To make it on Twitch, you either have to be very good at what you do, or be very entertaining, that alone eliminates a lot of people. You can be very entertaining for a 10 minute RUclips video, or upload your best highlights, but when you're live for 3 or 4 hours, it becomes much more difficult to keep people watching you
I streamed on Twitch 6 days a week every night after work starting in 2014. In the first two years, I grew to around 3500 followers, averaged around 75-100 viewers per stream, and maintained around 50-60 paid subscribers. I even spread the content out by just doing live gaming on Twitch while uploading tutorials and reviews to RUclips. Last year (August 2019) I finally called it quits after 4 years because there was just no more growth. I tried other things to make the content more entertaining and played with my time slot a bit to be more accessible to a wider audience but the numbers pretty much stayed the same. And I had to keep up that pace or I would fall behind. I took a week off once for personal reasons and lost 45 of my 60 paid subscribers. It just wasn't worth my time anymore. When I started I never had the goal of being partnered or making a career out of it. It just seemed like an amusing way to enjoy my gaming hobby. But by the end, it was becoming an unhealthy, frustrating obsession. So I shut the channel down and walked away.
I can relate to that although I never got near the numbers you did. I streamed for about 2-3 months and my channel took off. Sadly, my father passed so I took a year off to heal and my numbers have never been the same. You work so hard for just a single follower and it takes nothing at all to lose them. Thanks for sharing your story man, it really puts things in perspective.
That’s pretty sad bro, the grind keeps on going but it’s interesting how yo recognized that there was no more roll for growth, what are you doing now a days?!
Fax I’ve nvr found a streamer solely through seeing them on the discover page I either see them from RUclips or someone else’s twitch stream...who I also found from RUclips 😂
Same that's how I found Harris Heller and Danucd, Didn't really get into Twitch till my buddy asked me to watch one of his streams and then I got curious and explored the site a bit
Hi! I’m a new RUclipsr and was hoping I could have a little support! I started about 2 years ago and have already grown a successful amount! I do lots of cool vids and love and notice every single subscriber, thank you!!!!!
I streamed on twitch for over a year. Never grew and never got any momentum. I moved to youtube and grew to over 100k subs in 9 months. I have friends that REFUSE to move to youtube and stay streaming to 2 viewers on twitch because "RUclips is trash." I tell them that they have to have content elsewhere because Twitch isn't made for growth. They never listen. I told one friend to come to youtube when I was at 10k subs on youtube. They refused because "youtube mistreats it's creators." They are still on twitch streaming to 2 people. I am about it hit 150k. I just don't understand why people are afraid of growth. I even got made fun of from a small twitch streamer playing my favorite game because I said in chat that I play it on youtube and used to on twitch. The streamer and chat made fun of me the rest of the stream because, "youtube isn't a real streaming platform." The streamer even stopped the game he was speedrunning to make fun of me for like 10 minutes. Was really weird. Twitch is elitist in that weird way. Great video.
@@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 I've seen his videos since he has only a few thousand subs. He made videos about how to become a streamer on twitch when he himself had minimal viewership. But, by making videos about how to grow your stream he grew his stream.
I mean pretty much everybody does this on twitch. Xqc, mizkif, hasann, destiny, the list goes on and on. Xqc is massive now, hitting over 50k every stream.
It's kind of hilarious that people think they can just get an audience without any form of marketing, outreach, branding. Imagine if a company treated a product like that?
I have a fairly good job, I also play a lot of games in my spare time. I just steam that stuff and then upload that onto RUclips as well. It’s just fun for me and make a little extra money.
I've been streaming for 2 and a half years now. It's always bothered me how people view "grinding" on Twitch. This is the message I sent to someone who said he didn't want to make RUclips videos after he asked me how to grow on Twitch but didn't like my advice. "Well, I'm just going to be blunt because I've had a lot of people ask me what you are, and I always advise people to do YT because it's genuinely the best way to get growth and most people don't take that advice and just stream on twitch and go nowhere. They do it because it's easy to stream on twitch and just say "well I'm streaming, that counts as trying" and they continue to stay stagnant because all they really want to do is play games and/or pretend like it's a job. Then they justify zero growth by saying they are "working", and it's okay because "working" is a good thing. Growing on social media is much more than just playing games or being good at a game. For 0.001% of streamers, they can get away with "just playing", but for the rest it has to be more than that." Giving people realistic advice about their "business" means you do care. You'd warn your friends if they had a restaurant business that was failing...you should warn your friends if they are doing the same thing on Twitch. It's good to see you make this video because it reinforces my stance on the topic.
I just finished my first month and did a video speaking about exactly this. It’s mind blowing how many people think that in 2020 you can grow on twitch just because of seat time and being live. You don’t grow on twitch, you grow everywhere else and you bring that to twitch. Refusal to do that just dooms you
300-400 avg. viewer Andy here, for anyone that wants to grow some quick tips that might help you out to get out of the "starter zone" - Focus on 1 main game, dont try to stream variety so you have people discovering you through the niche you are in - You NEED to create content outside of Twitch, dedicate more time to actually doing this than streaming - Understand that your stream only lives in the moment/vod which is worth close to nothing, stream things that you turn into youtube videos - You will need to learn how to edit, use photoshop and get actual skills for this business - Please for the love of god test your audio before you go live, way too many fuck this part up While this is only a little bit of personal advice, pretty much the best thing you can do which I guarantee you will put you in the 1% is to ACTUALLY DO WHAT DEVIN SAYS. Even though he created an exact guide on how to get to 100 viewers, people just dont follow the steps. Harris Heller (alpha gaming) helps with this as well. But you DO HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO IT. And well, 99%+ of people thinking they will do it and are motivated will end up doing absolutely nothing and then wonder why they see no results. Hope this helps, need to be honest because too many won't listen when you present it in a nicer way
Yep can definitely agree with that. I'd add a few things: Find a small & niche game where there isn't too much competition. Main focus should always be providing good quality content. Be active around that community! Cheers 👍
I am someone who prefers "On Demand" shows as opposed to having to schedule around entertainment. As such I almost NEVER visit twitch. However, Clips from twitch, or sometimes entire streams will get a watch from me on youtube instead. So I 100% agree with the point that you shouldn't just keep streaming more on twitch to gain more viewers. Its anecdotal, but I believe many other people are similar.
Movie idea: In a world...where Twitch is an actual city full of dreamers with zero chance of hitting the big time. Original music has been outlawed and your only chance to make it out is your Beatles cover band. Can you win the battle of the bands and avoid a DMCA strike? No amount nanoleaf panels can help. Its all up to you you...
This is absolutely true, and more people need to pay attention to this and be honest with themselves. I'm "another one of those" in the group of successful on youtube/twitch and the original intent was never to "be a career youtuber/streamer".
I agree with you 100%. I stream for 10/12 people today, sometimes i reach 30, but im not doing this for the money or anything like it. Im just playing the games that i wanna play and interacting to people. Im improving the quality of the stream as i go, but im not doing this expecting to making it my living, and its just a realistic way to aproacth it. I have a job and the streaming hobby. Daydreaming of being the top 1% isnt good, if goes right and the successes come great, but it hardly will come, and people have to acknowledge it. Sorry if i misspelled, brazillian here hahaha
Just to clarify: He’s not saying it’s impossible to become the next Ninja/sodapoppin/DrDisrespect/Pokimane. He’s not even really saying it’s unlikely. He’s saying that you shouldn’t EXPECT to become the top 1% or like the platform owes you a living or a successful career, because it doesn’t. A lot of people start streaming for the hope of making money and that’s the wrong way to go about it. Streaming should be a hobby and because you enjoy it, above all else. Success may come as a byproduct, but it never comes as the main goal.
I simply disagree on the topic about "don't do it for the money" I am one who is a streamer and did it for the money. I just have a realistic expectations. you can have any motivation and goals but the expectation should always be applied.
@@rebornnora It is this primarily. Don't start expecting to be the next Tyler. Start expecting to actually put in the work and MAKE yourself grow, not just grind until you "get lucky".
You often forget about collaborations, I've seen streamers in just chatting getting hundreds of viewers on their first stream mere minutes after creating their accounts. This happend because they were guests on an other streamers stream and decided or were even asked to start their own streaming career. Just chatting is a big community on twitch now and collabs are the way to grow there.
100% agree with this, I get spammed by dozens of people from all around the world everyday with big dreams of doing what we do and it’s hard to take a dump on their dreams knowing that I just got lucky
Now, it may be more attributed to luck, due to how typically easy it is to get a rookie setup, and the amount of other people you have to contend with. The main problem people have is consistency. If you don't set a schedule for your streams, or interact with people in chat, it's very easy to lose people's interests. Would you rather watch a guy who streams consistently between certain hours, or wait on a guy who may pop on to stream once or twice every couple of weeks? Most people will always choose the person who is consistent and engaging. You also need to find your niche to set you apart from everyone. xQc got to where he is by being an absolute psychopath on stream at times. Shroud, through his chill and laid back demeanor and fps skills. Realistically, everyone could potentially grow a small to medium sized following if they found their best "niche", were more interactive, and streamed on a consistent schedule. It may take a few years to find your following, but it will grow in time.
Really amazing talk, Devin!! The most important part is the life lesson you spoke on at the end: the feeling of entitlement or belief you are owed something will not get you anywhere and will only ruin the false expectations set!
You don't have to be famous or to be "successful" you just have to be the best you can be. Enjoy what you do, develop a community. That is what its really all about. Entertaining others and making the people watching your stream feel that they are apart of something bigger.
It's been really interesting streaming/youtubing/twitter and facebooking the last 2 months. Kind of starting to get a better grasp on video editing but still struggling to find that main topic or idea of myself. Maybe i'll never have a good idea what type of content I want to bring to the table? But regardless I still want to just create content so I can hopefully figure out what makes me unique... Thanks for the great insight Devin.
I feel like I'm one of the few that started streaming on Twitch for something other than monetary gain. I had discovered a game I thought my cousin, who lives in a different town, would enjoy. So I created a Twitch account in order to stream the game play for him. That was five years ago. I found that I enjoyed streaming, and kept with it. Now it's a paying hobby. That was something I hadn't even considered as a possibility back then. Looking at my analytics, I see now that my most successful stream had over 300 concurrent viewers. So to Devin's point, starting with idea of becoming big is the wrong way (in my experience) to go about it. Do it because you enjoy it, not because you think you'll be the next Ninja.
