Porsche 911 TARGA 4S (991.2). Is this Porsche's HIDDEN GEM?
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- Porsche 911 TARGA 4S (991.2). Is this Porsche's HIDDEN GEM?
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This week, what we consider to be the real hidden gem in the Porsche 911 991.2 generation - the mighty C4S Targa. Steeped in history, beautiful to behold, featuring THAT folding roof, and now packing serious flat-6 twin-turbo firepower.
The Targa used to be the wimpy runt of the litter (993, 996, 997 & 991.1), but this final edition is a serious drivers’ car with unbeatable versatility, and the ability to turn heads at 50 paces.
And it’s a favourite of Jay Kay from Jamiroquai!
Will this Carmine Red beauty work its way into the CarGuys’ garage? Can Jason be converted to modern 911s? Will the roof keeping working? All these questions and more are answered in this week’s episode. Enjoy!
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The Targa has to be the best looking normal 911.
@Young Black Conservative GT3RS I would say :-)
And it always was
My favourite non-GT Porsche, it's just so beautiful!
This channel is the real hidden gem
Aw, bless your heart
Completely agreed
Thanks, Andrew
Deserves a lot more subs.
So far above and beyond the other channels featuring Divs.
I like it alot, no videos in underground car parks or petrol stations!!
“Get down there you slag!” 😄
Made me chuckle that 🤣
Love the face being pulled at 16:21, during the full bore acceleration run haha!!! The perfect example of just how rapid this beast is.
Targa is still the best looking 911 ever!
Huge leap forward in cinematography in this video. The first minutes contain very good visual work. The overlap of the roof diagram and the real one opening was outstanding.
Back to the car, I would have a coupe to be fair, but I reckon that the Targa looks much nicer than the cabriolet and has way more personality.
I am not easily amused especially as am getting older, but u two give me a right laugh, especially the taller guy. Love ur videos, even my wife watches em and she don't even like cars.
This channel slowly became one of my all-time favourites on RUclips, please never stop uploading guys!
Its fantastic its a proper Targa once again.Porsche just keeps upping the game with the 911.
991.2 is the best looking gen of 911s imo
Every 911(of 991.2)from the turbo s to the Gt2rs look absolutely stunning !
Curtis Upperman Carrera GT will always be my favourite Porsche too!
The Gt3 in a pastel gray spec is second
Gt2rs for its sheer speed
Tubo s
Now coming to non street legal Porsches
919 evo Lmp1 car
911 rsr 2018
What about you are there any other brands that you like ?
Curtis Upperman I’m also a big fan of modified Porsches like Singer,rwb and ruf
Curtis Upperman you 2 man ....been a long time since I met a like minded petrolhead on RUclips ,do you have an Instagram or Twitter ?
Curtis Upperman I’m not a fan of recent Ferraris tbh the 488, 812(specially from the front those headlights look hideous!) plus they all lack in performance when you compare them to their competitors like Lamborghini and Mclaren and of course Porsche
The modern Ferraris I like are F12(still the most beautiful modern Gt car) ,La Ferrari, 360 challenge ,430 scud and ofc 458 and 488 pista maybe
And ofc I’m a big fan of f50,f40 enzo and 250 gto you know the classic Ferraris
But at the end of the day it’s lambo for me
Curtis Upperman I agree the 812 sounds amazing and I bet it would be great fun sliding around on track and burnouts .....sad to see we won’t see v12 Ferraris or any v12s for that matter anymore in the future..then these RUclips videos will remind us the drama and emotion of these glorious v12s when everything has gone electric ⚡️
I remember someone saying that ,”Car guys are just nerds who though PC building and comic books weren’t an expensive enough hobby “lol
I love the Targa. Your comment about the possible longevity of the roof mechanism really struck a cord with me as I have a 14 year old Mercedes AMG with the folding metal roof and I dread the day it stops working😬
‘Get down there you slag’ 😂😂😂😂
Absolutely stunning! Love the fact that they are bringing back the retro targa look on this model.
This is an old video now, but the value of 991.2 targa’s is going through the roof! Pardon the pun! I have been looking for one, then sell in days and the prices have gone up by £10k in the last two weeks. Watching every RUclips review you can see why. Damen and Jason you are spot on, in your reviews. Every film is a must watch. Keep up the great work! My quest to find the right targa continues... cheers Rich
Thanks, my friend - good luck in your search
I think Porsche should make a special "RS" version of the Targa 4S by deleting the mechanism of the roof top and use a manual hop-on T-top and possibly going through a 'GT3' light weighted treatment to make it a more desirable sports car with Targa top. Tks for the video!
I'd be up for this - I'm always scared of that electric roof.
As the owner of a (older model) Mercedes AMG with a folding hardtop roof, I definitely relate to your concerns over the long term reliability of the Targa roof mechanism. However whilst it is working it is pure magic!
