Benchtop beltgrinder modifications

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  • Опубликовано: 19 июн 2019
  • Modifying a small 25*762 (1x30) benchtop beltgrinder to give it decent precision.
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  • @StefanGotteswinter
    @StefanGotteswinter  5 лет назад +161

    I didnt mention it in the video, but there is a idea behind the madness: There are basicaly no good benchtop benchgrinders out there for reasonable money. So its viable for me to buy a cheap one and put some hours into it and make it useable for my purposes.

    • @macmaniacal
      @macmaniacal 5 лет назад +7

      It's ok to admit it, I understand. I too like making things even if in the end, you've spent more money. It is still however worth it in ways you can't get with money.

    • @outputcoupler7819
      @outputcoupler7819 5 лет назад +8

      It's okay, we all know you'd still modify your tools even if they're the nicest ones on the market.

    • @TandaMadison
      @TandaMadison 5 лет назад +3

      I definitely understand your motivation. I have an old Porter Cable 4" x 36" and I use the heck out of it. However, I cannot count on it being square. The cast aluminum table is supported by only one corner and I can easily press the opposite corner down 2-3mm with my finger. A similar mod may be in my future.

    • @jeremiahhuson8458
      @jeremiahhuson8458 5 лет назад +3

      Another kit video. Nice work you are a real inspiration.

    • @matttradie1341
      @matttradie1341 5 лет назад +8

      I know an old shop teacher in Illinois that has half a dozen sanders.....

  • @chiquinhoreydelas
    @chiquinhoreydelas 5 лет назад +38

    nice trick for silver soldering, thanks for showing it

  • @Ed_Stoddard
    @Ed_Stoddard 5 лет назад +18

    You remind me of my father. 50 years as a tool and die maker and once retired, everything he bought needed at least one modification to make it work the way it should. Great job.

  • @infoanorexic
    @infoanorexic 5 лет назад +48

    10 micron out of square, and it's "O-K-ish"
    and people have called me "fussy" ...

  • @HanstheTraffer
    @HanstheTraffer 5 лет назад +1

    What a pleasure it is to watch someone with your skill and good tooling. I learned a lot just watching this first video. I wish I had your sense of precision.

  • @ScrewDriverxxx
    @ScrewDriverxxx 5 лет назад

    Excellent video and a very useful resource for reference. Thanks for sharing. Belt sanders and linishing machines are a fantastic addition to any workshop for quickly squaring up rough stock and even facing smaller parts. The only downside is the mess!

  • @robertklein2816
    @robertklein2816 5 лет назад +20

    I can see where this is going to end up, not a part left from the original except maybe the on/off switch and it will be whisper quiet and of course it will be painted green.

    • @kellerrobert80
      @kellerrobert80 5 лет назад +1

      Painted grün to match his welding helmet's visor.

  • @joell439
    @joell439 5 лет назад

    Stephan, I’m always excited to see a new video from you. Every time I learn so much watching the MASTER at work. Thanks so much for sharing! Joel.....

  • @tomthumb3085
    @tomthumb3085 5 лет назад

    Another brilliantly executed modification to a very useful shop tool. Great to watch, thanks.

  • @jimpritz4169
    @jimpritz4169 5 лет назад +17

    Fantastic improvements to a machine probably originally intended for wood where precision is normally not measured in microns. You have amazing skills. Thank you for sharing this improvement.

  • @nder12345
    @nder12345 5 лет назад +29

    Woo hoo two videos In a week thanks Stefan. Cheers From Australia mate

  • @troyam6607
    @troyam6607 5 лет назад +7

    "this is not exciting but i need to fill the video" - your so good to us Stefan hahaha

  • @f.jasonarotin2417
    @f.jasonarotin2417 3 года назад

    Thanks Stephan, your insights are very impressive. Between you and Robin my understanding of toolmaking has been enhanced. I'm thankful you do these in English for us Americans.

  • @boblasley5640
    @boblasley5640 5 лет назад

    Thanks Stefan! I had a boss once who said he had never seen anything that couldn't be improved. I'll have to remember the center punch divots to space for the silver solder/brazing. I always learn something (sometimes many somethings) from your videos.

