This couple severely lacked communication, because the discrepancy between one partner wanting 4 kids and the other only wanting 1 then tying her tubes is huge.
The big question that was never talked about in this movie was, did Terry and Diane discuss how many children they wanted PRIOR to marriage? Terry doesn't own Diane's body and vice versa, but, getting your tubes tied or a vasectomy just reeks poor communication and sneakiness. They needed therapy rather than Diane just apologizing to him.
We touched on that s bit in the video, but I think that Diane could have possibly changed how she felt about kids once she was faced with the actual challenge of balancing career and motherhood.
@wyntahb3968 By no means am I trying to put words in anyone's mouth, but my understanding was not that anyone was trying to give Diane too much grace as much as there is a problem with the writing. Terry seems to be written in a way that he isn't really at fault for anything. That his controlling behavior, as Diane calls it, isn't really controlling, but the actions of a man that is desperate. He loves his family, and he is making these bad decisions to make his marriage work, so that excuses his behavior. I think if the characters were written better and that they were both to blame for their problems, then it wouldn't look like Terry was a Gary Sue. Nobody likes a Gary Sue.
Terry = Tyler + Perry, he didn’t even try to hide it lol. Also, I think it says a lot about Tyler Perry that his characters when he cast himself are supposed to be flawless, but we have the audience notice that they are in fact, very flawed.
Why do I feel he did it on purpose just to spark discussion and deep dives?? His comedy is brash and in your face in a lot of his movies...but his subtle deeper meanings are often missed because he juxtaposes satire/seriousness in his character dialogues very well.
I’m gonna give TP a sliver of credit here and say that he cast himself as Terry because he is arguably the least interesting character in this movie next to Malik Yoba (whatever his name was in the movie; who cares). He wanted his other actors to shine, so he essentially played a B character.
I don't think that Diane avoiding sex is necessarily a plot hole. I honestly think that Diane was avoiding sex because she knew she was never going to get pregnant and that if Terry and her were having sex on a regular basis and she never got pregnant that Terry being a loving and controlling husband would take her to a doctor to get a check up. If that happened then it would be revealed at some point.
1:33:02 I don’t think Diane was avoiding sex because she didn’t want to get pregnant. I think she was trying to avoid the conversation with Terry as to why she would never get pregnant because her tubes were tied. The longer they go without sex the longer she can keep her secret.
Agreed, and as a child free woman trying to focus on her career, I'm far more on Diane's side. Obviously she shouldn't have lied, but I understand her reasons
@@JelissaGonzalez-bv7cr🤣🤣🤣. That can be explained by the way some doctors know other doctors and get illegitimate favors.. its more common than you think.. also.. He could've said the meds were for a teenager.. in some states a child can be tested & treated for STDs/STIs by the age of 13
I didn't like that in the sequel, Diane untied her tubes to have another kid for Terry. I think it shouldve been a message of appreciating what you have and who you have it with. Terry shouldve been happy with the life he has with his wife and daughter. But as Diane pointed out: it wasn't enough. And AGAIN she's providing for him. Providing her body, time, health, and career to make her husband happy. I haven't seen him do anything for her. He even went as far as faking an affair to get back at her because he didn't get his way. My least favorite husband in this movie tbh. Mike was awful but at least he got his karma.
And some people will somehow JUSTIFY that. It definitely does give me a gross feeling. Your partner don't want kids. If you can't handle that, move on.
@@ninjanibba4259 Which is understandable. Things always get complicated when kids are involved. I'm just referring to when kids aren't involved in the situation yet
Also Terry made it seem like he knew 1000% they would have a boy. What if it was a girl? Was he gonna expect Diane to just keep having babies until they did? That’s why wanting a certain sex of child is problematic. Your putting pressure on a person that’s not even been conceived yet. And the mother .
That’s what I was thinking! Like what’s the obsession with having just a boy specifically? When we know genders a toss up. Then you have to wonder about favoritism and all that.
@@anabana538 Well thing is it’s the same with every couple that wants kids. They could want a boy or a girl and all they can do is try to get what they want. My aunt and uncle wanted a boy and they ended up with 4 daughters. So yeah people don’t always get what they want but at the very least a couple could try to get a son or daughter if they want one. As for child favoritism that really depends on the couple and how they raise their kids. Now, if all the kids are doing all right, then I see no reason to play favoritism. The only way I can kind of justify parents liking one or more kids over the other is if one or more of their kids basically is doing something to mess up their own lives. For example, for a while, my parents didn’t like my youngest brother because he was already in his late teens and being extremely lazy. all he was doing was playing games on his computer all night and sleeping during the day. he had no interest in working around the house or getting a job and his grades kind of weren’t good either. Years later he got a job and finally learned some responsibility and is doing better today.
She needs to follow her own advice! She knows Gavin wants more children and she refuses to “compromise” and oblige him with his baby. Patricia is such a hypocrite.
She’s so hypocritical and doesn’t even utilize this ‘knowledge’ her character attempts to portray. So many things she says/does are downright horrible especially for a healthy marriage.
@@missmisher I don’t think that’s entirely true. Janet Jackson in an interview said that Patricia is someone who is good at giving other people advice, but has trouble with her own problems. Which actually is how many people are. It’s hard to say if Patricia and Gavin wanted more kids or not, or if just one of them did. They definitely wanted it at least two when they first got married, because Terry said it during a conversation between him and Gavin. However, after their son passed away they were definitely unsure about what they wanted now.
Actually that is a discussion you have before you get married. If she did not want any children she should have told him long before they got married. This is why I believe in premarital counseling.
I been waiting for this!!! I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed that Tyler LOVES to cast himself as the good man that’s always right in his films. The only thing he gets caught up for is the DNA test, and that is quickly brushed over. Everybody else’s characters showed both positive and negative attributes throughout the 2 films, and had their turn as the villain. But not Tyler’s though- his wife is the villain in the relationship the whole time, and his character is forever the victim. I hate the bias he uses in his casting of himself.
In the play, Terry admitted to cheating on Diane once. In the movie, Terry recalled a time where he was in a position where he could have cheated, but didn't.
@@joshuamcdowell9745 Exactly- he sanitised the character in the movie, because he was the one playing it. In comparison to his cheating friends, he is a saint for resisting the temptations that they couldn’t.
I am so glad you brought that up about Perry. I have always noticed the same thing about the characters he plays. Terry is a know it all, arrogant, self righteous, narcissist, control freak. Tyler Perry is basically playing himself in this role. All of his scripts in his films come across in the same way. They all have this underlying message to women (being subservient, settling for less, putting your needs & or desires to the side, etc.) which is inherent in the Terry character’s treatment and expectations for the Diane character.
@@Oxygen257this is the exact reason I can’t stand his movie good deeds. It’s a whole film about him being some great person that’s also successful and a hero on top of that 🥴🥴
In Diane's defense, this is completely normal for attorneys to do. I was apparalegal specialist working in a criminal law for 6 years. This is our norm. So if her husband has a problem with her working x number of hours into the day and night, he has always had a problem with it. Because she has been working at this capacity ever since she passed the bar. These are completely normal expectations when working in the legal field. He just has the benefit of being the doctor in charge at his private practice. So like you said, he has all these other people in systems in place who can handle any extra calls for him. And being that he's the one whose name is on everyone's paycheck, who's really going to call him? So this is definitely Tyler Perry's character just wanted to be controlling. Because Diane has had to do this from day one. And as her husband he has seen this the entire journey. It's not like it's just now happening. It's actually worse in the lower ranks. When you're a new associate, you get all of the grunt work. Being that she's the top litigator, she has a bit more flexibility in that she can actually leave the building and no longer do overnights. One thing about Terry that absolutely scares me is how some of what he does actually tips into abusive characteristics. He picks up her phone and throws it. Destroying your partner's property is never a good thing. He has managed to convince an attorney to have a child she didn't even want. Diane already knew that she didn't want to have kids. She said earlier that she compromised by having the one. So now forcing her to have another child is honestly insane. Diane tie her tubes and not telling anyone is definitely a sketchy move. It is underhanded entirely. But I can see how she would be afraid to tell him anything. Terry has a lot more underlying aggression than I remember viewing the first time around as a kid. Now, Terry getting a DNA test on the one child they do have is wild. Diane already did not want a kid, you getting it tested to make sure it's yours? Who else was she going to have a child that she didn't want to have with? So I feel like Diane's reaction in the car was more so passive aggressive sarcasm. Like " oh wow, she's yours? Who would have thunk it😒". Both of them have terrible communication. Their method is to simply not talk about it and handle things behind the next one's back. Up until they now shouting at each other in the house. They're pretty bad for each other. At least Marcus and Angela talk regularly (Even if it is shouting).
It's the hypocrisy of Terry for me. He can't seem to fathom her workload is going to steal her time away, but shames her for it as if she can stop completely.
Terry should’ve been with someone who shared his dream for a big family. Simple. He was wrong and she was wrong but I understand her rash decision to get her tubes tied. She kept saying she wasn’t ready. Edit: Y’all calling him Terry/Madea is tickling me! And him kissing on Diane and watching her reaction to it makes me so uncomfortable lol
I think the trouble is they got together in college when they may not fully know what they want or expect form life. Then a decade or more later when they have a better idea of all that they may discover that they don't want the same things.
@@HeitCheri Very true! I bet they didn’t expect this to be an issue when they first got married. I also bet after the first child she was kind of like me lol This is A LOT and one is enough but that does cause issues when your husband wants more 🤣
How does Diane take a week vacation in the middle of defending a 16 year old in a capitol murder trial?? That’s another question. Tyler Perry really don’t think things through when he write 😂 he just let the pen hit the paper..
Bottom line: Patricia is an unreliable narrator/ psychologist, Terry Madea is an unreliable sage of any kind of advice. They both, despite being probably the most (booksmart) educated, are probably the most detrimental people in the friend group.
And this is why there must be a balance and distinction between academics and practical knowledge. Also, I don't see a lot of critical thinking happening with either of these characters.
@@HeitCheri and... better writing from Tyler perry lol. Both of those characters could have been legit pillars for the group (which I feel was supposed to be the intent), but like Heit always makes a point is we're presented with what we're shown. Tyler perry dropped the ball big time making Angela the drunk the most reasonable one who gets sh*t done.
To me it always seemed like Diane was giving the impression that she wasn't even sexually attracted to Terry. In society, it is expected in many families to have a lucrative career, get married and have a family and I think that's what was expected of Diane or at least that's what Diane thought was expected of her. It's also obvious that she didn't even want to have her daughter let alone having more children because she specifically said that she "compromised" with having their daughter. That lets me know that she didn't want to have children at all but at least compromise with having 1 for Terry's sake. She only married Terry because he was husband and father material. There was never any attraction for him hence the reason she was having an affair in WDIGM2.
When it comes to sexual desires, I think this can manifest in different presentations for couples. Audiences are used to open displays of physical affection as the only way to indicate sexual attraction between two people. Truth is, I've known plenty of couples who, by these standards, wouldn't seem to be sexually attracted to one another, but yet they are.
I absolutely loath how the ladies let Sheila blame herself without even a "No, it's not your fault" or "He's lucky to have you". If they felt so strongly about her not being ready to hear the truth (BS, but go off), they didn't have to tell her, but they felt no need to even comfort her? How would they have responded to this talk if they didn't have confirmation that Mike was cheating? He's still clearly at least emotionally abusive, and their friend is hurtin'. Their listening to her self-flagellation while kiki'ing and shopping with the other woman is beyond my comprehension.
Patricia's avoidant behavior and encouraging her friends to be avoidant was the reason why her marriage ended the way it did in the 2nd movie. Gavin hints in the 1st movie he wants kids after losing the 1st child and Patricia shuts him down immediately. Sheila says she think Gavin and Patricia's marriage will last and everyone glosses over their response that their marriage isnt well. 2nd movie, Gavin is done with her shit and he wants to move forward, he wants more kids.
They problem was they grieved apart instead of together that sperated them and made them just go through the motions. This common after a child passed with a couple
@@HeitCheri Also as dangerous it is to have black women to have children. Pressuring one to have one has a different level to it. Compared to a non BW. That should have been a discussion before marriage. I wasn't feeling Tyler Perry character. He was given I want my wife barefoot pregnant and making babies. Her character doesn't give that kind of energy.
See and I tried to defend Diane once and a bunch of dudes got on to me saying it was my “woman’s perspective” like…the woman didn’t want another baby i can understand that. I get they may have discussed it once but things change and Terry can’t tell me he didn’t notice after trying for so long that she wasn’t interested. It’s also not like he didn’t have another child to love he was just obsessed with having a son like most men and it was like is your daughter not enough to you that you would jeopardize your marriage. And I’m not tryna be rude like I get it if he really wanted a son but it was clear your wife wasn’t interested in having another baby that’s a lot on a woman’s body and she has a career she’s into at this point and he just wasn’t willing to compromise with her. The main things Diane did wrong was getting too wrapped up in her work and not telling him she got her tubes tied which is something he wouldn’t have a say in anyways it’s her body but she could’ve at least told him, but she basically made up on his terms and he got his son in the end which means she got her tubes undone, yikes.
