Atmospheric Black Metal Band Debate | Lock Horns (live stream archive)
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LOCK HORNS: ATMOSPHERIC BLACK METAL adds a new branch to our heavy metal family tree. Host Sam Dunn welcomes back guest Blayne Smith for a live debate on the subgenre you've requested most. Join us LIVE on Thursday February 15 at 4pm EST. But don't forget: come ready to fight!
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In summation: If there is a scratchy band logo over a forest landscape on the album cover that looks like it was painted by Bob Ross then you are listening to atmospheric black metal.
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Blayne convinced me to finally look into Blut Aus Nord. That front end of the discography is pure atmospheric black metal in the finest form. Anyone who looks past that band needs their head examined. Thank you for yet another wonderful recommendation, man.
I think they would also fit well on an avant-garde black metal list.
the memoria vestuta trilogy is 100% ABM
@@galosniper7010 I'm going to have a listen to it tonight
One thing I like about them is how much they experiment with their discography. While there’s the distinct Blut Aus Nord qualities, there’s a huge difference between all of their albums, with many taking influence from the unlikeliest of places, like industrial(not industrial metal, just straight up industrial) as well as Illbient and psychedelia.
Very glad to see Drudkh on this list. They are great ABM band whose talent gives us awesome music like Blood In Our Wells, Forgotten Legends, and Eternal Turn of the Wheel. I'm looking forward to the new album coming out soon!
Autumn Aurora is arguably their most ABM album.
Blood In Our Wells is an amazing album! Furrows of The Gods and Solitude are perfect!
According to Season of Mist the release date is Friday March 9- I can hardly wait!
Matt Hatter Autumn Aurora is right up there with Hvis Lyset and Dawn of the Dying Sun as one of the best BM albums of all-time. A true masterpiece.
Hvis Lyset is my favorite Burzum album.
Panopticon and Agalloch just do it for me...I can't explain it, they're just the best.
We need a DSBM branch, it has every right being on the tree as much as ABM! Xasthur, I Shalt Become, Leviathan, Krohm, Striborg! Need I say more?!
KAYLA S. *cough* Shining *cough*
Silencer my brother
But Leviathan is not dsbm ~
DeliciousDishes how are they not? Have you heard the Tenth Sub Level of SUICIDE?
well first of all *he, because it's just Wrest and second of all, have you heard literally any other album by him? Massive Conspiracy Against All Life is definitely not one, A Silhouette in Splinters is an ambient record and Scar Sighted isn't one either, since that is much more heavily influenced by his other project Lurker of Chalice. True Traitor, True Whore and Howl Mockery at the cross get a bit closer, but still aren't really like stuff from Silencer, Shining or Xasthur. Verräter also doesn't fit in my opinion. Maybe tentacles of Whorror is his only one that could fit there besides Thenth Sublevel of Suicide.
But overall his sound is way bigger than dsbm and it would be silly to reduce him to that. He's often sad (though never as sad as on Lurker of Chalice), but doesn't fit the dsbm framework that well often times. Or he's the only guy in the genre vastly expanding outwards into his own direction. At which point it's silly to call him part of it.
As Nogrim said, you should share a Spotify playlist with every episode of Lock Horns.
They did for awhile on Apple Music before they started curating their own stuff. Wish they would have kept with it though.
Where was Paysage D'Hiver? They deserve to be at the top with burzum
My thoughts exactly. THAT is atmosphere, not some doofus layering acoustic guitars and trickling streams over everything.
Loved it! I wish Saor was mentioned.
Kevin Tiedeman Saor came up a bunch in the chat but few people gave strong arguments for them and it kind of got drowned out by the arguments about Alcest and Blut Aus Nord, people spamming Negura Bunket without explanation, and that one guy who just bitched about Weakling and insulted people.
^Pretty much!
Agree with that
SAOR is great!
I agree with burzum is the legend. Hyvss let set tar oss is the blueprint for atmospheric black metal
No no really.. There were a lot of bands pre-burzum Hvis lyset tar oss, that is just as great
@@worldinpains2.035 Such as?
@@worldinpains2.035 Being first doesn't mean you are the most influential. HLTO is undoubtedly the yardstick for the genre.
