MOON KNIGHT: Is KHONSHU The Show's Secret Villain?
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Moon Knight episode 2 deepened the mystery of the show, introducing us to mercenary Marc Spector, and explaining his bargain with Khonshu, the Egyptian god of the moon. Marc swore to be Konshu's avatar, to be the fist of vengeance, and Steven--one of his multiple personalities--is along for the ride. But when you go back and look at the comics, you see that Khonshu is not a benevolent god. He forced Marc into servitude, and manipulated him for his entire life, taking advantage of his illness. In this video, we break down why Khonshu might actually be the villain behind the show.
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Well, episode 2 of Moon Knight was quite the escalation, wasn’t it? The ending raises some important questions about Khonshu, and his true nature. Because he’s clearly far from being a benevolent god. He seems to be more on the evil side.
So what does Khonshu really want? Can Moon Knight trust him? And what does the god want with Layla?
Let’s explain the unique relationship between Moon Knight and Khonshu. And what all of it means for Moon Knight’s story.
Right from episode 1 it was clear that Khonshu is not such a nice entity.
I mean he went all-horror-monster movie on Steven. And he did the same thing again in this episode. I mean relax, bird-face, you are an 8 foot-tall being with a floating head. You are scary as it is, no need for all the theatrics. And he’s really mean to the poor Steven.
But now episode 2 sheds new light on the moon god.
Marc’s deal with Khonshu is very complicated, even if we don’t use the comics to explain it.
Marc is Khonshu’s avatar, he is the first of vengeance. He’s meant to deliver the god’s justice.
And they are fighting against Arthur Harrow and his cult, who are serving the way too judgmental goddess, Ammit. And once Ammit is freed, she will kill countless people for crimes they have not yet committed.
So on paper, Harrow and Ammit are the bad guys, and Khonshu is more of a jerk who’s not really evil. But it’s a bit more complicated than that.
Before we begin explaining Khonshu’s true motivations, we have to discuss the big twist of episode 2. And it’s that Arthur Harrow was Khonshu’s avatar before Marc.
And this is important.
For starters this is a major change for the show, since Harrow wasn’t a servant of Khonshu in the comics.
Marc isn’t the first Moon Knight, there have been countless others who had served the moon god over the ages.
We don’t know that much about Harrow’s time as the previous Moon Knight, but he seems to be a pretty bloodthirsty and a brutal individual. I mean it takes a special kind of person to go from serving a moon god to becoming a cult leader. So I would assume he wasn't the best person to begin with.
Khonshu sure knows how to pick them.
And that’s it really, the god seems to prey on the desperate and the mentaly ill. Those who are already unstable, the type of people he can manipulate easier.
Marc is suffering from dissociative identity disorder, and he has a bloody past because of his mercenary life. So basically making a deal with Khonshu is like making a deal with the devil.
Being Khonshu’s Fist of vengeance means delivering his own sense of justice. But there is a huge difference between justice and vengeance. Khonshu claims he’s fighting for justice, but in truth he wants vengeance. It’s a contradiction, because justice cannot be done out of selfish reasons, it needs to be honest and fair. Vengeance is about revenge, it’s about making yourself feel better for selfish and personal reasons. It’s biased. And for Khonshu it’s about hurting those he punishes, making them pay with violence and pain.
And this brings us to Khonshu’s true nature. He’s not a belevenont god. He appeared as such early in Moon Knight's stories.
But in recent stories, he became more of an antagonist to Moon Knight. In fact, Khonshu has been established as a malignant entity.
Khonshu is a vengeful, brutal, jealous and at times sadistic god.
And based on how Khonshu is presented in the first couple episodes, the god is far from being Marc’s ally, he’s someone who just manipulates and tries to control him.
Ever since Marc made a deal with Khonshu to save his life, the god has been manipulating and exploiting Marc’s body and mental state.
But recent stories in the comics have revealed Khonshu’s true nature. The show is heavily influenced by the two stories that exposed the god for what he really is, and those stories give us some hints to what we can expect from the god in the show. 
