
On a PC equivalent to PS5 and Series X you will easily hit 4K60 on medium settings, the console developers just let their personal bias dictate that consoles are forced to play with a blurry image.
Why is there no mention of HDR or lack of? I just found out that there isn’t HDR support for this game.
I bet if this game was optimized properly it could be played at 1800p 60 FPS with ray traced shadows on the next gen consoles. Games have already done way more, and it’s kind of pathetic to get 1080p 60 fps. The PS4 pro could probably run this at 1080p 60 FPS…..
I can't deny that I find 1080p in performance rather disappointing. With my viewing distance and my 65 inch TV I'm definitely gonna notice. It's a let down after having had several games on current gen at dynamic 4K/60.
Wish it was atleast 1440p. Gonna look blurry on my 65 4k screen too
@@thechump10 I suggest you get an eye test then as 1080p definitely shouldn't look blurry on a 4k tv.
@@Howlerss 1080p naturally looks worse on a 4K TV, as the image literally stretches 1 pixel across 4 pixels to fit the 4K screen.
pretty sure youre the one that needs a eye test if u think 1080p looks sharp on a 4k tv lmfao
@@LASAGNA_LARRY it really doesn't. Only explanation for this is your tv doesn't upscale well.
why are we still getting 30 fps modes... No one wants that. It's bad. No one in their right mind is going to pick to play games at 30 when a 60 fps option is available so lets just prioritise making 60 fps the bare minimum and the best it can be please. It's been decades now we are beyond that crap. Up the standards ffs. You can even see how horrid it is in videos now...
Im here to see the differences and you start to explain me the whole game
The search animation shows how underdeveloped this game still is. All the rumors on the polish game dev market seem to be true: it would need another 6 - 9 months of crunch.
This is really dissapointing. As a crossgen title I would expect PS4 atleast 900-1080p/ Xbox One 720-900p at 30 fps, which means the Xbox Series S with ease could reach ATLEAST 900p 60fps. And the PS5 / XSS 1440p+ 60fps if properly optimized.. but looks like that's not the case.
Dying light was a great game but it's the kind of game that it's better to wait for a definitive edition than buying first day.
If a Series S runs at 1080P/30, what do the base PS4 and Xbox One run at? 720P/15?
Hope you guys take a look at the last-gen versions. A lot of people are still playing on One S/X and PS4/Pro. Would be interesting to see just how scaled back those versions are compared to the new gen versions.
on those versions you will get the regular:1080, 30fps
@@Jojo-nq3bp Surely the settings will differ somewhat from Series S, though?
@@Monafide3305 Series S is marketed to target 1080p and sometimes 1440p on less demanding games.
Last gen version should not exist on 2022 moving forward... There is a reason why we needed a generational change.
Stop holding back next gen!
Definitely looks like it can use some further optimization. 1080p at 60fps is the only mode mode worth playing. FPS over resolution and RT, no brainer.
If you’re a console gamer then you must have come by that opinion *very* recently seeing how you’ve been playing games at 30fps and below for years now 😆
@@a.g.m8790 and the point is...?
Imagine playing at the low end 1080p resolution on a next gen console :)
@@Sims64340 as much as we hate ubisoft, their games are well optimized, next gen consoles run their games beyond 1440p flawlessly
@@Sims64340 1080p on PS5/Series X is acceptable for me if the game is pushing 120fps, but at 60fps it should be 1440p at minimum. The Series S performance here is even more disappointing to me. Appears to have been rushed and therefore not well optimized. Hopefully it gets patched.
I do appreciate a good comparison! :)
I hope you check out the VRR update for SX once the patch is out. Maybe the resolution mode get's an unlocked framerate with it..
Great coverage as always, DF!
Love that options have become the norm with this generation so I love that, but 1080p in the performance mode is kinda meh if I'm honest considering what we have seen these machines do so far. At least it's a rock solid and properly frame paced 60.
But if 1080p 60fps is what we get thats okay ... but I bet there'll be a patch later on. Look at Spiderman ps5
@@bevanmcnicholl2525 I definitely love that we've finally left the old 30fps standard on consoles behind, and FINALLY FINALLY hit 60fps standard, with multiple options. It's great.
