MOON KNIGHT: Why Khonshu Killed Randall | JAKE LOCKLEY Connection EXPLAINED
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- Опубликовано: 27 апр 2022
- Moon Knight Episode 5 answered a lot of questions, revealing Marc's traumatic childhood and the source of his DID. But it also created a connection between the death of his brother Randall and the moon god he currently serves.
The episode also gave us our first look at Marc's other alter, who might be called Jake Lockley. We think there's a strong reason why he's being held for a reveal at the end, and that it has to do with Khonshu controlling Marc since his childhood.
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Welcome back ScreenCrush, I’m Ryan Arey, and Moon Knight is almost at an end. Episode 5 did a lot of explaining, but there were a couple of key questions that they did not answer. Like who’s in the Sarcophagus? I think we have an answer, and a big twist that is going to blow your mind.
Now we put out a video specifically about the sarcophagus where I laid out some silly theories for fun. What we do know is that it is most likely another of Marc’s alter personalities. And we know this because Steven also came from a sarcophagus. And Marc has 2 primary alters in the comics, billionaire Steven Grant and street-smart cab driver Jake Lockely.
And we’ve been speculating about Jake Lockley being in this show all the way back in episode 2. So in this video, we’re going to add up all the evidence, and show you why this twist is going to suit the story.
You see, episode 5 not only confirmed Jake, but they showed Jake here, and gave us hints that Khonshu has been manipulating Marc for his entire life, and that he was the one who killed Randall.
First off, the best evidence for Jake Lockley bing in the show is that he is a character in the comic book. We’re not just speculating that they might introduce a random new character. In the comics Jake is darker than Marc, more violent. Marc kills because he has to, but Jake kills because he wants to.
We can also see a pattern of irregularities throughout the show. In the first episode, Steven learns he has a date with this woman. But it does not seem like Marc would be asking random women out and going on dates. He is focused on his mission to serve Khonshu. He’s living near his ex’s neighborhood-he wouldn’t go out to a high profile steak joint because he would risk bumping into her. Some other alter would have asked this woman out.
I also think Jake appeared in Germany. When Steven wakes up, his jaw is dislocated. It seems like he fell from a high place. I think that this fall knocked Marc out, and he stays out while they’re in Germany. So when Steven hands the body over, he actually hand sit to Jake. Like here, when they recover the scarab-their hand is covered in blood. It’s a very violent act, more brutal than what Marc. Remember, he didn’t try to kill the men on the roof, but this scene is a slaughter. Also, I think it’s Jake who takes over in the cupcake truck, and Marc stays out the entire time.
Elsewhere in the episode, there are two reflections watching Steven as he walks away, and they move slightly independently of each other. When he gets ready for his date, his vanity starts with two reflections, then the camera moves to indicate a third-foreshadowing the eventual reveal of a second alter.
Remember, the mirrors are a more recent thing. There used to be a more strict boundary dividing the alters]. I think what’s happening is that, as Marc and steven have become aware of each other and share memories, they’re starting to merge. But Jake is still totally separate form both of them, and they willfully ignore his existence twice. The first time is after the rooftop killing The second is when they walk by the sarcophagus instead of opening it.
Episode 2 ends showing Oscar Isaac in Cairo, cradling a bottle of booze. At the tume, I speculated that this is also Jake. because, again, Marc is laser focused on his mission to serve Khonshu, and wouldn't take the time to go Colonel willard in a hotel room.
There’s another very weird indication of Jake here. At first I thought that Steven punched himself because of Layla’s rope pulling him while he was belaying her. But that’s not the case. She hits the bottom first. And anyways they also have 2 ropes, unconnected to one another. 
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What's your theory for the final episode?
Haven't decided yet
Layla will free kounshu and find marc
I feel like they'll tease but leave out Jake's persona ...
kung fu panda will come in last second and kill konchshell and he will get the infinity gauntlet to destroy michelle obama
Marc is revealed to be JAKE's alter.
The nose punch was Marc following through on his "don't touch my wife" threat that he made to Steven earlier.
yeah i agree on this
thats what i was thinking too
Exactly
That's what I thought, too. Jake would have no reason to punch Steven in the face, but Marc sure had a reason, a very personal, serious reason! And he didn't wait forever to act on the impulse... Good for him! But how is this marriage going to work out in future?