@@worldinpains2.035 still waiting, dude. Name em
@@worldinpains2.035 We're still waiting. Come on.
Drudkh for the win.
I love how you have the trident as your profile pic on top of being a drudkh fan.
Myself being from Kharkov Ukraine, i have to represent the guys from my hometown. \m/
PesteNoire88 listening to eternal turn of the wheel now actually
Surprised none of them started screeching about knotsies when Drudkh came up.
@@brandontadday6288 nice, check out Monarque
Blayne is the shit! So glad to see him in this debate. Also, Blut Aus Nord definitely has top tier CLASSIC ABM albums, crazy how people didn't praise them and/or vote for it. Unbelievable but oh well.
Surprised no one mentioned Wodensthrone.... They weren't together long, but they got pretty big for a second and the two albums they recorded were masterpieces
I would love to see an episode on Funeral Doom and another on DSBM.
Or at least Death-Doom...Winter, Dusk, Disma...leading to Skepticism, Thergothon, Worship, Ahab!
@@BayouDrank there is an episode of Death/Doom now. In the Funeral three (if there's one some day) there must be Skepticism, Ahab and Mournful Congregation, definitely
@@Axelrckr But bro... Shape Of Despair!
Late to the party but my top 10 would be:
*Burzum* - pretty obvious pick for being the first act to use keys "atmospherically" and not melodically
*Strid* - overlooked act but still among the first to slow down the tempo to create a hazy vibe
*Ulver* - perfectly fused minimal folk elements with old school BM
*In the Woods* - built upon the foundation of Burzum but took it in a more progressive direction
*Black Cilice* - takes the cake for creating the spookiest atmosphere on the planet
*Summoning* - created the "epic" subgenre, successfully crafting a genuine medieval feeling
*Blut Aus Nord* - perfect incorporation of industrial elements with heavy atmosphere
*Nokturnal Mortum* - walking the fine line between symphonic and ambient BM brilliantly
*Drudkh* - may have outdone Ulver when it comes to fusing folk with BM
Last but not least, my personal favourite, and Burzum's most important disciple
*Paysage d'Hiver* - the act that perfectly incorporates noise aesthetics as an integral part of his musical expression
Great list! Hope you can join us live sometime, or leave a comment in advance in the pre-show chat, FB page or RUclips polls. Those are just the kinds of comments we like!
HAHAH The company I work for is called ABM. I also had no idea of the sub-genre's existence and found some fucking awesome music due to this episode. Thanks dudes!
Awesome. Thanks for watching!
Panopticon rules
You guys crushed it, despite RUclips trying to bring ya’ down. Another killer Locked Horns!
Thanks Prof!
How did I just find out about this channel/ segment. This is amazing lol going on a listening journey tonight.
Coldworld would have been my pick if I saw this stream at the time.
Who voted down Blut Aus Nord? Should definitely be there.
because they're just so much more important for their other albums. Those are groundbreaking and inspirational to the entire scene, while their atmo bm just kind of... exists.
Same dude who said Summoning is "pedestrian". When they start questioning whether Caladan Brood belongs over BAN there's clearly something wrong happening in that feed.
@@obfuscator_ium very true, also they didn't even know the Summoning logo was upside-down..🤦♂️ lol what a fail.
@@claytonwalker2324 C A S U A L S
Sam "but i digress" Dunn
Fen: While they are often classed as post-black metal or blackgaze, they are highly atmospheric. Definitely the sort of band you can fall asleep to and end up accidentally astral travelling 😂
It was a pleasure to have them feature in our British black metal documentary (Shameless plug) and they had some really interesting things to say about what they try to communicate and deliver to their fans whether it be through their albums or at live shows. The two brothers were impacted by their childhood surroundings of the Fens and mentioned how being in nature would bring them into a state of creative flow, where they felt intoxicated and had an urge to capture that state.
This really shows in the music because intoxicated is exactly how you feel, listening to a Fen album. It's as if you're taken through a portal from the physical world into new, hidden dimensions. Their music evokes a sense of awe, grandiosity and natural beauty all while keeping the harshness and grimness of what you would expect from a black metal band.