  • @ShevillMathers
    @ShevillMathers 5 лет назад +7

    I have to smile, you take a good idea machine, poorly made, and convert it into the machine machine it should be. I admire your attention to detail and making parts that function as they should. The machine is now worth 4 times the original price. Well done, again I learn a lot from your videos. Best from ‘down under ‘ 👍🛠🔭🎹🇦🇺

  • @garyc5483
    @garyc5483 5 лет назад +1

    Some very useful mods Stefan. Very precise for a belt sander. Thanks for sharing regards from the UK

  • @iainwilliams6510
    @iainwilliams6510 5 лет назад

    Damn it! Yet another tool I need to buy and modify. Didn't even know I needed one half an hour ago! Great job, Stefan, as always.

  • @marceloiannini8199
    @marceloiannini8199 2 года назад

    This is easily the most useful and used tool in almost any shop, be it wood or metal working. I had a cheapo Skil horizontal belt sander and a Viel Canada 1x42 vertical sander. I later replaced them with much more robust 1220x100 horizontal metal sander and a more robust 1x42 vertical/disc sander (they are the same factory that manufactures Optimum). Even though they are much more robust, better build and way more silent, they are still no precision tools. Thanks for sharing this video, it inspired me to desire to modificate to my new sanders (tables and pulleys are good, but brackets are flimsy). I always postpone on making a nice grinding attachment such as that by Harold Hall. When I do it, will probably make it to fit the three machines (vertical, horizontal and bench grinder).

  • @jasonh3109
    @jasonh3109 5 лет назад

    Wonderful as always Sir. Great content, hilarious humor, and awesome editing. Thanks for sharing!!!!

  • @BossWelder81
    @BossWelder81 5 лет назад

    Thanks for sharing. Virtual apprentice from middle Illinois. All that flex would bother me and I wouldn't be able to leave well enough alone until I broke it trying to brace it. Knowing when to quit is the mark of a true professional :)

  • @howder1951
    @howder1951 5 лет назад

    Once again Stefan, in a single word ; Inspirational! Cheers!

  • @russellhayward2359
    @russellhayward2359 5 лет назад

    Fantastic modification Stefan, since finding your RUclips channel, via the shop visit you had, I've been working my way through your videos, look forward to the next one! Keep up the great work and content 🙂

  • @pitu72ger
    @pitu72ger 5 лет назад +4

    Love the machine improvement projects.

  • @brucewilliams6292
    @brucewilliams6292 5 лет назад

    Great video! I always learn so much from watching you work. Thank you for your efforts.

  • @SteveSummers
    @SteveSummers 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks Stefan👍. Definitely nice to be able to get small parts very close to square on the belt sander.
    I like the design.

  • @63256325N
    @63256325N 5 лет назад +3

    Really nice improvement!
    Thanks for the well put together video. 👍

  • @metalillness5951
    @metalillness5951 5 лет назад

    Stefan, Simply replacing the idler wheel bearings with quality ones sure did quiet mine down. Money well spent. Thanks for the videos Sir!

  • @vendter
    @vendter 5 лет назад +1

    I have a 1x42 and it is the most used tool in my shop. It sound like a great idea to install a diamond wheel on the sanding disk side, I wish I thought of that. I was taught when silver soldering, after heating the part to put the torch on the opposite side you are soldering so the solder is pulled into the joint (the solder will wick toward the heat), then switch the two and do the other side.

  • @richknudson5137
    @richknudson5137 5 лет назад +1

    Love your channel! I had an issue with vacuum adapters also, I found that my 3d printer made quick work of producing any size I need. Although I am just a hobbyist tinkering in my "golden years", I can relate to your pursuit of precision! Rich, Seattle, WA.

  • @tombellus8986
    @tombellus8986 4 года назад

    You are a great Machinist/Tool Maker
    I really enjoy your videos and am sure
    that most everyone who watches will
    learn at le
    ast one useful tip
    Thank you!