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Trash cuz we already know harrow
You misspelt Khonshu
He's a Jaded elder god but not a villain especially since he cares about human life and Justice just on a different realm of perspective then we do. I just found your channel dude and I'm loving your theories and breakdowns of the characters in this episode. I wonder if Steven would be a repressed personality that Marc has made to cope with losing Layla that's why Steven has so many similarities with her interest and knowledge. I really enjoyed this 2nd episode of Moon Knight it was great seeing the dynamic between Steve and Marc as personalities but they both can agree to disagree while Steve is still horrified by Marc's violent actions in seeing that Justice is done. Steve clearly sees through the Amitt Egyptian cult BS 💯 😂. The first and second episodes of Moon Knight were great as I expected and I can't wait until DR STRANGE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS AND THOR LOVE AND THUNDER IS GOING TO BE EPIC ⛈️⚡ 😎. Awesome I've always wanted to see a horror mental illness martial arts movie or show about how Konshu turns Marc Spector into BADASS MOON KNIGHT I knew this would be DOPE 😎👊. It's cool to see Oscar Isaac getting a second chance to shine in a Disney film because he was wasted in The Sequel Trilogy of Star Wars but he pulls off the British accent so well I can't distinguish it from his real voice and he really KILLED IT WITH THAT MULTIPLE PERSONALITY THING. 360TH COMMENT I'M EARLY ASFLIP 👊. THIS IS GOING TO BE EPIC. Seeing Dr Strange teaching Wanda to control her Scarlet Witch magical abilities and facing cosmic Multiversal level threats is awesome 😎. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
He's no saint, but I don't think he's the villain, specifically after the whole moral debate between Stephen and Arthur about the issue of killing people before they commit the alleged crimes they will commit.
It's Steven with a V
Yup I think Arthur got tired of punishing after the fact since the bad people would already have killed and destroyed and he wants to prevent it by killing them before they commit the acts.
@@MrLee-cy1pw TomaTO, TOmato.
@@markadams7046 it’s a joke from the episode when Steven said just that ‘Steven with a v’ lol
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Lol, thank you so much for including that clip from “the Room.” That had been in my mind this whole time
It was gold
Someone has to say "oh, hi Marc" at some point in this series lol.
Me too! This quote and Walking on Broken Glass by Annie Lennox keep coming to my mind.
🤣🤣😂😂
I think Erik Killmonger would be Khonshu’s ideal avatar, would love to see that interaction
Oooooh! Nice!
Nope, their views of justice will clash. Khonshu wants to wait for the act to be committed before punishing. Killmonger will rather strike first.
@@bern9642 Killmonger would likely serve ammit or anubis but against white privilege and colonialism
@@TR-qf2gt i think ammit will be a better fit for him, would he want to wait for the person to commit the crime before acting or rather kill them beforehand? he and khonshu will not get along at all.
@@bern9642 exactly my thoughts too
Khonshu saying "you are worth protecting" makes me wonder if his sense of justice is selective. Maybe he only values people who are useful to him and why he considers Steven the parasite.
Steven kinda is a parasite though he's not even the real personality.
He sees him worth protecting because he is useful for him to save the people he told gods that's he is the only one who cared
I want Steven to be the true identity. He’s so likable
I find him very idiotic and lacking self preservation
In DID patients all of the alters are real. Soo in a kind of way he is the true identity. They all are. But usually one or two tend to be the main hosts of the body. In this case, that's Marc and Steven. But I'm pretty sure they'll explore that third more violent identity at some point. They already teased it in episode 3.
I thought he was but spectors did stuff 10 years ago so most likely he’s the main body. But I think Layla’s gonna fall in love with the Stephen Grant persona and then marks gonna become a back thought until he’s really needed. Khonshu also has to be aware of the Jake Locksley or whoever the murderer personality is also so it’s gonna be a battle of who stays through adversity they think they can’t handle
@@topbilladezz yeah I agree. I wonder if they'll do what they did in the comics where Marc has always had DID and that's the reason why Conshu chose him. Because he was already broken.
Marc is the true identity sorry.
I don't think Layla is anything more than a bargaining chip to Khonshu. I'm hoping they don't pull the secret villain card (AGAIN!?). I'm wondering if Harrow is actually working as an Avatar of Ammit. Ammit isn't around atm so how would Harrow have become her avatar?
I think he's trying to become the Avatar of Ammit.
Yeah I think he only has the prior avatars staff. Giving him minor power compared to being the true avatar.
@@MrLee-cy1pw I think Harrow is trying to be a god himself, considering he’s a cult leader now.
I completely agree with you. I don’t think Konshu wants Layla as his next avatar/Fist of Vengenace. He’s only saying that as a means to keep Marc compliant with Konshu’s commands and wishes.
Harrow wants the abilities from the trinket. Even Khonshu doesn't want Harrow to have it.
So, IF Khonshu is afraid that Harrow has the item, that means he possibly can't stop the transformation from his end, and that harrow would have complete control of it.
My guess is that we are going to see a MK vs. "MK" fight later on.
Khonshu saying Layla could be the avatar if Marc failed reminded me of Yoda telling Obi-Wan “There is another” after Luke flies off to Bespin.
what's crazy about that line is that the first draft of Empire had Luke defeated by vader and Leia was there and picked up the saber to continue the fight, and that leia was to be the next chosen one.
and the way the line is presented, with the ship taking off, the screen fading to black, the music fading out, it seemed like they were foreshadowing that that would happen
But then the rest is history. I wondered if they intentionally made it seem like a very subtle foreshadow to throw the viewers off to what was about to happen
Except Khonshu is using it as a bribe/blackmail for him to get to work doing his bidding.
