Black Sabbath Album Debate with Martin Popoff | LOCK HORNS (live stream archive)
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2017
- Black Sabbath is arguably the most important metal band of all time. Now, as their final tour has come to an end, we debate the band's 37-year history and extensive discography. Guest co-host Martin Popoff, author and definitive expert on all things Sabbath, and host Sam Dunn discuss the iconic British band's career. (And that Dio holagram, too.) Join the debate LIVE Wednesday February 15 at 4PM Eastern and help us determine the Top 10 Black Sabbath records!
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Why does Under the Sun always get overlooked!? It's one of the heaviest, doomiest, sludgiest songs of all time!
same with Cornucopia
Tony Iommi throws out some awesome heavy riffs on that cut. It's godlike Sabbath rules!!
Ken G That whole album kicks ass.
I agree. It's very In to the void in structure as well. Fast tempo riff leading into slow grinding riff! genius!
Vol 4 would be my choice
As a teenager in the 70’s the first band I liked was Kiss. Then I went to high school and heard Zeppelin. Then since I realized I liked the heavier stuff I got into Sabbath. Left high school loving Maiden after their first album. Then Priest, Metallica, Megadeth etc... Point is, at 56 years old I still listen to Sabbath the most.
I LOVE "Headless Cross" !!
Hell yeah! ...and I really like Tyr too. :D
@RODRIGO ST I wouldn't say the best but he is definitely underrated.
One of the finest albums of Sabbath. I hate it when people associate Sabbath only with Ozzy.
@Bookhouse Boy Well, all these big bands are teamwork. But it is a fact that Tony was the main guy over 50 years for keeping the name integrated and being a nr1 riff master of all time.
Headless Cross is absolutely Sabbath! It is unique due to Tony Martin, Cozy and even Mr Murray. Maybe you were refferring to Seventh Star?
Lol headless cross
Props to Martin. 9 years old and bringing Vol 4 to school. That’s so killer.
No "Headless Cross" nor "Tyr"?...What kind of video about Black Sabbath is this?, from the introduction of the video, (all vocalists are mentioned except Tony Martin), to the content, this video is disrespectful to the era with Martin
They do mention Tony Martin, but only from the comments from the viewers. Yeah, pretty disrespectful. I love how a lot of these "fans" call themselves that, even though they diss anything outside the Ozzy era.
He is mentioned at 6:30.
Yeah I dig Martin-era Sabbath, underrated vocalist, under-appreciated albums
Opinião polêmica, eu prefeito como um todo, a fase Tony Martin à fase Dio.
Heaven and hell é um dos melhores do sabbath, com toda a certeza, porém, olhando o conjunto de discos lançados pelo Dio no Sabbath, prefiro os do Tony. A atmosfera criada ali me encanta, soam como "filmes de terror nos anos oitenta", com tudo que a época tinha de melhor para oferecer, é como assistir um filme da época, com chuvas e trovão, mulheres na banheira, e uma banda tocando na sala a beira da lareira, mágico cara.
That haunting riff from the song Black Sabbath is my all time fav. Still gives me chills when I play it on my SG. Iommi was & is my biggest influence as a guitar player. And he doesn't even have all his fingers. Thank you Tony, best riff writer of all time.
He "never liked Fairies Wear Boots very much"--- that's borderline sacrilege!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is sacrilege, pure and simple...my favorite song!!!
Hear Brown Sabbath cover. Groove.
Great drums on it
My Dio era favorite album by far.
