Great tips!! Here is one more. If you forget to stop recording and you land and turn of your drone, chances are you will corrupt your entire SD card. Happened to me twice, so before turning off the drone check your controller and make sure you stopped recording.
I have my Mini 3 Pro ordered and now that I am aware of the battery tab issue I will be paying close attention to them (as I also ordered the fly more kit) From what I am reading is it seems to be more than just an isolated issue and for the price we pay DJI should be covering this problem. I am aware of the "Junk" screwdriver DJI supplies from my first Mavic Mini and have been using one from my Jewelers/gunsmith set. Thanks for the tips.
DJI really either needs to stop including a screwdriver or more importantly, include a decent , correctly sized one with each drone. For what we are paying for the drone, skimping on something as critical as a screwdriver is short sided and just causes unneeded hassle. Nice review and reminder on some often overlooked things to insure great flights Russ!
literally just had to deal this changing blades, bc I had my first crash :/, but i felt so worried when loosening the screws. from the get go i felt that the driver was not the right size for the screw
Hey Russ! (I know this comment is a little long, but please be sure to read the last paragraph.) Great tips! I've owned 6 DJI drones and also work in IT, and I never knew to format my card in the actual device it will be used in. Thanks for that! Here's a tip regarding the battery hub: If you're out flying and don't use all the batteries you charged, use the hub with the fully charged battery/batteries to partially recharge the controller! Keep an eye on them and unplug it when they get down to 2 solid lights and one blinking. This will pull the batteries down to a suitable state of charge for storing them. Don't forget to finish charging the controller. Russ, here's a tip you might want to share with your followers, maybe in a "short" or something: I just did the latest update to the Mini 3 Pro and then drove an hour to a location I wanted some good photos of. After doing the update, I went through and double checked all my settings (I thought). I didn't see any that had changed. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I went out and got some great winter shots of an area I'm wanting to do a 4-seasons series for. There was plenty of snow and the sun was out. I got some great shots. When I got home and went to dump them onto my "working drive", I discovered that my photo format had changed from JPG/RAW to just JPG. This isn't the end of the world, but I was pretty disappointed. I almost always process my photos in post. Thanks again for all your great content!
@@CameronMaser yes, they still do, but over a period of (I believe) up to 10 days. I'm not sure if being fully charged for this long multiple times has a negative effect, or not. I also bought the new "YMCA" (so called for its logo) charger that charges up to 4 batteries at the same time. It has a cool new feature where you can move a switch to a 60% setting that only charges your dead batteries up to 60% for storage. It will not discharge batteries that are above 60%, however.
By DJI design, my M3P generates a greater amount of operational heat than my Mini2. It is this heat that "softened" the (small) battery retainer tabs, which did NOT "rebound" after battery removal. Since then, placing a small bench fan in front of the M3P (sitting on a 3D-printed stand) has completely dissipated the heat problem as a primary factor. The unintended consequence of cooling the M3P is a safe Win/Win outcome for all updates and benchwork !
Controller recordings... We are all different but.... As a private pilot I used to review the flight again, from the memory. Some day it was experiencing the joy again, other days less good happenings were thought through. Doing the same for drone flights fells natural. Criticize myself, if/when needed. Plastic is plastic and it gets old one way or the other and cracks "one day". Thanks for the warning regarding the standard batteries. Oops, poor screw driver. I'll check it on the spot. A good set of screw drivers is at hand. Thanks! Trying a watchmakers bits the screw driver supplied seam to be the best! Remember to keep it pressed down all the time. How to send more thumbs up? Great video!
I think it’s the area where you press on the card. The little finger tag vs closer to where the tab connects is the issue. Remolded a tab and measured how far up on the tab you press causes different stress on the flex point. Get them to send a zoomed in pic of the broken battery tab, that will tell a lot. Thanks for all the tips.
Regarding the charge cradle, after flying, I put each discharged batteries in the cradle in preparation for charging in the field. That's an easy way to keep track which batteries need charged, since these DJI batteries don't have the charge status button on each battery. Then, if I need to charge my phone or controller, there's usually enough power left in my discharged battery for recharging phones or controller, especially if your in the habit of landing at 20 or 25% charge. Using that leftover power can be handy, without discharging a 100% battery, so you can use all 100% batteries for flight power, and get maximum flight time.
Will be getting my mini 3 pro tomorrow after owning the original mini mavic. Your videos are very helpful. Thankyou! Knowing the good and the bad issues ahead of time will make flying safer.
Thanks Russ. ‘Formatting’ EACH flight is something..ANOTHER thing that I have never ever considered. Makes a lot of sense. That being said, as of yet..I haven’t seen ANYTHING on my SD card that I’ve recorded while flying. No editing, etc., JUST flying and recording some flights directly TO either the card or internal storage. Hope I’m understanding what it is you’re saying..
In regards to using the battery charger with batteries in it to charge other devices, there is something to be aware of. Batteries have a certain number of cycle times for recharging and drone batteries are not the cheapest, so I don't know that I would use them for anything other than the drones or for a one off thing where there isn't a better option.
Right, I would only use drone batteries as a power bank if it was an emergency. Otherwise just carry an inexpensive power bank that won’t cost much to replace.
The Klein screwdriver is excellent. But just be aware that the large size of the handle can allow you to over torque small screws, either twisting them in two or in messing with the female threads in the hub. That handle provides you with significant mechanical advantage.
I have the smaller version of the Klein and love the gray pivot on the end of the handle. it allows pressure straight down on the screw, thus lowering any chance it might pop out of the screw head if one has to apply a little extra downward force. Stripped out two heads from original Mini 3 Pro with the fake gray phillip head stick (won't even refer to it as a tool) Great advice and will be checking my battery tabs!
I'm going to look around for a small one of the correct size that will fit in my drone case. I'll most likely need it in the field, but hopefully not at all. :)
I haven't had to replace the props on mine yet. I think I will use a torque screw driver where you can set the torque. Any idea how many Nm? Of course they are too bulky to keep in the carry case so maybe a decent quality compact one (something the same size as the one DJI gives) would be good to get to keep in the carry case for field use as well.
9:01 when i had a homebuilt drone with the naza board (dji brand flight controller), i was reccomended to calibrate imu if you havent flown in a long time, or you move the drone a long way.. like on vacation trips.. as for screws, if they are very soft etc, i would be reeeeaaaally careful when screwing em in again.. its very easy to missalign the threads and having it either fudge up the screw or the threads on the motor in this case.. especially in smaller screws/threads..