First i didnt know women could get their tubes undone. Isnt that life threatening for women? Second i disagree that its her body her choice when your married i feel you become one entity meaning he should havr a say because he swore on the bible to stay married to you for life so if he wanted more kids his opinion should be atleast considered.
She didn’t tell him that tho that’s the big issue here, if Diane would’ve told terry how she felt about the situation and then if he would’ve still been upset about it instead of being understanding then I would be 1,000% on your side but since she didn’t SHE IS ALL THE WAY WRONG
1:08:56 She was dismissive of him in the truck on the ride up the mountains. so now when something is important to her, she wants to talk and communicate…. it don’t work like that
There was a part of Terry that wanted some form of control, but it was more so of a need for balance as Diane was always busy. While I understand that her schedule does call for long hours, Diane did use her work to avoid Terry. Although I will admit that Terry was absolutely out of order by telling her assistant not to call. As for getting their daughter tested, I’m not sure how I feel about that. I truly feel like DNA tests are always in order haha. Diane getting her tubes tied was an extreme because she didn’t have to do that, she could’ve talked to Terry but I get the feeling that Terry doesn’t listen either. So a divorce would’ve been in order for me. I truly think, like my girl Bondy Blue who did a review on this movie, that Diane didn’t like Terry too much🤣
I think part of the reason that Diane and Terry aren't having sex is that Diane knows if she doesn't get pregnant at some point Terry will take her to a doctor and it will be revealed that she had her tubes tied. But I don't think she is actively picking fights to avoid sex per say. I don't necessarily think she's try to avoid sex. I think she's trying to hide the fact she had her tubes tied.
I was thinking about the video y’all are going to do on Patrica and Gavon. And I honestly think why did I get married 2 would be a better insight into their relationship
Absolutely !! Out of the 4, Pat and Gavin didn’t have much issues in this movie other than both losing a child by a severe accident. Their issues escalated quickly in the 2nd.
@@Dedego768 It sure is. I just meant that that one glimpse proved, to me anyway, that the glossy lovey dovey stuff (even the consoling after finally talking about their son) was not going to cut it for them because Patricia did not fully trust him going forward.
I remember watching this in theaters as a child, and Terry's character definitely reads as the most moral one in the group. I thought Diane was totally in the wrong back then, and while she does have some serious faults, Terry is not a saint himself. As a woman, it can be so detrimental to see media that portrays women as selfish, cold people simply for not wanting children or not wanting sex. I identify as ace & I never want kids, so Terry's complaints were striking a nerve. It feels like that's all Diane is good for, especially when he harped on having a SON. Not just a child, but a boy, as if she can control what gender the baby will be. I was dreading the end scene with that horrible joke he made about the affair with Pam. Absolutely disgraceful. If I were Diane, I would never trust him after that. Here I am admitting my faults and wanting to work it out, yet you play on our main conflict of whether we should have more kids, and use your employee as a tool to pretend you got her pregnant. How long had it been since he left the house?! A month? Two weeks? To say you got Pam pregnant with twins THAT fast after a blowup with your wife shows just how manipulative Terry really is. It's no wonder why Diane had an affair in the sequel. They were better off divorced.
Good point. To add to this… Terry wanted a SON, but I believe he’d want Diane to keep trying and having as many babies as it took to get his son. Forget the fact that Diane didn’t want kids at all, yet he wanted to trap her with all of these kids, which would potentially end her career as an attorney and force her to be a stay at home mom with no career. That’s crazy to think, but believable for this character.
Having hope to get a boy is not a crime, example I want 6 kids and I hope I get 3 boys and 3 girls but if I get 4 boys and 2 girls I’ll still be happy or vice versa so terry having hope for a boy is irrelevant, I strongly believe that you are just trying to find a fault with the terry character. Also you have to keep in mind Diane has never expressed how she feels about the situation to terry she only told her friends so with Terry not knowing anything let be real here which man wouldn’t complain. It’s like y’all females expect us men to be mind readers
As I was watching this i couldn't help but think that Patricia maybe partially to blame for the communication problems that some of the couples experience. We never see her actually teach them how to communicate as much as we see her encourage avoidance. She discourages Angela from telling Sheila about the infidelity. I also find it interesting that Patricia, Terry and Diane were the ones scolding Angela earlier about communication when Angela maybe the best communicator out of all the couples. Not to mention the ethics of running a marriage retreat with couples you have known and been friends with for years. How can you be unbiased with them?
I also find it interesting that the most honest Diane and Terry are with each other is when Terry is leaving. It seems to me like Patricia is encouraging them to avoid fighting. Arguing can be very healthy for a couple when done constructively. It's also a sign that the couple is speaking their minds and not just bottling their emotions up.
I have been saying this since I first saw this movie. Perry’s character was my least favorite character. Perry’s character, Terry is one that is a know it all, arrogant, self righteous, narcissist, control freak. I could not stand his character. There is so much, I don’t know where to begin. 1. He blabbed Marcus’ business about the STD. As a Dr. He had no right to do that. 2. He called Diane’s secretary & told her not to call Diane. Are you kidding me? 3. He kept demanding a baby from Diane because HE wanted a son. However I do agree with him that she should have discussed with him first about having her tubes tied, even though ultimately it is her decision. But it always was about what he wanted and just because he and his buddies made some type of statement in college. 4. His attempts to make himself look like a good guy who has never cheated. 5. He instigates between his friends and then sits back and watches the fallout so he can intervene looking like the good guy. 6. His friend gets hit over the head with a bottle and passes out, he is a Dr and doesn’t get his a*s up to go see about the man. 7. He takes Diane’s phone and mashes it against the wall and tells her it is her job to screw him on a regular basis. 8. He lies about having an affair with his nurse and says she is pregnant with twins with his nurse right there. 9. How he wanted Diane to grovel in front of his nurse. (Which in no way she should have been there while he and his wife are talking about their relationship). That was just so uncalled for, disrespectful and outright nasty. (I can’t remember if this scene is in the first film or second). And he does some creepy and scary sh*t in the second film also. 10. Diane comes home late from work, he denies her some type of interaction with her daughter. (I can’t remember exactly what it was.) 11. He married a lawyer, if he doesn’t like her hours, he should not have married her. Lawyers work long hours and ESPECIALLY criminal lawyers where they have a person’s life and freedom on the line. If she were my lawyer in the middle of my trial and the court is at recess, she had better be working on my case. A good friend of my was a criminal lawyer for the public defense. She worked very hard and extremely long hours. She had several cases going all at once and it was non stop work. She quit the public defenders office because it was overwhelming and stressful and went into corporate law. The hours were still long, but not as bad and she made more money. 12. I can go on and on and don’t get me started on Tyler Perry himself and his script writing. Oh my goodness!!
Sounds like you're the one blabbing. 2. They were on vacation and he asked Monica nicely not to call. Any real man would've done the same. 4. When did Terry cheat? Don't worry. I'll wait. 6. You clearly missed the part when Terry said he was getting his medical bag. It was just a wine bottle. Cry me a river. 7. It is a wife's job screw her husband on a regular basis. Duh! 8. He did that to get back at Dianne. Damn, so much went over your head in this movie. 😆😆😆 10. He didn't deny her anything. Their daughter was already sleeping when Dianne got home. Duh! You just came here to troll.
The reason Angela's value as a working mother was never questioned is because Marcus was her employee. They came to work together and left together, so he couldn't use the excuse of Angela being a workaholic and not spending enough time with their son, becaue he was right alongside Angela working those same amount of hours.
From my understanding, they all met in college- and then after college the couples moved away to different to regions and use the retreat as a chance to meet up as a group. I do think that Terry and Marcus and their wives live close, since in pt2 they fly together to the Bahamas. But I also get the sense they are not particularly close in day to day life. For example them waiting until the retreat to catch up with each other’s lives/relationships, them not not knowing about Trina even though she and Sheila are very close, them abandoning Sheila and being A-Ok when she goes missing for months, them being shocked when Mike shows up to the Bahamas in pt.2, them being shocked by Patricia’s and Gavin’s divorce in pt2 etc.
@@HeitCheri Y’all are right. I’ll just blame Tyler and his poor writing for that one, cause now I’m confused 😂. If they live close enough to meet up for drinks, why did everyone take such vastly different modes of transport to Colorado, since they were all travelling at the same time- usually friends who are leaving from the same place travel together ( or at least in pairs). And why didn’t they all get the same flight to the Bahamas in pt2 since they all left on the same day? It does seem like they ‘swoop in’ to advance the plot, but there aren’t any of the typical casual interactions you’d expect of close friends that live near each other, like going to each other’s homes etc. They only meet up to talk about their relationship problems 😂. Tyler uses dialogue to drive the plot forward, so he has the couples update each other on their relationships in order to let the audience know what’s happening. But the downside to that is that it makes the characters seem like they are separated from each other’s daily lives.
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@5:20 I think Diane not believing or accepting the advice from Terry as a doctor speaks to their horrible communication skills. Communication isn't just about talking to each other, or even listening to each other. Communication is also about trusting what the other person has to say. On both sides of this relationship, they do not trust each other.
I don't necessarily feel terry was wrong. He was frustrated. Diane was avoiding him and using everything as an excuse. She had issues with Terry and that was wrong to not tell him. That's your husband. She could have opened her mouth or got counseling if she didn't feel comfortable. It's wrong to shut your partner out.
I know this isn’t Terry or Diane related but I don’t see how in no way shape or form they were all still cool with Mike after he aired them out! In the second one he wouldn’t have been able to even come around me!
He did it because 1 like he said yall not gonna just make me be the bad guy and 2 all of them had issues that needed to be resolved but by keeping secrets from each other it will get resolved
Diane never wanted to be married nor have children. Her career was her number one priority. She even blew off her friends. I fully understand that we have to work to get by in life, but you must have a life outside of work. Working constantly and not having a life outside of work is extremely unhealthy in various ways.
Thank you, that’s big issue here she is letting her work consume her life which is why terry told her assistant not to call but females not gonna like that😁😂🤣
The fact that Tyler really made their marriage last is mind blowing. Diane was very dismissive, condescending, sneaky, combative, manipulative and not to mention a cheater… Terry was very passive, dismissive and sneaky. I say that because there was obviously a agreed outlook on what their marriage would look like, but as soon as the marriage and other accomplishments were applied changed the whole outlook of wants. More so hers, than his. I don’t like how this is something that they plan out literally every year, that she doesn’t do the sue diligence to have one of her colleagues take over the case for that week. Even to the point where she forgot her own daughter, twice. When that was mentioned (her priorities), she immediately dismissed him. It’s hard to say someone is “nagging” when someone is purposely ignores your plight. I also feel Diane assistant is very much MESSY lol. Because she didn’t even call for any updates or anything urgent with the case (which kind of proves Terrys point), but just to say what Terry said and we literally NEVER heard about the assistant or the case for the rest of the trip… The movie really 😂 I’m sorry, I don’t see that as controlling when they have always had the trip set in motion. That’s not a fair judgement because 1. That wasn’t applied because he separated work and home, and 2. The responsibility was hers to manage her life and she simply chose not to. So you cannot apply something or conjure something that never occurred. He isn’t traditional at all. He doesn’t have an issue with her career, it’s her poor management. They also spoke about how this has been more so a problem in the present time-Not overall. He wasn’t asking her to debunk her whole career, just set base compromise for a WEEK. We literally did not hear about her career after that scene, honestly. He already expressed his grievances… So another “nagging” moment would have done what exactly? He also hit the nail on the head with her purposely arguing with him every night to avoid having sex with him. Yikes. Then later on at the table we learn that both decided to make very impactful decisions in their marriage based on each others wants without considering the other. Him testing DNA on Kenya, and her tying her tubes. Some would LOVE to say, “well it’s her body”… Well she’s engaged in a marriage where she actively presses hope in her husband that it’ll happen, just not at that moment all while KNOWING she got the procedure done. That’s sick. He went and got a DNA test on their daughter because of “how much she worked”, so it gave him question instead of being honest with how he felt with his wife-All while begging to still have another kid. That’s sick. I say it’s sick because to sit on information like that while also asking if things from your wife and husband is gut wrenching to me tbh. Then moving towards the end.. The foreshadowing irony of adultery being brought up in their relationship. Diane’s nerve kind of makes me laugh because you purposely ignore your family, but then attack someone who is simply just helping in areas that aren’t being met (not inappropriately with your husband). But you do it to not have to answer to your shortcomings. All for her to be the one that ends up cheating in the marriage. I cannot. All in all. I think they definitely should have only been together for a season. I don’t think she was honest with what she actually wanted for her life, which caused it to show up in other areas. I also don’t think Terry was willing to let go once he realized that. But of course, no matter how dysfunctional the marriage is… Tyler Perry makes em stay together or somebody dies 🤷🏽♀️ Also, NONE of them was Sheila’s friend.. or any friends to each other tbh. I’m sorry. I don’t care if I thought it was in their faces or not. They should have told them everything that they knew. I also wouldn’t be coo with my man being friends with a dude like these group of men and women. They are literally a group of enablers. Which makes me see they were ok with what was going on 🤷🏽♀️ No sir. Not doing that in this space over here. They excused a lil too much for me-On both the men and women side of things.