He doesn't like fairies Wear Boots because it was an anti skinhead song. Martin popoff was rumored to have grown up a household that abided by the conservative Law laid down consisting of a strict working class skinhead regimen.The lyrical inspiration was prompted by one of the band members being attacked by a gang of Bald Aryan Rights Activists. The song title was meant as sarcasm , but people that like Martin popoff decipher the lyrics in the improper context. The vocal phrasing fail to follow a cohesive Iambic pentameter. And the vocal patterns fail to articulate the most basic phonetics of human annunciation . So its usual someone not familiar with the subject matter has an incredulous view of the message coveyed there in . Fairies Wear Boots tends to hit a primal nerve in most people , and the beat throws off normal equilibrium functions . The the chord progressions were designed to manipulate the medulla oblongata , income been rumored to even reduce the serotonin levels in the brain . that swinging awkward groove really messes with people's cerebral cortex. in other words it creates a state of confusion and unrest. It's Just Too groovy and heavy for the average person in other words . On top of which white supremist do not appreciate when someone is referring to them as fairies . It's mainly skinheads that don't enjoy the song. don't underestimate the power of that particular song it's one of the most powerful things ever put to music
Master of Reality, and after that you can argue among yourselves.
Sabotage features the best riffs, songs & Ozzy's greatest vocal performance ever.
Not to mention it is the forerunner for proto thrash. Plus, the guitar riff on Megalomania is absolutely killer!
Tony Martin era is SOOOO underrated! Eternal Idol, Headless Cross, TYR, and Cross Purposes are ALL great albums! Different than Dio and Ozzy, sure, but that doesn't mean they're bad.
Couldn’t agree more!!! I feel sad for the huge amount of people who miss those great records
What the FUCK! How can't you see the importance of TYR? A monumental-epic album, great riffs/songs!
I attended a show from their last tour and it was absolutely fucking amazing, Black Sabbath will never die.
P.S I'm 15 and very upset that non of my idols and favorite artists will be alive by the time I'm 50
Plus Ozzy's sabbath is the BEST Sabbath
Ella Carmel false dio is the best
Heaven and hell megadeth and machine head was my first concert ever I was in the 4th grade that shit blew me away so glad I got to see dio with sabbath
@@papabillydeth4723 Ian Gillan was the best
@@papabillydeth4723 Black Sabbath after Ozzy sounded like a heavier Deep Purple more than they did Black Sabbath anymore. But you are right Dio was the much better vocalist
Yea. Martin Popoff. One of the very few legit music journalists. Love this guy.
Yeah, I read some of his books without even knowing. He's great with 70s-80s, I wish there was an 90s-00s black and death metal guy that writes like him. A lot of modern writers get stuck in trying to be cool or contrarian-y.
Awesome live-stream, Banger! Please do more album ranking videos for the most influental metal bands.
As soon as this dude threw out SABOTAGE as the best album I was on board! My friends and I had it on a loop for our formative years as the best beginning to end album to play in the background of whatever party incarnation we had going on its that solid. Bits and pieces of the older and newer are always go to favorites as Iconic Sabbath. This show/debate went south after Banger took over and the album talk threw that album to the wayside and I lost interest because you strayed from the core. I appreciate the catalogue and wouldn't kick out of bed any Sabbath song but Sabotage is it. Anything else is just a song I love not an Album.
I like many Sabbath albums in their own way but Sabotage has always been at the top.
I also agree - Sabotage is such an angry album, really their last gasp before the fall.
Sabotage has that coke-fuelled mania that makes it intense.
I’m a hardcore Sabbath fan and also believe ‘Sabotage’ was their best album... the two that followed ‘Technical Ecstasy’ and ‘Never Say Die’ were dismal at best... I wanted to hate ‘Heaven and Hell’ - I can remember waiting to buy it when it was released, and absolutely loved it...
Sabotage is in top 2 Feel sorry for people who missed this record It's a musical assault metal magic. Ozzy blows my mind on THRILL OF IT ALL
Sabotage is a phenomenal recording and my favorite. The Writ, Megalomania, Supertzar and Symptom of the universe are fucking sick.
Enjoyed that. Can't really argue with that top 5, although we all have our personal favorites. It's a shame the post Ozzy period is so under rated, I think if the band had changed their name after the first Ozzy era then the Dio and especially the Tony Martin albums would have been given more credit. I personally think the first 3 Tony Martin albums are very good albums, especially Headless Cross.
