I wouldn't want multiple wives however this video was not convincing brother. You are using self autonomy and not reading the scriptures for what it actually says.
Simply because something is allowed does not mean that something is wise. If we are allowed to make wise decisions, we must also be allowed to make foolish ones. It is often in our foolishness that we gain wisdom.
Well sure. That is why it is unwise for a man to force his current wife to accept polygyny. What is not allowed, is marrying a divorced woman. That is strictly prohibited. Doing so is called adultery.
Daniel DeLuca Adultery is when a man has sex with a woman who is not his wife, or a woman having sex with a man who is not her husband. Adultery occurs when the sex occurs outside of marriage.
90 & Out Not quite! Adultery always involves a married or divorced woman. What you are talking about, is porneia, which is translated as fornication. In Matt 5:32, Jesus tells us that "whoever marries her that is divorced, commits adultery with her."
Daniel DeLuca Fornication and adultery are synonymous when talking about biblical texts. Both are sexual interactions between individuals who are not married to each other. Fornication generally to sexual interactions prior to getting married. Adultery generally refers to those after one is already is married. However, both involved individuals having sex with people they are not married to. In this way, they are synonymous.
Well, multiple relationships exist among people. To those who think polygamy is easy, they are in for a rude awakening, and if you play favorites, you will reap trouble on yourself. Monogamy falls apart FAR more easily than polygamy. I don't see how you can use this argument to suggest that polygamy isn't really the best. I suspect that you have never talked to a real polygamist.
Daniel DeLuca im not saying it cant work in the end, just that it may be really hard n'stuff. If it works out then congrats! Its just a lot harder then other types of relation ships.
@@danieldeluca4936 - That's not true, what about Peninnah and Hannah? what about Leah and Rebekah? what about Sarah and Hagar? I could go on, there is always favourites and there is always a mess in the marriages for having multiple spouses/partners......since when was Polygamy better than monogamy? you seem to be looking for loop holes for your own gain. Even in the world, those that practise polygamy have miserable and broken relationships, its unnatural because that is not Gods original design.
But lack of disapproval in the face of copious instances mentioned, sort of kind of INDICATES approval. Commanding polygyny in some instances IMPLIES approval. Indicating that God IS a polygamist, and telling a parable about the groom coming for more than one virgin, where the groom is a resemblance of Christ, PROVES approval. God declaring that a man who intends to take a second wife, does so in the integrity of his heart, is EXPLICIT approval. God giving the wives of David's master into his bosom, is DOWNRIGHT, approval! That is the truth. May the Lord lead you into the truth that you think you have already found.
@@danieldeluca4936 What Yah commands ME has nothing to do what what you just said... What Yah demands me to do is final. To each is own sir But my salvation will be worked out with fear and trembling. Be blessed.
@@DauidaYah God commanded MEN to marry the childless widows of their deceased brothers. That means that if your husband has a brother who marries some wives, and one of them doesn't have any children, and that brother dies, your husband is required to marry her. The only thing you are required to do, is stay faithful to your husband, regardless of how many wives he takes. If you divorce him, you must either remain single, or else be reconciled to him (I Cor 7:10-11) Oh yeah, if he has sex with a virgin, and takes her virginity, and she is not betrothed to another man, he is required to marry her.
@@sinistransgressionofthetor5449 LOL! I am of Italian descent. It was my ancestors who imposed this anti-polygyny travesty onto the Western world. I would never claim to be Hebrew; only a child of God grafted into the vine.
Regardless of the reasons, if something is a sin, it is a sin. Polygamy was NEVER condemned as sin, and they were actual suggestions that it was condoned, , hence, the clear exception to religious leader that, He must be a husband of ONE wife. Before you are quick to say, well, aren't we all leaders, The bible also warns not everyone should assume to be a leader "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." James 3:1
there is no indication anywhere in the Bible to have several wives. On the contrary, there is a very good commandment - do not commit adultery. It covers all aspects related to married life. The commandment is universal without any explanation.
@@IsraelNewTestament if something was a sin, the bible would have CLEARLY called it a sin. How can David who has multiple wives still be seeing as a man after God's own heart? Getting married to more than one wife does not qualify as adultery, so long as the woman wasn't married. Check your bible again.
Polygamy was never part of God’s perfect plan. It was a man and a woman. Hence why Adam had Eve. God would’ve blessed Adam with multiple women if he wanted polygamy. Polygamy comes from the lust and sinful nature us humans have. There are implied sins it doesn’t have to be said word for word in the Bible. The Bible clearly explains that in marriage it’s one man and one woman. Not man and man nor woman and woman. Or either man and multiple women or a women with multiple men.
@@20plusstrong41 david was seen as after God’s own heart because it’s true. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t sin. You know David sinned multiple times right?