I wouldn’t say I think Diane’s assistant is messy- to me that’s just Tyler Perry’s poor writing, in order to advance the conflict between Diane and Terry. Because why would she call her just to say that😂. It makes no sense and like you said when the retreat actually starts and everyone arrives, it becomes a non- issue altogether. We never see her doing any work at all. I don’t think it’s a matter of her managing her work, but her mismanagement of her life - the grunt work to become an established successful criminal attorney requires too much of a time commitment for her to be present in any other role. I think in Tyler Perry’s bid to make Terry ‘right’, he missed the need to expand on a key point of this couple, and that is what was agreed upon before marriage, so that it’s clear what/who actually changed or if their expectations were just misaligned from the get go. It’s implied that it’s Diane, but I don’t see how she would go from wanting lots of kids to wanting none at all and compromising with the 1- it’s too big of a jump. Also law is notorious for being a labour heavy, time consuming job, especially criminal law- so again what were their expectations of their marriage life when they both worked high profile, time consuming jobs ( I’m sure Terry’s job was super time consuming in the beginning which was what allowed him to establish himself later on).
@@blackscreenrelaxation5824 It only becomes a non issue because she doesn’t engage anymore. She finds something else to obsess over. Because let’s be real. That was her being antagonistic. You mean to tell me the whole drive up here and when you arrive you are purposely and overtly focused on this work to the point you dismiss him… Fall asleep on him… Just to never even try to refer to it only when you throwing digs or tryna win a argument? She did it a the table with the “for the enjoyment” comment, in the bedroom and with their argument in the end. It’s ridiculous. So yes, to me the assistant is messy. It was her management. She stated she made partner. The reality of that is, very much like a doctor, you do have your demands. However, you also have that power and give privilege that allows you different resources. As a high power attorney, a partner.. You mean to tell me she doesn’t have a council to handle the case for a trip that everybody knows she takes year after year? That she doesn’t have the management or say to set her schedule? Make her demands of work-home balance a known priority? I have personally dated an attorney myself. Those resources were indeed there for him to use when he had things in his personal life set in place. I could give her that if this was in the space of her being a paralegal, maybe. But she is well versed and seasoned in her field. That’s not a realistic outlook. That’s usually the clime up to that ladder. Making partner is that bread and butter. Kind of like Terrys private practice. It’s things he can make happen now more so than when he was a resident. Especially when like I said, she doesn’t obsess over it at all until it’s either convenient or the final punch line in an argument. I think we can conclude it’s Diane only because he uses the other couples to confirm their dynamic. Also certain things that she says also confirms that. It’s not a hard concept to grasp about the compromises of that at all. Like I stated in my initial comment, I believe that it was an instance to where she never wanted those things. But just wasn’t honest. Neither one of them should have been together. I put the light to her only because if you honestly in the end seen that you did not want things but continue to string along and hold out your marriage for your benefit it then becomes a problem. Terry was very clear on his wants and she never refuted that he change. So we can only conclude that this has been something he has had set in stone since they met. It is the responsibility on the changing party to express that. Because if not, you’ll have situations like these where you resent your life and start finding ways to stay away from it; like endless hours of work to avoid it. That’s not conducive at all. Or like she did in the other movie and begin cheating. It doesn’t make sense to assume the partner that is being held off on hope by the other one needs to initiate that.
@@theculturalconfusion7748 So what you’re saying is that Diane’s work isn’t an issue, she just weaponises it when she wants to avoid her husband or win an argument. I think this P.O.V makes a lot of sense, but I also think the idea of purposeful avoidance is later contradicted when Terry details how the daughter is affected as well. If engaging with work is an intentional decision she makes to avoid/antagonise her husband, then why involve her daughter? Why would she purposefully leave her own child at school or involve her in her work? If the implication is that she’s a poor mother, why would Terry want another child with her? For me, her daughter, her forgetfulness, and her phone constantly ringing when she’s off the clock, suggests that her heavy workload and the time it consumes isn’t necessarily a choice or a tactic, more so a genuine consequence of her career (that she uses as a convenient, but true excuse when necessary). As for Diane’s job- I think that you’re adding a lot of context that Tyler himself doesn’t give to the movie- and I think that it’s only fair to assess each characters actions within the parameters of the details that we are actually given in the movie, not based on what would happen in reality. Ultimately the resources that are available to her, and whether she is purposefully choosing to not use them remains unknown. Again I wish Tyler had expanded on this to give us more context into Diane’s motivations. Finally, I think you contradicted yourself when you said that she never wanted those things from the get go, but then said that it is the ‘responsibility of the changing party to express that’- she either never wanted these things or she did want these things and then changed her mind. She definitely expressed her reluctance to have more kids to Terry, since it’s clear from his conversation with Gavin that he knows. Which is why I say I wish Tyler had made it clear what their agreement was. Did she make it clear to him in the beginning, but they decided to get married anyway, hoping to change each other’s minds? Did she lie about her desire for kids, to keep Terry? Did they both want lots of kids in the beginning, but Diane later changed her mind?
Was the compromise that although she didn't want any children she'd acquiesce and give him one with the mutual understanding that that was all? If so, the tube-tying may have been her best option. He's clearly not let up on having more kids, and we see how dismissive and passive-aggressive he is toward Diane, so I imagine talks of contraception went nowhere. Condoms, vasectomy, the pill, all of which would've allowed them to maintain an active sex life without unduly risking an unwanted pregnancy. So her options: violate her own autonomy and disregard the terms of their compromise; avoid sex altogether; go on the pill and have to daily hide things from her husband (man, the stress!); or get a one-time procedure that meets her needs, honors the compromise to which they both agreed, allows for sexual intimacy and at least buys space for her husband to dream his dream of more kids. I mean, he's a physician, he knows pregnancy isn't guaranteed even with constant sex
Honestly, I would’ve snapped on Terry. I get his frustration, but his passive aggressiveness & dismissal would drive me crazy. I’m not saying Diane was right at all. But, he was soooo annoying. & to be fair, maybe the lack of sex had him cranky all the time. But, I honestly have a hard time believing Diane even wants to be with him. She doesn’t even behave like a woman who wants to be married or have kids. She seems like someone who would be happier single and child free. What Terry needed was a housewife who did everything he said.
She was wrong for getting her tunes tied and not telling her husband but I dont think it's a man's place to push his wife to have more children if she doesn't want too.
I agree somewhat with the controlling on Terrys part..but in his defense he’s being completely ignored by his wife and just wants to get closer to her. She’s constantly choosing work over her family
I’m going to speak to the open secret/rumor about Tyler Perry being gay. the theory is: he creates characters that aren’t truly intimate with women..that’s why in all of his movies where he’s a regular guy and not Madea there is no real love interest.
@10:50 I think Sheriff Troy probably works with local government to advertise his business through online brochures and such. I use to work with a small business government branch that helped small businesses get grants to help them expand. Maybe that's how it happened lol Also Troy owning the business and being a sheriff seems to be all tied up with his father's money. His father was successful, he was able to leave behind land, finance Troy's education...I assume. There is a lot of missing pieces, but I'm just guessing. It makes sense that if Troy came from money, he would be able to elevate himself in a town they may or may not be ....diverse. lol
This breakdown is actually the best one because y'all exposed aspects of these characters I've never noticed. It's got me hype with my thinking cap on. Edit: Terry and Patricia are pissing me off more than Mike because at least Mike's wrongdoing is acknowledged and called out not these 2
I found it quite interesting that Gavin was the one to bring up that Terry and Diane should have about four kids when literally 5 minutes later the entire room has to be sensitive to the fact that Gavin and Patricia lost the baby. It's interesting to me that he would be the character to bring that up when it would be proved that it's still very sensitive to him just a few minutes later.
I feel there’s a difference between your child dying and joking about not having the amount of kids you want while still having one that’s still alive. Idk, why is a dead child the equivalent of him not having more kids… it’s weird. At this point do they even talk about kids around Gavin and Patricia
@@BabyGirlTiny the reason I equate the two is because the situations were handled almost identically. The verbage used was nearly identical in each situation. In my own opinion, I wouldn't open the door for a conversation I couldn't personally participate in without having an emotional reaction. What's interesting to me is that Patricia did the same thing in the boutique later on. Maybe it's an attempt at deflection from them thinking about it themselves.
1:26:51 I think that when Diane says "do it for the enjoyment" she's referring to sex. She wants to have sex for the enjoyment, not to make a child. Maybe she feels Terry is sucking the joy out of their sex life by applying too much pressure on making a baby she doesn't want.
Interesting indeed. I assumed she meant work, but this makes more sense. I didn't understand why she was avoiding sex if her tubes are tied. But, now that you put it that way, maybe it's not enjoyable with him. Ouch!
Tbh they are just ill suited. A generally good man isn’t necessarily the man for you. Even though Terry’s supposed to be perfect, their relationship reads like watching a woman stuffing her foot in a too small shoe. She’s constantly made to compromise for a man ‘cause he good. Like what 😂😂😂 he keep making her have babies. Diane was beyond wrong for a secret tube tie rouse but there is no telling how much she even really wanted to have that first kid. They just have such a different view of marriage and really should’ve talked that through before hand. They are really the least compatible couple on here. The others were at least toxically compatible in some cases, they ain’t even got that 😂😂😂😂.
My problem with this is that there's a continuity error in the 2nd movie. If they have a daughter and she in that like 8-10 range then no way in hell would their son ( explained by Diane having her tubes untied) be close in age after a year. he'd be at most 3 months like Sheila's baby.
@@chaosspy6723 I justified it as them having the baby right after this vacation, then spending a few years NOT having another vacation (with all the drama before, why would they?) Once everyone was settled in their lives, they wanted to start fresh on a beautiful island. But even that has its own issues, because if that were the case…how in the world did Terry & Diane’s daughter NOT know that Uncle Mike was no longer in the picture? Lol
I'm glad that Cheri caught the plot hole about the geographical locations of all of these couples. Cuz I was screaming with her when she said if Angela and Diane can just pop up on Patricia's job out of the blue with no warning, then why couldn't Marcus go see his goddaughter? Is that why Patricia thought somebody died or something because they popped up at her job and they don't live in the same town? Or is Marcus too busy sleeping with Keisha and getting burned by Walter that he can't go see his goddaughter?
I wonder did they have a conversation before they got married about how many children they want it? And after their first child did Diane ever talk to Dee Ree about her feelings about having other children?
I think this may have been Diane's big mistake, not revisiting the conversation about how many kids she wanted once she realized that she didn't want more.
Agreed with above. I think thats why its important to revisit expectations and goals, because its normal to change and evolve as time goes on. Both may have wanted and expected different things in college vs. now. I was just talking about this lol - gotta give a disclaimer in the beginning of a relationship because you will evolve if youre doing things right. Thats why open communication is so important. When or if we are feeling different, you have to be open to tell one another and trust each other to hear one another out.
Me either! I think it will be very interesting to discuss Patricia in particular. I kind of question whether she should be running a marriage retreat with couples she actually knows. How can she be biased? And if she honestly thinks she is teaching them how to communicate because it seems to me that she is teaching them how to lie my omission.
Maybe Marcus and Angela are the God parents because MAYBE.. it was originally Patricia and Gavin but then their child was accidentally killed, and Terry and Diane decided maybe their kid wouldnt be safe with them anymore?? Or maybe Gavin and Patricia couldn't handle being in charge of another child?
1:49:11 If the shoe was on the other foot and the husband said, “I Gave You A Child, now leave me alone” !! “You’re lucky you got the first one” !! plus getting a vasectomy, would any wife honestly be cool with it ? His body His choice….right ?!!
Also ik you guys mentioned age. The actress that played Trina was 25 at the time of the movie and everyone else already seemed like they were in their 30s. During the time of the movie. So maybe she really was supposed to play a younger woman
Tbh Diane’s tube tie situation is a plot hole possibly depending on their home state. 😩 In some states when married you had to get your partner to approve too and it’s a process depending on providers. Or if single or don’t have children etc you need a psych evaluation, especially in 2007. So much so that it’s a big deal. Big enough that Diane would’ve been complaining about finding someone to do it with ease. It’s a fight women have talked about for decades now.
Yea but I think it was striving for more balance than control. We need to feel important and need reassurance just like women do. Part of the reason I see it that way is because I'm a libra. Also, it's easier to see other ppl situations clearly because you're not as close to the picture as you are to your own situation. If that makes sense..
Absolutely! Terry felt that Diane "should" perform her wifely duties whether she wanted to or not. He made her feel guilty about not wanting to instead of trying to get to the bottom of why she didn't want to. His ego made him feel like she owed it to him as his wife. Same thing with having another baby. If I want another child, you as my wife "should" want to give me a son. It is your duty and your obligation. So yes, he did try to control her with passive aggression, gaslighting, snide remarks, and by putting a guilt trip on her for wanting to prioritize her career.
