Brett Kos You are correct, the speed loss is negligible or actually faster. I saw a YT video that compared a .357 revolver to a .357 auto.... WHO_TEE_WHO. No chronograph, but just paper plates (hey, he likes to have fun) and the revolver won!
This is the most inaccurate test first comparing the 5.7 banshee to a heritage roughrider everyone knows you can get more velocity out of a carbine versus pistol .2 you should have used the v- max wmr 40 compared to 40gr fmj ..
The revolver honestly has the advantage with its slightly longer barrel. Barrel gap isn't as significant as you might think, it's like a 50fps difference out of modern smokeless powder guns
He said the suppressor shouldn't change the velocity that's true I guess I can't challenge that. But shooting a revolver against a semi auto. The fact the bolt moves from the energy displaced by the shell has to change the velocity compared to a non moveable round. Like difference between a bolt action and a semi auto
Yikes, that revolver gave some ugly 22 mag speeds. The PMR 30 with a 5" bbl will give velocities in excess of 1500fps with that load. This test wasn't all that informative due to the poor representative for the 22 mag.
semi auto rifle vs revolver with a "cylinder gap" not sure how good of a comparison that is. I bet the 5.7 still wins, but the cylinder gap, come on! Just go with a 5.56 and the ammo will be cheaper also.
Brought back some memories: I inherited a .22 Mag Scout single action from my grandfather. A somewhat clumsy pistol, but it taught me the art of breathing and aiming.
5.7x28mm is closer to .22 Hornet than it is .22 WMR. The cylinder gap on the revolver is negligible so ignore any remarks from people making them. I have a Kel-Tec PMR-30 with 4.5 inch barrel than using 40gr V-Max ammo or the CCI Maxi Mags I can achieve higher velocity than you did with that A22 ammo, so I will say quality ammo will change the results some. However, 5.7x28mm will be faster and carry more energy regardless. It holds more powder, can be loaded to higher pressures, and can drive the same weight bullet faster no matter what. That's all there is to it. Now, compared to .22 Hornet it's a different story. But finding .22 Hornet handguns will be nearly impossible unless you can find a Taurus Raging Hornet like Matt over at Demolition Ranch or maybe a Thompson Center. Truly, the 5.7x28mm has proven to be a bit of a hype caliber as time has gone on, but that's mostly because it's original intention as a caliber as civilians getting armor piercing ammo is a no go. And without proper ammo, just like anything lacking proper ammo, it's not very impressive. Now, 20 rounds on tap, lighter than most 9mm guns with the same capacity, and very low felt recoil make it a good self defense round regardless of it's short comings. It is however a round that shot placement will mean more than anything else. As finding good expanding ammo will take you to the specialty market and it's going to get costly, and even fully expanded it wont be that big. Something like the PMR-30 in my eyes is a competitor in that same regard of having a lot of ammo and being light and shot placement mattering more. However, a 5.7 will like be far more reliable due to being center fire ammo. All in all, I wish people would stop saying it's like .22 WMR because it's not. I also wish people wouldnt compare it to 5.56 because it's not the same either. Now, in short barrels the 5.7x28 with proper ammo has been shown to have better terminal ballistics than the 5.56, however with some recent ammo developments that may have changed a bit more from when that information was initially gathered. I think these days an SBR 5.56 with fragmenting ammo would do a much better job than 5.7x28mm with good expanding ammo. So I feel the 5.7 was initially designed as a duty round for military, para military, and LEO's as an option to defeat 3A body armor and for that purpose it does fine. For up close and personal it's a great round, just look at the Fort Hood shooting. Proper ammo in the gun and it did more than most could have asked from it, even if it was a tragedy that never should have happened it was good data if nothing else.
@@dr.burtgummerfan439 I hear that about as much as everybody who says 7.62 Tokarev will defeat 3A body armor. It's not that it isn't capable with steel cored ammunition but without the steel cored ammo, it won't.