I thought the same thing but it doesn’t explain why Mark has a bandage on his nose
Oscar Isaac should be in contention for a Emmy nomination for this series. This episode was a master class in acting
Wait until the metal gear movie
For real
I forgot I was watching the same actor
Definitely crossed my mind as well. He has done about as well as I could imagine in this series. He played the soft Steven exceptionally well and switched to the grittier Marc seamlessly. So much range. If he doesn’t win an Emmy, I would have to watch whoever does. It would have to absolutely blow me away.
I agreee wholeheartedly
When Marc and Steven embrace, Marc is subconsciously hugging his deceased brother. That’s why they’re hug is so emphatic.
That is true bc he made Steven after his brother death and his brother was Steven I think (the character I mean)
@@myherobeaste7 Marc played as Steven.
@@myherobeaste7 Yes Wait So Steven Is The 3rd DEAD Brother???????
@@haileeraestout5567 where'd you get third brother from??? steven is like a brother to marc because of how marc wants to protect him as seen in episode 5 when marc says that steven wasnt supposed to see the memories of marc's abuse from his mother. marc treats steven like his brother because of how he wasn't able to protect randel, not because steven is marc's ACTUAL brother
In support of Jake doing the killing in the show: When Marc and Steven switch places it is a gentler process. There's a whooshing sound effect and Oscar Issac rolls his eyes and his shoulders a bit. When people are killed in Germany and Cairo the transition is more forced and violent. There is a louder, pulsing sound effect and a camera shake. In these moments Steven and Marc "lose time". They cannot see from within what the person in control of the body is doing, even though there are mirrors in the cupcake van and he still has the reflective knife in Cairo. An indication that Jake is still "walled off" from Marc and Steven.
It would also be interesting to see if Jake becomes Astral Knight or some other version of Moon Knight like Marc becomes Moon Knight or Steven becomes Mr.Knight
It would make sense that both of them keep that part completely compartmentalized . Marc hids from it and he won't let Stephen see it either since Stephen is the on that's supposed to have the happy life
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Also, once Steven knew about Mark, that transition stopped. So any transition from that point forward was always Jake
Jake shows up when Marc and Steven are in mortal danger, danger they cannot deal with. Jake is no nonsense about saving their lives. I would think that Jake would understand Konshu's desire to deal with the worst of the worst...Jake was the one who took the abuse from their mother. He understands the perils facing the travelers of the night having experienced them all his life. He has no philosophical rationale about the matter of danger and abuse; he knows all about danger and abuse. He might even think Konshu has a soft spot dealing with sinners only after the sin is committed but he would never go along with Ammit’s killing the innocents to prevent future sin. Jake, of all of them, seems to be the one who would understand a degree of ‘justice’ however harsh. He does not come across as a bully.
I'm also on team "Marc punched Steven for kissing Layla." Marc was literally in his head saying "don't you dare!" And Steven resisted at first -- he's a gentleman. But then he gave in and smooched her like crazy. Marc was not happy, and decked him. There's no indication that that sound effect is *only* for when Jake takes over, it could easily apply to any transfer. And there's also no evidence that Jake requires the body to be knocked out before he takes over -- in fact in the cupcake chase, the rooftop fight, the village massacre, Steven was most definitely wide awake when Jake took over. And why would Jake be wresting control at that moment anyway? He's not particularly interested (as far as we know) in all the tomb raider stuff, he just likes mangling people. Nah, that punch was 100% Marc.
I was scrolling to see this comment. 100% what I was thinking. It was Marc’s wife, so no reason for Jake to punch Steven.
Finally someone who taught the same. That was 100% Mark retaliating the Steven with a V kiss
I started thinking what if the punch had nothing to do with Layla. What if Jake needed the body for a moment for some reason. The first moment Steven is alone at the dig sight is when Layla drops down and right then Jake punches Steven to knock him out, takes over the body for whatever reason and then dumps himself down the cave and gives Steven the body back. Just don't know what the reason could be.
Yeah I’m pretty sure it was obvious, kinda wooshed Ryan tho
Yeah Marc would be mad. But then why did he take the time to punch himself and not confront him verbally like in the tomb? Plus his anger in the tomb was subdued by Steven telling Layla the truth, something Marc has really wanted to do, but is too scared to do himself. And if Marc didn't have the power to talk to Steven without a mirror or water, then how did he muster the will for physical control? And why not at least belay properly if Marc has control now?
Anyone else notice this:
Mark turns into Steven right before the mom goes in the room.
The mom goes in and beats "Steven" cuz Mark has checked out.
BUT Steven only remembers his mom being loving and kind.
Steven states he was created to receive the abuse.