In Return Of The Jedi, Darth Vader taunted Luke about Leia: If you won't come to the Dark Side, then perhaps She will!
I love how the reluctant avatar will thematically connect to the rest of the midnight sons. They are all relatively reluctant characters that bear some power or curse unwillingly yet in the past decided to be this way. Wanda Maximoff volunteered to be tested upon by Strucker (though like Marc's potential underlying D.I.D. was destined to be the scarlet witch through her latent connection to chaos magic). Johnny Blaze ultimately decides to become the spirit of vengeance to save a loved one yet he is also doomed to this great power he really doesn't want. The Day walker is himself the reluctant vampire, a cursed half breed choosing to hunt down his own kind like vermin. Frank Castle is the reluctant soldier whose life as a weapon of the military destroyed his family, his abilities and life are no less tragic than the rest despite the fact that he is entirely human and without supernatural abilities (besides maybe his will to live). He chose to embrace his military life over his familial life up until he had no family to come home to. Dane Whitman as the black knight is I guess the reluctant decendant whose family heirloom and history is his curse and power. His choice is less obvious to me since I know probably the least about him but I am guessing his choice to embrace the curse of his family is where the choice comes into play. He could remain in the dark about his families history as most people do in modern day yet he doesnt, uncovers the dark history of his familiy and literally wields the cursed family heirloom. This is why I am most excited for the midnight sons direction the MCU is going. However I will be extremely disappointed if this connective theme between all of the "sons" isn't explored or realized in their formation.
I just imagine the team coming together to stop whatever threat they are facing cohesively, rather than having to be forced like the Avengers. The Avengers were a group of extremely different people that all had to be pushed into doing good together but this team can be the team that just "fit" together. That didn't butt heads (or at least as strongly) but instead embraces their similarities to form the most cohesive fighting unit in MCU history (except for maybe Cap's outcast team). That would be fresh as hell to see them all bond over their decisions to become who they are and why because everyone of them can relate to the decisions the others made.
Konshu needs Marc. He specifically says "I'll protect you with everything I have, you are worth protecting"
Yea he worth protecting as in I need you as my weapon. Without you I am nothing. This shown when without Marc or Steven all Konshu can do is blow some wind.
For those who seen Naruto. I am hoping Konshu relationship with his avatar goes the same with Naruto and the nine tails. They hate each other at first, using each other for their own benefits. But eventually they find combine ground and become friends. Maybe by season 3.
@@theinsurance2450 actually it's more than that. He's needs Marc specifically because he needs marcs access to resources as well as marcs mercenary skills. Without that skillset konshu's avatar would get his ass beat all the time.
It's also textbook reverse psychology
He only threatens to leave to get Marc to tow the line and be a good subordinate. It's an empty threat sounding loudly and signifying nothing. 😂
He doesn’t need Marc, he just “prefers” him. Khonshu is like a toxic narcissist boyfriend. He wants to tear Marc down so he is dependent on him. He’ll tell him he’s worthless one second, then tell him he’s important the next. He’s only happy when Marc is being subservient to him.
@@marcusmcneal7453 he needs Marc. You literally just made the same argument as me and tried to use it to support the idea that konshu doesn't need Marc. You're wrong because you're trying to use the exact same point to illustrate an entirely different outcome. 😂 How do you not understand that konshu needs Marc almost as much if not more than Marc needs konshu.
@@BrockSamsonite Not at all. How do you figure? Khonshu is a literal god that can pick anyone he wants to be his avatar, as he has done repeatedly throughout history and as recently as Arthur Harrow. He WANTS Marc for his avatar, but he doesn’t NEED him. Marc can be replaced which is exactly what Khonshu uses to threaten him.
I agree it makes sense that Khonshu could be revealed to be A villain in this story. I'm not sure about him being THE villain. Maybe all the Egyptian gods are villains, because what Harrow is doing doing in the name of Ammit is clearly not good either.
Punishing after the crime makes more sense and seems fair.
We also gotta consider there might not be "The" villain. In real life, people often defy this good vs. evil trope. Some people commit heinous acts in the name of being good. Some people do good and don't even know what good is, they're just compassionate. Some just fight. Some have selfish intentions from the get go but their actions end up positively affecting the world.
It seems to me that Konshu is just the natural antithesis of ammit
For once, I actually kinda hope Khonshu is not a full twist villain.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s fun, but I feel WandaVision, Loki, Eternals, & Hawkeye all did that concept & if you do it again here, fans will likely start complaining about it being too formulaic. I don’t think it’ll too big a reveal. It seems they’re not even hiding that Khonshu is imperfect.