There are many layers to every song and while there are signature phrases that hint that you're listening to Fen, they keep you on your toes, often breaking expectations of what it is to follow. They have a progressive structure to their songs and are a must listen for any atmospheric black metal lover.
Such a great band.
As a genre that focuses on nature this debate lacked those bands talking about space, which is the nature that still remains unknown and inaccessible to mankind. One can only imagen the different sonic landscapes that could origin from there, and Darkspace along with other bands try to channel this in their music. This is a truly unique take on Atmosphere, probably the purest one, and the path taken by this genre has branched out greatly on it. It would have been nice to explore more on this topic.
Obsequiae I think is a very important band as far as American ABM goes. The folk element is of a medieval nature, and their album "Aria of Vernal Tombs" is an absolute masterpiece.
I recommend you check out a band called Aquilus. they're kind of in the same league as Obsequiae. They'll blow you away
Aria is still my favorite record since it came out. Nothing has hit me (yet) so profoundly since. Can't wait for what Tanner does next. Gonna second Aquilus also. Griseus is wonderful.
I fucking love the way you conduct the debates and the albums I discover thanks to you
wolves in the Throne Room is awesome
just saw them in Philly tonight :) they stole the show from Enslaved... AMAZING
yes they are absolutely fantastic live. One of my top 5 live bands so far.
John Landis hey I'm a commie alright and I'm gonna stay ~
What are you gonna do about it big boy?
John Landis even though I didn't say that. I said there aren't many I liked that much (despite early Sepultura and some of the first grindcore stuff).
The soviet union doesn't have anything to do with my politics really.
Also I recently discovered galloping coroners (the true name escapes me right now), who were from Hungary during the time of the eastern block and I adore their albums. Probably a big influence on neurosis and other heavy bands with a more tribal vibe.
I never claimed I know all 80s metal? In fact I would say pre-90s is a giant gap in my knowledge. It's just not interesting to me because my favourite genres didn't exist yet. You're tiring. Who's that anthony guy?
"Atmospheric Black Metal is what you can fall asleep to but it still be metal"... Might I maybe suggest... Dungeonsynth? Maybe it's an ambient genre getting to that point, but its atmospherics / interior world... dark fantasy / medievalist... is the atmospherics of Metal.
I was prepared to be a little bored, but Blayne makes everything more fun lol. Props for the Panopticon add.
Sam is so academic that he's a bit dry lol, not bad but you can totally tell he has a Ph.D haha
This episode made me realize that my predominant genre is atmospheric black metal. I listened to more of these bands than any other genre. Thanks guys 😁
Burzum -Hvis Lyset Tar Oss is the first album in atmospheric Black Metal. there wasn't anyone else doing it before that
RevelationNone Bathory was the first listen to Blood Fire Death. Burzum did take it to another level
@@ProDoucher Blood Fire and Death atmospheric? 🤔🤔🤔 I dont know....👀
no Darkspace :(
They influenced a whole sub genre with their space themes. Bands like Alrakis wouldnt exist without their work. Cant please everyone, but this is a fatal oversight.
No both of you are wrong, Paysage d'hiver should be there before darkspace, it came out first.
Apples and Oranges. Paysage d'hiver didnt pioneer the space theme. Their lyrics are about different topics and also their sound doesnt replicate the wide and empty feeling of the endless galaxy. Darkspace prepared the ground for countless bands. Paysage d'hiver are more on the Ambient Black Metal side with Keyboard soundscapes and themes about nature, winter landscapes, introspectives, solitude etc. At least from what I remember. They are much closer to bands like Vinterriket.
you don't need to tell me who they are. Darkspace is on of my favorite band.
Gonna see them live next weekend in Netherlands Deathfest! \m/
Walknut should have been mentioned just for their pure ABM sound, Gravesforests and Thier Shodows is a masterpiece.
Leviathan should have been on this list. One man band, and uses some unorthodox instrumentation to create a very haunting, atmospheric sound.
they said he's DSBM
Nice list! However, where is the Mesarthim, Lustre, Saor, Aquilus, Darkspace, Eldamar, Elderwind, Evilfeast, Coldworld, Melankoli? Some of these bands are far more representative of ABM than some of the bands on this list.
Aquilus is so underrated its not even funny. Griseus blew my mind the first time I heard it
Aquilus! Yes!