Horrible test. You may as well have shot the .22 magnum out of a derringer, and the 5.7 out of a 22 inch barrel bolt action. .22 Magnum loses a lot to the cylinder gap. According to BBTI, .22 mag out of a 5 inch barrel (bolt action) gets 1355 fps. Out of a 5.5 inch revolver it only gets 1248 fps. Furthermore, .22 Mag benefits heavily from a longer barrel. The difference between a 5" barrel and a 18" barrel is 500 fps. Compare that to a 9mm, who may only gain 150-200 fps from the same difference.
Probably would've been better to use two similar firearms.. I mean a sbr suppressed and a revolver are like, total different spectrums. Something like an excel accelerator in 22 mag and 5.7 ( they offer both ) would have been best. Take away all variables
The 5.7 x28 is a hell of a round 👏 but is it really worth the cost? The FN is at least twice the price and the ammo is at least 10 per more than a 22 magnum. After considering an AR pistol is a lot more powerful than the 5.7 x 28 and the pistol is cheaper whats the point??really I got caught up in that when the Ruger 57 came out. They were out of stock and gave me a chance to think things thru. So I never got one I did get a Keltec PMR30 and im pretty happy with it.
I don’t know anyone who says 22mag is equivalent to 5.7. Just similar enough to make it’s costing a third as much look really good by contrast. Btw- Rough riders have enormous cylinder gap issues. Loved the video though.
A banshee mechanism Vs a revolver is asinine, because of the velocity comparison is compromised. So try something like a”KRISS DEFIANCE DMK22C” versus a Banshee 5.7
I hope this puts to rest the ridiculous notion that a 22 magnum is close or even equal to the 5.7x28. It has over 400 feet of extra velocity out of a shorter barrel with a heavier slug. There is simply no comparison.
22 wmr is after way over looked...but it is alot cheaper that 5.7... Now 5.7 does have more get up and go...my son had the same 22 pistol w a mag cyl.. he is a damn good shot w it...
It's a real shame how these kids have fallin prey to video game info, believing everything that they see. It wouldn't matter what this round costed, they would buy it, because it penetrates body armor in a video game. (When the civilian version of this round really doesn't). Kinda funny watching them believe it tho.....lol
Revolver v automatic? Isn't there a big difference in chamber pressure and inurn a difference in FPS? This is an honest question I'm looking for someone to answer.
The use of the revolver was a mistake. Also, why the hell not show velocity of the 5.7 WITHOUT the suppressor? That leaves so much doubt as to make the whole effort useless.
Aren't 5.7 rounds suppose to shoot at about 2100 fps even from a 57 pistol like FN 57, Ruger 57 or even m&p 57. Why is your 57 traveling at just about 1600 fps? What could be the issue? You're using a 5 inch barrel too. Atleast 1800 fps was expected
Atleast compare it with a cmr 30 using a revolver in the comparison isn’t a good comparison at all, wouldn’t you lose velocity with a revolver because it has a a tiny space between the cylinder and the barrel which would make me think the revolver loses more velocity compared to a gun that completely enclosed the round inside a sealed chamber
What we're the barrel lengths used for each (apologies if I missed it). I'd have more interest in this with rifle length barrels. I have no experience with 5.7, but 22 mag easily shoots 2000-2200fps from my rifles. I use it often for small game up to coyotes. I'd be interested in the terminal ballistics from rifles at different distances, accuracy and drift. I could find a use for 5.7 if it doesn't cause significantly more damage than 22mag and had significantly increased accuracy
6 inch on the revolver, 5 inch on the Banshee. 5.7 loadings vary wildly, from the weak as shit American Eagle loading to the acceptable FN loadings like SS198LF (around 2600 fps out of a ten inch barrel, all the way up to maximum performance loadings like the Elite Ammo S4M, which pushes a 28gr JHP round to over 3,000 fps from a ten inch barrel.
5.740 grain out of a 5" barrel is the worst setup. Basically getting CCI stinger speeds. And the .22 magnum out of a revolver is also the worst possible setup. And then comparing the 2? Not trying to be mean but this video was pointless
Rough Rider revolver with cylinder gap with 22mag 35gr soft point vs 5.7 40gr fmj... Apple's to Orange's Test.
