Porsche 911 Targa 4S review with Tiff Needell | evo REVIEWS
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2014
- Tiff Needell reviews the Porsche 911 4S Targa, and finds out how well it matches up against previous 911 models.
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You don't buy 911 Targa because you want explicit performance. You buy it because how awesome it looks. When I was a kid I always loved old 911 Targas with this aluminium top. And when I saw that Porsche returned to it with this new design, I jizzed my pants.
This Porsche from design perspective is like 3 different cars - coupe, cabrio, hardtop... plus that something more... an X factor. And that makes it quite a deal.
+deXter2 For explicit performance buy 2015-Jaguar-F-Types-S-Coupe. And it looks awesome too.
+deXter2 The last good 911 targa was 964 there is no point to buy this one
+deXter2 AMEN to that.
+benzfen
I have a 1990 964 C-2 Targa and in my opinion, this is way too complicated. With the 964, it's two snaps and it's off, that's the way to go. Just fold it and stow it in the trunk. No weight increase other than the chassie stiffening Porsche did to compensate for the lose of the roof.
+deXter2 I have a 2015 targa 4 and it looks awesome when it opens
Let's be honest, if you're buying the Targa, you're buying it because of the style and design of the targa roof, and not for the open air performance. Otherwise, you would have gone for the 911 Cabriolet.
I think the cabriolet is hideous, so I would prefer the TARGA... but i prefer the coupes the most
Targa is hideous unless of course it's a 993. The 991 cab is amazing! Even nicer than the coupe, so there!
I bought my 991 Targa because of the heritage and the open air feeling. If you know how to drive a Targa, it's the best ever. And as it's a 3.8 GTS, it's rare. And it sounds quite nice. And it's not as huge as a two door Panamera. And it's kind of oldschool inside. 😊
Uncle Tiff is just the best
I had no idea he reviewed for evo! I was hoping that the Drive channel could get him on to review sometimes, bit I guess it would be a conflict of interests...
Really great review! Tiff doesn't do too many videos anymore but I really miss his reviews, they're always some of my favorites. Please more reviews from Mr. Needell!
Agreed
do u have the hots for tif?
Tiff chopped this one up analytically pretty well. Nice conclusion about the weight - make it 2S as it will be lighter :) Make the facelift 2S!
Foer Hoen ...yes.
Agreed...he is a class act and really knows his stuff
Tiff Needell!!! We missed you sir. Please come back more often!
Hats off to Porsche. They have a clue: They offer a stick shift manual and an old school Targa roof in a new iteration. I was starting to loose hope with all of the dumb PDK/paddle 911s. And the red car here is gorgeous. I love it. Tiff's British bias and nit-picky passive/aggressive whinging aside, I think this is an awesome car.
So agree on that.
Then you'd better jump in and grab one while you can, because stick shift manual is disappearing, even in Porsches. The playstation generation is now everybody under 50... Part of the issue, is it costs money to develop and produce a new manual that will handle the power, and more money to develop a twin clutch flappy paddle, and all that money has to come from somewhere... Personally, I have a lust for the GT2 version of the latest 911, but they don't make one yet, and it's rather looking like they're not going to...
Tiff is a snobbish twit., We all know the added weight causes issues, but the car is gorgeous, and that's why we have it. One of the most obnoxious, smug, self-satisfied reviews of anything I've see in a long time. Goofbye, TiffTwitt.
@@jonshepard85 LOL how hurt can you get?
How was he being passive aggressive? Was that just you getting angry because he didn't bum the car? Also Tiff has reviewed a lot of cars where the fuck is evidence of his British bias?
Sir Needell is a gem! Thank you EVO!
"aston martin v8 roadster. now that's a proper man's car" as he heel and toes into a corner like a SIR.
I love Tiff! :D
Tiff Needell is the best. we need him in the evo battles, again!
tiff and Chris Harris are the best for reviews
Great to see Tiff in this vid. I love how the new Targa looks, but think it's a 911 aimed strictly at those who care not a fig for how a car drives and are primarily concerned with how it looks (or makes them look). Perhaps all 911s are like that these days given that so many of them are automatics, but this one surely rules the clueless roost. Don't know why such a complex roof mechanism is necessary given the weight penalties (albeit it looks pretty cool in operation) and I don't know why it only comes in 4 wheel drive. I do know that the manual 991 Targa that Tiff drove is likely to be the rarest Porsche in existence.
