Lowprofile DTI holder - Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2023
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That bandsaw setup is brilliant. I hate seeing people mill away huge chunks of wasted material.
Where was that band saw sourced?
Thank you for your time and the squaring tips Stefan! It's very refreshing when people who are knowledgeable in a field take the time and have the patience to explain introductory concepts.
Great design and execution Stefan. Very good job of explaining all the nuances of tapping parts down and jaw engagement etc.. I'm not sure you covered enough ways to do the indicator clearance radius :). Love seeing your "Push In Saw" in action. May I suggest you add a pinch of the eccentric lateral adjust pin so you can adjust/lock it when the indicator is in a small bore.
ATB, Robin
What could be better than some machine nerdism on a Saturday evening! I really enjoy these projects 👍🏻😊
Thank you Stefan. Your tutorial on squaring the block has to be the best description I've ever watched in YT. Fascinating project. Looking forward to Part 2. 👍👍😎👍👍
Stefan, I built the other one and I will definately build this one. I only have a hobby mill so a low profile will be great. Thank you for sharing this.
„I don‘t hate it…“ kinda knighthood within Stefans workshop. Made my day 😂
I have heard the description of how to square a part many times and I still learned something. Thanks for taking the time to thoroughly explain the process.
An hour jus flew by - watching skilled hands never gets old
I love these longer videos. It makes for a great learning experience an d one can always skip. I like to see the full procedure so I can adopt good shop practices. Thank you Stefan!
Is it just me or are all of Stefan's tools quiet enough for operation in a library?
🤫 pssssht.
(i pull down the audio in editing to not blow your ears out :-) they are very normal loud machines)
@@StefanGotteswinterappreciated
German homes are supplied with 3 phase power, which makes motors significantly quiter than single phase AC.
@@StefanGotteswinterI’m already deaf, it’s okay.
I appreciate it @StefanGotteswinter. There are so many RUclipsrs who think we want to hear their angle grinders or circular saws at full volume.
Hallo Stefan,
schönes Projekt, schön, dass Du Dir Zeit nimmst alles so im Detail zu erklären. Ich bin gerade am einrichten einer eigenen Werkstatt mit manuellen Maschinen (Drahbank, Aciera F3 Fräsmaschine, Thule 500 mm Stossmaschine, Deckel S1, Deckel G1L, 300 mm Flachschleifmaschine, Säulenbohrmaschine, Kaltkreissäge, Kuhlmann Stichelschleifmaschine usw., das Gesamtgewicht an Gusseisen steuert gegen die 5000 kg zu :-)
Vielen Dank für alles was ich in deinen Videos lernen durfte und darf!
Excellent workmanship as always!
Thank you for taking the time to show us your work.
Thanks for making the drawings available Stefan. I'll be adding this design to my to do list.
Stefan, any method of operation you choose is icing on the cake to this layman. I know little of machining, but your presentations are a delight and I'm always learning something. Cheers and thank you.
Awesome instructive video. I’ve learned that once you do something/anything at a very high level, doing it at normal levels becomes trivial/very easy. Thank you Stefan 👍
"Something Seemingly Simple (like) Squaring Sawn Stock". How poetic!
Working on a second carreer as a bard and poet
JUST remember Stefan, your videos are never too long! Thanks for posting and take care!
Your Idea of power feeding the table on your band saw is better than any other mechanized solutions. The feed rate has to be applied at constant pressure not at constant speed. Therefore an air cylinder delivers constant pressure (easily regulable) on the other hand a screw (or some other mechanism) will deliver constant speed if not well programed.
The cutting surface area changes depending on the depth of cut, specially in round stock or in profiles which changes suddenly. Trying to measure the force (pressure) applied causes many headaches specially to a hobbyist which does know all the possibilities of all the electronic sensors. I discarded my half made feeding system with an Arduino and steppers and pressure sensors. I would add a shock absorber (probably from a rear door car) to minimize the elasticity of the compressed air.
Thank you for your videos. There is nothing to criticize about them. You think they may be long, however, I get entertained longer.
I arrived at your channel by coincidence that’s why I subscribe so late in the publication of your videos. And the timing of this comment.
Really appreciate you covering the basics.
Not too long for me, enjoyed every minute…great video production/discussion/demonstration/mentoring….thank you
Thank you!
Thank you very much for the immense detail in explanation for each step.
There's just something about watching you do manual machining. I pick details and techniques up, and use them in the future without even thinking about them. Just watching the you repeat the motions makse it 'natural' to do myself. Probably what an apprentice would pick up without even knowing it.
Very nice video, Stefan. I enjoyed the extra detail on stock squaring and am pleased that you decided to show this, as well as giving us another video to look forward to. Thanks.
Awesome project! Thank you for making the drawings available. This would be perfect for my diy cnc router.
thanks for taking time from work to show us how to do this
Thank you for sharing the drawings of this. Perfect project for the entry to fine mini tool
Such great content.
Easily one of my favorite creators.
Very nice! I learn something from your techniques with every video!