He’s practically holding Marc’s wife over his head & bragging that he owns his body. I think we’ll find out that there’s just more truth to what Arthur said about Khonshu, which is cool & makes things feel more realistic. Just don’t go full “it was ME running the circus the whole time! MUAHAHAHA!”
@@ZeRo-yc7zf yup... I'm sure he is just a jerk and that's all
@@bern9642 exactly. Are his intentions good or evil? Probably neither. He orders the death of those that he deems dangerous for humanity based on their actions. He threatens to make layla his avatar if marc fails but who knows if he's telling the truth? He's probably just grilling marc. After all why would he make some lady the avatar when this dangerous mercenary can't get the job done?
Ammit on the other hand, is trying to chose who is worthy of living in this world. Will happily kill anyone she pleases. Her "avatar" is charming and inviting and leading others to an early death.
It's between a jerk and a snake. If I had a choice, neither would be calling the shots. Some people probably need to die to save the world from a terrible hell, hitler for example which is probably why Konshu is on the protagonist side in this instance. But both gods are using their powers to take life away from people for their agenda
Bro!!! The “oh high mark” cracked me up. James Franco played him pretty good
It does seem like Marc and Steven will put some dirt in khonshu's eyes, well, atleast Marc because he wants to make Layla his avatar
Steven seems to care about her too I doubt he'd throw her under the bus he's a softboi
Edit: I mean throw dirt in her eye
It’s obvious Steven also has feelings for her so I think Steven might do something too
What if layla is being used as a tool to manipulate steven into taking certain actions? I think konshu is using the threat of making her his avatar to keep marc for himself. Steven is the only one succeeding at preventing marc from his mission. Marcs mission seems to be to get free of konshus grasp. Who would want to stop that other than konshu? By manipulating steven (the weaker doubtful personality) it undermines marcs efforts (the strong and confident personality).
@@HOAXTelevision Layla and Marc/Steven are the same person, she's one of Marc's personalities state, calling it, maybe even Arthur also, idkw but the "Fight Club" vibes are all over the place in the show.
@@paulderache9038 i dont rule out that idea. Your comments on the similarities between steven and layla definitely present a compelling argument. Steven creating an ally and a love interest. Or marc. Or john smith. Or whoever lol.
After episode 3, I can easily say that’s a no. He just sacrificed himself in order to help Marc and Steven spot Ammit’s tomb to reach there before Harrow. That’s a large sacrifice on his behalf so he’s definitely not a villain.
hes nott a villan nor a good guy
@@chtcken7516 I say he’s considered good until proven guilty.
@@appletherapy true these are all just theries
But he kills harrow when he had a chance to change and he did change but he killed him. Anyway boohoo
@@whoviansforlife6636 He didn’t change, he just gave up since the goddess’s power was weakened. But I guess that counts for something
I don’t think he’s the main villain but he’s definitely not a good guy. I think It’ll be a I’ll do your justice but I’ll do it my way kind of thing
When he sees the other threats he'll stop being the over bearing micro managing boss.
He's like DC's Lobo, mentally, imo.
He only cares for himself most of the time, is mentally crazy af, but isn't about total destruction of everything because it doesn't really benefit him to be a God, without people.
Vengeance isn't an evil-only exclusive pattern either. He's literally made a name for himself as the "protector of travelers at night." So, ..Good, right?
Think of it this way... He isn't Thanos-level bad, and he isn't exactly a superhero like spiderman, doing everything morally correct. He's a God, so morality really doesn't apply anyway.
He's kinda like JK Simmons from Whiplash
Also the argument of applying "modern morality" to ancient beings. DC's "JSA: Black Reign" discussed this, as that version of Black Adam is from a few thousand years ago. The mythical moon is not known for stability, aka lunacy and poetic luna-sea as it affects the ebb and flow of tides. Many cultures have triple god/desse/s, example of Greece's Artemis, Selene, and Hecate for three phases (full, half, new). Look close to see if there is an onion tied to his belt since that was the style at the time😉
5:00.....I enjoy your content in all of its nuance, I really do- but this meme is by far the crown jewel of everything to this point that you have accomplished. My god man. Bravo.
Mind blown. Thank you for all the time spent on this research. Well done.
NOW I’m more interested in watching this series. I didn’t realize how deep this was. Nice job!!
There is a part of me that suspect s that in that odd way of "gods" that he didn't fully understand what he was doing when he found Marc. Afterall, changing personas is all a part of the Egyptian god thing, so Khonshu might not realize what he has done. But now, yes, he is just using Layla as a threat to keep Marc.
I think you're absolutely right. This was an awesome video!
the "Float like a butterfly sting like a bee" scene oml 🤣🤣🤣
literally getting the mental place in the show
Dude I love your videos. The clips you edit in. Straight to the point info. Its funny! Its great!
