10mm vs 44 mag for bear defense
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2021
- I compare the 10mm and the 44 magnum cartridges, weighing their strengths and weaknesses for the role of bear defense.
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10mm in a a chest holster, and 44mag in a belt holster. That's my vote.
I would rather swap one or both for a long gun at that point but to each their own.
So you are a belt and suspenders type of guy! Can't go wrong.
@@stevemcleod4608 Yes sir.
You are well protected
I raise you 10mm in chest sw500 in waist
I have a system I like to use to determine which pistol I carry for bears here in NW Wyoming. I call it "bear priority zones" and it amounts to which areas I'm least likely to run into a grizzly as opposed to areas where a bear encounter is much more likely. For low priority areas I carry my G20 10mm with Buffalo Bore 220gr hardcast. In medium priority areas I carry my S&W 629 in .44mag with Buffalo Bore 305gr hardcast. In high priority areas I carry my 12ga pump with 1oz slugs. I'm typically alone out there and although a bear encounter can happen anywhere at any time, each of those weapons are capable of stopping a surly bear... it's just that some are better than others. The best bear defense is excellent situational awareness though. And your girlfriend did one heck of a job with that target. I'm really impressed.
Going with a long gun where an encounter is likely is a good idea. Great point about situational awareness too. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I second your vote of G20 w/ 220gr Buffalo Bore hardcast; It’s my PNW hiking load for blackbear and cougar country.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 By being aware of my surroundings, I've smelled bears well before ever seeing them. In a canyon on the eastern slope of the Beartooth Mountains I was following the creek when everything got eerily quiet. I kept catching quick glimpses of movement in the timber about 50 - 60 yards away at the base of the wall but every time I turned to look... nothing. The hair stood up on the back of my neck and I drew my pistol and cautiously moved through the rest of the trees and into the open. I'm almost positive that a mountain lion was stalking me but I never got a look at it. By paying attention to those cues I've been able to avoid bad encounters and had they come, I was prepared for them. I still know that it could happen though, get lax one time too many and you can find yourself in a bad situation.
Try 10mm underwood 200 grain cast. You’ll do better using one weapon as repetitive memory in high stress events is critical. Find motor skills become absent. Best wishes.
great video and comparison, personally I have both (G40 for me) but I prefer the quickness and the ability of a full magazine reload to trying to reload a revolver, you may hit the bear or any other dangerous animal but may need following shots to survive, some misses are highly probable when the SHTF 🤣🤣🤣 again great video. thank you👏
"Shoot the most powerful gun you can shoot well" excellent advice. I've seen people go out and buy a 357 or 44 or a 454 etc as their very first gun for bear protection while camping. My friend carried a 44 every time he went camping. I took him shooting one day and he shot his 44 apparently for the first time and darn near broke his wrist. For years all I felt comfortable with was 9mm so that's what I carried. So what if you have an anti bear cannon if you can't point and shoot it. Shoot the most powerful gun you are comfortable with
And shoot it on target more than once.
Thanks Kyle!
A .44 almost breaking a wrist?! Please.... Unless you're hanging around with 8yo girls, I call BS. A .44 IS actually pretty tame.
@@adamcraig6926 When the biggest pistol you've shot is a 9mm and you pick up a 2.5 inch 44 with bear rounds that's a big difference.
@@kyleenderle6538 Choosing the snubby was his problem.
Great video. The 44 Mag is an American icon. I bought my 44 Mag due to the American reputation it achieved with good reason. I know the Americans don't screw around, and I base my buys on your experiences and guidance on what the great people of America do.
This is an exact comparison that I have been wondering about. After the penetration test I figured the 44 would be "it". When I saw how many more rounds you could send down range with the 10, I changed my mind.
The deciding factor for me was that the animal will not be stationary, so being able to accurately put more lead down range is important.
Great video.
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.
He ain't gonna be zig zagging either. coming at you straight and FAST. You need to put him down on the first shot. 44 mag all day long.
@@rockymntdan1 Free country. I seriously doubt the target picture will be steady. Add a massive adrenaline dump, and I doubt either of us will hit our target. That said, I want to be able to send more than 2 or 3 rounds down range.
@@rockymntdan1 If you miss and don't have time to fire 2-3-4-5 more shots before he gets you then it matters a whole lot. Either will stop the bear with a brain or spin shot, either are capable of hitting those spots. Difference is how many times you get to press the trigger. Edited to add, the trigger on the Glock vs the long stroke of the double action revolver could very well impact the accuracy a great deal as well.
@@rockymntdan1 He may not be zig zagging, but the head will be bobbing up and down with the cadence of the running bear, making a good head shot challenging on the first shot. I love the .44 magnum cartridge, but 13 + 1 in a Glock 20 is going to edge it out for most practical use cases. A .460 Rowland conversion on the Glock 20 or 21 platform will provide capacity and controllability, while retaining the power of the mid-range .44 magnum, and would definitely be my choice if I move to Alaska.
The best .44 vs 10mm test on youtube IMO. Good stuff and fun to watch!
Thanks a lot, Glad you enjoyed it.
You 100% absolutely deserve a like and a subscribe. This is easily one of the best comparison videos I've seen and you made it happen with less than what most people have. Thank you for the efforts that were put into this.