Fresh Fowler yea the 22mag should of been a Henry and the 5.7 should be a hunting round
You're not going to get anywhere near a 400 fps speed loss due to the cylinder gap. I think it was a close enough test with the available equipment
Brett Kos You are correct, the speed loss is negligible or actually faster. I saw a YT video that compared a .357 revolver to a .357 auto.... WHO_TEE_WHO. No chronograph, but just paper plates (hey, he likes to have fun) and the revolver won!
@Khetman of the Zaporozhyan Cossack Host you're comparing ammos you should use the same bullet type
This is the most inaccurate test first comparing the 5.7 banshee to a heritage roughrider everyone knows you can get more velocity out of a carbine versus pistol .2 you should have used the v- max wmr 40 compared to 40gr fmj ..
Those .22magnums should have been 1400 fps out of a six inch barrel. I guess that gap in the revolver slowed it down
Come on man. At least compare them out of remotely similar firearms
Yeah no shit a semi auto rifle Vs a .22 mag in a revolver that kinda of bullshit.
The revolver honestly has the advantage with its slightly longer barrel. Barrel gap isn't as significant as you might think, it's like a 50fps difference out of modern smokeless powder guns
Josh Meade it was a rifle against a pistol ..
And? They had the same barrel length..
He said the suppressor shouldn't change the velocity that's true I guess I can't challenge that. But shooting a revolver against a semi auto. The fact the bolt moves from the energy displaced by the shell has to change the velocity compared to a non moveable round. Like difference between a bolt action and a semi auto
Not even a fair comparison, you could at least used comparable firearms with same barrel lengths!
Yikes, that revolver gave some ugly 22 mag speeds. The PMR 30 with a 5" bbl will give velocities in excess of 1500fps with that load. This test wasn't all that informative due to the poor representative for the 22 mag.
I'd take 5.7 any day over 22Mag
And the p90 over the mp7
Same here. Can’t reload 22mag. Well, you can but it’s harder and more time consuming
you must be rich then
Never a good comparison. One is center fire, the other rimfire. Makes a big difference. And case strength matters.
5.7x28 is also shot from a pcc rather than from a pistol
Military Arms Channel has a better comparison video of these two rounds
semi auto rifle vs revolver with a "cylinder gap" not sure how good of a comparison that is. I bet the 5.7 still wins, but the cylinder gap, come on! Just go with a 5.56 and the ammo will be cheaper also.
Try the 22 WMR from a rifle. That cartridge is optimized for a rifle length barrel whereas the 5.7 was optimized for a 10" barrel.
That's a vague statement. There are 5.7 rounds that do over 3000fps from a long rifle.
Do a comparison with 22 tcm
Brought back some memories: I inherited a .22 Mag Scout single action from my grandfather. A somewhat clumsy pistol, but it taught me the art of breathing and aiming.
5.7 all day long especially when using a 27 grain.
Firearms and ammo used makes this comparison irrelevant.
Try using CCI 40 Grain maxi mag high velocity 1875 fps in a Keltec pmr 30
5.7x28mm is closer to .22 Hornet than it is .22 WMR. The cylinder gap on the revolver is negligible so ignore any remarks from people making them. I have a Kel-Tec PMR-30 with 4.5 inch barrel than using 40gr V-Max ammo or the CCI Maxi Mags I can achieve higher velocity than you did with that A22 ammo, so I will say quality ammo will change the results some. However, 5.7x28mm will be faster and carry more energy regardless.
It holds more powder, can be loaded to higher pressures, and can drive the same weight bullet faster no matter what. That's all there is to it. Now, compared to .22 Hornet it's a different story. But finding .22 Hornet handguns will be nearly impossible unless you can find a Taurus Raging Hornet like Matt over at Demolition Ranch or maybe a Thompson Center. Truly, the 5.7x28mm has proven to be a bit of a hype caliber as time has gone on, but that's mostly because it's original intention as a caliber as civilians getting armor piercing ammo is a no go. And without proper ammo, just like anything lacking proper ammo, it's not very impressive. Now, 20 rounds on tap, lighter than most 9mm guns with the same capacity, and very low felt recoil make it a good self defense round regardless of it's short comings. It is however a round that shot placement will mean more than anything else. As finding good expanding ammo will take you to the specialty market and it's going to get costly, and even fully expanded it wont be that big.