Too bad I wasn't invited to this driving event. Outstanding car and Tiff is my favourite reviewer !
You weren't invited? Our best German freelance reviewer? Shame on you, Porsche!
Did you get your invitation to the German presentation in May? I didn't... yet… :/
I was booked for a GT3 test during this event, but that test was canceled two weeks earlier because Porsche is changing all 991 GT3 engines including those of the press cars ;)
Aww, I was waiting for you to put out a review for one of these. Hopefully you get your hands on one soon!
TheGetawayer Why are they changing the engines?
Reviewers are demanding a Targa 2S. Lighter and more fun.
Just watched this review again,an excellent one from our favourite ex-race car driver-now-hoonigan Tiff Needell ! It's hard to not love a work done by him
Great video Tiff. You tell us the positive and negative as it is. That is all we want. The plus is how you make us understand the feeling of car, something only a true driver can. Thanks.
Tiff's delivery is and always will be legendary! :)
I thoroughly enjoy your reviews Tiff, such enthusiasm! I have been watching you since I was a young boy in the 90s and I'm still a huge fan today!
TIFF Needell was the very first motoring journalist that exuded the passion for cars as I do at a young age. He has and still is number 1 in my book. He just LOVES DRIVING and that's what we all enjoy at the end of the day. Thanks EVO for bringing him into what was already my favorite motoring magazine/youtube team in EVO. Well Done
Tiff is one of the best
Unless he's reviewing an English car of course....
lynx tamer Almost all English reviewers are biased towards the cars made in their countries. It's normal :)
Krunal Rindani Jeremy will poften raise the hell out of borderline British cars you can't buy outside Britain (like Zondas) and then in the middle of his review the electrics go out and he can't start it.
K R You realise Porsche is German... right?! England and Germany don't have a great history of getting along, they get our praise because they make fantastic cars.
Glenn Havinoviski Zonda, borderline British?! 😂 WTF?!!!
Tiff is the best!
You just can't beat a review done by Tiff! More please!
Fantastic review! Nice to see Tiff doing proper reviews instead of those silly ones from fifth gear where he has 3 minutes to tell something about the car..
Awesome! Would like to see more of Tiff's reviews on EVO
Finally...a proper, old-school Tiff Needell car review that doesn't pander to an audience with zero attention span. Thanks for finally bringing back thoughtful commentary with clips that last more than half a second each. Of course, if he returned to his 1990s car review style (e.g. his review of the original Acura NSX), that would be even better.
This is honestly the only Porsche I could spend my own money on!
GT3RS. That is all.
Tiff is the biggest blessing to automotive journalism.
Nicely done Tiff- thank you ! I personally get it why a person would want a Targa. I think it great that Porsche has chosen to still offer such a model. I love the sound of that special exhaust !
This is one of the best reviews I saw in a really long time. More Tiff please !
Brilliant review by Tiff, aimed at those who enjoy driving and have a level of knowledge above non car enthusiasts. Also shows his understanding of the dynamics of the car.. Well done
The Targa is just the most beautiful car out there. So who cares if it weights 100kg more.
+Vega Lyra Sorry then the Porsche is not the car you...
that's what I said to your mamma
lars marten tbh I didn’t think it looked that great but today I saw one in person and damn it was gorgeous!
how nice it is to have Tiff doing a review again !!
Great stuff Tiff. I like how this is a more in-depth and somber view into a review than when its a Fifth Gear product. It doesnt feel "rushed" like the TV ones do. Hope to see more like this! :)
Clicked because of Tiff. Nothing more.
and not for the car? just the dude?
***** Yeah. Nothing wrong in liking men.
pavettto if a man likes another man, everything is wrong! It doesn't work 👉👈
Rottensteam What's wrong in it? Does it hurt your feelings to see some manly love? It works just as well as man loving a woman.
pavettto no it doesn't.
The rear windshield reminds me of an AMC pacer. I mean that as a compliment, both the 991 Targa and pacer are funky/cool.
Great video, Tiff! Excellent highlights and thoughtful criticisms. Keep up the good work.
I just realized, I miss Tiff Needel's reviews. He's still with 5th gear right? :D
Good to see tiff after a while. The masters opinions is highly valued by me. Thanks evo.