  • @Louisg1100
    @Louisg1100 4 года назад

    H Stefan. Watching you work is an inspiration

  • @junglejammer1
    @junglejammer1 5 лет назад

    A ton of good tips in this video, Stefan. I especially, liked the one about center punching the silver brazing joint.

  • @Ujeb08
    @Ujeb08 4 года назад

    I like the trick of using the center punch to "shim up the plate to allow solder to wet the entire surface. You just have to calibrate your hammering to get the four dimples to the same heights. lol it was an enjoyable video with lots of content. Thanks for sharing.

  • @skeeter50001
    @skeeter50001 5 лет назад

    Great video and outstanding skill,. Fantastic finished product.

  • @billchiasson2019
    @billchiasson2019 5 лет назад

    Great video! And as you mentioned before "it is a kit" and it's always fun to improve on a machine.

  • @SamEEE12
    @SamEEE12 5 лет назад

    Thanks for sharing Stefan, I am always learning something from these videos!

  • @52Ford
    @52Ford 5 лет назад

    Neat trick using a center punch to create allowance for the braze to flow. Thanks for sharing that.

  • @charles1379
    @charles1379 5 лет назад

    Another great video, full of useful tips and tricks.
    I notice that the backing plate needs to be removed to change the sanding belts. Instead of cutting the wide slot at the back of the platen, I suggest that a narrower slot is used to the LHS like the original platen was made. In this way the belts can be removed without unbolting the backing plate.
    the mounting of the backing plate to the platen is a good idea.
    the punching of the surface prior to clamping and silver soldering is brilliant. The concept can be used in so many applications. Thanks.

  • @paulubelhack6967
    @paulubelhack6967 5 лет назад

    stefan, dir bei der arbeit zugucken macht immer spass

  • @KravchenkoAudioPerth
    @KravchenkoAudioPerth 5 лет назад

    Good stuff. I have had one that I purchased in 1992. I have used it a lot. looking good Stefan.

  • @curtisvonepp4335
    @curtisvonepp4335 5 лет назад

    Clever modifications Stefan on your belt sander and the dimond wheel addition nice toolmakers Sander 🔔🔔🔔🙌.

  • @joecnc3341
    @joecnc3341 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for the great video, Stefan. Your english language skills are becoming quite fluent with your correct use of the word "dingleberry". :) Keep up the great videos - stay safe, stay healthy. Vielen Dank von Romeo Michigan USA

  • @BConnie27
    @BConnie27 5 лет назад

    Ironically, I was looking into buying one of these style belt grinders. Thanks for sharing!

  • @peteramor7373
    @peteramor7373 5 лет назад

    Thanks Stefan for another great video and I will be looking out for the next one Pete UK

  • @wbogardu
    @wbogardu 5 лет назад

    Excellent video.

  • @forrestaddy9644
    @forrestaddy9644 5 лет назад +15

    A tutorial how $1500 in high talent labor can turn a $65 import belt sander into an $800 precision (but not adjustable) belt sander. ;-)
    Good work, Stefan. I've "gold plated" many a dubious import tool into actual usability. It's a good way to get quality where you need it in otherwise crappy stuff. Make, buy, or modify. Nice to have option.
    As it happens, I have a very similar but 50 years older belt sander. While it has a cast iron table the belt platen is sheet metal just as springy as yours. My plan was to replace it with something more substantial but the spring turned into a slight advantage as it relieves to allow the belt splice to pass. Maybe the better present day belts are more uniform in thickness but the cheap crappy ones I still have in stock have a glued lap. PITA. And, BTW, a hard platen is a Good Thing in a belt sander. Cast iron or soft steel platens soon wear a hollow just above the table that makes an acceptably flat surface tricky to attain. The HSS platen in your mod should last 20 times longer and it can be easily refurbished.
    That cheap-ass belt sander I bought on sale in 1970 turned put to be one of the most convenient and often used power tools in my shop. I placed it near the band cut-off saw for deburring but I use it for edge contouring, general sharpening (great job on pencils,) leveling, tungsten pointing etc. I must have 20 belts on the pegs just above in different grits and states of wear. My neighbor has used it for years to tune up his hatchets and axes. I accuse him of being too cheap to buy his own but he contributes belts of better quality than I buy so I'm content.