I think that Terry and Diane are poorly written. I feel like the audience is supposed to see Terry as attempting to communicate, and Diane is too caught up in work to listen. But all I see is Terry making passive-aggressive remarks, and Diane is not involving herself in the conversation. They are both terrible communicators. I honestly don't think that Terry is out of line when asking for more of Diane time with himself and their daughter, but how he says it sounds like an attack on her as a mother and wife and is why she drowns him out. I think it's funny Terry is supposed to be an example of a great communicator, but he's getting in his own way with his communication style. Although Im not sure if Diane would change her schedule or attempt too but then Terry has his answers. He is completely overstepping when he answers her phone and tells her assistant not to call. That is absolutely controlling behavior. He is taking away her autonomy because he doesn't like her decisions. He never asks her about the importance of the cases she's working on. To be fair, he should have expected this when she was going to law school. It's kind of the equivalent of marrying a soldier and then getting upset when they are deployed. You were aware that this was part of the deal when you got married.
I love the debate you both had at 1:43:00 because I can see both sides of it. When I originally watched the movie, I felt like he was coming from a place of desperation. He wanted his wife, who had been neglecting him and his daughter, to spend time with them, something I've heard my aunt tell my uncle many due to how unavailable he was due to his job as a lawyer (funny enough). It took my uncle a heart attack and a near divorce to realize that he needed to take a step back and be a family man, because he loved my aunt and cousin, but he wanted to provide for them. At the same time, my aunt would NEVER tell his assistant to not call them during a weekend nor ask for sex as much. So, that kind of makes me think that it could be a scenario where it could be both him being desperate to have his wife around more while also being more at the head of the family.
While I absolutely agree that I believe this is the case, does that excuse the behavior though. At the end of the day, your uncle made those choices to change and was not forced to by your aunt. Terry is taking away Diane's choice by setting up a situation where she doesn't even know there is another choice, which she is guilty of the exact same thing with not telling him about her decision to not have any more children. They need to be more honest with each other and dig deeper when they communicate. Instead of being passive-aggressive, Terry could say something more like, "It hurts me when you don't spend time with me and our daughter. Your job is a massive part of your life, and I respect that, but I want to feel like our child and I are as important too." Then Diane has a choice to participate in fixing these problems or not. After that, then Terry has the information he needs to leave the marriage or not.
Does anyone else think Diane is younger than the rest of them though? Maybe its just the actress but she seems so young compared to Tyler Perry and the rest of the group.
I think she is supposed to be the same age because she was in college with them at the same time--so she's have to be within three or four years of their ages.
I think y’all missed the sarcasm when Patricia said they had great communication it automatically cut to a scene of them arguing. It was intentional for her to be wrong about them having great communication. From the outside they were supposed to be painted perfect even tho they both had imperfections.
I also don’t think Tyler really wanted the character to be legit perfect, but to also have flaws which is why she brought up his controlling behavior. Perfect people often are wrong & try to control things. I don’t think his flaws of being controlling was addressed much throughout the movie.
I think the flaw of being controlling wasn't addressed because the writer intended for that to be a false accusation against him when Diane said it in the car.
Oh okay, yes that’s what I meant, it was intended for Patricia to be wrong. I agree she was serious when she said it but the scene was made to be ironic. We are on the same page.
Ok so now that I've finished the video I'm back with final thoughts and questions: 1. Do you think Terry and Diane were the single friends that everyone else pushed to be together so they could do cute friend dates in college? Like oh he likes you and he's a nice guy that gonna be a doctor and she did it thinking she could make herself fall in love with him. 2. Not sure about atlanta, but I live in houston and it's big af. It's not weird to have different lives going and yet be close enough to come together when you want because the city is so big. 3. Keshia sharp character was a friend and work colleague. I took her statement to mean like girl I do not want your man. Please take him. 4. Like I said before terry was desperate for Diane to be in love with him the way he was with her so his actions are that of a hurt man. He did things wrong like the DNA test but that probably kept him up at night. Diane has been avoiding Terry for a long time. She grew up and over the relationship but leaving looks bad.
Thanks for watching and for your questions! See my answers below❤️: 1. Do you think Terry and Diane were the single friends that everyone else pushed to be together so they could do cute friend dates in college?
The storyline of Diane and terry is interesting however I feel that it could’ve touched on more deep topics when it comes to balancing a career and a having kids especially if the woman doesn’t want kids. But in reality they should’ve never gotten married. Having a kid will always impact the woman and her career more. There’s studies showing that women who have kids suffer financially no matter how high their income is. Even in cases where women are the bread winners they still take a career hit if they become mothers. Kids changes everything and it’s wrong for a man to ask that of a woman if she didn’t want it. I don’t think she was fully selfish by having her tubes tied bc he wouldn’t back down from wanting kids and the child will always affect her more and it’s selfish of him to demand more out of her.
Diane and Terry should not have been together. They should have been the ones to divorce in the second movie. Diane should have remained single or married someone who aligned with and understood her goals. Terry would actually have been better suited with Sheila if they could start all over.
I felt like Terry overall wanted a housewife and thought he can tucker Diane down to one and is resentful of her because she refuses. There were totally some prior conversations and someone lied.
When Patricia was heading to wake her up...smh I have always been annoyed at that. I also think she enjoyed calling out the girls (perhaps unconsciously) but it was unnecessary because she wasnt transparent about her own marriage. Her feedback was very much "quotable lines" not really meaningful and honest.
It's hard because I always struggle with whether I'm reading too much into these stories because.... it's Tyler Perry. In regards to the virtue of his f Character I think it's a dig at the working woman. The reason Angela doesn't get critiqued as a mother is because she's the breadwinner because her husband isn't working (works for her). She works hard and doesn't technically have to because her husband also works. I also wonder if it's also a dig at the idea that women complain that their husbands aren't present but when they are they don't appreciate/know how to handle it. Idk though, it's all based off the assumption that Perry's characters (the ones he plays) are always more in the right.
These days when women are working on vacation, the culture will say “yass boss babe” “he should be understanding” “it’s giving insecure little d energy” But let him do it and he is “emotionally unavailable” “selfish” "not present" BUT I do think he is trying to make light of himself as well
I think Terry moved into a short term rental and he had the money to move quickly and subsequently break the lease. It was just another plot hole in my opinion. Not a big one, but still.
1:33:19. Y’all looking at it from a different angle. That’s the reason she’s avoiding sex. He doesn’t know about the procedure done to her. She knows he wants more children. The fact she did it behind his back for all of those years ago. If Terry got a vasectomy and she wanted more kids and all he did was avoid sex because of course, she doesn’t know about it, she will have issue and think he was cheating, until it came out.
But Terrys work didn't impede fellowship with his wife OR friends. Diane was working on the way there, working when she got there, working in her sleep. Then only stopped working for her friends, then was too preoccupied with her friends, so she says is the reason, to give him some. All Terry did was give a shot. Its not the same.
@15:05 Imagine Monica's reaction on the other side of the phone. And Terry saying to not call was like he already assumed that whatever she was doing, whatever case she was on...was not significant. Monica: "Yeah but Terry, it's a case about murder" Terry: "I'm trying to sleep with my wife this weekend. If they die..they die." That's crazy. It's interesting because Diane doesn't respect him as a doctor and Terry clearly doesn't respect her as a lawyer.
I love the commentary on this movie. I have to say in our couple group, I find out more gossip from my partner then my friends. He can’t wait to leave to start telling everything lol.
Not necessarily. You could just have Dianne as the attorney and Monica is the paralegal who writes up the torts. That’s usually how it works. One attorney gets the case.
Another point: I agree Diane was selfish for getting her tubes tied and not telling Terry, but... they've been married this whole time and the subject of the number of kids was never brought up??? Gavin knew how many kids terry desired, so how did Diane not know?
@@HeitCheri ok then that means she's even more selfish for going there if she ultimately didn't want to have that many kids/ kids at all. Seems like that would be a deal breaker for Terry from the off set.
I'm sure they talked about it, but they probably both assumed that the other would change their minds, or Diane has changed her mind since then. She is allowed to change her mind, but she does need to tell Terry.
I think y’all looking at Terry with a negative light a lil too much here. He’s known these friends since college. Just like anyone else, he knows when to step in and when not to. They all know Angela’s temper so, why would he try to diffuse it ? I would move out of the way as well. I’m not collateral damage for their drama.
Hi guys! Ive grew up with 10 uncles and 4 aunties and my grandma and in my life ive seen men don't say anything . And i know becive seen it personally staying with my aunt n their husband. Then when i use to baby sit for my uncles and whooo they had so many juicy secrets. Hidden or not came out years later when ish hit the fan . Lol. I been out my granny house bout 10yrsand secrets still falling out lol
Sheila's "friends" really piss me off. They're so hellbent on keeping the "peace” that they'd rather let Sheila think she's the damn problem and it's really Mike's deceitful ass.
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This couple severely lacked communication, because the discrepancy between one partner wanting 4 kids and the other only wanting 1 then tying her tubes is huge.
And what's crazy is that the professional psychologist, Dr. Patricia, said they had great communication *side eye* 😂
@@HeitChericriminal offensive side eye
@@HeitCheri can you make a video video about pat and gavin
When Tyler isn’t playing Madea he really writes some “interesting”characters for himself . He was so self righteous in this film
@@GoddesssofMind"interesting"😂😂
The big question that was never talked about in this movie was, did Terry and Diane discuss how many children they wanted PRIOR to marriage? Terry doesn't own Diane's body and vice versa, but, getting your tubes tied or a vasectomy just reeks poor communication and sneakiness. They needed therapy rather than Diane just apologizing to him.
We touched on that s bit in the video, but I think that Diane could have possibly changed how she felt about kids once she was faced with the actual challenge of balancing career and motherhood.
An she was controlling behind his back
@@HeitCherinah yall give her too much grace an she's the real problem
😂 I hear ya! Call it like you see it! ❤️
@wyntahb3968 By no means am I trying to put words in anyone's mouth, but my understanding was not that anyone was trying to give Diane too much grace as much as there is a problem with the writing. Terry seems to be written in a way that he isn't really at fault for anything. That his controlling behavior, as Diane calls it, isn't really controlling, but the actions of a man that is desperate. He loves his family, and he is making these bad decisions to make his marriage work, so that excuses his behavior. I think if the characters were written better and that they were both to blame for their problems, then it wouldn't look like Terry was a Gary Sue. Nobody likes a Gary Sue.
Terry = Tyler + Perry, he didn’t even try to hide it lol.
Also, I think it says a lot about Tyler Perry that his characters when he cast himself are supposed to be flawless, but we have the audience notice that they are in fact, very flawed.
*as the audience
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Damn...how did I miss that LMAO
Why do I feel he did it on purpose just to spark discussion and deep dives?? His comedy is brash and in your face in a lot of his movies...but his subtle deeper meanings are often missed because he juxtaposes satire/seriousness in his character dialogues very well.
I’m gonna give TP a sliver of credit here and say that he cast himself as Terry because he is arguably the least interesting character in this movie next to Malik Yoba (whatever his name was in the movie; who cares). He wanted his other actors to shine, so he essentially played a B character.
I don't think that Diane avoiding sex is necessarily a plot hole. I honestly think that Diane was avoiding sex because she knew she was never going to get pregnant and that if Terry and her were having sex on a regular basis and she never got pregnant that Terry being a loving and controlling husband would take her to a doctor to get a check up. If that happened then it would be revealed at some point.
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this makes sense
Spot on !
I never thought of that but I do somewhat think that Terri was low key controlling
1:33:02 I don’t think Diane was avoiding sex because she didn’t want to get pregnant. I think she was trying to avoid the conversation with Terry as to why she would never get pregnant because her tubes were tied. The longer they go without sex the longer she can keep her secret.
Agreed, and as a child free woman trying to focus on her career, I'm far more on Diane's side. Obviously she shouldn't have lied, but I understand her reasons
My exact thoughts
My thoughts exactly!
Wait so he’s a pediatrician but giving out shots to Marcus for a STI? Tyler Perry needs other writers 🤨
@@JelissaGonzalez-bv7cr🤣🤣🤣. That can be explained by the way some doctors know other doctors and get illegitimate favors.. its more common than you think.. also.. He could've said the meds were for a teenager.. in some states a child can be tested & treated for STDs/STIs by the age of 13
I didn't like that in the sequel, Diane untied her tubes to have another kid for Terry.
I think it shouldve been a message of appreciating what you have and who you have it with.
Terry shouldve been happy with the life he has with his wife and daughter. But as Diane pointed out: it wasn't enough.
And AGAIN she's providing for him. Providing her body, time, health, and career to make her husband happy.
I haven't seen him do anything for her. He even went as far as faking an affair to get back at her because he didn't get his way.
My least favorite husband in this movie tbh. Mike was awful but at least he got his karma.
And some people will somehow JUSTIFY that. It definitely does give me a gross feeling. Your partner don't want kids. If you can't handle that, move on.
@@pinkanime_cat1460easy to say when kids aren't involved, yet they are
@@ninjanibba4259 Which is understandable. Things always get complicated when kids are involved. I'm just referring to when kids aren't involved in the situation yet
hell no he got what he wanted and i feel like they likely would of separated in the second movie if she didn’t
@@practicalgamer4991as they should’ve. Compromising on a whole life is absolutely unacceptable.