That doesn't make sense. Maybe then Jake was created to actually take the abuse.
Jake is the one that took the beatings which is why he's such a cold blooded killer
Clever guy!
Maybe Steven created Jake for that reason but he was just unaware of his existence. That's why neither Mark nor Steven know he exists.
yes.
I agree
My thought exactly!
Also, in episode 1 when Steven wakes up in the Alps Konshu says, “go back to sleep, worm. You’re not supposed to be here.”
Steven replies, “yep, I completely agree”
Khonshu then tells Steven to “surrender the body to Marc”
Steven: “Surrender the body? What body?”
Konshu: “Oh, the idiot’s in control”
Implying that Konshu thought he was talking to Jake after he came to with the broken jaw (yay mystic healing powers!).
But why would he call jake a worm?
@@moniquenimely3104 he called worm to Steven
@@satnambrar7383 Ikr... It blows my mind how poorly the incidents in the show have been comprehended. Utterly blows my mind. Did people actually pay attention or just pay parting glances inbetween updating their social media I wonder.
@@matthewvanrensburg3824 probably they didn't paid attention...or were confused as fuck between steve marc and 3rd identity
@@satnambrar7383 Shows the inabiity to pay even modest attention imho. To put the phone down and actually watch and pay attention. That ppl actually thought it was a real psych hospital ep4 alone was mindboggling too haha.
Social media is the actual zombiepocapylse with how branddead it's leaving the masses🤣
The nose punch seemed pretty clearly to be Marc responding to Steven kissing Layla. but I agree on Jake appearing with the bandages and in the third sarcophogas.
You keep citing the scene where Oscar Isaac punches himself as evidence of Jake, but I read that as Marc punching Steven for kissing Layla. Steven reacts to getting hit, so I don't think it's another person taking full control, just another example of the partial control we saw in episode 1 when Marc (or maybe Konshu) wouldn't let Steven hand over the scarab. Marc JUST threatened Steven and then Steven kissed her anyway.
Thank You! This is what I've been saying with each video. Marc was frustrated with Steven, and so he took control temporarily and hit 'himself', Steven.
Absolutely agreed. Jake may have taken the punch (the bandaged nose), but Marc threw it.
I agree with this but I'll play devils advocate for a minute. A detail I found interesting in the punch situation is that before that in the tent Marc is warning Steven not to go after his wife or he'll throw them off a cliff. Steven kisses her and then the punch happens. But later in the tomb I found it odd how Marc brings it up to Steven by saying, "So you kissed Layla" as if it's the first time he's acknowledging that it happened disregarding the fact that he's clearly already made his anger known about the situation by punching Steven.
Now that's me trying to read into the scene to see any evidence of this Jake theory. I still think the more likely explanation is that Marc punched Steven.
Yeah. This was a very funny scene. I don't know why he keeps citing this scene in all his videos.
100% agree. its the most obvious explanation
A few things to point out that are slightly misconstrued in your video. The reason that Jake is ignored is intentional to show how Marc's mind represses any and all memories of immense trauma. All of that goes to Jake, and if they acknowledge him, they must also bring to surface all of the trauma he absorbed.
Jake is the protector, so he would NEVER punch Steven (Himself) Jake's entire existence is to protect the body and mind. Marc is already full of self loathing, and is at odds with Steven most of the time, so its almost surely Marc who punches Steven.
Edit: The bandage on his nose is further evidence of the abuse taken. Marc throws the punch at Steven, but Jake takes the damage. Steven didn't even remember Marc punching him.
yes i completely agree
Jake didn't have a reason to punch Steven, but Mark sure did. He was making moves on his wife.
Brilliant!
Oh! That means Jake took the beating so Steven doesn't remember it.
Steven doesn't remember the punch? I must've missed something, because I don't remember it being acknowledge later
I feel like Marc created Steven (with a “V”) to satisfy his mother and Steven quickly created Jake to take the punishment. Jake then resents both Steven and Marc. But I like the idea that Steven & Jake weren’t accidents or coincidences, but manipulations/machinations of Khonshu all along. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
If any of this is Konshu, then all of it is Konshu.. including what happened to his mother..
I'm not sure if your theory is true, but if it is psychologist Harrow's line: "do you think that Khonshu chose you as his avatar because your mind would be so easy to break, or because it was broken already?" becomes even more important.
