Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- Possibly the most eagerly anticipated of platform comparisons - and the results are perhaps not what users might have been expecting. Assassin's Creed transitions to 60fps for Series X and PS5, but the challenges in delivering full frame-rate are clearly considerable. Meanwhile, Series S is pegged to 30fps...
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A week late to this, but honestly I think we all really appreciate a calm, objective and informative video these days.
The visuals are really nice but the animations feel largely outdated.
That’s always been my problem with assassins creed games
Terrible pop-in on that first horse riding scene.
I'd say, Unity probably has the most robust animation system so far
Unity had great animations. It changed with Origins and continued
@iSolvano HDR I mean compared to most other AAA games in this genre on the market, this feels behind
Most of these ppl fighting over these consoles don’t even own them yet , shits hilarious
Obviously cuz they're out of stock
Yes, but it's more tragicomic than simply just comic.
I own the best one!
@Jason Lee I have been gaming since the Sega Genesis. I just think it's funny these people have been fighting over these things when everybody should just enjoy these Consoles. I have got the series x and ps5. And I'm having a blast on both. The fanboys this time around just seem way more rampant than before.
Most people that really wanted a PS5 have them, more than 50% of my random friends on PSN are showing up with PS5s now.
Ok good, I thought I was the only one that thought Unity was the best looking AC game created (visually)
I thought everyone knew that
@@chrislopez5301 lol you’d think but ppl will continue to say the graphics was bad
If experts are saying it, you know it's true.
@@kingofkings1stfs it's because the performance was garbage but when it works its beautiful
That's a lot of dislikes for an objective analysis. Be mad at Ubisoft or Microsoft, not Digital Foundry
u mean 648 vs 12k
@@tahsin3590 ???
Console fanboys mad that their new console still does fake upscaled 4k. Not DF's fault kids !
Na df are definitely fanboys because they said the ps5 preforms better than the x box 🤓
@@MrHomel3ss nothing to be mad about when an open world game is 60 fps on console.
I gotta say I applaud Ubi's decision to target 60fps instead of native 4K
witcher 3 still looks far better.
Yeah, hope that's the path going forward, frame rate much more important than slightly sharper image.
It would be nice to have the option to select either
@@rmca11 No. 30fps is useless.
@@gameplayfirst6548 Not for people that prefer native 4k and extra fidelity. I’d still choose 60fps every day of the week.
3:14 RIP that One Bird
Bruh moment
Positive note, it’s great to see the series supporting 60fps finally on console and per object blur. I’d love to see these patched into past AC games.
7:55 "ahhh 1656p everyone's favorite resolution" cracked up at that one John
I used to use 1656x1080p for a long while on fortnite
Virtually nearly every one does lol
@@blazesmooth5573 that is 1656 by 1080. This is 1656 on the low end
@@blazesmooth5573 1656p at 16:9 is 2944 x 1656
Lucky my TV is natively 1656p
I keep seeing adverts for this game and it always says, “plays best on Xbox Series X”. 🤔🤔🤔...not according to the experts.
😂😂😂 XBox series L
@@My13ftnut both are great consoles tho so please no hate
@@HamzaAli-vs2ts yeah but they should stop saying its better on xbox then
it clearly is not
@@ThePaypay88 The keyword here is optimization.
Also the Series X consoles uses a new GDK. While the PS5 uses pretty much the same base as the PS4 which makes it a lot easier to optimize and code for.
Have a good day
@@jayjordan5515 lol no. PS5 doesnt use same base as ps4. This is actually why ps4 ports cant go 120 fps that easily ( but they do go on xbox ) . Keyword is here some people cant accept the fact sony has designed better machine while MS was just doing shitty PR on Teraflop numbers
Can you please revisit this with the new patch that was just released? I’ve noticed much better overall performance! I suggest going to Jorvik at night in the city centre, and take out your torch while walking around. This tanked the XSX pre patch, now it’s a smooth 60!
PS5 continues to push above it weight! Impressive!
*CPU*
3.5 Ghz vs 3.8 Ghz (+2.3% for XSX)
*RAM*
448GB vs 336GB + 560GB (22% PS5 on 3.5 GB and +22% XSX on 10GB) (impact/results of this still unknown)
*SHADER COMPUTE*
10.2TF vs 12.2TF (+16.7% XSX)
*GPU CLOCK* (this is important because it's tied to the speed of all GPU caches and other components in the GPU)
2.23 Ghz vs 1.8Ghz (+21% PS5)
*GPU TRIANGLE RASTER* (billions/s)
8.92 vs 7.3 (+20% PS5)
*GPU CULLING RATE* (billions/s)
17.84 vs 14.6 (+20% PS5)
*GPU PIXEL FULL RATE* (Gpixels/s)
142 vs 116 (+20% PS5)
*GPU TEXTURE FILL RATE* (Gtexels/s)
321 vs 379 (+16% XSX)
*SSD RAW*
5.5GB vs 2.4GB (+78% PS5)
As you can see, there are areas that the PS5 has advantage, its just that these areas are usually dismissed because none of the companies really talks about them since it's easier to market "TF"s. But TFs are just one part of a render pipeline as you can see above. And everything you can do faster along that pipeline, means you finish the specific task faster.
There is also the fact that having a higher clocked GPU means that the PS5's GPU caches are faster. That potentially increases effective memory bandwidth.
And i have only listed all the on-paper stuff, and not any of the custom stuff like the IO complexion of the PS5 or the tempest engine. All things thar handle tasks that are otherwise done by CPU freeing up CPU cycle on the PS5. Most people dismiss stuff like this because they dont understand them. Bt these things all play a role in what ends up on our screens.
@@Mollyizdrunk cool stuff.
@@stabinghobo57 😉✌️
@@Mollyizdrunk so which one better
@@freznc7505 the one which u think is best.. For you.. And which gives u the best next gen experience with all aspects
Get the popcorn lads!
It's already poppin
😀🍿
14:19
Lol
I'm bringing the drinks. Y'all want anything?
Eeeeaaaa!!!
I feel like it would've made more sense for the Series S if it targeted more than 30fps but aimed for 1080p
Sadly this is a dev choise. I prefer lower res and high fps tho
@@LageAfonso try preferring lower res on a 4k 50 inch display...nahhhh
@@joshooahh I have a 50 inch tv and 1080p is still great.