Both my Mini 3 Plus batteries have cracked. These batteries were purchased in the fly more kit July 2022. Returned one in November 2022 to DJI hoping for a replacement since the batteries have a 6 month warranty. No luck on a replacement from DJI. Just full price on a new battery. I was eventually able to get a discount on a new battery. Since that time the second one has cracked. I did think it was me. Maybe pressing too hard. Thanks for the video.
I used to screen record every drone flight that I made, but I found that RC controller didn’t have enough memory to support some of the more advanced functions, like Active Track and Master Shots. I found that the tracking wasn’t as smooth when screen recording was on. Perhaps, that was a bug that was present when they introduced these features, and it is not there now. I don’t know.
The screws used with the DJI drones are JIS, Japanese Industrial Standard, and not Phillips screws. The difference is just enough (look it up) to make Phillips head screwdrivers not fit quite right, but JIS screwdrivers will fit a Phillips screw just fine. DJI will tell you P0 is the recommended size for your JIS blade screws, and the best screwdriver for that in my opinion is the Vessel 910 P0 x75. Perfect fit and magnetized to hold those tiny screws onto the screwdriver tip. Handle is just right for the torque value and the 3" blade (6" overall) gets you in close for control. It's pricey, but worth it.
They have a 6-piece precision screwdriver set that includes 0 through 0000. They're not magnetic and I'm not sure whether they're ferrous enough to magnetize, but it's a good value and the perfect kind of grip and shaft length for dealing with small screws like this. You can find them doing a search on "TD-56S Vessel JIS".
Try to avoid using your battery bank as a powerbank. You reduce the cycle life of the batteries which are pretty expensive as compared to cheap powerbanks. It's great that you can do it "in a pinch" but you shouldn't get into the habit of doing it unless you just don't care about money and useful life of things.
Nice job Russ, thank you. Re the lock-tab cracking. I suspect this could be due to an issue with the injection moulding machine that produces the battery case, causing the plastic not flowing into the mould as it should, or at the right temperature. The flow of plastic when it is injected into a mould often meets itself coming from a different direction, particularly in intricate designs. If the conditions for injection are not quite right, the temperature of the plastic or the mould being one of them, then these may only partially mix and bond at the meeting point (in this instance, at the hinge-point of the locking tab) causing a weakness even though it may look visually OK. This problem can be temporary and fixed my making adjustments to the machine, in which case would account for why not all lock tabs are failing. Just a thought.
Was going to make a similar comment, having worked at a plastics manufacturing facility. There were many occasions we had to toss parts due to something being "off" either with the machinery or with the raw material. The design of these tabs obviously demand a higher tolerance rate than the manufacturer is providing.
Russ.... Thank you for another great video! The SD card issue can be solved by just simply keeping your SD cards in your devices. New device = New SD card every time! That batter tab issue is highly concerning! Maybe it was a bad batch of plastics. It could vary from when it was made to. Or maybe QC didn't do their job properly. 🤔 I can only comment or speculate.
There are a couple of drawbacks to leaving the SD card in the drone when copying files from there to a computer. It's two to three times faster copying them off a USB 3 card reader vs directly from the drone. The drone needs to be turned on when you're doing the copying which wastes battery charge and the Mini 3 gets very warm when it's left on and not moving. That's not good for the drone. I've been pulling SD cards out of drones and Gopro's to dump the data for years and had very few issues. It does require paying attention to what you're doing and not mixing up cards. But, that's just me. 🙂
@@daryllarsen8858 That's what I was meaning.... pull it out, use the SD card reader on your laptop then put the SD card back in your drone so you know where it is at all times and you never forget it! 😅
@@newamericatowguy3633 Ahhh. Yes that's exactly what I do. Sometimes I'll have used three or four cameras/drones in an outing and when I get back, I pull the sd cards out one at time, dump the data, then put them back before moving to the next one. Habits I developed years ago after forgetting sd cards and/or mixing them up a few times. 🙂
Beaut video Russ, well done mate. My Mavic Mini was playing silly buggers turning in the air from side to side, so I did what you said and redid the IMU and it solved the problem. Love watching your videos here in Australia.
The reason you want to format in your drone is because your drone is creating specific folders and a partition structure and using whichever file system it uses, whereas most utilities will format with a different file system like FAT32, that used to be the most interoperable one, but almost nothing uses it any longer. In theory you could format it with your computer, if the utility you use does the same thing the drone software utility does in terms of the file system, if using the right FS and partitions then any folders it needs should be able to be created by the drone software. But you may as well format in the drone, why not?
I have 1 249 and 4 large batteries, so far so good but I do look at them every time I use each because I was aware many were having issues and dji won't replace them- now a known defect. I pinch the two tabs lightly with my thumb and middle finger leaving my index finger bent between them and centered, then I extend my index finger which levers the battery out without stressing the tabs. Lets face it, the plastic is super thin for weight and definitely not expected to last for ever.
Really, DJI is not replacing a bad batch of batteries? 😭 I'm experiencing this with two of my batteries, so disappointing since I take very good care of my drone. 😔 I just tend not to check on the other stuff.
Nice video, thanks for sharing, one note about the SD card format; is recommended to do it in the drone because the pc can format in several types (NTFS, FAT32, exFAT32) but the drone understand exFAT32 only
I watched this video to learn about the mini 3 pro I will be helping a friend that’s getting one, I have the mavic air 2 and very satisfied , I have found anytime you take off if your drone moves from side to side you need to calibrate the IMU, I do this anytime the drone seems like it acts strange 👍
Glad to have found your video again @51Drones I just had a battery tab crack and it wasn't the 249g battery. It was the plus battery. I contacted DJI and I'm going to send just the battery back to them to hopefully get it replaced as my battery only has 10 cycles on it. I am also hearing this happening to a lot more people. If it continues DJI should replace the locking tabs with a better model. I think it's a defect in the plastic with fatigue cracks. Try shoving the battery in really hard and see if that makes a difference. You know like if you were to make sure it locks in.
Thanks for the great video Russ. I have the Mini 3 Pro and the Mini 3 with 4 regular and 2 “plus” batteries and I haven’t noticed any cracks like you mentioned yet. Thanks for the heads up on it though.
