Head-to-Head: 45 ACP vs 10mm For Self Defense
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10mm and .45 ACP are the heavy hitters of the self-defense handgun world. They are frequently pitted against one another for various reasons, but which is better? In this video, we cover considerations for these cartridges and firearms. If you had to make a decisions to carry or use just one, which would you choose - and why? Find out what you may need to know in this video!
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Tools and Targets has done enough 10mm testing to prove that most factory loads are basically .40 S&W power loads. You need to get into Buffalo Bore or Underwood to get full power 10mm without reloading.
Which is a shame. I wish they tended to make them hotter than that but it is what it is.
I've got a huge respect for Buffalo Bore ammo and carry it in both 38 & 357 when I carry a revolver. That 180 gr 357 mag load of theirs is brutal from my 3" J-frame... Accurate as all get out though.
It's not just 10mm that does this, either. Standard pressure 9mm factory ammo has 40-50% less energy than which it's capable. Most hollow points won't hold up to the added velocity, though.... which I why I load my 9mm defensive rounds with 125gr V-Crowns meant for 357 Sig. I'm able to push them over 1400fps easily from a 5" barrel, with about 575ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle.
Anyway, just an example of how lawyered down factory ammo is..
Sig is loaded pretty good as well I might add. Double tap as well.
I like double tap , they have some full power 10mm aswell
45 for the hood and 10 mm for the woods is a hellva statement
.45 pcc with a can for home defense, subsonic or supersonic light loads, .40 pistol for the hoods with Underwood 135 gr nosler or 155 gr xtp, .44 magnum revolver and lever gun for the woods
Thanks for not having Ads!!!
Amen to that. No ads
Guy, I like your style. Smooth, measured delivery and just the facts and pros and cons. Nothing to sell me and no emotional opinions. I enjoy your content.
Exactly what I was going to say. So smooth, everything important without the junk. Refreshing actually!
Yep, thanks for not saying, "OK" after each sentence....
My first experience with a 1911 was also about 40 years ago when on the Marine Corps rifle and Pistol team. Semper Fi brother
Semper Fi!
Semper Fi...
@@41-Rem-Magnum uh oh, the Marines have landed! ;)
"We have fought in every clime and place where we could take a gun."
ME too! Only 39 yeares ago. Semper Fi, Brother!!!
Fort Benning introduced me to the 45acp many years ago. I have been a fan ever since. Buffalo Bore 255 grain hardcast will penetrate 24 inches, more than enough for my neck of the woods. Federal's 230 grain HST will only get half that penetration but expand to .80 inch, premiere of bad guy stopper performance.
Good man. I had been unaware of those statistics. Thank you.
Underwood did load a 255gr Hardcast coated. I still have some from a few years back for woods carry. Some of the most accurate rounds through my setups.
I just bought those Underwood 255+p flat nose hardcast.
Theyre a beast.
I run 255 underwood 45super in my usp 45 it's outstanding
Bear in mind that 45 ACP has bigger case volume than 10mm !!! That being said, if you reload and your handgun can withstand such a higher pressure, your .45 becomes much stronger than any 10mm with a small case volume!!!!
SpecOps still uses the 45ACP once in a while, depending on the mission requirements
The modern day has created quite the divide amongst those with "handgun experience."
I shot my concealed carry class with a 9mm. Solid modern choice, ammo dependent.
Next to me was a farm hand. The "city folk" made it out to his area, he needed papered for his lifestyle. No big deal.
He ran a TT. In 7.62X25.
We did the requirements for the permit. Then we were invited to stay as long as we cared and run drills of escalating difficultly. Most stay past last light.
The standard gets hectic real fast.
Farm hand shot the lights out. Stacking rounds, any situation, any distance. He sounded like a howitzer. I didn't think much of it.
When we shook hands before departing. I realized he had no trigger finger.
He outshot everyone, including the instructors. Holding on with two fingers and running "mildy warm" surplus subgun ammo. Pressing the trigger with his middle finger.
I will spend a lifetime studying this type of subject material. Ballistics are fun.
I will never forget that man. Simple and effective beyond reason.
I know a trauma surgeon at Jamaica NY hospital who specializes in gun shot wounds. He said when he opens people and sees the most internal damage, he usually is removing a 45 acp from that cavity and putting it in an evidence bag.
Things that never happened for $500, Alex.