@@joshooahh That's incredibly tiny for a 4K tv. You must use it for a computer monitor or something?
@@urbanmidnight1 no it isn't. Especially 2 meters from the screen
12:14 - Death from a thousand tears
He's playing in 4k on PS5 ??
@@murilo9878 yea
No, this fits much more - 14:09
@@murilo9878
Dynamic res
Its the time Xbox Unlockd the Memory and Core clock... PS5 GPU feel like Pc gpu from that Adaptive Clock speed... But yeah Xbox have good stable and Good cooling.. That why they Not Make adaptive Like ps5 but its better if Xbox Unlockd it..
Jesus thats embarassing. Most powerful console my ass. Look at those frame drops on Series X.
they have fixed everythink by now and no screen tearing eather, series has 60 fps enabled... its just the studios got the series x and s late when developmin game and they got to optimize the game for new xboxes way too late
“It’s dangerous to rely on teraflops as an absolute indicator of performance”
- Mark Cerny (Road to PS5 presentation)
“We’ll let the games do the talking”
- Jim Ryan (PS5 future of gaming event)
I tried to tell the fanboys but they didn't listen...
The PS5 is not doing magic and is not more powerful.
Devs are simply experiencing some difficulties while adapting to the Xbox's new development environment.
The same does not happen with PS5 because Sony left theirs basically unaltered.
If you really believe this is going to be the norm you're going to be hugely disappointed, *especially* when AMD finally releases their alternative to DLSS.
@@ThouzandWattz
Imagine calling other people fanboys while spreading misinformation about your console of choice's hardware.
Chill peeps. It's clearly the devs fault. X has more horsepower. Don't read too much into this, and be assured, ps5 is weaker.
@@pjamateus New COD runs better on the PS5 as well. That on the devs too?
Ironic that Xbox and Ubisoft marketed this game a lot together with their new console but it runs worse on it.
Makes the victory THAT much sweeter and the XBOT tears that much SALTIER :)
How so? In this video where is it running worse on it?
Bruh that's true lmfao 😂😂😂
@@dmd2317 at 11:20
@Grizmark Series x ran dmc5 better did you even watch the video lol.
Wheres the 12 tf power minions? Lmao 😂
Bruv its optimization issues
Give it some time
Why am i saying this to a ps fanboy who cant comprehend what any thing to back xbox means
@@obsessedplayer1208 I know, they literally explained in this issue it's a development issue, not a console issue.
Still waiting still waiting. Now Xsx res is dropped to 1080p to reach 60fps still waiting.
@@samisaacs9425 they have fixed those issues but to achieve that ,they reduced resolution to 1080p
11:50 RIP Xbox Series X.
This has been fixed with the latest patch. They need to update this video
@@wulfom
Yeah right lol. Look at Dirt 5, look at Black Ops , look at Devil May Cry the list goes on and on. The bottom line is Xbox is a piss poor console for multiplats
“It’s dangerous to rely on Teraflops as an absolute measure of performance” The mans words have aged incredibly well.
He had the experience, the money and Sony's trust after the successful PS4, Mark Cerny will set his name in stone as the best videogame system designer in history.
He's a well respected for his technology design capability. Sony clearly got the right man at the right role.
I agree completely. Cerny is a legend.
Mark Cerny was also the lead architect for PS Vita which in terms of hardware is amazing.
Yep and people don't realise that the audio and decompression from the SSD are offloaded from the CPU and GPU hence the PS5 may be a 2 terflop less (no that it means a lot in the real world) but when more resources are freed up then well, is it really slightly less powerful? ;)
Now this is interesting. I was expecting a slight disadvantage for the PS5, given it's lower CU count. It'll be interesting to see if this is something to do with Assassin's Creed or if it applies to cross gen games in general.
I think the closer both consoles are to each other in terms of performance, the better. I'd rather make my pick based on the games catalogue than technical superiority.
Another person who speaks English. Thank you.
It applied to 120fps modes of COD:BOCW and DMC5 as well
I was actually going to buy a series x for this game because people were saying it’s native 60, but after watching this that’s not the case
Frequency largely negated the CU advantage.
@@averagecartoonfan3519 The fact is that the xbox devkits came to the developers very late, so there are performance problems
There will be no further such problems:)
Some people are delusional thinking that some dev tools updates will bring 30% more power to the Series X.
How ridiculous is to think that MS would release a brand new console, market it as the more powerful for months, and at the same time take 30% of performance away ?
They have to work now on two Xbox consoles instead of just one ps5. I think Sony made the right choice with two ps5 that are almost identical.
@@ChileanSpartanUSA Work with 2 different consoles puts a burden for sure. Still, it is totally realistic to think that some magic will make the Series X to perform 30% more.
its the most powerfull xbox now, they changed the marketing from most powerful console ever lol. what this means is ubi will just lower the game graphics settings just like they did with wildlands because xbox one couldnt cope with the drawing distance, now the game even on pc looks like a potato mush at distance.
That's not what they're saying. It's not '30% of performance', it's the learning process needed to fully optimise games for Series X. And that's not the marketing version of 'optimise', it's the development version.
@@samcooke343 some fanboy channels are literally saying PS5 lead won’t last, and that SX will have 30 to 40% advantage in the future. That will never happen.
I don't get why people would dislike DF videos. They are essentially one of the best 'numbers' guys when it comes to the games industry when you want to get into the nitty gritty technical aspects of a game and/or console. Not all videos need to be funny or exciting - sometimes you just need to sit back and listen to some DF and nod along.
some fanbois are just being mad I guess
They probably dislike the game itself, not the video
Every video in the world that's more than 1k views has dislikes
Microsoft fanboys are the biggest propaganda merchants out there ofc they would dislike
Really enjoying these daily uploads!
Bruh
@@spunky5999 bruh?
I agree monke
@@jacoblterry who cares? Their videos are always quality , if you want daily uploads go watch ign with their garbage
@@jacoblterry you're right, and you should teach them a lesson by never coming here and commenting again.
As a PS5 owner, I was actually thinking that Valhalla will run better on Series X since they are a partnership with each other and I buy the PS5 just for the exclusive. But now it seems I got even better deal apart from demon souls and Spiderman. It seems that Ubisoft forgot to fully optimised Series X.