@@20plusstrong41 you’re the one that needs to check your Bible again because provide one verse where God himself condoned or promoted polygamy. Not verses that explain that a character in the Bible had multiple wives but provide a verse where God Himself did. You can’t because God never did. There are implied sins
I love the message at the end, yes instead of looking at how Heavenly Father overlooked their act and used them in a bless way, we should be grateful to know that as long as we ask to be filled by the Holy Spirit, Heavenly Father will work through us despite our daily sins. If we only knew how much we sin on a daily basics we would thrive more to be Christ like and not thrive to look for ways to use the Bible to feed our carnal- animal desires. Only Heavenly Father can gives us true guidance, most men nowadays wants polygamy but they are not asking for it because that was the message they receive from the Creator for their lives ! Thank you so much for sharing this message that i receive in an objectif way and not subjectively. Much blessings to you. Merci d exister (French)!
God didn't "overlook" polygamy, he allowed it/endorsed it, which means it wasn't a sin, for sin as scripture states is transgression of Gods law. NOWHERE in scripture is the allowance ever repealed, men do now what the pharisees did then, make up laws and put yolks around mens necks where God didn't. God bless.
You have to repent and sin no more by Jesus. The grace keep sinning thing is a total lie made by false preachers who don’t teach the truth. They are accountable for false teaching but none of that will do you any good if you never get truth yourself.
Why does God give rules if polygyny - the marrying of more than one wife - is a sin? Why did God not call this sin and tell everyone to not do this? But instead God gave a rule. 15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: 16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: 17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his. Deuteronomy 21:15-17 King James Version (KJV) If polygyny is sin then why did God tell men - her husband's brother to take her as a wife and to perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her? Does not sound like Sin and it is Prescribed and not Described. 5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. Deuteronomy 25:5 King James Version (KJV) And God killed Onan for not doing this. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also. Genesis 38:9-10 King James Version (KJV) This is not about masterbation like the Catholic Church likes to teach. This is about Onan not getting his brother's wife pregnant by spilling his seed on the ground so that he would not give seed to his brother. Onan did this because he knew that the seed would not be his. This was disobeying God and God killed him. God Instituted a law here that could constitute polygyny . . . If the brother was already married he still had to marry his brother's wife. That does not sound like Gods's Permissive Will! Maybe that sounds more like His Perfect Will. That, also, sounds more like Prescribed than Described. You ask, "Which is worse? Polygamy for the man. Prostitution For the woman." First Polyamy is the wrong word. Polygamy also allows women to have multiple husbands called Polyandry which is definitely not allowed in the bible. That is sin. It is adultery. 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Romans 7:2-3 King James Version (KJV) So Polyandry is the sin of Adultery. Now corrected you ask, "Which is worse? Polygyny for the man. Prostitution For the woman." This premis is all wrong. Polygyny prevents Prostitution for the woman. If all the women who want to be married are married then that will leave very few if any women for prostitution. I am not saying it will end all prostitiution. I am only saying it will help prevent it. This is better than what is currently not working. It is legalized in some states. 3 And Solomon made affinity with Pharaoh king of Egypt, and took Pharaoh's daughter, and brought her into the city of David, until he had made an end of building his own house, and the house of the Lord, and the wall of Jerusalem round about. 1 Kings 3:1 King James Version (KJV) King Solomon's Sin was marrying strange women that turned his heart away from God. These strange women worshiped with other strange gods. So again nothing was said against polygyny once again. Greed?? You said it was greed that caused men to marry many wives. God, Jesus or the Bible did not say that. You cannot find that anywhere in God's word. If you are going to say something like this please back it up with scripture. This is pure nonsense. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV) Abraham - Genesis - Hagars contempt for Sarai and Pride were the sins. 5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the Lord judge between me and thee. Genesis 16:5 King James Version (KJV) Contempt for a human being is an affront to God almost as grave as idolatry. Contempt is disrespect for the being He made in His own image. Hagar the handmaid/slave had contempt for Sarai giving her no worth. She attached to Sarai no value whatsoever. A person guilty of appraising a human being of this is thoroughly bad; and for a number of reasons. Contempt is an emotion possible only where there is great pride. The error in moral judgment that undervalues another always springs out of the error that overvalues oneself. The contemptuous man (in this case the woman Hagar) esteems herself too highly for reasons that are invalid. Her high opinion of herself is not based upon her position as a being made in God's image; she esteems himself for fancied virtues which she does not possess. She is wrong in her attitude toward herself and doubly wrong in her estimation of her fellow man. The error in her judgment is moral, not intellectual. Hagar felt she was above Sarai. One cannot avoid rendering moral judgment on the deeds of men; and, indeed, she is accountable to do so. One must reverence the humanity of every man, however degraded, out of appreciation for his divine origin. No one for whom Christ died can be common or worthless. Humanity itself must be honored as the garment assumed by the Eternal Son in the Incarnation. To esteem anyone worthless who wears the form of a man is to be guilty of an affront to the Son of Man. We should hate sin in ourselves and in all men, but we should never undervalue the man or woman in whom the sin is found. 