Diane never came across as a women that is attracted to her husband. I’m not referring to her sexuality but she never seemed interested in Terry
Also Terry made it seem like he knew 1000% they would have a boy. What if it was a girl? Was he gonna expect Diane to just keep having babies until they did? That’s why wanting a certain sex of child is problematic. Your putting pressure on a person that’s not even been conceived yet. And the mother .
That’s what I was thinking! Like what’s the obsession with having just a boy specifically? When we know genders a toss up. Then you have to wonder about favoritism and all that.
@@anabana538 Well thing is it’s the same with every couple that wants kids. They could want a boy or a girl and all they can do is try to get what they want. My aunt and uncle wanted a boy and they ended up with 4 daughters. So yeah people don’t always get what they want but at the very least a couple could try to get a son or daughter if they want one. As for child favoritism that really depends on the couple and how they raise their kids. Now, if all the kids are doing all right, then I see no reason to play favoritism. The only way I can kind of justify parents liking one or more kids over the other is if one or more of their kids basically is doing something to mess up their own lives. For example, for a while, my parents didn’t like my youngest brother because he was already in his late teens and being extremely lazy. all he was doing was playing games on his computer all night and sleeping during the day. he had no interest in working around the house or getting a job and his grades kind of weren’t good either. Years later he got a job and finally learned some responsibility and is doing better today.
Patricia telling Diane to comprise was CRAZY. That’s not something you can comprise on, you can’t comprise on human life !
She needs to follow her own advice! She knows Gavin wants more children and she refuses to “compromise” and oblige him with his baby. Patricia is such a hypocrite.
She’s so hypocritical and doesn’t even utilize this ‘knowledge’ her character attempts to portray. So many things she says/does are downright horrible especially for a healthy marriage.
@@missmisher I don’t think that’s entirely true. Janet Jackson in an interview said that Patricia is someone who is good at giving other people advice, but has trouble with her own problems. Which actually is how many people are. It’s hard to say if Patricia and Gavin wanted more kids or not, or if just one of them did. They definitely wanted it at least two when they first got married, because Terry said it during a conversation between him and Gavin. However, after their son passed away they were definitely unsure about what they wanted now.
@@missmisher it’s a good thing Patricia didn’t give in. No child deserves what they had going on.
Actually that is a discussion you have before you get married. If she did not want any children she should have told him long before they got married. This is why I believe in premarital counseling.
I been waiting for this!!! I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed that Tyler LOVES to cast himself as the good man that’s always right in his films. The only thing he gets caught up for is the DNA test, and that is quickly brushed over. Everybody else’s characters showed both positive and negative attributes throughout the 2 films, and had their turn as the villain. But not Tyler’s though- his wife is the villain in the relationship the whole time, and his character is forever the victim. I hate the bias he uses in his casting of himself.
In the play, Terry admitted to cheating on Diane once. In the movie, Terry recalled a time where he was in a position where he could have cheated, but didn't.
@@joshuamcdowell9745 Exactly- he sanitised the character in the movie, because he was the one playing it. In comparison to his cheating friends, he is a saint for resisting the temptations that they couldn’t.
I am so glad you brought that up about Perry. I have always noticed the same thing about the characters he plays. Terry is a know it all, arrogant, self righteous, narcissist, control freak. Tyler Perry is basically playing himself in this role. All of his scripts in his films come across in the same way. They all have this underlying message to women (being subservient, settling for less, putting your needs & or desires to the side, etc.) which is inherent in the Terry character’s treatment and expectations for the Diane character.
@@Oxygen257this is the exact reason I can’t stand his movie good deeds. It’s a whole film about him being some great person that’s also successful and a hero on top of that 🥴🥴
What do you expect it’s his movie😂
In Diane's defense, this is completely normal for attorneys to do. I was apparalegal specialist working in a criminal law for 6 years. This is our norm. So if her husband has a problem with her working x number of hours into the day and night, he has always had a problem with it. Because she has been working at this capacity ever since she passed the bar. These are completely normal expectations when working in the legal field. He just has the benefit of being the doctor in charge at his private practice. So like you said, he has all these other people in systems in place who can handle any extra calls for him. And being that he's the one whose name is on everyone's paycheck, who's really going to call him? So this is definitely Tyler Perry's character just wanted to be controlling. Because Diane has had to do this from day one. And as her husband he has seen this the entire journey. It's not like it's just now happening. It's actually worse in the lower ranks. When you're a new associate, you get all of the grunt work. Being that she's the top litigator, she has a bit more flexibility in that she can actually leave the building and no longer do overnights.
One thing about Terry that absolutely scares me is how some of what he does actually tips into abusive characteristics. He picks up her phone and throws it. Destroying your partner's property is never a good thing. He has managed to convince an attorney to have a child she didn't even want. Diane already knew that she didn't want to have kids. She said earlier that she compromised by having the one. So now forcing her to have another child is honestly insane. Diane tie her tubes and not telling anyone is definitely a sketchy move. It is underhanded entirely. But I can see how she would be afraid to tell him anything. Terry has a lot more underlying aggression than I remember viewing the first time around as a kid. Now, Terry getting a DNA test on the one child they do have is wild. Diane already did not want a kid, you getting it tested to make sure it's yours? Who else was she going to have a child that she didn't want to have with? So I feel like Diane's reaction in the car was more so passive aggressive sarcasm. Like " oh wow, she's yours? Who would have thunk it😒". Both of them have terrible communication. Their method is to simply not talk about it and handle things behind the next one's back. Up until they now shouting at each other in the house. They're pretty bad for each other. At least Marcus and Angela talk regularly (Even if it is shouting).
Thanks for weighing in on this!
Yep, your correct I’m with an attorney and he is always working. Dating them isn’t easy. If you need a lot of attention they aren’t suitable for you.
Boom! I think Mr. Perry writes his character to be perfect compared to Marcus, but for the most part...Marcus is more transparent than Terry.
She made a selfish choice then. Don't choice married life and parenthood if you're married to your career.
It's the hypocrisy of Terry for me. He can't seem to fathom her workload is going to steal her time away, but shames her for it as if she can stop completely.
Terry should’ve been with someone who shared his dream for a big family. Simple. He was wrong and she was wrong but I understand her rash decision to get her tubes tied. She kept saying she wasn’t ready.
Edit: Y’all calling him Terry/Madea is tickling me!
And him kissing on Diane and watching her reaction to it makes me so uncomfortable lol
I think the trouble is they got together in college when they may not fully know what they want or expect form life. Then a decade or more later when they have a better idea of all that they may discover that they don't want the same things.
@@HeitCheri Very true! I bet they didn’t expect this to be an issue when they first got married. I also bet after the first child she was kind of like me lol This is A LOT and one is enough but that does cause issues when your husband wants more 🤣
It makes me uncomfortable too his relationship as an actor with women when acting in a couple is really awkward.
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It makes me cringe
She told her friends that she wasn’t ready but not 1 time did she tell terry that
How does Diane take a week vacation in the middle of defending a 16 year old in a capitol murder trial?? That’s another question. Tyler Perry really don’t think things through when he write 😂 he just let the pen hit the paper..
Bottom line: Patricia is an unreliable narrator/ psychologist, Terry Madea is an unreliable sage of any kind of advice. They both, despite being probably the most (booksmart) educated, are probably the most detrimental people in the friend group.
And this is why there must be a balance and distinction between academics and practical knowledge. Also, I don't see a lot of critical thinking happening with either of these characters.
@@HeitCheri and... better writing from Tyler perry lol. Both of those characters could have been legit pillars for the group (which I feel was supposed to be the intent), but like Heit always makes a point is we're presented with what we're shown. Tyler perry dropped the ball big time making Angela the drunk the most reasonable one who gets sh*t done.
Terry Madea🤣🤣🤣
@@cabbitness1983Reasonable my foot. Let's not forget that Angela gave Marcus an STD.
Terry: When you get married you give up the I for the us.
Also Terry "I want a baby for us"
LMAO
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1:33:25 to me, she never wanted him. She’s not attracted to him, she just knows that that’s the kind of man she supposed to be with
To me it always seemed like Diane was giving the impression that she wasn't even sexually attracted to Terry. In society, it is expected in many families to have a lucrative career, get married and have a family and I think that's what was expected of Diane or at least that's what Diane thought was expected of her. It's also obvious that she didn't even want to have her daughter let alone having more children because she specifically said that she "compromised" with having their daughter. That lets me know that she didn't want to have children at all but at least compromise with having 1 for Terry's sake. She only married Terry because he was husband and father material. There was never any attraction for him hence the reason she was having an affair in WDIGM2.
When it comes to sexual desires, I think this can manifest in different presentations for couples. Audiences are used to open displays of physical affection as the only way to indicate sexual attraction between two people. Truth is, I've known plenty of couples who, by these standards, wouldn't seem to be sexually attracted to one another, but yet they are.
I absolutely loath how the ladies let Sheila blame herself without even a "No, it's not your fault" or "He's lucky to have you". If they felt so strongly about her not being ready to hear the truth (BS, but go off), they didn't have to tell her, but they felt no need to even comfort her? How would they have responded to this talk if they didn't have confirmation that Mike was cheating? He's still clearly at least emotionally abusive, and their friend is hurtin'.
Their listening to her self-flagellation while kiki'ing and shopping with the other woman is beyond my comprehension.
They are not friends with Sheila...you see the wig they let her wear. Enough said lol
@@msalexandraj2384 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 VALID ASF
Patricia's avoidant behavior and encouraging her friends to be avoidant was the reason why her marriage ended the way it did in the 2nd movie. Gavin hints in the 1st movie he wants kids after losing the 1st child and Patricia shuts him down immediately. Sheila says she think Gavin and Patricia's marriage will last and everyone glosses over their response that their marriage isnt well. 2nd movie, Gavin is done with her shit and he wants to move forward, he wants more kids.
Preach!!!!
They problem was they grieved apart instead of together that sperated them and made them just go through the motions. This common after a child passed with a couple
Terry definitely gave me madea vibes when he was yelling at Diane while their daughter was sleeping 😭😭😭
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Lol
Word every time I watch that scene I just start cracking up 😂😭😫 #Hellur
Why is it that women have to stop their career ambitions. When they're a mother and wife. The husband don't have to give up any of those things.
It's the plight of the working woman. That's been the issue since women started having careers. It's completely unfair!
@@HeitCheri Also as dangerous it is to have black women to have children. Pressuring one to have one has a different level to it. Compared to a non BW. That should have been a discussion before marriage. I wasn't feeling Tyler Perry character. He was given I want my wife barefoot pregnant and making babies. Her character doesn't give that kind of energy.
@@avaphynxSo it's cool to neglect your husband and child because you want to chase a damn career? Get real. 😆😆
Terry never asked Diane to give up her job tho
@@SpeedyUsher same thing men have been doing for centuries?
See and I tried to defend Diane once and a bunch of dudes got on to me saying it was my “woman’s perspective” like…the woman didn’t want another baby i can understand that. I get they may have discussed it once but things change and Terry can’t tell me he didn’t notice after trying for so long that she wasn’t interested. It’s also not like he didn’t have another child to love he was just obsessed with having a son like most men and it was like is your daughter not enough to you that you would jeopardize your marriage. And I’m not tryna be rude like I get it if he really wanted a son but it was clear your wife wasn’t interested in having another baby that’s a lot on a woman’s body and she has a career she’s into at this point and he just wasn’t willing to compromise with her. The main things Diane did wrong was getting too wrapped up in her work and not telling him she got her tubes tied which is something he wouldn’t have a say in anyways it’s her body but she could’ve at least told him, but she basically made up on his terms and he got his son in the end which means she got her tubes undone, yikes.
First i didnt know women could get their tubes undone. Isnt that life threatening for women? Second i disagree that its her body her choice when your married i feel you become one entity meaning he should havr a say because he swore on the bible to stay married to you for life so if he wanted more kids his opinion should be atleast considered.
THIS! And imagine if they had another daughter? Terry would’ve kept trying and trying and trying until he got HIS son
Her tubes shouldn't have been tied to begin with
@@breeyanna99 well he did want 4 so
She didn’t tell him that tho that’s the big issue here, if Diane would’ve told terry how she felt about the situation and then if he would’ve still been upset about it instead of being understanding then I would be 1,000% on your side but since she didn’t SHE IS ALL THE WAY WRONG
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She was dismissive of him in the truck on the ride up the mountains. so now when something is important to her, she wants to talk and communicate…. it don’t work like that
Fair observation!
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I think the best relationship out of all of em is Angela and Marcus cus Angela may be loud but she know how to keep it real
@@yukijames1321 Diane box ain't no good tho
There was a part of Terry that wanted some form of control, but it was more so of a need for balance as Diane was always busy. While I understand that her schedule does call for long hours, Diane did use her work to avoid Terry. Although I will admit that Terry was absolutely out of order by telling her assistant not to call.
As for getting their daughter tested, I’m not sure how I feel about that. I truly feel like DNA tests are always in order haha. Diane getting her tubes tied was an extreme because she didn’t have to do that, she could’ve talked to Terry but I get the feeling that Terry doesn’t listen either. So a divorce would’ve been in order for me.