It's sdk issues.
Devs got them late for Xbox.
Ubisoft just needs a patch. But with it being ubishit, good luck on that. I even think the ps5 could be doing better as well
Microsoft made a TeraFlops console but forgot make a game console.
They didn't even optimize the PS5 either. Did you know that series x has to use half of its teraflops just for audio. The reason PS5 is performing better is cause of its high clock speeds. Makes me wonder what Xbox fanboys are going to say now? Probably they are going to say its the devs fault. Imagine if cyberpunk runs better on PS5.
@@nighttimestalker "Optimized for SeriesX" not being toxic. Ubisoft never had a perfectly optimized game.
@@sherwinjerome8518 the reason why xbox is not doing well right now is because of development tools. They waited for RDNA2 while PS5 took advantige to make development tools.
Damn I was annoyed by the slight cutscene tearing on my ps5 version but poor xbox owners have it so much worse. Ubisoft needs to get their act together.
Freesync
@Ali Hadi Babar
You're not supposed to, U.
Its not the consoles or the game they said in an article they use a standard display without vrr or allm...this article also said when played on a lg cx which has vrr all the issues disappeared....funny how that happened...the main point they should have said is this game and future next gen games will need a tv or display that has vrr or things like that...but no...the consoles have problems.
@@Revan-88 I'd say it's AC Valhalla not the console or tv. Demon's souls, spiderman and miles morales don't tear at all.
@@bethbearmacethatguy its not the console its the game not optimized i remember when i played old assassin's creed iv black flag its tearing too ubisoft is bad at optimizing their games
Very professional and technical analysis! Congrats
So, the "marketing game" of Xbox runs better on PlayStation...🤔
You mean cyberpubk?
@@matsta177 nop, AC valhalla was a game that MS used on a Xbox event, and kept advertising in the following months until launch...
Basically yeah
Looks like Ubisoft spent more time optimizing for PS5 than XSX. The Xbox is capable of so much more.
@@nolangeorge921 but ms made a deal with ac no?
The fact Miles Morales loads in like 3 seconds, and this takes above 20 makes me think this game isn't as Optimised as it could be.
P.S STOP FIGHTING!!!
Yea exactly it’s not
@UCjgT-kRwqgaxxDPXkshY33A 100% this is a cross gen mess
Only PS5 exclusives will load that fast
@@chasethechosenone8478 miles Morales is cross gen too tho
I think only PS exclusives will have that super fast loading.
Cerny is a genius.
🙄
Then he wouldn’t have all the PS5 issues going on right now....
@@TwoLiterSoda if you spend more time in gaming than Twitter you wouldn’t see all these “issues “
Will you recheck the game with newer patches?
Xbox the most powerful console ever
2nd torch: im gonna ruin this consoles whole career
The next move I see is Microsoft buys Sony
@@Magnum-Gaming haha not a chance.
@Chair Force I don't think you know how it works.
@@Magnum-Gaming You wish! Because that way they finally make a good console and good games.
@@Magnum-Gaming thats not how business works
Microsoft: Look at all these games “OPTIMIZED “ for our console...
DF: Yeah about that
"Optimized for Series X". Runs better on Ps5*. Joking. Ubisoft optimization is shit
THE WORLD’S MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE!👀👀🌝🌝
Someone understood nothing, it seems...
@@phloppywhoppy7476 don’t be salty the ps5 is doing better, it’s okay to be mad
@@frustratedplayer
I play on PC, buddy. What triggers me is your ignorance, simple as that.
It’s crazy how much better Ghost of Tsushima looks than AC Valhalla.
@fuck you and yet ubishit fan boys(specially PC fan boys) claim AC games look best and AC Odyssey to be better looking than Ghost of Tsushima. May be out of jealousy that GoT isn't available on PC.
Really? You should do side by side video of two videos. Valhalla has much more detail overall. GoT is a more flat art style which is fine and may suit you but fidelity wise Valhalla is much better
Ghosts is better than AC in every way
@@musty8748 Maybe in gameplay and artstyle but not it graphical fidelity.
And still Xbox Series X has performance issues.
18:13 15%? lowest was 46 to 60, surely this is more like 22% slower?
If you read the their full review on eurogamer in certain places/conditions PS5 can even perform 25% better than Series X
I think it's 15% slower on average
The problem is not because XsX but AS Valhalla
@@sevendayes Not true lol, the Valhalla if anything would be more optimized for the Series X.
@@XperiencePureness which is technically impossible (40 percent slower performing hardware comparing to the hardware spec predicted performance?) hence the game was not yet optimized for Xbox or wasn't optimized properly
“It is dangerous to rely on Teraflops as an absolute indicator of performance...” -Mark Cerny (Road to Ps5 presentation)
trying to explain that to xbox people was impossible as all they could see was 12 is a bigger number than 10. I said it over and over that you won’t see the difference graphically and i was correct!
All Xbox is, is buzzwords. Shitty console.
i thought people were over hyping mark cerny but they were probably right. he is a legend in the industry and has been around for decades. sony must be glad to have him. even the ps4 is doing crazy things like running games like ghost of tsushima. it really does feel like theres some invisible magic shit in the console sometimes. i think we're going to see some amazing stuff on ps5.
That logic is irrelevant when it comes to comparing these consoles. Yes, TF is not the only benchmark, but new features (like RDNA 2) that motivate Cerny's logic are available in both consoles. In fact, as I understand it, PS5 doesn't even have full RDNA 2 but that's beside the point. If a 10 TF PS5 machine would be equal to a 12 TF PS4 machine, then the same logic applies to Xbox, if not more so.
What we're seeing here has absolutely nothing to do with the PS5 being more powerful or more capable of hitting high resolutions at higher framerates. If I were to guess, I'd say that the PS5 (based on what we've heard) is easier to develop for from generation to generation. So a cross-gen game that was designed for previous gen consoles likely doesn't even make use of the new features these consoles provide & since Xbox One code (supposedly) doesn't translate as well to Series X code like PS4 code translates to PS5 code, we see a visible difference in performance.