9 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. Genesis 16:9 King James Version (KJV) God through an Angel told Hagar to return to her Polygynous family. If that were sin God would have struck down that evil family and blessed her and then to help her get away from those evil people. BUT this is not what happened. God sent her back to her family. God said nothing about polygyny being a sin. It would have been a great opportunity. Jacob - Genesis 34 - Shechem's sin was at best fornication at worst the Rape of Dinah. But because he took her I think it was rape. Shechem Hamor's son an Hivite, uncircumcised meaning a nonbeliever raped Dinah the daughter of Leah and Jacob. 2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her. Genesis 34:2 King James Version (KJV) 14 And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us: Genesis 34:14 King James Version (KJV) They became the Seven Enemies of Israel in the Promised Land. They included the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. Esau married a Hivite which griefed Issac and Rebekah. 34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite: 35 Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah. Genesis 26:34-35 King James Version (KJV) This is another reason why Dinah an Israelite could not marry the Hivites besides being raped. Elkanah - 1 Samuel 1 - Peninnah's sin was not loving Hannah. There were two wives Hannah and Peninnah (1 Samuel 1:2). Hannah did not have children at first. Hannah prayed and said she wanted a male child and she would give him unto the Lord all the days of his life (1 Samuel 1:11). She bare a son Samuel (1 Samuel 1:20). Peninnah did not treat Hannah with love - Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Hannah had a sorrowful spirit (1 Samuel 1:15) and fret (1 Samuel 1:6), wept and grieved (1 Samuel 1:7-8) because she wanted a male child. Hannah's sorrowful spirit was made worse because of Peninnah's sin (1 Samuel 1:6). 21 He evil entreateth the barren that beareth not: and doeth not good to the widow. Job 24:21 King James Version (KJV) 13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. Galatians 5:13-15 King James Version (KJV) 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23 King James Version (KJV) 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Romans 13:8 King James Version (KJV) 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Romans 13:9-10 King James Version (KJV) 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment.
James Yoder Stfu!! Why is it that you men always think women are here for your pleasure?? Oh and its only adultery if women have more than one man? Please!!!! God didnt create Adam and Eve and then decide ohhh man has such a weakness for women’s flesh so i will allow him as many women as he wants! Bs!!! Polygamy is man made not God made!!! Period!!!
@@twade39 Well God did say it was because women came from men so men will rule over them and also that Eve (the first woman) first ate the apple and so God said that man will rule over women as punishment.
If it is not forbidden in the law,keep silent. stop adding your personal understanding and emotions to the law. Show in the law where it is forbidden. These white roman and Greek loving americans started this one man,one woman bs.
I mean God also tolerated/allowed incest , stoning, murder, wars, slavery, and a whole bunch of poor human driven behaviors . But he also established clear rules about how he feels and wants us to act . Tolerate and acceptance are not the same . I am still learning how to navigate reading the Bible -especially since at times, there are things that sound like contradictions to me
Where does God tolerate incest, (unlawful) stoning, murder (when the 10 commandments explicitly says thou shalt not murder?), slavery (God delivered Israel from being slaves in Egypt)? War is not always bad: if the enemy comes and attacks your country, you will have to defend it. But there is never war without evil: one side or both sides are evil. But if one side is good, and is fighting for righteousness sake (e.g. Jehoshaphat, although he didn't fight), there is no sin there. If you have actual questions, and are not just trying to pick a fight against the Bible, then perhaps I can help resolve your supposed contradictions.
Dude, the entire family foundation of the Bible is based in Polygyny, you are talking nonsense and you are speaking for God with no scriptural or historical basis. God himself said He gave David all his wives, and would have given him more if he only asked. That’s more than permissible. Fact is the Hebrews and early Christians practice polygyny for at least 500 years after Jesus Christ. It was the Pagan Romans that outlawed it. You don’t have to like it, and no one is forced to participate a plural marriage. But my brothers and sisters in Christ please stop denying the reality of the scriptures and facts of the Original Hebrew culture. They are not the only human culture to practice it, maybe it is beneficial and wise in certain circumstances and some people. It’s definitely not a sin according to the Bible. Jacob, who was renamed Israel, married Leah by accident in Genesis 29:21-25. Then he married his true love, Rachel in Gen.29:26-30. Then Rachel told Jacob in Gen.30:1-4 to marry Bilhah. In Gen.30:9, Jacob married Zilpah. Therefore he had 4 wives at one time. NONE of them had a marriage license. None of them went to a preacher or a courthouse or to any government for permission or to pay fees. They simply had sex, and were instantly considered by GOD and by each other to be officially married. Each of these 4 women gave birth to the children of Israel, the 12 tribes. All 12 tribes were ordained to be born by these 4 women. Jacob did not sin by having sex with these women. It was NOT against the will of GOD. It was supposed to happen and was approved by The Almighty. Is Polygamy pleasing and acceptable to GOD? Yes, It was pleasing & acceptable to GOD for Jacob to marry all 4 women. If he had not done so, then 12 tribes of Israel would not exist. It was GOD's Will.
