I really enjoyed this. People forget just how big Saxon were at the time in 1980/1. They were probably the biggest band of the movement and Iron Maiden didn't really overtake until Bruce joined. When Saxon toured Europe in 1981 Ozzy Osbourne (Randy Rhoads era) was their support act. They sold a lot of records and played some huge venues including the first ever Donington.
....a HUGE omission here! Where in the hell is SAVAGE? So talented and influential....I'm stunned Sam and Martin missed this killer band! Get Savage's Loose and Lethal album-It'll tear your TAINT!
When Venom made Welcome to Hell back in '81, it had such a dirty and raw sound quality that was like a nut shot to all the other bands that were coming out in that era
Trevor Snell I remember seeing Venom in London around 82. Then remember seeing metallica around 84 or 85. I remember seeing Slayer on the reign in blood tour. Man those days were great. I’m 76 years old now but I still love heavy metal
@@Grimeyhoob you're a legend, sir! I'm 20 years old, and I LOVE Heavy Metal, it's part of who I am. I love the Traditional Heavy Metal, Power Metal, all of Extreme Metal, even fusion genres such as Crossover Thrash, Grindcore, Metalcore, Deathcore and etc. I wanna still banging Heavy Metal loudly in my 70s lol
@@Grimeyhoob I love Venom, people say they "dont know how to play" but it's only because they rebelled against the squeaky clean production, and soft sound, they wanted that raw, unpolished, in your face faster hardcore punk/metal hybrid, but later on they released their ILWS and Calm Before the Storm, they developed their sound, more diversity and complexity as well as abit of melody but they still go with their raw, fast Punk/Metal sound .
no way would I add Priest. I love Judas Priest so much but they still part of first which sabbath were apart of and they had 5 albums before hand which were still strong albums.
We really an episode on the og wave of metal before NWOBHM. That is where Priest and Motorhead belong. Along with Sabbath, Rainbow, Scorpions, Pentagram, Budgie and possibly Deep Purple, Sir Lord Baltimore, Bang, Flower Travellin Band, Uriah Heep and Buffalo
Btw I forgot to say this when you guys were streaming online. People tend to forget this:NWOBHM isn't a genre, it's a movement. Therefore the bands sounded really different from each other. For me every single British metal band formed between '75 ; '85 should be in the New wave of British Heavy Metal list.
Yay, someone who gets it. Sick of arguing the piont! Like why else would Def Leppard & Venom both be NWOBHM if twas a genera? Lol. A lot go by first official album release date, ie why Motorhead is a part too.
Def Leppard has to stay on this list. Without the NWOBHM movement I don't think Def Leppard even breakthrough. As much as they hate the label they owe much of their success, at least early on to this movement. And Martin is correct, the first two Def Leppard records are quintessential NWOBHM.
yes, but he took them off the chart, which is completely wrong methinks. Would not include Motorhead either since they started way earlier, and a had a different sound, more like speedmetal.
@@janerikmellesdal3868 NWOBHM is not about a sound, it is a period of time for Metal; No matter the genera. Motorheads first album was released during it and Venoms sound of Black Metal are obviously most extream; but it all belongs and will forever be a part of the NWOBHM!
hmetaljustin and I agree ... KNOW who else .... Loudness ... They get loosely thrown in ... So does grim reaper .... MOTORHEAD IS N.W.O.B.H... ALL DAY LONG .... 1979 OVERKILL N BOMBER IS METAL HEAVY SICKNESS ....
Def Leppard’s “On Through The Night” and “High and Dry” was my gateway into NWOBHM around 1982. They had a raw and heavy melodic sound like Maiden. It’s a sham to remove them because of later work.
Hell should be on the list! They released their Demo in the 80s, and really played up the theatrical satanic image for NWOBHM. They basically bridged the gap between Saxon and Venom. They never got to release an album because their record label collapsed and their lead singer committed suicide. But half of the songs on their début album in 2011 were re-recordings of their demos, achieving everything they could have during the early 80s! Perhaps Hell could go on a new chart of New Wave of Traditional Metal, like with White Wizzard, Enforcer and Skull Fist?
I’m way late to this interesting party! But I’m British and was there at the time. The nit picking about style and genre misses the whole point. It was a scene a movement NOT a genre. It was as much about the vibe than the exact type of music or lyrics etc. Looking back over 30 years is misleading. My test was did I or my mates listen to X band, go the their gigs, have their patch on a cut off. At the time it was 100% Priest, Venom, Def Lep, Satan, Praying Mantis, More, Jaguar were all part of the heavy metal scene in Britain at the time. Lemmy said what he liked but Motörhead fans were all Nwobhm fans, that’s all you need to know. Iron Maiden weren’t as huge as they became obviously - bands like the awesome Angel Witch and Diamond Head were heavy, dark and cutting edge. Both should have taken over the world. It’s all metal it’s all good.
Maybe some of Def Leppard's stuff is technically considered NWOBHM, but they definitely aren't known as being a "heavy" metal band, most of what their known for is their rock pop radio stuff, and I haven't heard a ton of metal bands sighting Def Leppard as having a big influence on their heavy style.
Grim Reaper were late era NWOBHM ( in geographical location only as These bands developed into their own identity separate from the similarities NWOBHM shared as a whole ). For instance higher Vocals , more sophisticated guitar leads , a more cohesive band image , but most notably the production quality became much higher level. As we're Tysondog , Syron Vanes , Touched , Bladerunner, Tyga Myra , Cobra ,Shy , Rankelson, and Fastway
YOU MISSED TOKYO BLADE...A VERY UNDERATED NWOBHM BAND. ALSO ONE THAT STILL MAKING GREAT RECORDS AS AN ACTIVE BAND. ALSO MISSED GASKIN...THEY MADE TWO AWESOME NWOBHM ALBUMS BETWEEN 1980 - 1982.
i've noticed on multiple occasions sam's accent varies. depending on instance,he goes back & forth between his native canadian and a more "'MURICAN" twang. dig it.
Damn. there's loads of NWOBHM bands I can recount. Avenger Spartan Warrior Sparta Mandora Mythra Satan Blitzkrieg A II Z Warrior Hell Raven Budgie Geddes Axe Millennium Weapon UK Venom Judas Priest Tysondog Battleaxe Atomkraft Hammerhead Virtue
While I agree with the vast majority of these, what I've noticed is they're only looking for bands in any given sub-genre that have made a massive impact. Not just a big impact, or a cult following, but HUGE.
Priest gto stated in 1969... even though they became a well known metal band at the time.... they still predate NWOBHM.., by many years ( at least 11 years)
That’s kind of true, but by the time they put their first albums out W.G. had already split up! So I guess it’s fair to say that apart from the deep underground ppl knew about WG far earlier than Pentagram & Vitus.
Back in 2009 MetalHammer and Classic Rock Magazine were pushing the "New Wave of Traditional Metal" genre. On the two free CDs they released, they featured bands such as Wolf, Cauldron, Bullet, Enforcer, Jex Thoth, White Wizzard, The Gates of Slumber, Stuka Squadron, Hysterica, Grand Magus, Powerwolf and Witchcraft to name a few. I do agree with Martin when he talks about these bands having different sounds (some of the bands mentioned are Doom Metal, Power Metal, etc.) and this definitely wasn't a scene (I don't think there is even a definitive end to this "era") but maybe NWOTM could be worked into a genre. If this is the case then Steelwing should also be on it.
TBH, Priest had a metal sound WAY before NWOBHM, just listen to Sad Wings of Destiny or Sin after Sin. Dissident Aggressor is thrash before Lemmy decided to go in the heavier direction with Motorhead. I Agree that Priest doesn't belong here, because you'd have to put them in so many categories if you put them here (Power metal with Nostradamus, Thrash with Painkiller and Jugulator, NWOBHM with British Steel and The Killing Machine).
Awesome episode and thanks for pronouncing my name correctly!! Also: who else is feeling the speed metal category? lets get this ball (of death) rolling!!!
Again, great episode, but my main complaint being the lack of discussion about the bands already on the list. Justify the choises! Tell the audience why!
Writing in late is likely not to help. However, no discussion of Blitzkrieg is surprising! To me as a younger guy diving back into the NWOBHM scene, Blitzkrieg is a much more current touchstone than Tank, Holocaust, or Fist. Also as mentioned, Satan gets a lot of buzz around the internet nowadays. Perhaps Blitzkreig/Satan could be entered as a joint, due to the same singer? The mighty Metallica had plenty of Blitzkrieg covers..!