This is not MS' doing. This is not the Series X being incompetent. And it is absolutely *NOT* the PS5 being "more powerful". This is a clear case of bad optimization & lack of understanding of new hardware. I mean, AC Unity literally ran at the same resolution on Xbox One & PS4, yet for some odd reason the One had better performance. Did that mean TF "didn't matter & it's dangerous to rely on it as an absolute indicator of performance", or worse, that the PS4 was less powerful? Absolutely not. It's the exact same thing.
Seriously, we're seeing the exact same thing happen to the loading speeds on these consoles. Most games, especially BC games, load *significantly* faster on the Series consoles, even though PS5's SSD is over two times as fast on paper. Why is nobody saying "it is dangerous to rely on GB/s as an absolute indicator of performance"? Clearly the CPU matters too but no one is saying anything about that. In fact they're all saying "iT's NoT oPtImIzEd YeT fOr PS5" even though none of these games were optimized for Series X neither. Does anyone truly expect that the Series X will continue to outperform the PS5 in speed later down the line? No. Once devs make use of those compression methods, I think we all know PS5 will be faster.
This is the same when it comes to performance. There's absolutely no doubt that the Series X is substantially more powerful than the PS5 in pretty much every single way (GPU, CPU, RAM). Sony's marketing excuses (that may technically be correct) that he was CLEARLY just saying b/c Xbox beat them with more powerful hardware is not going to change that.
I do not care that one console is more or less powerful than the other, but I do care that people are being honest about it & don't take marketing quotes completely out of context.
@@garybodell464
trying to explain that to ps people was impossible as all they could see was 5.5 is a bigger number than 2.4. I said it over and over that you won’t see the difference in speed and i was correct!
I've been following closely the ps5 vs sx power debate and it was clear the ps5 wasn't as weak as most people thought, but damm... this is impressive!
@Cryer24597 the series x consistently runs 10fps lower than the ps5, clearly on paper it’s more powerful, in practice it isn’t
@Cryer24597 Microsoft might want to lay off the whole "optimized for series X" tagline til they figure out how to optimize better than their competition. I think there's some merit to what you're saying though. I guess we'll just have to wait and see!
@Cryer24597 stop with the excuses and just acknowledge the fact that the ps5 is just as impressive as the series x. Like dude it’s okay both systems at the end of the day look and play great.
@Cryer24597 better you to save this 'optimization excuse' because it will be needed for a long time
@Cryer24597 😴
I really enjoy these vids..thx
Are you going to review big Navi? There's been a noticeable absence of AMD coverage on the channel as of late.
I’d love to know how you record and render your gameplay. Looks so crisp.
Unfortunately RUclips kills it immediately.
Their patreon is well worth it for direct downloads.
I know they do have some videos talking about their capture process.
@@AlienwareGaming that's not worth it at all. Why would I need their videos directly downloaded? Lol
@@kobeandgary Well it is not exactly necessary. But it makes sense for people who might want to watch their videos in original quality. Since this video is a technical video which involves game graphics it makes sense for people to want to see the raw material. I am gonna use whatsapp as an analogy. Imagine you take a picture with your phone. When you send it to someone the image quality is lower than the quality you send. Same thing here.
@@kobeandgary cause you can watch the raw video without any compression. that way you are getting the DIRECT quality of recording from the console
Marc Cerny is the main man
Full respect
A 12 TF PS5 would be more powerful than a 10 TF PS5 though, you do realize that, right ?
@@gamerxt333 true but a 6 tflop Xbox never was better than a 4tflop PlayStation the cycle just repeats itself
@@gamerxt333 this comment made me sad 😢 I guess they lost a lot on the ssd, lets hope we see it's worth and their vision for it in games soon.
@Hannibal B what’s wrong about it then
@Hannibal B so the Xbox better than the ps5 at audio, clocks, Rasterization,ssd speed, latency in the memory cache,heat management,haptics and controller in general,UI resolution,wifi,Bluetooth,?
It's absolutely insane that the PS5 digital edition goes for $399! I have no idea how that's even possible.
it is a full system,.. Sony just hopes you buy at least 2 games a year,... 400 is insane,..
@JohnDoe 1 yep I think they be loosiing money,.. but in the long run they are ok,..
Games cost now 70 to 80 dollars.
@@MrRaitzi That's a great point.
It's sold at loss, they lock you into digital games and make their money back on your 2nd game purchase. It's pretty smart. They sold PS3 at huge loss as well. I'll be buying the disc version for absolute certain. Reselling my games is a big deal.
Teraflops aren't everything Xbox gpu having higher teraflops because it has higher compute units than ps5 gpu but people seems to forget that the ps5 gpu is clocked at 2.23GHz where the series x is clocked at 1.825 GHz so depends on the game engine/code, libary/api etc higher clock speed could give you an edge even if your GPU has less compute units
Less CU's working faster are always better than more CU's running slower. Cerny knew this.
Also this game is optimized poorly on every platform, including pc.
@@MasDouc hey I'm no tech genius, but wouldn't that mean that in the long run those less CU's will die faster since they a doing more work?
I'm just asking, like I said I'm no tech genius.
@@ludwigtheslayer5081 interesting question.
An egde not many would even give a shit about. I only give a shit about the games. If the switch was launched with these two I would still buy a switch for zelda botw and mario odyssey.
Mark Cerny is like, "I told them Mfkers not to worry about Tflops".
we didn't hear a word from him since his presentation and somehow he's destroying people left and right.
😂😂
Meanwhile Spencer would say 'consoles don't matter, buy our new console, consoles suck by the way'.
Oh, you just wait. The numbers don't lie. I would imagine this is a patchable, quick fix. The tech in the boxes are the numbers that won't lie. Better hardware will manifest it self when the software is in tune with the tools it's given.
@@erenfokinyeetger9625 Cerny Just has the Knack.. ;)
I love how people think ps5 is not rdna2, yet Mark Cerny and Lisa Su both stated it being rdna2. Forgot, on the web, some fanboy knows more about architectural engineering than the people who made the tech.
Well, it literally misses some key RDNA 2 features, in addition to dedicated hardware for machine learning, which will prevent the console from using AMD's alternative to DLSS 2.0.
That's pretty huge if you ask me.
lol fubby nruh.