Yes the Targa is the coolest car in Porsches line up, but I would say that wouldn't I 😊 great video once again guys
Phew, so we pass the Bailey test?
TheCarGuys.TV yes you may one day even qualify to join my team 😂
hello roger bailey
Great video. I own this car with a manual transmission since June 2016 and happy to report after 20k miles and countless of targa roof use, the wobbly roof is still functioning reliably and as wobbly as ever but is still working after almost 3 yrs. Great car and do prefer it as my daily driver to my 2017 Macan GTS, my 991.2 GT3, 991.2 GT3 RS, 991.2 GT2 RS, And my GT4 and I drive on all weather conditions including heavy snow and of course on track and autocross. Shortly after I got it, I remember shattering the egos of few GT3 991.1 owners as this car beat them both on track and on autocross on standard P zero tires and with a manual transmission. Imagine if this beast wore cup 2 tires like my other GT Porsches... Lovely Lovely car. Only complain the exhausts note. Mark
Good to hear, Mark
Talk about a dream garage,if you're telling the truth. You are a very fortunate individual... Good for you!🙏
I went for a test drive on the strength of this review and ended up buying a yellow 991.2 Targa 4S about 6 months ago. It really is a lovely car. Great video and great channel.
Wow, awesome ! Send us a pic 👍
Saw a detail I was unaware of at 10:25...an air deflector just above the windshield/windscreen. Talk about parts that can and will go wrong! These guys are great and think it's time to hit subscribe...
3:49 How could a Targa be faster than the coupe and convertible weighing more than those two?
Andrew S great engineering 🤷🏾♂️
AfroninjaGAMES They have the same engine, heavier is slower all other things being equal.
Andrew S what I’m saying is they had to have done something to make that possible, if the cars were exactly the same it wouldn’t be possible
A regular fixed roof car is metal all around and the roof part probably has electronics going through it for luxuries and extra materials for sound proofing.
A convertible actually puts the most weight on a car the folding soft top frame being the culprit.
The Targa roof mechanism looks really thin probably used of lightweight metals. Idk if it is but the targa top is probably fiberglass and not metal
Didn’t they say it’s lower than the other 911? Maybe that can achieve better acceleration?
Surprised with the roof. Cant understand why they didn't make a removable bit you can put in the boot rather than all the mechanical drama.
Still a great car and i like the metal roof band
Love the channel gents!!! It's so refreshing to have the presenters of a car show be decent normal blokes. I haven't once felt the urge to punch either of you in the face, the same thing certainly isnt true with Clarkson (and his cronies) and several RUclipsrs. Very personable presenters and a great real life car review, done on our not so great UK roads. The highest of compliments I'd say haha!!! I thought your JK and Tiff impersonations were pretty good!!!
Thanks, David. You are officially awesome
I'am digging the Targa. would love to see it in black with those wheels.
Love your Porsche content so much .... 1 year in to owning a Porsche and want to keep it forever.
Beautiful car ... but still can`t get over you selling the F40. First thing I was thinking about when the Video popped up in my notifications. Will need a few weeks to get over it :-D - Your 1985 Versions looks also delicious.
Targa, henceforth known as the Jay Kay Hat Top. Super good fun. The throwback wheels are a true delight. Cheers, chaps.
Love that transition when you moved from the tech drawing to real life. Class.
Thanks, Paul - you are the first to comment on that - it makes the effort worthwhile when people notice the detail 👍
this channel deserves much more subs
"Roof off, what do you think about rigidity?" Yes, I'm definitely getting it.
Simply breath taking. What a piece of beautiful machinery, elegant wow I'm in love !
after having owned a Mk1 Elise in the past.. there is a certain charm in having to put a roof up manually and getting slightly wet in the process.. Beautiful car though (C4S Targa) and a great review as always!
Best duo since morecome and wise. When I watch one of these posts it takes me back to the eighties. Half expect my old man to come through the door with the fish and chips bought with luncheon vouchers. There is a metal Mickey era about this channel and it works. Keep going Lads. Big Fan.
Er , thanks
I wanna hate the Targa because I can't locate a used one within my budget/city. Fuck this, it keeps getting better!
No need for the overtake button! Sheer brilliance 👌🏼💪🏻👍🏻
Love the Targa.
Was hoping you’d show the roof movement. It’s a joy to see.
Don't worry, you can check the same roof movement out on the Mazda MX5 RF review. :)
I can't believe you're ragging it around the back of 3legged cross Wimborne etc at these speeds without the rozzers picking up on this video :D fair play though and thanks for the footage.
Always my first watch on a Saturday morning, well done again guys
As always keep em coming gents. Bloody great!
I think the targa 4s is the best looking Porsche in a long time. Even if I could afford either. I'd prefer the targa over the turbo.