Something like the PMR-30 in my eyes is a competitor in that same regard of having a lot of ammo and being light and shot placement mattering more. However, a 5.7 will like be far more reliable due to being center fire ammo. All in all, I wish people would stop saying it's like .22 WMR because it's not. I also wish people wouldnt compare it to 5.56 because it's not the same either. Now, in short barrels the 5.7x28 with proper ammo has been shown to have better terminal ballistics than the 5.56, however with some recent ammo developments that may have changed a bit more from when that information was initially gathered. I think these days an SBR 5.56 with fragmenting ammo would do a much better job than 5.7x28mm with good expanding ammo. So I feel the 5.7 was initially designed as a duty round for military, para military, and LEO's as an option to defeat 3A body armor and for that purpose it does fine. For up close and personal it's a great round, just look at the Fort Hood shooting. Proper ammo in the gun and it did more than most could have asked from it, even if it was a tragedy that never should have happened it was good data if nothing else.
GREAT point about the AP ammo. I get SO tired of hearing the 5.7 touted as "armor piercing". 🙄
@@dr.burtgummerfan439 I hear that about as much as everybody who says 7.62 Tokarev will defeat 3A body armor. It's not that it isn't capable with steel cored ammunition but without the steel cored ammo, it won't.
I don't recall the 5.7 in the "How powerful is it" series with the van.... Let's see... the 5.7 was developed about 100 yrs after the .22 mag?
Maybe about 50 years
No f***ing comparison...the 5.7×28 is a far superior round and u should've used the actual fn pistol for a more apples to apples comparison
Great video exactly what I was looking into for my next gun
"Tac, tac, tac, tac, PEW " hahaha... Nice video bro.
@2:40-3:10 - And THIS is why RIMFIRE is NOT RECOMMENDED for self-defense!
It wasn't a reliability issue, they only put 1 bullet in the revolver, and the guy staged it wrong so that the last shot was the one with a bullet
But your right, rimfire is less reliable, just not that unreliable
Horrible test. You may as well have shot the .22 magnum out of a derringer, and the 5.7 out of a 22 inch barrel bolt action.
.22 Magnum loses a lot to the cylinder gap. According to BBTI, .22 mag out of a 5 inch barrel (bolt action) gets 1355 fps. Out of a 5.5 inch revolver it only gets 1248 fps. Furthermore, .22 Mag benefits heavily from a longer barrel. The difference between a 5" barrel and a 18" barrel is 500 fps. Compare that to a 9mm, who may only gain 150-200 fps from the same difference.
I don't always leave comments, but when I do you can bet the video was badass! this was an amazing home defense test!
For all those times when you are attacked in your home by a Morton steel building?
Probably would've been better to use two similar firearms.. I mean a sbr suppressed and a revolver are like, total different spectrums. Something like an excel accelerator in 22 mag and 5.7 ( they offer both ) would have been best. Take away all variables
how many buckets of dog shit will5.7x28mm go through or 5.56 ? ?
This guy has the most random NFA items I’ve ever seen.
I agree. Should be similar firearms.
I’m glade you did this comparison. I wish you would have used a hotter 22 mag round though.
I wish he would have used Elite Ammo's S4M 5.7 load. It clocks around 2,400 fps out of a Five seveN pistol, and over 3,000 out of a 10" SBR'd PS90
Should have included an ammo buying trip to Walmart. Be sure to mention ammo costs and availability .
As a reloader I am curious about the viability of reloading the 5.7 compared to the 22 hornet or k-hornet
Nice to see womble back
You ruined that rim fire firing pin with no cartridge slamming the hammer down causes damage
The 5.7 x28 is a hell of a round 👏 but is it really worth the cost? The FN is at least twice the price and the ammo is at least 10 per more than a 22 magnum. After considering an AR pistol is a lot more powerful than the 5.7 x 28 and the pistol is cheaper whats the point??really I got caught up in that when the Ruger 57 came out. They were out of stock and gave me a chance to think things thru. So I never got one I did get a Keltec PMR30 and im pretty happy with it.