That's good to know, .45 puts people in the hospital. I'd be more interested in what caliber the forensic pathologist pulls out of people.
Just look at the caliber. It is a slug. Medical experts report that all things being equal, the 45 acp results in more displacement and thus internal damage than any other round. Makes perfect sense. Just putting some facts out there. I edc a Glock 40 in a IWB Vedder. Not saying the 10mm is a bad round. It’s s monster. In fact, it’s better than a 45 if you run into a big 4 legged animal. Better penetration at 1300 fps.
@@charlesk1541 You hit the nail on the head, which is why stories like this are utter gun folklore.
@@NoName-ge6wc Yes, .45 ACP creates larger wound channels than .40 S&W, which creates larger wound channels than 9mm. However, the differences are minuscule!
There are a lot of other factors at play as well. For example, is FMJ or JHP ammunition being used? Criminals notoriously use FMJ ammunition, which passes through the body and is rarely recovered.
Are any bones hit? A friend of mine is an ER nurse and firearms instructor. He has seen a JHP round hitting the rib cage and then going around it, not hitting any organ whatsoever.
As you said, 10mm is better for defense against 4-legged predators. That's its main application area.
I started on 357 revolver 40 years ago. Have very long experience with 45 and 10mm for work. I suggest if you want a substitute for 10mm as urban curry try the 357 sig.
40 s&w works in a 10mm for the city. The extractor catches the extractor groove on the round.
357sig is not only a substitute for the 10mm in urban carry but an improvement....lighter carry weight and can tailor your loads for minimum penetration ie 90 ..100..115 grain ultra high velocities OR deep maximum penetration rivaling or surpassing 10mm with 125 grain soilds...or 135 or 147 or even 180 grain 🏆
@@kevinrichardson8859I'm in the war zone just north of Laredo, I have all calibers, only carry 357 mag and 357 sig on the ranch, not quite a match against the cartels Aks, but it does more damage to the groin area than the other rounds mentioned.
@joseywales8257 I'd have to agree with you the 357s both mag and sig are very formidable carry rounds in a sidearm!!! Probably the best ballistically you can reasonably carry
@@kevinrichardson8859 For each 357 pistol, I carry one 357 lever action with it. Things are way worse here than you can imagine
Both are my favorite calibers.
10+ 357SIG
A very good comparison, Sir. Lots of signal, very little noise. Thank you for this demo!
My SIG P220 in 45 ACP with Liberty Civil Defense for my EDC. At deer camp my Ruger revolvers, either in 44 magnum or 454 Casull.
“The 10mm is already a +P” 😂😅
Some are, some factory loads are weak.
Very true. Gotta watch what you buy. Underwood makes good stuff.
Pretty much
Since it was designed in modern times it has a higher pressure rating then many of its contemporaries
Underwood says yes.
If you load your own or get Lehigh or the high powered stuff. Off the shelf is a stovepipe fest. 40 in the 10mm works with the 20lb spring. Blazer 10mm works and uses small pistol primers
That´s the best head to head comparison I think I ve seen so far and so well moderated ! Many thanks
Kimber is an incredible tool for working malfunction drills! 😂
I own a Kimber to impress friends when they come over, but use a RIA when I want a jam free session at the range. 😅
@@paulegeroldRIA is fantastic for price. My 10mm has worked awesome so far
No point in using an expensive piece for a shooting. Under stress you won't know the difference, and afterwards the popo take your weapon as evidence and you'll likely never see it again, regardless of the case disposition.Better they got my old Ruger than my expensive (fill in the blank) show piece.
I had a buddy who had one. It was a really nice gun to shoot targets with, but a total jammomatic.
Love the .45 ACP & the ,45 LC!
I carried both the 45 and the 10during my LE career. The last 10 years was a Colt Delta Elite w a Black Hills 155 XTP loading at about 1,300 fps. I always perceived the 10 to have a shorter and flatter recoil impulse than the 45 with 230 grain loadings. The 155 XTP expanded quickly. I had little concern about shooting through an aggressor with that bullet. I still own guns in both cartridges.
I learn so much from these videos. Thank you so very much for producing them!
For me and my family the 45 , is popular as you can load the heaviest bullets, have a sub sonic round, that does not hurt your ears, if such a need arise and no ear plugs, but can still do the job needed. Great Show.