Aquilus isn't atmospheric black in any way.
The band (as in the only guy in it) describes themselves as "atmospheric metal" so you're technically ot wrong but they're more of a neoclassical black metal band, if that even is a thing. A lot of classical and folk elements. Very enjoyable music in my opinion. Definitely atmospheric but not full-on ABM. idk...
There are no elements of black metal in Griseus (which is the most prominent album). I fail to see how this is atmospheric black metal, in any way.
Definitely need to do one on DSBM with Blane.
Love that Agolloch is on here I'm from portland oregon!
Time to start shouting IRON MAIDEN five minutes into every broadcast and see how quick chat shuts down
Noooooooooooooooo.
Glad Ruins of Beverast made it. Rain Upon the Impure is such an amazing album.
High praise for Blayne for the high praise for the Memoria Vetusta albums.
I'm someone who probably disagrees with Blayne politically on a few things, but the way he brought trolls into the conversation was a cool moment for me. Funny and not dickish. Super great job no. 1 Blayne!
Canadians looking so fucking uncomfortable talking about Burzum ...hilarious.
There's nothing wrong with Burzum and Varg. Only ignorants have anything against Varg.
we are an uncomfortable people
He isn't a racist, therefore I was right saying only ignorants have anything against Varg. What a bunch of pansies, holy fuck.
darkarchon then what is he if he isn't a racist?
A man
Marrow of the spirit is my favorite Agalloch album.
ni n ho oh n i n Into the painted grey is one of my top tunes of the 2010’s. Agalloch really doing DM
Having a DSBM band debate is very very very very very necessary, and the legend should be either xasthur or shining IMO
Julian Gonzalez what about silencer?
Joe Yuzwa silencer is good too
Paysage d'Hiver would have rounded out the top 10 nicely. Oh well :/
BEHERIT - Drawing Down The Moon 93. Atmospheric BM for sure, and legendary band and album anyways.
Really good list (although I disagree with TRoB heavily, I mean just listen to The Clockhands Groaning Circles again, that's far from atmospheric imo) and an exciting addition to finally put on the tree (at least for now).
Blayne is always a joy to witness and this has been one of my favourites in a while (mostly because I actually know something about it haha).
23:24 That’s hilarious - my wife fell asleep on a bench in the venue when we saw Wolves in the Throne Room in Austin once
Xasthur and Leviathan. Seriously 2 of the most influential atmospheric black metal bands ever. And DARKSPACE! Their music is practically ALL atmosphere!
CALADAN BROOD-ELDAMAR-ETERNAL VALLEY
Eternal Valley is great! I think Midnight Odyssey and Alrakis should also have been honorable mentions.
and Gallowbraid
Wow Caladan Brood are incredible
Hey can someone help me find song at 36:34, it's been 2 years and i can't find it
@@dixcy_parashar Man, what a rabbit hole I went down. Found it though.
FORTERESSE - Wendigo
I am surprised Darkspace was not mentioned. Very influential to the spacey atmospheric ambient black metal scene going on.
Yep, the top 10 most influential bands would have been perfect if you change Winterfylleth with Paysage d'hiver or Darkspace, but mostly Paysage d'hiver because it came out first.
I agree but I love Winterfylleth so i ain't too mad.
noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/mb73j3/cosmic-black-metal-is-as-weird-and-dark-as-it-sounds
I consider Darkspace an updated Limbonic Art :p But I guess they're already in the "symphonic black metal" section
they were argued about a bit in the chat beforehand. To me they fall into this weird ambient bm subcategory, like Midnight Odyssey or Spectral Lore.
46:05
Blayne (taking about Summoning): “…the bands that influence everybody- the biggest bands are the ones that you don’t have to decipher and read three books to get into”
Lord of the Rings trilogy: 👀
Hahaha, gold comment!😂
And not just the trilogy but Silmarillion aswell.
@@pierreogeryd2869glad somebody else thought that was funny. Good point about the Silmarillion too.
Yeah I would say Myrkur is more Blackened Folk-Metal. Not atmospheric at all. She sounds like she was inspired by 80's Dead Can Dance music then added black metal elements to her songs. / Earth & Pillars are a newer ABM group worth checking out. Their label Advantgarde Music releases a lot of good acts IMO.