  • @StripeyType
    @StripeyType 5 лет назад

    I had been considering some similar work to a belt grinder in my own shop, but without any confidence that this would be at all worthwhile, I had decided not to undertake it - thanks for sharing this! I shall have to reconsider.
    Also, whenever I see shop tools in Europe, I'm made jealous by the compulsory inclusion of a "No-Voltage Release" switch, even on relatively inexpensive tools. Here in the US, such a switch is rarely included and of course never on a cheap tool, because the law does not require them, though they'd likely save someones fingers.
    And always and forever, that your mains voltage is 240v. :D

  • @tedbear2478
    @tedbear2478 Год назад +1

    Realy nice settup man. I would buy one instantly😁

  • @derKarl_stp
    @derKarl_stp 5 лет назад +3

    doing some "slight" modifications (aka. a lot of modifications being done Gottewinter-style)
    nice vid and good tipps on that soldering part... you never stop learning :D

  • @iteerrex8166
    @iteerrex8166 5 лет назад +2

    Two videos in one week.. Awesome!

  • @MaxWattage
    @MaxWattage 5 лет назад +1

    I'm pleased to see you using dust extraction when turning Linen reinforced Phenolic (Phenol formaldehyde resin).
    In solid bulk-form, the material is useful and perfectly safe, but if the fine dust gets hot during cutting or sanding, it can evolve free formaldehyde vapour, which is a potential respiratory sensitiser and has been shown in experiments to cause cancer in animals. Formaldehyde is classified in the UK, and in the European Union as a carcinogen and it carries the hazard statement ‘suspected of causing cancer’. Formaldehyde can irritate the eyes, skin and respiratory tract and prolonged exposure could cause skin sensitisation and allergic contact dermatitis.
    Either way, it is probably sensible to take basic precautions to avoid breathing in the fumes or dust, or getting it on your skin if you can avoid it.

    • @TomChame
      @TomChame 5 лет назад +2

      No need to be concerned, Stefan was wearing his safety flip-flops.

  • @burtlade1705
    @burtlade1705 4 года назад

    Excellent! Thanks for the fine educational video.

  • @Chris-pb3se
    @Chris-pb3se 5 лет назад

    Another great vid Stefan, Thank you

  • @alexwbakker
    @alexwbakker 5 лет назад +4

    FWIW, as a guy that used to make knives, it’s worth it to grab some of the norton blaze belts. The ceramic belts really cut cooler and better.

  • @tacitus101010
    @tacitus101010 5 лет назад

    Amazing work!

  • @Michal_Ce
    @Michal_Ce 5 лет назад +4

    Hi! Great work as always. One thing that I think you could miss is that driver pulley spokes acted as a fan (I can only guess!) and it prevented all grinding dust to collect in the bottom of the grinder base. I am not sure if that is the case, but I thought it was worth putting this in the comment :)

  • @WrenagadeWorkshop
    @WrenagadeWorkshop 5 лет назад

    Very cool project Stefan, thanks for sharing :)
    Looking forward to see how you tackle the diamond wheel, I may have to follow suit and get one of these units myself.

  • @danonino22
    @danonino22 5 лет назад +1

    hey, Stefan. I'm a new subscriber. came by chance to your channel, thanks to Tony. Biology is really my field, I'm a vet; but I find the things you guy do really relaxing. so, I´m thinking about gatting into the "hobbie".
    I guess, I wanted you to know you guys are really inpiring. keep it up, I'm glad your channel is slowly, but constantely growing. cheers from Argentina!

  • @machineshopatthebottomofth3213
    @machineshopatthebottomofth3213 5 лет назад +4

    Tubal cain had one of these grinders and slated it. I have one and despite a load of decent tools, I use it more than anything in the shop. Hopefully tubalcain will see this and see the light😁

  • @TomChame
    @TomChame 5 лет назад

    Great project, thank you!