You are absolutely right brother except for the part when you said they "only had sex and were considered married by God." Absolutely not so! Sex doesn't make marriage. What makes marriage is the formal allowance of the parents of the woman, especially the father. Your example of Jacob and his wives is very true and also confirms what i say. The 2 servants were already under Leah and Rachel, therefore, the parents issue doesn't apply. Be blessed brother, that was a great input.
"The joining of a man and a woman" is a statement that a man and a woman are joined, it says nothing about not joining with other people, just that these specific two are joined. So this video is basically saying "The Bible condones polygamy, but we suggest you stick with monogamy because plygamy can cause drama."
Christianity says: God allowed polygyny because there was a shortage of men.... Christianity also says; Don't marry an unbeliever.... Christianity (and the world) says: there is 8% to 20% more women in churches then men.... Christianity: says polygamy is a sin, there is enough men in the world today... Conclusion: if you are a single Christian woman looking for a husband, good luck!
Deuteronomy 25:5-6 commands polygamy if a man already has a wife. God is concerned about our heart towards him and in relationships love (Gen. 29:31-32; Eph. 5:28). We read that king David had many wives (2 Sam. 5:13) and still “walked in his ways, to do that which is right in [his] eyes” (1 Kings 11:33) and had a perfect heart with the Lord (1 Kings 15:3) except in one matter (1 Kings 15:5). And aside from Bathsheba, no stated issues arised stemming from him having many wives. In Deuteronomy 17:17, the reason a king may not take on “many” wives is “lest [their] heart turn away.” And the exact amount is not specified. In 2 Chronicles 24:2-3 we also see another king who did what was right in the Lord’s eyes who had two wives chosen for him by a priest. Lastly, in Moses day, they were already abiding by the "one flesh" principle (Deut. 8:3) but this didn't mean you couldn't be married in the sight of the Lord with two wives (Deut. 21:15).
And David sent his friend to die? So are you saying that’s okay? Lol Are you also saying we can stone women because it happened in the Old Testament? Are you saying if you’re married you can lust after another woman and pursue her while you already have a wife at home?
I appreciate this comment, thank you! Really good points because I really don’t think it matters with God, he’s just concerned about the heart and one of his kids to know just how much he loves them, regardless
Duet 25: 5-6 doesn't command polygamy. It doesn't say the other brother is married. You are reading that into the text. Allen is correct genesis explicitly states what marriage should be.
"Every time a man practiced polygamy, drama ensued"... Well, two things: one, we only get records of drama, and not of "nothing to report", no matter what the topic is; and two... I can tell you from experience that even one wife alone causes drama on an unfathomable scale!!!
I agree with @fernieG so much negative feeling coming through @kano comment and god does talk about how a wife should not nag. So it could be the choices in women that @kano is making. Maybe he didn’t pray for confirm with god as who his spouse would be or maybe not tending to his women properly be blessed
Allen, everything I watch your videos I m just amazed at how effectively you can break down a heavy topic. Thank you so much. And praise God for this gift he has given you
So God punished all sin amongst His people but “tolerated” polygamy for some odd reason? Why would he single out and tolerate this one “sin” yet punish all others?
Because while this did result in negative outcomes for everyone who has done polygamy (could be viewed as a punishment but that’s interpretation), this did still result in some positive outcomes such as women being protected by being supported by a man as opposed to having to provide for herself through prostitution. Yes, God may have tolerated polygamy, but there’s specific reasons for it that Allen described better then I just did.
@@andrewrogers3067 There was no law against it. Where there is no law there is no sin. therefore not a sin. God wouldnt tolerate any sin. and wouldve just commanded them to take care of the women. God words are timeless and he doesnt change. if he wouldve tolerated it back then he would do it today as well.