Maybe the game will get updates later, no idea. The game seems very demanding even on very high end PC's so IDK. The game looks good no doubt, but it seems unreasonably demanding. 1080p was just a bit of a shame. I'll take it though for 60fps every day of the week.
Would love to see TechLand implement FSR into this title, given the framework is already there on PC and the feature is available to consoles (at least on Xbox where it’s in the SDK).
FSR is nowhere near DLSS sadly. It is just dynamic resolution scaller. But still probably better than fixed res.
Can we please have the best settings for pc ASAP. You guys are amazing, love your content so much.
"preoder cancelled" is usually a meme.. but thats literally what i just did. just 1080p is not acceptable for a game that looks like its from 2015
As a series S owner that's so disappointing. Raytracing was always questionable for it but no 60fps mode and only 1080p in its default mode? That just sounds like they're voluntarily ignoring any effort for the series S version and just giving us a slightly more stable version of the Xbox one version. I'm having this same worry for cyberpunks next gen update soon too. Also thank you for covering the series S version of games regularly digital foundry, you guys are pretty much the only channel that does and believe me it's appreciated.
I thought they would implement the dynamic resolution and TAAU from the switch version of Dying Light into this game to help push for 60fps, I'm even more worried to see last gen as this looks like a game that clearly wasn't for that hardware.
I feel cheated. They presented only Xbox Series X gameplay without Xbox Series S. I assumed that series S will have 60 FPS mode.
Im too pretty disappointed the console is perfectly capable of doing 1080p 60fps... I was waiting this game since 2019 for this. I have no money for a pc or a Series X. Thought that techland would care but it seems we cant trust no one...
@@XboxPlayerPL a series s is small
@@albertojimenez6012 you thought a last gen would do 60?
I can’t wait.. been waiting a long time for this. I wish Tom had dropped a little tiny hint though whether the game came out well as far as “is it fun to play”
I have confidence Techland will optimise the 60fps mode upgrade resolution to 1440p in the future.
Older consoles like PS4 and Xbox one are holding these games back massively. Games that are made solely for next gen like demon souls , ratchet and clank , returnal . Run amazingly well
Next year it will be next gen only this game got delayed a few times as well before releasing btw
Ya Sony be the only one dropping next gen, feel sorry for the other console owners ☹️
This is the slowest transition from one gen to the next by far.
Barring 1 or 2 games there's nothing available that isn't a last gen game masquerading as next gen.
All we've really seen is faster loading times and even then these SSD's for the most part and aren't being fulling utilised.
Then why doesn't this apply to PCs? That would be like saying a GTX 1080 is holding back PCs that have a RTX 3090.
@@bryankowalczyk3982 don't feel too bad for them because I own both and think the series X is the best out of the consoles.
5:00 - grass looks worse for me with Ray Tracing. Anyone else agree?
I feel like we still have a console generation (or two?) to go before I'm going to find exactly what I think we're all looking for at this point - 4k, ray tracing, 60 fps as standard. Is it really too much to ask? At that point I'd be happy with that forever tbh.
Looking like we're coming up against the limitations of these new systems a little early, no? I'm sensing the beginning of the end of high res 60fps games on the consoles.
Bad optimization.
Damn... I was expecting native 4K30 on Res mode, 1440p60 on performance mode and dynamic 1440p30 in quality. Having to go down to 1080p just to run at 60fps seems way to much... This makes me worry for the PC version.
PC is a unoptimized mess,need an RTX 2070 to get 1080P 60FPS at high settings without RT.
On pc will be fucked up ... If consoles have this optimization on pc will be ten times worse
It would still be Dynamic 1440p btw
Pc master race ftw eh? Lmao
@@smokeemifyagotem8851 It's not the PC's fault, it's the developer's.
Man 1080p is disappointing for next gen performance "hey guys you can either play with last gens resolution and a good framerate OR last gens framerate and a good resolution LOL enjoy!" now the dying light 1 60 FPS 4k patch for next gen systems not showing up makes more sense dont want to show up the sequel!