Wenndingo Foster They’re a late entry into the NWOBHM scene but they Surely belong there, even Sam Dunn & Martin Popoff agree besides all the bands from that time gap had different styles from Saxon to Maiden to Motörhead to Angelwitch to Diamond Head
@@sonusworld5357 technically speaking as they were nwobhm but there as well as his other bands you mentioned they also had their own identity threat there were hundreds of bands at all sounded quite similar to the album Def Leppard on through the night. That is what most people associate with to be new wave of British heavy metal. And definitely grim Reaper had the single called the reaper on a metal compilation in 1981 so you are right they do belong. I just really think of the see you in hell album is something a little different than the other bands were doing . at the time that album was released almost all the other new wave of British heavy metal bands did some drastic changes in their sound and were closer in sound to Duran , Duran than Judas Priest . listen to jaguars debut album and then listen to jaguars this time and you can understand what I'm talking about. grim Reaper were actually one of the first of The roaster of ebony records which were mainly British heavy metal bands , but by 1984 it was kind of different it's hard to explain in words but there were just things happening that in music that we're all together different. Thrash was developing. Working class Metal had all but died in 1984 . Music in general is getting more extreme and branching out in different directions. Grim reapers debut album was right on the cusp
Wenndingo Foster True but NWOBHM was a Time Gap not a Genre or a Sub Genre unlike Thrash, Death, Power, Speed or Black Metal where the bands do sound more or less alike besides Def Leppard although you rightly said are 1 Band most people associate with the scene are also a Very Contentious band on that list because they don’t like the NWOBHM label especially Joe Elliot , in many interviews he’s been like really upfront really vocal about it. It’s possible that some bands changed their sound or mellowed down to get bigger but G.R. do belong in that scene
@@sonusworld5357 technically yes you are 100% correct. But too many people hit has become a sound they identity with . That sound is best representative of bands like Trespass , Gaskin , Money , Sledgehammer ,A2 Z , and Def Leppard - On Through the Night , Geddes Axe , Jaguar Ethyl the Frog. I agree someone should of come up with a title for that particular sound since it includes bands such as early Riot , Gotham City , Taipan, Axe Witch , and Crysis none of which were British . The term was meant as a regional music scene not a subgenre of Metal , but just like the Gothenburg scene people have related it to a sound . Oddly enough many metal fans relate it to the latter era of 1983 onward bands with more agressiv aggressive styles such as Trojan , Bladerunner , Grim Reaper , and Tysondog , while others like myself have identified it with the more Rock Metal almost Garage band sounding acts of 1978 - 1982 . I never related Saxon , or Venom to NWOBHM other than geographically . Saxon had a style ahead of it's time . Iron Maiden started with that type of sound , but definitely developed beyond the limitations of the style. Probably a better term for the defining sound to transcend territorial boundaries would be First Wave of True Metal
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Both Venom , and Motorhead had some songs that sound Punk. Both British bands . Venom definitely were NWOBHM as were Fastway . Motorhead came upon the scene a few years too early . The bands that inspired Sounds writer Geoff Barton to coin the term were Angel Witch , Praying Mantis , Tygers of Pantang , Samson , and Iron Maiden . That was sometime in1979
@@wenndingofoster5680 Punk is a very important to those bands, both had a DIY punk attitude, both played fast, Motorhead was the first prototype for the punk metal hybrid, Venom took that to the extremes and made it faster, dirtier, heavier and darker
@@lightray9573 early NWOBHM was ragged full of bands that had no real image ( the 4 dudes at a bus stop look like Saxon had ) . The songs generally owed more to Motorhead than Deep Purple . The vocals seldom exhibited much range . Early Gotham City , Syar as well as USA band Crysis are the True NWOBHM sound not Iron Maiden with Bruce Dickenson or Tysondog . Certainly not Grim Reaper with Steve Grimmet . NWOBHM was a Garage band Street Level aesthetic that today's NWOTHM don't just not get , they listen to Saxon - Crusader , Grim Reaper - Rock You To Hell and believe that is what NWOBHM was all about . Those are great albums but Green Day actually sounded closer to the real early NWOBHM than any of these NWOTHM bands could even be capable of. When I think about NWOBHM last album I think Geddes Axe - Escape From New York was the final real NWOBHM released. Ebony label LPs were some great Heavy Metal , but too sophisticated to be True NWOBHM
@@wenndingofoster5680 I dont get what you are getting at man, the New wave of British Heavy metal was a movement between 1977-1983, it's not exactly a genre. Bands play heavy metal but with their own ideas, sounds and production. Also I whole heartily disagree about Green Day being closer to the garage metal sound than other British Hard rock/Heavy metal bands... nah nah nah dude you completely lost me there, there is no "true NWOBHM" it's a movement where bands helped develop other musical genres related to Heavy metal or Punk rock even
@@wenndingofoster5680 Theres so many bands in the NWOBHM, some would fit in with Pub rock, Hard rock and some even progressive rock influenced heavy metal, alot of bands also either hated Punk rock and wanted to answer it with their metal or they liked the energy and added the attitude of punk to their metal music, sped up and tougher sound
Can't wait for next week's favorite albums of 2016 so far!!! For me, the top 6 are: 1. Tremonti- Dust 2. Striker- Stand in the Fire 3. Metal Church- XI 4. Anthrax- For All Kings 5. Primal Fear- Rulebreaker 6. Megadeth- Dystopia I expect all of these albums, except maybe the Striker one cause I'm not sure how many know them, are in the discussion!!
what?! no, Rock Goddess?! They've been around as long as Girlschool has... Jodi Turner & the girls are the best power trio in all of NWOBHM ! And like Girlschool they're still around today!
I would have included solo Ozzy Osbourne. Yes, he was around before NWOBHM, but that was in Sabbath. Once he formed his new band after Sabbath, it was a whole new band with a different sound.
TelevisedPork I would agree with Dio era Sabbath and I don't have a problem with including foreign bands in the mix. I'd add Blizzard of Ozz too. How about post Dio Rainbow? Definitely a change to an upbeat tempo.Or what about the German scene, MSG, Warlock ect? If you'd have said to a person in 1982, Iron Maiden, Samson, Saxon and Motorhead are all part of a current movement, but MSG, Dio/Sabbath, Venom and Priest are completely different, they'd have given you a strange look.
Blitzkrieg, Cloven Hoof, Traitor's Gate. Excalibur, Crucifixion - not at all that many records (maybe Blitzkrieg and Cloven Hoof with more than a handful...), but here quality definitely triumphs over quantity.
One thing that can be said of NWOBHM is that while it was quickly eclipsed by LA Glam Metal, its various influences in turn far surpassed and outlived any influence Glam had in the long term, whether, as Martin and Sam discussed, we're talking about Thrash, Power Metal, or Venom's influence on Black Metal, and also then Venom and Thrash's subsequent influence on Death and other extreme styles.
Priest forms in '69 and Popoff says they are the second wave of heavy metal. Sabbath formed in '68, so by his logic the first wave of heavy metal occurred between those two years, before either of the aforementioned bands even released a studio album? I mean, what exactly is the definition of this genre? They can't seem to decide on which is more important, what year the band was formed, when their first album dropped, or what year they hit the big time. Popoff argues that Priest had released 5 albums by the time this was a "thing", which would include all of their albums through '79. Using his logic again, by that time ('79), Motorhead had released 3 albums and had been a band for 4 years already. Following his thought process, either Motorhead does not belong in NWOBHM (Which I believe), or Judas Priest does belong (Which I do not believe). So in my opinion, they either need to add Priest or take off Motorhead. I say take off Motorhead!
I feel you, but to play devil's advocate: Although Priest had been doing its thing since 1969, they didn't really catch on and be recognized on a grand scale until the late 70's along with other NWOBHM bands. So to a casual observer at the time, it would seem that JP was just another new band coming up along with bands like Maiden. It's like how people generally consider Pantera starting around "Cowboys From Hell" even though they had been around for a decade before.
Yea Priest and Motorhead are not NWOBHM. To me NWOBHM bands are the ones that put out there first albums/ep's starting in 1979. Quartz doesn't count either imo since they started in '74 and released there first in '77.
Wow, these happen at a really bad time for me now.... I mean I couldn't contribute anything on NWOBHM anyways, but it doesn't seem like I'll be able to join you guys on any future episodes (at least in the next few months). But I guess most other viewers are better off with this time.
Sorry to hear that. We have a global audience so there's no perfect time. We're going to see how this new timeslot goes for the next while. You can still comment in advance - we read the best of those also during the show.
Banger :,one band that went completely overlooked in NWOBHM ( especially on this list ) is Rock Goddess.. Girlschool weren't the only Metal goddesses in the genre... The day I heard their cover of a Gary Glitter song ( I didn't Know I loved you) My heart cried "Finally ! A Band that's harder in sound & has a bitchier attitude than Girlschoool..! My favorite track from teh Hell hathno fury Lp is the title track ! Rock Goddess rocks harder than Girlschool,who turned soft in 1986 Banger Rules !!!!!