I guess it’s just hard for a person in modern times to absolutely none biased. I say that because for the 45 auto “factory ballistics” chart, you used numbers from a 185 grain standard pressure cartridge. For instance, a 185 grain +P Remington Golden Saber runs 1140 FPS which is 540+ pounds of energy. 10mm is loaded to full power is a very powerful round but 45 auto loaded to full power +P pressures can and do get into the 500 + pounds of energy. 10mm is certainly ultimately more powerful however it focuses that energy on smaller point of impact than the 45. This is very clearly shown when using the Taylor KO calculator.
Ive pushed 45acp 208 grains to 1100 fps which is comparable. Pure bismuth in a 230 grain mould. Haven’t tried the pure zinc in handgun yet but was going for the 10mm comparison
10mm is basically a .40 cal magnum. It's the 20% stronger sibling to the .38/.357.
You should compare the .357 magnum vs. 10mm
10mm can easily reach 1000 ft lbs of ballistic energy. You won't see it from factory loads, though. They have to cater to the least common denominator in 10mm pistols.
It's tough to actually train for that type of energy. Tough on you, tough on your gun, tough on everything, including your backstop.
Most 10mm ammo is around 523 or lower muzzle energy and around velocity 1156. So it’s about a 40 sw power or plus p. As far as I know about 5 companies make the good stuff that moves faster and hitting around 700 energy, velocity 1200 or better. Which the 357 mag is doing same. Now there one round on the market that put up a 1000 energy for the 10mm. But most the ammunition for the both are about the same. So why is 10mm better it has more magazine capacity.
@@princehogan3564 Yeah, mag capacity.
You rarely see a .357 in a clip, and you rarely see a 10mm, in a revolver.
They're out there.
You can get a Magnum Research Desert Eagle Mark XIX, that's .357 with nine round capacity, or a Smith and Wesson MODEL 610, which is a six round 10mm revolver.
Thanks for the comment!
@@jameskirk3 Tough is right. :)
Lesser 10mm is your .40 cal. This being said, the FBI dropped the .40 cal, for the even less energized 9mm.
Humans need to get their strong wrists back!! :)
Thanks for the comment!
It's always more about 'placement' than caliber, but I prefer the .45 ACP simply because of it's long history. I'm also a handloader and it seems like there's more load data for the .45 ACP.
*_BTW?_*_ I also didn't like the grip angle on the G21, but I built a P80 'large' lower. It's MUCH more like the 1911 angle._
45 for the hood 10mm for the woods.
10mm hot loads for the hood too!!!😊
Yeah i carry my g29 mostly these days
LOL
People are getting fatter every day 10mm isn't just for bears anymore
I like that!! 😂
Sounds like the Marine Corps gave you the same 1911 they issued me! I was a PFC but because I was a mortar gunner the .45 was my T/O weapon. Mine rattled like a castanet when I shook it.
Oh those things were loose! In the 1980's I was told that The Corps hadn't bought any 1911's since WWII.... Don't know if that's true, but I believe it!
I hand loaded about 1,200 rounds of 10mm auto to take to Gunsite API 350. The 155 gr. truncated cone fmj had a muzzle velocity of 1,360 fps out of my Colt Delta Elite. Even though the 155 gr. bullet is relatively light for a 10mm, it hit hard on pepper poppers and other steel targets. One Pepper popper was set backwards as the last target of a donga exercise (so that it would not fall and have to reset), but i hit it at about 30 yards and was taking aim to shoot again to knock it down when the instructor said it wouldn't fall. I shot just as he said that, and the pepper popper fell.
I have been a fan of the 10mm auto since the 1980s.
The Springfield Armory XD 14 shot .45 ACP Pistol is a winner too.
No springfield for me. The owner tried backdoor guncontrol thru the funiture manufactures assco
" I think"? hopefully you can still find the article in the arcives on I.S.R.A. website I hope.
10mm factory ammo is loaded more on the line of 40cal...good for urban areas and loadings from
U W., Buffalo BORE, etc.
Carry whatever you shoot the best. 👍🏻
Powder options open up when you go to a 6" barrel. Bluedot is hard to beat.
When it can be found. W231, AA#5, and unique are also very good in the ol 45acp.
20,000 + .45 ACP a year. I just switched to 9MM. More rounds for less weight. The compact size and weight are easier to carry regularly. The gun you have with you is always the best gun.
