I am humbled that so many people have identified with this issue. I don't feel like I deserve to be the person presenting this. There are so many creators who have suffered so much more. I've updated the links in the description with Dr. K's creator program which can support certain creators with therapy options. I will continue to update this video and our resources on Discord with other therapy options. To everyone who has sent me a message - thank you. The scale of people affected is shocking. I promise I will keep working on this topic.
Language shapes how we view the world. Hearing someone else present things this well truly impacts my perspective and thinking in positive ways. Thank you, Devin!
I remember Esfand talking about how he has to look at his stream like a professional athlete looks at there likelihood. Be one injury away from it all being over. I see it here as sell and that is why I think you see the stream hours being so high because they feel they are just one moment away from it all being over.
Thanks for this video. It's EXTREMELY accurate. For several years I streamed 60-70 hours per week with no days off playing the same game. It takes a massive toll. I essentially had no life, zero free time, started to hate video games, unhappy, exhausted. Although in my specific situation I don't regret it, I can't stress how much of a difference it has made changing my schedule and what content I create. I realize not everyone can afford to do so, but to any broadcasters reading this: Seriously consider streaming less. Take 2 days off per week. IMO you'll be happier, and your streams will be better. Taking more time for yourself is extremely important, and that time is unlikely to make or break your success.
You are one of the most important voices on this issue and your validation of the video is so amazing, thank you! The livestreaming world is so lucky to have you.
Excellent video. I used to do streaming/RUclips full time around 6 years ago. In 2015 I switched to doing it as a part time hobby and I don't regret it at all. Having your sole income relying on always "being on" is a recipe for disaster.
Was a full-time streamer (did quite well financially, but was not popular) and it was the numbers game that stressed me out. Not so much finances, but things like average viewership going down or a less active community. And there's no avoiding it, you'll always have ups and downs with streaming. But it was something that really hurt my mental health and stressed me out a ton. There were times when I just felt like the biggest failure and hardly had motivation to go live. I never expected a dream job to be the most stressful one I've had. I did love it more than anything and plan to return when I can, but there's no denying how hard it was. Content creation is ridiculously time-consuming and difficult. The average person says things like "oh you just play video games and get paid, so its not a real job" but my "real" jobs were a cakewalk compared to this. Not enough people understand what goes into it or are willing to talk about it. I've often wondered if successful content creators were struggling when it came to things like losing viewership or the work load. Most people aren't going to let you see any of the stressful behind the scenes, so its hard to tell but its probably quite common. Thanks for touching on this subject, watched it all the way through.
I am 34 years old, been gaming for so long and the last 3 months I decided to work towards streaming regularly. I have become an affiliate and I stream to about 7-10 people regular (mostly friends and family). I just want to say this is the first video I've seen of yours and I am blown away by how well this video was made. The information was so helpful and so insightful. Gaming was always my expensive hobby (I like vanity items lol) and transitioning into a working hobby has definitely changed the feeling of it. I know I currently do not suffer or deal with any type of mental health issues but this has made me more perceptive in hopes of avoiding or catching whatever maybe come my way early. My big dream is to become a 1k - 3k concurrent viewership streamer eventually, but this has definitely made me want to take it at my own pace and play whatever I would want to play. If it does not happen, then it does not happen and I think it would be okay with it understand the toll it may take if I was unhappy with the path. Thank you for the video I would definitely send it to all my friends and fam.
A banger video as always. Very inciteful and informative. Thank you for hitting on these topics. I personally had transitioned from being a failure in broadcasting to recording audiobooks as a passion project that I had always wanted to do. The parasocial section really hit home as it is something I feel had an effect on me and still does in some way even having not broadcasted in >18mo. Keep it up.
Devin, I’ve been a full time guy on RUclips and twitch for years now. 1-3 uploaded videos a week, 40-50 hours a week live on twitch to an average of 150 or so viewers (200 if I play tarkov). In my first years I went over 230 days straight live for 7 hours per day on average plus a RUclips upload every 3 days. I started at 37 years of age. I’m 40 now and even having been through the ringer in prior jobs and gaining thick skin from prior work, the toll of what you described and how we all feel was spot on. I watched this together with my wife so that she could understand the gravity of the impact that twitch chat and the associated negativity can have. I stopped watching stats about a month ago and I’m significantly happier when I’m live but the depression, anxiety, and sleepless nights from being “on” for 5 hours+ every day has cost interpersonal relationships with IRL friends, family time with my 3 kids and my wife, etc in pursuit of a balance where I could slow down and still make the monetization. I have slowly reduced my live time and increased my RUclips quality/view counts, but your video nailed it. The strain of “just playing video games” as a broadcaster is so much more than what people see. I’m grateful that I can entertain others and be myself and make a living from it. I don’t want to do anything else, but I definitely need to do a better job diversifying away from just these 2 platforms and focus on trying to generate more while trying to get healthier.
thanks brother, I admire your sheer dedication to broadcasting and how much of it you've used for good - you are a paragon example of what people ought aspire to in the streaming world. I'm grateful to be your friend.
This seriously hits home, it's mentally draining worrying about competition and thinking your own content isn't good enough. You made such great points and it goes to show even the most successful streamers aren't happy regardless if they have clout or money. Laying here watching this video resonated with my life being a small streamer who has a decent viewership and then things happened and had to take a long hiatus break from streaming and lost all of it. Thank you for being so insightful and putting these points out there as we need to be better humans and support one another.
Not only have the frequent uploads been nice to see both content wise, and how much you're thriving and loving it, these topics I couldn't possibly have resonated more with. Especially when it comes to being a female broadcaster. As I continue to grow my brand and channel I keep considering going into Vtubing both for security purposes and so people would stop making comments on how I look or put me in uncomfortable positions on the daily. Just watching this video was both really heavy and sad, but at the same time weirdly gave a refreshing feeling of not being alone. Having this community and the resources available are incredibly nice to have, so really, thank you for all the time if you've put into this Devin, it's very much appreciated and I always look forward to the vids!
"There isn't a culture of (watching) VODs" - I for one watch VODs on twitch regularly, as many streamers I follow don't live in my timezone or produce content too fast for me to keep up (working + family) Great video, ManVsGame is a prominent figure in the twitch scene, who suffers greatly from the issues you brought forward. He's also pretty transparent about it.
I'm full time (not on twitch) and I don't see how this is "twitchs fault" because this is true on my platform also. The stress of this job and hours is kind of unreal. Still a dream job but it's a lot more than anyone would ever expect.
First of all, yes, I watched the whole way, including that 33-34 minute mark. I always do and never regret it here. You make undeniably important and incredibly useful content for anyone with even a fleeting interest in the content creation industry. Other than that, I just want to say thank you. The issue of mental health amongst creators is STILL not talked about enough. You do an amazing job in bringing light to these issues, and I feel like when you talk, people listen. Also, I personally have used RAD (found a therapist that was a good fit on the first attempt), and I ALWAYS recommend it to creators who are struggling.
I have been a long time fan and viewer. Watched from Twitch to now the content on RUclips. Currently at the 35:11 mark and posting a comment to mention how much I love and support your content. I always respect and appreciate your fair analytical breakdown of difficult topics that need to be discussed.
Sometimes it's hard to discern sincerety with content creators. I felt it with this vid. Thanks for bringing light to the unpopular and crucial topics.
Full-time creator here. And you mention the social media aspect of this and it's a HUGE thing. We are our own PR person and interacting with the community is a big deal. Sure Rogan can post and walk away, but 99% of us can't afford to ignore the audience. I generally love responding to comments and posts etc. but you do run into those ultra trolls who tear you down as hard as they can and even ignoring that consumes a big amount of my daily energy. Great vid! Thanks.
It does feel like Twitch needs to change many things about the way it works and the feel of "need" to keep streaming or else you will drown. On the other hand, RUclips works in a similar way where you need to keep uploading videos or else Algorithm will punish you for not grinding out the uploads.
Since engagement pays more (learnt that from your other videos), let me just leave comment for you, Devin. Been following your videos (and streams) for quite some time and never dissapointed. Thank you for creating it.
Thank you for sharing this. This is super important for people unaware of the all the bad things attached to streaming since most people focus on "you play video games for a living". As for my own story, I'm someone who streamed on Twitch recently for 3 years (2017-2020) only to get to 72 average viewers because they plateaued out. The amount of mental stress I had during the last few months of streaming was unreal. Everyday in my head was the thoughts of "Im not good enough to get partner" "Im wasting my time trying to be a content creator" "Why would anyone want to watch me over this person" and so on. I quit streaming at the end of 2020 because it was just too mentally exhausting constantly being stuck at 72 viewers and then also having other creators within the same genre as me with bigger communities tell me I'm not good enough or that Im nothing compared to them and a number of other mental reasons. This was in the 1v4 Asym games genre btw for context, so games like Dead by Daylight.
This hits home.. literally had to explain to my community recently that I couldn't keep up what I was doing, I had to switch things up... Thank you so much Devin for making more people aware of these issues streamers are facing.
This is absolutely one of the most important topics that too few people have spoken on and it is so pertinent right now. I see so many creators around me 'taking time out' so it's great to see this discussed in such an open and careful manner. Thank you for addressing this! I would love to see a video on Parasocial Relationships and how to build healthy boundaries in online communities. It is THE thing as a small creator I have struggled with the most. The 'ownership' of viewers and community members of a content creator and the emotional blackmail that can transpire as a result of that instance of intimacy or demand of attention outside of being 'live'. I shared it in my discord before the call to action in the hope it helps someone. Thanks again, Devin!