  • @pgs8597
    @pgs8597 5 лет назад

    G’day Stefan, I didn’t think 250W motor would be good for anything and I was amazed proper bearings in the idlers. Thanks for sharing, cheers.
    Peter

  • @locobldrathere7264
    @locobldrathere7264 5 лет назад

    EXCELLENT, AS ALWAYS

  • @johnmcdyer7297
    @johnmcdyer7297 5 лет назад +1

    Dremel on steroids you just crack me up what a great way you say things extremely informative and entertaining

  • @RaptorMachineToolCo
    @RaptorMachineToolCo 5 лет назад

    Nice upgrade Stefan!

  • @artmckay6704
    @artmckay6704 3 года назад

    Have you Stefanized your equipment yet? No? Well, get it in gear and properly tune that thing up, sir!
    Ah, you do wonderful work Stefan and we all appreciate what you do - and do so well!
    Thank you! :)

  • @MattysWorkshop
    @MattysWorkshop 5 лет назад +3

    Gday Stefan, very nice modifications, thank you for sharing, ATB Matty

  • @stevecanny1583
    @stevecanny1583 5 лет назад

    Great job Stefan! :)

  • @lyndonthan
    @lyndonthan 5 лет назад

    Thanks for so many great videos, Stefan. I would have tried clamping the plate during welding to minimize the distortion, and let those crystals form in the shape I want.

  • @BrianFyhnPetersen
    @BrianFyhnPetersen 3 года назад

    I often use an orbital sander for cleaning up metal surfaces. I think it gives the parts a nice brushed look.

  • @Cancun771
    @Cancun771 5 лет назад +4

    Mine produced an almighty rattle whenever I turned it on. First suspect was the strange springy belt tensioning mechanism, which I don't really understand why it needed to have a half inch of free play. Tightened it down, which fixed a lot of the problem but then directed my attention to the belt wandering back and forth. Turns out no two of the three wheels are in alignment. I'm writing this comment 90 seconds into the vid, wondering how much of this will crop up.

  • @maciekm7953
    @maciekm7953 5 лет назад +1

    Long story short great video 👍

  • @wayneacaron8744
    @wayneacaron8744 5 лет назад

    AND im glad to see more video from you. poppy's workshop says HI

  • @nickearl8591
    @nickearl8591 2 года назад

    I shall definitely revisit my own belt sander with this in mind. However, I was impressed by your language skills and the use of 'dingleberry' as I thought this was only used by a few West Country English types...

  • @loneflwolf
    @loneflwolf 5 лет назад

    Very great videos learn alot

  • @argee55
    @argee55 5 лет назад

    Great video!

  • @thebotformalityknownasdale2564
    @thebotformalityknownasdale2564 2 года назад

    I too have the same grinder and I'm increasing the belt size to 2" so I have 3 = size wheels of 3.5 so I'm just going to pare up 1" X 3.5 wheels with a combination of small bolts and if needed epoxy and cut out the extra room needed on the cast table and in your video you said you need a crown so I think il need the same witch il make out of high temp epoxy ! Do there thanx for the idea and education again ! 9h hell now you said you gona put on a diamond wheel and I need the same. Too since just like you I never used that 8" flat wheel eather but a Dimond wheel I deffently will mostly fr sharpening everything wow this video has been very valuable to me thanx again!

  • @danielscheibe8694
    @danielscheibe8694 5 лет назад

    Nice! Oh, and thanks for showing how to properly debur/chamfer those edges :)

  • @swanvalleymachineshop
    @swanvalleymachineshop 5 лет назад +1

    Nice modification . Cheers .

  • @TrojanHorse1959
    @TrojanHorse1959 5 лет назад

    Great video, thank you!

  • @Smallathe
    @Smallathe 5 лет назад +1

    Wonderful improvements! Loved the build.
    I also bought a belt sander and I am wondering as well how I could work without it.
    Not that it's impossible - files will do the job - but it is SO much faster, easier, accurate and fun too...
    I also improvised mine with a raised surface to get the belt going the way I want it and I'm thinking of even further improving it... and making it more versatile.