Venom belongs in the N.W.O.B.H.M. and they're also the Godfathers of the whole Extreme Metal Scene --- All the Speed,Thrash,Death,Doom and Black Metal it's like everyone from Metallica to Slayer to Pantera to Morbid Angel to Dark Funeral \m/ \m/
Venom definitely caught the tail end of the movement but I wouldn't really put them with alot of the other bands except Motorhead, Tank and Raven etc, but even then they were the first proto type Thrash metal, and of course first wave black metal movement .
I did a list of the top NWOBHM albums and tallied them up with a few exceptions and Angel Witch(st) Diamond Head(lightning) were the top albums and that I recognized the bands more
You also need to remember one of the main criteria for Yeah new wave British heavy-metal is that most of those bands formed for two reasons. First. Was because the traditional heavy metal bands were getting so big and so hard to see that they wanted some music to go see and listen to locally. Second. It’s because most of these artists hated punk so much that they created this type of music in this specific location at the specific time as a rebuttal for punk.
This list in the chart would be different if you wanted to list the ones most influential to later bands, or instead list the ones who were biggest at the time. And I wouldn’t include motorhead because they were older started too early and were previously involved in bands back in the sixties. But both motorhead and Judas Priest would be the biggest influences on these bands
Motorhead and Judas Priest dont belong to the NWoBHM, BECAUSE they were much older than the rest of the bands and they were famous before 1980. The first major bands of the NWoBHM were Quartz Iron Maiden Saxon Samson Def Leppard Angelwitch
I totally agree Def leppard's first two, On Through The Night, and High & Dry, is NWOBHM, until Joe Eliot woke up one day and decided to Jump Ship from the big NWOBHM Vessel and swimmed over to the Pop rock/Hardrock dingy !
Deaf Leopard albums look "heavy metal" but they sound like New Wave 🌊 of British 🇬🇧 hard rock 🤘🏻 Heavy Metal involves lyrics with violent n' fantastic imagery and extended guitar solos
NWoBHM was a movement, lasted from 79 to 83..so if Def Leppard went Hair metal after that it's no exclusion from the original movement, cause they had their EP and their 2 or 3 NWoBHM style LPs before 83.
Hey Guys.! Why isn;t my favorite band Wolfsbane on this chart? Blaze Bayley's voice was incredible back then, they were a lot of fun to listen to... Their videos were funny..
I think Venom and Def Leppard should have been included because it's not a genre but a scene. Plus even though Venom was tuned down to C# their riffing and shredding styles were just the same as the other bands on the chart. On the Def Leppard issue, Tygers of Pan Tang also went towards a more commercial direction and produced lots of songs with popy lyrics such as Love Potion No.9. Moreover, Hollow Ground and Blitzkrieg at least should have been mentioned here due to their impact on Metallica. Also White Spirit also deserved a mention due to being the only band in the scene that utilized heavy organ sound, hence prefered more of Deep Purple type of sound and due to featuring the later Iron Maiden guitarist Janick Gers
What about doing a Speed Metal episode with Anvil, Metal Church, Mercyful Fate, Accept, Motörhead and the others that fall between N.W.O.B.H.M. and Thrash?
What about thin lizzy? I know they were teetering on this movement and were an influence to most of these bands. But where do yall think lizzy falls into the nwobhm?
...back at the (memorable) time there were sooooooooo many upcoming bands, among these, some of them did break the ice and solit themselves up toward the newborn metal-sky...I remember that Saxon were the first pioneers that led the way with "Wheels of steel"- I won't include Motorhead into the scene cos Lemmy Philthy and Eddie were ALREADY there since 1977 (even before if we calculate "On parole" as their pseudo-debut album). Surely they built a style, along with Judas priest of course (UFO, Rainbow and Thin Lizzy were more hard rock-oriented)...songs like "Overkill", "Motorhead", "Exciter", Starbreaker", Sinner" etc made history and have been the power surge for the newcomers...I still see the cover of Def Leppard's "On through the night" shining in my hands while "Rock brigade" did start the NWOBHM assault...no faults on this project!!! (not the same with its follower, "High and dry", which demonstrated already a slightly turn toward a more AC/DC's sound) and what to say about the GREAT "Demolition" album by Girlschool? Wow!!!! They teamed along with MOTORHEAD..AND THIS SAID IT ALL ABOUT THEIR QUALITIES!!!! "Nothin' to lose", "Breakdown", "Emergency", "The hunter"...OMG!!!...awesome! Iron maiden did show their zombie punk faced Eddie on the EP...so "Running free" and, then, "Wrathchild"...."Murders in the rue Morgue", "Prowler"....the first two lps were such bombs!!!! Along with them came "Angel witch's debut album who was - for me - good but not exceptional...there were so great songs like "Gorgon", "Confused", "Atlantis" and the title track...but others were really below the bar....and they lasted only that disc...too less...Tygers of pan tang's "Wild cats" was another turning point for the birth of the NWOBHM! Ferociuos riffs, great scratchy vox, powered drum section...."Euthanasia", "Slave to freedom", "Suzie smiled" (one of the best metal-riff ever), "Insanity....were ALL classics!! Such a pity that after "Spellbound" they drove themselves into a more commercial way...have to save only few tracks from "Crazy nights"..."Do it good", "Raised on rock" and "Running out of time"...More! "Warhead" was not bad at all as a debut! It included some great songs like "Depression", the up-tempo "Road rocket", the anthemic "We are the band", the metal ride "I have no answer"...their second album "Blood and thunder" wasn't bad at all "Killer on the prowl", "Traitor's gate" "i just can't believe it" are really solid and good songs...others...not so much...then they disappeared...(the change of half line up did have its weight...)...Fist!...remembering their song on the "Lead weight" AAVV (on which did appear even, for the first time Venom and Raven "Angel dust" and "Inquisitor" respectively), "Throwing in the towel" - good hard-rockin' song, loved more "Axeman" and "Name rank and seril number" on the "Turn the hell on" album...and, it amy sounds awkward but I still prefer "Back with a vengeance"! "All i cand do", "Going wild tonite", "Too hot", "SS Giro", "The feeling's right"....were perfect pieces of good, solid and heavy NWOBHM songs!!!...Demon! "Night of the demon", "Into the nightmare", One helluva night", "Father of time"..."Decisions", "Liar"...apart two floppy tracks on the b-side, that was a perfect NWOBHM album! "Don't break the circle" remains a CLASSIC together with "Deliver us from evil" and even"The grand illusion", "Strange institution" and "Beyond the gates of hell" are over-the-top songs...Holocaust! Aaaaaaaah..."The nightcomers"..a pefect grinding-production! "HM mania" (that it should have become THE metal anthem of it all....), "Death or glory"..."Mavrock"..."Pushing around"...the marvellous title track..oh, boys...that was a MASTERPIECE...as often, they disappeared, lost inn time and space...hologram was another kind of band, nothin' to share with them............. End of first part!
Could Sam & Martin Popoff do another Anglo metal segment? there are so many bands that haven't been added to the branch sam,what do you think of calling NWOBHM ,Anglo Metal? Ask Martin Popoff about it
I think that Budgie deserved more love as pioneers of the NWOBHM sound. Yes, they were technically a Welsh band, and they played a lot of quirky psychedelic rock alongside their heavier material, but their earlier albums sounded like a dirty hybrid of Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, and their later albums (particularly Power Supply and Night Flight) were textbook examples of the NWOBHM sound.
One of the main things that the people at Banger and much of the viewing audience has come to agree upon is that metal really starts to become metal when there is identification as metal, rather than a retrospective sort of thing.
+Necrosanctum I understand what you are saying but to me and alot of others metal started with Iomi's first riff in Black Sabbath. Even if they personally don't identify with being metal. Judas Priest was to my knowledge the first band that identified themselves as a heavy metal band.
+Nathan Jones: Accept were/are not as talented as Maiden. Promotion isn't the only reason Accept fell a little short of Maiden's icon status. BTW, I like Accept.
Glenn Atkinson ACCEPT WAS AS TALENTED AS MAIDEN !!! Saw accept n maiden on powerslave 1985 .... Accept opened , prov civic center ... Best and most heavy band of the day ....
Why isn't Whitesnake on this branch? the song that introduced the snake to the world was the original version of Here I go again.. My voice reflects a David Coverdale Influence
Venom's Welcome to Hell was full-fledged Black Metal before it existed. A lot of people don't want to admit that, and rather call them an influence at best, but c'mon. It's stylistacly identical to Bathory's first two records.
Influential, definitely. But Black Metal as we now know it barely existed until albums like Under the Sign of the Black Mark and INRI. Tremolo-picking techniques found in proto-Death Metal bands, like Sodom's first EP, Possessed, Death, Slayer, as well as the odd almost-atonal melodies of Celtic Frost/Hellhammer contributed the most to the music of later Black Metal. Bathory and Sarcofago are just where all of the elements finally came together to resemble something more modern-sounding, w/o blues influences, differentiated from bands like Motorhead, Heavy Metal bands, or the predominant Thrash and proto-Death Metal bands of the time. Venom really sounds nothing like the second wave or Blood Fire Death, the Swedish bm scene, Blasphemy/Beherit/Impaled Nazarene, or what even came after that.