I am very happy that you posted this video today on twitter since I did not see it yet. This is a topic I bring up constantly with my friends whenever they downplay a streamer's job or treat them inhuman. Hell, even when I was personally streaming for 3 months, 5 times a week for only 4-5 hours a day the negativity and sexual comments (since I was a female streamer with a webcam with only 30 viewers average!!) were mindblowing. I cannot imagine what these bigger streamers go through and I wish we would be more kind and understanding to each other. I have seen many toxic trends develop over my years on twitch with mostly annoying chat comments such as "who asked" "donowall" "stunlocked" etc. While I get the humor behind it, a joke is only funny the first few times, not when 2000+ people spam it in the chat at the same time several times a day. I could go on typing about this but yeah... good video Nash
The fact that you teared up and really felt horrible about the para-social relationship, harassment and stalking. Thank you for being you and having the balls to speak about it. Thank you for the video. Im in the mental health burn out as well and will be taking a break from twitch very soon. I hope that I can come back but I also don't wanna push either. Idk I will think it through. and get myself in a better place soon.
Checking in from the 30 minute call out. At one year in as a small streamer (30 avg) your videos are incredibly insightful. I feel they get me thinking about streaming in ways that no other creators have. Thank you for shedding light on this, issue.
Listening while I workout. 33 minutes in. I’m a recently gone full time streamer/content creator on twitch and I’m averaging about 200 hours a month. Things like this help smaller creators such as myself to grow and look at things differently. Been following Devin for a while and all the videos are helpful. During the acti blizz allegations I left my mainstay game CoD warzone and saw my support and viewership drop pretty hard and have struggled to find something since. I feel to be in a rut of not knowing what or how to grow out of this. Thanks Devin
As a content creator who talks A LOT about mental health, thank you so much for this video. This is a topic that is needing to be talked about SO MUCH and you did a phenomenal job. When I watch your videos the last thing I expect to do is tear up, but talking about harassment had me almost in tears because as a female presenting individual I felt so seen. Thank you so much for talking about this.
Hey, Devin, Realy apretiate this video. Usualy just lurking and watching in the background, but this hit a bit differently. I've been working in game dev for about 5 years now in different studios and can relate to working extended hours for something I'm passionate about. Your advice about divercifying, finding other passions is great and will try to incorporate some of it moving onward. Thanks again!
I've been watching every upload on your channel since I found it last year and I've never taken the time yet to thank you for all the value you've provided to me! I work full time but spent my free time learning how to stream and as of last year you've helped me take my first steps into making gaming reviews on RUclips! Before your channel I've never been introduced to the business side of these platforms and people, but you've not only introduced me to it, but you've made it digestible, and most of all entertaining! THANK YOU DEVIN NASH.
Love this video and although I don’t deal with some of the stuff you mentioned, I see these issues all the time. I’ve shared this in my discord for others to see and I encourage everyone to share this if possible👍🏻
Im a 35 minute commenter! I'm not going to lie, I didnt know you you were a month ago. Now I am so glad I do. I love info dumping and trying to understand things through data and metrics. Im now trying to go through all your content to watch all your streamer and content creator vids (which ive noticed it most of them LUL) and watching all of them. Thank you so much for teaching us about the IMPORTANT things in this space and being completely blunt and honest.
this video actually got to me emotionally. As a much older streamer ('I.m 62) who has streamed for now over 7 years i have recently been struggling more with mental helath issues. I watched this from start to finsh and actually drug a shortcut of it to my desktop for replay. I am not some college co ed or 20 something i am a IT professiional with a love of gaming but i struggle now to go live and feel like im letting myslef nad my viewers down. thank you for creating this topic Devin. Thank you.
The magnitude of these problems, and the cost it has on the creators cannot be overstated. Glad you are taking the time to draw more attention to it, even if there aren't currently a lot of great solutions.
Love your videos Devin! As someone who was a social media coordinator for businesses before I tried out content creating for myself. It's nice to find a channel that breaks down analytics, discusses the business side, and covers mental health issues. I found your channel within the last two months and I love to sprinkle your videos in with my regular stream of content I consume.
Thank you sir. Ive been on Twitch for 6 years and have gone through the ups and downs and watched it all change. in a two week time My record is 1 x 36hr, 2 x 28hr, 2 x 25hr, 2 x 24 hour, a 17 hr and a 13 hr stream back when you couldn't sleep on stream and no subathon gimmie a sub for 5 minutes time BS. ive gone through the whole spectrum of mental stress that come with attempting to do this full time. I love it but i had to make changes for my own health and sanity. And now I'm about to begin, after this break i'm taking, diversifying to youtube and tiktok thanks to your videos, wish i had done it years ago. thank so much for your content! Much Love
I made it through! When I approached streaming 10 months ago, I was very aware of burnout, and I definitely wanted to do it in a way where I wouldn't get sick of it. I'm approaching streaming as part time, however, I'm teaching myself different skills to diversify to different types of content, not just streaming, and it seems to be working. I'm the type of person who becomes fixated on something, put my heart and soul into it, and then become burnt out on it in a month or two. Keep up the good work!
Incredible video. More people need to consider these things before they commit themselves to streaming as a career, or before they judge a person whose career is based around streaming.
The young people starting out doing this do not realize the consequences of their choice. It’ll happen over and over, as the current ones grow and become sick of it and scale back, there’s always new young kids who think it won’t happen to them waiting to take those viewers. It happens in a lot of other industries too.
Hi Devin, a comment on the 34 minute mark, I do listen to your videos and you are a BIG help because i'm a rookie streamer and a lot of the problems you bring up are 100% true all of them, this is not only good creators advice, this is good life advice in general. Loved it. Keep it up man, please keep it up. And you helped me so much, soon there will be more of me here on YT and other platforms, not because money or fame or something else, because I like doing it, the passion to do such things did died, but you helped me reignite this inside. You prolly wont see much of me because Im VERY small on the internet but just know that you helped someone get back in the saddle.
I don't really comment on youtube vids but this one is so important. So many people think streaming is an easy job and ignore/are unaware of the mental health issues most streamers have at one point or another. It's actually so sad to be watching a stream and see some of the comments people make just because it's anonymous. People in general need to be nicer to people :(
I know im a little late to the party, but i absolutely loved this video. I really like the fact that you are so into mental awareness because it is absolutely a major issue. So many people focus on likes, views, follows, subs, that just specifically the numbers alone is cause enough of actual depression. Then, there is the point of comparing yourself to others. That also is incredibly self damning that it is its own issue. More streamers or even people that go off of the social media platform looking at numbers need to see this video. To me, mental health awareness is incredibly important and needs more light cast on it. So thank you for doing so and making this full video.
Great video. I've been following your content for a while and decided pretty early on to not make Twitch my main focus. Even keeping my stream time relatively low compared to the streamers used as examples in this video, I'm always afraid of burn out and take a vacation once every 3 months (where I still end up streaming.... :x) Glad to have this out here as something that can be immediately shared when the topic comes up. Banger video.
Still here at the 35:30 mark! The whole thing about streaming one game in order to grow is a major identity issue that I deal with. I initially wanted to be a variety streamer who plays what I want most of the time. I've been told "Choose one game or else growth will be too hard to gain" or "People don't want to watch variety streamers. You've got to find a niche (Ironic) and stay there." This is probably the only issue I've had so far on Twitch. I've streamed ESO for 2 months and GRINDED until I just didn't want to do that anymore. I just recently changed to a Genre System where I stream games within 1 or 2 different genres and have seen success with both methods but the fulfillment factor is lacking. What I plan on doing is doing my variety streams on RUclips as a testing ground, and then stick to my current schedule on Twitch to see what results are received. Either way, great content as always Mr. Nash!
Devin, THANK you for doing what you do brother, you are changing lives and TRULY helping people through education. Every time I watch one of your videos it helps me realize what I need to change to become more successful and happy. Totally resonate as a creator with this one. Thank you for providing people with the resources to succeed in this industry, and in LIFE!! You are a legend my dude. Thank you for everything man. PS - ALWAYS watching until the end and sharing with others!
I did indeed watch well past the 33 minute mark and I usually never comment but I did want to say that I really love your content. I'm glad you talk about these things because even though I am not a content creator nor do I want to be (good old childhood dreams of being a creator are long gone), I absolutely love learning about people, psychology, and dabbling in a bit of the business side of it too. Your channel is like the ultimate place for the business and psychology parts and I really like that connection because while I think Dr. K is a very powerful figure in the industry for learning about the streamers, it doesn't teach me a lot about the objective background as to how the cogs of the machine work. It rather teaches me how someone thinks that the cogs work. And from the perspective of someone is a fan of few content creators, but am big fans of those creators, putting all of the business stuff in perspective to how people I watch hours and hours of content from actually really helps me understand what you're talking about in a more human way. If these talks were the same thing but about people I just had no idea even existed and ran companies I've never been interested in, I would lack that in depth perspective of just how prevalent the things you discuss are. So yeah that's my two cents rant-esque thing. Once again, I love your content and am all for your videos. I must admit, a fantastic watch to throw on and learn about the industry while getting my home workout grind on. Cheers!
Thanks so much for making this video Devin! I'm a small streamer and content creator. You eloquently and concisely outlined so many problems I've witnessed for my fellow streamers, especially my female presenting comrades. Appreciate you being so outspoken about mental health. Thanks for using your platform to fight the good fight :-)
This is a very good compilation. I've read discussions of pretty much all the individual topics here on other social media, so none of this was new to me, but my learning on these topics took place mostly after bad things happened to streamers and people started discussing it, over a few years. It would've saved a lot of time if I'd just had access to a clear, concise summary like this, and potentially some of these bad things could have been avoided or at least alleviated if more people were aware of these issues. About VTubers, I'd like to briefly mention two points. First, I agree VTubing is a great trend and a great aid to privacy, and can make stalking much more difficult. It's sadly not a perfect defense, though, as one of the bigger VTubers I watched was forced to graduate (their term for retiring/quitting) due to IRL stalking earlier this year. Second, and this is just a theory of mine not anything established, is the use of an anime or fantasy type of image to represent yourself could make it easier for viewers to forget the streamer is a real person. Their viewers may need to be reminded more often that there is a real person behind the avatar, and to act accordingly. I think the pros of VTubing still outweigh the cons by quite a bit, though.