@@andrewrogers3067 1. that was for kings . 2. david have 8 wives that was given to him by God. also Kings cannot have a ABOUNDANCE of wives. 2 Samuel 12:8 King James Version 8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
Why was polygamy allowed? Marriage was to be a lasting bond between two persons. (Matthew 19:5) By the time God organized the Israelites into a nation and gave them the Law, polygamy had become a common practice. Thus, though God didn’t originate polygamy, he provided laws to regulate it. When the Christian congregation was formed, God’s Word clearly prohibited polygamy! (1Timothy 3:2) God tolerated certain things until his time to correct them. (Romans 9:22-24) Jesus showed that God had temporarily tolerated improper marriage customs as a “concession” made out of regard for Israel’s “hardheartedness.” (Matthew 19:8; Proverbs 4:18)
Each marriage is a joining of one man and one woman, but who’s to say you can’t be in multiple marriages. By the very way he described those marriages would have happened at different times and been between one man and one Woman each. Does god condone adultery under circumstances? No so if it was not his will why would be condone polygyny! Stop making God say what you want him to.
Wow, another fucking know it all. Yet your god allowed David and Solomon to have hundreds of wives and concubine. Solomon recognized as the wisest and alleged to have been given all his riches by this god because he chose wisdom over money. David as one who is described as following god's own heart. Yet god also cause the first child with Bathsheba to miscarry. Isn't that called abortion? You're the asshole that is trying to make god what you want him to be. Maybe you should just shut the fuck up.
David Amendola Jesus doesn’t teach us anything. You have words written down in a book. The gospels you use were written anonymously. Matthew and Luke were largely copied (plagiarized) from the author of Mark The. You have a dud who saw a something in the sky and suddenly became a Christian. This same guy is quoted as saying that after Jesus resurrected he showed himself to the twelve. Apparently he was so misinformed that he didn’t know Judas had hung himself or was it that he fell headlong and his bowels split open? So dude got that information completely wrong. If he has such a simple thing incorrect, why should anyone listen to what else he says? It is well documented that many of these so called letters from paul that appear in your bible are forgeries. Peter saw a vision of animals in the sky and suddenly changed thousands of years of Jewish tradition. What kind of credibility is that? You know what? I saw a vision in the clouds today and it was you and it appears you are an asshole who doesn’t know what the fuck your taking about. My suggestion is that you shut the fuck up and ride on out of here on that donkey your riding. That’s a bit ironic. An ass riding ass.
@@sidepot Interesting points. We do have a high degree of certainty about the authorship of Luke. I believe the claim about Matthew's authorship, stems from the fact that it uses a different name when speaking of a tx collector who left his practice to follow Christ. If you had read the rest of that passage in Acts chapter 1, you would have known that there was a replacement for Judas, decided upon by the apostles, casting lots to decide between two men who met stringent qualifications. Peter was able to perform miracles, so I give his credibility, when it comes to visions, higher marks than Ken King's vision. The same thing goes for the prophets who dreamed dreams and saw visions. Daniel comes to mind, as someone who not only dreamed dreams, but claims that Gabriel explained the meaning of his dreams. You really ought to chill out a bit! Your rhetoric is way over the top! We need less of that hostility in this crazy messed up world. Oh, and if someone cuts you off on the road, while driving home from work, instead of yelling at them and flipping them off, try smiling and waving with more than the middle finger.
@@danieldeluca4936 Your high degree of certainty is complete bullshït. Ancient books written in highly educated Greek. None of the original manuscripts exist fucking moron. None of the gospels authors are truly known. They are all anonymous. How many centuries until we have a complete manuscript? You’re an idiot.
Condemning something as sin that God did not condemn as sin is to put yourself as judge in place of God. Polygamy is never condemned as sin by God, a prophet of God, or Jesus… therefore it is not a sin.
Then men that CAN deal with a single wife, want more than one. Men who cannot deal with one wife, should probably never marry until they figure out that it is a lie that husbands and wives are to submit to each other. The admonition to submit to one another, is yanked out of context. It only applies to fellow believers, not husbands and wives!
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@@thebeatagp why did you contradict yourself saying that polygamy wasn't in God's will? You said it was in his permissive will, not his perfect will. Then 10 seconds later you said it wasn't in his will. Isn't any will of God perfect? I guess it wasn't God's will to have people killed. I guess it wasn't in God's will to have men marry their brothers wife either. I'm not saying that a man should have more than one wife. The bible definitely has polygamy in God's will. God himself is said two have two wives. Even Gods marriage has drama so I would think that it is unavoidable for humans. God knows how to tell us not to do something. Though shalt no kill. Written by God himself. I never saw though shalt not marry more than one woman.
Using your law of first mention we should look at the first time having more than one wife was mentioned in the Bible. Interestingly it wasn't with Adam, which would have supported the whole "God instituted it to raise seed" excuse. The first mention is with Lamech, a descendant of Cain.