Factory for defense, handload for practice. Accurate no 9 I for great magnum handloads. No 5 for my 45acp. We learn from each other.
Thanks for the video.
I have been shooting 357 magnum revolvers since the late 1960s.
I have been shooting 9mm and 45acp pistols since the early 1990s.
I have never owned or used a 10mm or a 40S&W. However, if I were to lose my 357, 9mm, and 45acp, I would consider replacing them with a 10mm.
Similar to you, up until I was 19 years old, I had only shot a revolver chambered in .22lr. Then I joined the US Coast Guard, and they put a 1911 .45 acp in my hands and I was hooked.😁👍 I carried that pistol for 8 years, then got out and shot one competitively for another 10 years.
Today I no longer own a .45 acp, I have traded my 1911 45acp for a Springfield XDmE 3.8" OSP Compact 10 mm, awesome shooting pistol.👍 I bought it originally as a bear defense pistol for an ill fated Elk hunting trip, but I do carry it in the winter.👊
A lot of people say the 10mm is to much recoil, but to me, I would rather shoot my 10mm than my Hellcat any day, that Hellcat is a snappy little kitten.
Excellent comparison video👍
Because of bears, I carry a Glock 29 (compact version of Glock 20) while trout fishing in the mountains. I carry extra G20 magazines for their higher capacity. I use Double Tap 200g Hardcast Solid bear ammo.
Underwood solid copper extreme penetrators are good also.
Thank you. Great content and delivery. I subscribed.
Kinetic energy is proportional to mass but it's also proportional to the square of velocity. Exponents matter!
Try the Sig XTEN or XTEN Comp. The grip angle and ergos are more in line with the 1911 than Glock is. Also, the XTEN line mitigates recoil best of any 10mm pistols I own, and I have a few as I absolutely love the 10mm.
The comp still has a pretty heavy jolt with full power.
I just stumbled upon you and your video by happenstance. I'm glad i did become you, in this view, are putting out some good information.
45 has more Momentum but less KE.
Since momentum is calculated by mass times velocity, you are incorrect. A ten millimeter will have more momentum.
I really enjoy content from this gentleman, thanks!!!
I carry the G21g4 , but really enjoy the G20g4 as well. Thanks for sharing 🇺🇸
Guy, outstanding job on this video. Gavin made a great decision adding you to the channel. Gavin is who got me excited about reloading.
Thanks! Gavin and I get along well. I stay in my lane, he's covering the "latest and greatest" in cartridges, firearms and handloading.
.45 ACP reloads 500 rds $105 , 10mm long slide Kimber still working on it Kimber excellent, my .45 is a gold cup also excellent gun.
Excellent video!
Excellent content and information!
I was looking at the S&W 40 rather than the 10 MM and the 45 ACP! I liked the idea of a more modern caliber like the 10 MM. But the 40 S&W has better handling in my opinion. My choice in pistols was the Sig P229, along with the Hornady XTP 155 so far. Great program also Guy
We just may have something coming up on the 40... :)
I shoot 40 in the 10mm to save dough. 4.6 grains of powder vs 6.8 grains. Nice to be able to shoot 2 calibers in one gun without even changing the spring back to the 17lb
I bought a 40S&W barrel for my 10mm 1911. Being a reloader, it is super easy to blur the line between the cartridges by loading up or down powder charges or choice of projectiles. The same spring works well in both configurations.
@@paulegeroldgreat idea. Been thinking of doing the same one i reload 40
A wonderful job on this video! No hype, just good solid facts and well based opinions. Thank you.
If you're looking for a woods gun, be sure to check out the G40 in 10mm, and the G41 in 45. Both are awesome and add a little extra barrel.
Which in my opinion tames the 10mm a little.
A 1911 with hollow points for the hood and a 625 loaded with good cast bullets for the eastern woods.
why wouldn't the 1911 be ok in the woods?
@@justinriley8651 It’d be ok, but they won’t feed the more effective bullet shapes you can use in a revolver.
@@876mpr well I'm sure that can be fixed.
@@justinriley8651 They’ll usually feed SWC’s, but they have to be deep-seated flush with the top of the front driving band. You have to reduce charges and get less velocity.
@876mpr Budd my 1911s plural multiple 1911s all shoot hollowpoints real well no problems I don't know what kinda gun you have but something may not be right! I shoot full power loads and there isn't enough room to be seating bullets deeper! you need some help because your confused.