I’ve watched the whole video up to 34 minutes, subscribed and liked this video and that doesn’t express just how relevant and amazing this video is. Absolutely mind blowing points that people don’t talk about at all. Kudos to you
This is a great video Devin. I’ve had my own ups and downs from doing content creation as a career over the past few years and I think this video will help a lot of people!
This a great video being a small streamer and being a veteran who suffers from mental issues awareness is key. I think this was definitely a need for not only streamers, but for a lot of folks to check their mental health. For me streamer is more of an escape from my mental anguish, but it definitely can be a weight on folks who just don't acknowledge it. I will definitely talk and share this on my stream tonight for all of my fellow streamers and friends just to make sure they are self aware of their mental health.
I can't click off your videos. Once they start I'm hooked to the end. Somehow you always post a video about what I've been thinking about every time. I've recently experienced a mental break that just tanked my motivation and it has taken me 2 weeks to get back on track. Videos about this subject help enormously just from a point of validation for people who are suffering.
Fantastic video. You describe so perfectly so much of what I have thought about and experienced over the last 3-4 years I have been running my channel as my full-time job. I have juggled full-time RUclips and Twitch, and now I'm several years in the idea of full-time streaming (even doing a "sensible" amount of live hours/days a week) is just something that does not appeal to me at all. I'd much rather be running my brand as a business and have my time divided up between making RUclips content, maybe doing one stream a week and spending the rest of my time working on other business interests. I can understand going crazy with the hours if you are a massive streamer, if you can go nuts and have no life for a year and make insane money, then you can duck out early and go and use that money on other less crazy business ideas that are more sustainable long-term. But doing that year on year out is so deeply unhealthy. I loathe the unhealthy lifestyle that the "full-time streamer" job promotes, both mentally and physically.
There was an art project in the late 90's called "Quiet: We Live in Public" that was touched upon in the documentary called "We Live in Public". In the art project, 100 artists were placed in a facility to live for a set period of time with all of their movements being recorded and broadcasted live. This was before live streaming was a thing. Many of the participants had mental breaks and I feel that art project and the documentary are extremely relevant to the current age of live streaming that we are in now.
Not only I made it until the very end, I actually watched it on my stream and had a discussion with my chat as you were making some very VERY good points! It was worth for me to watch every single min. of it, because all of what you said was so freaking true and I could relate to like 80% of the stuff! Amazing video, Devin! Thank you for making it and I'm looking forward for your next one!
Thank you Devin. This is such an important issue. I noticed some of these trends and mental states you spoke of in myself. It was super destructive and it nearly ruined my life and my passion for games. I recently decided to seek medical professionals and I’m finally getting better. Gamers, I know you wouldn’t want to see someone you like going through this. Make sure that you know you are not alone. That there are places that you can turn to when things get rough. When you feel your chest constrict and your stomach turn to lead. When you feel that you’re not even worth the air you breathe or that no one would care if you disappeared. When you feel like there is no escape. Remember: You. Are. Not. Alone. Seek the help you need. Don’t brush it off.
Thank you so much for making this video, Devin. I am set to come back after being out for 3 months from burnout due to many of the things you mentioned in the video. And I am super small, I cannot imagine what the big streamers must be going through. It's so horrible that some will "eventually" have something horrible happen to them and that is so terrible. The amount of pressure must be beyond unbearable. But your video is super important and I am definitely sharing it. I will also check RAD as I am huge for mental health advocacy. I just started going to therapy and you are right...it is a huge resource that everyone should have access too. Thank you good sir for this.
Definitely something that needs awareness. Great video. In watching streaming over the years, various streamers and seeing how they mentally are impacted. One of the things I avoid doing is ever bringing that up. I try to only give back positive feedback because the power of negativity is so strong. I remember a streamer who got hit with the 'you seem tired', 'are you ok' comments which while are genuine concerns from a viewer, come back as confirmation to the streamer that things aren't ok, and end up being a negative experience for them. "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" would go a long way in this. But even then people need to think through what they are going to say, how it might affect the other person. This is true in face to face, and should be applied when your behind a keyboard. It's definitely a difficult topic and awareness is really the first step toward finding a better middle ground. Diversify is an excellent suggestion, as not having that one basket full of eggs that if you stop sitting on for even a day might cause huge losses, would suck. Anxiety from this comes at all levels when your paycheck is tied to one source. Everyone with a job and bills will have this to some degree for sure. But when you are the boss, and you are the job, and you are the worker and all the things, that is magnified so much more. I would add a recommendation, for the content creator. Focus on the positives you do get, save them, have them somewhere that you can look at them and get the boost they will provide. This could be direct praise, or a comment where you made someone's day. Having that to look at, reflect upon, will help reinforce the positives. But it has to be an active thing, our brain is great at storing memories tied to negativity, as you said, so actively finding and reflecting on the positive could be good.
Here still at 35 mins! I cannot express how grateful I am you continue to make these videos for us for absolutely free. I can tell you genuinely care about people. Especially when talking about point #4 (stalking/harassing/etc/) as a female streamer I am glad someone understands and supports us. Keep up the good work it really makes a difference in people's lives.
This video validates the Break and Intermission scenes I created for my stream(s). I stream for an hour and a half, then, on stream, I take a 15 minute break; the scene has a 15 minute timer. Then I stream for another hour and a half. The Intermission scene has a 30 minute timer; I stream for two hours, Intermission, stream for two more hours. !health; I do this to encourage not only healthy streaming, but also healthy spectating.
Devin, I'm not a streamer, but do self publish fiction books, and just wanted to say your content is much more widely applicable than just streaming, love watching you. Your comments on 1 negative comment out of 100 is exactly how I feel about negative reviews on amazon.
Huge fan of your videos; from the way they are structured and how well thought out they are. And for every point you listed in this video, our heart became heavier because its extremely relatable and we've witnessed our fellow content creator friends start to neglect their physical and mental health. So not only does this resonate, it validates, and brings awareness to something that is often times overlooked, downplayed, or even encouraged [the negligence of one's self when in the creator space]. Something else you mentioned in another video has also stuck with us too- the concept of setting up multiple pillars of success [diversification] as a creator so that you aren't hyperfocused on an avenue that isn't doing to well at that given time. HOWEVER; we feel this can also be applied to life itself. We encourage our friends to think of the future a bit, rather than chasing numbers in the now. What steps are they taking to ensure they are taking care of their future self? This helps them take a step back and look at a bigger picture - one where they can start taking the steps towards investing in a future where there's passive income/growth and they can still do what they love because they want to- not because they feel like they have to. Often times, we've witness hustled culture encourage people to monetize EVERYTHING they learn / or skill they have acquired. And thats a great thing, to do what you love as a career! But not if its at the expense of your happiness and health. We're a shy person, but we really just wanted to thank you so much for all the videos you've created. Much love to you! EDIT: adding [diversification] to second paragraph.
Watched this video straight through, initially intending to just watch it in parts over the evening. I appreciate the bulleted approach to these topics you go over and today's overall theme is a very important one for me. Thanks for doing these, Devin. And a thank you to the community surrounding and supporting these topics on this channel.
Great video. Can definitely see myself in this! One thing that I'd like to add is that, as a broadcaster, it can feel oddly difficult to make new friendships because you often feel like people aren't genuinly interested in you as a person but more your follower count. It feels isolating and makes the broadcaster reject potention new great genuine friendships
Despite intellectually knowing that streaming is a lot of stressful work, as a casual viewer it's easy to forget. I'm glad to be reminded of all the shit that everyone who puts themselves out there is dealing with. Thanks for making this vid!
Been on the platform for 8 years and have regularly talked about and discussed very similar things throughout especially the most recent years with my smol community. Love the push into RUclips and all of the insight here, as well as in your Discord. Keep doing you're thing and have a great rest of your day and phenomenal rest of your week!
nearly a year later and i am watching this again, going through a bit of a "burnout"/feeling lost.... while we no longer stream, i definitely still feel like we both feel this in general content creation. Thanks again for making this video, it really does give insight to the fact that we are NOT alone.
That qoute it's real hard. As a family man, retail worker, content creator seeing the world wrought in the despair it currently is (in any facet we magnify) it surely gives hope at minimum
Thank you for making this video. Mental health issues need more of a focus and resources to get everyone understanding and on the same page. Environment and context play a huge role and that means the platforms have a responsibility to ensure healthy interactions and healthy fandom. I'm looking for resources on how to nurture healthy community. The question of "What does a healthy community look like?" should also be explored more. Much love to everyone here!
Damn, this video made me respect Devin even more than I did before. I feel like he is the same type of person in the twitch community like Dr.K is. In the sense of that he knows so much about twitch and how it works that if he had a even bigger platform then literally everyone would benefit from it. He goes in such depth in the way he talks about topics but explains it in such a simple way that you don't have to be as smart as him to understand everything. Dr.K just does this more focused on the users of twitch and how to help them when Devin knows more about the statistics, meta and culture of twitch. I just hope this gets more awareness as I think it will if some big streamers will react and give their opinion on this which will again help everyone. Thank you for making this. I feel like you are one of the only people on twitch who has the actual interest and discipline to work on one video for over a month to give valuable information.