How's the mini 3? There's a 500 dollar difference between the base 3 and the pro version in Canada right now. The pro looks like a really good drone but I can grab the mini 3 with RC remote, flymore kit and put on two years of dji refresh for less than the price of the Pro with RC. Even so I'm still going back and fourth between the two models 😅
@@Lithium023 it’s basically the same drone and camera as the Mini 3 Pro. You just need to be comfortable knowing you don’t have obstacle avoidance and Master Shots and a few other things.
After your comment about the Phillips screwdriver, I started looking around at what I had. I tried a screwdriver that comes with some glasses and sunglasses. It is a small keychain type with a flathead on one end and a Phillips on the other end . It seems to be a good fit . I was able to unscrew and tighten the propeller screws.
Been experiencing some cracking on the body, no crashes. My thought is that the case is so thin to save weight, that it simply break on normal stresses.
Don't bother shipping the broken batteries to DJI to have them replaced or fixed. Here is what they sent me. Joe （DJI Support） 2023/2/10 GMT+8 22:15 Dear Dean,
Thank you for getting back to us. Sorry for the inconvenience very much.
Sorry, we do not cover batteries with external damage, like a battery clip broken.
Considering that you are our loyal customer, If you don't mind, I'll help you apply for a 20% repair discount.
We hope this information is helpful. If there's anything else we can assist you with, please do not hesitate to let us know. Thank you for choosing DJI. Best Regards, Joe Note I only got offered the 20% off because I complained. The cost to fix is the same to purchase it new. So I told them to just ship it back to me and then they offered me a 20% off... HAHA not at all impressed with DJI customer support at all. I also purchased the 2 year fly away and it doesn't cover batteries apparently...
Thank you, this was one of your more informative videos. I learded something with each subject that you covered. Outstanding work, it is much apperciated.
Have 3 batts, two of them extended range ones, they both lost a tab. Think it happened when packed in the charger and in a bag. That lack of movement somehow can make them crack if something pushes on them maybe. They still fit secure with 1 tab.
Hi Russ, regarding the battery locking tabs, I have 3 batteries, one came with the drone and two with the fly-more kit; one battery developed the issue, I thought unlucky, then another went; I numbered the batteries and from this I believe that the two with the fly-more had the issue, the one that came with the mini 3 Pro seems fine. I contacted dji when the first one went and they suggested I would need to pay a service charge that was more than the battery cost, so I bought another. So, seems like a certain batch to me? Thanks for the video and alerting me to the issue, which has given me more confidence to approach my retailer regarding replacements 👍
Concerning the batteries: a couple of days ago I noticed the lack of the “click” when installing the battery into the drone. Upon inspection I noticed that one tab had become very flimsy and there was a crack in it. That battery (249gram) would not stay seated. I checked all of my other batteries and noticed that one extended range lacked the click but would not easily slide out of the battery compartment in the drone. I’m wondering if this is a warranty issue? The batteries still hold charge, but you run the risk of it losing power while flying.
Yes the cracked tabs are a warranty issue but do not try to fix the tabs with glue. DJI will not provide warranty service for batteries that have been “altered”. I read it on the DJI forum.
Last update about the DJI support drama with my two batteries with broken clips whiting 15 times of use for the DJI Mini 3 Pro. DJI Europe considers it as cosmetic damage and will not repair or replace these batteries! Today I received the broken batteries back. My only option is to keep using this batteries with broken clips until the drone crashes because of this. After that I can send the damaged crashed drone in under the DJI care refresh conditions. I think everyone will understand that this is my first and last DJI drone ever!
@sjoerdvandermeer8979 hey, same here. And this is worse because I'm located in Central America so they do not have my back on this, and the retailer that sold me the whole equipment they say it's not their fault so they will not cover my back either. This is so disappointing, for the cost of these DJI things, the last time I wanna know crap about these products. Worst experience ever.
@@mdleongt I know. I did promised them to write bad reviews about DJI and warn as many people as i can for this very bad service of DJI. I recommend everyone not to buy any product from DJI because you can't expect any service, even it is a warranty case! They don't care of their customers at all. But I have a DJI Care Refresh plan and i think my drone will crash very soon unrecoverable with one of these batteries and I will make use of the free replacement service to get a new drone and battery. DJI does not care.
Have had cracks in the tabs of both the 249gm battery and the plus battery, disappointing as I've not used my M3P that much in the 8-9 months I've had it. I looked into what would be involved in returning 3 batteries and opted to repair with superglue, keep a close eye on them and replace if they deteriorate further. They are locking into the drone ok and always ensure they're secure before flying. So far, so good. But yep, there's bunch out there that are flawed for sure. To be honest, I love the features of my M3P, but it's had a bunch more glitches and hassles than my good old safe and reliable Mini2.
Thanks for the video Russ. I don't have any crack batteries to report I went and checked it right after I saw you said that. But I agree with what you said it's probably a bad batch maybe the plastic mixture wasn't right or something. Also I ordered the screwdriver. Working on computers and other electronics I need a better screwdriver set than this mini set and the one at DJI gives you kind of just makes things harder because not being the correct size just strips then what and you got to get a new and do a lot more stuff. Again thank you for all your videos.
Russ. Awesome channel and info you share. This stuff about these screws is crazy. Interesting they put locktite blue on them. Is it known for these to come loose over time / use? Using such loctite on such a small thread that needs to be serviced occasionally would require added torque thus causing heads to get stripped. Probably applying a bit of heat to the driver used to remove them a few seconds before turning them out would ease the process.
If you charge from the USB A of the battery pack, will it pull from just one battery, or from all three? I suppose you could pull 2 of the batteries to keep them fully charged. Blu Tack will work to keep a screw on the screwdriver to keep from losing them, or to stick it thru the prop to attach. (Others have said that the screws don't stick to magnetic, however, I have not tried it yet.) SD cards of any size are not that expensive anymore. I have two drones and a Go Pro, and I keep two 64 GB cards in all three of my cases. I do use 128GB in my drones and camera but still download the new content every chance I get just to insure I don't lose a lot of data.
👍. Great video. What’s the make and model of the screwdriver you talked about in your video? I just changed out two propellers and that mini screw driver that came with the Mini 3 Pro stinks. One last question, does the screw need to be flush with propeller in order to be installed correctly? I had to put a lot of torque on the screw in order for it to tighten down and get it flush. Thanks!
He has a link in the description for the screwdriver. The screws need to be seated, flush with the propellers. Yes, the Dji screwdriver stinks, but it works.