Thanks a lot Edwin! I appreciate it.
Carried my .44 mag in Alaska for over 35 years and never felt over gunned when it came to bear. That said I’d prefer a .454 Casull, but if I go out today, the .44 will go.
C.J. Box loves that big boy .454
454 is a beast of a round but i simply can’t control the recoil very well because of my size (thank you vietnamese genetics)
Always chuckle a bit at the armchair outdoorsman who think throwing more lead is more effective…and thinking they will have the time to throw these less effective rounds (commenters not you Alan). HUGE error in this test was that the target was static for those three seconds. You get one, maybe two shots and that bear is on you (4 yards!). Penetration and energy is key, not volume. I’ve worked throughout backcountry of Alaska and have carried shotgun and .44…shotgun tough to manage in thick vegetation so I leaned to .44 but felt under gunned…always liked when we had a bear guard with a .338 win mag to watch over us!
I agree that the test would have been better with a moving bear, didn't really have that in the budget but maybe something we can do in the future. This test compares two schools of thought on the subject and I flip flop between the two camps. I carry the 10mm a lot more often as a backup to a long gun when weight is a factor. But if a handgun is all I got I usually go with the 44.
Excellent video and impressive you did it in frigid conditions with cold hands. I'm 73 years old and have owned and shot a whole bunch of semi-auto and revolver pistols over the years. I tend to stick with revolvers with .38 Spl as EDC and .44 Mag for large animal protection simply because they always work. Literally every semi-auto I have owned has failed to load, eject, go into battery, etc over the years and as a firm believer in Murphy's law, I want my failure possibilities as near zero as possible. Jess
Thanks a lot for watching! Confidence in equipment matters.
I know very little about sub freezing conditions being raised in the South, but how does the weather affect the semi auto (if any) vs. revolver?
@Jim Knouls In watching concealed carry classes over 10+ years, students varying from novice to experienced, the real world results are: multiple auto failures every class, (mostly shooter-induced). NEVER have had a revolver failure in class, NEVER. However, before the first range session, all student handguns are evaluated days before range time. We have caught mechanical problems with revolvers BEFORE we hit the range, and fixed those problems. But we have also found mechanical problems with autos that required repair too. Believe it or not most of the time the mechanical issue with revolver or auto is because the owner disassembled the handgun and did not get it back together correctly! Our only hand gun failures in class tend to be autos with bad mags, broken extractors, or bent/broken ejectors, or students who continually limp wrist autos. Limp wrist problems are very common with sub-compact autos. (LOTS of Glock 26's traded back in on snub-nose revolvers.). Lots of Glock 19's coming back too as new shooters find they do not feel safe concealed-carrying the Glock "safe-action" trigger. With all the new shooters experimenting with handguns, revolvers are again seeing a new surge in popularity, as less experienced shooters discover that revolvers work all the time on the range for them, while autos are more problematic in reliable operation.
Ditto
@Jim Knouls That's because it's a Taurus.
Great presentation you two! My 33-year old daughter is 5'-3" and spends a lot of time in the back country. This has been a common discussion and I am sure she will enjoy your video and all of the great comments. Thank you!
Great job on the bear cardboard cutout! So simple yet so effective to show the Bear's profile while charging you! So many others talk about this important subject but you guys successfully illustrate it! Thank you!
Thanks a lot, I plan on having a charging bear target later this winter.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 First impression upon reading this comment "How in the F_K is he going to simulate the charge??? Lawn mower?"
AGREED! That target is perfect (and his girlfriend is obviously a keeper.)
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 patent that Bear target and sell it, I'd buy a pack of 5!
This video has the most, as of Feb 25 2023, the most video views-to-subscriber ratio of any gun video i've seen yet! I'm in the revolver camp but you've got a new subscriber !
Which goes to show the demand to see realistic gun versus charging bear experiments. Even this of course cannot accurately simulate a real life bear charge with a constantly moving target that is three dimensional and not one dimensional and the lack of adrenaline in the shooter. There are however actual bear charges that have been recorded so those videos are worth looking at. At the end of the day it's a crapshoot depending on a bunch of factors but it's best to do some research and training and a silhouette target such as this can be helpful to a degree particularly if it was moving forward and up and down a bit.
Best demonstration video I have seen on the differences between the two guns. I have seen people talk about the differences but the demonstration drives the points home.
Thanks a lot! I appreciate it.
This was an enjoyable video to watch. Fair evaluation of two powerful cartridges. You seem very comfortable with both. Either would be good in the moment of stopping a Bear Charge. I had the great pleasure of fishing Southeast Alaska for Salmon and there were bears all around us. I saw one Grizzly run along the river bank and I was totally impressed at how quickly this Big Bear could move. They get my respect for sure. Stay safe and shoot straight. Thanks for sharing. God Bless.
Thanks a lot! They are pretty impressive when they run through the water like that.
I have been charged while guiding and using a semi auto was able to get 12 shots off inside of 20ft on a full speed charging bear. I will always opt for semi auto and higher magazine capacity. Currently I carry 10mm Springfield with magazine extension, looking at upgrading to 460 Rowland. Great video keep it up.
Thanks! Good shooting, glad you are ok. Thanks for sharing your experience. Capacity is a good thing to have.