There’s no such thing as a bad motivation, only bad action. I keep working hard and make it more likely for me to get discovered all for the sake of money and opportunities. Of course I have to have expectations but doesn’t mean I have to change my motivation and goes along the line of what’s the “right way” why you are on twitch
@@rebornnora I will disagree on a technicality; bad motivations do exist (such as doing something for the express purpose of bringing some kind of harm [physical , emotional or financial] to another). But that's being pedantic and nit-picky. 😉 I take your point, though. But do you enjoy it? Or has the grind sapped the joy out of it? I'd argue that as long as you get enjoyment and/or satisfaction from streaming, then you're in a good place.
Your missing the point, hes saying do it if you want to make money and be ninja, but you have to treat it like a business and work at all aspects of it for years, which is not just sitting grinding play hours on twitch.
@@rebornnora The problem is that this is no different than people who try to get into weight lifting. While it is good to have GOALS, your main motivation should be that it is enjoyable to do, and not to have to many EXPECTATIONS. Expectations are a motivation killer. If you purely streamed because you wanted to be the next Ninja, Shroud, sac, TtTM, or Summit then you are going to be disheartened after a year or two of slow growth, or disheartened when you hit the inevitable plateau you need to break through. Most streamers collapse when they hit that plateau because they want to be like those big name streamers and make it big after just a year or two. You can always have goals that you wish to meet, but they should never be your expectations and expectations should be low to the point of 'expecting' to have fun doing it. Dream for the moon, but aim for the stratosphere first.
@@harpiessnow My only one true goal is to have a twitch as a career. Many people either are too worrisome because of a person certain goal and motivation, they want to persuade their idea or else they might see another streamer quitting and lose hope. i could say that i am working out solely mainly because i want to look good in front of women. Trainers or regulars at the gym may see that lack of resolve but I am still working my butt off and I don't see myself quitting or losing hope. Same as me still going for the twitch career, i am not stopping. I do have expectations but its not enough to make me lose hope. I encounter hard walls and still do but at this point, my dream is my life.
This kind of reminds me of a quote by Einstein - "The true definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something to change." I felt that kinda sums up the twitch mentality pretty well.
low key, it's super gratifying to hear you say this. specifically the RUclips vs twitch stuff. been trying to convince a friend who is wanting to get into streaming to stream on RUclips and to at least cut their streams into more digestible videos with less filler and this video in large explained my perspective + some. thank you for this type of content.
Really appreciate your shows Devin! Grinding has made me demotivated but videos like these just help me realize I don't need to make money and be successful on twitch I can just enjoy it.
I literally just stream stuff I’m already going to play anyways i feel like its helping me become less shy and i have more fun when im playing single player games. I don’t care if i get big i just wanna meet new people and have even a few people who enjoy my content. I do use youtube as well though
I just stream for fun. A few hours on a few days per week. I feel that's enough. I don't need statistics. I don't need growth. I just wanna do my thing, and have fun with that. That's a mindset too.
This is good life advise in general. I tried for so long to make my dream work only to realize it was not possible, ever. I would never be a top archaeologist in the world. I looked ta my life and what I had and made something of it. Turns out I love being a paramedic so it was worth realizing what I am actually capable of doing.
Thank you for posting this. No one will learn, if they aren't taught. No one starts out with all the skills, all the knowledge and know how. We all need people like you to just lay it all out. And you aren't belittling about it (like I've seen others do) You aren't bursting people's bubbles, instead you are teaching people to be realistic, see what they need to do, what to realistically expect, and how to go about starting out. You gained a subscriber just for this alone.
Big truth here. Devin you've been a godsend, your advice for growing on a social platform has changed the way I think in the past month. Implementing just a little bit of marketing and strategy, even at the novice level like myself, has given me growth and just makes sense in the long term.
*You have to focus on your community. Whether you have the same viewers on Twitch or the subscribers on RUclips that comment and get involved. Build up to love the small group of followers you have and embrace them. Have fun with it n just enjoy the ride... don't focus on the destination..*
Ya a talk that goes more in depth about multi-streaming too. I know everyones blanket answer is usually "you're just fracturing your view base" but really at the beginner level, isn't just figuring out which service you capture more viewers on and then transitioning when you make partner (IIRC only twitch does exclusivity by default) a better plan? Cast a big ass net, get on twitch, insta, youtube etc and shit and drive viewers to wherever they feel more comfortable
There is one already. Summing it up: different platforms for different purposes. Do restream everywhere if you're small. But THIS IS Not the solution to your problem. Create content on discoverable platforms. I don't know how often this has to be repeated until people get it. But check out the video for yourself :)
I have different content for different platforms so I stream stardew on facebook make events for our schedule so people know where we are, tweet when we go live, and we have had very good growth over the last while since we started doing that.
@@worldpvpftw I'm not understanding you, I'm not asking if we should re stream or not. I'm asking for a video that talks more in depth about the algorithms behind RUclips and Facebook livestreams. How to gain them etc. I know the old make content outside of twitch and redirect that content to twitch, what if I dont want to stream on twitch? What's the % of lost discoverability of a stream vs a video on RUclips, do you need to be making youtube videos that redirect to the RUclips channel??? The video we are asking for has not been made.
Here's the main gist with RUclips. First, you need to find that game that you can absolutely grind content from. Whether this be some multiplayer shooter, or RPGs that can take hours upon hours to do. This will allow you to grab potential content to make a vid with. Also, be sure not to be one of the vid uploaders who change games every vid. This is okay to do once you gain a big enough following, but people will likely not watch you if the 'habit' isn't there. Second, you will want to find the particular niche you find enjoyable to do. Do you enjoy fooling around in fps'? Maybe go for a funny vid/moments compilation. Are you a psychopath with the skills of a god? Compliation of your most skillful plays. Enjoy lore? Maybe seek a more game lore centric channel. Third, remain consistent. If you upload one or two vids a week with guaranteed content, you will be doing better than most RUclips uploaders. Don't sacrifice quality for quantity (unless you are a god at getting potential interesting/funny content) because the quality will hook the viewer. Fourth, try to enjoy what you do! Don't think of it primarily as a business, but as something fun you can/will do. When people get into the business mindset, they tend to find far less enjoyment in what they do. It's like working a 9 to 5. If you aren't finding enjoyment in it, you will view it as a paycheck grind, and quality is likely to take a dip. Fifth, the stats you view will show things like viewership, ad revenue, and the likes. Don't be afraid to familiarize yourself with the stat viewboard once you have it, as seeing a loss in viewers may help you pinpoint a potential cause. As I always say, dream for the moon, but aim for the stratosphere. If you can make it there, you may just be able to make it to the moon.
I think this is very true. I had a similar experience with crossfit a couple years ago where people thought they could get famous by grinding it. And there was one comment that stuck in my head, a friend said to another "What would you tell me now if I told you I will be an NBA player? we all laughed..." It is the same in crossfit, twitch, youtube, instagram, you name it. Some people just don´t get it yet because it is "new". Great talk dude, love these hard truths that NEED to be told.
I think something that has to be said here is that there are a lot of people who don't understand what really leads someone to that "top 1%". It's very difficult for most people to objectively view their own value to viewers because they can't admit to themselves the differences between themselves and the top streamers. Are you a pro gamer signed to an organization? Are you a model-tier attractive hot girl? Are you at least top 1% elo in whatever game you're playing? Does the game you're playing even get viewers? Are you actually funny? Are you well known within an online community or someone who's already a streamer, and do you know how to network and branch that out to more people? There are a lot more things that factor into it, just like timing. A lot of what people attribute to "luck" is actually just a lot of what I mentioned above; people aren't honest enough with themselves to say that there isn't really much that's remarkably unique about them or their stream to entice a large audience to find it, so when they see someone who has done it they say they got lucky. In a sense, a lot of it is luck. You can't really control how good you are at video games. You can't really control how funny you are. You can't really control how attractive you are. You can become better at these things, sure, but if you're not already hot, or already top 2% in your game, or already known as someone who makes people laugh a lot, you're not going to magically become better than shroud at video games, or hotter than (insert x name) titty streamer, or funnier than (funny guy) just because you spend 8 hours a day "grinding" in your basement. Putting a lot of time into something only progresses you if you're actually progressing something with intention. People take the "I'm streaming because I want it to be my career" mindset on as an excuse to just game all day without feeling bad about it.
I would say no you can’t be attractive on command. But you can take comedy classes and you can get better at video games. It won’t most likely make you all of a sudden a good streamer. But it will at least give it a bit more value
@@jadenyuki5647 I already said you can improve at these things. It still doesn't matter. There's a problem that this sort of thinking can lead to, and it's apparent in a lot of streamers. They think to themselves, "well, I'm not funny or good at games right now, but if I GRIND then eventually I will be." The problem is that if you want to become "successful" at twitch, ie 400+ viewers and partnered and making enough money to live off of, it's not enough. You have to either be one of the best gamers on the planet, one of the funniest people on the website, or one of the most well-known and connected people in the scene with other people that have made it. Viewers funnel to the top. If you don't believe me, just look at all of the league / CS:GO / etc. streamers who have "daimond 1", or "global MM" or whatever these fucking ranks are in their stream titles. Nobody gives a flying fuck, when there are pros playing and making your mediocre gameplay look like dog shit. And even some of them get less viewers than the people who just got lucky enough to become content creators early on before the saturation.
Jaden Yuki, the problem is if you start streaming and you’re at the 70th percentile, who cares. You’re terrible and why would anyone watch you. If it’s a stream built around improving, then you need to be at least the 1% trying to be the best.
I feel like people obsess over making this a career isn’t healthy. I started streaming but I still have my job. I do management for large companies and do web applications on the side. Coding is what I really want to do for a living but it’s fun to stream.
Spot on Devin. I really enjoy watching you on twitch and LEARNING a lot of good things to help build myself into a better streamer. I really love doing this and see this as my opportunity to leave behind history for my future kids and grandkids. I mostly lurk on live stream but thats because I have you up on my tv while i’m prepping meals or doing work around the house
Hi! I’m a new RUclipsr and was hoping I could have a little support! I started about 2 years ago and have already grown a successful amount! I do lots of cool vids and love and notice every single subscriber, thank you!!!!!
I am streaming on twitch and definitely putting my pride and joy into streaming whether or not people come but when I watched this video it didn't crush my dreams. It fueled me even more to create and push to other websites so that I can get my name out there, While learning something I can make a career out of in the background like being a paramedic. I smiled through this video cause he isn't crushing dreams, he's showing you what you got to do and what its really like so ill definitely keep moving forward!!!! Thank You
I really appreciated this video, I've felt the unsuccessful side of twitch and this has cleared a lot of questions for me. Thank you very much for the knowledge and what you do for the community.