Good idea. I think a Vlogger friend must have done this as he lost his Drone. He sent information to the manufacturer and they deemed the drone had a fault so sent him a brand new one
I had this battery "crack" problem using the standard battery after charing it 16 times in the external charger from the fly more kit. both clips are completely broken of the battery. The two other batteries are still fine but i don't trust this clip system anymore. Sometimes the won't "click" at all and i have to double check after changing battery's.
I have a DJI Mini 3 Pro with the FLy More kit that I purchased in the beginning of February 2023. Both XL batteries have cracked tabs (all tabs) and one has completely broken off. I am a very casual flyer and these things have neve been crashed, abuse or seen any temperature extremes. VERY DISAPPOINTED in DJI. The cracks are very visible. Strangely, the regular 249g battery does not have any cracks.
They probably crack because the drone gets super hot, no fan inside. These batteries, have a higher capacity and get more hotter than the regular ones do, plus thin plastic is not a good recipe.
So you say we should screen record to get flight telemetry mostly along with the video from the FPV ? The RC will record a 1920 x 1080 resolution cashed video file automatically when your recording but will not have any telemetry on it.
I've formatted my cards in my Nikon D500, and on my PC. Zero issues with compatibility on the mini 3 pro. Sure, it's possible to format in a way that the drone won't recognize, but if you read the drone manual and understand how it stores data, this is not really an issue (and i never changed any default setting). I'm an IT nerd, though, so maybe it seems simple to me. But OMG, I did need to replace the props after a tree "close approach". The damn DJI screwdriver stripped the first screw in an instant! Not fun. Side sensors are turned OFF during master shots- ike orbit!
Thanks for the video great info, I had an issue with the tabs cracking on both sides on the original battery supplied with the mini 3 pro, a battery a little over 60 days old, and being summer in Aust, it’s not the cold Sent it back to DJI, who have been brilliant and are replacing it.
I crashed my DJI FPV on my very first flight of my very first done ever. I took off, got to an altitude of about 50 feet and was unable to move forward. Forward right stick made the UA tilt forward, but it felt like I was trying to move into super heavy wind. I also couldn't descend unless I was also moving backwards. It took me about 15 minutes to try and maneuver it down to the ground and it eventually crashed from about 15 feet of altitude a few streets away in my neighborhood. After quite a bit of troubleshooting, it appears a mis calibrated IMU was the culprit.
Hi Russ, I have issues only with my extended flight batteries, one of them only has 7 flights and the other 9x . On one of the batteries the clip completely broke right at the point where it flexes the other is hanging on by a threat. Both batteries are form the same batch only one digit apart in serial number so clearly a batch issue. Reason for my observation is the fact that my regular battery has absolutely no problem. I am traveling but the moment I am back in the USA I will get this fixed with DJI. Thanks for asking by the way because DJI has a issue. The peek material probably has some impurities.
yes I have a set of 3 are about to break, I tood only one now just notice all are about to come apart, DJI here I come thanks, but them did need this...
My Mavic 2 Pro always needs the compass calibration if I'm more than 20-30 miles from the last launch location. Very sensitive to magnetic interference also. The Mini 3 Pro seems more tolerant to those events. Adding the landing gear from StartRC lets me launch from concrete surfaces, where it would otherwise get a magnetic interference msg.
I had that issue today my drone basically fell out of the air at over 300ft. Luckily it was over snow took an hour to find it was buried in the snow. Screen recorded it but was of no help as the video just froze after recovering the drone sd card was ok but just showed video frozen at end no falling no landing. Like it just lost power. Checked the battery and those side insert you press on battery was sunken in and doesn't click so I think it got loose and lost contact and just feel now I have a forward and backward sensor error message when u start it up
Screen recording question,if I screen record I will have low resolution playback on my Rc screen ,if I take out the Sd card from the Rc controller and install it on my Pc will I have the original resolution that I have taken? Thanks also for all your other useful tips++++
i think the battery break thing depends where you are pressing , if its close to the connection point ,and with more press on that spot it might break , this is probably the only reason , and maybe I'm wrong .
No cracks on any of my batteries, and I'll pick that Klein screwdriver up for sure! I had no idea the charger could be used as a power bank. I seen the output port and the "power" button on it, but never put the two together. Thanks Russ, great tips!
Great tips!! Here is one more. If you forget to stop recording and you land and turn of your drone, chances are you will corrupt your entire SD card. Happened to me twice, so before turning off the drone check your controller and make sure you stopped recording.
I have 4 batteries. 2 of my extended and 1 regular battery is cracked. Thought it was just me this happened to. Thank you for raising awareness.
I have my Mini 3 Pro ordered and now that I am aware of the battery tab issue I will be paying close attention to them (as I also ordered the fly more kit) From what I am reading is it seems to be more than just an isolated issue and for the price we pay DJI should be covering this problem.
I am aware of the "Junk" screwdriver DJI supplies from my first Mavic Mini and have been using one from my Jewelers/gunsmith set. Thanks for the tips.
DJI really either needs to stop including a screwdriver or more importantly, include a decent , correctly sized one with each drone. For what we are paying for the drone, skimping on something as critical as a screwdriver is short sided and just causes unneeded hassle. Nice review and reminder on some often overlooked things to insure great flights Russ!
even if they passed on the cost of $10 or whatever, i dont think anyone would care if they are already paying this much
literally just had to deal this changing blades, bc I had my first crash :/, but i felt so worried when loosening the screws. from the get go i felt that the driver was not the right size for the screw
Hey Russ! (I know this comment is a little long, but please be sure to read the last paragraph.)
Great tips! I've owned 6 DJI drones and also work in IT, and I never knew to format my card in the actual device it will be used in. Thanks for that!
Here's a tip regarding the battery hub: If you're out flying and don't use all the batteries you charged, use the hub with the fully charged battery/batteries to partially recharge the controller! Keep an eye on them and unplug it when they get down to 2 solid lights and one blinking. This will pull the batteries down to a suitable state of charge for storing them. Don't forget to finish charging the controller.
Russ, here's a tip you might want to share with your followers, maybe in a "short" or something: I just did the latest update to the Mini 3 Pro and then drove an hour to a location I wanted some good photos of. After doing the update, I went through and double checked all my settings (I thought). I didn't see any that had changed. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I went out and got some great winter shots of an area I'm wanting to do a 4-seasons series for. There was plenty of snow and the sun was out. I got some great shots. When I got home and went to dump them onto my "working drive", I discovered that my photo format had changed from JPG/RAW to just JPG. This isn't the end of the world, but I was pretty disappointed. I almost always process my photos in post.