Law of first prove all these things to be evil! Children because of cain and abel. Wives are evil cause she lead him into sin. Snakes are evil for temting eve. Knowledge is evil cause of the laws of first, farming is evil because of cain, music, metalwork and animal husbandry because of lamechs sons. This is amazingly bad logic and horrible Hermeneutics. Stop talking now please. Law of firsts what a joke. You need some discernment. I also see people talking about wisedom on these comments, God is the voice of wisedom, all knowledge comes from him. So if God thought something wise we would have a proverb for it. He doesn't lead us into snares but delivers us from them. God's way isn't American's way. Israel's laws were from God not man. I think they were closer to wisedom than we are. Men and woman are not the same. Woman are to remain silent in church, and ask their husbands at home. You aint polygyny people probably hate that verse too. But God plainly shows us men and woman are different. Man can have many wives. A wife can only be a wife to one man! Our tradition of one man one woman isn't a biblical one it's a roman/greek one. What does Jesus speak of about traditions of men. Also let me ask you who say it is the lust of the flesh to have multiple wives. Have you ever been married? Do you know what it is to be married. To be selfless, to put someone else before yourself. To take an oath to never quit even when the person makes you crazy. We are all flawed we have our moments that drive others crazy. Having a wife is noble and good. Having a second wife is noble and good. Taking care of multiple wives for your life is noble and good. Divorce is not noble or good. Sleeping around is not noble or good. But the last 2 are prevalent in the modern chruch another greek/roman tradition. Marriage isn't about sex, but sex is a part of marriage. If you feel marriage is all about sex I truly pity you, for you will have no joy. Marriage is about love, biblical love. The love Jesus has for the chruch. Antipolygyny people can't show God is against polygyny, only that he is against divorce. And these same people have probably been divorced.
@@bogdawson2323 I think I understand you. This law of first mention is really problematic. I was just thinking that initially God did not give us permission to eat meat but later did after there was already a polygamic practice. So really I dont get this mans conclusion.
@@siviwesigwela1 the point I was making is the law of firsts is made up nonsense! It isn't sound doctrine and shouldn't be taught! Also Ii think the burden of proof falls on those who wish to make polygyny a sin/wrongful. The bible clearly show us polygyny and never condemns or speaks against it. Polydandry is clearly condemned as adultery. The bible is the instructions in all righteousness, if the bible is silent then it doesn't effect your righteousness and therefore isn't evil, sin or wrong. Men want to teach traditions of men, that being greek and roman ideologies. All to often people go to the bible with a biase, and a premade mindset of what it says and read it that way. When reading the bible you need to be blank and let it teach you what it means, it has context and meaning you don't need to add to it. It is perfectly sufficient to guide you in all righteousness. I have always found it most amusing when anti-polygyny people take you to the time Jesus was talking about divorce and wife replacement and say it's talking about polygyny. I wonder how Jesus feels about how people twist his words. Most men can only have 1 wife, because you have to provide for them. You have to feed them, shelter them, cloth them, fullfill their needs emotionally and physically. Most men don't have the means to do that. So they trade in their wives like old cars, that is what Jesus was talking about. Leaving these old wives in destitution, well they take a new younger beauty as a bride. Being married is a life long obligation whether you have one covenant or 2 or 3. But the more you take the more responsibility you take because you have to fulfill all the things I've listed above. If you think it's about sex, you couldn't be more wrong. It's more about being a rock for others to lean on. I'm pretty sure players have more sex and far less stress and responsibility than any polygamist. So if polygamist were in it for the sex, they should abort and just be a player. Dr. Luck has done some great video's on polygyny and give even more evidence in the trial against polygyny. They are available on RUclips.
I think the basics of the issue is: if you can afford to support and treat several wives equally, God doesn't have anything against it, but if you are going o show favoritism, you should stick to one wife. I don't know why people say that Jesus did not contradict the Mosaic Law, when He clearly did. The mere coordinating conjunction "but" in His teachings ("you have heard that it was said... but I say to you") is a clear grammatical sign of a contradiction being expressed.
The Messiah never contradicted what was written. He simply gave the full and complete understanding of what was written by also stating the heart or spirit of the instruction. Example, murder is based on hating someone without a cause or adultery is based on lusting after another man’s wife in your heart.
TheLHshowChannel I see a problem with that scripture. The hebrews understanding of adultry by law was having sex with a married woman. It was based on the woman's marital status. Now that scripture says... you have heard it from old do not commit adultry but I tell you whoever lust after a woman commits adultry in his heart... now here's my problem the word lust means to have a strong desire for in your heart and it says whoever which means any man married or not desires to have a woman commits adultry in his heart. If the man is single and so is the woman how can there be adultery? You have to be married for that. The word woman here in the Greek is γύνη goo-nay it means woman especially a wife maybe woman here should be wife. you have heard it from old do not commit adultry but I tell you whoever lust after a wife commits adultry in his heart.