I found you from a interview you did with mizkif 🙌💯 I was looking up something specific and you seem to have the niche almost basically all to yourself 💯🙌 genius 🙏
He's very right! Its very easy yet hard.. I don't stream but sometimes I like to have a look on the bottom side of twitch and watch 1 viewer streams to see what they're like and how they present themselves in terms of how they react to my questions etc. And most of them well very dull, either didn't answer my questions, answered and just kept quiet didn't talk, some didn't even care i was there. There are some people who are insanely good at a game but just really hard to watch, vibe is off just unbearable and this is where they fail.. No bond between the streamer and their viewers.
Im so happy I found Devin, nobody is as real as he is when he talks about the reality of streaming. Constantly link his videos to my friends who are blind about the reality of streaming that say that they will get as big as shroud.
You sound like a terrible friend. Why link some shit to kill their hopes instead of leading them to something else they may enjoy instead of streaming 😂
@@tregainsfitness4928 Oh I definitely let them enjoy it. Even help them out with tips and watch their streams to give them feedback on what they need to improve on but if you're a real friend you curb their hopes to a more realistic level. Instead of letting them believe they will be the next Ninja or Shroud. I had to learn this the hard way and I watch out for my homies so they play the game and don't get played by the game.
Thank you for that. It takes around 1000 hours to become good enough in a computer language to code professionally. I see people spend 12 hours a day gaming and/or streaming. At this rate, you could master a language in about 3 months. There's so many with 4000 to 5000 hours in a game, trying to be good and get in e-sports. The "learn to code" meme is quite old, but it's true, you can make so much money at any time afterwards, in companies, or simply rent-a-programmer, little 200 to 500$ contracts to program little tools people need and don't have time or skills to program. You can have a dream to join a huge company, maybe even creating games, but can be something smaller, like creating an Android app in your spare time and maybe have it blow up or at least give you a nice car, some computer rigs, a music studio, finance whatever you really want to happen. Entertainment is nice, i have nothing against streaming or gaming, it's awesome, it let you relax, improve your coordination, your decision making skills, but it's really unrealistic to think you'll have a career as a professional. You never either, even if you become very popular and make a living out of it, you don't know if you gonna be cancelled, your account deleted for false copyright strikes or anything. You can't put all your eggs in the same basket.
@A11 Pr0duct Yes of course. What i usually advice people is to start with C, C++ or Python, depending what you intend do to. Linux and other open-sources communities are also awesome. If you can start a little program, run it, check the sources and figure out what everything does, how it's doing it, it would be a wonderful start. When you will have found your favourite language, because we all have one, buying a book, or finding an ebook online if you don't have the budget, would be best. When you feel comfortable, you may want to try creating a tool to do something. Github or any Git you can find, you will have an history of all commits, bug fixes, new features implementations, It's a golden age to learn how to code.
@@malakilab you've got me inspired to learn to code mate. You said to start with C, C++ or Python depending on what we intend to do - could you expand on what each of them is used for?
@@cazzamabob Python is great at creating something quick. It have extensive libraries to be able to do about anything, but it's interpreted, which have pros and cons, not really the most optimized language if you want performance, on the other side, it's cross-platform and easy to use. When you go the C/C++ route, i'd say it's the hard road, they can be compiled with extreme optimizations, aggressive memory control, can be used for limited hardware also, for example programming microcontrollers or such. There's plenty others, especially if you want to develop web projects. There's so many languages and options out there. You could also go for Java, even if i am not a fan myself, but you would be able to code Android apps and whatnot, if it's what's getting you the most interested, some have rather good experience with putting innovative apps on the store, it becomes somewhat a passive income, even if you have to update and bugfix sometimes. Hope you're going to get forward in programming, it's a nice go to if you are short on money and everything is getting digital these days.
@Lunatic41521 Yes of course. It is part of growing up. You can do it as a hobby, in free time, to relax. Some people are not shaped for it. It's the same thing you say to a young fellow who desperately want to be a football, soccer, hockey, baseball or any major leagues, or heck, even playing Chess. If you don't have what it takes to be a professional, make a living out of it. If you have 1% chance of succeeding, which is a pretty far fetch estimation, i would estimate it more in the 0.1% of success, it would be wise to acquire other skills, put more time in energy in something you are less passionate about, but will be able to provide you a decent quality of life, a plan B, instead of putting all your eggs in the same basket and end up having problems paying your bill, having a girlfriend, buying a car, because your dropped everything else, failed and now have to work at Wendy's. A lot of the game developers i know failed to be professional players and reoriented their toward that same Plan B, creating something they love instead of just playing it and hope to be donated a decent living wage. It's being responsible in life.
i can see that but when i'm trying to search for a game category and 30 streams i would never even consider watching pop up instead of the game it's pretty annoying
I really enjoyed this video - mostly because of your passion about the subject and how real you were. Super relatable and made me reflect on a lot of things, thanks.
Watched and listened to it twice well needed and its important to take notes on key points. Biggest one is planting seeds where they wont grow which goes back to not building or marketing yourself daily. The top percent utilized it !!!
You have to stream at a young age when there’s time. Time for someone that works 5 days a week makes it literally hard to build in streaming. Time is crucial and at an older age there is no time.
Take the time when you have a day off or are sitting down to play a game. You don't have tonstream for 8hrs a day. We only stream for a couple hours per stream and it works really well. We also have a stream where we play as a family and it is one of our more popular shows.
@@bronnythebard5459 You have to realize there is so much to do. The biggest platform is youtube. You need to constantly be uploading videos on youtube, engaging on twitter and instagram and marketing your twitch stream on those platforms. On top of that, putting in time to actually stream. If you have the money to pay someone to take care of those platforms for you, it's a win win. Success comes from youtube first then twitch.
I get what you are saying and I understand it. That is the main reason I have a weekly stream on RUclips instead of uploading videos and we have experienced growth because those live streams stay up ongoing so people can watch after the fact or use my table of contents to pick the particular quest they are looking for.
"People message me and say I'm going to be the next ninja, you wait and see and of course they don''t". Or do they? For all we know there is a newly trained warrior assassin out there waiting for the right moment to strike monkaS
Dude, you have opened my eyes regarding broadcasting on Twitch. I was on Mixer prior to the move to Twitch. I grinded my backside off to reach 700 followers on Mixer before the goal post was moved to 2k. I burnt myself out being a 'busy fool' and made 2315 followers with 1 partnership application refusal before mixer died. I have always thought I have been quite good at games, knowledgeable when asked about them, funny at times, can do a great Capt. Price impression. Never really had the viewership. You have hit the nail on the head here, I have plans and aspirations for broadcasting as you can see from my logo I am part of a PUBG comp team. We are new but have the quality I think to make something of it. Your vods have helped clear a lot of doubts I have been having, no joke you should be a therapist lol. Keep up the hard work and doing what your doing. People like me really need people like you right now and it's a breath of fresh air that for once someone is not sugar coating something. #run for president lol
I’ve always wanted to stream but I also make music. I’m thankful that my music is finally popping off on other platforms so I took my small tight fan base over to twitch this week! Just have to stream for a few more days and I’ll hit affiliate. I average about 15-20 viewers but usually cap at like 30-40 from people popping in. I’ll say this. Twitch is like making Music and The first and most important thing is that, you NEED talent and some sort of niche to where people will be attracted to you. I have Tourette syndrome so a lot of my music is for people with Tourette and I try to be as real as I can with music and My goal was to make a discord where strangers can become friends , play games, hangout , network and just have a place for positivity where people can be themselves and I’ve been grinding for like 6-7 years now and I’m just now seeing my progress. Going to open mics, booking my own shows, sending my music to music reviews , free styling at parties , and going to anime conventions and PAX to meet people. I actually met a streamer named rajjtv and rapped with some guy playing guitar while he was live streaming, so networking is half the battle It’s so much more than just making a song and posting it. So with twitch you can’t just start streaming and nothing else. It’s a hard pill people have to swallow. I’m NOWHERE even close to where I want to be but I’m finally opening the doors and I gotta say to anyone with a dream. It’s possible but it is NOT easy. You will wanna quit, nobody will give a fuck. Also my final advice from my experience. Don’t waste your time turning friends into fans. They’ll support but not on the level fans that don’t know you will
100% all the time. When I was writing out my blog, I tried to give that same harsh reality to those that you arent going to make. Hell, I knew I wasn't going to big bc I set realistic goals for myself. If I blow up, cool beans. But it always kills me when I see ppl say "I QUIT FT JOB TO BECOME A FULL TIME STREAMER" when they dont have any stability. Thank you for sharing and spitting out the truth.
I've used both RUclips and Twitch over the years and I obtained way bigger success on RUclips than on Twitch, in spite of my content being similar across both. Never really figured it out so I just focused on the RUclips end more.
Twitch and streaming and content creation is not something that when you put in the hard work you are 100% guaranteed to be successful. Yes. Making your streams very creative. Utilizing social media platforms and having an entertaining stream increases your chances at being successful but it's not 100%. I kinda like to compare it to other professions you can go to school to become a doctor and when you put in that hard work you 100% will become a doctor that will be your profession you will work as a doctor. Streaming is NOT that. Putting in 8 hrs a day won't make you the next big streamer. Grinding 8 hrs a day won't make you successful.
Working smart > working hard always has been always will be. People don’t understand that. They are told by thousands of people as they grow up to work hard... when working hard will mostly take forever and often times won’t work. “Grinding” is terrible for your health. If it doesn’t obviously work and your burning yourself out, than you need to stop. Working smart works every time. Every single time. My dad makes a living on RUclips not because he worked hard and made consistent content, but because he worked smart. The things he does don’t take a lot of mental strength. So he doesn’t get burned out. Every single billionaire you know worked smart. Sure they have worked hard in the past but that isn’t why they are rich. Work Smart > Work Hard
Why am I addicted to Devin Nash's videos? I watch all of them now. They are so interesting, insightful, and honest. I've become a fan. Thanks for the videos and info!
I think people will be very depressed in 10 years when they look back and see that they spent 40 to 70 hours a week streaming and realize it was all for nothing.
I think the take away is to honestly evaluate your progress and decide if its worth continuing if you have to learn new things. The grind to me means like every 2 weeks upping your game in some way not doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Great video. I think a really important thing to know that I hear from a lot of streamers is that a lot of the newer people on twitch that do get big, are big somewhere else. Being big/ famous on another site or community is really important these days just to even get a start. Streaming isn't just streaming anymore. You need social media presence, youtube content, a pre built community, all of that. Even all of that doesn't guarantee anything at all, but it is a really important part of what it means to be a content creator in this decade. Esfand is a great example of this. RUclips was his begining, and he built a massive community off of his videos and his classic private server streams.