First SIX albums of Black sabbath with Ozzy, followed by TWO albums with DIO followed by one album with Ian Gillan! And lastly closing with last album '13' with OZZY! Thats hell of a monstér Band \m/
What's not to like about TYR? This is outrageous! Have you even listened to the album? What's not to like???
What's to like? Boring as shit, shitty vocalist.
CelestialWoodway your opinion dont matter so STFU ya potato brain.
@@CelestialWoodway Boring? Shitty vocalist? The fuck are you talking about?
1.) Master of Reality
2.) Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
3.) Black Sabbath
4.) Paranoid
5.) Sabotage
I agree.
Pretty much my list except flip Paranoid and Black Sabbath. Master of Reality has the best tone by far.
This is pretty close
I would swap Volume 4 for Sabotage other than that I’m with you
The Devil You Know IS a Sabbath album as mush as Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules/Dehumanizer. It's also much better than 13 : nice to see it mentioned on 9:38
agree
TDYK is a very good album. I also think it's better than 13. 13 sounds like the same song over and over - no real variety in the songs and all.
Agree. I thought that 13 was a big disrespect to Geezer. You can barely hear him on 13. Plus the songs sounds so fresh on Devil.
Amen... though I like 13 a bit more. Two great records to close both Sabbath major line ups.
Someone could make a legitimate argument for Bible Black being a top 10 "Black Sabbath" song and I couldn't really refute it much.
As far as 13 goes, my standard was "please dont embarrass yourselves." By that standard it wildly exceeded those expectations
Awesome. Thank you, Sam. Hail Banger TV.
Best channel. great episode!
Thanks for the Lockhorns Sam and Road Crew
Subbed. Great channel.
Yay! I got a shoutout! \m/
hey banger, Id love to watch a video like this about Death. I think every death metal fan would love to watch that. also love that Martin Popoff guy btw
Miguel Fernandez Millan I would too but they don't have that big of a discography I think it should be bands with more than ten albums although all death albums are fantastic
They should do one about Immolation
They need to do a top 5 on Marduk
Maybe Incantation , Horna , Obituary , Deeds of Flesh , Iron Maiden
Great main presenter.The three of you really kept the conversations and debates moving.
I like these album debates, you guys should do a best album cover rank
32:47 I find myself coming back to this video every now and again and hearing my Wayne's World reference at this point in the live stream is one of my favourite contributions to the internet to this very day! (I used to be called Eddie Mc80s)
Dehumanizer is my favorite Dio sabbath album. I can understand why most go for heaven and hell or mob rules but I've never understood why Dehumanizer gets a lot of flack.
This right here ⬆️ 👏
While mentioning Sabbath´s great singers over the years during the intro, Tony Martin (my personal favourite) doesn´t even get a mention. The guy had a five octave range, yet Sam Dunn doesn´t even find him worthy of inclusion among the greats.
Martin said his choice was Sabotage, I immediately thought: Man this guy knows his shiet.
I just think Martin like to see Bill Ward in tight red pants
Sr. Odriguez definitely. Sabotage is one of the greatest albums of all time.
@@wenndingofoster5680 lol
Sabotage isn’t that good (in my opinion) it has a few great songs like symptoms of the universe, hole in the sky, and megalomania but compared to paranoid, masters of reality, etc. it just doesn’t stand a chance.
@@wenndingofoster5680 i like
My top 5:
1. Paranoid - 2. Master Of Reality - 3. Black Sabbath - 4. Vol. 4 - 5. Heaven & Hell
BirdsElopeWithTheSun For me: 1. Master of Reality 2. Sabotage 3. Black Sabbath 4. Volume 4. 5. Paranoid 6. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 7. Heaven and Hell 8. Born Again 9. Never Say Die 10. Headless Cross 11. Technical Ecstasy 12. Mob Rules 13. Eternal Idol 14. 13 15. Seventh Star 16. Dehumanizer 17. Tyr 18. Cross Purposes 19. Forbidden
Sick lists my dudes🤘😈🔥
Excellent show Banger!!
great topic!!