@@lightray9573 in that case, you're arguing that Venom is the first Thrash Metal band. Which, no, they aren't. The music is way too loose, and simple, to be thrash.
@@sinbysin666 way to loose and simple to be Thrash huh? What exactly makes something to tight or too loose to be a genre? Their complexity unless we are talking about progressive rock/metal music. Didn't know Venom played basic Pop punk with that definition.. Are you really going to tell me everything from Black metal to Calm Before the storm is just Black metal? You know that the first-wave of Black metal are almost just influential Speed and Thrash metal bands and sometimes even early Death metal get thrown in there, that helped form a prototype for the coming Norwegian black metal scene, the first wave includes Hellhamner which is really even more loose and simple than Venom, yet they are considered all Thrash metal, first-wave Black metal and early Death metal. Out of Hellhammers ashes forms Celtic Frost which ended up way more progressive, influential, added complexity and variety than Venom ever was, Mercyful Fate(sounds nothing like black metal, could even pass as progressive rock, hard rock and heavy metal put together), Slayer(during their haunting the chapel EP to their second album Hell Awaits where musically and lyrically they were very influential to both black and death metal)then you got Bathory(which became closest to actual Black metal before Norway and then even prototypes Viking metal), Sarcofago(Also good example of real black metal pre-Norway but also categorized under Death metal), Bulldozer also great real Black metal band perhaps Blackened Thrash metal?, Possessed(considered first band to connect Thrash metal to its extreme form of Death metal), Morbid Angel(which is great early Death metal and one of first with Blast Beat drumming along with Napalm Death) etc etc many Norwegian black metal bands call these as their influences along with Motorhead and even early Metallica mentioned alot along with alot of Hardcore punk and D-Beat punk styles like Discharge. Anyhow I still stick to my statement that Venom is a Thrash metal band. They are not full fledged black metal, from 1981 to now, they are definitely Thrash metal and Speed metal.
@@lightray9573 Bands like Venom, and Hellhammer don't exibit the tight, more sophisticated characteristics of thrash metal. It's rather just a more extreme version of Motorhead (without the Maiden, Priest, Raven influences of Thrash). Blackened Thrash might be a good fit in retrospect, but my point is that songs like Blood Lust are essentially the exact the same thing Bathory did. And since more 2nd wave BM bands just ripped off Bathory, this shows are direct link from Black Metal to the sound of Venom.
what does Martin know can't be much Black Sabbath doesn't look heavy metal take another look at the first album? very heavy metal. I'll give him Deep purple. Metal didn't begin with Nwobhm it began in the early 70's.
I agree that NWOBHM is the beginning of Metal proper before this time bands were not trying to be metal, they were more hard rock. the image changes the lyrics become darker. people always seem to forget that in the beginning it was all rock and (or) hard rock at this time when the New Wave hits it was different way different, metal was called metal...
Iron Maiden Saxon Def Leppard Judas Priest Motörhead Venom Diamond Head Angel Witch Tygers of Pan Tang Raven Tank Cloven Hoof Praying Mantis Grim Reaper Blitzkrieg Avenger Attacker Armored Saint Crimson Glory Fist Witchfinder General Witchfynde
def leppard can belong on a couple of branches of the metal family tree.. their first ep & two first lps were NWOBHM & Pyromania pushed them ion to the pop metal branch
Ironically the first 'real' NWOBHM band that anyone in the UK back in 1977 got really interested in was...Def Leppard! First 45 I ever bought was the Rocks Off EP. Saw them gig with Witchfynde as support. Tygers of Pan Tang supporting Saxon was another gig I recall vividly from 1978. Travelled down to London to see Maiden supporting Judas Priest at the Rainbow Theatre in North London, that was 77-78 IIRC. Definitely NO to Motorhead - they weren't on the radar at all in 77-78!
I really enjoyed this. People forget just how big Saxon were at the time in 1980/1. They were probably the biggest band of the movement and Iron Maiden didn't really overtake until Bruce joined. When Saxon toured Europe in 1981 Ozzy Osbourne (Randy Rhoads era) was their support act. They sold a lot of records and played some huge venues including the first ever Donington.
Chingfordassociates :1980-1985 for Saxon..
What? Maiden already were the leaders of the genre with Dianno and when Bruce joined they went flying ahead of everybody.
Love Saxon!! ✌️
....a HUGE omission here! Where in the hell is SAVAGE? So talented and influential....I'm stunned Sam and Martin missed this killer band! Get Savage's Loose and Lethal album-It'll tear your TAINT!
When Venom made Welcome to Hell back in '81, it had such a dirty and raw sound quality that was like a nut shot to all the other bands that were coming out in that era
True, they were way ahead of their time. Long before the internet, they figured out that you can record with a potato.
Trevor Snell I remember seeing Venom in London around 82. Then remember seeing metallica around 84 or 85. I remember seeing Slayer on the reign in blood tour. Man those days were great. I’m 76 years old now but I still love heavy metal
@@Grimeyhoob you're a legend, sir!
I'm 20 years old, and I LOVE Heavy Metal, it's part of who I am. I love the Traditional Heavy Metal, Power Metal, all of Extreme Metal, even fusion genres such as Crossover Thrash, Grindcore, Metalcore, Deathcore and etc.
I wanna still banging Heavy Metal loudly in my 70s lol
Thumbsdown Bandit venom is the best band ever. The musicianship was amazing.
@@Grimeyhoob I love Venom, people say they "dont know how to play" but it's only because they rebelled against the squeaky clean production, and soft sound, they wanted that raw, unpolished, in your face faster hardcore punk/metal hybrid, but later on they released their ILWS and Calm Before the Storm, they developed their sound, more diversity and complexity as well as abit of melody but they still go with their raw, fast Punk/Metal sound .
Def Leppard ( who I remember from On Through The Night) to me are both NWOBHM & Pop Metal band
Fuckin right, I don't think you could've picked a better guest. Awesome work as always.
no way would I add Priest. I love Judas Priest so much but they still part of first which sabbath were apart of and they had 5 albums before hand which were still strong albums.
Yeah if this is new wave you'd think there'd have to be an original wave
We really an episode on the og wave of metal before NWOBHM. That is where Priest and Motorhead belong. Along with Sabbath, Rainbow, Scorpions, Pentagram, Budgie and possibly Deep Purple, Sir Lord Baltimore, Bang, Flower Travellin Band, Uriah Heep and Buffalo
You forgot about UFO and Riot.
Led Zeppelin, Rainbow, Scorpions, Nazareth
Lock Horns starts at 4:10.
My timestamp comment seemed to help people last time, so here's another one.
Ya think the Banger staff has no idea how to edit videos? Because they might be completely oblivious.
The Abyssal Archivist I think it's because they just directly upload the live streams unedited after the stream is done.
Yeah but they can still edit them afterwards.
actually lock horns starts at 2:17,my friend
Btw I forgot to say this when you guys were streaming online. People tend to forget this:NWOBHM isn't a genre, it's a movement. Therefore the bands sounded really different from each other. For me every single British metal band formed between '75 ; '85 should be in the New wave of British Heavy Metal list.
Yay, someone who gets it. Sick of arguing the piont! Like why else would Def Leppard & Venom both be NWOBHM if twas a genera? Lol. A lot go by first official album release date, ie why Motorhead is a part too.
Sofia, so would Fastway&Rock Goddess be NWOBHM bands?
@@KatyaReminiec9399 Definitely Rock Goddess is NWOBHM, I see Fastway more of a hard rock band
1975-78 is Old Wave. 1983-85 is already the thrash metal era.
Agree, 1977-1983 was the movements peak
Def Leppard has to stay on this list. Without the NWOBHM movement I don't think Def Leppard even breakthrough. As much as they hate the label they owe much of their success, at least early on to this movement. And Martin is correct, the first two Def Leppard records are quintessential NWOBHM.
yes, but he took them off the chart, which is completely wrong methinks. Would not include Motorhead either since they started way earlier, and a had a different sound, more like speedmetal.
+Jan Erik Mellesdal gotta put them back on. I guess I won't be getting the updated family tree poster.
@@janerikmellesdal3868 NWOBHM is not about a sound, it is a period of time for Metal; No matter the genera. Motorheads first album was released during it and Venoms sound of Black Metal are obviously most extream; but it all belongs and will forever be a part of the NWOBHM!
Their bootleg album First Strike is even more essential than the first 2, NWOBHM masterpiece
LOL. Even JOE Elliott said they hate being tagged NWOBHM. They prefer rock/hard rock
Tokyo blade ? Blitzkrieg ?