Real question I just started streaming last month (July) on Twitch and my avg views is 10, max views on a day 18-25 viewers. I’m growing about 2-4 views a week. Are these good numbers to continue?
depends on how popular your primary category is. If the peak of the category is only 1000 then you aren't going to be able to live off of twitch alone.
my big mistake i did was organizing an event thinking i would gain discoverability. i want to build something from the ground up. my step, realisticaly, did not make sense. everytime i listen to your talks, i learn something new but i have a big problem in terms of executing stuff. i hate making mistakes but i know i learn from them also.
11:40: Thats wrong, Live Streaming SHOULD teach you: Commitment, self presentation, self awareness, presentation skills (massive), mastering the tech of the future of entertainment, speaking freely without a script or telepromter, moderating a crowd, JUST as an example.
there is a lot of research supporting the growth mindset concept. the thing is you do have to want it but at the same time, i do think you need to see some results before quitting your day job. For example if you are starting your business, you just dont go from working mc donalds to taking a loan out and starting the business. You have to take steps to get there and know you're on a path to doing it :)
These are concepts that you have said various times in other videos, but you've summed them up very well under this "Twitch Streamer" topic! I'm gonna share it around, thanks for the content Devin :)
I really aspire to be as well versed in a subject as Devin is in content creation and media. If I had the money I would totally pay $100 a year just to listen to a podcast of stuff like this.
I streamed for 4 and half years averaging like 10 viewers. And all of a sudden blew up on rogue company and blew up over night with 2 lucky hosts. Honestly twitch is alot of luck and people shouldn't look at this like a job until they are really making an income back from it. I am the epitome of the lucky break. I'm now averaging 700-1000 viewers a stream for 3 weeks straight
More than any motivational post or video online about streaming, ive needed to see this video and will continue to watch this video every time i get stagnant. Im not a 3 viewer andy but im not summit either and this video has woken me up to something ive been putting off for a long time which is diversity of content. Thanks for this video :) Hopefully i can come back to this video each time with progress made 🤞🏽
The only way to get big on your first stream is to already be known by the community. For example Michael Reeves was already know by all of the offline TV fans so fans from lilypichu, pokimane, scarra, and disguised toast and I believe that in Michael's RUclips community a decent part of the people watching his videos watched twitch already.
It's all about community and doing whatever you can to bring in traffic. A streamer i watch a lot went from an average of 45-60 viewers after streaming a crazy amount of hours a week for 5 or 6 years. He managed to get partnered because the top streamer for the game he streams in played vs him in a match and gave him a lot of praise as being a really nice guy and fun to play vs. That single instance of being known in the community to a point where the big streamer praised him a lot got him partnered within a month. He went from the 45-60 viewers to 150-200 viewers. People drastically under value how essential the community aspect can be in games.
Been streaming for 7/8ish months now got 200 followers 5 subs and Ill try to stay active on youtube around 15 to 20 viewers avarage for me this already is more then I hoped for anything more would be great ofcourse but main reason I stream is I play the game anyways so I might as well just stream it and entertain people with it. For me it makes gaming more fun because im interacting with new people
Regardless of your religion, tribe, ideology, your struggles and strife, your identity and it's actualization; it's an inescapable fact of the world that you'll always be at it's whim. To understand that - to truly grasp the sheer scale of the momentum that the universe possesses completely ignorant of your existence and suffering - to honestly internalize and understand that, and then wake up every day trying to live up to your own mystical dreams is either commendable bravery or utter foolishness. The two threads argue one side each. But it's both at the same time. If you understand your odds though and still make honest effort, you have my respect.
I like this. I think the mindset you talked about in other videos about not caring if twitch falls through is much healthier for our mental than putting all of our eggs into this volatile basket.
I'm a small streamer that hit affiliate in 5 weeks of streaming. I'm not looking to get famous/rich on twitch. I work a full time job and I stream in my free time. I rather have a very small community or loyal people.
this is the same approach I am going for. As far as scheduling for your viewers, do you have a schedule set up on your channel or does work prohibit you from doing that? I'm curious because I know I can stream almost everyday but I also have work as well.
There is definitely skill involved in becoming a streamer. The reason you “grind” everyday with no growth is because you don’t market, branch out, build community, work to IMPROVE your craft. Think smarter not harder people
I so glad I found out about Devin Nash from a friend. I love the content he puts out and he really puts things into perspective. I only started trying to stream on twitch earlier this year as a hobby and I want to pick it back up again as I loved to meet new people and talk to them about there favorite game or thing to do. Thank you Devin Nash for all your hard work and information.
All these smalls streamers put zero effort into being entertaining. Do they really think they're interesting enough for complete strangers to watch them, when they're playing video games with their friends, the same thing millions of people do every day?
I sincerely agree. The number of streamers on Twitch I have seen that have zero talent, have repellent personalities and do nothing entertaining yet spend their broadcasts hectoring what viewers they have for donations is frankly astounding. If you had told me 20+ years ago that such a thing would exist I would have thought you had stolen the concept from some obscure dystopian sci-fi novel. As Devin says, "you have to come from a place of value first" and these people offering nothing of value yet expect it to be raining cash and adoration on them. It quite seriously obliterates my mind.
i 100% agree with you. I started streaming last year but thats because I thought it would be fun and interesting to talk to people around the world. I didn't start streaming because i wanted to make money or become partner. I started streaming to help me boost my confidence on improving my skills on animation/ drawing since thats what i am studying to become, a animator/ storyboard artist and seeing if my work makes people happy. i feel bad when people donate to me because i feel like i didn't earn it. I only stream games that i enjoy playing, and drawing/ animating. Common things people stream. The highest someone has donate to me is $25, and to me its a lot of money, i am grateful for it but at the same time, i rather people just follow my channel or accounts from other platforms than donate to me because to me, dropping a follow means you like my work, which gives me confidence knowing i can actually make people happy.
You're a lot more likely to be successful in RUclips for sure. I've seen plenty of small RUclips channels get big, it just takes years of consistent content creation and a ton of talent (or no talent depending on luck). Twitch is the complete opposite, you have hardly any control and your skill is unmeasured by others looking to discover you.
Truth bomb dropped. Great advice! Work smarter not harder. I'm glad there's someone out there like this helping everyone in the community. This needed to be said.
Thats extremely stupid. Work hard is way bigger then working "smart" the better decision is the one that requires the most effort, aka the "harder" decision.
Been hearing this for a while now. Twitch has no discoverability. It sounds better to cut your twitch vods into interesting RUclips content. I have heard devin say many youtubers only stream because they are bored once their video of the day is uploaded so they hang out playing games. In other instances there are people like Hachuby who started on RUclips and learned how to make content from other youtubers. Then tailors their twitch stream to be segments of youtube content later.
To be bluntly honest with this, I agree with him and everything he says. Making a career over streaming isnt just about sitting and playing game, you have to do everything else. editing videos, marketing, selling the product and etc. Everyone see's all these big streamers and head on over there to think its as easy as it is, when in truth it isnt. There is a lot of hardwork one has to put in for you to grow. Set realistic goals, baby steps, move up and always keep moving. hit a problem? find a solution on how to solve it. Most streamers Ive seen who are new, just come on board for a few months and vanish afterwards cause they dont realise how hard it is. If Twitch isnt working, find another platform. Never give up. Thanks for the honest POV Devin. Take care
To make it on Twitch, you either have to be very good at what you do, or be very entertaining, that alone eliminates a lot of people. You can be very entertaining for a 10 minute RUclips video, or upload your best highlights, but when you're live for 3 or 4 hours, it becomes much more difficult to keep people watching you
I streamed on Twitch 6 days a week every night after work starting in 2014. In the first two years, I grew to around 3500 followers, averaged around 75-100 viewers per stream, and maintained around 50-60 paid subscribers. I even spread the content out by just doing live gaming on Twitch while uploading tutorials and reviews to RUclips.
Last year (August 2019) I finally called it quits after 4 years because there was just no more growth. I tried other things to make the content more entertaining and played with my time slot a bit to be more accessible to a wider audience but the numbers pretty much stayed the same. And I had to keep up that pace or I would fall behind. I took a week off once for personal reasons and lost 45 of my 60 paid subscribers.
It just wasn't worth my time anymore. When I started I never had the goal of being partnered or making a career out of it. It just seemed like an amusing way to enjoy my gaming hobby. But by the end, it was becoming an unhealthy, frustrating obsession. So I shut the channel down and walked away.
Hey man, hope things are better for you now. Thanks for sharing.
Do you think you'd ever sell your account?
I can relate to that although I never got near the numbers you did. I streamed for about 2-3 months and my channel took off. Sadly, my father passed so I took a year off to heal and my numbers have never been the same. You work so hard for just a single follower and it takes nothing at all to lose them. Thanks for sharing your story man, it really puts things in perspective.
That’s pretty sad bro, the grind keeps on going but it’s interesting how yo recognized that there was no more roll for growth, what are you doing now a days?!
@Rellik wdym bro, ppl who have gotten crazy success from transitions from RUclips onto twitch; tommywillsoit, etc..
Most streamers on twitch I found through RUclips and that just goes to show lmao
Fax I’ve nvr found a streamer solely through seeing them on the discover page I either see them from RUclips or someone else’s twitch stream...who I also found from RUclips 😂
Same that's how I found Harris Heller and Danucd, Didn't really get into Twitch till my buddy asked me to watch one of his streams and then I got curious and explored the site a bit
Same
Hi! I’m a new RUclipsr and was hoping I could have a little support! I started about 2 years ago and have already grown a successful amount! I do lots of cool vids and love and notice every single subscriber, thank you!!!!!
I streamed on twitch for over a year. Never grew and never got any momentum. I moved to youtube and grew to over 100k subs in 9 months.
I have friends that REFUSE to move to youtube and stay streaming to 2 viewers on twitch because "RUclips is trash." I tell them that they have to have content elsewhere because Twitch isn't made for growth. They never listen.
I told one friend to come to youtube when I was at 10k subs on youtube. They refused because "youtube mistreats it's creators." They are still on twitch streaming to 2 people. I am about it hit 150k. I just don't understand why people are afraid of growth.