  • @Cancun771
    @Cancun771 5 лет назад

    The mod I am contemplating now is a belt guide which is rigid but also easy to remove, because when grinding non-square parts, having the belt flex back gives you a lot of freedom to shape them, like in knife making. Maybe bolted on from the top.

  • @Whitefirekith
    @Whitefirekith 5 лет назад

    I love those Emco Maximat super 11 lathes! Being in the United State, I can only just dream about owning one.

  • @jlucasound
    @jlucasound 5 лет назад

    Awesome Job!! :-) I love modifying cheaper devices to improve their performance. If the motor works, you are 95% (ish) there.

  • @perw12345
    @perw12345 5 лет назад

    "This is also not very exciting, but I need to fill the video."
    46 Minuten, 27 Sekunden.
    Nicht, dass ich mich beschwere, es ist immer eine Freude dir beim Arbeiten zuzusehen. 😄
    Sowas finde ich jedenfalls besser als Teile die fertig aus dem Nichts erscheinen.

  • @eastcoastandy2905
    @eastcoastandy2905 4 года назад

    Don't be concerned about the East German HSS, Stefan. The stuff I used over the years was excellent, even as cutting tools !
    I used to own a 300mm 'Greif' pedestal grinder, also DDR produced. It was the only grinder of any form that I never had to modify.
    I like your good common sense build here. Nice one!

  • @ChirpysTinkerings
    @ChirpysTinkerings 5 лет назад

    Looks good, if you move the dust collection hole just under the front of it, just under the bottom of the front of the big wheel, the dust collection setup will work much much better.

  • @TheMachiningman
    @TheMachiningman 5 лет назад +7

    As Don Henley said, I love those Bavarians, so meticulous

  • @pdj26
    @pdj26 4 года назад

    Great video thanks for Sharing I love There's a microscope and a belt Grinder in the same shot

  • @romo4301
    @romo4301 5 лет назад +3

    Tolles Video und super erklärt 😀👍 Gruß Robin

  • @homemadetools
    @homemadetools 5 лет назад +1

    Nice job.

  • @TrPrecisionMachining
    @TrPrecisionMachining 5 лет назад

    very good work

  • @chrisstephens6673
    @chrisstephens6673 5 лет назад +5

    It's been Stefanised! 👍 Love it.
    And your next task is to find a way to change belts without tools.😤

    • @Changtent
      @Changtent 5 лет назад

      Computer guys have a cellphone "app" that changes the belts for you, before you know it needs changing. lol

  • @shakdidagalimal
    @shakdidagalimal 2 года назад

    This is why I stick with a 2 layered MDF 12" circle on an old craftsman 1/4hp motor (I did weld the collet mount to small circle plate for the 12" sanding circle, 4x 1/4" bolts and washers). LOL
    That was enough work it has been great.

  • @bob5074
    @bob5074 5 лет назад +1

    I’d love to see you do a shop tour of Robin’s shop!

  • @danharold3087
    @danharold3087 5 лет назад +2

    Are you thinking about making a brace to reinforce the frame?

  • @mattsaxey529
    @mattsaxey529 5 лет назад

    More great tips. What make is the pendant flex-shaft machine?

  • @tnekkc
    @tnekkc 5 лет назад +1

    Although I have really good equipment, my productivity, quality, and videos are about only 1% as good as Sefan. He is a force of nature.

  • @woodscreekworkshop9939
    @woodscreekworkshop9939 5 лет назад

    Very nice!

  • @brianwalk108
    @brianwalk108 5 лет назад

    Great video, only question is when the table bowed from welding and you clamped it down to machine it flat, doesn't the bow come back when you unclamp it again or how do you control that? Thanks in advance!

  • @jonathanmedina6816
    @jonathanmedina6816 5 лет назад

    When u are sanding aluminum parts with jitterbug what do u recommend to use on the table so it wont get scratch when doing one side when another side is finishing facing down