I got my M&P 2.0 4.625 inch 10mm quad ported by Mag-Na-Port and added a Carver Custom HEAVY tungsten guide rod to mitigate recoil. I carry as a security guard at night.
What load do you carry it with?
I've carried both .45 ACP and 10mm Auto. I much prefer the 10mm Auto, it's a far more versitile cartridge, flatter shooting, more accurate... etc.
For personal self-defense in a high-population setting, and for home-defense, I load up with 10mm Auto high velocity high energy light for caliber JHP rounds (eg, Underwood Ammo's 10mm Auto 155 Gr Hornady XTP JHP, or 165 Gr Speer Gold Dot Bonded JHP) with well over 700 FtLbs ME. These two loads provide huge energy dumps and create massive but shallow wound channels in ballistics gel when shot from up to 10 yards away. Penetration is consistant at 12"~14", which is well within the FBI's test protocol of 12"~18".
If I'm out in the wilderness, biking / hiking / camping, I'll load up with Underwood Ammo's 10mm Auto 200 Gr or 220 Gr flat-nosed hardcast bear-defense / hunting rounds, these provide about 700 FtLbs ME, and well over 60" of penetration in ballistics gel.
Great Review!
Awesome video with great info. 👍 I have a Springfield XDmE in 10mm and I love the power of this cartridge. I've reloaded 45 years ago, and I'm looking at getting back into it because factory 10mm is loaded like a 40S&W, and they charge you more. 🤷♂️
Been a 45 fan since I was 12. Have used it as LEO. As for 10mm well, I have 2 in 1911 platform and 2 striker fired and not letting them go! Like handgun calibers that begin with 4. Looking forward to 40 S&W video so please continue with your great work!
RE 10mm handloads: Alliant Power Pistol will give you top velocities across all bullet weights (135-200). Hodgon Longshot gets an honorable mention.
Gotta throw Accurate 9 in there too
@@DoubleAlphaKiller bummer.
I run a 200 grain coated bullet with a maximum load of No. 9 and mine loves it
Another advantage of the .40 is it uses small pistol primers, which are usually easier to find.
You really should try the 10mm in a 1911. The only plastic 10mm I own is from Springfield Armory, I had to put grip tape to be able to shoot it without having to adjust my grip.
Awesome video!
Great content
This is a great review , probably the best comparison between the two cartridges I've seen up to now . Clear & concise , I can tell you're prior Law Enforcement . Great job ! P.S. My dad was also in L.E. for 30yrs , and he too was a big advocate of the .45acp .
Excellent video thank you 😊
Thanks, Guy 👍
This channel is pure excellence. I seem a little late, but better than never.
Great video
NGL I read the title and rolled my eyes assuming it was yet another typical video covering the same click bait topic forever… but for real you are too good and HONEST 4:24
I think you covered this comp perfectly....living in MT I carry my Glock 20 in the woods/on the rivers, but I shoot my Springfield XDS 45 better than any other pistol I've owned....so I often carry that in town. Both great pistols and rounds available! Thanks
Thanks Guy!
Like my 45 acp pistols, have 2 in the 1911a1s and a s&w 4 " revolver and have been shooting 45 acp since I was 9 years old and 38 special at 5 and 357 magnum revolver at 6 , and still proficient with them, and have used 38 special and 45 acp in the military since 1978 and 40 and 357 magnum when I was in law enforcement in the 80s and various other caliber options and pistols today, and that's a 357 sig. And 10 mm and 40 and 45 acp and 327 magnum revolver, and 9mm s and lower for back up options 🤔💥💥
Some of my favorite pistols are Taurus and Glock and smith & Wesson and cz pistols and Colt
AlaskanBallistics summed it up extremely well - "45 for the hood, 10 for the woods." Gonna remember that one.
I prefer the 10, but I always try to point out that a lot of ammo being sold is "10 lite" - or 40 S&W ballistics. Understandable because the FBI determined "best performance" parameters. However, my view is that anyone who opts for the 10 is looking for max performance - which is 200 to 220 grains at 1200 to 1250 fps. So reading the box numbers is important for me.
Not saying a single thing bad about the 45. Anything that has a 120 year proven track record has earned its place.
Really good video thanks!
We love doing these videos, thank you for watching!