I even got made fun of from a small twitch streamer playing my favorite game because I said in chat that I play it on youtube and used to on twitch. The streamer and chat made fun of me the rest of the stream because, "youtube isn't a real streaming platform." The streamer even stopped the game he was speedrunning to make fun of me for like 10 minutes. Was really weird. Twitch is elitist in that weird way.
Great video.
they don’t believe in themselves enough, probably resentful and jealous of you
do you stream on youtube? or just make videos
@@7dogguy both
@@CAMELOT331 thanks for the reply have nice morning
I hope gamestop dies this year
Harris Heller is the #1 example of watching someone literally grow his twitch through content on RUclips.
And he grew on twitch by making videos about to grow on twitch hahaha 😆
Daytons what?
@@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 I've seen his videos since he has only a few thousand subs. He made videos about how to become a streamer on twitch when he himself had minimal viewership. But, by making videos about how to grow your stream he grew his stream.
His strategy worked for him and his subs because it's good advice.
I mean pretty much everybody does this on twitch. Xqc, mizkif, hasann, destiny, the list goes on and on. Xqc is massive now, hitting over 50k every stream.
It's kind of hilarious that people think they can just get an audience without any form of marketing, outreach, branding. Imagine if a company treated a product like that?
I have a fairly good job, I also play a lot of games in my spare time. I just steam that stuff and then upload that onto RUclips as well. It’s just fun for me and make a little extra money.
so apex?
ben ratz is that pretty common on apex lol
@Yaiga not on Twitch.
@Yaiga Twitch is a prison streamers voluntarily live in or even lock themselves into.
I've been streaming for 2 and a half years now. It's always bothered me how people view "grinding" on Twitch. This is the message I sent to someone who said he didn't want to make RUclips videos after he asked me how to grow on Twitch but didn't like my advice.
"Well, I'm just going to be blunt because I've had a lot of people ask me what you are, and I always advise people to do YT because it's genuinely the best way to get growth and most people don't take that advice and just stream on twitch and go nowhere.
They do it because it's easy to stream on twitch and just say "well I'm streaming, that counts as trying" and they continue to stay stagnant because all they really want to do is play games and/or pretend like it's a job. Then they justify zero growth by saying they are "working", and it's okay because "working" is a good thing. Growing on social media is much more than just playing games or being good at a game. For 0.001% of streamers, they can get away with "just playing", but for the rest it has to be more than that."
Giving people realistic advice about their "business" means you do care. You'd warn your friends if they had a restaurant business that was failing...you should warn your friends if they are doing the same thing on Twitch. It's good to see you make this video because it reinforces my stance on the topic.
I just finished my first month and did a video speaking about exactly this. It’s mind blowing how many people think that in 2020 you can grow on twitch just because of seat time and being live. You don’t grow on twitch, you grow everywhere else and you bring that to twitch. Refusal to do that just dooms you
go off sir
Preach!
You sound like a good friend to have. Thumbs up my dude
Great job!
300-400 avg. viewer Andy here, for anyone that wants to grow some quick tips that might help you out to get out of the "starter zone"
- Focus on 1 main game, dont try to stream variety so you have people discovering you through the niche you are in
- You NEED to create content outside of Twitch, dedicate more time to actually doing this than streaming
- Understand that your stream only lives in the moment/vod which is worth close to nothing, stream things that you turn into youtube videos
- You will need to learn how to edit, use photoshop and get actual skills for this business
- Please for the love of god test your audio before you go live, way too many fuck this part up
While this is only a little bit of personal advice, pretty much the best thing you can do which I guarantee you will put you in the 1% is to ACTUALLY DO WHAT DEVIN SAYS. Even though he created an exact guide on how to get to 100 viewers, people just dont follow the steps. Harris Heller (alpha gaming) helps with this as well. But you DO HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO IT. And well, 99%+ of people thinking they will do it and are motivated will end up doing absolutely nothing and then wonder why they see no results. Hope this helps, need to be honest because too many won't listen when you present it in a nicer way
Yep can definitely agree with that. I'd add a few things:
Find a small & niche game where there isn't too much competition. Main focus should always be providing good quality content. Be active around that community! Cheers 👍
Dude Harris Heller gives such great advice. Love that dudes channel
You’re the best man
Vimp Gaming totally agree!
This is so true!
I am someone who prefers "On Demand" shows as opposed to having to schedule around entertainment. As such I almost NEVER visit twitch. However, Clips from twitch, or sometimes entire streams will get a watch from me on youtube instead. So I 100% agree with the point that you shouldn't just keep streaming more on twitch to gain more viewers.
Its anecdotal, but I believe many other people are similar.
The best way to be popular is litteraly rage like crazy
@@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman *cough* dellor *cough*
Movie idea: In a world...where Twitch is an actual city full of dreamers with zero chance of hitting the big time. Original music has been outlawed and your only chance to make it out is your Beatles cover band. Can you win the battle of the bands and avoid a DMCA strike?
No amount nanoleaf panels can help. Its all up to you you...
lol
Sounds more like a video game idea
These cities exist. They are called LA and NYC
This is absolutely true, and more people need to pay attention to this and be honest with themselves. I'm "another one of those" in the group of successful on youtube/twitch and the original intent was never to "be a career youtuber/streamer".
"Successful"
Actually, he was wrong. Pokimane and Asmon did start with the intent of making it big. Especially Asmon.
I agree with you 100%. I stream for 10/12 people today, sometimes i reach 30, but im not doing this for the money or anything like it. Im just playing the games that i wanna play and interacting to people. Im improving the quality of the stream as i go, but im not doing this expecting to making it my living, and its just a realistic way to aproacth it. I have a job and the streaming hobby. Daydreaming of being the top 1% isnt good, if goes right and the successes come great, but it hardly will come, and people have to acknowledge it.
Sorry if i misspelled, brazillian here hahaha
Just to clarify:
He’s not saying it’s impossible to become the next Ninja/sodapoppin/DrDisrespect/Pokimane. He’s not even really saying it’s unlikely. He’s saying that you shouldn’t EXPECT to become the top 1% or like the platform owes you a living or a successful career, because it doesn’t. A lot of people start streaming for the hope of making money and that’s the wrong way to go about it.
Streaming should be a hobby and because you enjoy it, above all else. Success may come as a byproduct, but it never comes as the main goal.
It seems we listened to different videos
@@wannabe2700 how so? Did I not cover the things Devin literally said in his video?
@@Adam0193Official Any chance less than 50% is unlikely to me.
I simply disagree on the topic about "don't do it for the money" I am one who is a streamer and did it for the money. I just have a realistic expectations. you can have any motivation and goals but the expectation should always be applied.
@@rebornnora It is this primarily. Don't start expecting to be the next Tyler. Start expecting to actually put in the work and MAKE yourself grow, not just grind until you "get lucky".
You often forget about collaborations, I've seen streamers in just chatting getting hundreds of viewers on their first stream mere minutes after creating their accounts. This happend because they were guests on an other streamers stream and decided or were even asked to start their own streaming career. Just chatting is a big community on twitch now and collabs are the way to grow there.
100% agree with this, I get spammed by dozens of people from all around the world everyday with big dreams of doing what we do and it’s hard to take a dump on their dreams knowing that I just got lucky
Now, it may be more attributed to luck, due to how typically easy it is to get a rookie setup, and the amount of other people you have to contend with. The main problem people have is consistency. If you don't set a schedule for your streams, or interact with people in chat, it's very easy to lose people's interests. Would you rather watch a guy who streams consistently between certain hours, or wait on a guy who may pop on to stream once or twice every couple of weeks? Most people will always choose the person who is consistent and engaging. You also need to find your niche to set you apart from everyone. xQc got to where he is by being an absolute psychopath on stream at times. Shroud, through his chill and laid back demeanor and fps skills.
Realistically, everyone could potentially grow a small to medium sized following if they found their best "niche", were more interactive, and streamed on a consistent schedule. It may take a few years to find your following, but it will grow in time.
You create your own luck through consistent effort.
@@fatthorgames724 the luck that depends on others is not controlled by you. but yeah if u keep making streams u must get some money out of it.
@@harpiessnow TRUTH
Really amazing talk, Devin!! The most important part is the life lesson you spoke on at the end: the feeling of entitlement or belief you are owed something will not get you anywhere and will only ruin the false expectations set!
You don't have to be famous or to be "successful" you just have to be the best you can be. Enjoy what you do, develop a community. That is what its really all about. Entertaining others and making the people watching your stream feel that they are apart of something bigger.
I feel that every twitch user needs to be aware of this video, especially the younger generation
I'm glad I found this video I'm not saying like really young but I consider 16 yrs old to be on the up and up
It's been really interesting streaming/youtubing/twitter and facebooking the last 2 months. Kind of starting to get a better grasp on video editing but still struggling to find that main topic or idea of myself. Maybe i'll never have a good idea what type of content I want to bring to the table? But regardless I still want to just create content so I can hopefully figure out what makes me unique... Thanks for the great insight Devin.
When you want to explain the difference between Twitch and RUclips, just explain it as live theater vs. film. The money is in Hollywood not Broadway.
Mic drop....
Goddamn.
Spot on.
i like the analogy
I feel like I'm one of the few that started streaming on Twitch for something other than monetary gain. I had discovered a game I thought my cousin, who lives in a different town, would enjoy. So I created a Twitch account in order to stream the game play for him.
That was five years ago. I found that I enjoyed streaming, and kept with it. Now it's a paying hobby. That was something I hadn't even considered as a possibility back then.
Looking at my analytics, I see now that my most successful stream had over 300 concurrent viewers. So to Devin's point, starting with idea of becoming big is the wrong way (in my experience) to go about it. Do it because you enjoy it, not because you think you'll be the next Ninja.
There’s no such thing as a bad motivation, only bad action. I keep working hard and make it more likely for me to get discovered all for the sake of money and opportunities. Of course I have to have expectations but doesn’t mean I have to change my motivation and goes along the line of what’s the “right way” why you are on twitch
@@rebornnora
I will disagree on a technicality; bad motivations do exist (such as doing something for the express purpose of bringing some kind of harm [physical , emotional or financial] to another). But that's being pedantic and nit-picky. 😉
I take your point, though. But do you enjoy it? Or has the grind sapped the joy out of it? I'd argue that as long as you get enjoyment and/or satisfaction from streaming, then you're in a good place.
Your missing the point, hes saying do it if you want to make money and be ninja, but you have to treat it like a business and work at all aspects of it for years, which is not just sitting grinding play hours on twitch.