@@phloppywhoppy7476
Pretty sure PS5 has that too... Cerny mentioned it during "Road to PS5" talk. So prepare to be disappointed when consoles both get AI or ML super-scaling or super-resolution like Nvidia DLSS 2.0.
@@phloppywhoppy7476 RDNA2 has no dedicated hardware for machine learning. That would imply theres some kind of "machine learning cores" in the hardware such as NVIDIA's tensor cores. There isn't and PS5 has the full rdna2 SMs (streaming multiprocessors).
What microsoft is implying by Series X and Series S having the full rdna2 featureset is DirectX12 Ultimate. DirectML happens to be part of the DirectX12 Ultimate API but theres no reason Sony couldn't implement similar in their custom APIs.
@@phloppywhoppy7476 At the same time though Sony's checkerboard rendering is the only real technology that has kept up with DLSS and presumably won't be going away anytime soon. I'm not sure that AMD's tech, especially in it's early years, is going to keep up with Sony's progress on that front.
It’s interesting going from a 100+ hour playthrough on base PS4 to this.
Thanks 4 a great analysts gameplay video guys.
I love ass creed games in general & I'm hyped 2 see if this surpasses odyssey over all.
U was really happy 2 see that odyssey got the 60fps by boost on both ps5 & xsx. That boost is a real gameplay changer 4 me & I'm hoping that both farcry 4, 5 , syndicate, black flag, origins & every other creed game gets that glorious 60fps boost on next gen consoles.
Until your next video guys all of t you start safe bless 😁👍🙏💯👍👍👍👍👍👍
So, what we see: the most powerful console runs cod, AC and DMC worse than ps5, I didn't expect this.
The PS5 has much better games too it’s not even a comparison... everyone with the right mind would go for ps5
Lol its not about the teroflops its about the overall performance, the only thing the XSX has over ps5 is backwards compatibility because sony is looking to the future with next gen, plus I didnt buy a ps5 to play old gen games 😂🤣😂
@@a2fverse346 I know more than a thousand games, but i also have no clue what he means xD
@@a2fverse346 it was DMC probably lol
This literally happens every generation.
This is the type of content i love DF doing. No damage control, no speculation and just telling it how it is as shown on screen. Keep it up
Even tho I don’t have true 4k captures talking about 4k lawls
Yeah, They recently did some damage controlling XSX but in this video, they told the truth. Congrats on them.
Cyberpunk has been doing most on their advertising through the xbox platform i want to see what the comparison between ps5 and series x looks like there.
Now that’s gonna be interesting.
@@franlomas2010 the ps5 and series x patches are a fair way off. I plan on waiting for the upgrade patch before I play the game. and NC Wire has been a consistant stream of info that kinda dulls the senses a bit too much before it's release but i understand that cdpr need the publicity. but i highly doubt there will be any difference really, and if there is it will only be vs ps4 and standard xbox one.
PS5 gonna crush SeXbox in Cyberpunk, I bet all the delays are because of Microsoft and their idiotic idea to release x4 weaker next gen console.
@@BITCOIlN The series X would do really great running Cyberpunk just as PS5 will. It's not a weak console at all.
Cyberpunk will run with on bc mode based on PS4 Pro and the One X. If things go accordingly to the pattern, PS5 will run it at a checkboarded 1440p (because of the PS4 Pro) and the One X can be the same or higher. We have to wait the next-patches next year to truly compare the XSX and PS5.
If the series X is already performing worse in multi platform games compared with the PS5, I can imagine how the situation will be for the series S for future games. I don't know how Microsoft got to decide to launch the series S, this console will cause a lot of problems for Xbox.
they should ditch the series s and make a series x digital edition.
agreed, they should just keep one X or whatever was the upgrade to last gen as the middle ground and go from there
LOL. PS5 doesnt have clouds like Xbox X, even The Sun dont look so good
@@PyramidHead1999 i guess is due to the dynamic weather the game has
Atleast series s is not bricked like ps5 😂😂😂
These guys say clearly it performs and runs better on PS5 and you still have goofs in the comment section talkin about "false" "xbox is better". Really weird people
They're now in the denial stage after grieving for the lost TFLOPS lol
Soon will be pain and guilt, then anger and begging microsoft to find the TFLOPS.
@@SkemeKOS like it’s been said the developers didn’t have much with the new Xbox developer tools because they remade the whole think while
PlayStation didn’t so it was easier to make games for next gen for PlayStation the Xbox exclusives we have run really well with 4K 60 like sea of thieves and gears of war it’s just third party games for now
And the fun part is that according to xbots valhalla is unoptimised on series x. But they fail to realise that valhalla is equally as unoptimised on ps5 as well but ps5 is still out performing series x by a heft margin. It's basically a locked 60 on ps5 with rare dips to mid 50's. And according to nx gamer ps5 constantly runs higher resolution when compared to series x.
@@deepinsight1175 un optimized because developers had a couple of months to work with the dev kits maybe a year while with PlayStation they had like 8 years the developer kits for the Xbox are completely new unlike PlayStation so it’ll take a while for third party games to make it run to its full power, because honestly the Xbox is a much more powerful console that’s literally a fact but it’s also a fact that 3 of the most recent games run a lil better on PlayStation so with the correlation you can see something is up not hating on PlayStation either I had the originals 1-3 since I was 2 so js
@Night Recon have u seen how sea of thieves runs on the new xbox ? Mate it looks gorgeous 4 k 60 in something I consider one of the biggest open world games
They should just continue using checkerboarding if they can't actually hit native 4k. it looks more impressive than seeing resolution drop all the time.
.... you can notice resolution drops? Yea ok lol
You're sitting too close!!, your eyes shouldn't touch the screen.
@@jukins6543 you can't see edges getting softer? Textures losing, well, texture? It's pretty easy to see resolution drops if the drop stays that way for any large amount of time during gameplay action.
@@jukins6543 don't know why you're doubting this, but dynamic resolution drops are very noticeable especially when you try to hit high framerate. i haven't played Valhalla so i wouldn't be able to tell you if I can see it but I wouldn't doubt the guy.
play a pc game that supports dynamic resolution (Doom, Apex Legends, Etc) you'll see
They should give us the same.options PC has, and also allow us to play at 1440p 60 or 4k 30 or whatever
Looking back at this, the load times have really been improved with the subsequent patches. Now it takes from 5 to 10 secs depending on the area.