Thanks again for all your great content!
These batteries don't self-discharge after a set time?
@@CameronMaser yes, they still do, but over a period of (I believe) up to 10 days. I'm not sure if being fully charged for this long multiple times has a negative effect, or not.
I also bought the new "YMCA" (so called for its logo) charger that charges up to 4 batteries at the same time. It has a cool new feature where you can move a switch to a 60% setting that only charges your dead batteries up to 60% for storage. It will not discharge batteries that are above 60%, however.
By DJI design, my M3P generates a greater amount of operational heat than my Mini2. It is this heat that "softened" the (small) battery retainer tabs, which did NOT "rebound" after battery removal. Since then, placing a small bench fan in front of the M3P (sitting on a 3D-printed stand) has completely dissipated the heat problem as a primary factor. The unintended consequence of cooling the M3P is a safe Win/Win outcome for all updates and benchwork !
Controller recordings...
We are all different but.... As a private pilot I used to review the flight again, from the memory. Some day it was experiencing the joy again, other days less good happenings were thought through.
Doing the same for drone flights fells natural. Criticize myself, if/when needed.
Plastic is plastic and it gets old one way or the other and cracks "one day". Thanks for the warning regarding the standard batteries.
Oops, poor screw driver. I'll check it on the spot. A good set of screw drivers is at hand. Thanks!
Trying a watchmakers bits the screw driver supplied seam to be the best! Remember to keep it pressed down all the time.
How to send more thumbs up? Great video!
Great video! Carrying extra batteries is a smart move for ensuring your devices stay powered up wherever you go. It's always good to be prepared!
I think it’s the area where you press on the card. The little finger tag vs closer to where the tab connects is the issue. Remolded a tab and measured how far up on the tab you press causes different stress on the flex point. Get them to send a zoomed in pic of the broken battery tab, that will tell a lot. Thanks for all the tips.
Regarding the charge cradle, after flying, I put each discharged batteries in the cradle in preparation for charging in the field. That's an easy way to keep track which batteries need charged, since these DJI batteries don't have the charge status button on each battery. Then, if I need to charge my phone or controller, there's usually enough power left in my discharged battery for recharging phones or controller, especially if your in the habit of landing at 20 or 25% charge. Using that leftover power can be handy, without discharging a 100% battery, so you can use all 100% batteries for flight power, and get maximum flight time.
Will be getting my mini 3 pro tomorrow after owning the original mini mavic. Your videos are very helpful. Thankyou! Knowing the good and the bad issues ahead of time will make flying safer.
Thanks Russ. ‘Formatting’ EACH flight is something..ANOTHER thing that I have never ever considered. Makes a lot of sense. That being said, as of yet..I haven’t seen ANYTHING on my SD card that I’ve recorded while flying. No editing, etc., JUST flying and recording some flights directly TO either the card or internal storage. Hope I’m understanding what it is you’re saying..
In regards to using the battery charger with batteries in it to charge other devices, there is something to be aware of. Batteries have a certain number of cycle times for recharging and drone batteries are not the cheapest, so I don't know that I would use them for anything other than the drones or for a one off thing where there isn't a better option.
Right, I would only use drone batteries as a power bank if it was an emergency. Otherwise just carry an inexpensive power bank that won’t cost much to replace.
The Klein screwdriver is excellent. But just be aware that the large size of the handle can allow you to over torque small screws, either twisting them in two or in messing with the female threads in the hub. That handle provides you with significant mechanical advantage.
I have the smaller version of the Klein and love the gray pivot on the end of the handle. it allows pressure straight down on the screw, thus lowering any chance it might pop out of the screw head if one has to apply a little extra downward force.
Stripped out two heads from original Mini 3 Pro with the fake gray phillip head stick (won't even refer to it as a tool)
Great advice and will be checking my battery tabs!
Good point
Yep, I was thinking the same thing.
I'm going to look around for a small one of the correct size that will fit in my drone case. I'll most likely need it in the field, but hopefully not at all. :)
I haven't had to replace the props on mine yet. I think I will use a torque screw driver where you can set the torque. Any idea how many Nm? Of course they are too bulky to keep in the carry case so maybe a decent quality compact one (something the same size as the one DJI gives) would be good to get to keep in the carry case for field use as well.
9:01 when i had a homebuilt drone with the naza board (dji brand flight controller), i was reccomended to calibrate imu if you havent flown in a long time, or you move the drone a long way.. like on vacation trips.. as for screws, if they are very soft etc, i would be reeeeaaaally careful when screwing em in again.. its very easy to missalign the threads and having it either fudge up the screw or the threads on the motor in this case.. especially in smaller screws/threads..
Both my Mini 3 Plus batteries have cracked. These batteries were purchased in the fly more kit July 2022. Returned one in November 2022 to DJI hoping for a replacement since the batteries have a 6 month warranty. No luck on a replacement from DJI. Just full price on a new battery. I was eventually able to get a discount on a new battery. Since that time the second one has cracked. I did think it was me. Maybe pressing too hard. Thanks for the video.
Hmmm. I think it’s just a certain batch.
I used to screen record every drone flight that I made, but I found that RC controller didn’t have enough memory to support some of the more advanced functions, like Active Track and Master Shots. I found that the tracking wasn’t as smooth when screen recording was on. Perhaps, that was a bug that was present when they introduced these features, and it is not there now. I don’t know.
The screws used with the DJI drones are JIS, Japanese Industrial Standard, and not Phillips screws. The difference is just enough (look it up) to make Phillips head screwdrivers not fit quite right, but JIS screwdrivers will fit a Phillips screw just fine. DJI will tell you P0 is the recommended size for your JIS blade screws, and the best screwdriver for that in my opinion is the Vessel 910 P0 x75. Perfect fit and magnetized to hold those tiny screws onto the screwdriver tip. Handle is just right for the torque value and the 3" blade (6" overall) gets you in close for control. It's pricey, but worth it.
They have a 6-piece precision screwdriver set that includes 0 through 0000. They're not magnetic and I'm not sure whether they're ferrous enough to magnetize, but it's a good value and the perfect kind of grip and shaft length for dealing with small screws like this. You can find them doing a search on "TD-56S Vessel JIS".