Glad you're ok! Would you mind letting us poor Europeans who have never seen a bear or a gun before: did the bear go down immediately? Do you think the first few rounds would have been enough? Thanks.
@@xntumrfo9ivrnwf It did not go down until my 12th shot. Granted there were shots that missed and bullet holes in the brush. It basically died at my feet. I now carry a larger ar-15 rifle in 458 socom which has very effectively killed two bears (one charging at close range). I will also be upgrading my sidearm to 460 Rowland.
@@LeifBirnbaum Wow! I can't imagine being in such a stressful situation... 3 times! Insane!
Also scary that the 1st one took 12 shots... if the bear were a bit closer... damn.
A bit of a tangent, but roughly speaking, do you think a 10mm from a Glock would be able to breach the skull (if the shot is well placed, etc., etc.)?
@@xntumrfo9ivrnwf using bear loads I would think. But almost an impossible shot. My first charge I was using 45 auto and had two holes right between the eyes but nothing that hit the skull. I pulled one of my slugs out of the neck that had traveled through the face and down the neck where the hide caught it. Shots were angled down as the bear was crouched very low to the ground.
Great video! Love the penetration test - simple, easy to see results. Nice to see how far the .44 would have gone. Amazing accuracy with the 10mm on the cut-out. The .44 with 305g gotta be the one. Good shooting!
Thanks a lot!
When I was stationed in Alaska(1985 to 92) I had a Glock 20(10mm) and later got a Colt Anaconda(44 mag.). Felt safe(if you really feel safe against a bear) carrying either one but my first choice was the 44 mag. since it is more powerful than the 10mm. Actually I had to draw both guns due to run in with bears but luckily I didn’t have to shot but I will remember those times forever. Thanks for the great review
Cool, Thanks for watching and sharing your experiences. The python was a neat revolver.
Both the Glock 20 and Colt Anaconda were released on the market in 1991. What did you carry again? 😂😂
Id say both times thanks to those firearms your Balls swelled up and the bear saw how big your cajones were and left you alone... attitude plays a big part at defending yourself from a bear.
More capacity and better shot placement with the 10MM
@@poacher-ec9zo The Anaconda was actually 1990, but with the Glock 20 I was wondering the same thing.
very good stuff , I appreciate your honest candor . too many youtube videos guys post about shooting or guns their ego gets in the way and they don't really know what they are talking about anyway
Thanks, I appreciate it.
This was a good test and a nicely done video. Thanks for sharing. I don't live in grizzly country, but I do live in black bear and cougar territory. I've landed on the 10mm because I can get more hits on target faster, as you have demonstrated. Since the only hope here is a central nervous system hit, I think more holes in the target would improve my odds. No handgun would be ideal against a bear, particularly a grizzly, and therefore it is no guarantee that either a .44 mag or a 10mm would actually do the job. I think the 10mm demonstrated that it has sufficient penetration, coupled with the faster and better shot placement, that to me makes it a clear winner.
What a find!!!! Gotta hand one to the algorithm!! This video popped up in my recommended today.... and has made my whole week!!! Before this vid was even done, had liked, subscribed and clicked the notify. I have now be binge watching your vids for three hours!!! Was raised in Alaska and lived in South Central for over 30 years, but my mid life path moved me to CO for a few years and now MO. Watching your vids is not only very informative, but also gives me a little taste of home. You can bet I'll be watching so keep em coming!!!!!!
Now, on topic..... i tended to carry an S&W 5" .44mag most of the time but, would upgrade to my Remington 870 when I was fishing in heavy bear areas. Never had a chance to try a 10mm, but can see it has it's place as a bear/moose defense gun. Think the biggest thing is to remember to carry SOMETHING ANYTIME your the Alaskan woods!!!
Thanks a lot for the kind words. I am really glad you are enjoying the videos. Great point about always carrying something, things go sideways when you least expect it. Glad to have you as a sub and that I can remind you a little bit of home.
"Shoot the most powerful gun that you can shoot well..."
Best advice in ten words.
Thanks a lot!
I never comment on videos but felt like this one warrants one. This is the best comparison by far that i have ever seen! Using the same manufacturer for your test is as fair as it comes. Thanks for making the video and look forward to watching more from your channel
Thanks a lot! I appreciate the comment, glad to have you on board.
You said it all, The problem I have with the semi is A stove pipe, Action freeze up in cold Wet weather, walking into freezing weather, going into the Tent to warm up, then water gets more distributed thou out the workings, and then maybe freeze up the action, The revolver on the other hand , if U have a miss fire just keep pulling the trigger cylinder will keep turning and firing. Just one Retired Swat officer , 2 in the head one in the chest The riffle or Shot gun will be your first line of Defense.
I agree having a rifle or shotgun is the way to go, one of these for backup! Thanks for watching.
Thank you sir for not hurting any bears duing this comparison!
You are welcome!
Thanks for the great video!!! I’m impressed with your improvising with what you have to work with . And still made a very high quality video that portrays real life scenario. Both great guns and have a place . Thanks again and look forward to more content .
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to make it. Wow you are an amazing shooter with those higher recoil pistols!
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.
I run a 44mag super red hawk primary with an XDM 10 mm backup here in Alaska and thank you for bringing this up
Great video content. Thanks for taking the time to put out this informative comparison. I have both guns and, like you, would chose based on the particular need at the time.