Most factory 10mm is downloaded and doesn't really achieve the round's true potential. Handloading can unlock it.
Wow this is like a college course. Great content/format!!
Thanks!
Great content ❤❤❤
Blast and recoil really do effect usability. This was rather eye opening when my department switched from the lesser 10mm (40 S&W) and transitioned to the 45 about 12 years ago. Our qualification scores improved department wide.
Great video GuyM.
Thanks!
What handguns did your department issue and qual on for the .45?
@@Jason32Bourne we went from a G-22 to the G-21
Thanks.@@nilescoyote4829
@@Jason32Bourne - cool moniker. I enjoyed those Jason Bourne stories. My dept issued everyone a stainless steel Colt Gov't model when I started my law enforcement career. I used the issued Colt, then a lightly modified Springfield, and then in 1997 I bought the first Yonkers NY built Kimber 1911 that I'd ever seen. Carried that through the rest of my career. It now has over 85,000 rounds through it with very few repairs and only normal maintenance. Bought another one to replace it a few years ago. The new one, and the old one both work great and shoot well.
Lovimg the video! Just wanted to bring to your attention that your audio is VERY quiet for some reason
But thank you for sharing your insight!
Have utilized the 10mm starting with a S&W 1006 at the start of 1990. Handloading for it ever since. Back in the day Blue Dot was my go-to accurate powder. Also have documented many commercial cartridges that I pulled down as an in-depth study of what was found. Over the years have communicated with other 10mm enthusiast on several forums and groups.
I will say that 10mm from Mild to Wild brings some very awesome ballistics to the handgun (semi auto and other types).
Some of my latest handloads have been using Alliant BE-86 for amazing performance out of the 10mm and even the 45ACP.
I like my 10mm m&p 2.0
The military modified the original 45 Colt load to that of the Schofield, and that was the power level of the 1911.
Yep.
The 45 AARP is such a great cartridge, just older technology.
Ha! Love it. :)
I see it as a double joke
45 AARP is funny for the "it old" connotation but also because many of the many times it used as a negative especially when comparing it to 9mm..........the funny thing is 9mm is even older........lol
9mm is older than 45 acp
@@ryanranard5187 Boomer joke escapes some.
😂AARP😂
Interesting and informative 🇯🇲 💯
This was an excellent - thorough and factual, with conclusions solidly founded on data and decades of experiences - video, however, I’ll offer a few comments:
1. My father was an FBI SA and Firearms Instructor. Consequentially, in the mid-1950’s I began shooting, and my preferred handguns (before, let’s say, the mid-1980’s) were the 1911A1s (which I often carried during my two decades as a military officer) and Smith/Ruger revolvers (principally, N Frames, GP-100s, and SP-101s).
2. Although I love my Kimber and Springfield (especially the Springfield TRP) 1911A1s, I now favor an early-production, .45 ACP, H&K USP Tactical for woods/field use and for home protection. Why, because it is FAR more reliable and durable that my 1911As, because its match grade, hammer forged, ordnance steel, 5.1 inch, polygonal barrel is exceedingly accurate, because it is about as heavy as five inch 1911A1, but its 12+1 capacity is superior, because the USP Tactical’s recoil reduction system reduces felt recoil - as well as wear - by about 25 percent, and because it is “the son of the MK 23” (and has the incredible precision, reliability and endurance inherent in that weapon’s basic design, materials and fabrication). Moreover, H&K has cleared the USP Tactical for unlimited .45 ACP +P and .45 Super use (with the understanding that extensive Super use will necessitate more frequent consumable parts’ replacement).
3. Were you to compare the Super’s efficacy with either standard or +P pressure .45 ACPs - or with any 10mm - I have little doubt that it would be the clear choice for quadruped defense.
4. Finally, I suggest you consider a Smith 610 as your potential 10mm sidearm. They are “N Frame tough,” very accurate, reliable and durable, and can chamber .40 S&Ws . . . thus, having the practice - defensive “combination capabilities” of the .357 magnum / .38 Special or the .44 magnum / .44 Special.
Most all steel 5" 1911's can run 45 SMC loads (28,000 psi) with a EGW flat bottom FPS and 20lb recoil spring.. 230gr @ 1,200 fps and 260gr @ 1,100 fps. Smoke on that 10mm fans
10mm 1911. Best of both worlds. I love my Ronin 10mm
That sure seems to be one heck of a pistol, and priced right too.