I have the turbo S and the targa 4s. both awesome machines and driver's cars, but there is something incredibly organically visceral about the targa 4s...natural aspiration and an engine that is working for a living, giving its all and making sure you can hear how committed it is to the task at hand.
Let's be honest, if you took a Targa, you want fresh air, not ultimate performance, so, the 4WD is a good choices: open road for summer, 4wd for winter, enough power and grip to enjoy very very quick driving and a unique design.....
Something about that Targa top that just pops! Probably my favourite model in the Porsche lineup! Oh and this was a AWESOME review!
I was more excited to see Tiff than the car. That guy is class
Fantastic review. Really tells about the car and how it drives in almost every way...unlike most car reviews
Love seeing this guy again
Tiff is a man with much presenting and driving experience, and you can tell. Excellent review - doesn't just focus on performance.
Tiff did an awesome job with this review. I like him better solo than on fifth gear,
Please tell me Tiff will be on EVO a bit more often.
Awesome having Tiff back. GJ EVO
F Type V8 for me. I'd get it just for the noise and the looks.
Always enjoy Tiff car videos, he is a proper manual gearbox driver. really talented driver and explains everything well.
Boy do I get happy when I see a car review done with a proper manual transmission. 7MT FTW !! Not in favour of the AWD or the PDK. Saps the fun and connection out of a car as great as the 911. Beautiful targa model, saw it at the Detroit Auto Show and was a showstopper. Love the way they did the targa top with that fancy roll bar thing.
I too am a romantic regarding the manuel tranmission, but 647killa, we better get used to the DSG/PDK´s, they are here to stay, and in not many years the manual is totally gone.
Anders Olsson I don't think it'll be totally gone, just reserved for specific models and cars. The days of MT Accords and Kia Souls, at least in the State, is probably close to an end, but I would guess Miatas, WRXs and other 20-30k dollar cars will still offer it for years to come.
Hey, I love the used market. I can afford to buy all my childhood cars now with less driver aids and s proper manual tranny. Who cares about 'that new car smell' and I will of course never give in to the whole dsg/pdk crap. I took a dsg equipped GTI for a week from my uncle's used car dealership. Boy was I bored to death flicking stupid buttons to change gears. I left it in auto most of the time and didn't even care for it on traffic. I drive a stick shift in heavy Toronto traffic everyday and it doesn't bother me. The manual tranny may be gone from the high end cars, but the cheaper cars like the miata, frs/brz, genesis coupe, focus st, fiesta st etc are more fin and involving to drive than any of these so called 'supercars' which are driven by people who can't even tell what's under the hood of their 'supercar.' If you stand for nothing, you will fall for everything.' BMW made a smart decision to offer north Americans with manual M5s and M6s. Our wallets are voting, so vote with your wallets.
If it's your weekend car than manual is fine. But if it's your only car it gets a bit tricky. If you drive a lot in traffic jams you need that auto/dual clutch. If you mostly drive outside big cities you can make it with manual. Often it's a necessity, not something you want but are forced to choose.
Cars are easy to drive now hydraulic clutches take as much effort as the gas pedal to press. I drive in heavy 401 east traffic in Toronto and have never missed an auto or asked for a DSG. Traffic is jusy a minor nuissance compared to all my other driving and the sacrifice of a manual ain't worth it. I drive a 2002 M3 and a 2000 328i both manual. I guess I'm not that lazy and lets face it, no one likes traffic even if u have an autonomous vehicle lol.
Nice car! Really like the way Tiff reviews his cars...
Always loved the Targas... they have a little extra, special charm to it.
Awesome review. I'm sold. Always loved the targa. First one was a 1973 911E white, tan plaid cloth. Cookie cutter wheels. I miss that car!
More videos from Tiff please, a proper drivers review!
Great to see Tiff Needell! Legend on the track and pure class off it! We want more Tiff! Would love to see a proper shake down of the new Audi S3....
Love Tiff. I've been missing that guy since Fifth Gear went MIA. Glad he's back on the scene.
Great review tiff, loads of detail on the different elements of the car!! This is especially relevant for those that don't know or have forgotten about Porsches and the way they do things. Ignore the haters.
Tiff is a Legend! So glad to see him here on Evo!