Hear and learn. Marriage belongs to God and he set the rules of marriage to mirror the rules of marriage between Christ and his bride the church and man and his bride the wife
@@October-qz2jv As far as I'm aware, God never condemned anyone having more than one wife anywhere in the Bible, so unless you can show me one instance from Scripture, your argument is invalid.
I sorry but this sounds like double talk to me. If God gave David all his wives and then told him He would have given him more of he wanted more than that sounds like God approved of polygamy. To say otherwise is to say God is confused & transgresses Himself.
Thank you! I'm so tired of man deciding what God means. He clearly told King David that He(God) had given him Saul's wives and would have given him more if they were not enough. I'm so sick of man trying to play God.
People always point to Adam & Eve and say that God intended one man & woman and I always think "Well there was only one and one woman to begin with" But Polygamy starts as early as Genesis 4:19 with Lamech. That's the first recorded polygamous marriage. Also every marriage has drama so I gotta disregard that point I think the truth is pretty easy to figure out. I think the problem is more a culture perspective. In the modern day the primary motivation for marriage is love. But historically people did not usually marry for love. Marriage was more of social contract/union between two people. If you can see that marriage initially had nothing to do with being in love or wanting sex (ie. Adam & Eve) then it's easy to see why polygamy is not a problem. And why God even gives instructions about how to take on multiple wives. The sole reason for God creating Eve was so that man would not be alone. Companionship. Now love is a natural result of companionship but not the sole primary motivation for companionship. I'm in a monogamous relationship but I don't see from the bible that polygamy is sin. I also think that it's wrong to assume that reason for polygamy is strictly sex. I've spoken to people in polygamous relationship and from both the man and woman sex was not part of the reason for taking another wife. In fact sometimes the woman would invite another woman into the relationship. Again if you don't see marriage from the point of view of the primary focus being to be loved by someone else, and see marriage more as a economic, social, and familiar partership, polygamy in some cases makes all the sense in the world
Lamech was a wicked man who took his wives in celebration of a murder. Guy is not exactly the model for marital bliss. In addition to the fact that men with many wives were at greater risk for adultery, both spiritually and physically.
@@jazzb3371 And David was a man after God's own heart and monogamous men commit adultery too. So again there's nothing that suggest that monogamy guarantees and leads to the less likelihood of adultery. The question is, is polygamy wrong? And there is nothing suggested in the scriptures that it's wrong. Righteous men in the bible were polygamous and righteous men in the bible were monogamous. It doesn't seem as if how many wives a men has determines his righteousness is all I'm saying
7 women for every man the last i heard........these women will be begging to cling to the same man when the shtf. Isaiah 4:1 “And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.”
@@jacob777jacob You are an old earther! By the time this Y chromosome disappears, Christ will have no doubt returned and set up His kingdom on earth. DNA has a self-correcting mechanism.
Daniel DeLuca Christ returning? Dude really? Lol. The Y Chromosome does not. As it has only 45 genetics compared to the X Chromosomes 2,000. The Y Chromosome is declining is a scientific fact. As it has no importance really besides the SRY gene that creates the male - male. However, the X Chromosome is what is needed.
Godly and true Christian people do NOT exercise drama in marriage. Considering that monogamous marriage is plagued with high divorce rate, swinging, not wearing wedding rings and cheating on one another does not make monogamous marriage the ideal marriage. Don't confuse fallen humans with problems in any kind of marriages.
Thank you, your description made so much sense. It's something that's been on my mind from time to time and I believe I Now understand. I especially like the point about the "first-time mentioned", that will help me when I have non non-christians asking those questions.
@a scripturally men can have multiple wives.God himself permits it quite a few times in scripture, addressing it directly, its never changed either. Even Christ illustrates his 2nd coming as a man marrying 10 virgins, 5 who were ready, and 5 get left behind. Our marriage to Christ is a GOOD AND GLORIOUS thing, just like marriage between a man, and 5-10 virgins.God bless.