Just to note, the writing in this show is pretty awesome. When Dr Harrow and arthur harrow both says "I cant help someone if they can't help themselves", you realize that is what needed to happen on the boat when Steven (the "they") helped Marc (the "themselves") fight off the dead. Marc needed to be honest with "himself" (Steven) in order for Steven to trust him, and only when he finally does, does Steven come to the aid of Marc and basically save himself from the horrors of his past (which he forgives and consoles marc). Its actually brilliant.
I have absolutely no idea how they're going to wrap everything up neatly in one episode. It's either going to be a disjointed mess or leaving things open for future works.
This comment could apply to the penultimate episode of every Marvel show so far :)
The former for sure
They might wrap up everything in 50 minutes. But I do wish for Season 2.
I'm expecting something epic with a huge cliffhanger at the end, not only bc that's how all Disney plus shows have ended but also bc we MUST have more of this show and character. I'd rather have these shows than movies at this point
Same way Wandavision did, Wandavision's second to last episode was also a flashback look into her childhood and how her life lead to her hexxing the town to start episode 1, similar to Marc losing control of his body to Steven at his mom's funeral to start episode 1. Highly positive Moonknight will end with a big battle with Ammit controlling Harrow like Wanda vs Agatha. It's not that hard to figure out Marvel's writing style to garner more eyes on series finales.
The "Jake punched steven" is one of the worst theories I've ever heard. Mark was mad he kissed his wife. It's so simple it's embarassing to suggest it was Jake for no reason other than you want it to be
At this point 90% of these theories are shitty reasons why people think a certain scenes has jake in them
Yeah
My theory is that Mark created Steven to be the perfect son and win his mother's love again but since she beat him Steven created the third personality to escape the abuse that is why he only appears to defend Steven and only knows violence. even this third personality could be violent towards his mother and for that reason they could never fix the relationship Mark was afraid of his mother he sends Steven to fix things and steven blocks these interactions sending the third personality who fights with her and creates a cycle of violence
That makes a ton of sense, the times where you see the most violence around them is when Steven is in trouble, so if he created Jake to deal with the trauma then Jake would be the one to come out to protect him
@Diego Vargas That would make it real interesting if that 3rd personality actually killed their mother. Might not be likely, but would be intersting.
@@connorallgood0922 maybe Disney wouldn't make Jake going psycho towards his mother, but an accident would be likely. Neither Steven nor Marc would be able to accept that. Maybe that'd be related to Jake's deal with Khonshu in season 2? Khonshu manipulated Marc with Layla and lost control after Layla rejected his offer, so maybe he found something else to hold Jake.
When Harrow asks “Mark” about who created who, he asks “do YOU think YOU created Steven” or “do you think Steven created Mark” It implies that he’s probably speaking to Jake NOT Mark or Steven.
Nobody has pointed this out yet
Harrow seemed surprised by the third personality at the end though. Like I don’t think the limo assassination would have worked if he knew about the third personality.
@@tartnouveau3652 That’s assuming that dr. Harrow even existed. We still don’t know if the hospital was real or not so could definitely still have worked
I already knew Oscar Isaac was gonna be good, But man he exceeded my expectations! He plays 3 different personalities so fluidly!
As much as I want this to be a movie, I enjoy watching the clues, guessing & breakdowns weekly. Doesn’t just feel like something you just watch and on to the next
I found it hilarious when Ammit was finally resurrected and right off the bat told Harrow his scales are unbalanced 🤣🤣🤣
I really thought the bird just means death. Like how crows represents death sometimes.
I really thought that dead bird was just foreshadowing for mark's brother death...
The idea of Jake persona being crafted by Konshu is an interesting theory.
When Marc gets beaten up by his mother, he turns into Steven right? But if you pay attention to what Marc has to say, Steven is made for a happy and normal life. And when Steven wanted to see what his mother was doing, Marc pulled him out. Also, Steven only remembers good memories right. I mean it was Jack who was beaten by his mother, not Steven. He gets all the pain, which is why the alter ego Jack is the protector of the other alters, and that's the reason why he's always violent. Thank you! I'm glad that I share my own theory.
I don’t think it’s out of character for Marc to be drinking. His abusive mom just died and he is dreading going to her shiva. And then at the end of episode 2 he’s overwhelmed by his deal with Konshu. I don’t see how that would be a Jake only thing
Well Jake was a drinker so that’s why he said that
I’m just going off of what we’ve seen in the show.
Admittedly, I’m not super familiar with the comics, but from what I under Steven was originally a rich playboy so the show is obviously going to take some liberties with Jake too I assume.