Tiff Needell + Italian roads + Tiff opinion about cars = perfect video. Pease keep doind it!!!!
Hmm it is too heavy and that roof mechanism should work while driving - but just today I saw one in black and subjective yes, but it looked really really good. Tiff is right about a RWD version of it - That would make sense to where most of these Targa´s will be sold. Even here in Germany people opting for a Targa will properly mostly use it in the summertime. IMO red is not the color for this model, it needs a more expensive expression to play with the Targa Metal Panel, From black over Metal Browns and Metal Grey´s and some of the toned down Blues - You do not buy this car with pure speed and agility in mind as first priorities - It´s just as much a luxury and sporty leisure statement made for where the sun is shining. I like the 991 Series in General - 911 have become more elegant than ever (not including the classics for their own beauty of time) and this Targa is perhaps the most beautiful of them all. Would I want´one, No not me, I would take a sports monster, a GT3, Turbo or GTS - But the Black Targa I Saw today on the roads of Berlin got my head turning twice and I was wondering why since it´s was "just" a 911 and we have pretty many of those in Berlin.
tiff is awesome, he knows just what car-enthusiasts want to hear and boy can he drive too!!
Tiff might be one of the original hoonigans. He complains about extra weight and AWD cause he wants a light RWD car he can slide around. If you don't know him then look up his career info on wiki and watch some now old 5th Gear episodes.
Love Tiff. So knowledgable and what a driver!
Fantastic review! Always love to hear what Tiff has to say.
Great review. Nice to see you back Tiff!
That targa bar reminds me of the first gen Rx-7's had as an option... even though they weren't true targas. gotta love it!
I almost fell out of my chair. He reviews a 911 targa and recommends an Aston Martin V8 roadster!
Nice to see a real capable driver informing us about cars.
That Targa roof pillar makes the car look so much more special than a usual 911. I think this one is the one that'll hold it's own longest. It's the best looking.
The Brits are always biased. The P1 always gets better ratings than the 918 even when they themselves get the 918 round a track quicker in their comparos.
Astralwurksdk That is nonsense, here in Britain we love German cars, practically everyones got one. I drive through a rich area to work and everyone drives a 911 or a Ferrari. The 918 has received great reviews from British motoring journalists, especially on Top Gear. But the P1 was faster in a straight line against the 918 and faster around the angalsy race track with EVO. That doesn't mean the 918 is a piece of shit. Allot of head to heads done by British journalists dose involve the German/Italian cars winning yet when a British car wins everyone accuses them of being bias. MT is biased towards American cars as they named a Camero as their car of the year.
Astralwurksdk Another salty American. Jethro Bovington, the BRITISH guy who tested the P1 AND the 918 Spyder at Anglesey for a track battle, complained about the lack of grip and the massive turbo lag of the P1 while praised the 918's clever torque vectoring and its rear-wheel-biased 4-wheel drive. I don't see how you would put this comment underneath this video as it's about a Porsche 911 Targa 4S, but yet all these false and ignorant nonsense I've seen against all the British car journalists are far too unnecessary and annoying to see these days. Even more hilarious is that 15 people liked your comment, I'm sure more people have seen that video of Jethro testing the P1 and the 918 than those who blatantly believe British just can't review cars and are always biased. One advice: stick to any of the American car journalists you find on RUclips, I promise you to have way less satisfaction watching their videos filled with trashy and unwanted music effects and silly jokes that just try way too hard, nonetheless their only word to describe good cars: awesome.
***** They named the camero car of the year because they are completely biased, even most Americans admit that. A BMW or Jag F-type would completely destroy a camero. And as for the price, you get what you pay for. And theres nothing wrong with turbos, they don't ruin the driving experience, they improve performance and are better for emissions. Everyone wins.
+Will James you clearly don't know what a camaro ZL1 is... it will destory any jaguar and even a 458 around a track. look it up. it creamed a GT-R as well.
Kenton V. Okay, I'll look it up then. Oh deer...