Great debate! I tend to agree with Martin about Paranoid, but I still love it. The later Ozzy albums Never Say Die and Technical Ecstasy are two of my favourites as well. I think I like almost every thing from the Ozzy/Sabbath era.
Love the shows and Martin Popoff is always a great guest. Wished the shows were longer, always seems rushed to me.
Yeah, Sam was reading the viewer comments so fast. Slow down dude.
I thought that too. When discussing classic band's albums, there is no need to rush.
PerfectMask1 it's fortunate they are able to make these as long as they are it probably isn't cheap with the production they've got going on
What production?
Loved watching that, here's mine :-
1. Headless Cross
2. Heaven & Hell
3. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
4. Eternal Idol
5. Mob Rules
6. Paranoid
7. Black Sabbath
8. Dehumanizer
9. Seventh Star
10. Sabotage
How does Wheels of confusion sound the same as Supernaut or Under the sun? No huge classics? What about Snowblind???
For real, like every song on Vol 4 has it's own distinct sound and feel.
Changes is a masterpiece in my mind. It helps people throught difficult times. I love both hardrock, metal and rock ballads. 70s Black Sabbath have it all. They are truly a legendary band.
I think Technical ecstasy is a very underrated album.
I agree. Rock k n roll dr., all moving parts stand still, back street kids, and gypsy are all good songs. Technical ecstasy is probably #6 or 7 favorite albums, but dirty woman is top five in all time sabbath songs.
Yeah honestly I really have only recently got into technical ecstasy and I'm surprised how good it is after reading a lot of bad reviews and comments from fans
As a guitarist I delved into this album quite a bit at the time. Tony solos slipped a little on this album otherwise the songs were strong and rather theatrical w/ synthesizer more pronounced than usual. Follow up NEVER SAY DIE had one of all time favorites SHOCKWAVE I might have listened to TECNICAL ECSTASY more times than any of the others for some reason I guess the timing of it 1977-78
It's underrated because it sucks
MaTaFiX I’m a huge Sabbath fan and I omitted T.E from my library years ago.
Cross purposes with epic dying for love was my first ever album that I listened to by Black Sabbath and all other after that so the album was great enough to make me hungry for more! Heaven and hell from.the live Wacken DVD I have is one of the best songs ever goosebumps by the epic guitar in the hands of the riff master Tony Iommi and RJD and his voice and presence in singing takes you places where dragons fly😍Keep it metal🤘🤘🖤🖤🖤
great great great clip...im big fan of Popoff..been reading his books for a decade or more. Born Again is a great album.....I was surprised to see the love for Dehumaniser...one of my favorites!
Eternal Idol is one of my favorite albums of all time.
Did Sam not recognise that the Star Trek TNG analogy was a quote from Wayne's World? Superbly placed.
70's Sabbath my fave, especially everything on the first 6 albums.
Absolutely
I Agree about Sabotage. It's the one I keep coming back to.
Wow! My favorite Sabbath album too!
32:49 - Gotta love how that Wayne's World reference went right over Sam's head XD
Vol. 4 is my favorite. It encapsulates the desperation of drug addiction and confusion just in the music alone. It is super heavy, sludgy and "Under the Sun" is light years ahead of it's time. Put the record on.. it's a dark heavy journey through the struggles of life.
I also think Sabatage is amazing and I always thought that it showed off the layers and writing skills of Sabbath. I was thinking about that record lately. I have it on cassette. I gotta get that again on cd.
You guys need to hear the mighty VOL. 4 again
I'm glad to see someone agree about Sabotage. I feel it is somewhat overlooked. Symptom of the Universe is so damn heavy and my favorite Sabbath song. Definitely my favorite Sabbath album as well! And my list:
1.Sabotage
2.Paranoid
3.Master of Reality
4.Heaven and Hell
5.Black Sabbath
6.Mob Rules
7.Volume 4
8.Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
9.The Devil You Know
10.13
11.The Eternal Idol
12.Never Say Die
13.Technical Ecstasy
I need to go back and listen to all the others!