@@KPalms1001 yeah that scene I think is Mark because Mark even says something to Steven about it
Mark wouldn't be drinking bc he would be focused on his mission and drinking could affect that
I believe the moment steven's personality first came through was also the conception of Jakes personality. Neither of them really knew all the abuse their mother gave them (especially steven) and since Mark didnt turn out to be a cold blooded killer (mostly doing what Konshu asks of him against true evil) that must mean Jake was the one to take all the beatings. Jake is a fighter, Marc is a survivor, and Steven is the caretaker.
I don’t think this Konshu killed Roro, but I do think there’s a chance he started affecting Marc’s mind once he created Steven.
But that also brings the question of how much power over Marc was Konshu able to have while controlling Harrow? What time frame did Konshu have control of Harrow?
I feel like Steven is a embodiment of his lil brother that’s why they fight in the beginning then later on save each other as if they where brothers , and also couldn’t accept the fact that Steven was gone that’s why he went back to look for him cause if he lost steven then for him it would feel like losing his lil brother completely
I have a theory. Steve created Jake to take the beatings from his mother. Steve is in the bedroom when his mother comes to beat him but he only remembers his mother being nice, so he must have changed to another alter to forget. This is why in Ep. 1 Jake shows up instead of Marc when he's trying to escape.
Good theory
That's a good theory. I also suspect Steven created the third personality.
Where was the father during this.
This one was exceptionally good. Nice video man!
These vids are helping me with being in the hospital. They're so fun and intriguing
Hope you get better 🙏
@@alexcontreras1972 thank you!
I think it's Marc that punches Steven in the nose because Steven is checking out Marc's wife as she is descending into the tomb. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like a jealousy thing.
Yeah and the sound effect he claims was the same from all the other "transitions"...
They don't sound the same at all. What's the point of a slightly different sound if you're trying to show your audience it's the same effect?
Yeah, i thought the nose punch happened not long after Steven & Layla kissed.
Yeah I agree
Screen Crush your explanations are next level & thought provoking, spot on!
I noticed the alter with the broken nose that’s supposed to be Jake has darker eyes. Like Oscar Isaac wore darker contacts to make him seem more psychotic.
I think your wrong on the part where he punches himself. it's not Jake, it'd Marc that punches Steven for just kissing the LiLie.
Episode five was immaculate, it was symbolic of a spiritual awakening One would have during a psychedelic experience. He had to reconcile his opposites, go back to the past where the root of his trauma is and make peace with it to become whole again. If that’s not The psychedelic heroes journey in a nutshell I don’t know what is
That's spot on
I want to give credit when it is do. I must give you credit for your recaps and the things you pick up on that I would normally gloss over. With your revelations, I go back and look at the episode (s) again. Great job
I have so much respect for this channels ability to utilize the best moment from Wicker Man over and over and over
15:05 I think the series is going to end with a similar ending to that one Moon Knight panel of all the identities unifying against Khonshu and stating "We are Moon Knight. And we never needed you." I think that would be a great ending personally.
I think it’d be pretty sad if Khonshu killed him, I don’t know if I like the theory that it’s in his blood. I prefer characters with freak coincidences that leads to them being super heros. Obvious Khonshu could always be acting and deceiving, but he seemed generally surprised and curious about Mark. He’s definitely not the best guy but I would like it more if he had at least some interest in helping Mark.
I agree it should be like that but since comics had done those things. Mark when he gets his power back won’t work for konshu. The relic he finds might take that burden for him
I also think that when he hit himself, it was Mark punching Steven for hitting on Layla
Acting 3 different characters is so hard and Oscar Isaac showed us how to do that. We are seeing a great actor here. Aside from that, this ScreenCrush guy makes a lot of sense on how they put pieces of the story. Nice job.
Great guy!
Love me some screen crush!!! Great video sir!!!
I think that was *Marc punching Jake in the face.* Let me explain.
If you remember back in episode 1 in Germany Steven wanted to hand the scarab to Harrow, but Marc (or Jake) took control of his hand and then his arm and then his legs; but at that moment we see no eye transition or flashing. So the other Alters can control an arm without eye transition, but in episode 4 after Steven kissed Layla we clearly see and hear the transition.
Now it comes the fun part, I think Marc was about to punch Steven and Jake feels the danger and takes over the body to defend it (Remember he is the protector one and in Danger he can easily take control, at least over Steven). So now Jake is in control but Marc has already moved the arm so he punches Jake. That's why there is wound on Jake's nose in this episode.