Thanks Ryan!
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I really like the Marvel RUclipsrs, new rockstar's and everything always. But, you are very detailed and I like the little comic bits with your dog and your mom jokes!! 🤣. Keep up the good work bra!
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Khonshu and Marc might have a tumultuous working relationship, but they need each other to get things done. Khonshu needs an Avatar to enact his vengeance, and Marc needs Moon Knight’s power to fight against the supernatural threats he encounters.
I have a feeling Khonshu used Mark to kill Layla’s father to ensure that when he needs to switch over to Layla, he can expose this truth and easily turn her towards a desire for vengeance. It appears he is using Mark to plant seeds of resentment and anger in Layla, as well as love and desire which will ensure she will be an ideal candidate for a future fist of vengeance. Just a theory. ;)
true but I think another persona might have done it and Marc genuinely doesn’t know what dudes talking about and is really just trying to protect her from the scarab
@@topbilladezz I agree with you about Mark not doing it. :) I should have been more clear (it’s definitely an interesting challenge to talk about one human with multiple alters), I have a bad habit of referring to Oscar Issacs’ character as Mark and not explaining which part of him I think is doing what. So, long story, long-yes, I believe you are right that another alter may have done it. I’m wondering if Mark “awoke” after the other more violent alter had killed Layla’s father. The only other idea I had, is that Khonshu may have been using Layla’s dad as an avatar and maybe that relationship went sour and Khonshu switched from using Layla’s dad as an avatar and began using Oscar Issacs’ character. I imagine it playing out in a similar way to Darth Sidious switching his apprentice from Dooku to Anakin Skywalker in Revenge of the Sith. I honestly have no idea, but it’s fun to think about 😊
I think Jake Lockley killed him
The scream might be might favorite scene so far 😂
Maybe being an Avatar is a bit like the Super Serum, it makes good people great and turns bad people into monsters. Steven could be the part of Marc Spectors mind that is good which is why it seems to be the dominant personality. Harrow only had one personality which is bad so he became evil and tried to use Konshu's power for his own means.
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The moon has phases. The moon is often connected with lunacy. Khonshu actually seems some times kind to his avatar, assuring him he will protect him and seemingly valuing him, other times he seems threatening and manipulative. The MCU does not always follow the current comic book tales. Frequently it includes elements that touch upon the comic books but are not the same. Just a suggestion here but rather than Khonshu necessarily being the bad guy per se. Perhaps it is possible that he was drawn to Marc/Steven/etc because he also has multiple personalities/phases? Perhaps these were not as pronounced previously? Possibly they have become more pronounced and harder to control? Perhaps, something has happened to him and Marc that has made it hard to control the shift from dominant to sub personalities?
I think it's possible that they could at one time more easily control that transition and now they can't for some reason. Marc says as much to Steven. He seems to be referencing his control of his personalities but it is possible that Khonshu is suffering a similar problem. Steven is clearly capable intellectually. He takes in vast amounts of information reading almost constantly when he can. One can well imagine that this was a personality called forth when the avatar needed to absorb lots of information in a short period of time, i.e nerd avatar, I suspect there's also a ladies man or smooth Mr Fixit type like the Face Man in the A Team and likely other personalities too, maybe a journalist type who can root out information etc? But these characters are now, apparently, randomly taking over. Not surprisingly the intellectual one being the more dominant suddenly. If something similar is also happening to Khonshu it would explain the temper tantrums contrasting with the 'gentle protective Khonshu'. Also if he's already had this, but likely not as pronounced, it might explain why the other so-called gods don't like him We should not wholly trust Arthur Harrow's comments but a little truth mixed with lies makes them more believable and Arthur clearly knows this.
There's also another possibility. A different personality could become Khonshu's fist of justice.
I am not familiar with this character at all and I am loving it. This is like DCs edrogen to multiple powers. The grayness of who is good or evil is amazing.
The quick "kill him" from Konshu when Steven was in Harrows compound cracked me tf up, wasn't expecting that
“break his windpipe” 😭😭😭 this show goated asf
Khonshu's energy is just something else
It is possible that Ethan Hawke's character was lying about being Konshu's previous avatar.
Well, in the OG comics, he had plenty avatars who weren't suggested or even talked about through the years before Dr. Harrow was even alive.
So, it is possible that he was. However, we are given no idea of who those people were, only that is insane brother (Bushman) tried to be healed by the statue of Khonshu, after he witnessed Mark's own healing, and Khonshu didn't do a darn thing for him (because he didn't want him, or already had an avatar).
@@reviewwithyou2 ofcourse. i just think we shouldn't always believe what antagonists say
@@idioticfun1901 No kidding. That's always good, especially when marvel converts from comics to movie/series. Of course they change things up.