The list is pretty much as I expected it so no big shock there, I'd never heard of Dehumanizer so that I'm going to check it out right now. Btw Paranoid is my favorite
I got into Sabbath listening to the hits first, and then discovering the REALLY good songs afterwards xD I must say... having listened to all their 70's albums, my favorite of all time must be Sabotage from '75... Ozzy's voice kills like it's never killed before on that record, and who can really pan songs like The Writ, Megalomania and Hole In The Sky?
couldn't help but smile when popoff chose sabotage, my absolute favourite as well, for pretty much the same reasons!!
What does it say at 0:55? The bit about Dio. I can't make it out.
any plans for another Lock Horns with Lisa? also, my suggestions for band-specific entries are slayer, iced earth, and in flames. all 3 have large, um, discographies.
Indeed my top five albums are all with different singers!!!
1. Seventh Star (Glenn fuckin' Hughes!!)
2. Eternal Idol (probably the Ray Gillen version over the official Tony Martion release)
3. Born Again
4. Master Of Reality
5. Dehumanizer
Out of the Ozzy-era albums, I would say Master of Reality is the best all-around album as a whole. To me, it has the fewest "weak points." Almost every second of that album is well-spent.
But it's hard, because each of those albums has at least 2 or 3 songs, if not 5 or 6, that are mind-blowingly awesome. Songs so good that they seem to merit the album being voted "best" just because of how great those songs are. Under the Sun and Snowblind could probably make Volume 4 worth it by themselves; Symptom of the Universe and Megalomania could make Sabotage worth it all by themselves; Black Sabbath could make that album worth it by itself, and so on.
My favorite Black Sabbath song, I would say, is "A National Acrobat." It just sticks with me through the years better than anything.
Rat Salad is mainly a showcase for Bill Ward's drumming, but I'm cool with that, because he grew by leaps and bounds over the first album. Serious jazz chops.
Anyone else having problems with the audio/video synch on this?
As someone who started his metal journey by Sabbath. Paranoid Master of Reality and 13 are my favorites. I've always been a big fan of the doomy side of Sabbath.
'DJ, do classes still do that ?'
No idea, i did it like 23 years ago or something, in the case of me and another kid in class, it was Alice in Chains - Dirt and Sepultura - Roots Bloody Roots or something i think. There weren't too many metalheads, but we made up for it quite a bit :P
I got to play holy wars and do a speech about why it's my favorite song when I was in highschool
Black Sabbath are my favorite band. Love the Ozzy, Dio and Gillan eras. I like the later albums as well including 13 but the 68-84 period are my favorite years of the band.
Starts @ 2:21.
TYR sucks???? Seriously Mr Popoff...what the hell man?????!?!?!?
really, wtf! that was cheap
Tyr does not suck; I don't like it though.
fair enoug
Yep, I thought the way he dismissed that album was a bit out of order - It's got some good songs on it.
As much as I respect this dudes knowledge on metal I actually flipped him off when he said that lol. Sure, not the best album by any means but Anno Mundi has one of Iommi's best riffs ever and by no means does the album suck.
nice candlemass shirt!
The lead guitar solo off lonely is the word , is tony iommi's high watermark.
Tom Warrior has Giger's artwork of 'Brain Salad Surgery' on his wall. Great record
Sigh.... It's obvious the first 6 album are the best. But OK. They want to talk Sabbath for an hour. I would too.
The Electrocist Heaven and Hell is right up with them
Mob Rules, Seventh Star, The Eternal Idol, Headless Cross and TYR, follow. And all the rest albums, including The Devil you know.
Many people forget Dehumanizer, which is an incredible example of the Dio years
1. Master - 2. Sab Bloody Sab - 3. Vol.4 - 4. Sabotage - 5. Mob Rules - 6. Born Again Those top six have all been favorite's at some point...so I find them very hard to separate.