I truly think, like my girl Bondy Blue who did a review on this movie, that Diane didn’t like Terry too much🤣
I always felt that Diane really didn't want to be married. I think singleness would work better for her anyway.
I think part of the reason that Diane and Terry aren't having sex is that Diane knows if she doesn't get pregnant at some point Terry will take her to a doctor and it will be revealed that she had her tubes tied. But I don't think she is actively picking fights to avoid sex per say. I don't necessarily think she's try to avoid sex. I think she's trying to hide the fact she had her tubes tied.
I was thinking about the video y’all are going to do on Patrica and Gavon. And I honestly think why did I get married 2 would be a better insight into their relationship
I was thinking the same thing.
Absolutely !! Out of the 4, Pat and Gavin didn’t have much issues in this movie other than both losing a child by a severe accident. Their issues escalated quickly in the 2nd.
Well, the one climactic scene in their kitchen in this first one gives us a good entry point.
@@TheRetroWoman80 yeah but that was towards the end of the movie. The good stuff is in the second one
@@Dedego768 It sure is. I just meant that that one glimpse proved, to me anyway, that the glossy lovey dovey stuff (even the consoling after finally talking about their son) was not going to cut it for them because Patricia did not fully trust him going forward.
I remember watching this in theaters as a child, and Terry's character definitely reads as the most moral one in the group. I thought Diane was totally in the wrong back then, and while she does have some serious faults, Terry is not a saint himself.
As a woman, it can be so detrimental to see media that portrays women as selfish, cold people simply for not wanting children or not wanting sex. I identify as ace & I never want kids, so Terry's complaints were striking a nerve. It feels like that's all Diane is good for, especially when he harped on having a SON. Not just a child, but a boy, as if she can control what gender the baby will be.
I was dreading the end scene with that horrible joke he made about the affair with Pam. Absolutely disgraceful. If I were Diane, I would never trust him after that. Here I am admitting my faults and wanting to work it out, yet you play on our main conflict of whether we should have more kids, and use your employee as a tool to pretend you got her pregnant. How long had it been since he left the house?! A month? Two weeks? To say you got Pam pregnant with twins THAT fast after a blowup with your wife shows just how manipulative Terry really is.
It's no wonder why Diane had an affair in the sequel. They were better off divorced.
"As a woman, it can be so detrimental to see media that portrays women as selfish, cold people simply for not wanting children or not wanting sex."
Good point. To add to this… Terry wanted a SON, but I believe he’d want Diane to keep trying and having as many babies as it took to get his son. Forget the fact that Diane didn’t want kids at all, yet he wanted to trap her with all of these kids, which would potentially end her career as an attorney and force her to be a stay at home mom with no career. That’s crazy to think, but believable for this character.
@@missmisher the traditional man vs the modern woman…
Having hope to get a boy is not a crime, example I want 6 kids and I hope I get 3 boys and 3 girls but if I get 4 boys and 2 girls I’ll still be happy or vice versa so terry having hope for a boy is irrelevant, I strongly believe that you are just trying to find a fault with the terry character. Also you have to keep in mind Diane has never expressed how she feels about the situation to terry she only told her friends so with Terry not knowing anything let be real here which man wouldn’t complain.
It’s like y’all females expect us men to be mind readers
I just re-watched this movie and ALL the couples need to be divorced. They were not ready for marriage and to immature to be in any relationship
As I was watching this i couldn't help but think that Patricia maybe partially to blame for the communication problems that some of the couples experience. We never see her actually teach them how to communicate as much as we see her encourage avoidance. She discourages Angela from telling Sheila about the infidelity. I also find it interesting that Patricia, Terry and Diane were the ones scolding Angela earlier about communication when Angela maybe the best communicator out of all the couples. Not to mention the ethics of running a marriage retreat with couples you have known and been friends with for years. How can you be unbiased with them?
" Patricia maybe partially to blame for the communication problems that some of the couples experience. "
I also find it interesting that the most honest Diane and Terry are with each other is when Terry is leaving. It seems to me like Patricia is encouraging them to avoid fighting. Arguing can be very healthy for a couple when done constructively. It's also a sign that the couple is speaking their minds and not just bottling their emotions up.
Yes. Her advice is bad because it's not really communication. It's simply conflict avoidance.
I have been saying this since I first saw this movie. Perry’s character was my least favorite character.
Perry’s character, Terry is one that is a know it all, arrogant, self righteous, narcissist, control freak.
I could not stand his character. There is so much, I don’t know where to begin.
1. He blabbed Marcus’ business about the STD. As a Dr. He had no right to do that.
2. He called Diane’s secretary & told her not to call Diane. Are you kidding me?
3. He kept demanding a baby from Diane because HE wanted a son. However I do agree with him that she should have discussed with him first about having her tubes tied, even though ultimately it is her decision. But it always was about what he wanted and just because he and his buddies made some type of statement in college.
4. His attempts to make himself look like a good guy who has never cheated.
5. He instigates between his friends and then sits back and watches the fallout so he can intervene looking like the good guy.
6. His friend gets hit over the head with a bottle and passes out, he is a Dr and doesn’t get his a*s up to go see about the man.
7. He takes Diane’s phone and mashes it against the wall and tells her it is her job to screw him on a regular basis.
8. He lies about having an affair with his nurse and says she is pregnant with twins with his nurse right there.
9. How he wanted Diane to grovel in front of his nurse. (Which in no way she should have been there while he and his wife are talking about their relationship). That was just so uncalled for, disrespectful and outright nasty. (I can’t remember if this scene is in the first film or second). And he does some creepy and scary sh*t in the second film also.
10. Diane comes home late from work, he denies her some type of interaction with her daughter. (I can’t remember exactly what it was.)
11. He married a lawyer, if he doesn’t like her hours, he should not have married her. Lawyers work long hours and ESPECIALLY criminal lawyers where they have a person’s life and freedom on the line. If she were my lawyer in the middle of my trial and the court is at recess, she had better be working on my case. A good friend of my was a criminal lawyer for the public defense. She worked very hard and extremely long hours. She had several cases going all at once and it was non stop work. She quit the public defenders office because it was overwhelming and stressful and went into corporate law. The hours were still long, but not as bad and she made more money.
12. I can go on and on and don’t get me started on Tyler Perry himself and his script writing. Oh my goodness!!
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Aaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllll of this! Can't believe I'm just now noticing these things as an adult
Continue... I'm loving this breakdown
It's giving manipulation now I read this breakdown 🤨🤔good points
Sounds like you're the one blabbing.
2. They were on vacation and he asked Monica nicely not to call. Any real man would've done the same.
4. When did Terry cheat? Don't worry. I'll wait.
6. You clearly missed the part when Terry said he was getting his medical bag. It was just a wine bottle. Cry me a river.
7. It is a wife's job screw her husband on a regular basis. Duh!
8. He did that to get back at Dianne. Damn, so much went over your head in this movie. 😆😆😆
10. He didn't deny her anything. Their daughter was already sleeping when Dianne got home. Duh!
You just came here to troll.
The reason Angela's value as a working mother was never questioned is because Marcus was her employee. They came to work together and left together, so he couldn't use the excuse of Angela being a workaholic and not spending enough time with their son, becaue he was right alongside Angela working those same amount of hours.
From my understanding, they all met in college- and then after college the couples moved away to different to regions and use the retreat as a chance to meet up as a group. I do think that Terry and Marcus and their wives live close, since in pt2 they fly together to the Bahamas. But I also get the sense they are not particularly close in day to day life. For example them waiting until the retreat to catch up with each other’s lives/relationships, them not not knowing about Trina even though she and Sheila are very close, them abandoning Sheila and being A-Ok when she goes missing for months, them being shocked when Mike shows up to the Bahamas in pt.2, them being shocked by Patricia’s and Gavin’s divorce in pt2 etc.
But then they were all in the same place to show up to Patricia's job and when the guys were at the bar drinking in whatever town they lived.
@@HeitCheri Y’all are right. I’ll just blame Tyler and his poor writing for that one, cause now I’m confused 😂.
If they live close enough to meet up for drinks, why did everyone take such vastly different modes of transport to Colorado, since they were all travelling at the same time- usually friends who are leaving from the same place travel together ( or at least in pairs). And why didn’t they all get the same flight to the Bahamas in pt2 since they all left on the same day?
It does seem like they ‘swoop in’ to advance the plot, but there aren’t any of the typical casual interactions you’d expect of close friends that live near each other, like going to each other’s homes etc. They only meet up to talk about their relationship problems 😂.
Tyler uses dialogue to drive the plot forward, so he has the couples update each other on their relationships in order to let the audience know what’s happening. But the downside to that is that it makes the characters seem like they are separated from each other’s daily lives.
I’ve literally been checking everyday for an update😂 I love this channel both of you guys always have differing perspectives and I just love analyzing throwback movies with you guys. You guys are about to make me a Patreon lol
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@@HeitCheriThat would be awesome. Your content is worth that!
@5:20 I think Diane not believing or accepting the advice from Terry as a doctor speaks to their horrible communication skills. Communication isn't just about talking to each other, or even listening to each other. Communication is also about trusting what the other person has to say. On both sides of this relationship, they do not trust each other.
I don't necessarily feel terry was wrong. He was frustrated. Diane was avoiding him and using everything as an excuse. She had issues with Terry and that was wrong to not tell him. That's your husband. She could have opened her mouth or got counseling if she didn't feel comfortable. It's wrong to shut your partner out.
Imagine being tried for murder and your lawyer not picking up because her husband said dont call her phone. I forgot that detail lol
This part!!!
I know this isn’t Terry or Diane related but I don’t see how in no way shape or form they were all still cool with Mike after he aired them out! In the second one he wouldn’t have been able to even come around me!
It may be because he got the timeshare in the divorce and he was being a jerk being there because he paid for it.
He did it because 1 like he said yall not gonna just make me be the bad guy and 2 all of them had issues that needed to be resolved but by keeping secrets from each other it will get resolved
Diane never wanted to be married nor have children. Her career was her number one priority. She even blew off her friends. I fully understand that we have to work to get by in life, but you must have a life outside of work. Working constantly and not having a life outside of work is extremely unhealthy in various ways.
Exactly! 👏🏿👏🏿
Thank you, that’s big issue here she is letting her work consume her life which is why terry told her assistant not to call but females not gonna like that😁😂🤣
The fact that Tyler really made their marriage last is mind blowing. Diane was very dismissive, condescending, sneaky, combative, manipulative and not to mention a cheater… Terry was very passive, dismissive and sneaky.
I say that because there was obviously a agreed outlook on what their marriage would look like, but as soon as the marriage and other accomplishments were applied changed the whole outlook of wants. More so hers, than his. I don’t like how this is something that they plan out literally every year, that she doesn’t do the sue diligence to have one of her colleagues take over the case for that week. Even to the point where she forgot her own daughter, twice. When that was mentioned (her priorities), she immediately dismissed him. It’s hard to say someone is “nagging” when someone is purposely ignores your plight.
I also feel Diane assistant is very much MESSY lol. Because she didn’t even call for any updates or anything urgent with the case (which kind of proves Terrys point), but just to say what Terry said and we literally NEVER heard about the assistant or the case for the rest of the trip… The movie really 😂 I’m sorry, I don’t see that as controlling when they have always had the trip set in motion. That’s not a fair judgement because 1. That wasn’t applied because he separated work and home, and 2. The responsibility was hers to manage her life and she simply chose not to. So you cannot apply something or conjure something that never occurred. He isn’t traditional at all. He doesn’t have an issue with her career, it’s her poor management. They also spoke about how this has been more so a problem in the present time-Not overall. He wasn’t asking her to debunk her whole career, just set base compromise for a WEEK. We literally did not hear about her career after that scene, honestly. He already expressed his grievances… So another “nagging” moment would have done what exactly?
He also hit the nail on the head with her purposely arguing with him every night to avoid having sex with him. Yikes.
Then later on at the table we learn that both decided to make very impactful decisions in their marriage based on each others wants without considering the other. Him testing DNA on Kenya, and her tying her tubes. Some would LOVE to say, “well it’s her body”… Well she’s engaged in a marriage where she actively presses hope in her husband that it’ll happen, just not at that moment all while KNOWING she got the procedure done. That’s sick. He went and got a DNA test on their daughter because of “how much she worked”, so it gave him question instead of being honest with how he felt with his wife-All while begging to still have another kid. That’s sick. I say it’s sick because to sit on information like that while also asking if things from your wife and husband is gut wrenching to me tbh.
Then moving towards the end.. The foreshadowing irony of adultery being brought up in their relationship. Diane’s nerve kind of makes me laugh because you purposely ignore your family, but then attack someone who is simply just helping in areas that aren’t being met (not inappropriately with your husband). But you do it to not have to answer to your shortcomings. All for her to be the one that ends up cheating in the marriage. I cannot.