Just saying what the comic version is supposed to be. We can only judge from that so far.
Who's Ethan hawke?
@@theman3274 Harrow
“Oh hai Marc”
Major props for The Room drop.
These Moon Knight theories hurt my brain but I love them!!!
Would be great to see other personas in the coming weeks
I don’t think khonshu actually wants Layla, since she’s probably not as easily manipulated as Marc. He probably says he wants Layla to keep Marc trapped (written before watching)-
What you said is most likely spot on. Konshus main concern is humanity not the worshipping of the gods. He feels like the gods gave up a long time ago but he wont. He’s just super manipulative. I think that’s the shows way of showing humans are really an image of the gods themselves
"Oh, hi Marc"
Yeah, that got me.
Excellent
When Mr. Night was holding the chainless nunchucks , I was waiting for Deadpool to pop out in someway lmao.
I like the direction the show is headed
Hey Ryan! Big Fan… I’ve been having a lingering weird theory brewing… hoping you could explore the, “laters gators” farewell Steven gives his mom… is it possible that Amit, the gators lady herself is getting voicemails from Steven? I’m sure there’s plenty of run way for countless “Your Mom” jokes for you to play with as well… cheers keep up the great work!
I’m glad you mentioned taking his wife is only a threat and he doesn’t really want her. Great video as always.
I agree, I think it’s a threat & a bargaining chip. I bet Khonshu knows that Marc would never let any harm come to Layla ( like how hard he’s been trying to keep her away from himself & Khonshu )
I applaud you for not putting in the guitar sting from “Layla” every time you say her name because I always add it.
Oh hi mark. LOL. The room, epic.
So let me get this straight, When Steven loses control Marc ( the original personality ) regains his body back. But when Marc turns into Moon Knight, then is it still Mark ? Or Khonshu possessing his body and giving him superhuman strength and stamina?
I am pretty sure it's still Marc. Because in the second episode, he speaks while in the suit, and it's Marc's American accent and voice, not Konshu's. Konshu just powers him through the suit, and is always present to tell him what to do and to remind him about the deal constantly.
Marc wears the armor and Steven wears the Mr. Knight suit.
Basically yes. Moon Knight is just Marc in costume and imbued with powers from Khonshu. He’s still himself the same as any other superhero. This also applies to Mr. Knight/Steven. He’s still himself as Mr. Knight, just with a dope suit and powers.
Both really.
Every character that MK shows is on their own. Their own mind, so to speak.
Khonshu basically doesn't force them to do anything, but he will annoy the crap out of someone, or basically bribe/blackmail them with their freedom later on until they do what he is saying, ..or he promotes another avatar and takes the power away altogether.
In the comics, other characters theorized that the three personalities are only there as a result of Khonshu's own multifaceted nature rubbing off on him.
@@ricofed439 I hope Mr Knight gets his own persona
I just noticed that screen rant and screen crush are 2 different channels
I'll laugh about that The Room reference for days now.
Only real issue I have with it is there must be thousands of John Walker type ex-military guys out there who would line up to volunteer to be the Avatar for Konshu which would save Konshu from all the headaches of dealing with Marc/Steven/Jake(?). Many people would do it for the power alone but would convince themselves that they were doing the right thing. So I hope they add an additional criteria that makes Marc the ideal candidate to be the Avatar.
@Muttation55 But it's gone so far that it's become a problem. You are also misrepresenting what Hawke's character said, he never said you need to have DID to be his avatar.
My point is there were would plenty of people would would willfully give themselves over to a God, including many with fractured minds, instead of having an Avatar who is constantly fighting him.
@@andrewshandle Khonshu also needs someone he can manipulate, by threatening to mess with Layla, hence why Marc is more inclined to follow his instructions. There might be more conditions Khonshu need for someone to be his avatar, we'll see
@@captainobvious90 Why does he need to manipulate them? What if the person was willing to do what he wanted?
You are backing into an explanation on very faulty logic, "because he's manipulating Marc that means he _needs_ to manipulate his Avatar" doesn't pass the smell test. Remember, manipulating Marc is just a means to an end, it's not the end in its own right. If Marc just did what he wanted he wouldn't need to manipulate him. We know this because of that last scene with Marc and Konshu when they literally talk about it.
Great video to understand what the hell is going on. I only read one comic with Moon night in it when I was younger. Now I'm 38 and remember it being so cool that I ripped it out and hung up a pic of Moon Night on my wall. Now I'm like WTF did I do?👀😵💫
Ryan (ScreenCrush) it might be a good idea if you make us a Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie Review video as well as maybe Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie Breakdown about all the Easter Eggs and References we missed video and Speculation about Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Knuckles Spin-Off series (Paramount+ Original) video.
Who do you want to see appear in the show, from the MCU?