I just got this done yesterday, and I am glad I watched your video because I had given up on my IMU calibration when it reached 95%.
Try to avoid using your battery bank as a powerbank. You reduce the cycle life of the batteries which are pretty expensive as compared to cheap powerbanks. It's great that you can do it "in a pinch" but you shouldn't get into the habit of doing it unless you just don't care about money and useful life of things.
Nice job Russ, thank you. Re the lock-tab cracking. I suspect this could be due to an issue with the injection moulding machine that produces the battery case, causing the plastic not flowing into the mould as it should, or at the right temperature. The flow of plastic when it is injected into a mould often meets itself coming from a different direction, particularly in intricate designs. If the conditions for injection are not quite right, the temperature of the plastic or the mould being one of them, then these may only partially mix and bond at the meeting point (in this instance, at the hinge-point of the locking tab) causing a weakness even though it may look visually OK. This problem can be temporary and fixed my making adjustments to the machine, in which case would account for why not all lock tabs are failing. Just a thought.
Wow, interesting fact here! 💯 knowing this and also knowing DJI is not replacing or giving a solution to it is making things worse. 😭
Was going to make a similar comment, having worked at a plastics manufacturing facility. There were many occasions we had to toss parts due to something being "off" either with the machinery or with the raw material. The design of these tabs obviously demand a higher tolerance rate than the manufacturer is providing.
Great video. I got clearance from the wifey to upgrade to an M3P. I appreciate this video a lot.
Russ.... Thank you for another great video! The SD card issue can be solved by just simply keeping your SD cards in your devices. New device = New SD card every time! That batter tab issue is highly concerning! Maybe it was a bad batch of plastics. It could vary from when it was made to. Or maybe QC didn't do their job properly. 🤔 I can only comment or speculate.
There are a couple of drawbacks to leaving the SD card in the drone when copying files from there to a computer. It's two to three times faster copying them off a USB 3 card reader vs directly from the drone. The drone needs to be turned on when you're doing the copying which wastes battery charge and the Mini 3 gets very warm when it's left on and not moving. That's not good for the drone. I've been pulling SD cards out of drones and Gopro's to dump the data for years and had very few issues. It does require paying attention to what you're doing and not mixing up cards. But, that's just me. 🙂
@@daryllarsen8858 That's what I was meaning.... pull it out, use the SD card reader on your laptop then put the SD card back in your drone so you know where it is at all times and you never forget it! 😅
@@newamericatowguy3633 Ahhh. Yes that's exactly what I do. Sometimes I'll have used three or four cameras/drones in an outing and when I get back, I pull the sd cards out one at time, dump the data, then put them back before moving to the next one. Habits I developed years ago after forgetting sd cards and/or mixing them up a few times. 🙂
Beaut video Russ, well done mate. My Mavic Mini was playing silly buggers turning in the air from side to side, so I did what you said and redid the IMU and it solved the problem. Love watching your videos here in Australia.
getting mine next week!!!!!! 😍
The reason you want to format in your drone is because your drone is creating specific folders and a partition structure and using whichever file system it uses, whereas most utilities will format with a different file system like FAT32, that used to be the most interoperable one, but almost nothing uses it any longer. In theory you could format it with your computer, if the utility you use does the same thing the drone software utility does in terms of the file system, if using the right FS and partitions then any folders it needs should be able to be created by the drone software. But you may as well format in the drone, why not?
I have 1 249 and 4 large batteries, so far so good but I do look at them every time I use each because I was aware many were having issues and dji won't replace them- now a known defect. I pinch the two tabs lightly with my thumb and middle finger leaving my index finger bent between them and centered, then I extend my index finger which levers the battery out without stressing the tabs. Lets face it, the plastic is super thin for weight and definitely not expected to last for ever.
Really, DJI is not replacing a bad batch of batteries? 😭 I'm experiencing this with two of my batteries, so disappointing since I take very good care of my drone. 😔 I just tend not to check on the other stuff.
@@mdleongt I'm not sure if the plastic is fiber reinforced but they should alter it to that type or customers will tire of the product.
@@flightographist definitely. For the price we pay, those things should be better quality. How come this never happened with previous mini versions?
Nice tips Russ...Best tip is definitely formatting in the drone itself.
Nice video, thanks for sharing, one note about the SD card format; is recommended to do it in the drone because the pc can format in several types (NTFS, FAT32, exFAT32) but the drone understand exFAT32 only
He did said that
Good tips, be careful with tool size selection a larger screwdriver/handle will deliver more torque to the screw with less force from your hands.
Its a good idea. Now i put always the screen Record. Thank you
I watched this video to learn about the mini 3 pro I will be helping a friend that’s getting one, I have the mavic air 2 and very satisfied , I have found anytime you take off if your drone moves from side to side you need to calibrate the IMU, I do this anytime the drone seems like it acts strange 👍
Glad to have found your video again @51Drones I just had a battery tab crack and it wasn't the 249g battery. It was the plus battery. I contacted DJI and I'm going to send just the battery back to them to hopefully get it replaced as my battery only has 10 cycles on it. I am also hearing this happening to a lot more people. If it continues DJI should replace the locking tabs with a better model. I think it's a defect in the plastic with fatigue cracks. Try shoving the battery in really hard and see if that makes a difference. You know like if you were to make sure it locks in.
Great video again... I have tested my batteries and no problems for me ....
Great tip on the 000 - thanks chap 😁
Thanks for this helpful collection of tips. Much appreciated!
Great tips Russ. I see how to format the SD card under settings in the drone, but what about formatting the SD card in the controller. Thanks!!!
I have the formatting question.
Thanks for the great video Russ. I have the Mini 3 Pro and the Mini 3 with 4 regular and 2 “plus” batteries and I haven’t noticed any cracks like you mentioned yet. Thanks for the heads up on it though.
How's the mini 3? There's a 500 dollar difference between the base 3 and the pro version in Canada right now. The pro looks like a really good drone but I can grab the mini 3 with RC remote, flymore kit and put on two years of dji refresh for less than the price of the Pro with RC. Even so I'm still going back and fourth between the two models 😅
@@Lithium023 it’s basically the same drone and camera as the Mini 3 Pro. You just need to be comfortable knowing you don’t have obstacle avoidance and Master Shots and a few other things.
No issues here with my batteries! Great video Russ
Thanks Paul!
Yes one battery both tabs, my other 2 are fine, since noticing I press as little as possible in order to insert or remove.