Great video Thomas! Thanks! I'm happy with DL2 results across all consoles and modes. This is great news!
The resolution mode looks SO much better to me than the other two (8 hours in) I'm an old school gamer so 30fps doesn't bother me. But the resolution mode, on this game, is jaw dropping ! I'm spoiled by it 😅 I'll have to have 4k gaming from this point on.
And it's time for 1080p 30fps gaming on nextgen machines👏👏👏
I was super excited for this game.. but the fact that it is 1080p@60fps in performance mode has pretty much crushed a majority of my excitement.. 1080p is to me just unacceptable on a Series X.
Performance mode should me at an Absolute MINIMUM 1440P@60Fps on Series X and PS5. This was an absolute blow to the face and has me reconsidering if i'm even going to buy the game at all..
I would’ve been disappointed even at 1440p60 I thought dynamic 4k60 would be the norm for this generation. Guess only first party games can do that
Agreed went from hyped to probably skipping. This is almost as lazy as the new Pokemon game from a technical standpoint.
legit sat here kinda wana cry ;/ whyyy these next gen consoless are ment to be so powerful i think ps5/xbox will be my last consoles im fully moving to pc ;/
@@billyrosewarne2178 it's not the console's fault tho. The Series X and PS5 could easily run this game at 1440p@60fps if not full 4K.. it's more so the fact that they are being held back by the old consoles and poor optimization by the developers of the game..
The game has to run well on all consoles including the first editions of Xbox One and PS4. And optimizing for all consoles at the same time takes Alot for work.
Take Metro Exodus for example, that game runs at a Dynamic 4K@60FPS WITH Ray-Tracing Enabled. But again the Next Gen Version of that game was developed after the fact, meaning the developers could focus on just the next gen consoles and not having to worry about last gen.
What do you expect from a console? You guys are never going to get the performance that you want and it's only going to get worse and worse as games get more demanding. Should have just picked up a PC
I was honestly hoping for a recomendation !
I would be interested in knowing if the 30fps modes have really well-done motion blur, which can make all the difference in the world. For instance, deathloop had a fantastic 30fps mode because the motion blur was done so well. They never seem to mention this in digital Foundry analysis videos
Incredibly disappointed that there's no option for 60fps on series s. I would gladly sacrifice graphical quality for more frames. This game looks so good that I feel like a lot could be sacrificed in the pursuit of a higher frame rate and the game would still look acceptable
Same, I wouldn't mind 900p at 60fps.
I feel cheated. They presented only Xbox Series X gameplay without Xbox Series S. I assumed that series S will have 60 FPS mode.
"Human eye cant see more than 24fps"
I thought the implementation of dynamic resolution on the switch version of Dying Light was to prepare for those features in this game, but alas, we could defiantly see more from these consoles if they implemented that.
@@XboxPlayerPL thats because the series x is the target for the game the series is is nothing more than a game pass machine expecting a 2022 AAA game to run at 60 fps without major sacrifices is daft! its the equivelent to a low end pc with an 5500xt and 2700x
We need more videos by Thomas. You are the best in the DF crew. Truly.
I'm good with everyone other than their new guy. He just always sounds so scripted and I can't enjoy the content he's bringing because of it. It's like listening to a machine they programmed to read a script.
@@gdoumit Haven't heard of him yet. Should probably give him some time
@@gdoumit he sounds sad every video lol
I hope you guys would do more HDR analysis.
No 60 fps on the Series S? Seriously? I'm gonna go ahead and cancel my pre order for this. That is absolutely ridiculous
lol yeah you might as well just play the game on last gen like what's the point
@@yokiryuchan7655 fps isn't everything, the game is low res and blurry on base last gen consoles.
@@lyfe8349 damage control lol
I don’t think 1080p at 60 was the move. Especially when in this day and age we have dynamic resolution. Honestly dynamic 1440p would have been better
I always find it interesting when I see comparisons of RT vs non-RT and there are shadows that _go away_ when RT is on.
A reminder of how much we're approximating with the older shadow techniques.