Thanks for watching, stay safe out there.
Outstanding video and fun to watch, thanks for making these for us. Very happy you chose the same maker and bullet for the testing, it was very fair and showed great results. As I said before you are a skilled shooter, very nice. I have been carrying my S&W 29 4" Mountain gun for a long time and feel very well protected, if I can do my part. That 10MM looked very interesting and I really need to try one some day soon. Stay safe.
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it! This video was really fun to make, my favorite so far. Your 4 inch model 29 sounds pretty nice.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 I once had the Model 29 in the 8 3/8 " barrel for silhouette shooting back in the 80's. I'd still go with the 44 mag. for bear defense knowing that what I hit is either coming off or is transformed into burger !
I've always wanted to see this kind of test done comparing the 41 Mag instead of the 44 Mag to the 10 mm. The 41 Mag is reputed to have more penetration with less recoil than the 44 Mag.
Carried a 44 for decades ( 320 grain WFNHC @ 1300 FPS) UNTIL a SMALL moose charge encounter went bad. 5 through the sternam & heart & the 6th through both shoulders as it was coming down on the sled & it STILL didnt drop the moose. Found all 5 frontal shots just under the fur of the rear flank, slug went completly through both shoulders. Complete body penetration.) Switched up to the 454 Casull. You can have your 10s but i want as much knockdown in ONE shot as i can get. My son on the sled behind me said all he saw was one continious flame & heard a continous roar til the shoulder shot. Youd be amazed at how fast you can double action when your scared crapless! BTW, great shooting there Tex! The shot in the eye would have that bear eating dirt instantly. AND contrary to popular beleif. A bears skull isnt bulletproof. Its the angle that " supposidly" bounces bullets off. Which i think is pure B.S. with todays modern firearms. Just gotta hit em low. Eye level or below or under the ear. Ive been an Alaska bushman for 35 years. Been bear attacked 5 times. My carry RIFLE is the 45/70 lever for all the obvious reasons. Never needed more than one shot with it to instantly drop a bear. Cant say the same for the 375 H&H or the 300 win mag. Both with hot heavy bear loads.
Thanks for sharing, crazy story with the moose! I have only ever had to draw a handgun twice when things got serious and both were situations were with moose, thankfully I did not have to shoot. A good rifle is a better bet for sure.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 , Weird thing about that night, Ive seen lots of moose up here in our remote bush home & every mooses eyes reflect green in the sleds headlight. That night that mooses eyes went from green to RED just before it charged. NEVER saw that before! F&G said when a moose gets really pissed the blood capillaries in its eyes explode causing that effect. Freiked the hell out of me! Ive been chased, followed, treed, false charged many times & never saw THAT before. Never since. Dont EVER want to see it again! If you see it, SHOOT! That sucker ISNT bluffing & intends to kill you.
I've owned several 44mags over the years, but only one 10mm. Back in the 90s in the New Orleans area (when carjackings were en vogue) I carried my Anaconda in my truck all the time. I always looked at it this way...and we all know that with the 10mm pistol you will get off more rounds, faster, and be able to get back on target quicker vs the 44mag revolver, BUT with the 44mag you're only gonna need one shot, typically. Like you said, comes down to what your comfortable with. Good video. I could watch these all day long.
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it!
you may only need one shot but it's also the same for a 10 mm. then what if there is more than 1 person coming at you by time you get your hand back down from the kick and aim, they could have done shot you 3 times. especially if you missed the first shot. lol if revolvers were good for a gun fight, they would still use them in the military and police force.
And I agree
44 mags are not one shot one kill weapons thats all Hollywood bologna... ive seen people riddled with 44 mag and survived but one well placed 9mm ended others lives.. hand gun caliber makes little difference! just because it hurts your hand more and makes a louder pow dont mean its more deadly
@nonya biz
i can guarantee that a 44 mag using critical defense projectiles will drop just about anyone shot center mass with one shot. The caliber does mean something but the projectiles mean even more.
Best realistic comparison video so far on bear defense regarding 10mm pistol and .44 magnum revolver performance, keep making more realistic videos please, Thank you.
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Well for bears I would think you would want to use the most powerful round you could get. That would be Buffalo Bore. HST is significantly less powerful. So for the power tests the 1533ft lb 44mag would blow away the 728ft lb 10mm rather soundly. If they were within a couple hundred ft lbs of each other I could see having questions but with one being over twice the power, no contest.
Good video and comparisons! Both guns were accurate and will get the job done which answered the question I've always had. Thanks for keeping it simple!
Thanks for watching!
Great video...I truly appreciate you doing it in the heavy winter conditions
Thanks, good thing it wasn't too cold that day.
Great shooting and video! I like the artwork on the bear as well.😀
Thanks, I appreciate it.
My wife and I were teachers up there for many years, my ancestors are from Point Hope. I carried the Super Redhawk in .454 Casull and my wife carried the Glock 20 most of the time. We both practiced with each, and we both felt comfortable with either. If we were going out of the village, we also carried a Mossberg 590 with Federal 000 buck for the first 3 shots and Brenneke rifled slugs for the next 5. Good video, new sub.