@@rebornnora The problem is that this is no different than people who try to get into weight lifting. While it is good to have GOALS, your main motivation should be that it is enjoyable to do, and not to have to many EXPECTATIONS. Expectations are a motivation killer. If you purely streamed because you wanted to be the next Ninja, Shroud, sac, TtTM, or Summit then you are going to be disheartened after a year or two of slow growth, or disheartened when you hit the inevitable plateau you need to break through. Most streamers collapse when they hit that plateau because they want to be like those big name streamers and make it big after just a year or two. You can always have goals that you wish to meet, but they should never be your expectations and expectations should be low to the point of 'expecting' to have fun doing it. Dream for the moon, but aim for the stratosphere first.
@@harpiessnow My only one true goal is to have a twitch as a career. Many people either are too worrisome because of a person certain goal and motivation, they want to persuade their idea or else they might see another streamer quitting and lose hope. i could say that i am working out solely mainly because i want to look good in front of women. Trainers or regulars at the gym may see that lack of resolve but I am still working my butt off and I don't see myself quitting or losing hope. Same as me still going for the twitch career, i am not stopping. I do have expectations but its not enough to make me lose hope. I encounter hard walls and still do but at this point, my dream is my life.
This kind of reminds me of a quote by Einstein - "The true definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something to change." I felt that kinda sums up the twitch mentality pretty well.
low key, it's super gratifying to hear you say this. specifically the RUclips vs twitch stuff. been trying to convince a friend who is wanting to get into streaming to stream on RUclips and to at least cut their streams into more digestible videos with less filler and this video in large explained my perspective + some. thank you for this type of content.
I like how people try to knock u down from pursuing a dream just because they see it as a “waste of time”
Really appreciate your shows Devin! Grinding has made me demotivated but videos like these just help me realize I don't need to make money and be successful on twitch I can just enjoy it.
I literally just stream stuff I’m already going to play anyways i feel like its helping me become less shy and i have more fun when im playing single player games. I don’t care if i get big i just wanna meet new people and have even a few people who enjoy my content. I do use youtube as well though
I just stream for fun. A few hours on a few days per week. I feel that's enough. I don't need statistics. I don't need growth. I just wanna do my thing, and have fun with that.
That's a mindset too.
Fr bro that’s how I feel rn not really too concerned w getting big or famous just getting use to doing it ya know?
It is not. That era pasted 5 years ago. Did you watch the video?
@@TransilvanianHunger1334 The fuck are you even on about?
That’s why I want to stream, too. Having less than 20 viewers would be fine with me lol
This is good life advise in general. I tried for so long to make my dream work only to realize it was not possible, ever. I would never be a top archaeologist in the world. I looked ta my life and what I had and made something of it. Turns out I love being a paramedic so it was worth realizing what I am actually capable of doing.
Thank you for posting this.
No one will learn, if they aren't taught.
No one starts out with all the skills, all the knowledge and know how.
We all need people like you to just lay it all out.
And you aren't belittling about it (like I've seen others do)
You aren't bursting people's bubbles, instead you are teaching people to be realistic, see what they need to do, what to realistically expect, and how to go about starting out.
You gained a subscriber just for this alone.
Big truth here. Devin you've been a godsend, your advice for growing on a social platform has changed the way I think in the past month. Implementing just a little bit of marketing and strategy, even at the novice level like myself, has given me growth and just makes sense in the long term.
*You have to focus on your community. Whether you have the same viewers on Twitch or the subscribers on RUclips that comment and get involved. Build up to love the small group of followers you have and embrace them. Have fun with it n just enjoy the ride... don't focus on the destination..*
BRB, going to create hundreds of email accounts so I can constantly email Devin saying, "I'm going to be the next Ninja!"
spoiler alert: he never hears things
Devin, thank you educating me. Please continue this. I honestly don’t know anyone else who’s going to tell me the things that you do.
Devin can you make a video on RUclips streaming and Facebook streaming? Like going more in depth on the stats and also give tips and whatnot.
Ya a talk that goes more in depth about multi-streaming too. I know everyones blanket answer is usually "you're just fracturing your view base" but really at the beginner level, isn't just figuring out which service you capture more viewers on and then transitioning when you make partner (IIRC only twitch does exclusivity by default) a better plan? Cast a big ass net, get on twitch, insta, youtube etc and shit and drive viewers to wherever they feel more comfortable
There is one already. Summing it up: different platforms for different purposes. Do restream everywhere if you're small. But THIS IS Not the solution to your problem. Create content on discoverable platforms. I don't know how often this has to be repeated until people get it. But check out the video for yourself :)
I have different content for different platforms so I stream stardew on facebook make events for our schedule so people know where we are, tweet when we go live, and we have had very good growth over the last while since we started doing that.
@@worldpvpftw I'm not understanding you, I'm not asking if we should re stream or not. I'm asking for a video that talks more in depth about the algorithms behind RUclips and Facebook livestreams. How to gain them etc. I know the old make content outside of twitch and redirect that content to twitch, what if I dont want to stream on twitch? What's the % of lost discoverability of a stream vs a video on RUclips, do you need to be making youtube videos that redirect to the RUclips channel??? The video we are asking for has not been made.
Here's the main gist with RUclips.
First, you need to find that game that you can absolutely grind content from. Whether this be some multiplayer shooter, or RPGs that can take hours upon hours to do. This will allow you to grab potential content to make a vid with. Also, be sure not to be one of the vid uploaders who change games every vid. This is okay to do once you gain a big enough following, but people will likely not watch you if the 'habit' isn't there.
Second, you will want to find the particular niche you find enjoyable to do. Do you enjoy fooling around in fps'? Maybe go for a funny vid/moments compilation. Are you a psychopath with the skills of a god? Compliation of your most skillful plays. Enjoy lore? Maybe seek a more game lore centric channel.
Third, remain consistent. If you upload one or two vids a week with guaranteed content, you will be doing better than most RUclips uploaders. Don't sacrifice quality for quantity (unless you are a god at getting potential interesting/funny content) because the quality will hook the viewer.
Fourth, try to enjoy what you do! Don't think of it primarily as a business, but as something fun you can/will do. When people get into the business mindset, they tend to find far less enjoyment in what they do. It's like working a 9 to 5. If you aren't finding enjoyment in it, you will view it as a paycheck grind, and quality is likely to take a dip.
Fifth, the stats you view will show things like viewership, ad revenue, and the likes. Don't be afraid to familiarize yourself with the stat viewboard once you have it, as seeing a loss in viewers may help you pinpoint a potential cause.
As I always say, dream for the moon, but aim for the stratosphere. If you can make it there, you may just be able to make it to the moon.
I think this is very true. I had a similar experience with crossfit a couple years ago where people thought they could get famous by grinding it. And there was one comment that stuck in my head, a friend said to another "What would you tell me now if I told you I will be an NBA player? we all laughed..."
It is the same in crossfit, twitch, youtube, instagram, you name it. Some people just don´t get it yet because it is "new".
Great talk dude, love these hard truths that NEED to be told.
I think something that has to be said here is that there are a lot of people who don't understand what really leads someone to that "top 1%". It's very difficult for most people to objectively view their own value to viewers because they can't admit to themselves the differences between themselves and the top streamers. Are you a pro gamer signed to an organization? Are you a model-tier attractive hot girl? Are you at least top 1% elo in whatever game you're playing? Does the game you're playing even get viewers? Are you actually funny? Are you well known within an online community or someone who's already a streamer, and do you know how to network and branch that out to more people? There are a lot more things that factor into it, just like timing. A lot of what people attribute to "luck" is actually just a lot of what I mentioned above; people aren't honest enough with themselves to say that there isn't really much that's remarkably unique about them or their stream to entice a large audience to find it, so when they see someone who has done it they say they got lucky.
In a sense, a lot of it is luck. You can't really control how good you are at video games. You can't really control how funny you are. You can't really control how attractive you are. You can become better at these things, sure, but if you're not already hot, or already top 2% in your game, or already known as someone who makes people laugh a lot, you're not going to magically become better than shroud at video games, or hotter than (insert x name) titty streamer, or funnier than (funny guy) just because you spend 8 hours a day "grinding" in your basement. Putting a lot of time into something only progresses you if you're actually progressing something with intention. People take the "I'm streaming because I want it to be my career" mindset on as an excuse to just game all day without feeling bad about it.
I would say no you can’t be attractive on command. But you can take comedy classes and you can get better at video games. It won’t most likely make you all of a sudden a good streamer. But it will at least give it a bit more value
@@jadenyuki5647 I already said you can improve at these things. It still doesn't matter.
There's a problem that this sort of thinking can lead to, and it's apparent in a lot of streamers. They think to themselves, "well, I'm not funny or good at games right now, but if I GRIND then eventually I will be." The problem is that if you want to become "successful" at twitch, ie 400+ viewers and partnered and making enough money to live off of, it's not enough. You have to either be one of the best gamers on the planet, one of the funniest people on the website, or one of the most well-known and connected people in the scene with other people that have made it.
Viewers funnel to the top. If you don't believe me, just look at all of the league / CS:GO / etc. streamers who have "daimond 1", or "global MM" or whatever these fucking ranks are in their stream titles. Nobody gives a flying fuck, when there are pros playing and making your mediocre gameplay look like dog shit. And even some of them get less viewers than the people who just got lucky enough to become content creators early on before the saturation.
Jaden Yuki, the problem is if you start streaming and you’re at the 70th percentile, who cares. You’re terrible and why would anyone watch you. If it’s a stream built around improving, then you need to be at least the 1% trying to be the best.
fantastic reply, nailed it
This is probably one of my favorite videos...literally every aspiring content creator/streamer needs to watch this.
I feel like people obsess over making this a career isn’t healthy. I started streaming but I still have my job. I do management for large companies and do web applications on the side. Coding is what I really want to do for a living but it’s fun to stream.
Spot on Devin. I really enjoy watching you on twitch and LEARNING a lot of good things to help build myself into a better streamer. I really love doing this and see this as my opportunity to leave behind history for my future kids and grandkids. I mostly lurk on live stream but thats because I have you up on my tv while i’m prepping meals or doing work around the house
Amazing thumbnail man
BRO U the best i hope ull do a video on me one day (i am very optimistic lol)
i follow ur videos to the t
Why arent you verified
@@aizenrise9827 what's ur channel?
Hi! I’m a new RUclipsr and was hoping I could have a little support! I started about 2 years ago and have already grown a successful amount! I do lots of cool vids and love and notice every single subscriber, thank you!!!!!