Fn57 vs keltec pmr 30 would be a way better comparison
Next week: Can the popular 9 mil outgun the mighty BB?
.22 TCM would be interesting... as others have suggested.
Federal 5.7 is slowed down compared to Law Enforcement round! But good video.
I'm already reading the comments and I can say I agree with most that it's a pretty uneven comparison 🤔
I finally found a video I haven't seen before Lol
Glad to see you finally got a pro shooter to help you with your videos. I believe all tests should be done by a sniper such as this.
I don’t know anyone who says 22mag is equivalent to 5.7. Just similar enough to make it’s costing a third as much look really good by contrast. Btw- Rough riders have enormous cylinder gap issues.
Loved the video though.
Is that 22mag ammo from CCI the TNT offering? I doubt it with a crono of 1,241. The TNT has an advertised velocity of 2,200FPS
Oh and news flash!!! Shotguns don't scatter at close range, like they depict on video games either. lol
A banshee mechanism Vs a revolver is asinine, because of the velocity comparison is compromised. So try something like a”KRISS DEFIANCE DMK22C” versus a Banshee 5.7
I hope this puts to rest the ridiculous notion that a 22 magnum is close or even equal to the 5.7x28. It has over 400 feet of extra velocity out of a shorter barrel with a heavier slug. There is simply no comparison.
22 wmr is after way over looked...but it is alot cheaper that 5.7...
Now 5.7 does have more get up and go...my son had the same 22 pistol w a mag cyl.. he is a damn good shot w it...
Sort of like comparing 45 to .25
17 hmr would probably make a better comparison to 22 mag. Super low Mv from the revolver.
D M yeah, well alot of dummies like to claim 5.7 is no better than 22mag. That's why a few people have done comparison tests to put it in perspective.
Gadsden Jim I mean 5.7 short barrel performance is comparable .22 mag *rifle* performance....People completely gloss over that part tho
In my opinion 22 Hornet would be closer to 5.7x28 then 17 HMR.
That's like comparing a .45 colt to a 45/70 not the same league.
The 11 piece of gutter had a sphincter. An FN 5.7 x 28 FN Brand bullet would have gone through all.
It's a real shame how these kids have fallin prey to video game info, believing everything that they see. It wouldn't matter what this round costed, they would buy it, because it penetrates body armor in a video game. (When the civilian version of this round really doesn't). Kinda funny watching them believe it tho.....lol
Why are you comparing velocity of the 5.7 sbr vs .22 mag handgun w/6" barrel? Apples vs. Oranges...
On that Heritage Rough Rider, I'm betting that the reason it isn't shooting reliably is that the firing pin is mushroomed out on the tip.
He only loaded one, he staged it backwards so it had to go all the way around to hit it.
I would still go with the 22 magnum and save lots of money shooting
Awesome video but i would like to see 5.7x28 vs .17 WSM. Wouldn`t that be interesting!?That way, i can choose between the two calibers!
It would def be an apples to oranges comparison. Because of barrel length. 17 is doing like 3200, a 5.7 shorty tops out at 2200
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Its time for ruger to make a 10/5.7
Lets all be honest here. :D
This aged like wine lmfao
Revolver v automatic? Isn't there a big difference in chamber pressure and inurn a difference in FPS? This is an honest question I'm looking for someone to answer.
very interesting I have seen vids of 5.7 tumbling in different types of medium
An AK chambered in 556? Please make a video about that gun
Any Archer/ beryl is in 556
XSourStarX I have an AK pattern rifle chambered in 5.56mm. It's a Norinco Type 84. Great rifle, but finding magazines for it is hell.
Amer Eagle slow rounds, short barrel.
With a mil round and 8"-10" barrel you'd see all-plates penetration.
You're comparing a pistol to a rifle? Not sure that you're getting accurate results this way.
Like to see the test versus a 1911 Rock Island XT22. Same 5 inch barrel length. No cylinder gap.
I would like to see the same ammo 22Mag. Vs. 5.7 on ballistic jel.
Ya'll should try 5.7x28mm VS .22 TCM. My money would more likely be on the .22 TCM!
Finally back far enough from the chronograph. Thank you for listening to viewer feedback! See how much less of a spread there is?
it's been awhile since I've seen that odd guy on your videos.