Point Hope??? I wouldn't go there unless I was in a Sherman tank. Isn't that where all those cryptids live (and kill humans)? I have heard that is an extremely dangerous place for any human to be.
@@paulmcmanus9603 I've never been there, my grandmother left when she got married. However, my aunties and uncles have visited, and they never told me anything strange about it. We taught in Lower Yukon School District, and the basketball teams regularly went to Point Hope, we never heard anything untoward about it.
Thanks a lot! Practice makes perfect. Take care.
Great presentation, thank you! I really enjoyed the speed test and the penetration test. It helps narrow down which gun I'd like for bear defence. Based on what I saw, I'd go with the 10mm over the .44 magnum.
So, you would call every last Alaskan professional hunting guide that does brown and interior Grizzly hunts a liar that would tell you we all use rifles of 338 win mag as the smallest and none of use would be that stupid to use any kind of handguns!
As a Alaska bear hunting guide since 1989 and having 11 bears become a life or death attack on me and the clients after the bears had been shot many times in the vitals by rifles from 375 H&H magnums and a 458 Lott there is stupid ignorant morns who make these F ed up video's telling ignoramuses like you to go to Alaska with pop gun handguns that have 1/2 the power of a 30-30 win which is never considered to be any kind of Alaskan bear gun.
This video. Wow. From the amazing target to the great content. Definitely watching more from you.
Thanks a lot, glad you liked it!
You’re an excellent shot! I also like your enthusiasm-it’s apparent you enjoy shooting
Thanks! I sure do. Thanks for watching.
I'd even choose a hot loaded .41mag before a 10mm for penetration and superior stopping power. In real life heavily timbered areas when your walking for long periods of time a bear can and does sneak up on ya. And when he's charging he is in moving in very FAST. In a heavily treed environment you will not often get off more than one or two rounds
I don't have any experience with the 41. I would like to get one someday.
Haha, the cantankerous (great word) bear target. Nicely drawn! Your girlfriend has some great drawing skills and nice idea to reuse cardboard.
Thanks! I will let her know you were a fan.
Thanks from Slovakia. We have many bears in our country so it was interesting for me. Realy good video. Thanks. 🙂
Thanks for the video. Enjoyed the hell out of it can't wait to check your other stuff out.
Thanks, glad you liked it. That means a lot.
I have a redhawk 44mag with a 7 1/2" barrel. I have never shot a 10mm but have every bit of faith in my redhawk.
The Redhawk is a solid gun.
This was an excellent review. Good job, kind Sir! I am a tried and true 44 mag man. Which the report of the 44 mag when it is fired at tree can scare off anything from a mouse to a man to a bear. But sometimes the bear doesn’t run. So 4-5 shots at a charging bear is just a better chance of a vital hit. And you still have ten shots to go with a double stack. Ten 10mm is lighter and more compact, too.
Thanks for watching, I appreciate it. I can't pick a favorite between the two.
Exactly, when she barks, everyone hears her. Even the fire out the end gets any animals attention. The guy with the .454 above, power to him. I will pass. 44 is plenty for me. I got an D Eagle later, fast as you can pull the trigger with minimal recoil. My 12yr old daughter fired 240gr. It’s pretty heavy though
Good vid, charming personality.
Since the brain is the primary target on a charging bear either seems to have more than enough penetration, so as many have said the one you shoot best is the best selection. One thing to consider is that for both Glock and Springfield 10mm you can now get effective red/green dot sights that can aid accuracy, especially for those of us with aging eyes.
I have not used one much but that is the direction the trend is going, and the technology is getting better and better fast. I think most handguns will have dots before too long.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 Training will always give you an edge in any encounter, you will never rise to an occasion, you will almost always default to the level of training you have. You may get lucky and you may have bad luck even if trained. In any encounter with a dangerous animal, shots on target will always be the only thing that can change the outcome.
From a firearms training stand point red dots are a force multiplier that can't be discussed too much. I am an huge fan of 44mags, especially S&W 4" models but if I had the opportunity I would pack a 10mm glock with a quality red dot over it any day. Pack some 180gr-200gr bullets, even hollow points and make sure I can shoot it well. Hits on target in the head or face area, even in a lesser caliber, 9mm even would probably work just fine.
@@Spcwes1 the head is the worst place to shoot a kodiak or a grizzly there is case study that the rounds will just bounce off the skull. Unless you hit it directly in the mouth or eyes you dont have much of a chance
@@bignasty110 charging bears “center of mass” becomes the head/face and chest. Link your study of bullets just “bouncing off”. Edited to add: humans hit in the skull have had bullets "ricochet" across the skull as well. It's not a "bounce" though. That can happen with any skull in a large mammal.
From ballistic studies I have done over my adult life I can tell you this, if you hit a bear skull with a solid projectile at a 90 degree angle or close to it, there is zero evidence I can find that says bears have anything that will stop the bullet in their head, including fur, skin, meat or skull.
Physics dictate answers, not lore.
@@bignasty110 not necessarily true with barrier blind modern rounds like Underwood ammo Xtreme Defender or extreme Penetrator in solid copper with the "Philips head" design. Check out the FBI testing...
For some strange reason, my imagination?, I kept expecting a polar bear to crest over the ridge in the background and come charging at you. So glad it never happened!
You and me both!