@@Nitrez make thumbnails
I am streaming on twitch and definitely putting my pride and joy into streaming whether or not people come but when I watched this video it didn't crush my dreams. It fueled me even more to create and push to other websites so that I can get my name out there, While learning something I can make a career out of in the background like being a paramedic. I smiled through this video cause he isn't crushing dreams, he's showing you what you got to do and what its really like so ill definitely keep moving forward!!!! Thank You
Good luck to you!! (:
I really appreciated this video, I've felt the unsuccessful side of twitch and this has cleared a lot of questions for me. Thank you very much for the knowledge and what you do for the community.
I found you from a interview you did with mizkif 🙌💯 I was looking up something specific and you seem to have the niche almost basically all to yourself 💯🙌 genius 🙏
He's very right! Its very easy yet hard.. I don't stream but sometimes I like to have a look on the bottom side of twitch and watch 1 viewer streams to see what they're like and how they present themselves in terms of how they react to my questions etc. And most of them well very dull, either didn't answer my questions, answered and just kept quiet didn't talk, some didn't even care i was there. There are some people who are insanely good at a game but just really hard to watch, vibe is off just unbearable and this is where they fail.. No bond between the streamer and their viewers.
I love these videos, the mindset shift from watching these is amazing.
I got partnered 2 months ago partially by watching these
Congrats man! Can only imagine how cool it would feel to become a twitch partner lol
This video is spot on about the truth. YES
Dude, this was real talk and highly received. Thank you for the tough love and honesty!
Im so happy I found Devin, nobody is as real as he is when he talks about the reality of streaming. Constantly link his videos to my friends who are blind about the reality of streaming that say that they will get as big as shroud.
You sound like a terrible friend. Why link some shit to kill their hopes instead of leading them to something else they may enjoy instead of streaming 😂
@@tregainsfitness4928 Oh I definitely let them enjoy it. Even help them out with tips and watch their streams to give them feedback on what they need to improve on but if you're a real friend you curb their hopes to a more realistic level. Instead of letting them believe they will be the next Ninja or Shroud. I had to learn this the hard way and I watch out for my homies so they play the game and don't get played by the game.
Thank you for that. It takes around 1000 hours to become good enough in a computer language to code professionally. I see people spend 12 hours a day gaming and/or streaming. At this rate, you could master a language in about 3 months. There's so many with 4000 to 5000 hours in a game, trying to be good and get in e-sports. The "learn to code" meme is quite old, but it's true, you can make so much money at any time afterwards, in companies, or simply rent-a-programmer, little 200 to 500$ contracts to program little tools people need and don't have time or skills to program. You can have a dream to join a huge company, maybe even creating games, but can be something smaller, like creating an Android app in your spare time and maybe have it blow up or at least give you a nice car, some computer rigs, a music studio, finance whatever you really want to happen.
Entertainment is nice, i have nothing against streaming or gaming, it's awesome, it let you relax, improve your coordination, your decision making skills, but it's really unrealistic to think you'll have a career as a professional. You never either, even if you become very popular and make a living out of it, you don't know if you gonna be cancelled, your account deleted for false copyright strikes or anything. You can't put all your eggs in the same basket.
@A11 Pr0duct Yes of course. What i usually advice people is to start with C, C++ or Python, depending what you intend do to. Linux and other open-sources communities are also awesome. If you can start a little program, run it, check the sources and figure out what everything does, how it's doing it, it would be a wonderful start. When you will have found your favourite language, because we all have one, buying a book, or finding an ebook online if you don't have the budget, would be best. When you feel comfortable, you may want to try creating a tool to do something. Github or any Git you can find, you will have an history of all commits, bug fixes, new features implementations, It's a golden age to learn how to code.
@@malakilab you've got me inspired to learn to code mate. You said to start with C, C++ or Python depending on what we intend to do - could you expand on what each of them is used for?
@@cazzamabob Python is great at creating something quick. It have extensive libraries to be able to do about anything, but it's interpreted, which have pros and cons, not really the most optimized language if you want performance, on the other side, it's cross-platform and easy to use. When you go the C/C++ route, i'd say it's the hard road, they can be compiled with extreme optimizations, aggressive memory control, can be used for limited hardware also, for example programming microcontrollers or such. There's plenty others, especially if you want to develop web projects. There's so many languages and options out there. You could also go for Java, even if i am not a fan myself, but you would be able to code Android apps and whatnot, if it's what's getting you the most interested, some have rather good experience with putting innovative apps on the store, it becomes somewhat a passive income, even if you have to update and bugfix sometimes.
Hope you're going to get forward in programming, it's a nice go to if you are short on money and everything is getting digital these days.
@Lunatic41521 Yes of course. It is part of growing up. You can do it as a hobby, in free time, to relax. Some people are not shaped for it. It's the same thing you say to a young fellow who desperately want to be a football, soccer, hockey, baseball or any major leagues, or heck, even playing Chess. If you don't have what it takes to be a professional, make a living out of it. If you have 1% chance of succeeding, which is a pretty far fetch estimation, i would estimate it more in the 0.1% of success, it would be wise to acquire other skills, put more time in energy in something you are less passionate about, but will be able to provide you a decent quality of life, a plan B, instead of putting all your eggs in the same basket and end up having problems paying your bill, having a girlfriend, buying a car, because your dropped everything else, failed and now have to work at Wendy's. A lot of the game developers i know failed to be professional players and reoriented their toward that same Plan B, creating something they love instead of just playing it and hope to be donated a decent living wage. It's being responsible in life.
As a smaller streamer and an active user on twitch, removing the ability to search titles has been super frustrating
i can see that but when i'm trying to search for a game category and 30 streams i would never even consider watching pop up instead of the game it's pretty annoying
Def one of the best level headed broadcaster I have ever listened to. U don’t give into emotions and let the facts speak. Love the channel
I really enjoyed this video - mostly because of your passion about the subject and how real you were. Super relatable and made me reflect on a lot of things, thanks.
Watched and listened to it twice well needed and its important to take notes on key points. Biggest one is planting seeds where they wont grow which goes back to not building or marketing yourself daily. The top percent utilized it !!!
You have to stream at a young age when there’s time. Time for someone that works 5 days a week makes it literally hard to build in streaming. Time is crucial and at an older age there is no time.
Take the time when you have a day off or are sitting down to play a game. You don't have tonstream for 8hrs a day. We only stream for a couple hours per stream and it works really well. We also have a stream where we play as a family and it is one of our more popular shows.
@@bronnythebard5459 You have to realize there is so much to do. The biggest platform is youtube. You need to constantly be uploading videos on youtube, engaging on twitter and instagram and marketing your twitch stream on those platforms. On top of that, putting in time to actually stream. If you have the money to pay someone to take care of those platforms for you, it's a win win. Success comes from youtube first then twitch.
I get what you are saying and I understand it. That is the main reason I have a weekly stream on RUclips instead of uploading videos and we have experienced growth because those live streams stay up ongoing so people can watch after the fact or use my table of contents to pick the particular quest they are looking for.
"People message me and say I'm going to be the next ninja, you wait and see and of course they don''t". Or do they? For all we know there is a newly trained warrior assassin out there waiting for the right moment to strike monkaS
Dude, you have opened my eyes regarding broadcasting on Twitch. I was on Mixer prior to the move to Twitch. I grinded my backside off to reach 700 followers on Mixer before the goal post was moved to 2k.
I burnt myself out being a 'busy fool' and made 2315 followers with 1 partnership application refusal before mixer died.
I have always thought I have been quite good at games, knowledgeable when asked about them, funny at times, can do a great Capt. Price impression. Never really had the viewership.
You have hit the nail on the head here, I have plans and aspirations for broadcasting as you can see from my logo I am part of a PUBG comp team. We are new but have the quality I think to make something of it.
Your vods have helped clear a lot of doubts I have been having, no joke you should be a therapist lol.
Keep up the hard work and doing what your doing. People like me really need people like you right now and it's a breath of fresh air that for once someone is not sugar coating something. #run for president lol
I’ve always wanted to stream but I also make music. I’m thankful that my music is finally popping off on other platforms so I took my small tight fan base over to twitch this week! Just have to stream for a few more days and I’ll hit affiliate. I average about 15-20 viewers but usually cap at like 30-40 from people popping in.
I’ll say this. Twitch is like making Music and The first and most important thing is that, you NEED talent and some sort of niche to where people will be attracted to you. I have Tourette syndrome so a lot of my music is for people with Tourette and I try to be as real as I can with music and My goal was to make a discord where strangers can become friends , play games, hangout , network and just have a place for positivity where people can be themselves and I’ve been grinding for like 6-7 years now and I’m just now seeing my progress. Going to open mics, booking my own shows, sending my music to music reviews , free styling at parties , and going to anime conventions and PAX to meet people. I actually met a streamer named rajjtv and rapped with some guy playing guitar while he was live streaming, so networking is half the battle
It’s so much more than just making a song and posting it. So with twitch you can’t just start streaming and nothing else. It’s a hard pill people have to swallow. I’m NOWHERE even close to where I want to be but I’m finally opening the doors and I gotta say to anyone with a dream. It’s possible but it is NOT easy. You will wanna quit, nobody will give a fuck.
Also my final advice from my experience. Don’t waste your time turning friends into fans. They’ll support but not on the level fans that don’t know you will
I love the transparency and realism. High intellect, much appreciated.
100% all the time. When I was writing out my blog, I tried to give that same harsh reality to those that you arent going to make. Hell, I knew I wasn't going to big bc I set realistic goals for myself. If I blow up, cool beans. But it always kills me when I see ppl say "I QUIT FT JOB TO BECOME A FULL TIME STREAMER" when they dont have any stability.
Thank you for sharing and spitting out the truth.
And this, boys, is why I'm staying on RUclips for content creation 😅
I've used both RUclips and Twitch over the years and I obtained way bigger success on RUclips than on Twitch, in spite of my content being similar across both. Never really figured it out so I just focused on the RUclips end more.
"Planting seeds in the wrong environment" Thank you for this. Spot on
Twitch and streaming and content creation is not something that when you put in the hard work you are 100% guaranteed to be successful. Yes. Making your streams very creative. Utilizing social media platforms and having an entertaining stream increases your chances at being successful but it's not 100%. I kinda like to compare it to other professions you can go to school to become a doctor and when you put in that hard work you 100% will become a doctor that will be your profession you will work as a doctor. Streaming is NOT that. Putting in 8 hrs a day won't make you the next big streamer. Grinding 8 hrs a day won't make you successful.