Nothing beats listening to BS on vinyl ! Even if it's beat up and has cracks and pops. Brings back great memories !
I was a big Metallica/Slayer fan, till I discovered Black Sabbath and I was blown away. So much more material and so much better, plus the Sabbath tree which includes Ozzy Rhandy Rhoads, Dio and Vivian Campbell. These 3 bands created everything before 1984.
love it
No mention of Tony Martin in the intro list of singers? I sense prejudice in the air....
when did they end it, did they end in on the 13th
LOVE this band !
The proto-metal band that got me into metal.
Well done.
Immediately, Master of Reality, had my vote for #1
Damn, had work late and missed this live feed. Anyway, here is mine: 1) Black Sabbath 2) Mob Rules 3) Heaven & Hell 4) Sabbath..., 5) 13
So I'm 27, I grew up on ozzy and black sabbath. Headless cross on cassette. Always thought that was dio. Headless cross needs more recognition imo.
Paranoid is my personal favorite with a close second being the debut.
1 - Paranoid
2 - Black Sabbath
3 - Master Of Reality
4 - Sabotage
5 - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
6 - Vol. 4
Perfect order
next time do a best Dio albums since his Birthday is right around the corner
VOL. 4 is fantastic-wheels of confusion, UNDER THE SUN!!-the high point of the show I saw in 2013 was that devastatingly heavy song. (Reunion was recorded in Birmingham, England not Ozz-fest)
My personal list: Black Sabbath,Paranoid, Vol. 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Mob Rules, Heaven and Hell. So many classics! And Born Again! Dude's right about it being bizzare! I actually caught that tour.
Sabbath is my favourite band and the first 6(for me 7) Albums are the Best in Music History. The three Dio, Headless Cross, 13 and The Devil You Know are also really nice.
all albums with tony Martin are great allllllll
Except maybe Forbidden.
Haha
Even Forbidden is great, I never understood whats wrong with it, it has some very interesting and dark sounding songs.
No they all suck ass and put most people to sleep.
Never liked Tony Martin
My Top 10: 1- Master of Reality, 2- Paranoid, 3- Black Sabbath, 4- Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, 5- Heaven and Hell, 6- Vol. 4, 7- 13, 8- Dehumanizer, 9- Mob Rules, 10- Sabotage
In no particular order- Master of Reality, Mob Rules, Eternal Idol are the best "albums". But there are some good songs on Never say die that should have been mentioned.
Eternal Idol is my favorite album :p
Sabotage is my favourite album.
This is a lot simpler than Popoff makes it. There are only three Sabbath's: Bill, Geezer and Tony fronted my Ozzy, Bill, Geezer and Tony fronted by Dio and Bill, Geezer and Tony fronted by Gillan. All other lineups of "Sabbath" on record were really just Tony Iommi solo albums.
I wouldn't say Mob Rules, Dehumanizer and 13 are Tony Iommi solo albums.
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sabotage, Heaven and Hell, Technical Ecstasy, Eternal Idol (with Martin and Ray Gillan) and Cross Purposes. Been a Sabbath fan since I was 12 I am now 54. Love Headless Cross also.
Vol.4 is my favorite Sabbath album.
For me what it boils down to is which is the album when you turn it on sounds like "Sabbath". What I mean is, which album sounds dark, heavy, and with some cool jammy parts too. For me, that album is Master of Reality. People who don't really listen to Sabbth know Iron Man as Ozzy (unfair, I know), so Paranoid, while great, gets mistaken as Ozzy solo by some (ignorant) people. The first album, while certainly heavy, sounds more bluesy. Vol. 4 is great but also has some not so great moments (FX, changes, tomorrow's dream is ok but not best). Sabbath Bloody Sabbath also has great moments but not so great moments and definitely feels more mellow. Master of Reality is unmistakably Sabbath and laid even more foundations of modern heavy metal (more of a distorted sound, doom, and even proto-thrash in Children of the Grave)
Master of Reality or Paranoid. The subgenres and influence they had on Heavy Metal in general were massive