Very cool! Looking forward to part 2 :)
Very very nice tool! And as always, a great video! Its always a pleasure seeing your work and hearing your explanations... You truly are a gem... There are a few dozen machinist channels i enjoy by now, but there are only a few people whom i regard as the ultimate authority in the field... Robin Renzetti is one of them, you are another...
As always, all the best and kindest regards!
Steuss
P.s. Glad to see the bandsaw feed table in action... That too was a great little design! Light years ahead of shoving stock into the blade by hands or even of a pivoting saw blade which gravity feeds itself into work - in regard to both the elegance of the system and the repeatable precision of cuts...
Also, yeah, the ``just lean on it`` method of clamping stock precisely is my favorite... I do have a brass hammer at hand, but if the part is cleaned up, i always lean onto it... The hammer is only there as a corrective tool if the leaning in on it wasnt enough... A great method, and one that doesnt leave any marks on the part!
Very impressive and very elegant!
Thanks for New Video and of course thanks for sharing your Design ! i was already expecting a new Video with some Toolmaking content soon! Apreciate the effort !
This is so much nicer than my ind-cal I will use this all the time . I did make 3 mods to it (1) made it out of aluminum (2) the eccentric pin i just drilled and reamed a 3/8 hole .cut a grove in the pin the width of a 8-32 set screw, that holds the pin in proper height and locks in the rotation. (3) the part that holds the indicator was made 3 times as wide were it slides in the grove. making it much more stable. Yea for aluminum
Another awesome video Stefan, I had to come back and watch a second time just bc. Also thank you for making the plans free, I definitely making myself one. 👍👍
I very much like your "out of the box thinking " for the problem of off centre line stylus. I have been fooled by that " manufacturers oversight " on my next generation version of your half moon holder, but now I know the solution.👍
Looks like the revised table for the bandsaw is working very well, from the chips that were present before cutting tool steel as if it were butter. And breaking down what to seasoned veterans routine operations to step by step sequence, explaining along the way why you have learned the proper process to get the desired end result with minimal changes, time, and effort. Knocked it out of the park in Baseball vernacular. Another jewel, can’t wait for the following half ( or so).
Love it, thanks! Appreciate the square-ing detail!
enjoyed heaps thanks for the detail
I want to thank you for various knowledge you shared. I broke a tap today and remember the pyramid head carbide spot drill which can be grind easily in dbit grinder that you shared in your Instagram, and it definitely save my part and hence save my day also.
Nice ! another to do list project 👍👍
very good video stefan...thanks for your time
Fantastic. Very informative.
Stefan, i greatly enjoyed watching You use the sliding clamp table that You fabricated for the vertical band-saw.
Thank You for Your efforts.
Best Wishes.
Stefan,
Thank you for the novel approach to an old problem, sure beats messing around with an "Indicol" and DTI. Also, thanks for the drawings of the major components.
Hi Stefan, pretty nifty design. Low profile holders are really handy. I sometimes use a commercial made thing called a Zero Set and it is not always the best solution or really low profile either. Usually it ends up being some bent piece of shaft and a some way to attach the indicator, used once and gets lost in the fray or thrown away...because it is really ugly and looks like scrap! This is a much nicer and useful looking solution. Well done sir.
I downloaded the drawing and may have a go at building one in my spare time 🤣 which is non existent lately! If I ever get it done I will throw it up on Instagram. And I am still marveling at your bandsaw solution. Cheers
Thats a very nice design Stefan!
Nice to see, Stefan... Apart from using this blocking-up procedure, I most often use a quite different procedure when squaring-up stock. Viz. mill the first face, as you did with the block low in the vice. Then mill the second face with the block gripped high in the vice, holding on about 2mm and using two parallels sitting next to the vice jaws, knock the block down to grip both parallels and then machine the second side both parallel and to size (if wished). The third side is accomplished with the block again sitting low in the vice, and since the gripped surfaces are now parallel, the vice, if in decent shape will hold the work vertically squarely. Face number four can be done with the block held high in the vice, and so-on. I generally use a type metal (or lead) hand held knocker, cast using a baked beans tin as a mould and about 3 to 4cm deep.
I do it both ways. It depends on the vice, which reference surface I trust most. Also if it is a difficult material it may help to grip it as firmly as possible. Lead knockers are great, but if You are a young person I would worry about toxicity. I grew up with leaded gasoline so I do not worry to much about it...
This may be an odd comment, but I found it very useful to see you work with HSS cutters in this video. The surface finishes i get from my small milling machine look a lot like the ones you get on your piece. Not too many videos show the mediocre finishes right off the mill, and I have felt like I couldn't evaluate the quality of my surfaces very well. I didn't know what to expect.
Now I'm more at ease.
Well, if you don't hate it, probably the rest of the world will consider it a God damn success. Love your manual machining man. Cheers from 🇸🇪
Fun times, where competency matters. Enjoyed, thanks.
Love your videos❤❤
Excellent video as always.
Thank you
Quick and simple, ditto!
Thank you, Stefan!
awesome project.
Nice tool Stefan, I will have to make one.
Liking the new look, much more bad ass machinist
Very nice design. 👍
I always enjoy seeing JAM vices in the wild. I've built quite a collection of them, I still need a grinder though.
Interesting video, Stefan. It has an old-school Abom79 feel--detailed explanations and manual home-shop techniques.