The same thing happens in Shadow of the Tomb Raider
@@thecatdaddy1981 Most games that have an RT shadows option really. I wonder what the level artists think of it all. RT means they don't have the same control over lighting, but its more accurate. But do we want total accuracy in games? A well crafted and designed title its still going to look stunning and deliver a better framarate, and once you're playing the accuracy of shadows and reflections just isn't going to be noticeable.
@@zybch People who light movie sets or photo shoots are still artists, but it is a different skill set.
@@zybch That's not really true. Even with RT you can place objects in the BVH structure only to affect shadows, reflections or whatever you want
@@knochey2296 What I'm getting at is the realism achieved with RT, vs manually placing every individual light, shadow maps etc etc. Yes, non-GI objects (light emitters etc) can be placed while using RT, but it sort of defeats some of the reason for RT in the first place, especially when for the most part, the difference isn't going to be noticed except for the significant performance penalty RT results in. I'd have personally preferred the silicon sacrificed for RT to be used for other things. Its cool, but still nowhere near to the speed needed for non-accumulation RT effects at good framerates and high resolutions, yet.
As an avid DL(1) player, I have been looking forward to the sequel for far too long & by the looks of it running on consoles, I'm ready again.
If only my laptop's dGPU didn't decide to die on me last year, I'd be able to enjoy this game on that 7yr old laptop of mine
Yeah I think I'll bounce right off this one if the only options are either a blurry mess or a stuttering mess. Were they really not able to tweak the settings in a way to make 1440p/60 an option at least? Is this some kind of jaw dropping super next gen leap in terms of visual fidelity? Because it doesn't look like it.
Wait for that fallout76 DEEP discount.
Wait for that fallout76 DEEP discount.
It looks awful compared to Miles Morales, which is open world and has RT but also 60 fps and 1440p. Just goes to show the power of optimization.
@@WolverineBatman stupid as f comparison
@@HonkeyKong54 how is it a stupid compression Spider-Man is bigger than this game. Horizon first dawn is 4k/60 fps… god of war too. I think horizon forbidden west might be 4k/60 fps too
I've been a fan of this type of game since the ill-received Dead Island. I just love it and Techland (a long double-A favourite of mine) have done a great job of evolving their games from Chrome onward...
Also, their superb support of Dying Light 1 over the years has me ready to put my money down on this as a day one purchase.
Same. The support for DL1 has been insane. Looking forward to jumping into 2.
I don’t understand why they didn’t apply dynamic scaling and 1440p with 60fps, sort of what Metro Exodus did WITH ray tracing
Thanks for again a good video!
One question, I like performance mode in the games when playing on my ps5. I have a 4k Sony TV. Do you know if some off those TV's make 1080p look better with some software? For me it looks like the visuals on my 4k screen with playing 1080p look much better then on a standard 1080p screen.
You would need a 1080p plasma tv it would look good then
Game looks good but I thought performance mode would be 1440p or close to it. Guardians of The Galaxy made a similar concession to performance options. 1440p is honestly close enough to me on my 4K TV but 1080p is when I more often notice the lack of detail. Series X should have had a 1440p uncapped frame rate mode instead (of 1944p) that lets users use VRR to smooth it out.
Dude, give me a timestamp please for unlocked framerate part
Apparently only metro exodus have been the only team to pull off all settings, 4k,60fps RT, developers can do it, they just don't want to take the extra time to do it
@@Mitocondriak I'm not asking for that level, without Ray tracing 1440p at 60fps for a modern game should be doable. A lot of other commenters are disappointed that 60fps is locked to 1080p.
@Alphacompton i agree, but i am simply saying that it was hyped that these features that are supposedly capable on next gen hardware isn't being seen on next gen games, because it isn't enforced or a standard, it basically a flex at this point, developers will only do it to show off they're "good developers" while others are simply relying on overpowed hardware to do the work they don't want to, when they can probably have max settings across the board, as orther developers have shown it to be possible, i believe these guys simply didn't have the time and resources to pull it off, many other developers i believe are simply waiting for UE5 so it makes it easier and could possible deliver better settings that what most developers are providing these days.