All in all. I think they definitely should have only been together for a season. I don’t think she was honest with what she actually wanted for her life, which caused it to show up in other areas. I also don’t think Terry was willing to let go once he realized that. But of course, no matter how dysfunctional the marriage is… Tyler Perry makes em stay together or somebody dies 🤷🏽♀️
Also, NONE of them was Sheila’s friend.. or any friends to each other tbh. I’m sorry. I don’t care if I thought it was in their faces or not. They should have told them everything that they knew. I also wouldn’t be coo with my man being friends with a dude like these group of men and women. They are literally a group of enablers. Which makes me see they were ok with what was going on 🤷🏽♀️ No sir. Not doing that in this space over here. They excused a lil too much for me-On both the men and women side of things.
I wouldn’t say I think Diane’s assistant is messy- to me that’s just Tyler Perry’s poor writing, in order to advance the conflict between Diane and Terry. Because why would she call her just to say that😂. It makes no sense and like you said when the retreat actually starts and everyone arrives, it becomes a non- issue altogether. We never see her doing any work at all.
I don’t think it’s a matter of her managing her work, but her mismanagement of her life - the grunt work to become an established successful criminal attorney requires too much of a time commitment for her to be present in any other role.
I think in Tyler Perry’s bid to make Terry ‘right’, he missed the need to expand on a key point of this couple, and that is what was agreed upon before marriage, so that it’s clear what/who actually changed or if their expectations were just misaligned from the get go. It’s implied that it’s Diane, but I don’t see how she would go from wanting lots of kids to wanting none at all and compromising with the 1- it’s too big of a jump. Also law is notorious for being a labour heavy, time consuming job, especially criminal law- so again what were their expectations of their marriage life when they both worked high profile, time consuming jobs ( I’m sure Terry’s job was super time consuming in the beginning which was what allowed him to establish himself later on).
@@blackscreenrelaxation5824 It only becomes a non issue because she doesn’t engage anymore. She finds something else to obsess over. Because let’s be real. That was her being antagonistic. You mean to tell me the whole drive up here and when you arrive you are purposely and overtly focused on this work to the point you dismiss him… Fall asleep on him… Just to never even try to refer to it only when you throwing digs or tryna win a argument? She did it a the table with the “for the enjoyment” comment, in the bedroom and with their argument in the end. It’s ridiculous. So yes, to me the assistant is messy.
It was her management. She stated she made partner. The reality of that is, very much like a doctor, you do have your demands. However, you also have that power and give privilege that allows you different resources. As a high power attorney, a partner.. You mean to tell me she doesn’t have a council to handle the case for a trip that everybody knows she takes year after year? That she doesn’t have the management or say to set her schedule? Make her demands of work-home balance a known priority? I have personally dated an attorney myself. Those resources were indeed there for him to use when he had things in his personal life set in place. I could give her that if this was in the space of her being a paralegal, maybe. But she is well versed and seasoned in her field. That’s not a realistic outlook. That’s usually the clime up to that ladder. Making partner is that bread and butter. Kind of like Terrys private practice. It’s things he can make happen now more so than when he was a resident. Especially when like I said, she doesn’t obsess over it at all until it’s either convenient or the final punch line in an argument.
I think we can conclude it’s Diane only because he uses the other couples to confirm their dynamic. Also certain things that she says also confirms that. It’s not a hard concept to grasp about the compromises of that at all. Like I stated in my initial comment, I believe that it was an instance to where she never wanted those things. But just wasn’t honest. Neither one of them should have been together. I put the light to her only because if you honestly in the end seen that you did not want things but continue to string along and hold out your marriage for your benefit it then becomes a problem. Terry was very clear on his wants and she never refuted that he change. So we can only conclude that this has been something he has had set in stone since they met. It is the responsibility on the changing party to express that. Because if not, you’ll have situations like these where you resent your life and start finding ways to stay away from it; like endless hours of work to avoid it. That’s not conducive at all. Or like she did in the other movie and begin cheating. It doesn’t make sense to assume the partner that is being held off on hope by the other one needs to initiate that.
@@theculturalconfusion7748 So what you’re saying is that Diane’s work isn’t an issue, she just weaponises it when she wants to avoid her husband or win an argument.
I think this P.O.V makes a lot of sense, but I also think the idea of purposeful avoidance is later contradicted when Terry details how the daughter is affected as well. If engaging with work is an intentional decision she makes to avoid/antagonise her husband, then why involve her daughter? Why would she purposefully leave her own child at school or involve her in her work? If the implication is that she’s a poor mother, why would Terry want another child with her? For me, her daughter, her forgetfulness, and her phone constantly ringing when she’s off the clock, suggests that her heavy workload and the time it consumes isn’t necessarily a choice or a tactic, more so a genuine consequence of her career (that she uses as a convenient, but true excuse when necessary).
As for Diane’s job- I think that you’re adding a lot of context that Tyler himself doesn’t give to the movie- and I think that it’s only fair to assess each characters actions within the parameters of the details that we are actually given in the movie, not based on what would happen in reality. Ultimately the resources that are available to her, and whether she is purposefully choosing to not use them remains unknown. Again I wish Tyler had expanded on this to give us more context into Diane’s motivations.
Finally, I think you contradicted yourself when you said that she never wanted those things from the get go, but then said that it is the ‘responsibility of the changing party to express that’- she either never wanted these things or she did want these things and then changed her mind. She definitely expressed her reluctance to have more kids to Terry, since it’s clear from his conversation with Gavin that he knows. Which is why I say I wish Tyler had made it clear what their agreement was. Did she make it clear to him in the beginning, but they decided to get married anyway, hoping to change each other’s minds? Did she lie about her desire for kids, to keep Terry? Did they both want lots of kids in the beginning, but Diane later changed her mind?
I think Trina is supposed to be about 10 years younger. All the women are beautiful but Trina's style exudes youth.
Yes in real life the actress who played trina was actually only 25 so yes super Young
that was madea arguing, he cant even argue in man 😭😭😭😭😭
Was the compromise that although she didn't want any children she'd acquiesce and give him one with the mutual understanding that that was all? If so, the tube-tying may have been her best option.
He's clearly not let up on having more kids, and we see how dismissive and passive-aggressive he is toward Diane, so I imagine talks of contraception went nowhere. Condoms, vasectomy, the pill, all of which would've allowed them to maintain an active sex life without unduly risking an unwanted pregnancy.
So her options: violate her own autonomy and disregard the terms of their compromise; avoid sex altogether; go on the pill and have to daily hide things from her husband (man, the stress!); or get a one-time procedure that meets her needs, honors the compromise to which they both agreed, allows for sexual intimacy and at least buys space for her husband to dream his dream of more kids. I mean, he's a physician, he knows pregnancy isn't guaranteed even with constant sex
Honestly, I would’ve snapped on Terry. I get his frustration, but his passive aggressiveness & dismissal would drive me crazy. I’m not saying Diane was right at all. But, he was soooo annoying. & to be fair, maybe the lack of sex had him cranky all the time. But, I honestly have a hard time believing Diane even wants to be with him. She doesn’t even behave like a woman who wants to be married or have kids. She seems like someone who would be happier single and child free. What Terry needed was a housewife who did everything he said.
She was wrong for getting her tunes tied and not telling her husband but I dont think it's a man's place to push his wife to have more children if she doesn't want too.
It's hard for a woman to have children after a certain age. Maybe that's why Terry was "pushing his wife" to have more kids.
@SpeedyUsher I understand that but nothing should ever feel forced. I don't think it will be a successful pregnancy.
She didn’t tell him that, that’s the issue…how can he be blamed for having no knowledge of that, he’s not a mind reader
Diane doesn’t like Terry. She settled. And when he started saying “all of a sudden” ALL I heard was Madea lol
I agree somewhat with the controlling on Terrys part..but in his defense he’s being completely ignored by his wife and just wants to get closer to her. She’s constantly choosing work over her family
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I am READY for Patricia's video. She has been a character.
I need my strength for that video 😆
It will be a great video
Lol, Tyler actually made her character a prop person. Everything about her screams "I have no character," just a shell.
I’m going to speak to the open secret/rumor about Tyler Perry being gay.
the theory is: he creates characters that aren’t truly intimate with women..that’s why in all of his movies where he’s a regular guy and not Madea there is no real love interest.
TERRY’S PERFECT!
Now I can’t get Terdea out of my head! 😂 He really plays the same character in EVERY role 🤦🏽♀️😂
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What about Gone Girl?
@10:50 I think Sheriff Troy probably works with local government to advertise his business through online brochures and such. I use to work with a small business government branch that helped small businesses get grants to help them expand. Maybe that's how it happened lol
Also Troy owning the business and being a sheriff seems to be all tied up with his father's money. His father was successful, he was able to leave behind land, finance Troy's education...I assume. There is a lot of missing pieces, but I'm just guessing. It makes sense that if Troy came from money, he would be able to elevate himself in a town they may or may not be ....diverse. lol
This breakdown is actually the best one because y'all exposed aspects of these characters I've never noticed. It's got me hype with my thinking cap on.
Edit: Terry and Patricia are pissing me off more than Mike because at least Mike's wrongdoing is acknowledged and called out not these 2
I found it quite interesting that Gavin was the one to bring up that Terry and Diane should have about four kids when literally 5 minutes later the entire room has to be sensitive to the fact that Gavin and Patricia lost the baby.
It's interesting to me that he would be the character to bring that up when it would be proved that it's still very sensitive to him just a few minutes later.
I feel there’s a difference between your child dying and joking about not having the amount of kids you want while still having one that’s still alive.
Idk, why is a dead child the equivalent of him not having more kids… it’s weird. At this point do they even talk about kids around Gavin and Patricia
@@BabyGirlTiny the reason I equate the two is because the situations were handled almost identically. The verbage used was nearly identical in each situation.
In my own opinion, I wouldn't open the door for a conversation I couldn't personally participate in without having an emotional reaction. What's interesting to me is that Patricia did the same thing in the boutique later on.
Maybe it's an attempt at deflection from them thinking about it themselves.
I HATED Terry for forcing her to have another kid
He didn’t tho but alright
I thought when Diane , Angela and pat had that meeting she said terry got an apartment and moved out?
She sure did.
1:26:51 I think that when Diane says "do it for the enjoyment" she's referring to sex. She wants to have sex for the enjoyment, not to make a child. Maybe she feels Terry is sucking the joy out of their sex life by applying too much pressure on making a baby she doesn't want.
Hm... that's an interesting take that I hadn't considered!
YES!
I never noticed that before until now, that’s a great take
Interesting indeed. I assumed she meant work, but this makes more sense. I didn't understand why she was avoiding sex if her tubes are tied. But, now that you put it that way, maybe it's not enjoyable with him. Ouch!
I like this… never thought of it that way
Tyler Perry routinely slips into his Madea voice when he is lecturing, and I find it hilarious and distracting 😂.
Facts 😂
I think Sharon leal is an amazing actress but I don’t see much chemistry between her and Tyler Perry. I can’t take Tyler serious as an actor.
Tbh they are just ill suited. A generally good man isn’t necessarily the man for you. Even though Terry’s supposed to be perfect, their relationship reads like watching a woman stuffing her foot in a too small shoe. She’s constantly made to compromise for a man ‘cause he good. Like what 😂😂😂 he keep making her have babies. Diane was beyond wrong for a secret tube tie rouse but there is no telling how much she even really wanted to have that first kid. They just have such a different view of marriage and really should’ve talked that through before hand. They are really the least compatible couple on here. The others were at least toxically compatible in some cases, they ain’t even got that 😂😂😂😂.
You guys are right. Tyler perry needs to hsve consulting when making these movies
Yesss. Thank you Heit for pointing out that sexual harassment.. I always felt weird bout that and couldn't put my finger on it.
Yeah, that was not cute at all!
My problem with this is that there's a continuity error in the 2nd movie. If they have a daughter and she in that like 8-10 range then no way in hell would their son ( explained by Diane having her tubes untied) be close in age after a year. he'd be at most 3 months like Sheila's baby.
Typical Tyler Perry 😂
Hollywood magic...smh lol
@@chaosspy6723 I justified it as them having the baby right after this vacation, then spending a few years NOT having another vacation (with all the drama before, why would they?) Once everyone was settled in their lives, they wanted to start fresh on a beautiful island.
But even that has its own issues, because if that were the case…how in the world did Terry & Diane’s daughter NOT know that Uncle Mike was no longer in the picture? Lol
I'm glad that Cheri caught the plot hole about the geographical locations of all of these couples. Cuz I was screaming with her when she said if Angela and Diane can just pop up on Patricia's job out of the blue with no warning, then why couldn't Marcus go see his goddaughter?
Is that why Patricia thought somebody died or something because they popped up at her job and they don't live in the same town? Or is Marcus too busy sleeping with Keisha and getting burned by Walter that he can't go see his goddaughter?
I am still confused on this! 😂
@@HeitCheri big lost!!! 😂😂😂
I wonder did they have a conversation before they got married about how many children they want it? And after their first child did Diane ever talk to Dee Ree about her feelings about having other children?
I think this may have been Diane's big mistake, not revisiting the conversation about how many kids she wanted once she realized that she didn't want more.
Agreed with above. I think thats why its important to revisit expectations and goals, because its normal to change and evolve as time goes on. Both may have wanted and expected different things in college vs. now. I was just talking about this lol - gotta give a disclaimer in the beginning of a relationship because you will evolve if youre doing things right. Thats why open communication is so important. When or if we are feeling different, you have to be open to tell one another and trust each other to hear one another out.