Bear: Well, do you feel lucky, punk?
Clint with the 44: Yes :)
Good comparisons, thanks for braving the cold!
Glad you enjoyed it!
That was a lot of fun to watch...what a great way to end my day
Thanks Alan
I’ve been wondering why your viewer numbers haven’t exploded yet
Keep up the great work...both of you!!!
Thanks, that means a lot. Glad you enjoyed it. It was really fun to make.
Great comparison. I really like the way you did this.
Thanks Cliff!
Excellent video with good info. Nice, impressive rapid-fire accuracy!
Thanks! We did a follow up with a moving target that was a lot of fun also. ruclips.net/video/wW4UPeZkGyM/видео.html
What an awesome video. Love this guys vibe and presentation.
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.
Great video. I enjoyed this start to finish.
Thanks Buffalo, means a lot coming from you. I really enjoy your channel.
Great video man thank you very much it definitely gives everybody an idea of the power of a 44 mag in the 10 mm
Beautiful video, very well produced and really explanatory. Very good !!
Thanks!
Good job. The other risk factor is the likelihood of a jam - less of course with the wheel gun though likely fatal with either - the critter isn’t gonna’ wait for you to clear.
The simplicity, ease of cleaning, and reliability of revolvers is what sways me to them. I do understand the semi-autos have a ton of advantages, but for me, I gotta go with a revolver.
It is a personal choice to make, stay safe out there and happy shooting. Thanks for watching!
Both guns have their advantages and disadvantages....
The .44 Mag has more firepower, is more accurate, is simpler, less prone
to malfunction if it is in good shape and properly maintained.
The 10mm is a good round, but all I can see going for it is a higher capacity
magazine and the ability to reload if faster. That said, if you need more than
6 rounds to fend off a bear, you are probably in deep trouble.
My glock 40 10mm has never once malfunctioned and can be taken apart in about 2 seconds and is very easy to clean. It's absolutely personal preference but the speed at which I can shoot rounds and stay on target with the 10mm definitely makes it my choice for grizzly country. In black bear country I carry a glock 19x with 2 19 round mags of Buffalo Bore +p hard casts which have also dropped grizzlies. Speed + shot placement are key.
@@manwithnoname734 100% agree with you, all personal preference. The 10mm is far more practical (outside of the ammo shortage crap), but it's about experience with the tool.
@@hansanderson6607 Totally agree! If your life depends on that one round; S&W 44 magnum - accept no substitute!
I will take my drop forged S&W 6" model 29-5 over any investment cast Ruger though. More precision and better steel. Semper fi
I love your speech fluency and voice. Very engaging and fun to watch. Subed.
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I liked the video. Well done and informative. And you kept it under 15 minutes which is impressive for all that you covered. Deserving of a "like" and "subscribe". Thank you young man.
Always amazed at the power of the 44 but the 10 mil has some great penetration
... that's what she said
@@mikerogs1 Tea however she also said the 10 mm is to small and not effective she said in frustration!
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But makes up for it by bring the motion of the ocean instead of the size of the wave 😊
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Size doesn't matter it's how accurate you are to the points of stopping a mack truck coming around the corner.
I have both. Love both. Depends nowadays what u can get hold of for ammo honestly. Capacity sometimes wins. Dont matter how much power is available if u cant use it. We gotta Learn how to shoot under pressure.
Great points on the ammo availability and shooting under pressure.
Great job, subbed. Loved the info and the work you both put in here.
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Great video. You are a good shot with both! Seems to me that anyone who wants less recoil goes with the 10mm. People who don't mind more recoil and value the power, go with 44mag. Good to know that both are good choices. For me, it's the 44. You averaged 3 shots with the 44 and five to six with the 10mm. The power difference of the 44 makes those three equal or better than the five with the 10mm, IMO. Something I hadn't considered is using the FMG. With a human attacker you usually want a hollow point to put all the energy into the human enemy and avoid collateral damage behind. With a bear, with those armored-like bone structures, the FMG is better. I'll switch over! Disclosure: I own the Redhawk 44mag.
I love your presentation. Your a talented pithy guy. Of coarse i knew from 60 years of firearms experience the .44 was king of penetration in that particular test but recoil is a factor in repeatable shot placement.
If i were Grizzly hunting in Alaska i would chose a .450, .460 or 454 Casul. For Brown and Black Bears maybe the .44mag.
Thanks for watching and for the input!
Living and working in Alaska since 1978 from the interior to the west coast. My theory is, worst case I am going to get one shot off, so it had best be the hardest hitting thing I can come up with. That's something a semi auto wont ever do, add in to that extreme cold weather performance of lubricants (Garand Thumb just did a great review on that), I'll stick to a wheel gun every time. My choice is S&W 500 with 440gr hard cast flat nose. Hurts like hell to shoot it, but it hurts less than a bear.
Great video though, keep up the good work.
Thanks a lot! Good on you for practicing enough to be good with the 500. I think most people who own them don't shoot them enough to even be useful.
Jim, I have the 500, and you make some really good points. Alaska is not friendly to semi-auto's. I go back and forth on this issue. He's right though, I don't practice enough with that 500. I doubt I could get even 2 shots off in 3 seconds.
Absolutely perfect choice with the 500/440. As long as you can get that first shot or two off quickly, you’re well protected.