Camero ZL1 0-60 - 7.1 seconds
Jag F-type 0-60 - 5.7 seconds
Jag F-type Coupe R 0-60 3.4 seconds
Ferrari 458 0-60 - 3.0 seconds
Nissan GTR 0-60 - 4.7 seconds
Top Speed
Camero ZL1: 184mph
Jaguar F-type: 171mph
Jaguar F-type Coupe R: 186mph
Ferrari 458: 199mph
Nissan GTR: 195mph
Nurburgring
Camaro ZL1: 7: 41
Jaguar F-type Coupe R: 7:39
Ferrari 458: 7:38
Ferrari 458 Speciale 7:36
Nissan GTR 7:19
I couldn't find the lap time for the standard V6 F-type however MT tested the Coupe R so included that a well. I hope this ha been helpful.
enjoyable reviews as always, Tiff!
Well done Tiff, your best video for Evo yet!
Great to see you reviewing cars again!
Tiff great to have you back, my friend!
Great to see Tiff on RUclips. With him and Chris Harris, my car video needs are sorted.
Nice video from Tiff, he's not done much for Evo recently, would be good to see him on the weekly track battle too.
My opinion is WELCOME BACK MR. TIFF!!! Thank you for the revue.
lovely to see Mr Needell back on the scene ... keep up the good work EVO
ps.. ever considered a tv series ??
Great to see tiff he's a good 'un. We used to have a really old targa it was great when it started
My dad has one and it is the smoothest driving car I have ever been in
I would LOVE TO SEE the raw onboard shot from behind the driver. About 15 mins of ONLY raw onboard shots would really be awesome for the more enthusiast/nerdy group of watchers
Tiff reviewing for EVO?
Yep. He has been involved with EVO for some time. Was involved in ECoTY 2013 too. #Legend.
Although not as fast as the coupe, I would still go for this one, I love the looks.
I like when people say more about specs.. for example 0-60, braking test, long long it takes to open and close the roof.. I mean you can find those informations on the internet.. but it still makes review more full with informations
Great to see reviews from Tiff!
Great to see you Tif love your videos!
Tiff we miss You ! :(
I sort of kinda quite a lot hate the way this looks. In my opinion the 911 only looks good in hardtop form.
Other than that- awesome review Tiff, always love your reviews. So many automotive journalists are too afraid to say anything negative about a car- its refreshing to hear an honest opinion.
I relly like this new Targa style too, the actual csr was amazing too at Geneva in person. And i think its not a problem that you only can operate the roof while standing, with a 'real' targa roofed car you wouldnt take off the roof while moving on the road... So nice job Porsche! :) and of course good review evo :)
Always refreshing to see uncle Tiff in some b road action.
A historic piece of art, beautiful !
Good to see Tiff doing this review
One thing you have to think about that this roof design the first iteration. Porsche isn't going to perfect it and then release the design. The car would have to cost even more if they did that. As time goes on they will make it lighter, and will be able to make it open whilst driving. Hats off to Porsche for doing something original rather than doing the same idea over and over again.
But they are doing the same idea over and over again. The design on the 911 hasn't changed since the 60s.
Tejas Tasgaonkar
When did Jeremy Clarkson change his name to Tejas Tasgaonkar?
The favorite defence of Porsche fanboys. They immediately tell you to stop copying Clarkson
Tejas Tasgaonkar
It's true though, saying the 911 hasn't changed is nonsense. What's similarities does the 991 have with its 60's counterpart? A similar body shape, and the RR layout. That's about it.
Tejas Tasgaonkar It is called evolution. The design has changed quite a bit. The back isn't as steep, the car is wider and longer, and the headlights aren't as vertical. The are a number of other things but those are just a few. The idea is the same, yes. What is the point in making a design for one year and then moving on to a new one the next year. If everyone were to do that, cars would still be like they were in the 50's. The previous roof design pretty much reached its limits and so they are starting a new design and they will take that one to its limits and then move on. Evolution; it isn't just present in animals.
Tiff Needell. What a legend!
I love this guys reviews! THX
Tiff. You have the best reviews and you always make me smile. Thank you.
Great to see Tiff on EVO ....nice one Tiff !
The red color with black rims is so perfect. Looks like the old ones
cool to see tiff is back
Tuff Noodles is the best.
Love Tiff!!! Need more reviews from him!!
You know it's gonna be a good vid when Tiff stars
Just drove a 2015 4S Targa this past weekend for possible purchase. The wind noise is horrible. There is also resonating at times. Was very disappointed. Didn't mind the price, it just wasn't the car I thought it would be. Current ride is Porsche number 7, a 2013 Cab S