Awesome stuff Devin! I think most of us can relate. Even as a very small YT creator and previously a very brief twitch streamer I feel a lot of the pressures that you bring up. I can't put that much time into this right now because obviously at my size I don't make any money off of content creation and I have a very busy day job, but in order to grow I feel like I need to be creating all of the time. When I can't be creating, I feel like I have to be thinking about creating and coming up with strategies/plans in order to grow. It's mentally exhausting and that's as a guy who's doing peanuts compared to large (and small) creators who do this full time. I'm very blessed to have a well paying job that allows me to take care of my family while I try to work on content creation. I'm also someone who discounted how hard all of this was before I did it. I'm certainly guilty in the past of thinking "I wish I could just play games all day and get rich". I was smart enough to know that only applied to a small percentage of creators, but I still thought of it as a low effort job and boy was I mistaken. People just don't get it though unless they've done it. And I get it, most of us judge situations unfairly until we've been in that situation ourselves. One of the first videos I ever made was a funny short about the struggle to post content on all social media outlets and still get 0 views. Some guy on Reddit responded and chastised me for thinking streaming was harder than working in a coal mine. LOL. I certainly never made that comparison myself, and I don't believe it's true either. Some people just want to assume that we're all lazy and taking the easy way. Everyone has reasons to complain sometimes, even the people at the top of the world. If only the person who had it the "worst" was allowed to complain, there'd only be one complainer at a time, and that would be subjective. Let's open our minds to other people's struggles and try to empathize. Good day!
Not a broadcaster, but have been struggling with mental health issues for the last 5 years. The whole thing about people assuming you can't be struggling, unhappy or even suicidal because you're successful in your work is so important to keep bringing up, since it makes it even more difficult for people to admit to themselves and others that they are in fact struggling.
I think the inception of Twitch prime has had a huge impact on the “always on” mentality of Twitch. A regular sub is set to recur and people can choose to cancel. With prime if you don’t stream you don’t generate new prime subs, if last month you did stream that day you will lose however many you gained and it’s like that forever. If you’re gaining 100 primes a day and streaming 7 days a week then how the hell can you rationalise a switch to a permanent 4 or 5 day week? Or taking a week off? Regular subs tend to recur a lot more, very hard core viewers spend the prime token with you each month but most are impulse uses and if you aren’t live, you aren’t getting them. This to me has been the single biggest change to twitch in the 6 or so years I’ve been a partner. Twitch don’t want to encourage the use of prime by allowing an option to let it reoccur with your favourite streamer and so people feel the pressure to at least do the same as last month or more, every month forever!
Super grateful you posted this. With the pandemic, I definitely began watching more twitch. I want to support the creators I follow, and having clear and direct suggestions towards that is awesome. Thank you so much!
Stuck through the whole thing. Thank you for making this video. I thoroughly enjoyed your candor to this subject. You talk about broadcasters putting in # of hours for content creation. You mention the hours tallied when LIVE, but I would argue that the time committed while OFFLINE is so much more an equal factor. All the work that no one sees, that goes unnoticed to the audience. It's not just a drop in a bucket. The vast majority of creators are one person shows and especially smaller creators who probably work real jobs in whatever other free time they have available (bills to pay). As much as I would want to diversify my content, it sounds more and more like a bigger time sink. Hearing this affects me negatively, so much so that I have to attach content creation as a hobby rather than a revenue generator - this for the balance of work/life until the situation or circumstances deem otherwise. I would never want what I work on as a labor of love to my free time to then turn into something that's just going to bite me back in the butt for putting too much time in. I agree that less is more when it comes to Twitch and that other platforms are the answer. I would love to see more information for smaller & mid-level creators (partnered or not) and how to navigate this medium that is ever-changing and uncharted. What steps to take and when to take them? I would appreciate more specific examples to your bullets and less broad strokes when communicating your ideas. I find you engaging and would love it if you fleshed things out more. Please this video deserves a way better thumbnail. Should've subbed sooner. I'm subbed now. Only watched 3 your videos. Thank you for being a gift to the broadcast community 💜
Thanks for all the great videos Devin. Every vid you have posted, that I've watched, I've watched to the end. I'm a beginning streamer on FB, and appreciate all the advice and guidance you offer.
This video is so on point, about everything on any social media, and I keep telling people this, but now I can show them this video, since you said way better then I would ever do, but what you say in this video is what is in my head, so thank you Devin, so saying it so well. I hope everyone in the world sees this and learns from it as well. Again thank you making this.
Amazing video Devin. So much covered here that's all so so important for people to realise. The argument "you just play games woe is you" is one of the most frustrating things to hear people go through.
Thanks for the amazing video. I watch most of your videos and Inwatch them all the way through. A video from you is my time in the week to slow down and take in some valuable information. Keep up the great work!
My streaming history was EFT SOLID for a month or two, built up like 15 regulars. Swapped to MTGA, reset viewers, played solid for a month or so and got back up to 15. Swapped to VR and random games and tanked viewers to nothing. Feels bad man, but hey I rather play what I'm feeling vs feeling like I have to play something. I know consistency is good for growth, but I know I cant do that.
35 minutes in and I am glad to know more about the risk(s) of "going pro.". I just started streaming in May, but learnt a hard lesson on the topic of "not streaming what I like". Tldr; I streamed Apex(the most popular in-demand games) for 100 hours in August, but only clocked an average 1.4 viewers. But when I switched up the games, and plugged in an old game like Sims 3, I got a peak of 10 viewers. Now playing FFXIV with 4-5 viewer average and might dive into SWTOR soon--also no longer streaming 5 nights a week.
Thank you so much for this talk. This one hit hard, not really talked about. It got a bit personal for me honestly, Years ago I used to be a charity streamer for Rise Above The Disorder and it was going pretty good, but suddenly I was just cut from the team with no feedback onto what the reason was. No conversation whatsoever, just “oh we can’t have you streaming on here anymore. Sorry.” Streaming on their channel - I was so excited for. To represent the team… I was on for a good month and they loved me - and then they cut me. I felt expendable and I didn’t feel good (that was on me for that reaction) I try not to have anything against them. What they are doing for people is really good and I’m happy for it. I just hope these days anyone streaming for them on their channel is treated in a way that their mental health is taken care of as well and not discarded - and in the end feeling expendable. Also, what you said about VTubing supports what I’m going through right now. I used to be a streamer with a face cam but I genuinely enjoy getting into a sort of character when I go on. I feel I can get away with some things (not in a bad way) and it has been a very enjoyable experience. Heh, if anyone read all of this, thank you for your time and sharing this experience with me. Cheers Devin. I love every single bit of knowledge you drop and take immense value from it all.
I watched the whole thing and I'll be recommending this to my peeps on Discord. Right now I'm working on a show and I've been thinking "I should've had this part done two days ago, damn!". So you mentioning that you were working on the video for a month to give us the best work possible was really important.
Still here and still listening haha! Incredibly valuable video. As a small full time (sort of) streamer who has been losing concurrents by the huindreds due to Among us dying- it's great to know that my feelings are valid and shared by others.
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is a good read for anyone who desires quality and creating good content. If a streamer wants to have an idea what mind numbing work is, the recommendation I have is to spend 8 hours in a factory. You have to maintain a schedule by getting into work at the time you are assigned, even showing up a little early (I’ve been guilty of this late arrival to my job because I am not used to the hours involved). Some of the full time full employees work 12 hour shifts at the factory I work at because they don’t want to work on the weekends. It is totally doable, but it takes effort and preparation for five days of constant hammering. You don’t always have the same things happen in the same order because the work goes through stages. Any problem with the hardware is taken care of manually.
I streamed Monster Hunter World and only that for years, capped out at about 300 average viewers a stream for several months which I was very happy about. Decided to play some other games for a bit and my viewership crashed to about 20 to 30 average viewers. I started thinking awful things about myself all day every day, so I took about 6 months off and ruined everything I had built. It's a stressful feeling that has been years in the making for me to recover from, and I wasn't even a big streamer. Can't imagine the stress of being at the top.
I made it to that 33 min mark. Your videos are the only videos I care to watch that are longer than 10 or 20 minutes. I think these discussions/topics are like a broadcaster "how to" type of podcast/video. I appreciate you and these videos. It's helping me prep and helping me mentally. Thank you.
Huge thanks for making this video and shining a light on mental health in streaming. Lots of folks, myself included, have hid from their mental health issues by exclusively focusing on making new content. Took me about two years to get back to streaming/making videos consistently again. Still haven't gotten things fully in order, but I'm happier. One day at a time, folks. Share your experiences... it's how we grow and learn.
Love your content as always! Really major issue being discussed here. Do you think running your online content like a regular workplace and having 3 or 4 people who all make youtube content and all take turns ie shifts streaming for the channel would help combat a lot of these issues? That way if your running a small team you can all have holidays and sensible working hours?
I have watched almost every single one of your videos to completion You have absolutely shaped the way I think about content creation and even life. My journey from League self-improvement videos into content creation mirrors yours and makes me stoked to see all of the things that you do that I will at some point. Thank you Devin. Hearing your messages at the end for people who make it to the end is really cool, thank you.
Hearing Devin start yelling is the point that the whole channel comes to. "Im so tired of people dogging on Broadcasters for playing video games" Hell yeah my dude! This passion is amazing.
I am humbled that so many people have identified with this issue. I don't feel like I deserve to be the person presenting this. There are so many creators who have suffered so much more. I've updated the links in the description with Dr. K's creator program which can support certain creators with therapy options. I will continue to update this video and our resources on Discord with other therapy options. To everyone who has sent me a message - thank you. The scale of people affected is shocking. I promise I will keep working on this topic.
Sensei devin has spoken
Your channel is my religion! I always watch your videos to the end but never comment.
Language shapes how we view the world. Hearing someone else present things this well truly impacts my perspective and thinking in positive ways. Thank you, Devin!
I remember Esfand talking about how he has to look at his stream like a professional athlete looks at there likelihood. Be one injury away from it all being over. I see it here as sell and that is why I think you see the stream hours being so high because they feel they are just one moment away from it all being over.
Devin, dont you contribute to the mental health issues of youtubers by criticising them the way you do? Youre part of the problem?
Thanks for this video. It's EXTREMELY accurate. For several years I streamed 60-70 hours per week with no days off playing the same game. It takes a massive toll. I essentially had no life, zero free time, started to hate video games, unhappy, exhausted. Although in my specific situation I don't regret it, I can't stress how much of a difference it has made changing my schedule and what content I create. I realize not everyone can afford to do so, but to any broadcasters reading this:
Seriously consider streaming less. Take 2 days off per week. IMO you'll be happier, and your streams will be better. Taking more time for yourself is extremely important, and that time is unlikely to make or break your success.
you think you know stuff or something chokey?