I always felt like RIOT and ACCEPT were linked to NWOBHM even though they were not British.
same
Krokus as well
Riot doesn;t even sound British at all!
hmetaljustin and I agree ... KNOW who else .... Loudness ... They get loosely thrown in ... So does grim reaper ....
MOTORHEAD IS N.W.O.B.H... ALL DAY LONG .... 1979 OVERKILL N BOMBER IS METAL HEAVY SICKNESS ....
Riot is one of the precursor bands for North American Power Metal
Def Leppard’s “On Through The Night” and “High and Dry” was my gateway into NWOBHM around 1982. They had a raw and heavy melodic sound like Maiden. It’s a sham to remove them because of later work.
The Gillan Band were in mix also, White Spirit, Budgie. Blitzkrieg, Gaskin, Jaguar.
Gillans debut LP is raw NWoBHM. The upfolling ones are priggy and heavy and a bit bluesy as well
@@laurenzgraffilpenstein8117 1978. Too early. Just like Motorhead ('77).
Atomkraft
Avenger
Battlezone
Black Rose
Blitzkrieg
Cloven Hoof
Demon
Di'Anno
Grim Reaper
Jaguar
Praying Mantis
Savage
Satan
Tokyo Blade
Wrathchild
Mythra
Sweet Savage
Tygers of Pang Tang
Vardis
Def Leppard is Most Definitely #NWOBHM New Wave of British Heavy Metal!!! "On Through The Night" & "High N' Dry" Defining #NWOBHM !!
sorry but Pour some sugar on me and love bites are not metal
And pyromania was nwobhm
Def Leppard are rock. I think Joe Elliott says they are not he knows better than we do.
@@willd4731 Hysteria was when Def Leppard started to wimp out
Hell should be on the list! They released their Demo in the 80s, and really played up the theatrical satanic image for NWOBHM. They basically bridged the gap between Saxon and Venom. They never got to release an album because their record label collapsed and their lead singer committed suicide.
But half of the songs on their début album in 2011 were re-recordings of their demos, achieving everything they could have during the early 80s! Perhaps Hell could go on a new chart of New Wave of Traditional Metal, like with White Wizzard, Enforcer and Skull Fist?
I’m way late to this interesting party! But I’m British and was there at the time. The nit picking about style and genre misses the whole point. It was a scene a movement NOT a genre. It was as much about the vibe than the exact type of music or lyrics etc. Looking back over 30 years is misleading. My test was did I or my mates listen to X band, go the their gigs, have their patch on a cut off. At the time it was 100% Priest, Venom, Def Lep, Satan, Praying Mantis, More, Jaguar were all part of the heavy metal scene in Britain at the time. Lemmy said what he liked but Motörhead fans were all Nwobhm fans, that’s all you need to know. Iron Maiden weren’t as huge as they became obviously - bands like the awesome Angel Witch and Diamond Head were heavy, dark and cutting edge. Both should have taken over the world. It’s all metal it’s all good.
Maybe some of Def Leppard's stuff is technically considered NWOBHM, but they definitely aren't known as being a "heavy" metal band, most of what their known for is their rock pop radio stuff, and I haven't heard a ton of metal bands sighting Def Leppard as having a big influence on their heavy style.
Grim Reaper were late era NWOBHM ( in geographical location only as These bands developed into their own identity separate from the similarities NWOBHM shared as a whole ). For instance higher Vocals , more sophisticated guitar leads , a more cohesive band image , but most notably the production quality became much higher level. As we're Tysondog , Syron Vanes , Touched , Bladerunner, Tyga Myra , Cobra ,Shy , Rankelson, and Fastway
HOW is Blitzkrieg not on there? If Metallica covers one of their songs, they deserve a mention.
And Venom?
@@marcosfernandezmartinez5284 Sam has Venom under the first-wave black metal category
Seager? ha
Priest riding the wave? more like ahead of their time
where’s Merciful Fate?
YOU MISSED TOKYO BLADE...A VERY UNDERATED NWOBHM BAND. ALSO ONE THAT STILL MAKING GREAT RECORDS AS AN ACTIVE BAND. ALSO MISSED GASKIN...THEY MADE TWO AWESOME NWOBHM ALBUMS BETWEEN 1980 - 1982.
i've noticed on multiple occasions sam's accent varies. depending on instance,he goes back & forth between his native canadian and a more "'MURICAN" twang. dig it.
Damn. there's loads of NWOBHM bands I can recount.
Avenger
Spartan Warrior
Sparta
Mandora
Mythra
Satan
Blitzkrieg
A II Z
Warrior
Hell
Raven
Budgie
Geddes Axe
Millennium
Weapon UK
Venom
Judas Priest
Tysondog
Battleaxe
Atomkraft
Hammerhead
Virtue
While I agree with the vast majority of these, what I've noticed is they're only looking for bands in any given sub-genre that have made a massive impact. Not just a big impact, or a cult following, but HUGE.
I'm happy that Tank is on the list. Filth Hounds Of Hades is a great NWOBHM album. Great metal album in general!
Hell yeah like they took Motorheads influence and evolved it on
No Judas Priest magnet prepared? Fail! I have Judas Priest magnets and don't even have a board. :)
Priest gto stated in 1969... even though they became a well known metal band at the time.... they still predate NWOBHM.., by many years ( at least 11 years)
you have a point,tron.. but rocka rolla was released in 1974..i think
followed by sad wings of destiny
Paul, FAIL !! you've forgotten that Priest had Four Lps out ,before NWOBHM..
Priest is not NWOBHM, there the bridge between the New Wave and the Original Wave
I think Priest, Purple and Sabbath lay the groundrules for Metal, they can be the godfathers of multiple subgenres
Love Judas Priest but they are the FIRST WAVE OF BRITISH HEAVY METAL, along with Black Sabbath.
And Rainbow and Deep Purple.
@@Hy-jg8ow rainbow is a precursor of Power Metal
Pentagram and Saint Virus were acting in the underground Doom Metal simultaneously with Witchfinder General
That’s kind of true, but by the time they put their first albums out W.G. had already split up! So I guess it’s fair to say that apart from the deep underground ppl knew about WG far earlier than Pentagram & Vitus.
Back in 2009 MetalHammer and Classic Rock Magazine were pushing the "New Wave of Traditional Metal" genre. On the two free CDs they released, they featured bands such as Wolf, Cauldron, Bullet, Enforcer, Jex Thoth, White Wizzard, The Gates of Slumber, Stuka Squadron, Hysterica, Grand Magus, Powerwolf and Witchcraft to name a few.
I do agree with Martin when he talks about these bands having different sounds (some of the bands mentioned are Doom Metal, Power Metal, etc.) and this definitely wasn't a scene (I don't think there is even a definitive end to this "era") but maybe NWOTM could be worked into a genre. If this is the case then Steelwing should also be on it.
I think essential NWOBHM bands for skill & influence are Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, & the underrated Angel Witch.
Dont forget Tygers of Pan Tang
Sabbath bloody sabbath album cover is not only the best example of a heavy metal album cover,but it's the best album cover of all time.
TBH, Priest had a metal sound WAY before NWOBHM, just listen to Sad Wings of Destiny or Sin after Sin. Dissident Aggressor is thrash before Lemmy decided to go in the heavier direction with Motorhead. I Agree that Priest doesn't belong here, because you'd have to put them in so many categories if you put them here (Power metal with Nostradamus, Thrash with Painkiller and Jugulator, NWOBHM with British Steel and The Killing Machine).
Where's Samson on the list ? Also Blitzkrieg, Sweet Savage . Venom should also be on the list !!!!!
Venom they put on the Thrash or first wave black metal category
Gillan, Whitchfynde, Whitchfinder General
Have you watched the video?
DIAMOND HEAD that's all
Awesome episode and thanks for pronouncing my name correctly!! Also: who else is feeling the speed metal category? lets get this ball (of death) rolling!!!
Again, great episode, but my main complaint being the lack of discussion about the bands already on the list. Justify the choises! Tell the audience why!
Black Sabbath albums didn't look like heavy metal? I guess he never saw the covers of sabbath bloody sabbath, master of reality, etc...
the cover of black sabbath's self titled lp reminded me of a vincent price movie ...when I saw it
The first album wit the creepy house and the woman . Saying sabbath wasn't looking heavy should get a mouth full. Lol
Plus black sabbath has one of the most naturally metal sounding names of all time
water bear take a look at the title of the segment..
Sanbath predates this by 10 years.
Dagger , didn't Sabbath predate NWONHM by ten years?
What about White Spirit ? Jhanick Ghers was in the band
Writing in late is likely not to help. However, no discussion of Blitzkrieg is surprising! To me as a younger guy diving back into the NWOBHM scene, Blitzkrieg is a much more current touchstone than Tank, Holocaust, or Fist. Also as mentioned, Satan gets a lot of buzz around the internet nowadays. Perhaps Blitzkreig/Satan could be entered as a joint, due to the same singer? The mighty Metallica had plenty of Blitzkrieg covers..!