I have heard elsewhere it is best to use factory loads for self-defense firearms. Great info as always.
I have a 45, broke down and bought a 10mm. The 10mm S&W M&P 2.0 is now "my gun". Came with grip scales to customize grip which is a plus. The 45 is now relegated to 3rd place in my hg arsenal. Behind the 10mm and Ruger Patriot 9mm.
Now the video has concluded. I have a Gen4 40MOS, and Gen4 41MOS (two 10mm conversion barrels, one extended ported, the other flush) and an M&P 2.0 4” for 10mm autos. I also have a S&W 610 6" and a Ruger GP100 4" for revolvers.
I have a lot of 45s.
Great video! I will never forget the Hollywood sound effect for Sonny Crockett's Bren 10 on Miami Vice.
I wanted a 10mm handgun from that moment on. 🔫
Meanwhile, he was a shooting a .45 ACP the entire time, since 10mm blanks didn't exist. BTW, yes I was/am a fan as well, always wanted a Bren-Ten.
I always carried a 1911 commander length custom made 45 for many years. As my eyesight began to require bifocals in my late 50's I started carrying a Glock 45 that I purchased many years ago and had put in my safe. I also carried a Keltec 380 in the summer months. I wanted more punch and more capacity than the 380 and when the sig p365 came out I was an early adopter for my pocket pistol. This pistol is so light and small for what it offers and as a surprise so accurate it became my everyday carry gun in a strong side outside the waist holster. I also own a Glock 20 in 10mm and fire 180gr Underwood ammunition through it. This is my hunting, fishing, mountain bike gun, I live where cougar and bear are common.
I’ve always wondered what boomers keep in all those pocket of the shooting vest. One of life’s unanswered questions
LOL! I know... They're pretty silly, but they do cover up a full sized handgun, spare magazines and a flashlight well.
FYI. That ending bumper looks like it's near my cabin on Storm Mt, Colorado.
Good video!!!
I used to carry a 9mm until I got my hands on a G32 in .357 sig. Then I got an XDM Elite OSP 3.8'' in 10mm and started carrying that. However during the great ammo shortage, 10mm was super expensive and I already had lots of .357 sig so I went back to the G32. Now .357 sig is damn near extinct and insanely expensive and 10mm range ammo is reasonably priced, I'm back to my 10mm XDM Lol.. I carry Buffalo Bore 180gr JHP's.. 💪
I want to try the Underwood 135gr penetrators tho.. similar muzzle energy.
P.s. I also have a Ruger SR1911 Target in 10mm.. love it.
#XdmE the real man’s choice!!!
What an impressive comparison between the 2 caliber handgun 👏
I'm super curious about how well the 45 does out of a longer barrel. I'm in the midst of choosing a caliber for a future 6.5 in barrel Extar AR pistol for self defense. I really wonder how a 230 grain fmj will perform from that platform vs a 9mm 147 hollow point. I haven't seen much discussion or testing on that obscure topic.
I have a Lone wolf Glock I made with inter hangable slide sets. So that way I can choose what I want with what I have or what's available at the time.
I love both calibers. I have (2) .45 ACP 1911s: One is a Remington Rand parkerized standard army issue my dad carried in WW2. The other is a Colt Series 70 Mars Armament-Customized .45 ACP race gun with a 3.4 Lb. trigger pull, long beavertail, and golf ball checkering all around the grip. It's two-tone - black and gray, forged slide. I love that gun!! It cost $3,800 and took 5 years for my son to have it customized, but I bought it from him for only $1,000 (his idea) because I reload and provide the 600 - 800 rounds of practice ammo we use per week at the range. We go every week, rain or shine. Both my sons and I are die-hard shooters.
My third is also a 1911 - a first-gen Colt Delta Elite, blued, which is also my nightstand defense gun, stoked with Buffalo Bore Heavy 10mm 21B/20 JHP (180 Gr. 1,350 FPS/728 Ft.-Lb.) I also modified it myself to be a "Series 70" instead of "Series 80" by removing the mechanism that operates the firing pin lock. It was a stupid mechanism that just added to the trigger pull.