I’m glad you’re playing whatever game you want man. You seemed miserable at the end of playing pubg everyday. Hope you’re doing much better
Thank you @ChocoTaco! For your input. + that "me-time" can also be achieved daily. Like 20minute sauna, or 20minute bycicle ride through forest. :)
Thank you so much for making this. It's a great video
You are one of the most important voices on this issue and your validation of the video is so amazing, thank you! The livestreaming world is so lucky to have you.
@@devinnash i agree
Excellent video. I used to do streaming/RUclips full time around 6 years ago. In 2015 I switched to doing it as a part time hobby and I don't regret it at all.
Having your sole income relying on always "being on" is a recipe for disaster.
Was a full-time streamer (did quite well financially, but was not popular) and it was the numbers game that stressed me out. Not so much finances, but things like average viewership going down or a less active community. And there's no avoiding it, you'll always have ups and downs with streaming. But it was something that really hurt my mental health and stressed me out a ton. There were times when I just felt like the biggest failure and hardly had motivation to go live.
I never expected a dream job to be the most stressful one I've had. I did love it more than anything and plan to return when I can, but there's no denying how hard it was.
Content creation is ridiculously time-consuming and difficult. The average person says things like "oh you just play video games and get paid, so its not a real job" but my "real" jobs were a cakewalk compared to this.
Not enough people understand what goes into it or are willing to talk about it. I've often wondered if successful content creators were struggling when it came to things like losing viewership or the work load. Most people aren't going to let you see any of the stressful behind the scenes, so its hard to tell but its probably quite common.
Thanks for touching on this subject, watched it all the way through.
I am 34 years old, been gaming for so long and the last 3 months I decided to work towards streaming regularly. I have become an affiliate and I stream to about 7-10 people regular (mostly friends and family). I just want to say this is the first video I've seen of yours and I am blown away by how well this video was made. The information was so helpful and so insightful. Gaming was always my expensive hobby (I like vanity items lol) and transitioning into a working hobby has definitely changed the feeling of it. I know I currently do not suffer or deal with any type of mental health issues but this has made me more perceptive in hopes of avoiding or catching whatever maybe come my way early. My big dream is to become a 1k - 3k concurrent viewership streamer eventually, but this has definitely made me want to take it at my own pace and play whatever I would want to play. If it does not happen, then it does not happen and I think it would be okay with it understand the toll it may take if I was unhappy with the path. Thank you for the video I would definitely send it to all my friends and fam.
A banger video as always. Very inciteful and informative. Thank you for hitting on these topics. I personally had transitioned from being a failure in broadcasting to recording audiobooks as a passion project that I had always wanted to do. The parasocial section really hit home as it is something I feel had an effect on me and still does in some way even having not broadcasted in >18mo. Keep it up.
Devin, I’ve been a full time guy on RUclips and twitch for years now. 1-3 uploaded videos a week, 40-50 hours a week live on twitch to an average of 150 or so viewers (200 if I play tarkov). In my first years I went over 230 days straight live for 7 hours per day on average plus a RUclips upload every 3 days.
I started at 37 years of age. I’m 40 now and even having been through the ringer in prior jobs and gaining thick skin from prior work, the toll of what you described and how we all feel was spot on.
I watched this together with my wife so that she could understand the gravity of the impact that twitch chat and the associated negativity can have.
I stopped watching stats about a month ago and I’m significantly happier when I’m live but the depression, anxiety, and sleepless nights from being “on” for 5 hours+ every day has cost interpersonal relationships with IRL friends, family time with my 3 kids and my wife, etc in pursuit of a balance where I could slow down and still make the monetization.
I have slowly reduced my live time and increased my RUclips quality/view counts, but your video nailed it. The strain of “just playing video games” as a broadcaster is so much more than what people see.
I’m grateful that I can entertain others and be myself and make a living from it. I don’t want to do anything else, but I definitely need to do a better job diversifying away from just these 2 platforms and focus on trying to generate more while trying to get healthier.
Very accurate representation of everything I've experienced over my last 4 years
This video could have literally been a response to your video on why you haven't been in EFT as much lately. Much love man, do what you enjoy ^.^
thanks brother, I admire your sheer dedication to broadcasting and how much of it you've used for good - you are a paragon example of what people ought aspire to in the streaming world. I'm grateful to be your friend.
Love you pestily, we're all having the same issues, large and small currently.
This seriously hits home, it's mentally draining worrying about competition and thinking your own content isn't good enough. You made such great points and it goes to show even the most successful streamers aren't happy regardless if they have clout or money. Laying here watching this video resonated with my life being a small streamer who has a decent viewership and then things happened and had to take a long hiatus break from streaming and lost all of it. Thank you for being so insightful and putting these points out there as we need to be better humans and support one another.
Saw you in the comments Daz! Hope you're well man! 💜
Not only have the frequent uploads been nice to see both content wise, and how much you're thriving and loving it, these topics I couldn't possibly have resonated more with. Especially when it comes to being a female broadcaster. As I continue to grow my brand and channel I keep considering going into Vtubing both for security purposes and so people would stop making comments on how I look or put me in uncomfortable positions on the daily. Just watching this video was both really heavy and sad, but at the same time weirdly gave a refreshing feeling of not being alone. Having this community and the resources available are incredibly nice to have, so really, thank you for all the time if you've put into this Devin, it's very much appreciated and I always look forward to the vids!
"There isn't a culture of (watching) VODs" - I for one watch VODs on twitch regularly, as many streamers I follow don't live in my timezone or produce content too fast for me to keep up (working + family)
Great video, ManVsGame is a prominent figure in the twitch scene, who suffers greatly from the issues you brought forward. He's also pretty transparent about it.
I'm full time (not on twitch) and I don't see how this is "twitchs fault" because this is true on my platform also. The stress of this job and hours is kind of unreal. Still a dream job but it's a lot more than anyone would ever expect.
First of all, yes, I watched the whole way, including that 33-34 minute mark. I always do and never regret it here. You make undeniably important and incredibly useful content for anyone with even a fleeting interest in the content creation industry.
Other than that, I just want to say thank you. The issue of mental health amongst creators is STILL not talked about enough. You do an amazing job in bringing light to these issues, and I feel like when you talk, people listen.
Also, I personally have used RAD (found a therapist that was a good fit on the first attempt), and I ALWAYS recommend it to creators who are struggling.
I have been a long time fan and viewer. Watched from Twitch to now the content on RUclips. Currently at the 35:11 mark and posting a comment to mention how much I love and support your content. I always respect and appreciate your fair analytical breakdown of difficult topics that need to be discussed.
Sometimes it's hard to discern sincerety with content creators. I felt it with this vid. Thanks for bringing light to the unpopular and crucial topics.
Full-time creator here. And you mention the social media aspect of this and it's a HUGE thing. We are our own PR person and interacting with the community is a big deal. Sure Rogan can post and walk away, but 99% of us can't afford to ignore the audience. I generally love responding to comments and posts etc. but you do run into those ultra trolls who tear you down as hard as they can and even ignoring that consumes a big amount of my daily energy. Great vid! Thanks.
Seriously important discussion this, fantastic as ever.
agreed. been disregarded way too much for way too long.
It does feel like Twitch needs to change many things about the way it works and the feel of "need" to keep streaming or else you will drown. On the other hand, RUclips works in a similar way where you need to keep uploading videos or else Algorithm will punish you for not grinding out the uploads.
At least on RUclips you can create some extra videos and post them while on vacation. For Twitch you have to be there yourself.
Since engagement pays more (learnt that from your other videos), let me just leave comment for you, Devin. Been following your videos (and streams) for quite some time and never dissapointed. Thank you for creating it.
Thank you for sharing this. This is super important for people unaware of the all the bad things attached to streaming since most people focus on "you play video games for a living". As for my own story, I'm someone who streamed on Twitch recently for 3 years (2017-2020) only to get to 72 average viewers because they plateaued out. The amount of mental stress I had during the last few months of streaming was unreal. Everyday in my head was the thoughts of "Im not good enough to get partner" "Im wasting my time trying to be a content creator" "Why would anyone want to watch me over this person" and so on. I quit streaming at the end of 2020 because it was just too mentally exhausting constantly being stuck at 72 viewers and then also having other creators within the same genre as me with bigger communities tell me I'm not good enough or that Im nothing compared to them and a number of other mental reasons. This was in the 1v4 Asym games genre btw for context, so games like Dead by Daylight.
This hits home.. literally had to explain to my community recently that I couldn't keep up what I was doing, I had to switch things up... Thank you so much Devin for making more people aware of these issues streamers are facing.
@Klos hope you feel better soon
This is absolutely one of the most important topics that too few people have spoken on and it is so pertinent right now. I see so many creators around me 'taking time out' so it's great to see this discussed in such an open and careful manner. Thank you for addressing this!
I would love to see a video on Parasocial Relationships and how to build healthy boundaries in online communities. It is THE thing as a small creator I have struggled with the most. The 'ownership' of viewers and community members of a content creator and the emotional blackmail that can transpire as a result of that instance of intimacy or demand of attention outside of being 'live'.
I shared it in my discord before the call to action in the hope it helps someone.
Thanks again, Devin!
I am very happy that you posted this video today on twitter since I did not see it yet. This is a topic I bring up constantly with my friends whenever they downplay a streamer's job or treat them inhuman. Hell, even when I was personally streaming for 3 months, 5 times a week for only 4-5 hours a day the negativity and sexual comments (since I was a female streamer with a webcam with only 30 viewers average!!) were mindblowing. I cannot imagine what these bigger streamers go through and I wish we would be more kind and understanding to each other. I have seen many toxic trends develop over my years on twitch with mostly annoying chat comments such as "who asked" "donowall" "stunlocked" etc. While I get the humor behind it, a joke is only funny the first few times, not when 2000+ people spam it in the chat at the same time several times a day. I could go on typing about this but yeah... good video Nash
The fact that you teared up and really felt horrible about the para-social relationship, harassment and stalking. Thank you for being you and having the balls to speak about it. Thank you for the video. Im in the mental health burn out as well and will be taking a break from twitch very soon. I hope that I can come back but I also don't wanna push either. Idk I will think it through. and get myself in a better place soon.