I like this alot
I think it was Jake who kissed Layla. Seems to me more of Jake's character. I think Stephen pulled away from Layla and Jake went in for the kiss and got punched.
I think Jake is still in the process of making. When Marc has to fight, it is at that time that he slowly translates into a muscle memory kind of state where it is brutality but with Marc not even breaking a sweat but also him regretting the fights and killings. So Jake is still forming and Marc is a now in a state where Steven who is like a brother to him, with whom he made amends and has bonded with him, is now gone like his actual brother. So that can fully form his new alter and maybe in the 6th episode Marc is brought back (and hopefully Steven too) who finds out that he now has Jake also along with Steven.
Thank you for the wonderful content. I appreciate it.
15:21 I love Doug!
Thanks for great reviews! I’m not a comic reader so I appreciate the insights missed because I’m not familiar with the source material.
I'd like to think the director intended to mislead us into thinking Khonshu killed Marc's brother. But if it is true, Khonshu is no better than Ammit for sacrificing a child and ruinning another's life just because he needed a soldier. I would understand where Arthur Harrow's hatred toward Khonshu was from and why he betrayed him and chose Ammit instead.
The biggest thing I thought was when Steven wakes up in Germany. “Surrender the body to mark” once Steven starts talking khonshu says “oh great the idiot has control” suggesting that khonshu uses jake for the more violent missions since that’s the more violent alter
you give the BEST reviews!!!
Ryan has the best breakdowns!😎🤙🏼
When Steven gets hit in the nose by his own hand, I interpreted it as Marc hitting him for kissing his wife
Props to Oscar Isaac for being such a versatile actor he makes the personalities seem like different people
Horcrux part slayed me. Love this channel
great job, as always.
I don't think Khonshu will be revealed to be a villain in the live action version, but I am not saying he is saint ethier. This is because in episode 2 Khonshu and Marc we're at ons throughout the episode but near the end Khonshu says to Marc 'you are worth protecting': words to boost sense of worth, especially if you once contimplated ending your life at one point. Steven says that Khonshu took advantage of Marc, but Khonshu gave Marc a purpose to live. Marc was about to end his life when it looked like he was dying anyway? This is slightly different from the source material from what I've heard. So live-action Khonshu enabled Marc to choose to keep living and gave him a sense of purpose as well, so I don't think this Khonshu is cold hearted
But as for the purpose being vigilante murders - that's a different debate concerning theology perspective and ethics, and we already had Civil War back in 2016.
The director of the show confirmed that Jake was in the fifth episode. Also the punch was from Marc for Steven making moves on Layla.
I love how I watched the show with immense focus and did not notice most of what you said like how jakes voice was here 6:12
Great breakdown! I haven’t seen this episode yet, I’m waiting to watch it with my son tomorrow, but this show is just one hell of a ride! Best thing Marvel has touched since Endgame, and it would be a total shame to not have Moon Knight in more Marvel stories on the big or little screen
Why would Steven not know about his mother beating him, when Marc literally switched into Steven just before she came in the room and beat him. She literally beat him while he was Steven, he had the British accent and everything when she entered the room and grabbed the belt. Wouldn't this imply that Marc would generally take the beatings as Steven? I just don't get it.
steven would phase to jake before he would get beat
When his mom entered the room, we can slightly see Steven switching to marc Or jake.
Steven didn't know about the beatings, and he wouldn't switch back to Mark, so he created Jake to take the beatings
There is another time when Jake moves the body even when Steve was in control. In Germany, when he stole the scarab and Harrow asked for it back, remember Steve’s arm moved on its own pulling away the scarab from Harrow.
Great analysis. Thank you!
Thanx 4 the credit... maybe it's a coincidence that this video contains all the points from my last comment.
No the one standing on the street drinking is Marc. The show clearly showed that.
The show....where everything that is shown, is shown.
Nice breakdown!
Really nice job!
I think Marc punched Steven in the nose for kissing his wife. Steven says so when he first sees the water in the tomb and asks Marc "are you going to try and drown us now?" To which Marc replies "yes"....
Marc punched Steven for kissing his wife less than a minute ago!
It’s not that complicated
Love your content!
The big clue that tipped me off that Jake was the one in Harrow’s office with the glass pyramid is that during the close up Oscar Isaac’s mouth has been subtly changed with cgi. His lip line is a totally different shape and if you watch closely there’s a little bit of uncanny valley when you focus on his mouth. That’s not Marc or Steven’s face, I tell you!