I would also recommend blue locktight on the new screws when installing them. Great video with some good info, Thank You!
If you use original Dji props they come with new screws that already have blue loctite on them.
New screws that come with the propellers already have a dry thread lock applied.
New screws already come with locktite on them but thanks
@@vidademikey9790 I am so glad you mentioned it, we would have never known without you having said that!
@@disgruntledegghead6923 you're welcome, kiddo.
After your comment about the Phillips screwdriver, I started looking around at what I had. I tried a screwdriver that comes with some glasses and sunglasses. It is a small keychain type with a flathead on one end and a Phillips on the other end . It seems to be a good fit . I was able to unscrew and tighten the propeller screws.
very helpfull video.tnx
Been experiencing some cracking on the body, no crashes. My thought is that the case is so thin to save weight, that it simply break on normal stresses.
Don't bother shipping the broken batteries to DJI to have them replaced or fixed. Here is what they sent me.
Joe （DJI Support）
2023/2/10 GMT+8 22:15
Dear Dean,
Thank you for getting back to us. Sorry for the inconvenience very much.
Sorry, we do not cover batteries with external damage, like a battery clip broken.
Considering that you are our loyal customer, If you don't mind, I'll help you apply for a 20% repair discount.
We hope this information is helpful. If there's anything else we can assist you with, please do not hesitate to let us know.
Thank you for choosing DJI.
Best Regards,
Joe
Note I only got offered the 20% off because I complained. The cost to fix is the same to purchase it new. So I told them to just ship it back to me and then they offered me a 20% off... HAHA not at all impressed with DJI customer support at all. I also purchased the 2 year fly away and it doesn't cover batteries apparently...
For the price we paid on these things, this is so disappointing. Terrible situation.
Thank you, this was one of your more informative videos. I learded something with each subject that you covered. Outstanding work, it is much apperciated.
Have 3 batts, two of them extended range ones, they both lost a tab. Think it happened when packed in the charger and in a bag. That lack of movement somehow can make them crack if something pushes on them maybe. They still fit secure with 1 tab.
Hi Russ, regarding the battery locking tabs, I have 3 batteries, one came with the drone and two with the fly-more kit; one battery developed the issue, I thought unlucky, then another went; I numbered the batteries and from this I believe that the two with the fly-more had the issue, the one that came with the mini 3 Pro seems fine.
I contacted dji when the first one went and they suggested I would need to pay a service charge that was more than the battery cost, so I bought another.
So, seems like a certain batch to me?
Thanks for the video and alerting me to the issue, which has given me more confidence to approach my retailer regarding replacements 👍
Concerning the batteries: a couple of days ago I noticed the lack of the “click” when installing the battery into the drone. Upon inspection I noticed that one tab had become very flimsy and there was a crack in it. That battery (249gram) would not stay seated. I checked all of my other batteries and noticed that one extended range lacked the click but would not easily slide out of the battery compartment in the drone. I’m wondering if this is a warranty issue? The batteries still hold charge, but you run the risk of it losing power while flying.
Yes the cracked tabs are a warranty issue but do not try to fix the tabs with glue. DJI will not provide warranty service for batteries that have been “altered”. I read it on the DJI forum.
I agree on the screws. Had to send mine for repair because the screw broke. Also bought a better screwdriver.
Great tips thank you for sharing Cheers.
Great tips Russ. I have not seen any issues with my batteries cracking. Thanks for sharing.
Last update about the DJI support drama with my two batteries with broken clips whiting 15 times of use for the DJI Mini 3 Pro.
DJI Europe considers it as cosmetic damage and will not repair or replace these batteries!
Today I received the broken batteries back.
My only option is to keep using this batteries with broken clips until the drone crashes because of this. After that I can send the damaged crashed drone in under the DJI care refresh conditions.
I think everyone will understand that this is my first and last DJI drone ever!
@sjoerdvandermeer8979 hey, same here. And this is worse because I'm located in Central America so they do not have my back on this, and the retailer that sold me the whole equipment they say it's not their fault so they will not cover my back either. This is so disappointing, for the cost of these DJI things, the last time I wanna know crap about these products. Worst experience ever.
@@mdleongt I know. I did promised them to write bad reviews about DJI and warn as many people as i can for this very bad service of DJI. I recommend everyone not to buy any product from DJI because you can't expect any service, even it is a warranty case! They don't care of their customers at all.
But I have a DJI Care Refresh plan and i think my drone will crash very soon unrecoverable with one of these batteries and I will make use of the free replacement service to get a new drone and battery. DJI does not care.
Have had cracks in the tabs of both the 249gm battery and the plus battery, disappointing as I've not used my M3P that much in the 8-9 months I've had it. I looked into what would be involved in returning 3 batteries and opted to repair with superglue, keep a close eye on them and replace if they deteriorate further. They are locking into the drone ok and always ensure they're secure before flying. So far, so good. But yep, there's bunch out there that are flawed for sure. To be honest, I love the features of my M3P, but it's had a bunch more glitches and hassles than my good old safe and reliable Mini2.
Great tips, thank you
Good job, THX! From Finland
Great tips! The SD card in the controller saved me when I forgot my drone card at home. :-)
Thanks for the video Russ. I don't have any crack batteries to report I went and checked it right after I saw you said that. But I agree with what you said it's probably a bad batch maybe the plastic mixture wasn't right or something. Also I ordered the screwdriver. Working on computers and other electronics I need a better screwdriver set than this mini set and the one at DJI gives you kind of just makes things harder because not being the correct size just strips then what and you got to get a new and do a lot more stuff. Again thank you for all your videos.
Russ. Awesome channel and info you share. This stuff about these screws is crazy. Interesting they put locktite blue on them. Is it known for these to come loose over time / use? Using such loctite on such a small thread that needs to be serviced occasionally would require added torque thus causing heads to get stripped. Probably applying a bit of heat to the driver used to remove them a few seconds before turning them out would ease the process.
Very clear instruction - still had to watch twice 😂
If you charge from the USB A of the battery pack, will it pull from just one battery, or from all three? I suppose you could pull 2 of the batteries to keep them fully charged. Blu Tack will work to keep a screw on the screwdriver to keep from losing them, or to stick it thru the prop to attach. (Others have said that the screws don't stick to magnetic, however, I have not tried it yet.) SD cards of any size are not that expensive anymore. I have two drones and a Go Pro, and I keep two 64 GB cards in all three of my cases. I do use 128GB in my drones and camera but still download the new content every chance I get just to insure I don't lose a lot of data.