I'd love a Turbo Targa. Porsche made a handful of those of the 930 and I think it's a really attractive combination.
Yes that would be awesome - and how about a slantnose? But if you think the C4S is blowy...
Update: Hi guys... I am happy to report that my 2017 targa 4S was traded last month for new 992 targa 4S after 4.5 yrs of ownership and 25K miles and been through hundreds of autocross and track events. the roof back piece although is wobbly and looks awkward during operation, held up very well without any problems. Probably opened and closed the roof about +100 times a year and still no issues. The new car roof still looks awkward during operation but I am not too concerned. Mark
Awesome, congratulations 👍
i just bought a 2017 in Night Blue in lieu of buying the more $$ and more complicated 2025 Targa GTS. i think this is the best looking 911, better than the 992 and certainly better than 992.2.
may I ask what the relationship is between Damian and Jason? and are the cars co owned between them?
Well done gents. The overall length of a 991.1 compared even to a 2004 Carrera 4S is very similar. A significant difference is in the length of the wheel base and this is what I believe makes the 991.1 models feel more un-Porsche-like. I believe what improves the sensation is more lower -end torque via the turbos in the 991.2 models. Great channel.
Thanks, Cabby
You guys speaking again after the f40 bombshell! ? 😁 I think the new 911s look to bulky.. 997 was the sweet spot
I think it’s all down to personal taste, I much prefer the new 911’s, they look sleeker with better styling details.
every generation before 991 was too small. i'm glad they made it bigger in 992.
@@garyhsu9935 interior similar.. Body bigger... A smaller car is easier to place on the road
What year was your 911 C4S Targa? I watched your RUclips video and I have a 2018 911 Targa 4S and it does not have headlight washers while your model had them. I know mine was made for the U. S. market but the elimination of such an iconic item was disappointing because I previously owned a 1984 911 Targa and it had this feature. Also, your concern about the functioning of the roof may be of concern, but I am not worried about it as an owner. My dealer tried to get me to upgrade to a GTS but I chose to keep it simple since I was not intending to race the car and there are only certain areas where one can open this car up and I have felt that the 4S has plenty of power in those instances. Thanks for the review, and by the way, I have tired the LAUNCH CONTROL but not the instant acceleration from the center button. I will try it on my next trip later this month.
Jay kay put some timber on it looked like he was trying to smuggle a Christmas turkey😂Love the Targa it’s the model I would choose,living on the Costa Blanca for 6 months a year it would get lots of use with the roof off
Always loved the Targa. Forgot the turbo, I’d have the previous NA model 😎
I like you guys reviewing cars. Your not trying to be too cool.. (like the car rookies.. or rookie reviewers) which is good. This is a nice modest sports car. I like it. Did I see a button there that makes the exhaust louder?? Can you guys send me some money so that I could put it towards getting a 911 myself? Thanks.
Very tempted to part ex my 991.1 GTS for a Targa 991.2 GTS in Black.
Your channel just gets better! Your funny, I’ve learnt something , car is cracking , I got a nice watch shot. The car has an analog clock!!!
I never knew the old targa had a plastic removable back screen, Vintage is great!
Thanks as always I’m now always looking forward to your Friday uploads
Brilliant video again chaps. I’m still not a Targa convert, but I respect them a bit more now. Turbo S Coupe every time!
Nice one, Rich
Just the potential creaking noises can be the long term problem.
Most cons creak
A pleasurable drive, shared. A dream car and the bantering... 👌🏻 Thanks.
👍🏻👍🏻
Another great real world review. Thanks guys.
You’re most welcome, Antony
gorgeous, I loathe the asthetics of late model Porsche. This 911 is gorgeous.
Along with something like the GT2 RS, this is the model I would have from the current 911 range.
Glad to see you found some more narrow bridges to go over !!! 😱
You spotted it 😃
As ever chaps as superb video. I attended OPC Wilmslow last night for the launch of the new 911. What a piece of design and engineering that is! Possible review of it coming up???? 😁👍🏼
Hi Dibbs - yes we will be getting one in the next month
Delighted to see a proper Targa video, don't see many on these. Love the look of the Targa, I'd have one.
Two great mates reviewing amazing cars. Lots of laughs and so insightful. Top channel guys..
Paul Kippax Thanks, Paul
when a shield becomes a WEAPON!!..... I'm a huge fan of the 996 targa.. especially the very low production numbers on the 2004 model🔥... also fun fact I heard somewhere actually when the Targa was first introduced it was because rumor America was going to outlaw convertibles so this car what is not technically a convertible
also, I forgot to mention.. rear glass lifts (opens) on my favorite 996 model
great vídeo guys , as usual, keep them coming , greetings from Portugal
Just two lads talking Porsches, love it 👍🏼
Good stuff - glad you enjoyed it
Great honest review of an splendid piece of automotive art.