I got it on Series X instead of PS5 because I expected the Xbox version to perform better. This comparison is intriguing.
Glad to see a good reaction for once
@@earthinthecomments4944 weren't most of the bad reactions made from you?
Same I don’t think they really optimised the game for next gen
don't believe everything you hear. It's called marketing.
@@spookyreaper1702 it’s funny how Xbox had special promotion for the game and yet it performs better on the PS5
My takeaway: Ubisoft needs to spend more time on this game lol
or on their engine. Should just switch to UE5
Or port the PC game to Xbox
And Xbox needs to show where the 1,72 Tflops have gone.
Dude can we please let them fix Watchdogs first?
@@Yourmomazz ask Ubisoft. The game doesn't even run on 4k60 with an RTX3080 on PC. Without raytracing
So let’s get this right, the ps5 performs better( on this game at least ) and has / will have better exclusives and has the better controller ? Hmmm 🧐 where dem 2 extra tflops at ? 😂 I can see the series s being discontinued within 18 months
@Peter Demetriou
TF ≠ performance. When will you console gamers learn this.
@@PedoBear1811 I was only kidding about that part !
@@peterdemetriou2263 you6r don't need to explain that actually it was quite obvious. 👍
Those 2 tflops are quarantined.
You guys are the only game tech guys I trust! Nice work!!
I'd like to see this revisited with the latest patch to see if anything changed or if it's still the same story(especially since the patch notes specifically refer to screen tearing and fps consistency as issues adressed).
After the patch game runs smoother and better, definitely. But i assume they won't do another video :)
@@NEALESHA86 That's why I don't put much stock in these types of videos, 20 years ago, when patches weren't common, these videos made sense, but now when we know that patches to fix bugs/performance issues are almost inevitable, it seems weird to compare the games at release when we know they are likely a patch or two, or ten away from completion.
The PS5 version killed a bird on horseback at 3:15 I don't see that type of epic performance coming out of the Series X.
Lol, good catch. Bird got absorbed into the horse.
You are just a weakstation bot! You will see 20% more bird killing epic performance on the Series X when the game is optimised for the XSX the only next gen console 🙄
It's not the console it's the devs
@@yomamasohot6411 Guess I better wait for the PS5 Pro for max birds then. Or maybe they'll make a Xbox Series X One X next. Microsoft really knows how to advertise with their names.
@@drogon2988 so many Xs makes me think it is a porn console than a gaming console. And the "theoretically 20% more powerful than the ps5" is edged into my memory because of the Ryan guy on IGN. He is such an idiot 😂
IMPOSSIBLE !!!
THERE'S MUST BE SECRET GPU IN PS5 HUGE HEATSINK !!!
Or may be architectural differences
@@shinobiowl3207 both are equally important.
Sony has 13TF, what they dont tell us because they now than xbox will make a stronger gpu.
This is the only reason to buy a xbox. Because more powerful.
Sony will end xbox entire career.
@MonsterKat the gpu and custom processor can over clock up to , it’s a variable clock speed and power
@@paulsantibanez525 stop lying the ps5 doesn't have a 13tflops gpu lol
Red Dead 2 looks better than this game. That really confuses me.
Well I mean hell it's a rockstar game. Any rockstar game is meant to last for 7 plus years. I wouldn't be surprised if red dead 2 would be graphically up to date until like 4 more years.
@@damianc669 make it 7
@@damianc669 Yeah but at the same time. We're talking a PS4 with 1.4TFlops on that piece of shit jaguar APU, Vs 10.5TFlops on a Custom Navi GPU. Ubisoft are just incredibly lazy sometimes. Their games should automatically look better than any third party game on PS4 and it doesn't. It looks like shit.
God of War...
@@danielhosianna2633 Well Yeah, but Red Dead and Assassin's Creed are of the same genre, they both have large open worlds that load in the same way. God of War is a much more optimised experience since you experience areas in segments, so that game really by design should look amazing.
Hey John if you had to recommend one of these systems to purchase right now which one do you recommend that someone can have the most fun with
Mark cerny
You Frickin genius
*Cerny.
Mark Cerny
Absolute madlad
You did it again
Casual
Mark Cerny has 100k teraflops of power with RDNA 1000
@@Wifixsmasher448 yeah . he is the ps100
Yea this is why I waited until these reviews came out before buying. If the series S can’t even hit 60 FPS at 1080P on a last gen game, I can’t imagine it ever hitting 60 FPS for the next gen games in 3-6 years from now. I’ll probably go for the PS5 once they release the slim model
Same !
Or a series X. Although I'm with you, I was wondering why there wasn't any Series S coverage, when there was so much Series X stuff
very smart move
I'm sure "Series S(cam)" will get outdated in about 3 years.
Same!
It was a Mega Flop for the Teraflops!!!
We tried to tell them.
"worlds most powerful console" bullshit!
Well I think Sony did a better job with PS5 than everybody expected.
Not everybody, only XBots who still believe Phil Spencer after 7 years of lies.
@@kraenk12 so true!
Only a small vocal minority expected PS5 to perform badly
So much for counting teraflops 😂
And I think Microsoft did a better job with a inferior SSD than everybody expected, both consoles surprised me tbh
Dynamic 1440 - 2160 60fps is this Gens story and I'm all over it. Love it.
yes 60fps, you know da wae
Completely agree with that. I'm also glad to see some 120fps options as well.
We're gonna see a lot of 60fps games now because everything's cross gen and these consoles have the CPU grunt to scale games to 60fps. Once the cross gen titles stop I wouldn't be surprised to see a return to 30fps.
@@TheSterlingArcher16 you may be right. We may still have the choice
@@TheSterlingArcher16 by that tiime a pro version will be out
Very interesting results! Nice work!
Question: Does the thermal cooling have anything to do with performance? Imagine the Series X with liquid metal
It doesn't affect anything because both Series X and PS5 do not throttle from high temperatures. It's all hardware.
“Optimized for Xbox series x” 😂
@@gingerale7729 no excuse ... hardly optimised for ps5 either . Still wins
@@gingerale7729 used old dev kits lmao, you can't make this shit up.