👍. Great video. What’s the make and model of the screwdriver you talked about in your video? I just changed out two propellers and that mini screw driver that came with the Mini 3 Pro stinks. One last question, does the screw need to be flush with propeller in order to be installed correctly? I had to put a lot of torque on the screw in order for it to tighten down and get it flush. Thanks!
He has a link in the description for the screwdriver.
The screws need to be seated, flush with the propellers. Yes, the Dji screwdriver stinks, but it works.
Great video, very informative! Also great detail! Thanks 👍👍👍
Good idea. I think a Vlogger friend must have done this as he lost his Drone. He sent information to the manufacturer and they deemed the drone had a fault so sent him a brand new one
14:40 Oh, I didn't even know that!! 🤔
I had this battery "crack" problem using the standard battery after charing it 16 times in the external charger from the fly more kit. both clips are completely broken of the battery. The two other batteries are still fine but i don't trust this clip system anymore. Sometimes the won't "click" at all and i have to double check after changing battery's.
UPDATE: Meanwhile, the clips of a second battery are also broken! I sent both batteries to DJI yesterday. This is clearly a manufacturing defect!
Oh WOW. ….. great video as always I picked up some good information. Oh and I need to pick up one of your hats !!!
I have a DJI Mini 3 Pro with the FLy More kit that I purchased in the beginning of February 2023. Both XL batteries have cracked tabs (all tabs) and one has completely broken off. I am a very casual flyer and these things have neve been crashed, abuse or seen any temperature extremes. VERY DISAPPOINTED in DJI. The cracks are very visible. Strangely, the regular 249g battery does not have any cracks.
They probably crack because the drone gets super hot, no fan inside. These batteries, have a higher capacity and get more hotter than the regular ones do, plus thin plastic is not a good recipe.
So you say we should screen record to get flight telemetry mostly along with the video from the FPV ? The RC will record a 1920 x 1080 resolution cashed video file automatically when your recording but will not have any telemetry on it.
I don't have a drone but I'm going to get one. Also I love your videos
I've formatted my cards in my Nikon D500, and on my PC. Zero issues with compatibility on the mini 3 pro. Sure, it's possible to format in a way that the drone won't recognize, but if you read the drone manual and understand how it stores data, this is not really an issue (and i never changed any default setting). I'm an IT nerd, though, so maybe it seems simple to me.
But OMG, I did need to replace the props after a tree "close approach". The damn DJI screwdriver stripped the first screw in an instant! Not fun.
Side sensors are turned OFF during master shots- ike orbit!
Thanks for the video great info, I had an issue with the tabs cracking on both sides on the original battery supplied with the mini 3 pro, a battery a little over 60 days old, and being summer in Aust, it’s not the cold
Sent it back to DJI, who have been brilliant and are replacing it.
I crashed my DJI FPV on my very first flight of my very first done ever. I took off, got to an altitude of about 50 feet and was unable to move forward. Forward right stick made the UA tilt forward, but it felt like I was trying to move into super heavy wind. I also couldn't descend unless I was also moving backwards.
It took me about 15 minutes to try and maneuver it down to the ground and it eventually crashed from about 15 feet of altitude a few streets away in my neighborhood. After quite a bit of troubleshooting, it appears a mis calibrated IMU was the culprit.
Yes I have had this happen in a mini4
Again Russ/ great video. I love your channel.
Thank you for showing the IMU calibration function.
Great tips! Wow - thank you!
I enjoy your videos! really good explanations, you have a gift for teaching complicated things in a simple way! greetings from Guatemala!
Thanks Russ. Great info sir!
Hi Russ,
I have issues only with my extended flight batteries, one of them only has 7 flights and the other 9x . On one of the batteries the clip completely broke right at the point where it flexes the other is hanging on by a threat. Both batteries are form the same batch only one digit apart in serial number so clearly a batch issue. Reason for my observation is the fact that my regular battery has absolutely no problem. I am traveling but the moment I am back in the USA I will get this fixed with DJI. Thanks for asking by the way because DJI has a issue. The peek material probably has some impurities.
This is also happening with two of my regular batteries. 😭
I have 3 standard battery, one off then, have a suport broken.
No Battery issues that I can see. Thanks for the info!
yes I have a set of 3 are about to break, I tood only one now just notice all are about to come apart, DJI here I come thanks, but them did need this...
My original Mavic Air is notorious for needing a compass calibration almost every time I turn it on. My Mini 3 Pro has never had that issue.
My Mavic 2 Pro always needs the compass calibration if I'm more than 20-30 miles from the last launch location. Very sensitive to magnetic interference also.
The Mini 3 Pro seems more tolerant to those events. Adding the landing gear from StartRC lets me launch from concrete surfaces, where it would otherwise get a magnetic interference msg.
Yeah, Mavic Air 1 requires compass calibration very often, especially at night. Mavic Air 2 and newer drones don't.
Very informative video...Thanks Russ. I learned a new word...varibility...😂
Never screw crooked! 🤣 Great tips! 👍
I had that issue today my drone basically fell out of the air at over 300ft. Luckily it was over snow took an hour to find it was buried in the snow. Screen recorded it but was of no help as the video just froze after recovering the drone sd card was ok but just showed video frozen at end no falling no landing. Like it just lost power. Checked the battery and those side insert you press on battery was sunken in and doesn't click so I think it got loose and lost contact and just feel now I have a forward and backward sensor error message when u start it up
Great video. Thanks Russ
🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️ I have this issue with the tabs broke on my battery
Thanks 🙏🏽
Thanks for sharing this video.
Screen recording question,if I screen record I will have low resolution playback on my Rc screen ,if I take out the Sd card from the Rc controller and install it on my Pc will I have the original resolution that I have taken?
Thanks also for all your other useful tips++++
Gr8 as always Russ!
Great info,thanks 😊
Great tips Russ!
i think the battery break thing depends where you are pressing , if its close to the connection point ,and with more press on that spot it might break , this is probably the only reason , and maybe I'm wrong .
Some more good tips Russ.
I use X-Recorder on my Android.
Great Stuff! Thank you.
No cracks on any of my batteries, and I'll pick that Klein screwdriver up for sure!
I had no idea the charger could be used as a power bank. I seen the output port and the "power" button on it, but never put the two together. Thanks Russ, great tips!