This gun's purpose: To create a hole as large as possible in anyone unwise enough to break into my house 😁
Guy... That was probably the best head to head comparison I think I e seen. I have to think like you. 45 for self defense and something bigger for our in the wild.. Nothing like slinging 230g bowling balls up close.I owned one of the original Delta Elites. Loved it but dang was it a handful... Especially with Norma ammo back in the day. One comment I would add on what ammo to carry for self defense... Find out what your local LE agencies are carrying and get you some. It's already been vetted and will hold up under adjudication. Thanks for putting out a great video!! My personal carry... Springfield Armory XD Mod 2 service model in 45ACP.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed.
The answer is the round you can carry most of. Which is why police and FBI moved to 9mm for most standard carry.
When the adrenaline is flowing people dump their ammo faster than they thought possible.
No ammo you are dead.
Only having ammo keeps you in the fight, suppresses the enemy etc. If you have no suppression they can move on you and shoot you point blank range.
Which happened in one famous incident with the FBI and actually made them change to higher capacity weapons. Having ammo and staying in the fight is more important than stopping power of a single round to some extent.
Yeh... that's the philosophy at this point.
Just finding your channel.
I have a USMC buddy who reloads for me. I have an Expert USN medal for both 1911 and M14. Both won twice.
A few things.
Miami Vice and Don Johnson made the Bren Ten a cultural thing.
45 is anemic is some folks minds. Thing is, the British were carrying 38 Short with 250gr loads traveling under 700fps until almost 1970. Slow, dense, narrow rounds do not tend to slow down when they break things (if they have enough energy) inside a mammal.
Ramshot Enforcer powder is an Enigma. It's fabulous in any magnum handgun. Same in 10mm as well as 300BLK. It's also stunning in 45ACP.
I personally load it in New Starline 45Super brass, but it doesn't hurt good quality 45ACP. The cases are identical externally. With Ramshot Enforcer, from a 5" Sig or 5.3" Glock, a 230 grain .451 is well over 1050fps. No pressure signs even in Federal or Underwood Nickel 45ACP cases. It's capable of more, but I won't go into that.
If you look at the loss on the tables you post for 10(?) and 50 yards, you state the 10mm advantage increases with distance.
First, I didn't run the numbers myself; I took your numbers and went with them. 10mm is losing substantially more in those yards. Partly because it's supersonic. Certainly not wind resistance. But the subsonics hold energy more efficiently because they aren't trying to bash through the sound barrier and tear along. Slow bullets, 45acp, 38 Long (British version), 300BLK subsonic lose less energy because their velocity doesn't change nearly the way a faster, supersonic round does.
Again, I went with your numbers for 10 & 45, but a 220 300BLK doesn't shed velocity over 300 yards. It falls like a stone (gravity), but the velocity is very slow to scrape away against atmosphere.
Just my thoughts and observations.
Back to your video!
Ramshot enforcer for 300 blackout? Thought enforcer was a rifle powder and not a magnum powder?
Very pleasant presentation and more than merely entertaining, thought provoking.
One thing still boggles my tiny mind:
I buy my own ammo, often in good weather months am at the range for 3-5 hours, sometimes until my shoulders are beginning to ache from the practice, and wealth & I are strangers who have never met, so though I have chosen a 10mm - I don't understand why more guys (& ladies) haven't realized they can (as I do) practice Self Defense drills with a G-lock 9mm - then be fully confident carrying a 10mm.
In a real-world S.D. conflagration any individual will be made 2-5 times stronger by the immediate adrenaline dump into the bloodstream and a 454 Casull will feel like a .22.
It's the movement and training in accuracy at typically less than any distance wherein any round will not fully mimic any other caliber, but the muscle memory in firearm retrieval from the holster and aiming translate perfectly to 10mm / .45 / 50AE etc from training with a comparatively affordable 9mm.
I acquired my practice 9mm G-lock 17 for $325 used and had no issues whatsoever when came time to react, though (fortunately!) no triggers were pulled, you could easily have convinced me that I had mistakenly grabbed my 9mm - even though there is a size difference, IT DIDN'T MATTER, the training translated over perfectly.
Good thoughts!
No contest 10mm for me.
I've just acquired a Kimber Rapide in 10mm, I was a hard core 40S&W guy, the 10 checks bigger boxes. Aslo spent a great amount of time while in the military with 45. I like them all. Gravitate to the 10 because I'm in backwoods of Montana alot.
Great reason to prefer the 10mm. Big furry things in the woods....