Spot on about the top. I actually like the 718 Spyder's top mechanism. You do it yourself! Less can go wrong when it's a manual top.
Nice review guys
When I was after my sub £13k Porsche I had a look at a 996 Targa with a broken roof, I soon changed my mind when the bill to fix it was going to be over £7,000!
I'll stick to my Cayman S thanks 😊
Lucky escape
@@TheCarGuysTV yes indeed it was, it also pushed me into my Cayman so double lucky! 😀
Why cannot Top Gear be you guys and seen through glass. Back to the good old days of motoring Tv
Another great review, both informative and entertaining. Thanks.😀😀😀
Great review, very comprehensive and a fair summary. Tks.
The real hidden gem is the Targa 4GTS 991.1 - since it has the last of the natural aspirated engines... And it was produced in much smaller quantities since Targa was not as appreciated as it is nowadays...
If you are using a lot of the steering wheel do you bang your fingers on the mode actuator? Looks like an unusual design oversight by Porsche...?
This is the car review that I expect from a Brit. Really enjoying it!
Would be nice if you could spec a carbon or body painted roof as its mechanical.
Great real-world coverage. I likewise would want the full-fruit Turbo S simply because it exists! Admittedly these new 911's have all the beans you'll ever need however.
I have a 981 gts....but...I would love to have that car in miami blue with those wheels.
Nice review Guys. Think you will find that there is one company in Germany that make the roof mechanisms for all cabriolets and convertibles irrespective of the manufacturer and have done for decades, so it should be perfectly reliable. BTW if you think that roof mech is heavy and cumbersome then you should check out the ones Mercedes use on the SL... 😀
Absolutely great video lads. You too are still making the best content on youtube. I loved it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Holy Sh**! When I came back from the training this evening I was listening to Jay Kay in the car :-D - I call that "Virtual Insanity" - The GTS Version of this car would be one of my favorites right now.
It's funny seeing my local area, Bournemouth and Poole, in a popular RUclips channel. Keep up the good work!
Get down there you slag! I’m laughing my ass off, my daughters asking “what’s so funny daddy?” Lol
Sport Response button should be re-named the Spinal Tap button, it goes to 11 (I agree with Jason).
Brilliant
no mention of how it drives with rear steer. really wish you would have spent a lot more time on the noise an buffeting aspect of the roof down experience. great video once again.
Great video guys still prefer traditional coupe maybe with sunroof
There just so big now. My slim 996 is smaller then the new Miata now. Thanks Guys.
Well done Guys!
I’ve always loved the Targa ever since Commando. “I let him go”
Remember when I said I’d kill you last...? I LIED!
Let off some steam Bennet
I eat Green Berets for breakfast. And right now, I'm VERY HUNGRY
Great video guys! Keep up the good work👍
Like nice glimpse over Seiko; and actually I like you do it in every review. Well done. Would you daily Targa GTS?
Yes, you'd easily daily a Targa GTS
Great video, think my favourite 911. Never thought about the roof, probably right so I think before buying would check out cost to repair. But great chemistry guys. Right amount of information in entertaining way. Shame one of you looks a bit like Mike Ca§hley won’t hold that against you.
If ever there was a reason to go on a diet... 😂
I really like that , I like the heritage of the targa, although this is the modern iteration of it, bigger heavier and more safety built in, it still looks the part, I also like the fact it still has the porsche wail , unlike the current M2, M3 and M4 which sound woeful for modern turbo engines and not forgetting the clarkson "pedal to the metal" quote from the Mercedes SLR to Oslo episode. 😉😉👍👍
It’s all in the details 😀
I still like the 2013 SLK 55 AMG with electrochromic roof glass better. A true hard top convertible.
I love porsha's they are great cars. I have a Cayman and I love it because it's a true mid engine I enjoy it very much. No its not as fast as some 911 but it handles amazing.
@Young Black Conservative for me yeah because of where I live I don't have a lot of stop and go driving it's all good for the most part I live in the country not a city and the roads here were made for a car like this. What a blast!
It's a beautiful Porsche. It reminds me of the 72' S Targa that I drove, which belonged to my brother. However, there are two things that I don't like about the spec in this Vlog. The lack of a manual gearbox. And, that turbo. God, I hate turbos. They're ruining F1 for me, and I think they should all be gathered up and thrown into the ocean. There. I feel better now.
As usual a fantastic video!! I really like the Targa. Beautiful design 😎
I love it, truly sexy targa and I never thought I’d say that
Great videos guys, enjoy your vlogs, more please!
More?
@@TheCarGuysTV for sure! More of the crack, more regular vlogs!
Great vid as usual, thanks. Yes that retractable glass roof does look a bit worrying for long term ownership.
Guys- about time you did a sit down with some dealers and talk about car prices now and the market trends ... please