SUMMONING
I tried to get the guys' attention about Negura Bunget, just couldn't. It is a shame that you haven't included them on the list.
My favourite atmospheric black metal band is probably Woods of Desolation. So beautiful...also Harakiri for the Sky is wonderful
Hvis Lyset Tar Oss was probably the first atmospheric black metal album back in 1992, Bergtatt in 1994 as well.
You need to make an episode in blackened crust... and southern metal, funeral doom, crust punk, crustgrind, pornogrind, Christian metal, pirate metal, a cappella metal, traditional doom metal, epic doom metal, and others. Yes, it’s still a hell of a long way to go.
dude i can get sleep to any kind of metal
Flugmorph Haha, same.
Yeah I fall asleep to metal somewhat regularly without realizing it
but Burzum is one of my favourites of all time.
Same here
My top and it's really hard for me to pick since i got deep into the ABM genre. Violet Cold, Celephais, Lustre, Caladan Brood, Summoning, Panopticon, Druadan Forest, Skyforest, Hermodr, Vvilderness... The music on it's own makes me travel and tells me the story (with or without a vocal)
The fact that Coldworld from Germany didn't get a mention.....OUCH! Its a one man abm band with a lot of ambient influences and guest artists from other sides of music. Coldworld got everything you need in abm! "The stars are dead now" is maybe more a dsbm/abm record (what a thin line tho between those two subgenres). "Melancholie2" is maybe the most atmospheric black metal record ever! And his comeback with "Autumn" is purely insane....one of the most welcrafted pieces of art in music history! We can ignore his latest work because that is pure Ambient....
Before I forget one of my biggest points why Coldworld is the best abm band ever: It still has pure raw black metal as ingredient No°1 😊🤘
Got to have Summoning 🤘🇦🇹🤘
I would 100% make a spot for Caladan Brood here.
In the corner of North East India, there is a Man who play Atmospheric black metal,his name is Maxroyte..from the state of Mizoram, u wont believe it, he was a badass....🇮🇳🤘🏼
For a music themed channel, you would think they could fix the audio for these videos. Either mix the mics better or replace them!
Not a fan of Varg's beliefs, but it still amazes me that those first 5 Burzum releases were recorded in a 14 month period. Other than that, great list!
Hey Guys, thanks, a cool hour with you! But I'll appreciate a list written down and a 2nd part too with bands like Ennoven, Grift, Tardigrada, In the Woods, Paysage D'Hiver, None, Wiegedood, Fuath, Knokkelklang, Nasheim, Downfall of Nur, Turia etc. just some names... All of them are great bands! Thanks!
Imperium Dekadenz very good Atmospheric Black Metal from Germany
I was hesitant to watch this one, based on the pre-polling. There were so many bands suggested and polled about that simply didn't belong. Glad that the episode turned out pretty solid, you guys did a great job, especially Blayne. I would have liked to see Forteresse make the list over The Ruins of Beverast, because while they are a great band, they play Black/Doom, not Atmospheric Black metal. I also couldn't have agreed more with Blayne about Blut Aus Nord and the Memoria Vetusta albums. They definitely belonged, but oh well. You can't win 'em all.
Thanks for watching!
I still love burzum.
lol that summoning logo , as a fan i didnt notice either
Just recently discovered this channel, so far definetly the video with most bands i listen. I knew, my personal favs are quite a bit more atmospheric than normal, but seeing them all in this list... xD
Welcome!
Weakling's Dead as Dreams has been my go-to nap and bedtime record for almost 2 decades.
guys, your mics are at different volumes!
Jeff Barber the mics were really bad.
I fuckn love this dude and this fuckn chanel ! keep fuckn killing it !!!
Some basic points missed: ABM is not only about nature, it more about a 'soundscape' but goes in different envirnoments: it embodies evil/demons (Ruins of Beverast), unknown (Negura Bunget, Paysage D hiver) and horror in space (Darkspace) and a fringe band I personally like (Alrakis) who are less metal but blend metal with space ambient
I think paysage de hiver and dark space are perfect examples of ABM
I love this genre of metal!! Soothing and relaxing to me!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
1.burzum- do i need to describe?