I think Marvel puts a mystery in every series especially for us nerds who love to analyze, speculate and guess. It’s fun! They know it, Feige is one and likes it, too, so they give us what we like to add more enjoyment to the experience. Where everybody went wrong with WandaVision is they took themselves too seriously and missed the fun. They wanted to be right more than they wanted to enjoy the ride and they collectively got burned. A few have finally come around and eaten their humble pie but some are still seething over being played like a Stradivarius by Marvel writers. They should realize that their value and devotion are appreciated and the Easter egg hunts are just for them. It’s all good. Live to erroneously theorize another day!
🤯 that would be some long game, god level type of manipulations. Great theory!
Along the lines of a protector alter, it felt weird that Marc created Steven in order to take the beating. It would make sense for Jake to step up to receive that abuse.
So many good possibilities described 👍👍👍 ... I'm really looking forward to the finale.
Up 'til this episode I was fairly neutral to the whole season, not a fan of the first 4 eps, but this ep does so many good things in tieing together disparate threads, filling in lost details, subtly explaining why some elements are as they are (that accent for example) and it really goes 'out there' in terms of story that I was hooked right from the start and had no idea what was coming.
I want to say too that Jason Isaac's acting is phenomenal. Unlike many other programmes/films where an actor plays two (or more) roles on screen at the same time, in this show the interaction/s was/are seemless. I genuinely felt he was talking and interacting with another him-self. There's emotional weight as well as physical that feels very real and connected. The technical prowess and skill to bring that together and not have any "uncanny valley" sensation happen is something else. Everyone involved in the making of this are at the top of their game.
Could it be possible that Khonshu helped create Jake to have an alter that would enjoy handing out Khonshu's vengeance? Maybe that's why neither Mark nor Steven acknowledge his existence. *EDIT* And, you answered it at the end, lol.
You may point it out this episode but when Steven is going up the stairs and Marc is following him, there's a third Oscar Isaac behind Marc
No wrong mate, rewatch it
@@alexking6050 Okay I did to get the timestamp. 19:35
totally agree with the jake evidence :) nice work man
Wow! What a show. Not likely what most people expected, but such a great way to continue to vast storytelling of the MCU🤯
A bit lengthy,
I have a stretching theory about the scene where it appears Marc is crying after his mom's death, what if it was Jake that was crying because I believe it was Jake that experienced the physical abuse from his mom and not Steven (Maybe it was his breaking point when she dies).Therefore when he's told she's dead, he breaks down to shield Marc or Steven from experiencing such a painful grief and when he's done Steven appears and he believes his mom is alive. I think Jake does other things throughout the series to help separate Steven's life from Marc's, he's like a subconscious identity that endures everything, which could be why he's violent because he only appears when something painful happens. (could be emotional or physical.) However, there are some holes in this theory, like how does Marc know that his mother is dead but it takes Steven until the 5th episode to find out, and is Jake even capable of any emotions because in his first appearance in episode 5, he's unhinged and violent. (I'm not sure if this theory is worth taking a look at to be honest, just wanna put it out there).
Steven doesn't know that his mother is dead, because he's somewhat delusional in order to keep his happy life.
The way I see it is that Marc has the memories of what happened, but Jake mostly takes the abuse. Like when Marc pushes Steven out of the memory of his mother beating him, it's perhaps because that memory is incomplete: Marc knows logically what happened, and he might even be upset about it, but the actual abuse and trauma was endured by Jake.
I sort of see Jake as the one who was drinking outside his mother's funeral. He's angry, and doesn't want to feel sad about it. I'm on the fence on whether I think it was Jake who broke down crying, or he switched back to Marc for that. Perhaps Jake threw his Kippah on the ground in frustration, but Marc picked it back up and cried.
Either way, Marc remembers the whole thing, but Steven is in complete denial and so remembers none of it until Marc shares it with him.
ive heard this theory 4:15 but id think its true when I watched it I was thinking that Marc hit Steven for flirting with his wife
Thank you, why would Jake do that
That was my take, too. A light hearted moment to show us how smitten Steven was.
That's pretty obvious, ScreenCrush is just being wrong on purpose to get more engagement in the comments
@@zzbzq1 The fact that you might not be wrong is one of the reasons I tend to stay away from RUclips sometimes 😅
The red sarcophagus first appearanced in episode 1, in the museum, and Steven tells the school girl there is something wicked in there.