@@Alaska_MD Ditto! I know Scott (Kentucky Ballistics did) got 5 shots from a 500 in .99 sec but NO WAY will I try that with my 500!
Think I'd rather go for two 10mm hits than a 44 mag miss. It's obvious he is faster and more accurate with the 10mm. I'll sacrifice power for precision. This is coming from a guy who isn't on the "let's all go back to 9mm" bus. Shoot the biggest hunk of lead you can handle accurately. If you can shoot two 44 magnum bear rounds in one second accurately then U-dah-man.
Good comparison testing. Nice shooting! You can cover my 6-o'clock any day. Kudos to the artist.
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Apparently, penetration in pine boards is considered a good measure of something, because they've been listed in books since before WWII.
Although I have seen black bears in the woods (this is in Virginia), I'm getting a little too old to be tramping around the hills anymore. The most powerful handguns I have are .38 Super and I have two. Colt used to advertise that a .38 Super could kill anything in the Americas. Maybe it could. But I don't think I could actually get in two or three hits on a moving target like a bear, at least not on the head. Ever see a bear's skull? It's a little smaller than a football and just about the same shape. But some people that have seen many more bears than I have make do with a .357.
I have heard about that too with the pine boards. .38 super is better than nothing, I wouldn't feel too bad with one if only black bears are around. Maybe some spray to go with it wouldn't be a bad idea either.
I appreciate your conclusion being to do what is best for the person using the gun. Both guns are stronger than my fist. Well done sir. From your newest subscriber, thank you.
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When I'm in bear country . Black or brown ; I always carried a 5.5" barrel Ruger Redhawk and a 16" Winchester 94 AE trapper model . Both in 44 mag . I never had to shoot a brown bear but had to drop a large black bear with my revolver . One round to the head pilled him up for the count . I was lucky that day cause my rifle was 50 yards away on my saddle with my horse ! I feel confident that a similar shot placement on a griz would have the same results as well. What I don't understand is why do people who tell you a 44 mag revolver is good bear medicine but when you talk about a 44 mag rifle ; they tell you it isn't enough gun and to go to a 45-70 rifle instead or some other powerful round !? A 44 mag Ruger semi-autos carbine would also make a great gun to have in a pinch as far that goes .
Good shooting! I think your 94 trapper sounds like a sweet gun to have around. It may not be the most powerful rifle in the world but 44 mag is no slouch out of a 16 inch barrel.
It has to do with the size of the platform you are using. The .44 was designed as a handgun round and remains fairly potent as a handgun round. So in terms if handguns, it is a valid choice. Handguns are carried for convenience, and most don't expect them to have the power of a long gun. The .44 out if a lever gun is decent medicine for deer, hogs, and black bear, but fir grizzly, most people are going to suggest that if you are carrying a long gun, you carry something bigger, like a .45-70.
This is the same argument many of us have against pistol caliber carbines in general. They might be adequate for most tasks, but personally, if I am carrying a long gun, I don't want adequate. If I have a carbine or a rifle, I want to lay down more hate than can be accomplished with pretty much any handgun round.
My long gun for grizzly country is a CRF Ruger in .375 Ruger. It weighs a little more than the carbine you carry, for sure, but it is vastly more powerful by orders of magnitude. So the trade off is worth it.
Exactly. I have a S&W 629 .44 Mag with the 8 1/2" barrel, and a Winchester
16" 94AE rifle.. Both are light, accurate (within 50 yards), have good triggers,
don't have too much recoil, are easy to maintain, and reliable.
Better ballistics/energy out of the rifle also.
44 magnum rifles are extremely powerful.
I've watched those guys in Africa stop big dangerous game charges but they had to use a brain shot every time and it was within about ten feet. They tend to use the double rifle in a large caliber because of two quick shots and large diameter bullet as to be more likely to hit the brain. I don't think bear charges are any different.
A big heavy bullet with large diameter and two shots trying to hit the brain is about all the time you're probably going to have. And you will be up close and personal .
Nicely done video with great information for those looking to compare the ammo and type of platform for bear country.
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Excellent video, and very impressive shooting. Thanks for the video.
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I think that this is a great video, I really appreciate the real world aspect of it. Thank you so much for the work!
Thanks for watching!
Very informative and helpful! Can't argue with those results!
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Great review , I like how you used what you had access.
Thanks Jason!
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 have. Great day!
Great video.
I carry a 44. But everyone else i know uses a 10mm now because of the ability to have lights and lasers.
Damn good video content and outstanding shooting! I was stationed in Alaska for awhile, and carried a 10mm!
Thanks!
That was a great test sir! Thank you!🙏🇺🇸👍
Capability is an important factor, too. I’m not a big dude, at all. Nobody can choose their Mom and Dad. I handle 357M and 10MM very well, but 44 and above is beyond my capability to shoot well. I choose accordingly.
I agree. I think that is often understated in conversation about this topic. Thanks for watching!
I absolutely love your bear 🐻, Nice shooting and thanks for sharing! much appreciated! also, I think you found a quick way to split wood for the fire! :)
haha, thanks for watching!
Great video. I like that you dont talk to much you get to it.
Thanks!
That was a really good video, and I am glad that you took the time to show the difference in penetration, and shooting speed between the two calibers.