Spider-man or Dr. Strange, thought I'm guessing neither of those will happen (at least within the show).
I want this ratio to appear in the show.
Your mom
Blade or Black Knight with Moon Knight,mostly black knight when show gets dark and dark , Also want to see kit harington in action. as he never got to sit on throne
No one, let it be self-contained for now it's been so good! I would say Black Panther because I think your Baast avatar theory has legs, though of course... that one is trickier now. If not him, then no one I say
6:18 that's it that's the twist
Every time I see Harrow walking, I envision Annie Lennox belting out: “Feels just like I’m walking on broken glass.”
I expected that song too.
I remember that sing. I used to love it.
I think the DID will eventually be Khnoshu's undoing - as who better to suppress an unwanted internal voice like Khonshu's than someone who has multiple personalities?
Yea he worth protecting as in I need you as my weapon. Without you I am nothing. This shown when without Marc or Steven all Konshu can do is blow some wind.
For those who seen Naruto. I am hoping Konshu relationship with his avatar goes the same with Naruto and the nine tails. They hate each other at first, using each other for their own benefits. But eventually they find combine ground and become friends. Maybe by season 3.
“Oh hi Mark” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love Konshu. By far the most relatable character in the MCU
The Monty Python clip was highly unanticipated, and highly appreciated.
I hope they don't kill him off. He's way better then in the comics.
This aspect reminds me a lot of the Legion story on FX
First Off, haven't watched Moin Knights but
Please please let konshu bei evil in the Comics it was awsome
I completely agree with you. I don’t think Konshu wants Layla as his next avatar/Fist of Vengenace. He’s only saying that as a means to keep Marc compliant with Konshu’s commands and wishes.
70TH COMMENT I'M EARLY ASFLIP AGAIN 👊. He's a Jaded elder god but not a villain especially since he cares about human life and Justice just on a different realm of perspective then we do. I just found your channel dude and I'm loving your theories and breakdowns of the characters in this episode. I wonder if Steven would be a repressed personality that Marc has made to cope with losing Layla that's why Steven has so many similarities with her interest and knowledge. I really enjoyed this 2nd episode of Moon Knight it was great seeing the dynamic between Steve and Marc as personalities but they both can agree to disagree while Steve is still horrified by Marc's violent actions in seeing that Justice is done. Steve clearly sees through the Amitt Egyptian cult BS 💯 😂. The first and second episodes of Moon Knight were great as I expected and I can't wait until DR STRANGE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS AND THOR LOVE AND THUNDER IS GOING TO BE EPIC ⛈️⚡ 😎. Awesome I've always wanted to see a horror mental illness martial arts movie or show about how Konshu turns Marc Spector into BADASS MOON KNIGHT I knew this would be DOPE 😎👊. It's cool to see Oscar Isaac getting a second chance to shine in a Disney film because he was wasted in The Sequel Trilogy of Star Wars but he pulls off the British accent so well I can't distinguish it from his real voice and he really KILLED IT WITH THAT MULTIPLE PERSONALITY THING. 360TH COMMENT I'M EARLY ASFLIP 👊. THIS IS GOING TO BE EPIC. Seeing Dr Strange teaching Wanda to control her Scarlet Witch magical abilities and facing cosmic Multiversal level threats is awesome 😎. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
I read your first bit...ya
@@XLNC24 Ok AND 😂
The other option that is overlooked entirely is that the Ennead all deal with infighting for dominion (power, authority, and jurisdiction) and use their ‘servants’ aka “powered humans” as avatars to carry their will out while the Ennead are occupied with each other.
The larger picture is that the 1st Ennead + the Pharaoh = the 10 gods of Mitzrayim (Egypt)were defeated by HASHEM, the God of the Hebrews/Jews during the time of Moshe at the event of Pesach (Passover) and the Exodus. 10 gods, 10 plagues - Shemot (Exodus) 12:12.
It is also no coincidence that this show is being released during the actual season of Pesach (Passover) aka, Easter.
Honestly part of me hopes he’s not because so many of these Disney+ shows are ending with some secrets true villain reveal and it’s getting old
Still better than cardboard cutouts like the Dark Elves
@@GlobalSingeing it's not.
Yeah we already have a clear set up villain with Arthur and Ammit. just stick to that.
It'll be interesting to see how this all ties into Thor Love and Thunder
11:34 Welcome!!!
Great breakdown...but real talk I want to know who the little girl is from episode 1...she asked did it suck for him....
With the clip they just dropped of Arthur and and Moon Knight fighting on a rooftop, I'm going to guess that the villian, as always, is Kanye.
Arthur's the villan, Marc and konshu are the anti heros, I feel like if anything konshus going to redeem himself and not be considered a shamed God and that's how is arc will go
Absolutely
I theorize the entity called KONSHU might not be a villain; But I do have a strong feeling he once was taken control of by an evil entity, and I theorize he might of been forced to do many horrible deeds before he figured out a way to break himself free.