Hi Ryan and Doug
So going forward into the MCU it would be so hard to cram all of Marc's identities into future stories, Midnight Suns, Avengers or whatever . So maybe Steven turning to stone and becoming one with Marc is whats got to happen to Jake aswel . Then when he appears in later stories everyone knows that Marc is MoonKnight , but the Audience knows he has Steven and Jake on board to .
Thanks for all the great videos and hard work you do
Gazz
My guess is this, Marc created Steven to be the perfect son, and then Steven created Jake to be an outlet for all the anger and dark desires that he couldn't express and when that happened that's when Steven and Marc personalities became aware of each other because both started in small ways noticing Jake's actions.
I would absolutely love either a lead up to Thor with Gorr, or a Kang reference - both really good opportunities to do this. But I appreciate the show likes to be mostly disconnected from the MCU, so I imagine it will be Layla releasing Khonshu with a Jake Lockley reveal. I also feel like we may see the Ennead again.
Jake is the one that can pull the trigger when Marc can't or simply isn't strong enough to, the absolute force that will always be there if Marc ever falters, the ultimate and lethal protector.
Marc and Steven hugging was the best part and made happy
If Harrow was Konshu's former avatar... would Harrow have been his avatar when Konshu supposedly killed Marc's brother?
Yes
I suspect that Jake is actually the first alter.
And the big twist is Jake actually took Randall down there and killed him.
Thats what i thought.
As dark as that is, it would actually be _VERY interesting_ ... But I doubt the mcu would do the latter part unfortunately
I doubt that, the alters were created as a way to deal with the abuse and Randall’s death.
@@alftuvik3820 Yeah I can see that.
I am just speculating that Jake was created by Khonshu... potentially created to be eager to kill as a child. Maybe it was Jake that led him there that day...
I do think that the alters created in response to trauma is more probable. Just speculating that what if...?
That would be a mind blowing twist
I think Steven actually explained & confirm why he was never actually talking to his mom each time we saw him on the phone. In the office wen Haro said he was gonna call his mom he started saying dont call her, she wont pick up because she screens her calls to avoid telemarketers. So that would explain him just leaving long messages on her voicemail instead of actually talking to her
I like how you break things down and your dog is funny
I think the punch is marc hitting steven because he kissed Layla. earlier he said if you lay a finger on her I'll throw us off a cliff
Could Tomb Buster’s unnamed villain be Jake Lockley?
Man I love your videos. Ever single one is fantastic. This series has been a blast to watch. Here is my two cents, I don't think Kanchew* killed Marks brother. If we are assuming Kanchew* was grooming him at that early of an age, then why was Harrow* used as well? Harrow is what maybe 10-15 years older than Mark? That's my only problem with that theory. I think it's more likely Kanchew* left Harrow for some reason (what that reason is, I'm not sure). Harrow got butt hurt and went to find a new god to follow that would provide payback for Kanchew* leaving him. I don't think we know how long Mark has been Moon Knight in this series, but I'm sure Harrow didn't a mass his cult following over night. Idk we shall see. Again phenomenal video. I look forward to your content the next day about just as much as the fricken show itself.
If they don't do a season two I'm going to be depressed.
On another note.
Can we all agree this show is awesome!
Marc tells Steven about the reason he was created, and mentions that he made it so that Steven thought he had a happy, normal life. Steven appeared in his room as Marc was scared of his mom storming in. After she comes in, it's implied that she physically abuses whatever version of the boy is in the room. So how does that make sense? And it was very clearly Steven that showed up, because he started talking with a British accent. How did he live a happy life thinking that his mother loved him, if Marc created him to be beaten? I hear the theory that Jake was the one that was created to be abused, but why would they have deliberately made the little boy talk with a British accent in the room, right before being abused?
It was Steven to clean the room. When his mom is seen it triggers jake. As a reaction he can’t control
Honestly, the theory suggesting that "Jake punched Steven" is probably one of the worst I have heard. Its obvious that mark punched steven because steven kissed his wife.
The mental gymnastics necessary to reach these conclusions….bravo sir
The rook skeleton definitely appeared as a symbol for Konshu. Either it’s a hint that he was involved in the tragedy as you say, or it’s a symbol that this is the event that started Mark on the path to becoming Moon Knight
I thought the nose punch was Marc punching Steve for kissing Layla.
I thought the same thing.
Did Khonshu kill Randall?
I think so
If he didn't, he let it happen. Dark bird
I don’t think so since it wouldn’t fit in the last episode but sounds like a great theory
That's some shitty time loop nonsense.
aka Konashoe
i speculated most of these when I re watched Moon Knight from episode 1 to episode 5.
Good analysis