Checking in from the 30 minute call out. At one year in as a small streamer (30 avg) your videos are incredibly insightful. I feel they get me thinking about streaming in ways that no other creators have.
Thank you for shedding light on this, issue.
Listening while I workout. 33 minutes in. I’m a recently gone full time streamer/content creator on twitch and I’m averaging about 200 hours a month. Things like this help smaller creators such as myself to grow and look at things differently. Been following Devin for a while and all the videos are helpful. During the acti blizz allegations I left my mainstay game CoD warzone and saw my support and viewership drop pretty hard and have struggled to find something since. I feel to be in a rut of not knowing what or how to grow out of this. Thanks Devin
As a content creator who talks A LOT about mental health, thank you so much for this video. This is a topic that is needing to be talked about SO MUCH and you did a phenomenal job. When I watch your videos the last thing I expect to do is tear up, but talking about harassment had me almost in tears because as a female presenting individual I felt so seen. Thank you so much for talking about this.
Hey, Devin,
Realy apretiate this video. Usualy just lurking and watching in the background, but this hit a bit differently.
I've been working in game dev for about 5 years now in different studios and can relate to working extended hours for something I'm passionate about. Your advice about divercifying, finding other passions is great and will try to incorporate some of it moving onward. Thanks again!
I've been watching every upload on your channel since I found it last year and I've never taken the time yet to thank you for all the value you've provided to me! I work full time but spent my free time learning how to stream and as of last year you've helped me take my first steps into making gaming reviews on RUclips! Before your channel I've never been introduced to the business side of these platforms and people, but you've not only introduced me to it, but you've made it digestible, and most of all entertaining! THANK YOU DEVIN NASH.
Love this video and although I don’t deal with some of the stuff you mentioned, I see these issues all the time. I’ve shared this in my discord for others to see and I encourage everyone to share this if possible👍🏻
Im a 35 minute commenter! I'm not going to lie, I didnt know you you were a month ago. Now I am so glad I do. I love info dumping and trying to understand things through data and metrics. Im now trying to go through all your content to watch all your streamer and content creator vids (which ive noticed it most of them LUL) and watching all of them. Thank you so much for teaching us about the IMPORTANT things in this space and being completely blunt and honest.
this video actually got to me emotionally. As a much older streamer ('I.m 62) who has streamed for now over 7 years i have recently been struggling more with mental helath issues. I watched this from start to finsh and actually drug a shortcut of it to my desktop for replay. I am not some college co ed or 20 something i am a IT professiional with a love of gaming but i struggle now to go live and feel like im letting myslef nad my viewers down. thank you for creating this topic Devin. Thank you.
The magnitude of these problems, and the cost it has on the creators cannot be overstated. Glad you are taking the time to draw more attention to it, even if there aren't currently a lot of great solutions.
Love your videos Devin! As someone who was a social media coordinator for businesses before I tried out content creating for myself. It's nice to find a channel that breaks down analytics, discusses the business side, and covers mental health issues. I found your channel within the last two months and I love to sprinkle your videos in with my regular stream of content I consume.
Thank you sir. Ive been on Twitch for 6 years and have gone through the ups and downs and watched it all change. in a two week time My record is 1 x 36hr, 2 x 28hr, 2 x 25hr, 2 x 24 hour, a 17 hr and a 13 hr stream back when you couldn't sleep on stream and no subathon gimmie a sub for 5 minutes time BS. ive gone through the whole spectrum of mental stress that come with attempting to do this full time. I love it but i had to make changes for my own health and sanity. And now I'm about to begin, after this break i'm taking, diversifying to youtube and tiktok thanks to your videos, wish i had done it years ago. thank so much for your content! Much Love
Being active in streamer communities I recognize this first hand. Thanks for putting many similar thoughts I've had and more into words!
yes devin, i made it to 33
I made it through! When I approached streaming 10 months ago, I was very aware of burnout, and I definitely wanted to do it in a way where I wouldn't get sick of it. I'm approaching streaming as part time, however, I'm teaching myself different skills to diversify to different types of content, not just streaming, and it seems to be working. I'm the type of person who becomes fixated on something, put my heart and soul into it, and then become burnt out on it in a month or two.
Keep up the good work!
Incredible video. More people need to consider these things before they commit themselves to streaming as a career, or before they judge a person whose career is based around streaming.
The young people starting out doing this do not realize the consequences of their choice. It’ll happen over and over, as the current ones grow and become sick of it and scale back, there’s always new young kids who think it won’t happen to them waiting to take those viewers. It happens in a lot of other industries too.
Hi Devin, a comment on the 34 minute mark, I do listen to your videos and you are a BIG help because i'm a rookie streamer and a lot of the problems you bring up are 100% true all of them, this is not only good creators advice, this is good life advice in general. Loved it. Keep it up man, please keep it up. And you helped me so much, soon there will be more of me here on YT and other platforms, not because money or fame or something else, because I like doing it, the passion to do such things did died, but you helped me reignite this inside. You prolly wont see much of me because Im VERY small on the internet but just know that you helped someone get back in the saddle.
Thank you for this video, Devin
I don't really comment on youtube vids but this one is so important. So many people think streaming is an easy job and ignore/are unaware of the mental health issues most streamers have at one point or another. It's actually so sad to be watching a stream and see some of the comments people make just because it's anonymous. People in general need to be nicer to people :(
I know im a little late to the party, but i absolutely loved this video. I really like the fact that you are so into mental awareness because it is absolutely a major issue. So many people focus on likes, views, follows, subs, that just specifically the numbers alone is cause enough of actual depression. Then, there is the point of comparing yourself to others. That also is incredibly self damning that it is its own issue. More streamers or even people that go off of the social media platform looking at numbers need to see this video. To me, mental health awareness is incredibly important and needs more light cast on it. So thank you for doing so and making this full video.
Great video. I've been following your content for a while and decided pretty early on to not make Twitch my main focus. Even keeping my stream time relatively low compared to the streamers used as examples in this video, I'm always afraid of burn out and take a vacation once every 3 months (where I still end up streaming.... :x)
Glad to have this out here as something that can be immediately shared when the topic comes up. Banger video.
Still here at the 35:30 mark!
The whole thing about streaming one game in order to grow is a major identity issue that I deal with. I initially wanted to be a variety streamer who plays what I want most of the time. I've been told "Choose one game or else growth will be too hard to gain" or "People don't want to watch variety streamers. You've got to find a niche (Ironic) and stay there." This is probably the only issue I've had so far on Twitch. I've streamed ESO for 2 months and GRINDED until I just didn't want to do that anymore. I just recently changed to a Genre System where I stream games within 1 or 2 different genres and have seen success with both methods but the fulfillment factor is lacking. What I plan on doing is doing my variety streams on RUclips as a testing ground, and then stick to my current schedule on Twitch to see what results are received.
Either way, great content as always Mr. Nash!
Devin, THANK you for doing what you do brother, you are changing lives and TRULY helping people through education. Every time I watch one of your videos it helps me realize what I need to change to become more successful and happy. Totally resonate as a creator with this one. Thank you for providing people with the resources to succeed in this industry, and in LIFE!! You are a legend my dude. Thank you for everything man. PS - ALWAYS watching until the end and sharing with others!
I did indeed watch well past the 33 minute mark and I usually never comment but I did want to say that I really love your content. I'm glad you talk about these things because even though I am not a content creator nor do I want to be (good old childhood dreams of being a creator are long gone), I absolutely love learning about people, psychology, and dabbling in a bit of the business side of it too. Your channel is like the ultimate place for the business and psychology parts and I really like that connection because while I think Dr. K is a very powerful figure in the industry for learning about the streamers, it doesn't teach me a lot about the objective background as to how the cogs of the machine work. It rather teaches me how someone thinks that the cogs work. And from the perspective of someone is a fan of few content creators, but am big fans of those creators, putting all of the business stuff in perspective to how people I watch hours and hours of content from actually really helps me understand what you're talking about in a more human way. If these talks were the same thing but about people I just had no idea even existed and ran companies I've never been interested in, I would lack that in depth perspective of just how prevalent the things you discuss are.
So yeah that's my two cents rant-esque thing. Once again, I love your content and am all for your videos. I must admit, a fantastic watch to throw on and learn about the industry while getting my home workout grind on. Cheers!
Thanks so much for making this video Devin! I'm a small streamer and content creator. You eloquently and concisely outlined so many problems I've witnessed for my fellow streamers, especially my female presenting comrades.
Appreciate you being so outspoken about mental health. Thanks for using your platform to fight the good fight :-)
This is a very good compilation. I've read discussions of pretty much all the individual topics here on other social media, so none of this was new to me, but my learning on these topics took place mostly after bad things happened to streamers and people started discussing it, over a few years. It would've saved a lot of time if I'd just had access to a clear, concise summary like this, and potentially some of these bad things could have been avoided or at least alleviated if more people were aware of these issues.
About VTubers, I'd like to briefly mention two points. First, I agree VTubing is a great trend and a great aid to privacy, and can make stalking much more difficult. It's sadly not a perfect defense, though, as one of the bigger VTubers I watched was forced to graduate (their term for retiring/quitting) due to IRL stalking earlier this year. Second, and this is just a theory of mine not anything established, is the use of an anime or fantasy type of image to represent yourself could make it easier for viewers to forget the streamer is a real person. Their viewers may need to be reminded more often that there is a real person behind the avatar, and to act accordingly. I think the pros of VTubing still outweigh the cons by quite a bit, though.