2.xasthur- made very evil sounding yet depressive atmospheric bm
3.leviathan- like xasthur
4. Summoning- once again do i need to explain
Fairly certain this is my favorite metal genre, thanks for doing this for us fans.
Thanks for this episode. Atmospheric black metal has a important meaning in my life, and I'm glad seeing people talking 'bout it
Fen, Spectral Lore, Midnight Odyssey, Austere, Blut Aus Nord, Skyforest, Alcest, Wolves in the Throne Room, Krallice, Panopticon, Agolloch, Mgla
I don't know about Mgla being atmospheric. They got riffs.
Blut Aus Nord is a good band from France...I was in contact with this guy. I believe he did a label velvet creations and a side band called THE EYE
hey folks, you totally forgot about ABRUPTUM !!!
That Summoning clip is Pure Moods 5, Black Metal Edition
Also, surprised to not see Fleurety or In the Woods mentioned. Maybe they'd fit on an avant-garde black metal episode, if we get a season 3, but they could definitely fit here as well. They have the black metal base, the gauzy and hazy atmosphere, and the folk elements.
Blunt-aus-Nord ...Thank you..
I was slightly taken back by the folk direction they went in. When atmosphere black metal spreads among many other areas. So I was glad to see more doomish options, The feeling of the sound creates an atmosphere.
Thantifaxath
World Narcosis
Hundred Year Old Man
Amenra
Altar of Plagues
Chrch
Cosmic Church is perhaps my favorite "new" atmospheric BM band.
Solstifar from Iceland nice...I have an original copy of there first mini-cd I got from a friend I traded with back in the day.
Video starts at 3:30
And where do single-house bands come in? leviathan...etc
I was suprised not to see Wiegedood and MGLA among the newer abm bands.
With the passing of Warrel Dane you guys should do something for him.
Wish I would have seen this then
I would have loudly promoted Stoner Rock and Heavy Psych.
Both of these genres have basically carried hard rock and deserves a wider recognition.
Blayne - I fall asleep to Bongripper records. Sleep. Lots of stoner-doom stuff.
seriously sad I missed this one since I recommended it.
Blut Aus Nord definitely belongs...oozing with atmosphere!
Perfect sleeping music. Like the nature and fantasy themed ones- Elderwind, Caladan Brood, Galdur, etc.
Man, why don't you guys upload the final list ever?
Yesss, the Burzum started this and its voted to be the number One 🤘🏻
Metal has a primitive, powerful, and awesome sound that one could say inherently mimics nature/natural forces. The genre has also long been associated with romanticism (see: Maiden's catalogue). I think the rising popularity of "nature metal" recently has something to do with a (mostly European) sociological phenomenon involving the self-examination of cultural identity meeting with metal's historical themes. In the early 90s a desire to explore cultural identity combined with black metal's anti-Christian themes led to the rise of modern pagan metal (see: Hammerheart). Paganism is obviously closely associated with nature. From here some bands took thing a step further and removed the anthropology and theology from the equation.
Arx Atrata and Germ for epicness... Seems everyone missed them... For me Arx Atrata's album called "Sipiritus in Terra" is a masterpeace and Germ's album "Grief" blew my mind... I can sleep to death with those albums whenever I feel deep down depressed...They are like painkillers for me...
Additionally check Kalmankantaja, Les Discrets (well, a bit different), Lustre, Sojourner, Thy Light and may be Violet Cold...
Something I kept trying to get across in the chat was that we need a distinction between ABM and the more Neofolk-inspired Pagan Metal. While they still use black metal elements and nature atmosphere, bands like Agalloch, Drudkh, and others on this list are more folklore-oriented and should kick off a separate Pagan Metal branch. It only makes sense to put them here if we're calling ABM an umbrella term, with Neofolk/Pagan Metal as a hybrid of ABM and folk metal.
gutsdozer While I'm not sure to what degree I agree with you-I feel like it's less a clear split than a cline, as they call it in biology-but it is an intriguing argument.
but is pagan metal purely folk based atmo bm? Because I wouldn't say so in any way. Pagan metal to me is way more riff and groove based than the others, which rather disqualifies it.