@@Mitocondriak it was not 4k ;].
Kind of shocked there’s not a 1440p 60fps mode for the next gen consoles & ray tracing is vastly overrated in my opinion.
you gotta see the big picture, look at those images, details and zombies and population amount... do you really think that it could be achieveable 60fps at 1440p with the hardware of these consoles? I dont think so dude... The series X and PS5 are comparable with a RTX 3060 or so...
@@onlineghost9813 This is just last gen graphics, on par with Dying light 1, no way it can't achieve 1440p 60fps.
Although i don't like Ubisoft, but the optimization of their games is quite good comparing to Dying light 2.
Raytracing in dying light 2 is nonsense like in gta traffic lights lol.
They had to ship on 7 consoles so that's 12 different modes of the game on console. They don't have the time or budget to perfectly optimise for next gen. Stuff like 1440p+/60 and RT60fps require ALOT of optimizations.
@@PursuedByAMemory Time or budget? They’ve had 7 years & WB is the publisher, Techland is not strapped for cash, plenty of other smaller devs do it, they don’t get a free pass.
Wish they would have pushed for 60 fps 1440p maybe reduced draw in distance or whatever to get it there , find that’s sweet spot on my 4K tv .
Please review the re4 hd project. It's an amazing work from a fan.
The biggest bummer for me is the lack of HDR on PS5 . How on earth is that possible in 2022???
series x as well
I’m praying that Techland can patch the game in the near future and make performance mode 1440p at a silky smooth 60fps locked. 1080p is a joke.
Don't get your hopes up. The first game had crap optimization on pc and was never improved with patches. This game looks like the same engine.
@@Dark-qx8rk Was it not fixed either with the free release of the "enhanced edition"? We bought that with a friend on a steam sale, played the entire game on coop, and I had no issues whatsoever at 1080p/60fps, can't remember if I had a 1060 or 1660ti at the time, but I had perfect 60fps with really low gpu usage. My friend didn't have any issues either and he has an rx 570 + ryzen 3 1200
They can't, the engine cant manage to do dynamic resolution, so forget about 1440 60 fps
@@fenix_tx_1342 The game was released in 2015 when the common gpu's were GTX 970/R9 390 or older and not sure about the cpu's and I know it was not easy to run 1080/60fps. Obviously 1660Ti/RX 570 were newer gpu's that would run the game better.
@@Dark-qx8rk The 970 trades blows with the 570 in most games though, specially older ones, the difference is like 20% at most, not double the performance or anything crazy.
Lol I know damn sure this game can run better than this. This game can't even run at full 4k on the series x but red dead redemption 2 which is open world and looks way more graphically impressive can run at 4k on a weaker xbox one x
DF, you should really consider doing the Last Gen versions. They're absolutely hilarious at how horrible they look, especially regular Xbone and PS4. Also it takes several seconds to just get into menu in game.
People Should have at least upgraded to the ps4 pro or Xbox one x by now. Those consoles are almost a decade old and were running outdated technology even when they released.
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That doesn't exactly matter. Those consoles were able to handle RDR2 which looks better and plays smoother than this game.
The TAA implementation in this game is phenomenal. The 1080p image looks great on a 4K tv. Especially on the 60fps mode.
they just need to add upscaling and optimize it to run at-least 1440p res/ 60fps by lowering some settings.
Originally I figured it would be no way I would play anything other than 60fps but at 1080p I'm seriously going to consider the resolution mode and just enjoy the visuals more
Bro im pissed, 60fps not even in 2k is a joke.
Guardians of the Galaxy is the one game I've decided to play at high resolution and 30fps, but that game is more about the story and visuals than gameplay. 1080p is hardly ideal, but it might be a valid sacrifice for a game with actual *gameplay*
Can’t believe people 1080p is bad. 4k is literally so overrated
@@tomohawkcloud 4K isn’t “overrated”. Only people who have insecurities say that term for anything they don’t like that’s popular.