Grim Reaper is N.W.O.B.H.M. \m/
Wrong grim Reaper absolutely was not new wave of British heavy metal they came too late and they didn't sound anything like the other bands
Wenndingo Foster They’re a late entry into the NWOBHM scene but they Surely belong there, even Sam Dunn & Martin Popoff agree besides all the bands from that time gap had different styles from Saxon to Maiden to Motörhead to Angelwitch to Diamond Head
@@sonusworld5357 technically speaking as they were nwobhm but there as well as his other bands you mentioned they also had their own identity threat there were hundreds of bands at all sounded quite similar to the album Def Leppard on through the night. That is what most people associate with to be new wave of British heavy metal. And definitely grim Reaper had the single called the reaper on a metal compilation in 1981 so you are right they do belong. I just really think of the see you in hell album is something a little different than the other bands were doing . at the time that album was released almost all the other new wave of British heavy metal bands did some drastic changes in their sound and were closer in sound to Duran , Duran than Judas Priest . listen to jaguars debut album and then listen to jaguars this time and you can understand what I'm talking about. grim Reaper were actually one of the first of The roaster of ebony records which were mainly British heavy metal bands , but by 1984 it was kind of different it's hard to explain in words but there were just things happening that in music that we're all together different. Thrash was developing. Working class Metal had all but died in 1984 . Music in general is getting more extreme and branching out in different directions. Grim reapers debut album was right on the cusp
Wenndingo Foster True but NWOBHM was a Time Gap not a Genre or a Sub Genre unlike Thrash, Death, Power, Speed or Black Metal where the bands do sound more or less alike besides Def Leppard although you rightly said are 1 Band most people associate with the scene are also a Very Contentious band on that list because they don’t like the NWOBHM label especially Joe Elliot , in many interviews he’s been like really upfront really vocal about it. It’s possible that some bands changed their sound or mellowed down to get bigger but G.R. do belong in that scene
@@sonusworld5357 technically yes you are 100% correct. But too many people hit has become a sound they identity with . That sound is best representative of bands like Trespass , Gaskin , Money , Sledgehammer ,A2 Z , and Def Leppard - On Through the Night , Geddes Axe , Jaguar Ethyl the Frog. I agree someone should of come up with a title for that particular sound since it includes bands such as early Riot , Gotham City , Taipan, Axe Witch , and Crysis none of which were British . The term was meant as a regional music scene not a subgenre of Metal , but just like the Gothenburg scene people have related it to a sound . Oddly enough many metal fans relate it to the latter era of 1983 onward bands with more agressiv aggressive styles such as Trojan , Bladerunner , Grim Reaper , and Tysondog , while others like myself have identified it with the more Rock Metal almost Garage band sounding acts of 1978 - 1982 . I never related Saxon , or Venom to NWOBHM other than geographically . Saxon had a style ahead of it's time . Iron Maiden started with that type of sound , but definitely developed beyond the limitations of the style. Probably a better term for the defining sound to transcend territorial boundaries would be First Wave of True Metal
Hi! At first...great Vardis' t-shirt of the really underrated "100 m.p.h." album!!!! Stve Zodian, Alan and Gary were rellly "on fire" and not only "on stage"....😄
I remember in the 80's this rock music encyclopedia labelling Venom 'punk metal' and Motorhead 'speed rock'
Both Venom , and Motorhead had some songs that sound Punk. Both British bands . Venom definitely were NWOBHM as were Fastway . Motorhead came upon the scene a few years too early . The bands that inspired Sounds writer Geoff Barton to coin the term were Angel Witch , Praying Mantis , Tygers of Pantang , Samson , and Iron Maiden . That was sometime in1979
@@wenndingofoster5680 Punk is a very important to those bands, both had a DIY punk attitude, both played fast, Motorhead was the first prototype for the punk metal hybrid, Venom took that to the extremes and made it faster, dirtier, heavier and darker
@@lightray9573 early NWOBHM was ragged full of bands that had no real image ( the 4 dudes at a bus stop look like Saxon had ) . The songs generally owed more to Motorhead than Deep Purple . The vocals seldom exhibited much range . Early Gotham City , Syar as well as USA band Crysis are the True NWOBHM sound not Iron Maiden with Bruce Dickenson or Tysondog . Certainly not Grim Reaper with Steve Grimmet . NWOBHM was a Garage band Street Level aesthetic that today's NWOTHM don't just not get , they listen to Saxon - Crusader , Grim Reaper - Rock You To Hell and believe that is what NWOBHM was all about . Those are great albums but Green Day actually sounded closer to the real early NWOBHM than any of these NWOTHM bands could even be capable of. When I think about NWOBHM last album I think Geddes Axe - Escape From New York was the final real NWOBHM released. Ebony label LPs were some great Heavy Metal , but too sophisticated to be True NWOBHM
@@wenndingofoster5680 I dont get what you are getting at man, the New wave of British Heavy metal was a movement between 1977-1983, it's not exactly a genre. Bands play heavy metal but with their own ideas, sounds and production. Also I whole heartily disagree about Green Day being closer to the garage metal sound than other British Hard rock/Heavy metal bands... nah nah nah dude you completely lost me there, there is no "true NWOBHM" it's a movement where bands helped develop other musical genres related to Heavy metal or Punk rock even
@@wenndingofoster5680 Theres so many bands in the NWOBHM, some would fit in with Pub rock, Hard rock and some even progressive rock influenced heavy metal, alot of bands also either hated Punk rock and wanted to answer it with their metal or they liked the energy and added the attitude of punk to their metal music, sped up and tougher sound
Iron Maiden
.their first four lps were NWOBHM
Judas Priest is Definitely Pre-NWOBHM !!!!!
Can't wait for next week's favorite albums of 2016 so far!!! For me, the top 6 are:
1. Tremonti- Dust
2. Striker- Stand in the Fire
3. Metal Church- XI
4. Anthrax- For All Kings
5. Primal Fear- Rulebreaker
6. Megadeth- Dystopia
I expect all of these albums, except maybe the Striker one cause I'm not sure how many know them, are in the discussion!!
GRIM REAPER
How about a Part 2 with Martin? I'd love his and Sam's take on the bands on the main chart.
what?! no, Rock Goddess?!
They've been around as long as Girlschool has...
Jodi Turner & the girls are the best power trio in all of NWOBHM !
And like Girlschool they're still around today!
I would have included solo Ozzy Osbourne. Yes, he was around before NWOBHM, but that was in Sabbath. Once he formed his new band after Sabbath, it was a whole new band with a different sound.
Same with the band Dio.
His entire band at the time was American though.
TelevisedPork Half American, half British, but his sound and target audience was British.
jaocheu you could also say Dio-era Sabbath too and early Riot and Armored Saint (not British, but they had the NWOBHM sound.).
TelevisedPork I would agree with Dio era Sabbath and I don't have a problem with including foreign bands in the mix. I'd add Blizzard of Ozz too. How about post Dio Rainbow? Definitely a change to an upbeat tempo.Or what about the German scene, MSG, Warlock ect?
If you'd have said to a person in 1982, Iron Maiden, Samson, Saxon and Motorhead are all part of a current movement, but MSG, Dio/Sabbath, Venom and Priest are completely different, they'd have given you a strange look.
Blitzkrieg, Cloven Hoof, Traitor's Gate. Excalibur, Crucifixion - not at all that many records (maybe Blitzkrieg and Cloven Hoof with more than a handful...), but here quality definitely triumphs over quantity.
One thing that can be said of NWOBHM is that while it was quickly eclipsed by LA Glam Metal, its various influences in turn far surpassed and outlived any influence Glam had in the long term, whether, as Martin and Sam discussed, we're talking about Thrash, Power Metal, or Venom's influence on Black Metal, and also then Venom and Thrash's subsequent influence on Death and other extreme styles.
Priest forms in '69 and Popoff says they are the second wave of heavy metal. Sabbath formed in '68, so by his logic the first wave of heavy metal occurred between those two years, before either of the aforementioned bands even released a studio album? I mean, what exactly is the definition of this genre? They can't seem to decide on which is more important, what year the band was formed, when their first album dropped, or what year they hit the big time. Popoff argues that Priest had released 5 albums by the time this was a "thing", which would include all of their albums through '79. Using his logic again, by that time ('79), Motorhead had released 3 albums and had been a band for 4 years already. Following his thought process, either Motorhead does not belong in NWOBHM (Which I believe), or Judas Priest does belong (Which I do not believe). So in my opinion, they either need to add Priest or take off Motorhead. I say take off Motorhead!
agree. motorhead was already an " old" band and had a different style. so if jp is off, so is motorhead.