@@emc3150 The Series X with it's superior bandwidth can hit higher more consistent resolutions It has the faster CPU and the more powerful GPU. If your logic of PS5 having a faster less powerful GPU was the best solution you would choose a 2060 super over a 2080 series card on a PC as it is possible to clock the 2060 super to higher frequencies as you can with many less powerful PC GPU's . It still doesn't outperform the higher end card though when drivers are like for like. In any case the best news really is these consoles will continue to improve in many aspects and before too long 60 fps should be the norm for framerates going forward. By this time next year you can bet we will all be happy as games will be 60 fps consistently with 120 fps consistent options for the most part.
@@emc3150 I swear I’ve never laughed as hard at RUclips comments like I am reading these
@@gman5218 lol no one cares though but fanboys like you. So I’m just laughing at y’all being so pathetic
As a Series X owner...this was a pretty harsh gut punch :|
Ah well...still enjoying my console and won't let this get me down too much.
EDIT: For those replying, I should clarify that I still very much so love the series x. Hell, I own a series s and even that I've enjoyed as a secondary machine for my office. At the end of the day, these are just games we're supposed to enjoy. I'm not gonna sweat a handful of dropped frames. That's the very reason I walked away from PC gaming (I was fiddling with HWMonitor and Rivatuner more than the games themselves).
Cheers and happy next gen gaming to everyone here - regardless of your console of choice 😊
Sell ur sx and buy ps5 😄
Remember its brand new generation, as we head into the gen both consoles will be seeing even better performance as games are developed solely for them.
Also benefits the PC bois when games no longer need to take the past generation into mind.
I've been talking shit in this comment section, but in all seriousness this doesn't matter in the long run.
Fuck Ubisoft, none of these versions should have screen tearing or cinematics stuttering. Their poorly made games, their fake "woke" public image but secretly white straight man club reality, their treatment of employees including sexual harrassment and drugging employees without their consent, ignoring/protecting bad executives......just fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Ubisoft.
This doesn't matter, a graph shouldn't dictate how much fun you're getting out of it.
Coming from a Sony fan. Not fanboy, just a fan. Getting my PS5 tomorrow, I am surprised and happy that the game runs well on both consoles and even a bit better on PS5. But I am so over this whole console war thing. You have your XSX. I hope you enjoy every game you play on it. I wish PS5 had Forza Horizon as that is my favorite racing game. But I play that on my PC. Valhalla is an amazing game, playing it on PS4 till tomorrow. Enjoy your gaming and stay safe my Console brother. 🖖
The game looks terribly average. Those character models look 5 years old.
Ubisoft just never learns
True. And as mentioned near the end of the video, they are beaten by another Assassin's Creed game from 6 years ago (on PC).
Ubisoft games in general don't look good.
Ubisoft doing Ubisoft stuff
that's because they're running on a 5 year old game engine. The game looks good for current gen but it doesn't look next gen. Its graphics are comparable to horizon zero dawn
PS5 looks like the more powerful console despite the Xbox marketing, oh boy.
Sony just lets the game do the talking
Cringe.
XBox changed their slogan from "World's most powerful console" to "World's most powerful Xbox" on their site. Like no shit, you mean your next generation Xbox is the most powerful? Whoaaaa.
Probably trying to prevent against a class action lawsuit since clearly their marketing lied.
@@MasDouc
Seriously? That's so jokes
Interesting comparison and disappointing to see the X version performing like this but you can't read a great deal into one or two comparison videos -- the new generation has literally just started. Only in a couple of years when hundreds of games have been released will you be able to see clear patterns and have enough comparisons to say with some certainty which console is more powerful (or at least utilising their power better/easier to develop for). It's far too early at the moment -- calm down everyone 😜
Enjoy the 60 fps as it's a matter of time before the industry pushes back to 30 fps to make better graphics
god please no
NO
Why do you think this could happen?
And then they push a pro in like 4 years for "60fps" lol
I don’t think you understand the difference in power between this gen and last gen. It’s going to be a long while before they the graphics will be good enough to not be able to run at 60 frames.
For $100 more you can get a ps5 instead of series s, it’s a no brainer
Especially since PS5 now comes with Game Pass, which is what the Series S is basically for...
No wait, there's something wrong with that sentence...
Series S is a mistake.
series s is so old gen lmao it's sad
And no Game Pass. The end
@@Rensquall and no spiderman, god of war, god fall on xbox series s
Microsoft also failed to deliver in the controller department. Makes ps5 the easy choice.
Their controller was already good. The Xbox is the better console. PlayStation mainly has the leg up in exclusives still but that will change with time
@@romanborris7919 "Xbox is the better console" uhh yeah? I mean, if you don't have more mone to build a better PC.
@Roman Borris
How? As of now PS5 has better multiplats, loads more/better exclusives, and a more advanced controller.
MS said
Ac Valhalla plays Better on xbox
Even ac marketed under xbox
And now what
they lied like always
If there was an optimization issue then why the said plays better on xbox????
Ps never said but still better
@@romanborris7919 I know. I used it, but in 8 years they could move forward and change something.
This is the Power Of X, what the Microsoft Community is talking about 😂
You won't see them on here lol. They close their ears and scream! Then gather together in other channels that tells them what they wanna hear.
Don't do console war pls.
Anyway I saw that retrocomparible games load faster and run better on series x(understandble as microsoft is developping this technology for longer time) But an actual game optimized for next gen console seem to have slightly better performances on ps5
Bruh I have the series x and the ps5 they’re very similar series x is faster but can’t tell a difference graphically
Sony fanboys seem to be significantly more obnoxious online than Microsoft fanboys. 99% of the shit-talking is coming from PS5 fans
It seems like raw terraflops isn't the only way to gauge a systems power. If it did, that would mean the GTX 3090 at 36 terraflops would be 3x more powerful than the PS5 and Series X which, it most certainly is not.
um ... the 3090 is 3x's more powerful than both of these consoles - thats a literal fact.
@@CodeFuzion Not really.3090 is only 60-70% faster at best.Maybe 2x faster when utilizing RT.