Every time I see Tyler Perry I see Madea and sometimes he sounds like Joe😂😂
As a lawyer, I need Tyler to start doing his research on what we do and how we actually live our lives…
I cant wait for y'all to cover Pat and Gavin, spill the tea!!
Me either! I think it will be very interesting to discuss Patricia in particular. I kind of question whether she should be running a marriage retreat with couples she actually knows. How can she be biased? And if she honestly thinks she is teaching them how to communicate because it seems to me that she is teaching them how to lie my omission.
Also, Terry's perfect
Maybe Marcus and Angela are the God parents because MAYBE.. it was originally Patricia and Gavin but then their child was accidentally killed, and Terry and Diane decided maybe their kid wouldnt be safe with them anymore?? Or maybe Gavin and Patricia couldn't handle being in charge of another child?
I appreciate y’all doing a two-hour video about their dysfunctional marriage.
😆 We're detailed oriented. 😆
1:49:11 If the shoe was on the other foot and the husband said, “I Gave You A Child, now leave me alone” !! “You’re lucky you got the first one” !! plus getting a vasectomy, would any wife honestly be cool with it ? His body His choice….right ?!!
Also ik you guys mentioned age. The actress that played Trina was 25 at the time of the movie and everyone else already seemed like they were in their 30s. During the time of the movie. So maybe she really was supposed to play a younger woman
I think that both the actress and the role of Trina was intended to be a younger woman like we talked about in the video.
Tbh Diane’s tube tie situation is a plot hole possibly depending on their home state. 😩 In some states when married you had to get your partner to approve too and it’s a process depending on providers. Or if single or don’t have children etc you need a psych evaluation, especially in 2007. So much so that it’s a big deal. Big enough that Diane would’ve been complaining about finding someone to do it with ease. It’s a fight women have talked about for decades now.
That's a great point about the state laws!
Wow I never knew that!
Thank you for sharing.
Do you think Terry tried to be controlling in a passive aggressive way? Tell us how you feel below!
He was sexually and emotionally frustrated and felt like she wasn't giving 50/50
Yea but I think it was striving for more balance than control. We need to feel important and need reassurance just like women do. Part of the reason I see it that way is because I'm a libra. Also, it's easier to see other ppl situations clearly because you're not as close to the picture as you are to your own situation. If that makes sense..
No !!! He wanted intimacy with his wife. She wasn’t trying to give him any !! She was foul because if he got some on the low…..
Absolutely! Terry felt that Diane "should" perform her wifely duties whether she wanted to or not. He made her feel guilty about not wanting to instead of trying to get to the bottom of why she didn't want to. His ego made him feel like she owed it to him as his wife. Same thing with having another baby. If I want another child, you as my wife "should" want to give me a son. It is your duty and your obligation. So yes, he did try to control her with passive aggression, gaslighting, snide remarks, and by putting a guilt trip on her for wanting to prioritize her career.
I think that Terry and Diane are poorly written. I feel like the audience is supposed to see Terry as attempting to communicate, and Diane is too caught up in work to listen. But all I see is Terry making passive-aggressive remarks, and Diane is not involving herself in the conversation. They are both terrible communicators. I honestly don't think that Terry is out of line when asking for more of Diane time with himself and their daughter, but how he says it sounds like an attack on her as a mother and wife and is why she drowns him out. I think it's funny Terry is supposed to be an example of a great communicator, but he's getting in his own way with his communication style. Although Im not sure if Diane would change her schedule or attempt too but then Terry has his answers. He is completely overstepping when he answers her phone and tells her assistant not to call. That is absolutely controlling behavior. He is taking away her autonomy because he doesn't like her decisions. He never asks her about the importance of the cases she's working on. To be fair, he should have expected this when she was going to law school. It's kind of the equivalent of marrying a soldier and then getting upset when they are deployed. You were aware that this was part of the deal when you got married.
I love the debate you both had at 1:43:00 because I can see both sides of it. When I originally watched the movie, I felt like he was coming from a place of desperation. He wanted his wife, who had been neglecting him and his daughter, to spend time with them, something I've heard my aunt tell my uncle many due to how unavailable he was due to his job as a lawyer (funny enough).
It took my uncle a heart attack and a near divorce to realize that he needed to take a step back and be a family man, because he loved my aunt and cousin, but he wanted to provide for them.
At the same time, my aunt would NEVER tell his assistant to not call them during a weekend nor ask for sex as much. So, that kind of makes me think that it could be a scenario where it could be both him being desperate to have his wife around more while also being more at the head of the family.
While I absolutely agree that I believe this is the case, does that excuse the behavior though. At the end of the day, your uncle made those choices to change and was not forced to by your aunt. Terry is taking away Diane's choice by setting up a situation where she doesn't even know there is another choice, which she is guilty of the exact same thing with not telling him about her decision to not have any more children. They need to be more honest with each other and dig deeper when they communicate. Instead of being passive-aggressive, Terry could say something more like, "It hurts me when you don't spend time with me and our daughter. Your job is a massive part of your life, and I respect that, but I want to feel like our child and I are as important too." Then Diane has a choice to participate in fixing these problems or not. After that, then Terry has the information he needs to leave the marriage or not.
Does anyone else think Diane is younger than the rest of them though? Maybe its just the actress but she seems so young compared to Tyler Perry and the rest of the group.
I think she is supposed to be the same age because she was in college with them at the same time--so she's have to be within three or four years of their ages.
I think y’all missed the sarcasm when Patricia said they had great communication it automatically cut to a scene of them arguing. It was intentional for her to be wrong about them having great communication. From the outside they were supposed to be painted perfect even tho they both had imperfections.
I also don’t think Tyler really wanted the character to be legit perfect, but to also have flaws which is why she brought up his controlling behavior. Perfect people often are wrong & try to control things. I don’t think his flaws of being controlling was addressed much throughout the movie.
I think the flaw of being controlling wasn't addressed because the writer intended for that to be a false accusation against him when Diane said it in the car.
"I think y’all missed the sarcasm when Patricia said they had great communication it automatically cut to a scene of them arguing."
Oh okay, yes that’s what I meant, it was intended for Patricia to be wrong. I agree she was serious when she said it but the scene was made to be ironic. We are on the same page.
Okay! We are on the same page ! 😁
Ok so now that I've finished the video I'm back with final thoughts and questions:
1. Do you think Terry and Diane were the single friends that everyone else pushed to be together so they could do cute friend dates in college? Like oh he likes you and he's a nice guy that gonna be a doctor and she did it thinking she could make herself fall in love with him.
2. Not sure about atlanta, but I live in houston and it's big af. It's not weird to have different lives going and yet be close enough to come together when you want because the city is so big.
3. Keshia sharp character was a friend and work colleague. I took her statement to mean like girl I do not want your man. Please take him.
4. Like I said before terry was desperate for Diane to be in love with him the way he was with her so his actions are that of a hurt man. He did things wrong like the DNA test but that probably kept him up at night. Diane has been avoiding Terry for a long time. She grew up and over the relationship but leaving looks bad.
Thanks for watching and for your questions! See my answers below❤️:
1. Do you think Terry and Diane were the single friends that everyone else pushed to be together so they could do cute friend dates in college?
The storyline of Diane and terry is interesting however I feel that it could’ve touched on more deep topics when it comes to balancing a career and a having kids especially if the woman doesn’t want kids. But in reality they should’ve never gotten married. Having a kid will always impact the woman and her career more. There’s studies showing that women who have kids suffer financially no matter how high their income is. Even in cases where women are the bread winners they still take a career hit if they become mothers. Kids changes everything and it’s wrong for a man to ask that of a woman if she didn’t want it. I don’t think she was fully selfish by having her tubes tied bc he wouldn’t back down from wanting kids and the child will always affect her more and it’s selfish of him to demand more out of her.
Yesssss!!!!
"She denies him. Blocked shot"🤣🤣🤣
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Diane and Terry should not have been together. They should have been the ones to divorce in the second movie. Diane should have remained single or married someone who aligned with and understood her goals. Terry would actually have been better suited with Sheila if they could start all over.
I felt like Terry overall wanted a housewife and thought he can tucker Diane down to one and is resentful of her because she refuses. There were totally some prior conversations and someone lied.
When Patricia was heading to wake her up...smh I have always been annoyed at that. I also think she enjoyed calling out the girls (perhaps unconsciously) but it was unnecessary because she wasnt transparent about her own marriage. Her feedback was very much "quotable lines" not really meaningful and honest.
Facts!
It's hard because I always struggle with whether I'm reading too much into these stories because.... it's Tyler Perry.
In regards to the virtue of his f
Character I think it's a dig at the working woman. The reason Angela doesn't get critiqued as a mother is because she's the breadwinner because her husband isn't working (works for her). She works hard and doesn't technically have to because her husband also works. I also wonder if it's also a dig at the idea that women complain that their husbands aren't present but when they are they don't appreciate/know how to handle it. Idk though, it's all based off the assumption that Perry's characters (the ones he plays) are always more in the right.
You're not reading too much into this! Let's unpack all of these stories! ❤️
Interesting how Marcus & Angela have the best communication skills out of the whole group, despite the antics and chaos.
I personally think Tyler used each personality as a lesson on how you can go wrong even a guy like Terry
I agree.
He's not self aware enough to do that, that's giving him too much credit
@@ninjanibba4259 you must don’t watch him enough he is very aware
Nah Diane was gone cuss him out. 😂😂😂
1:55:06 … the most flicted ass throw I’ve ever seen in my life 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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These days when women are working on vacation, the culture will say
“yass boss babe” “he should be understanding” “it’s giving insecure little d energy”
But let him do it and he is “emotionally unavailable” “selfish”
"not present"
BUT I do think he is trying to make light of himself as well
I think Terry moved into a short term rental and he had the money to move quickly and subsequently break the lease. It was just another plot hole in my opinion. Not a big one, but still.
1:33:19. Y’all looking at it from a different angle. That’s the reason she’s avoiding sex. He doesn’t know about the procedure done to her. She knows he wants more children. The fact she did it behind his back for all of those years ago. If Terry got a vasectomy and she wanted more kids and all he did was avoid sex because of course, she doesn’t know about it, she will have issue and think he was cheating, until it came out.
But Terrys work didn't impede fellowship with his wife OR friends. Diane was working on the way there, working when she got there, working in her sleep. Then only stopped working for her friends, then was too preoccupied with her friends, so she says is the reason, to give him some. All Terry did was give a shot. Its not the same.
Typically in law firms they don't want you to go on vacation when your working a case. Anything can happen.
Typically in any job they don't want you to go on vacation when you could be making them money. 😆
@15:05 Imagine Monica's reaction on the other side of the phone. And Terry saying to not call was like he already assumed that whatever she was doing, whatever case she was on...was not significant.
Monica: "Yeah but Terry, it's a case about murder"
Terry: "I'm trying to sleep with my wife this weekend. If they die..they die."
That's crazy. It's interesting because Diane doesn't respect him as a doctor and Terry clearly doesn't respect her as a lawyer.
Facts!!!!
Hmm...I do think they respect each other's careers but they are not invested in the goings on. They each enjoy their status.
I love the commentary on this movie. I have to say in our couple group, I find out more gossip from my partner then my friends. He can’t wait to leave to start telling everything lol.
Not necessarily. You could just have Dianne as the attorney and Monica is the paralegal who writes up the torts. That’s usually how it works. One attorney gets the case.
Another point: I agree Diane was selfish for getting her tubes tied and not telling Terry, but... they've been married this whole time and the subject of the number of kids was never brought up??? Gavin knew how many kids terry desired, so how did Diane not know?
I think Diane knew.
@@HeitCheri ok then that means she's even more selfish for going there if she ultimately didn't want to have that many kids/ kids at all. Seems like that would be a deal breaker for Terry from the off set.
I'm sure they talked about it, but they probably both assumed that the other would change their minds, or Diane has changed her mind since then. She is allowed to change her mind, but she does need to tell Terry.
I think y’all looking at Terry with a negative light a lil too much here. He’s known these friends since college. Just like anyone else, he knows when to step in and when not to. They all know Angela’s temper so, why would he try to diffuse it ? I would move out of the way as well. I’m not collateral damage for their drama.
Curtis!!! We tried to be fair to Terry 😂
@@HeitCheri 😂😂😂
@@HeitCheri Bullshit 😆😆
Hi guys! Ive grew up with 10 uncles and 4 aunties and my grandma and in my life ive seen men don't say anything . And i know becive seen it personally staying with my aunt n their husband. Then when i use to baby sit for my uncles and whooo they had so many juicy secrets. Hidden or not came out years later when ish hit the fan . Lol. I been out my granny house bout 10yrsand secrets still falling out lol
I love playing these vids while I braid hair or do acrylics from home , thank uuu ! pls give 'why did I get married 2 "film criticism !!!!!
It's coming!!! ❤️
Sheila's "friends" really piss me off. They're so hellbent on keeping the "peace” that they'd rather let Sheila think she's the damn problem and it's really Mike's deceitful ass.