I feel you, but to play devil's advocate: Although Priest had been doing its thing since 1969, they didn't really catch on and be recognized on a grand scale until the late 70's along with other NWOBHM bands. So to a casual observer at the time, it would seem that JP was just another new band coming up along with bands like Maiden.
It's like how people generally consider Pantera starting around "Cowboys From Hell" even though they had been around for a decade before.
the first wave of metal got started before sabbath & priest..at least a year before.. ( ever heard of The Amboy Dukes & MC5?)
Astraea Reminiec those bands had elements in my opinion but the first real metal album and song was Black Sabbath!
Yea Priest and Motorhead are not NWOBHM. To me NWOBHM bands are the ones that put out there first albums/ep's starting in 1979. Quartz doesn't count either imo since they started in '74 and released there first in '77.
Wow, these happen at a really bad time for me now....
I mean I couldn't contribute anything on NWOBHM anyways, but it doesn't seem like I'll be able to join you guys on any future episodes (at least in the next few months).
But I guess most other viewers are better off with this time.
Sorry to hear that. We have a global audience so there's no perfect time. We're going to see how this new timeslot goes for the next while. You can still comment in advance - we read the best of those also during the show.
+BANGER Don't you agree that when NWOBHM discussions arise, Angel Witch gets little to no appreciation.
Banger :,one band that went completely overlooked in NWOBHM ( especially on this list ) is Rock Goddess..
Girlschool weren't the only Metal goddesses in the genre...
The day I heard their cover of a Gary Glitter song ( I didn't Know I loved you)
My heart cried "Finally ! A Band that's harder in sound & has a bitchier attitude than Girlschoool..! My favorite track from teh Hell hathno fury Lp is the title track ! Rock Goddess rocks harder than Girlschool,who turned soft in 1986
Banger Rules !!!!!
Venom belongs in the N.W.O.B.H.M. and they're also the Godfathers of the whole Extreme Metal Scene --- All the Speed,Thrash,Death,Doom and Black Metal it's like everyone from Metallica to Slayer to Pantera to Morbid Angel to Dark Funeral \m/ \m/
Venom definitely caught the tail end of the movement but I wouldn't really put them with alot of the other bands except Motorhead, Tank and Raven etc, but even then they were the first proto type Thrash metal, and of course first wave black metal movement .
I did a list of the top NWOBHM albums and tallied them up with a few exceptions and Angel Witch(st) Diamond Head(lightning) were the top albums and that I recognized the bands more
You're an angel witch, you're an angel witch.
Now you can't take that song off your head.
Already had it stuck in my head half this ep :P
Russell, here's another one
Don't break the circle ,don't break the circle
You also need to remember one of the main criteria for Yeah new wave British heavy-metal is that most of those bands formed for two reasons. First. Was because the traditional heavy metal bands were getting so big and so hard to see that they wanted some music to go see and listen to locally. Second. It’s because most of these artists hated punk so much that they created this type of music in this specific location at the specific time as a rebuttal for punk.
This list in the chart would be different if you wanted to list the ones most influential to later bands, or instead list the ones who were biggest at the time. And I wouldn’t include motorhead because they were older started too early and were previously involved in bands back in the sixties. But both motorhead and Judas Priest would be the biggest influences on these bands
Grim Reaper? Blitzkrieg? Glaring omissions here
Blitzkrieg , Sabre , Hollow Ground , Savage , Tokyo Blade ,
@@wenndingofoster5680 And Venom?
Def Leppard belong in there for writing 'Wasted' alone
It's a wasted "metal" song
No Demon?
Motorhead and Judas Priest dont belong to the NWoBHM, BECAUSE they were much older than the rest of the bands and they were famous before 1980.
The first major bands of the NWoBHM were
Quartz
Iron Maiden
Saxon
Samson
Def Leppard
Angelwitch
Rock Goddess belongs on this branch
They are the best super trio of NWOBHM
Jaguar, Tokyo Blade?
I totally agree Def leppard's first two, On Through The Night, and High & Dry, is NWOBHM, until Joe Eliot woke up one day and decided to Jump Ship from the big NWOBHM Vessel and swimmed over to the Pop rock/Hardrock dingy !
ANVIL! Not British but deserve to be up there!
Deaf Leopard albums look "heavy metal" but they sound like New Wave 🌊 of British 🇬🇧 hard rock 🤘🏻 Heavy Metal involves lyrics with violent n' fantastic imagery and extended guitar solos
NWoBHM was a movement, lasted from 79 to 83..so if Def Leppard went Hair metal after that it's no exclusion from the original movement, cause they had their EP and their 2 or 3 NWoBHM style LPs before 83.
Thin Lizzy are with out questions one of the main influences and not British Irish out and out
Thin Lizzy also was in the 70s,not early 80s
Hey Guys.! Why isn;t my favorite band Wolfsbane on this chart?
Blaze Bayley's voice was incredible back then, they were a lot of fun to listen to... Their videos were funny..
montalo was guitarist in witchfynde,steve bridges is singer on the first 2 albums
"deep purple and Black Sabbath album's didn't look heavy metal" I beg to differ with ya there bud.
They had metal look covers... A lot.
Still better than the Loudwire top ten that didn't include Diamond Head
It was actually a pretty decent list and a great video
I think Venom and Def Leppard should have been included because it's not a genre but a scene. Plus even though Venom was tuned down to C# their riffing and shredding styles were just the same as the other bands on the chart. On the Def Leppard issue, Tygers of Pan Tang also went towards a more commercial direction and produced lots of songs with popy lyrics such as Love Potion No.9. Moreover, Hollow Ground and Blitzkrieg at least should have been mentioned here due to their impact on Metallica. Also White Spirit also deserved a mention due to being the only band in the scene that utilized heavy organ sound, hence prefered more of Deep Purple type of sound and due to featuring the later Iron Maiden guitarist Janick Gers
What about doing a Speed Metal episode with Anvil, Metal Church, Mercyful Fate, Accept, Motörhead and the others that fall between N.W.O.B.H.M. and Thrash?
Have you guys done a first wave of heavy metal episode?
otakurocklee
BLUE CHEER!!!
I can't believe I missed it :(
What about thin lizzy? I know they were teetering on this movement and were an influence to most of these bands. But where do yall think lizzy falls into the nwobhm?
Are we going to have a New Wave of Traditional Heavy Metal Tree?
I don't think we have a choice, do we? :-)
To start off, there's Ambush, Enforcer, and my favorite Skull Fist.
+Axel Bourne Zeal CV Skull Fist!
+Axel Bourne Zeal CV
Also cauldron ,white wizzard ,holy grail ,wolf and maybe 3 inches of blood
jim,leatherwolf ,crimson glory, Savatage Etc
...back at the (memorable) time there were sooooooooo many upcoming bands, among these, some of them did break the ice and solit themselves up toward the newborn metal-sky...I remember that Saxon were the first pioneers that led the way with "Wheels of steel"- I won't include Motorhead into the scene cos Lemmy Philthy and Eddie were ALREADY there since 1977 (even before if we calculate "On parole" as their pseudo-debut album). Surely they built a style, along with Judas priest of course (UFO, Rainbow and Thin Lizzy were more hard rock-oriented)...songs like "Overkill", "Motorhead", "Exciter", Starbreaker", Sinner" etc made history and have been the power surge for the newcomers...I still see the cover of Def Leppard's "On through the night" shining in my hands while "Rock brigade" did start the NWOBHM assault...no faults on this project!!! (not the same with its follower, "High and dry", which demonstrated already a slightly turn toward a more AC/DC's sound) and what to say about the GREAT "Demolition" album by Girlschool? Wow!!!! They teamed along with MOTORHEAD..AND THIS SAID IT ALL ABOUT THEIR QUALITIES!!!! "Nothin' to lose", "Breakdown", "Emergency", "The hunter"...OMG!!!...awesome! Iron maiden did show their zombie punk faced Eddie on the EP...so "Running free" and, then, "Wrathchild"...."Murders in the rue Morgue", "Prowler"....the first two lps were such bombs!!!!