I live in Alaska, and venture into the outdoors constantly (for work, and recreation). The likely hood at seeing bears is more common than in most states, as well as coming across/startling one at close distances. That being said, "three shots" in "three seconds" is not great, but it also is not horrible in any way. As you said, it all depends on the conditions.
As far as penetration for heavy skinned animals, it is a valued thing, but without internal damage to the necessary/vital organs, you could empty an entire magazine and still be in danger.
Although the instruction that you showed between the two calibers is extremely valued, and helpful, alot of encounters are made either in thick brush, or unexpectedly.
Bears can be, and are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS when startled, wounded, or have cubs. They are not always the "evil beasts" that people make them out to be. For anyone that has never seen an enraged bear attack, the best comparison would be to imagine a 500-1,200 lb. large bodied animal, that is hyped with adrenaline with sharp claws that tear, as well as teeth made to rip flesh.
That type of animal, as well as someone on an extremely hard drug, will not be able to acknowledge that they are even injured...all of this leading to the reasons of "deep tissue penetration", as well as expansion/internal tissue damage.
Very good video! I'm old school with the .44 Mag (4" barrel) but would be putting a Henry Big Boy .44 mag or .45-70 govt in my scabbard as a primary. I carry a Glock 29 (10mm Short Frame) concealed as my "stop the big human" gun during the winter (penetrates heavy clothing of attackers) and I carry a Kimber .45 Auto (1911) Ultra carry during the summer (tucked into my Speedo...lol) months. Those big ol bears out West (I lived in Washington State for 12 years, hunted in E. Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming) are nothing to take lightly. 300 Grain HSM Bear rounds are the ticket in .44 Mag and they come in handy dealing with drive by shooter thugs in SUVs or Sedans.
Thanks! Does your Henry Big Boy Cycle the 300 grain HSM loads well?
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 Yes it does - I load my own 300 grain as well - using a Dillon 550B
Great Job...keep up the good work! Well put together video!
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Interesting test with two outstanding firearms. Enjoyed watching
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Good info, no nonsense, and to the point. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video you did a great job shooting that 44 rapidly. If I can make a suggestion I have many of those 44s and I like the pachmayr finger groove grips on mine it gives me much more control of the Ruger Red hawk 44s. Again great video and your girlfriend did a great job on that bear cut out.
Thanks a lot, I like to thinner wood grips, I have pretty small hands. I will let her know you liked the bear.
I've always carried a .44 magnum in Bear country & that is just not going to change. I carry a Special Edition Blued " Smith & Wesson Moutain Special" with a 4" barrel & it has the old school longer thin barrel like the originals. I will always prefer the reliability of the
.44 magnum revolver over any 10 mm semi-automatic.
That sounds like a really nice revolver.
The reliability of the revolver is underappreciated. If that gun jams, it's all over. You might only get one shot anyway, with the speed of an attacking Brown bear.
@@DragonGP one problem here, if the revolver jams its all over, with semi you just rack tap bang ...
Aside from being the most cheerful guy on earth, its incredible to see someone online talking about guns who is truly unbias
More than earned yourself a subscriber
Well done my man , I watched the whole video thanks for sharing.
Thank you, Glad you enjoyed it!
as someone that used to hunt rabbits using a 22 rifle short grain bullets, i fired a high powered rifle one time and because i was not trained or prepared for
the kick back it hurt my shoulder so the one thing i have learnt is that if you are going to use a gun, make sure you are trained and practice with it so can
use it to get the most performance from it, hand guns to me would be the same from the videos i have watched, power dont mean a thing if you cant
hit the target.
Very good video! Not knocking your results or anything, very well done! And as with all ammo comparisons, we can get just as many opinions. Mine, GET TO KNOW YOUR GUN! Looking at ballistic charts, with a third more energy with the 44, myself, I’d rather want the one well placed shot with the hitting power of the 44, then not enough knock down power from the 10mm when in bear country. Just for information also, from what I understand most bear guides want a minimum of at least the 44 mag for a handgun backup.
Excellent demo thank you
You deserve it. I subscribed.👍 it’s just what I was looking for
Bears dont hear a shot timer either :) thanks for the vid
Haha, good point! Thanks for watching.
No b s. Good video..no jumping around and fake excitement..keep it up
Thanks, will do!
I don't know why you don't have a bigger following. But, I liked the video enough that I subscribed after just this one. Good luck and I'll be watching.
Thanks, I appreciate the kind words.
I’m going to purchase one of those if not both caliber’s,thank you for a great video
Thanks a lot, it's hard to pick a favorite.
Great video. Revolvers are always a lot harder for the average shooter to handle and shoot with accuracy. Semi Autos however can fail to fire for any number of reasons. So, when you're ready to make your purchase ask yourself 100% reliability with a beefer round or better accuracy with a lighter round and a slim possibility the firearm could jam.
Thanks a lot! It's a tough choice.
there is no such thing as "100% reliability" ... yes revolvers are simpler mechanisms but they are mechanisms nonetheless and can also fail. the modern semiautos are basically just as reliable you are much more likely to have AMMO induced malfunction rather than mechanical malfunction on any modern firearm from respectable manufacturer.
and let me tell you id rather have a hangfire in semiauto than in revolver