I’ve watched the whole video up to 34 minutes, subscribed and liked this video and that doesn’t express just how relevant and amazing this video is. Absolutely mind blowing points that people don’t talk about at all. Kudos to you
This is a great video Devin. I’ve had my own ups and downs from doing content creation as a career over the past few years and I think this video will help a lot of people!
This a great video being a small streamer and being a veteran who suffers from mental issues awareness is key. I think this was definitely a need for not only streamers, but for a lot of folks to check their mental health. For me streamer is more of an escape from my mental anguish, but it definitely can be a weight on folks who just don't acknowledge it. I will definitely talk and share this on my stream tonight for all of my fellow streamers and friends just to make sure they are self aware of their mental health.
I can't click off your videos. Once they start I'm hooked to the end.
Somehow you always post a video about what I've been thinking about every time.
I've recently experienced a mental break that just tanked my motivation and it has taken me 2 weeks to get back on track. Videos about this subject help enormously just from a point of validation for people who are suffering.
Fantastic video. You describe so perfectly so much of what I have thought about and experienced over the last 3-4 years I have been running my channel as my full-time job.
I have juggled full-time RUclips and Twitch, and now I'm several years in the idea of full-time streaming (even doing a "sensible" amount of live hours/days a week) is just something that does not appeal to me at all. I'd much rather be running my brand as a business and have my time divided up between making RUclips content, maybe doing one stream a week and spending the rest of my time working on other business interests.
I can understand going crazy with the hours if you are a massive streamer, if you can go nuts and have no life for a year and make insane money, then you can duck out early and go and use that money on other less crazy business ideas that are more sustainable long-term. But doing that year on year out is so deeply unhealthy.
I loathe the unhealthy lifestyle that the "full-time streamer" job promotes, both mentally and physically.
34 Minute check-in. Thanks so much for these in-depth talks Devin! By the way, that's an awesome shirt!
There was an art project in the late 90's called "Quiet: We Live in Public" that was touched upon in the documentary called "We Live in Public". In the art project, 100 artists were placed in a facility to live for a set period of time with all of their movements being recorded and broadcasted live. This was before live streaming was a thing. Many of the participants had mental breaks and I feel that art project and the documentary are extremely relevant to the current age of live streaming that we are in now.
Thank you for spreading awareness, you're a great inspiration!
Not only I made it until the very end, I actually watched it on my stream and had a discussion with my chat as you were making some very VERY good points! It was worth for me to watch every single min. of it, because all of what you said was so freaking true and I could relate to like 80% of the stuff! Amazing video, Devin! Thank you for making it and I'm looking forward for your next one!
Thank you Devin. This is such an important issue. I noticed some of these trends and mental states you spoke of in myself. It was super destructive and it nearly ruined my life and my passion for games. I recently decided to seek medical professionals and I’m finally getting better.
Gamers, I know you wouldn’t want to see someone you like going through this. Make sure that you know you are not alone. That there are places that you can turn to when things get rough. When you feel your chest constrict and your stomach turn to lead. When you feel that you’re not even worth the air you breathe or that no one would care if you disappeared. When you feel like there is no escape.
Remember:
You. Are. Not. Alone.
Seek the help you need. Don’t brush it off.
Thank you so much for making this video, Devin. I am set to come back after being out for 3 months from burnout due to many of the things you mentioned in the video. And I am super small, I cannot imagine what the big streamers must be going through. It's so horrible that some will "eventually" have something horrible happen to them and that is so terrible. The amount of pressure must be beyond unbearable. But your video is super important and I am definitely sharing it. I will also check RAD as I am huge for mental health advocacy. I just started going to therapy and you are right...it is a huge resource that everyone should have access too. Thank you good sir for this.
Definitely something that needs awareness. Great video. In watching streaming over the years, various streamers and seeing how they mentally are impacted. One of the things I avoid doing is ever bringing that up. I try to only give back positive feedback because the power of negativity is so strong. I remember a streamer who got hit with the 'you seem tired', 'are you ok' comments which while are genuine concerns from a viewer, come back as confirmation to the streamer that things aren't ok, and end up being a negative experience for them.
"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" would go a long way in this. But even then people need to think through what they are going to say, how it might affect the other person. This is true in face to face, and should be applied when your behind a keyboard.
It's definitely a difficult topic and awareness is really the first step toward finding a better middle ground.
Diversify is an excellent suggestion, as not having that one basket full of eggs that if you stop sitting on for even a day might cause huge losses, would suck. Anxiety from this comes at all levels when your paycheck is tied to one source. Everyone with a job and bills will have this to some degree for sure. But when you are the boss, and you are the job, and you are the worker and all the things, that is magnified so much more.
I would add a recommendation, for the content creator. Focus on the positives you do get, save them, have them somewhere that you can look at them and get the boost they will provide. This could be direct praise, or a comment where you made someone's day. Having that to look at, reflect upon, will help reinforce the positives. But it has to be an active thing, our brain is great at storing memories tied to negativity, as you said, so actively finding and reflecting on the positive could be good.
Here still at 35 mins! I cannot express how grateful I am you continue to make these videos for us for absolutely free. I can tell you genuinely care about people. Especially when talking about point #4 (stalking/harassing/etc/) as a female streamer I am glad someone understands and supports us. Keep up the good work it really makes a difference in people's lives.
This video validates the Break and Intermission scenes I created for my stream(s).
I stream for an hour and a half, then, on stream, I take a 15 minute break; the scene has a 15 minute timer. Then I stream for another hour and a half.
The Intermission scene has a 30 minute timer; I stream for two hours, Intermission, stream for two more hours.
!health; I do this to encourage not only healthy streaming, but also healthy spectating.
Devin, I'm not a streamer, but do self publish fiction books, and just wanted to say your content is much more widely applicable than just streaming, love watching you. Your comments on 1 negative comment out of 100 is exactly how I feel about negative reviews on amazon.
Huge fan of your videos; from the way they are structured and how well thought out they are.
And for every point you listed in this video, our heart became heavier because its extremely relatable and we've witnessed our fellow content creator friends start to neglect their physical and mental health. So not only does this resonate, it validates, and brings awareness to something that is often times overlooked, downplayed, or even encouraged [the negligence of one's self when in the creator space].
Something else you mentioned in another video has also stuck with us too- the concept of setting up multiple pillars of success [diversification] as a creator so that you aren't hyperfocused on an avenue that isn't doing to well at that given time. HOWEVER; we feel this can also be applied to life itself. We encourage our friends to think of the future a bit, rather than chasing numbers in the now. What steps are they taking to ensure they are taking care of their future self? This helps them take a step back and look at a bigger picture - one where they can start taking the steps towards investing in a future where there's passive income/growth and they can still do what they love because they want to- not because they feel like they have to. Often times, we've witness hustled culture encourage people to monetize EVERYTHING they learn / or skill they have acquired. And thats a great thing, to do what you love as a career! But not if its at the expense of your happiness and health.
We're a shy person, but we really just wanted to thank you so much for all the videos you've created. Much love to you!
EDIT: adding [diversification] to second paragraph.
This video has helped me alot, I watched the whole thing lol I appreciate it. Love watching you on the scuffed podcast too, thanks again man
Watched this video straight through, initially intending to just watch it in parts over the evening. I appreciate the bulleted approach to these topics you go over and today's overall theme is a very important one for me. Thanks for doing these, Devin. And a thank you to the community surrounding and supporting these topics on this channel.
Great video. Can definitely see myself in this!
One thing that I'd like to add is that, as a broadcaster, it can feel oddly difficult to make new friendships because you often feel like people aren't genuinly interested in you as a person but more your follower count. It feels isolating and makes the broadcaster reject potention new great genuine friendships
STOP MIMICKING JOE ROGAN'S VOICE AND TONE
wacky I would love to smoke one with u bro
HEY HEY HEY ...wacky we love u and your pubg videos on YT and Twitch streams....never burn out never surrender!!!!
I personally haven’t had this issue on Twitch but Vtuber Twitter is notorious for that exact thing
Despite intellectually knowing that streaming is a lot of stressful work, as a casual viewer it's easy to forget. I'm glad to be reminded of all the shit that everyone who puts themselves out there is dealing with. Thanks for making this vid!
Been on the platform for 8 years and have regularly talked about and discussed very similar things throughout especially the most recent years with my smol community. Love the push into RUclips and all of the insight here, as well as in your Discord. Keep doing you're thing and have a great rest of your day and phenomenal rest of your week!
Im here, i watched the whole video! LOL it feels good knowing that this is a common issue and you described it so well. THANKS!
nearly a year later and i am watching this again, going through a bit of a "burnout"/feeling lost.... while we no longer stream, i definitely still feel like we both feel this in general content creation. Thanks again for making this video, it really does give insight to the fact that we are NOT alone.
That qoute it's real hard. As a family man, retail worker, content creator seeing the world wrought in the despair it currently is (in any facet we magnify) it surely gives hope at minimum
Thank you for making this video. Mental health issues need more of a focus and resources to get everyone understanding and on the same page. Environment and context play a huge role and that means the platforms have a responsibility to ensure healthy interactions and healthy fandom. I'm looking for resources on how to nurture healthy community. The question of "What does a healthy community look like?" should also be explored more. Much love to everyone here!
Damn, this video made me respect Devin even more than I did before.
I feel like he is the same type of person in the twitch community like Dr.K is.
In the sense of that he knows so much about twitch and how it works that if he had a even bigger platform then literally everyone would benefit from it.
He goes in such depth in the way he talks about topics but explains it in such a simple way that you don't have to be as smart as him to understand everything.
Dr.K just does this more focused on the users of twitch and how to help them when Devin knows more about the statistics, meta and culture of twitch.
I just hope this gets more awareness as I think it will if some big streamers will react and give their opinion on this which will again help everyone.
Thank you for making this.