Along with them came "Angel witch's debut album who was - for me - good but not exceptional...there were so great songs like "Gorgon", "Confused", "Atlantis" and the title track...but others were really below the bar....and they lasted only that disc...too less...Tygers of pan tang's "Wild cats" was another turning point for the birth of the NWOBHM! Ferociuos riffs, great scratchy vox, powered drum section...."Euthanasia", "Slave to freedom", "Suzie smiled" (one of the best metal-riff ever), "Insanity....were ALL classics!! Such a pity that after "Spellbound" they drove themselves into a more commercial way...have to save only few tracks from "Crazy nights"..."Do it good", "Raised on rock" and "Running out of time"...More! "Warhead" was not bad at all as a debut! It included some great songs like "Depression", the up-tempo "Road rocket", the anthemic "We are the band", the metal ride "I have no answer"...their second album "Blood and thunder" wasn't bad at all "Killer on the prowl", "Traitor's gate" "i just can't believe it" are really solid and good songs...others...not so much...then they disappeared...(the change of half line up did have its weight...)...Fist!...remembering their song on the "Lead weight" AAVV (on which did appear even, for the first time Venom and Raven "Angel dust" and "Inquisitor" respectively), "Throwing in the towel" - good hard-rockin' song, loved more "Axeman" and "Name rank and seril number" on the "Turn the hell on" album...and, it amy sounds awkward but I still prefer "Back with a vengeance"! "All i cand do", "Going wild tonite", "Too hot", "SS Giro", "The feeling's right"....were perfect pieces of good, solid and heavy NWOBHM songs!!!...Demon! "Night of the demon", "Into the nightmare", One helluva night", "Father of time"..."Decisions", "Liar"...apart two floppy tracks on the b-side, that was a perfect NWOBHM album! "Don't break the circle" remains a CLASSIC together with "Deliver us from evil" and even"The grand
illusion", "Strange institution" and "Beyond the gates of hell" are over-the-top songs...Holocaust! Aaaaaaaah..."The nightcomers"..a pefect grinding-production! "HM mania" (that it should have become THE metal anthem of it all....), "Death or glory"..."Mavrock"..."Pushing around"...the marvellous title track..oh, boys...that was a MASTERPIECE...as often, they disappeared, lost inn time and space...hologram was another kind of band, nothin' to share with them.............
End of first part!
Python interview/ documentary style is so present. Eric Idle Rutles. It's all Good. We are tributes to influence.
Could Sam & Martin Popoff do another Anglo metal segment?
there are so many bands that haven't been added to the branch
sam,what do you think of calling NWOBHM ,Anglo Metal?
Ask Martin Popoff about it
Martin will be back for sure. And we still have the Best NWOBHM album show to do...
I think that Budgie deserved more love as pioneers of the NWOBHM sound. Yes, they were technically a Welsh band, and they played a lot of quirky psychedelic rock alongside their heavier material, but their earlier albums sounded like a dirty hybrid of Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, and their later albums (particularly Power Supply and Night Flight) were textbook examples of the NWOBHM sound.
the original Black Sabbath album looks VERY metal to me, Parinoid also looks metal. So saying that they didn't is a matter of personal opinion.
One of the main things that the people at Banger and much of the viewing audience has come to agree upon is that metal really starts to become metal when there is identification as metal, rather than a retrospective sort of thing.
+Necrosanctum I understand what you are saying but to me and alot of others metal started with Iomi's first riff in Black Sabbath. Even if they personally don't identify with being metal. Judas Priest was to my knowledge the first band that identified themselves as a heavy metal band.
Sabbath bloody sabbath was the most metal looking of all of the sabbath lps!
I love this. Really cool
both on through the night, high and dry& pyromania were British steel...
But ,those lps were on the mercury label,not polygram
+Nathan Jones: Accept were/are not as talented as Maiden. Promotion isn't the only reason Accept fell a little short of Maiden's icon status. BTW, I like Accept.
Glenn Atkinson ACCEPT WAS AS TALENTED AS MAIDEN !!! Saw accept n maiden on powerslave 1985 .... Accept opened , prov civic center ... Best and most heavy band of the day ....
Why isn't Whitesnake on this branch?
the song that introduced the snake to the world was the original version of Here I go again..
My voice reflects a David Coverdale Influence
Days on green, Monsters of Rock, Readings Rock Festival....Marquee
Venom's Welcome to Hell was full-fledged Black Metal before it existed. A lot of people don't want to admit that, and rather call them an influence at best, but c'mon. It's stylistacly identical to Bathory's first two records.
Influential, definitely. But Black Metal as we now know it barely existed until albums like Under the Sign of the Black Mark and INRI. Tremolo-picking techniques found in proto-Death Metal bands, like Sodom's first EP, Possessed, Death, Slayer, as well as the odd almost-atonal melodies of Celtic Frost/Hellhammer contributed the most to the music of later Black Metal. Bathory and Sarcofago are just where all of the elements finally came together to resemble something more modern-sounding, w/o blues influences, differentiated from bands like Motorhead, Heavy Metal bands, or the predominant Thrash and proto-Death Metal bands of the time. Venom really sounds nothing like the second wave or Blood Fire Death, the Swedish bm scene, Blasphemy/Beherit/Impaled Nazarene, or what even came after that.
Venom is Thrash metal, they influenced Black metal by name and imagery but that's where it begins and ends
@@lightray9573 in that case, you're arguing that Venom is the first Thrash Metal band. Which, no, they aren't. The music is way too loose, and simple, to be thrash.
@@sinbysin666 way to loose and simple to be Thrash huh?
What exactly makes something to tight or too loose to be a genre? Their complexity unless we are talking about progressive rock/metal music.
Didn't know Venom played basic Pop punk with that definition.. Are you really going to tell me everything from Black metal to Calm Before the storm is just Black metal? You know that the first-wave of Black metal are almost just influential Speed and Thrash metal bands and sometimes even early Death metal get thrown in there, that helped form a prototype for the coming Norwegian black metal scene, the first wave includes Hellhamner which is really even more loose and simple than Venom, yet they are considered all Thrash metal, first-wave Black metal and early Death metal. Out of Hellhammers ashes forms Celtic Frost which ended up way more progressive, influential, added complexity and variety than Venom ever was, Mercyful Fate(sounds nothing like black metal, could even pass as progressive rock, hard rock and heavy metal put together), Slayer(during their haunting the chapel EP to their second album Hell Awaits where musically and lyrically they were very influential to both black and death metal)then you got Bathory(which became closest to actual Black metal before Norway and then even prototypes Viking metal), Sarcofago(Also good example of real black metal pre-Norway but also categorized under Death metal), Bulldozer also great real Black metal band perhaps Blackened Thrash metal?, Possessed(considered first band to connect Thrash metal to its extreme form of Death metal), Morbid Angel(which is great early Death metal and one of first with Blast Beat drumming along with Napalm Death) etc etc many Norwegian black metal bands call these as their influences along with Motorhead and even early Metallica mentioned alot along with alot of Hardcore punk and D-Beat punk styles like Discharge. Anyhow I still stick to my statement that Venom is a Thrash metal band. They are not full fledged black metal, from 1981 to now, they are definitely Thrash metal and Speed metal.
@@lightray9573 Bands like Venom, and Hellhammer don't exibit the tight, more sophisticated characteristics of thrash metal. It's rather just a more extreme version of Motorhead (without the Maiden, Priest, Raven influences of Thrash). Blackened Thrash might be a good fit in retrospect, but my point is that songs like Blood Lust are essentially the exact the same thing Bathory did. And since more 2nd wave BM bands just ripped off Bathory, this shows are direct link from Black Metal to the sound of Venom.
what does Martin know can't be much Black Sabbath doesn't look heavy metal take another look at the first album? very heavy metal. I'll give him Deep purple. Metal didn't begin with Nwobhm it began in the early 70's.
Mark Santucci. I agree with you...UH could be included in the 1st wave of metal
Mountain, Grand Funk Railroad,Montrose etc all could be included..
Sam& martin: I have a question about Witchfinder General.
Did they borrow their name from the Vincent Price movie ?
Yes they do
skip to 4:05
I agree that NWOBHM is the beginning of Metal proper before this time bands were not trying to be metal, they were more hard rock. the image changes the lyrics become darker. people always seem to forget that in the beginning it was all rock and (or) hard rock at this time when the New Wave hits it was different way different, metal was called metal...
raven is speed metal...they were from england but they were much more on the extreme metal side
Iron Maiden
Saxon
Def Leppard
Judas Priest
Motörhead
Venom
Diamond Head
Angel Witch
Tygers of Pan Tang
Raven
Tank
Cloven Hoof
Praying Mantis
Grim Reaper
Blitzkrieg
Avenger
Attacker
Armored Saint
Crimson Glory
Fist
Witchfinder General
Witchfynde
Armored Saint is not British.
Rock Goddess need on this list as much as Girlschool do.
def leppard can belong on a couple of branches of the metal family tree..
their first ep & two first lps were NWOBHM & Pyromania pushed them ion to the pop metal branch
Other than Natalie Zed, Popoff is EASILY the most interesting guest on Lock Horns. Keep the two of them coming back please!!!
Ironically the first 'real' NWOBHM band that anyone in the UK back in 1977 got really interested in was...Def Leppard! First 45 I ever bought was the Rocks Off EP. Saw them gig with Witchfynde as support. Tygers of Pan Tang supporting Saxon was another gig I recall vividly from 1978. Travelled down to London to see Maiden supporting Judas Priest at the Rainbow Theatre in North London, that was 77-78 IIRC. Definitely NO to Motorhead - they weren't on the radar at all in 77-78!