In addition I theorize that is why KONSHU is so very uptight, sometimes very violent, to why he was so desperate to find a mortal to be a warrior, and who would use his powers to fight against wrong doers, and to add against evil of almost any type.
Back when I was a teenager I had the "Fist of Vengeance." And I usually only saw him when i was alone in my room too. 😁
And oh did I ever deliver "The God's Vengeance!" Sometimes I spent so much time delivering it that my family thought Konshu would curse me to go blind 😣
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Wtf💀🤣
@@MfsUnitedAgainstMe What?😏
The lore doesnt end there either. My "Fist of Vengeance" also had multiple personalities! He was normally just good ole Rosie Palmer. But her multiples included, Cindy Crawford, Mariah Carey, the girl I sat behind in Social Studies, and Rue McClanahan (Konshu cursed TfoV with a Golden Girls fetish 🤷). 😆
Khonshu is always one of the villains.
At this point, i think the plot twist would be he is actually good
I just realised that Arthur Harrow and Ammit have huge similarities to Project Insight.
i thought he was the comedian of the show
“Oh no, the idiot’s in control”
3:20- khonshu sounds like Loki
Here's what I think happened: Marc was lost and full of self-loathing, totally at his worst, just how Konshu wants his avatars, and for a while Marc did everything that was asked of him as Moon Knight. Then at some point Marc found Layla and attempted to make amends with her and probably looked after her as a friend, unable to tell her why he was alive and her father was not, not truly feeling worthy of his second chance at living. Eventually a romance occurred, they got married and after a while, something strange happened: Marc actually started to get better. He was happier, he probably was more open with her than he is now, their relationship was affectionate, and he found himself healing and his distaste for his work as Moon Knight was growing and he wanted to just live a normal life with his wife. This is a problem for the Moon God, and he plays the only card he has: Marc's wife. That made Marc backslide and believe that he would never be free. Then his mother died, and he finally snapped and the one comforting presence he had left (Steven) took the wheel, setting this whole story into motion.
It makes sense I guess
Bucky should be his next apprentice
In some way, he's like JK Simmons in Whiplash or a stage parent, he see's so much potential in his "child" but pushes them too hard sometimes.
That’s somehow a perfect analogy, also the conductor also did a bunch of manipulation on the student throughout the film
Khonshu is maybe connected to the villian since Arthur said when he was his Avatar he grew tired of punishing the ones who already did something. - You know. Khonshu "ideals" was the start for Arthur to think like he said in the show - strike before act is commited.
-. But to me Khonshu seems that he maybe knows this all started thanks to him. So now he tries to keep Marc (in Future ) Steven maybe even his third indentity (Jake?) In the lane. if Marc keeps working for him there won't be any other tries to "strike before ctíme is commited" (kill the child before that kid can do anything etc)
Though Khonshu's actions? They will do some problems. He and Marc thinks that Marc is the only one for job And they still want to to "Cut Steven off" But I Hope they will learn to work together!
In my opinion. Khonshu is like a very old grumpy man who thinks it HAVE TO BE his way. That's not a villian vibe. He And Marc needs to face situation when they will need Steven. 😂
Khonshu is misspelled in the title.
Konshu is Marc’s warlock patron, in D&D terms.
If u look at konshu powers its power from the dark dimension because its the same type of magic kaicelius was using in Dr Strange. Konshu is vengeance and order. So basically order leads to chaos. Also Moon knight has 3 personalities.... Marc, Steven and Jake. Jake is the violent personality that's hidden and the show is teasing.
I am def curious how Harrow broke free of Khonshu . Or maybe his lying about that 🤔? I agree that Harrow will probably tempt marc/Steven about freedom from being an Avatar. Looking forward to Ep.3 and can I just say... I think Moon Knight's costume is currently the best in the MCU. Everytime I see it I'm like, the design team really did that!
I’m sure it was the same way Spector could’ve just parted ways if he knew better and wasnt under konshus clutch at the meeting with the other Gods. Last meeting was when he got banished and Harrow is more than familiar with the gods to the point where they even allow him to be summoned without an avatar
He might trick them into giving him a spot
After all sacrifice has to come for a great price, just like not tolerating within human affairs
oh hi marc! killed me already
Khonshu voice actor could totally voice the elder God for a new legacy of kain series
Khonshu: i mean yea i may have brought you back from the dead but your soul was an application to my line of work. Mark: so im your slave and have to do your bidding. Khonshu: no, your body is doing my bidding your soul is just there for the ride
No, the real villain who's pulling the strings is Mephisto.
No because you can’t judge people before things happen. Things are always changing