Working smart > working hard always has been always will be. People don’t understand that. They are told by thousands of people as they grow up to work hard... when working hard will mostly take forever and often times won’t work. “Grinding” is terrible for your health. If it doesn’t obviously work and your burning yourself out, than you need to stop. Working smart works every time. Every single time. My dad makes a living on RUclips not because he worked hard and made consistent content, but because he worked smart. The things he does don’t take a lot of mental strength. So he doesn’t get burned out. Every single billionaire you know worked smart. Sure they have worked hard in the past but that isn’t why they are rich. Work Smart > Work Hard
that' why i moved to youtube, getting decent views
Why am I addicted to Devin Nash's videos?
I watch all of them now. They are so interesting, insightful, and honest. I've become a fan. Thanks for the videos and info!
I think people will be very depressed in 10 years when they look back and see that they spent 40 to 70 hours a week streaming and realize it was all for nothing.
I feel like that's how some people feel while working. Like doing a cashier or construction job for 10 or 20 years.
I'm already depressed anyway.
@@KnightZ07 lol
I think the take away is to honestly evaluate your progress and decide if its worth continuing if you have to learn new things. The grind to me means like every 2 weeks upping your game in some way not doing the same thing and expecting different results.
RUclips suggested this channel to me 8 months ago. Have been watching religiously since. True information. Well said 👍
Great video.
I think a really important thing to know that I hear from a lot of streamers is that a lot of the newer people on twitch that do get big, are big somewhere else. Being big/ famous on another site or community is really important these days just to even get a start. Streaming isn't just streaming anymore. You need social media presence, youtube content, a pre built community, all of that. Even all of that doesn't guarantee anything at all, but it is a really important part of what it means to be a content creator in this decade.
Esfand is a great example of this. RUclips was his begining, and he built a massive community off of his videos and his classic private server streams.
Real question I just started streaming last month (July) on Twitch and my avg views is 10, max views on a day 18-25 viewers.
I’m growing about 2-4 views a week. Are these good numbers to continue?
hell yeah man thats so good keep going
That's pretty good Clap
Nah they are bots unless you show boobs then it might be coomers.
depends on how popular your primary category is. If the peak of the category is only 1000 then you aren't going to be able to live off of twitch alone.
Tagerrun ! Nope
my big mistake i did was organizing an event thinking i would gain discoverability. i want to build something from the ground up. my step, realisticaly, did not make sense. everytime i listen to your talks, i learn something new but i have a big problem in terms of executing stuff. i hate making mistakes but i know i learn from them also.
11:40: Thats wrong, Live Streaming SHOULD teach you: Commitment, self presentation, self awareness, presentation skills (massive), mastering the tech of the future of entertainment, speaking freely without a script or telepromter, moderating a crowd, JUST as an example.
How can you put it in a curriculum when you where streaming instead of a job or a degree?
blackmailer hack it was not mentioned, that someone do streaming Full time so you aquire all this additional to a day job.
blackmailer hack but even if you do streaming full time and you’re self employed you are running a media production company. That goes to your cv.
there is a lot of research supporting the growth mindset concept. the thing is you do have to want it but at the same time, i do think you need to see some results before quitting your day job. For example if you are starting your business, you just dont go from working mc donalds to taking a loan out and starting the business. You have to take steps to get there and know you're on a path to doing it :)
Appreciate the real talk
These are concepts that you have said various times in other videos, but you've summed them up very well under this "Twitch Streamer" topic! I'm gonna share it around, thanks for the content Devin :)
I really aspire to be as well versed in a subject as Devin is in content creation and media. If I had the money I would totally pay $100 a year just to listen to a podcast of stuff like this.
A must watch for anyone thinking about streaming on Twitch. Great Video Devin. Keep it up !
I streamed for 4 and half years averaging like 10 viewers. And all of a sudden blew up on rogue company and blew up over night with 2 lucky hosts. Honestly twitch is alot of luck and people shouldn't look at this like a job until they are really making an income back from it. I am the epitome of the lucky break. I'm now averaging 700-1000 viewers a stream for 3 weeks straight
Revisit 3 months from now. Would love to see if it still holds true then. No hate, just curious.
Holy truth bombs in this video!
I see what you did there...
She said it! PogU
Holy Wolf, why do u have a Holy hottie as your avatar
Twitch is the most useless platform to grow on. YT and FB are way better, especially considering that YT doesn't have the same saturation.
you forgot to add batman at the end
Well said. Alot of people out there really need to hear this.
Twitch is so small... I dont know why it gets so much attention....
It is a niche platform but some of the streamers on the platform have done some crazy things that catch people's attention.
More than any motivational post or video online about streaming, ive needed to see this video and will continue to watch this video every time i get stagnant. Im not a 3 viewer andy but im not summit either and this video has woken me up to something ive been putting off for a long time which is diversity of content. Thanks for this video :) Hopefully i can come back to this video each time with progress made 🤞🏽
The only way to get big on your first stream is to already be known by the community. For example Michael Reeves was already know by all of the offline TV fans so fans from lilypichu, pokimane, scarra, and disguised toast and I believe that in Michael's RUclips community a decent part of the people watching his videos watched twitch already.
It's all about community and doing whatever you can to bring in traffic. A streamer i watch a lot went from an average of 45-60 viewers after streaming a crazy amount of hours a week for 5 or 6 years. He managed to get partnered because the top streamer for the game he streams in played vs him in a match and gave him a lot of praise as being a really nice guy and fun to play vs. That single instance of being known in the community to a point where the big streamer praised him a lot got him partnered within a month. He went from the 45-60 viewers to 150-200 viewers. People drastically under value how essential the community aspect can be in games.
Been streaming for 7/8ish months now got 200 followers 5 subs and Ill try to stay active on youtube around 15 to 20 viewers avarage for me this already is more then I hoped for anything more would be great ofcourse but main reason I stream is I play the game anyways so I might as well just stream it and entertain people with it. For me it makes gaming more fun because im interacting with new people
Regardless of your religion, tribe, ideology, your struggles and strife, your identity and it's actualization; it's an inescapable fact of the world that you'll always be at it's whim.
To understand that - to truly grasp the sheer scale of the momentum that the universe possesses completely ignorant of your existence and suffering - to honestly internalize and understand that, and then wake up every day trying to live up to your own mystical dreams is either commendable bravery or utter foolishness.
The two threads argue one side each. But it's both at the same time. If you understand your odds though and still make honest effort, you have my respect.
I like this. I think the mindset you talked about in other videos about not caring if twitch falls through is much healthier for our mental than putting all of our eggs into this volatile basket.
I'm a small streamer that hit affiliate in 5 weeks of streaming. I'm not looking to get famous/rich on twitch. I work a full time job and I stream in my free time. I rather have a very small community or loyal people.
this is the same approach I am going for. As far as scheduling for your viewers, do you have a schedule set up on your channel or does work prohibit you from doing that? I'm curious because I know I can stream almost everyday but I also have work as well.
Everything thing you said is 100000% spot on, and that’s why I stream for fun
There is definitely skill involved in becoming a streamer. The reason you “grind” everyday with no growth is because you don’t market, branch out, build community, work to IMPROVE your craft. Think smarter not harder people
I so glad I found out about Devin Nash from a friend. I love the content he puts out and he really puts things into perspective. I only started trying to stream on twitch earlier this year as a hobby and I want to pick it back up again as I loved to meet new people and talk to them about there favorite game or thing to do. Thank you Devin Nash for all your hard work and information.
All these smalls streamers put zero effort into being entertaining. Do they really think they're interesting enough for complete strangers to watch them, when they're playing video games with their friends, the same thing millions of people do every day?
@Otaku Reactions Mashup I agree. If the streamer is really skilled at the game, or just funny, chill streams are great.
I sincerely agree. The number of streamers on Twitch I have seen that have zero talent, have repellent personalities and do nothing entertaining yet spend their broadcasts hectoring what viewers they have for donations is frankly astounding. If you had told me 20+ years ago that such a thing would exist I would have thought you had stolen the concept from some obscure dystopian sci-fi novel. As Devin says, "you have to come from a place of value first" and these people offering nothing of value yet expect it to be raining cash and adoration on them. It quite seriously obliterates my mind.
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i 100% agree with you. I started streaming last year but thats because I thought it would be fun and interesting to talk to people around the world. I didn't start streaming because i wanted to make money or become partner. I started streaming to help me boost my confidence on improving my skills on animation/ drawing since thats what i am studying to become, a animator/ storyboard artist and seeing if my work makes people happy. i feel bad when people donate to me because i feel like i didn't earn it. I only stream games that i enjoy playing, and drawing/ animating. Common things people stream. The highest someone has donate to me is $25, and to me its a lot of money, i am grateful for it but at the same time, i rather people just follow my channel or accounts from other platforms than donate to me because to me, dropping a follow means you like my work, which gives me confidence knowing i can actually make people happy.
You're a lot more likely to be successful in RUclips for sure. I've seen plenty of small RUclips channels get big, it just takes years of consistent content creation and a ton of talent (or no talent depending on luck). Twitch is the complete opposite, you have hardly any control and your skill is unmeasured by others looking to discover you.
So many people including myself needed to hear this, been loving your videos recently!
What annoys me is people who go into streaming for the sole purpose of being famous and im like slow down lol
Truth bomb dropped. Great advice! Work smarter not harder. I'm glad there's someone out there like this helping everyone in the community. This needed to be said.
Thats extremely stupid. Work hard is way bigger then working "smart" the better decision is the one that requires the most effort, aka the "harder" decision.
Twitch is the after-party: the party held after the big event. Content on other platforms are the big events
@Lunatic41521 now, how often that among us phenomena happened? yeah. not that many.
honestly i needed to hear this. mad respect for the honesty🙏🏻
Been hearing this for a while now. Twitch has no discoverability. It sounds better to cut your twitch vods into interesting RUclips content. I have heard devin say many youtubers only stream because they are bored once their video of the day is uploaded so they hang out playing games.
In other instances there are people like Hachuby who started on RUclips and learned how to make content from other youtubers. Then tailors their twitch stream to be segments of youtube content later.
To be bluntly honest with this, I agree with him and everything he says. Making a career over streaming isnt just about sitting and playing game, you have to do everything else. editing videos, marketing, selling the product and etc. Everyone see's all these big streamers and head on over there to think its as easy as it is, when in truth it isnt. There is a lot of hardwork one has to put in for you to grow. Set realistic goals, baby steps, move up and always keep moving. hit a problem? find a solution on how to solve it. Most streamers Ive seen who are new, just come on board for a few months and vanish afterwards cause they dont realise how hard it is. If Twitch isnt working, find another platform. Never give up.
Thanks for the honest POV Devin. Take care