Why 60-70%?
rx 6800 with 60CU is around 30-40% slower
So Xbox Series X(52CU) should be only 60-70% slower than 3090
@@CodeFuzion i doubt it runs this game three times as well as consoles though
@@CodeFuzion not in a real life scenario. rtx3090 would probably run Valhalla at about 50fps faster than ps5 unlocked
@@CodeFuzion alright so show us a game running on the 3090 with 3 times the resolution and frame rate of its console counterparts
Mark cerny masterclass!
Or engine made for 36 CUS
Shut up noob
Mark Cerny is diffently the masterclass
@@revben Keep crying.
@@revben ah the excuses just keep rolling in 😂 what happened to “every multiplat will run better on series x”?
Who can dislike this video...? Brilliant analysis
"I try so hard n get so far, in the end it doesn't even matter" - Digital Foundry
:)
Linkin Park 😊
@@holamoco 😐😐😐😐
@@hcnry what? 🙄
Xbots: STOP THE COUNT
That made me laugh out loud. I needed that. I had a really long day.
they be like, "mine is smaller, that's what matters"
Lmfao I love how you guys just lose your shit because you one a single comparison. Every. Other. Instance. Games run better on series x. And load faster! Numerous comparisons online lolll.
Bruh lmao!
The fucking analogy. Hahahahah
Optimised for Series X... 😬
It will be, but it needs work.
Fesoy 117 wait to e3? 😀
@@flhla_g1 ok.
@@flhla_g1 HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
@@flhla_g1 damn, dat 🔥
Mark Cerny knows what he's doing.
3:15 RIP birdie, you will be missed.
🪦
B...b...but I thought this game was "Optimised for Series X"?
What happened?
Ubisame happened
ubisoft.. it just buggy game...
@@phutureproof I see...
It is optimised;-)
You guys really gotta get over that inferiority complex.
I can’t wait to see Horizon Forbidden West , GOW Ragnarok , Uncharted 5 to run on PS5 with raytracing🤯🔥🔥
For me only GOW the rest pass.
Watchdogs has ray tracing, Demon's Souls doesn't. Ray-tracing doesn't really make the game look that much better to be honest.
@@michaeljohn5130 but it makes up some difference
@@gouthamchelluboyina2113 Not even. 60fps always over RT
@@michaeljohn5130 At least, it will make your game wet and floor shining 😅.
I've been playing on Series X and noticed screen tearing during cutscenes while occasionally experiencing tearing during gameplay. I haven't noticed frame rate drops but I don't have a keen eye for that sort of thing. I think I get too caught up in the experience to notice... 😅
You won't really notice drops unless what should be a 60 fps game starts going to mid 40s or lower, thats when the game can start getting unresponsive for split seconds and you can see entire actions not occur on screen. But if a game is dropping to 55-53 you won't really notice it that much.
It's just when you do see numbers like this it means the system can't really handle the load for some reason to keep pushing the fps targeted.
Maybe u have a VRR tv ?
@@nicknickname353 no, but I want one. I know a few of them are on sale right now.
@@nicknickname353 I love how xbox call it VRR to sound like new tech because saying freesync doesnt have that new tech sound lol
@@Simlife101 Or maybe they calls it VRR because every single TV company call it that? Even your Sony and LG. Also FreeSync is a brand, VRR is the standard. Using FreeSync to refer to every type of VRR is like calling every car an Audi.
Really glad we can finally game at 4K-ish
But I thought the refrigerator was more powerful? How sway?
Like they said, if you watched the video, the developer.
@@ReelFiends this isn’t the only game that performs better on ps5 tho
@@LogicbyDesign right, it seems to be every cross platform game on next gen. Not that there is a ton of difference, but definitely interesting considering how MS advertised their console as being much more powerful than the PS5.
@@ReelFiends excuses excuses keep ‘em coming it’s entertaining af!
@@theeALister when did they EVER advertise their console as being "much more powerful"? That was all from the stupid fanboys.
tldw;
Graphics/Res: XSX & PS5 identical
Framerate: PS5 better stability
Screentear: more on XSX but still on PS5
preformance: PS5 preforms better
So basically the same on both consoles
@@BlackPersonGuy in some areas, PS5 performs 15% better at 10+ higher FPS than XSX.
CORRECTION - Resolution drops to a lower resolution on Series X than on PS5.
Less optimize game should run better on the most powerfull hardware so why the ps5 is superior
Stop saying optimization thing xbox fans please
Xbox fails
XSX - FreeSync and VRR = really smooth...PS5 nothing.
How does AC Valhalla on Xbox Series X perform now in 2021 compared to the 2020 release?
Better then before
I'm playing this game on the PS5 and there is noticeable tearing mostly in cut scenes. With the new edition of quality mode, it does away with the tearing. You get only 30fps but my God does it looks gorgeous
It seems the set power target and variable clock approach on the PS5 are paying off.
It's optimization, Xbox were late sending dev kits to developers.
Lol the next excuse is "wait till e3"
@@hamad2620 poor optimized games for the next 7 years?
@@hamad2620 Ac valhalla.... _Xbox Series X OPTIMIZED_ give it up. The PS5 via its graphics pipeline efficiencies have more power or performance than the SX. SX has higher max floating point but its useless.....its like a gtx 1080ti being more powerful than a vega 64 due to the graphics pipeline. Yes there graphics pipeline are very different in PS5 vs SX even though they share a similar micro architecture
@Abdalla Kordeir both from what devs are saying.
Finally is here. Up next: Black Ops Cold War
It’s be a video of
Digital foundry’s console hard shutting down 😂
That glitchy as game
@Jonny B non-binary people have existed throughout time, including the 80's.
@Jacob S Oh so how come they run smooth on ps5. Ur telling me they rushed Xbox ports but took their time with ps5’s?
@@BLacKnREDBeaST dev kits for Series X were released much later apparently
Thanks, guys! Really deep and objective analysis. So far happy with my PS5 choice.
Even if the PS5 doesn't support 4K and 60FPS.....I'll still going to buy it just for the Dualsense!
enjoy dude
@@GNplayer1 but it does
@@Jho1 Ikr, that's why I said "even IF".... I love my PS5 😍🤤
Again this is not the whole story
When ubi optimizes for xbox it will look the same
According to Ubisoft's title update 1.0.4 there will be performance improvements for the Xbox consoles especially Series S. They are focusing on the Series S improvements. That's great news. If the Series S can run 60fps now, that would make it more appealing.