Lol, my air rifle just about shoots as fast as that .22wmr. I’ve clocked 1189 before on it.
Test Weapons were not even remotely comparable, nor did using a suppressed weapon vs a non suppressed make any ballistic sense.
How about a 22 Hornet compared to your 5.7, that seems fairer
please do 5.7x28mm vs .22 hornet
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The use of the revolver was a mistake. Also, why the hell not show velocity of the 5.7 WITHOUT the suppressor? That leaves so much doubt as to make the whole effort useless.
Well until you compare same bullet style and weight you're comparing is irrelevant and unfair
Grain size?
I've shot through 1/8th inch hard steel with the ps90? This video has underpowered the 5.7!
I know the 5.57 x28 and 22 mag. as a popular comparison but have you thought of the 22 tcm round as a test round for the 5.7x 28 round
22tcm or 22tcm9r should be closer to the 5.7x28mm, 22 Winchester rim fire and 22magnum, isn't close to either . Each 1 has a different use , for me
5.7x28 vs 17 hmr next😁
you need to shoot closer to the 2x4 . plates are bending, 17 cal went over your heads to the right. watch the film of it!
beautiful revolver
well they should of used a bolt action on the 22 mag to make it farer
Aren't 5.7 rounds suppose to shoot at about 2100 fps even from a 57 pistol like FN 57, Ruger 57 or even m&p 57. Why is your 57 traveling at just about 1600 fps? What could be the issue? You're using a 5 inch barrel too. Atleast 1800 fps was expected
Atleast compare it with a cmr 30 using a revolver in the comparison isn’t a good comparison at all, wouldn’t you lose velocity with a revolver because it has a a tiny space between the cylinder and the barrel which would make me think the revolver loses more velocity compared to a gun that completely enclosed the round inside a sealed chamber
3:05 like come on dude I don't got all day. Only had to add this do to the disrespect of the ad!
Tbf ive seen some 5.7 ammo bookin it at 2400 fps out of a 4.5 inch barrel
How about trying the 5.7 mm vs the original 5mm Rem mag? (both in equal length barrels)
What we're the barrel lengths used for each (apologies if I missed it).
I'd have more interest in this with rifle length barrels. I have no experience with 5.7, but 22 mag easily shoots 2000-2200fps from my rifles. I use it often for small game up to coyotes. I'd be interested in the terminal ballistics from rifles at different distances, accuracy and drift.
I could find a use for 5.7 if it doesn't cause significantly more damage than 22mag and had significantly increased accuracy
5.7 is built for short barrel performance.
6 inch on the revolver, 5 inch on the Banshee. 5.7 loadings vary wildly, from the weak as shit American Eagle loading to the acceptable FN loadings like SS198LF (around 2600 fps out of a ten inch barrel, all the way up to maximum performance loadings like the Elite Ammo S4M, which pushes a 28gr JHP round to over 3,000 fps from a ten inch barrel.
5.740 grain out of a 5" barrel is the worst setup.
Basically getting CCI stinger speeds. And the .22 magnum out of a revolver is also the worst possible setup. And then comparing the 2? Not trying to be mean but this video was pointless
not bad... thanks
He should have used a Ruger
on the cmmg -- could you test 5 shots with and without the silencer to check the speed?
Silencers do not impact the speed
Why would you use a rifle cartridge in a handgun then the handgun ammo in a tac rifle lol
Not rocket science what round is better. If it's a shtf situation I'll be running .22 mag. Good luck finding 5.7
What about 45/70 vs 12 gauge slugs.?
SO HOW FAR DID THE 5.7 GO YOU DIDNT SAY
Its called metal roofing
Doesnt revolver lose a lot of muzzle velocity since gap from cylinder to barrel for gasses to escape
22mag king of the hill
New medium , Last Jedi D.V.Ds
Este experimento no tiene validez si se usa un el 22 mag en un revólver, esa bala en una carabina tiene 1800fps
I would love to see some pass though ballistic fell with dry wall behind representative of self defense inside your house
How does 5.7 compare to 17 HMR or 17 Hornet?