I feel like you are one of the only people on twitch who has the actual interest and discipline to work on one video for over a month to give valuable information.
Awesome stuff Devin! I think most of us can relate. Even as a very small YT creator and previously a very brief twitch streamer I feel a lot of the pressures that you bring up. I can't put that much time into this right now because obviously at my size I don't make any money off of content creation and I have a very busy day job, but in order to grow I feel like I need to be creating all of the time. When I can't be creating, I feel like I have to be thinking about creating and coming up with strategies/plans in order to grow. It's mentally exhausting and that's as a guy who's doing peanuts compared to large (and small) creators who do this full time. I'm very blessed to have a well paying job that allows me to take care of my family while I try to work on content creation.
I'm also someone who discounted how hard all of this was before I did it. I'm certainly guilty in the past of thinking "I wish I could just play games all day and get rich". I was smart enough to know that only applied to a small percentage of creators, but I still thought of it as a low effort job and boy was I mistaken. People just don't get it though unless they've done it. And I get it, most of us judge situations unfairly until we've been in that situation ourselves.
One of the first videos I ever made was a funny short about the struggle to post content on all social media outlets and still get 0 views. Some guy on Reddit responded and chastised me for thinking streaming was harder than working in a coal mine. LOL. I certainly never made that comparison myself, and I don't believe it's true either. Some people just want to assume that we're all lazy and taking the easy way. Everyone has reasons to complain sometimes, even the people at the top of the world. If only the person who had it the "worst" was allowed to complain, there'd only be one complainer at a time, and that would be subjective. Let's open our minds to other people's struggles and try to empathize. Good day!
Not a broadcaster, but have been struggling with mental health issues for the last 5 years. The whole thing about people assuming you can't be struggling, unhappy or even suicidal because you're successful in your work is so important to keep bringing up, since it makes it even more difficult for people to admit to themselves and others that they are in fact struggling.
I think the inception of Twitch prime has had a huge impact on the “always on” mentality of Twitch. A regular sub is set to recur and people can choose to cancel. With prime if you don’t stream you don’t generate new prime subs, if last month you did stream that day you will lose however many you gained and it’s like that forever.
If you’re gaining 100 primes a day and streaming 7 days a week then how the hell can you rationalise a switch to a permanent 4 or 5 day week? Or taking a week off?
Regular subs tend to recur a lot more, very hard core viewers spend the prime token with you each month but most are impulse uses and if you aren’t live, you aren’t getting them.
This to me has been the single biggest change to twitch in the 6 or so years I’ve been a partner. Twitch don’t want to encourage the use of prime by allowing an option to let it reoccur with your favourite streamer and so people feel the pressure to at least do the same as last month or more, every month forever!
Delete tritch prime! Nobody uses Amazon in my country so its hecking useless anyway!
im posting up and letting you know, still awake grinding harbour bridge offstream lmaooo
Super grateful you posted this. With the pandemic, I definitely began watching more twitch. I want to support the creators I follow, and having clear and direct suggestions towards that is awesome. Thank you so much!
Stuck through the whole thing. Thank you for making this video. I thoroughly enjoyed your candor to this subject.
You talk about broadcasters putting in # of hours for content creation. You mention the hours tallied when LIVE, but I would argue that the time committed while OFFLINE is so much more an equal factor. All the work that no one sees, that goes unnoticed to the audience. It's not just a drop in a bucket. The vast majority of creators are one person shows and especially smaller creators who probably work real jobs in whatever other free time they have available (bills to pay).
As much as I would want to diversify my content, it sounds more and more like a bigger time sink. Hearing this affects me negatively, so much so that I have to attach content creation as a hobby rather than a revenue generator - this for the balance of work/life until the situation or circumstances deem otherwise. I would never want what I work on as a labor of love to my free time to then turn into something that's just going to bite me back in the butt for putting too much time in. I agree that less is more when it comes to Twitch and that other platforms are the answer.
I would love to see more information for smaller & mid-level creators (partnered or not) and how to navigate this medium that is ever-changing and uncharted. What steps to take and when to take them? I would appreciate more specific examples to your bullets and less broad strokes when communicating your ideas. I find you engaging and would love it if you fleshed things out more. Please this video deserves a way better thumbnail.
Should've subbed sooner. I'm subbed now. Only watched 3 your videos. Thank you for being a gift to the broadcast community 💜
Thanks for all the great videos Devin. Every vid you have posted, that I've watched, I've watched to the end. I'm a beginning streamer on FB, and appreciate all the advice and guidance you offer.
This video is so on point, about everything on any social media, and I keep telling people this, but now I can show them this video, since you said way better then I would ever do, but what you say in this video is what is in my head, so thank you Devin, so saying it so well. I hope everyone in the world sees this and learns from it as well. Again thank you making this.
Amazing video Devin. So much covered here that's all so so important for people to realise. The argument "you just play games woe is you" is one of the most frustrating things to hear people go through.
Man this video hit close to home. Great discussion and well summarized.
Thanks for the amazing video. I watch most of your videos and Inwatch them all the way through. A video from you is my time in the week to slow down and take in some valuable information. Keep up the great work!
My streaming history was EFT SOLID for a month or two, built up like 15 regulars. Swapped to MTGA, reset viewers, played solid for a month or so and got back up to 15. Swapped to VR and random games and tanked viewers to nothing. Feels bad man, but hey I rather play what I'm feeling vs feeling like I have to play something. I know consistency is good for growth, but I know I cant do that.
35 minutes in and I am glad to know more about the risk(s) of "going pro.". I just started streaming in May, but learnt a hard lesson on the topic of "not streaming what I like". Tldr; I streamed Apex(the most popular in-demand games) for 100 hours in August, but only clocked an average 1.4 viewers. But when I switched up the games, and plugged in an old game like Sims 3, I got a peak of 10 viewers. Now playing FFXIV with 4-5 viewer average and might dive into SWTOR soon--also no longer streaming 5 nights a week.
Thank you so much for this talk. This one hit hard, not really talked about.
It got a bit personal for me honestly, Years ago I used to be a charity streamer for Rise Above The Disorder and it was going pretty good, but suddenly I was just cut from the team with no feedback onto what the reason was. No conversation whatsoever, just “oh we can’t have you streaming on here anymore. Sorry.”
Streaming on their channel - I was so excited for. To represent the team… I was on for a good month and they loved me - and then they cut me. I felt expendable and I didn’t feel good (that was on me for that reaction)
I try not to have anything against them. What they are doing for people is really good and I’m happy for it. I just hope these days anyone streaming for them on their channel is treated in a way that their mental health is taken care of as well and not discarded - and in the end feeling expendable.
Also, what you said about VTubing supports what I’m going through right now. I used to be a streamer with a face cam but I genuinely enjoy getting into a sort of character when I go on. I feel I can get away with some things (not in a bad way) and it has been a very enjoyable experience.
Heh, if anyone read all of this, thank you for your time and sharing this experience with me.
Cheers Devin. I love every single bit of knowledge you drop and take immense value from it all.
34 minute gang!
Awesome video my dude, loved the quote about 36:11 secs into this, awesome piece of awareness on a really good topic & issue!! Thanks Dev my dude!!
Oh synchronicity, read this as he brought up the quote
@@MorganMindfulness Love it dude!!🤘🏻😺👌🏻
I watched the whole thing and I'll be recommending this to my peeps on Discord. Right now I'm working on a show and I've been thinking "I should've had this part done two days ago, damn!". So you mentioning that you were working on the video for a month to give us the best work possible was really important.
Still here and still listening haha! Incredibly valuable video. As a small full time (sort of) streamer who has been losing concurrents by the huindreds due to Among us dying- it's great to know that my feelings are valid and shared by others.
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is a good read for anyone who desires quality and creating good content. If a streamer wants to have an idea what mind numbing work is, the recommendation I have is to spend 8 hours in a factory. You have to maintain a schedule by getting into work at the time you are assigned, even showing up a little early (I’ve been guilty of this late arrival to my job because I am not used to the hours involved). Some of the full time full employees work 12 hour shifts at the factory I work at because they don’t want to work on the weekends. It is totally doable, but it takes effort and preparation for five days of constant hammering. You don’t always have the same things happen in the same order because the work goes through stages. Any problem with the hardware is taken care of manually.
I streamed Monster Hunter World and only that for years, capped out at about 300 average viewers a stream for several months which I was very happy about. Decided to play some other games for a bit and my viewership crashed to about 20 to 30 average viewers. I started thinking awful things about myself all day every day, so I took about 6 months off and ruined everything I had built. It's a stressful feeling that has been years in the making for me to recover from, and I wasn't even a big streamer. Can't imagine the stress of being at the top.
I made it to that 33 min mark. Your videos are the only videos I care to watch that are longer than 10 or 20 minutes. I think these discussions/topics are like a broadcaster "how to" type of podcast/video. I appreciate you and these videos. It's helping me prep and helping me mentally.
Thank you.
Huge thanks for making this video and shining a light on mental health in streaming. Lots of folks, myself included, have hid from their mental health issues by exclusively focusing on making new content. Took me about two years to get back to streaming/making videos consistently again. Still haven't gotten things fully in order, but I'm happier. One day at a time, folks. Share your experiences... it's how we grow and learn.
Love your content as always! Really major issue being discussed here. Do you think running your online content like a regular workplace and having 3 or 4 people who all make youtube content and all take turns ie shifts streaming for the channel would help combat a lot of these issues? That way if your running a small team you can all have holidays and sensible working hours?
I have watched almost every single one of your videos to completion
You have absolutely shaped the way I think about content creation and even life.
My journey from League self-improvement videos into content creation mirrors yours and makes me stoked to see all of the things that you do that I will at some point.
Thank you Devin. Hearing your messages at the end for people who make it to the end is really cool, thank you.
Hearing Devin start yelling is the point that the whole channel comes to.
"Im so tired of people dogging on Broadcasters for playing video games"
Hell yeah my dude! This passion is amazing.