Wow amazing
Cerebral content. Love it! 👍
Thank you!!!
Very nice idea.
great video !
Very good tool! I'd appreciate a video just on your quik reference speeds and feeds device - pictures would be appreciated! Kind regards from John Spargo in Cape Town
Reminds me of a miniature version of my pratt and whitney indicator.
26:55 „der anhaltende Schlag“ hat mein Zimmermann dazu gesagt
Thank you.
I like that contract. The "don't be a dick", DBAD contract. Im with you! We should make that a thing for real
8:50 nice saw finish
@11:00 mins those parallels are cute!
I love, how quiet that Deckel millingmachine is
Kinda - I pull down the audio volume in editing to protect the viewers ears :-)
@@StefanGotteswinter Can you please make a another video how you make that minidovetail cutter what you use make indicator dovetail
Thanks
You use the copper drift like a deadblow drift...That holding down you do with your hand is what the pellets do in a deadblow hammer.
Beneide manchmal deine Detail Verliebtheit . Manchmal nicht immer *lach* , bin gespannt auf Teil 2. Super Video wie immer im übrigen
Use the force, that is the way
I think Tom at OX Tool has a video of squaring up a piece of irregular material. Thank you for this!
34:00 I usaly use one of the 3 dovetails(build in the dialtest indicator) with the included pin(8mm), the only downside i dont get any fine adjust while holding it like that in a collet or somthing like this
So now it's high time for the precision adjustemts to the play button!
That's a good idea, I mean I doubt it would hold up to more than 2000 or 3000 years of use without the nitriding. lol Thanks for the video and plans!
But he can’t help himself 😂. Knowing the absolute best way to do something can be a curse in disguise for some of us 😮 😊
Proper toolmaking! nice one Stefan.
26:55 What you are doing is what we call giving it a "dead blow"! 🤣
Just a tip for those who use a copper drift: Anneal it every so often. Bouncy copper is angry copper.
I suppose it depends upon your vice but I put an DTI on the moving jaw of mine and measured non-zero displacement of it depending upon how hard I tightened it. "Everything is rubber." Rob Renz
Great information even for the beginner who struggles with squaring up stock. The design for the holder is great I might have to make a thousand of them to sell on eBay… that was a joke by the way, I would never take advantage of someone else’s hard work, I have an ethical standard that I adhere to.
At this scale I would prefer to saw bulk pieces off the material, mainly because you get to keep usable stock for small/tiny projects instead of turning it all into chips. 😀
I just made something like that myself after seeing the teaser you posted somewhere. My version is a lot simpler though, it's not adjustable since I usually need to indicate on small holes only, and it doesn't matter for indicating edges. But it's really compact and low profile, so ideal for my small desktop CNC. I also like how you can see the dial no matter what angle you rotate it without contorting your body or having to use a mirror. Was also my first experience in machining dovetails, needed some getting used to, but turned out pretty nice.
Btw. what I noticed, how many different styles of dovetail distribution are there for these DTIs? Because mine is different, the one on the front is not on an angle like yours, but straight and really short.
Oh, and I also thought about how I'd go about adding adjustability, and I'd propably just make the body longer on the opposite side of where the dial is and make a slotted bar on the side, so it stays really low profile. That part can then also be used to attach the handle. Hope my explanation was any good, might have to show it in pictures.
I know you aren’t really a cad channel, but would you demonstrate modeling something like this? i supposed that would be a rather involved video to take on, but id very much like to get into small time cad modeling for the every now and then that i need it at work and i enjoy how detailed you are in explaining things.
I promise, I will not be a d*** and make a 100 of these and put them on eBay.
But still, it's a well thought concept. Well done, Stefan.
Don't worry Stefan
Ich mag das Bild der Deckel FP1 an der Wand.
I appreciate all the effort put into this project. Since you released the drawings of the design, it is a little late to talk yo a patent person about protecting your design, however, the ecentric stem mount design may still be able to qualify. I have had several things 'borrowed' for commercial purposes, as any inventor will also confirm. don't want to see yet another piece of art stolen.
I need something like this for my CNC as well...
I know just the library....!!😎
Nice to meet another Hammering Person. 😅
I have not used tool makers clamps, but only because I didn't have any, just bought 4 very nice Eclipse ones used for £20, 2 pairs but different sizes, so I will have to see how I get on with them.
Great design! I have been thinking about this problem for a while. I made a quite different construction that is fiddly to adjust, but it can be mounted on the spindle without removing the tool. I decided to test your design, and have just finished a mock-up based on your drawings. I used Delrin for the body, and brass for the DTI clamp. The body is obviously not very rigid, but it will serve well for a test period. The eccentric shaft really makes calibration very easy. Have you though about adding some kind of adjustment screw for fine tuning the DTI clamp position?
Through dedication, I've achieved marred steel with nearly every kind of soft hammer including clean chip free plastic and raw hide.
Hey Stefan, thanks for the documentation, highly enjoyable!
You mentioned using the half-moon indicator holder on the mill, but I was always wondering...: spindle nose is almost flush with the bottom of the quill on the deckels, how on earth do you mount it?