4K isn’t bad if it’s an option. 1440p at 60+ fps is the sweet spot.
playing at 30fps a parkour zombie game... good luck bud
Wow. I’ve got to say, I am disappointed with the performance/quality mode options.
What do you advise me- Resolution or preform??
So when connected to a 1440p capable display does it upscale the 1080p when 1440p is forced in the settings or does it just switch resolution to 1080?
I like how Metro Exodus did open hub instead of open world. This game is to big for the tech it’s running on. I find 1080/60 on the next gen consoles unacceptable. Far Cry 6 runs 4K/60 on series x.
I thought techland would be much better then this, disappointing tbh 1440p minimum for 60 fps
That’s because Ubisoft have nothing else going for them other than visuals
I agree but this game is much more detailed and dense than far cry 6.
If the detail and texture quality of DL1 are any indicator, it’s probably because Far Cry 6 isn’t as complex. Guardians of the Galaxy also ran at 1080p 60 on PS5 and that game looked beautiful. People hear 1080p and it’s automatically bad these days. I’ll take a stable game at launch than 1440p dealing with dips to the low 50’s constantly. The fact that it’s so demanding on PC as well doesn’t sound like an optimization thing for consoles.
far cry 6 have barebones RT and on XBSX 3840x2160 and the lowest resolution found being approximately 3072x1728. is not 4k native fixed
Disappointed that Series S can't push 60 fps in this title. Hopefully they can patch something in with a later performance update but hopefully this isn't a new trend with other upcoming AAA titles.
Same here I’m very nervous for the future of my series s
@UCHVSfOA6-1_4YgQLCaTmmSA not only the s.
Buying a series s tsk tsk tsk foolish
@@MrPlayahata123 hey don't hate, it was affordable and findable, 2 things critical to any conscious gamer nowadays
@@NibbleMaster For real, Series S is an amazing console, especially for people that are hesitent to get into the next generation of consoles because "my One X is still supported".
The difference between last gen and Series S is insane already, and if more people would stop dogging on a THREE HUNDRED DOLLAR 1440p machine, we'd see less and less need to support last gen consoles.
Got to say that I'm really disappointed that the game is only 1080p in the 60 fps Performance mode. I expected at least 1440p, possibly 1800p. There's no mention of dynamic resolution scaling so presumably this game doesn't use it but it seems to me that this would be ideally suited to all the modes in this game allowing it run at a higher pixel count during busier moments. VRR on the Xbox Series X would also help here to maintain a smooth framerate in the 60 fps mode when the dynamic resolution does not kick in quick enough.
I'd feel more sorry for you if 90% of us weren't stuck with 1080p 30 as our only option.
@@thatotherdan9984 What, have all these 90% bought the fucking Series S?
Pretty sure I saw another video saying it does use vrr on the SX...not surprised Playstation Foundry here doesn't mention that if they dont
@@corwinsmith1502 wait so how does dl2 run on Xbox Series S?
PS5 and XSX versions are practically ports PS4 Pro and One X with an optional RT mode. This is the result of all the drama that surrounded this game/studio. What are they thinking trying to release such a subpar product in a massively competitive month? Icing on the cake for a PC player like myself is that they stealth revealed it will have Denuvo. Maybe Techland can fix this in a couple of years and make it worth people's time, but I doubt it.
1080p on Next -Gen 😟 Even with RT enabled shadows & AO you'd think they could push that higher especially seeing how they're capping it at 30. Gotta say i'm a little disappointed
"next gen'"
Current Gen!!!
PlayStation 5 and series x are current Gen.
Last Gen is playstation 4 and Xbox one.
yeah, it was ok if we had got 1080p at 60 plus RT and dynamic 4k at 60fps without rt considering that Metro EE is pretty much heavy as DL2 but it runs at dynamic 4k at 60fps with full RTGI and RT Shadows, that's unbelievable, but in some small and very rare scenarios ps5 drops the res to 1080p too keep the 60fps stable, and probably they saw that in some scenes the game would drop a lot of frames so they capped the res at 1080p even if the game could run at 1440p for the 95% of the time, that's cuz of the lack of dynamic res, same for the rt mode, i bet it could run at a MUCH higher res. Or the game is just bad optimized, for that we have to wait the pc review
@@raulsoftair3572 dsogaming has some early PC benchmarks. Looking real bad.
Smh
Like Demon's Soul PS5, played mostly 60fps, but dived a lot in the "quality 30fps' mode too (some areas & lighting looked soo gud)
True I actually play more in 30 fps mod it looks incredible
The skyscraper section of the game feels like it tanks the frame rate to sub-20 especially if you use the vents to shoot upward on the glider. With lots of tearing in some moments. (SeriesX quality mode)
I'm looking forward to DF revisiting DL2 in 2024 on the PS5 Pro and Series XT. Maybe we'll see ~4K/60 via AMD's latest FSR iteration along with some rt reflections in quality mode.
The Series ST with a beefed up 6 Tflop gpu and the latest FSR should provide budget gamers with a solid 60fps mode too. ...We're only two and a half years away boys! 😵💫
Although I’m a big proponent of higher fps vs higher resolution. 1080 just to get 60fps really blows!
And at first glance it doesn’t even really look all that more graphics intensive than the first game.
But I guess things might be different when actually playing the game.
I love the way insomniac does their modes, perfection 👌🏼
You almost sound surprised.
There's been no real advancement of any note since the OG XBox.
The last two gens have been nothing short of cash grabs. 14 years have passed and they've only just caught up to the equivalent of 2017 upper mid range PC gaming. Before then, they were still about 6-7 years behind because they milked the hell out of 7th gen and 8th gen was barely considered an upgrade, they were still considerably behind the yard stick.
Keep buying into this and nothing is going to change.
Bro it really doesn't look that much better than dying light 1 lol I just got done playing it and I'm playing it on switch and 2 barely looks better than even the switch version lol
@@HugoStiglitz88 Well gee whizz, of course it doesn't, you're playing it on literally the crappiest most watered down way to play the game.
Check out the Digital Foundry PC tech look of the game with the Ray Tracing switched on, to see what the developer really intended the game to look like.
Heck, you should even check out Dying Light 1 on PC 4K Ultra and it will look better than the sequel does on consoles.
Different sport man, your baseline is starting way off, so you won't know any better unfortunately.
@xyzo No it wasn't, what are you talking about? The GTX 1070 was a lower mid range in 2017 and getting old rapidly, not upper mid. The card was barely mid range when it was released, which was the year prior. A year is a long time in the GPU space and even longer in the console space, so by 2017, the 1070 was teetering on being a lower mid range card. The GTX 1080 was the true upper mid range card by then and then mid range by 2017 when the GTX 1080 ti was released.
The CPU's are a little bit more debatable, due to Moor's Law kicking in and improvements being extremely miniscule with each generation that came out.
The consoles had decent specs on release, but they were already obsolete and were going to age very quickly, as Nvidia's next line was on the way to coming out, which absolutely rofflestomped them. Consoles are always behind by default, it's just by how much. 8th gen was embarrassingly behind; 7th gen not so much so.
The bottom line is, we can see they're already struggling and what they sold to those who don't know as next gen, is not next gen at all. You're all only starting to see performance that PC players were seeing years prior and are always going to be behind.
Sure, you may start to see 4K 60 fps on High settings at best on later releases, but only for early 8th gen quality games, which are far less demanding. On average you'll manage only medium/high at 1440p upscaled 60fps for the mid cycle 8th gen stuff and Cyperpunk and this game has illustrated that they have to make cut backs for the late 8th gen projects approaching 9th gen, as the hardware clearly can't handle it, you're pegged to 1080p if you want 60 fps with the details turned up or they'll have to drop them quite a bit for the hgher res and framerate. You can't blame it on architectural differences anymore and developers not understanding the hardware, the consoles are bonafide PC architecture now. What you see is what you get.
The consoles are not as far behind as the XBox One and PS4 were at their respective releases, but they're still behind now.
PC players were enjoying top end 8th gen performance as early as 2015, to put things into perspective for you. Not saying they all could afford the tech at the time, but the hardware was on the table is all I'm saying.