Polygamy violates 'the two shall be one flesh.'" Neither God nor Moses saw any violation or contradiction of Genesis 2:24 to the law which not only allowed polygamy, but, as was seen earlier, in some cases commanded it. It would be strained exegesis to say that God, in Genesis 2:24, is establishing some kind of monogamous law that excludes, or somehow condemns, polygamy. Exegetically and contextually, Jesus' point, in Matthew 19:4-6, when he cites Genesis 2:24, is the indissolubility of marriage, for He says, "Therefore, what God has joined together, let not man separate." The expression "one flesh," insofar as it relates to the structure of marriage, refers to the indissolubility of a man and his wife within a marriage, whether it be monogamous or polygamous. This was our Lord’s point in quoting the Genesis passage, and in no way condemns polygamy. Now what about Saint Paul's expression 'one flesh'? Far from being a certain revelation concerning monogamy, the Pauline usage would illustrate, rather the broadness and flexibility of this Old Testament expression. For Paul, this unity in the 'flesh' is not confined to the conjugal union of one husband and one wife, nor is it limited to the bonds of kinship. Even a man who joins himself to a prostitute becomes 'one flesh' with her (1 Corinthians 6:16-17). This kind of unity is obviously not exclusive in the way that a monogamous union is supposed to be, for a man can become 'one flesh' with any number of prostitutes. According to this use of the expression, it would follow also that a man becomes 'one flesh' with more than one wife in a society which accepts this form of marriage. If a sinful prostitute can become "one flesh" with many men, then why would it be inconceivable that a godly man like David could have been "one flesh" with the wives God gave him? Individually, each Christian that is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him (1 Corinthians 6:17). Just as another Christian’s union with Christ does not, in any way destroy the oneness of my union with Christ, so it is that a man may be one flesh with more than one wife. Christ knows, receives, and becomes one Spirit with His virgin(s) (Matt. 25:1-13). It is important to recall that the real background to marriage in ancient Israel, the background against which the biblical passages on marriage are to be seen, was the larger community of the family and the clan. Marriage was not understood primarily in terms of the husband-wife relationship, and certainly not in terms of an exclusive relationship between only two persons. Marriage was regarded as a social instrument required for the preservation and continuation of families and clans. Through daughters being married into different families, there was a mutual strengthening of kinship bonds-each family giving its own flesh and blood to other families. "Flesh" has a wider social or kinship meaning found frequently in the Old Testament (cf. Gen. 29:14; 37:27; Lev. 18:6; Judges 9:2; 2 Sam. 5:1; 19:12-13; Neh. 5:5; Isa. 58:7). 'One flesh', is not confined exclusively to only two persons. The several children of one mother are 'one flesh' with her, by reason of their unity in generation and in maternal love. The relationship between the mother and each child, respectively, may even be regarded as a union of 'two' in 'one flesh', without thereby excluding the other children from this same relationship with their mother. So, by reason of a socially valid polygamous marriage, a man may be conjugally united with each of his wives, respectively, as 'two' in 'one flesh'-both in a carnal sense and in terms of kinship.
@Saved Princess Women don't decide what God's Law is by their whims. The only thing that goes against the Law of Love that we are under, is forcing a woman to accept polygamy. Take away the compulsion, and there is no law against it!
shane hester Its against gods perfect will. However, he permits it. The question to us is whether we want to act according to his perfect will or act permissively. It's in the gray area between what God wants and what he doesn't which would be labeled as sin. He doesn't really want it for us but he will accept it if it's our wish. I hope my interpretation is clear.
I think he did. It says he overlooked their sins speaking of the old testament time. And said It was the hardness of their hearts that caused them to take more than one . Jesus. Said what? I tell you it was not meant to be , regarding the matter . Darn it . Haha
paul joe Jesus NEVER said that it was the hardness of men's hearts that caused them to take more than one. That is flat out DISHONEST!!! The "because your hearts were hard" clause that Jesus was directly referring to was immediately preceded by the clause "permitted you to divorce your wives". You falsely attributed words to none other than Jesus Christ, that He never said! How sad!
Ill have to disagree. God will not cause a man to sin. He specifically gave men multiple wives. It's not a sin. There will be drama regardless of whether there is one or multiple wives
Good video! I would have to say the crux of the argument, as you laid it out, is the law of first mention (as well as a secondary 'whenever it is mentioned it is not in a positive light'). As for the law of first mention, to use that as a primary reason in the way it is here, one could make an argument that because marriage is between one man and one woman, a person could not remarry after the death of a spouse because they were already married once (Genesis 1-2), which is unbiblical. I wouldn't hinge the answer to this on either reason given here. However, I do like the fact that he is tackling the issue and making people think.
The first mention of marriage is between Adam and Eve. It could be said that Adam married ALL the available women. This argument is a false argument by someone who has not done a deep study of the Word of God. He treats the issue superficially and without regard for the meaning of the words as they were meant by the writers.
@@glennbraunstein6702 Good point. Adam did marry ALL the available women. That's one more reason why Genesis 1-2 can't be used - in my opinion - to deny polygyny or mandate monogamy. As for Jesus in the Gospels harkening back to the creation, the point Jesus made in referencing back to it had to do with divorce, not even broaching the subject of plural wives. I wish people who wish to argue against this topic would stop using this as a rationale.
@@ChristopherColegrove1983 Excellent points ! I am yet to hear valid explanations for any of what you've suggested. There seems to be confusion in differentiating polygamy, fornication, and adultery. Adultery and sex outside of marriage VIOLATES spiritual law and covenant. It is why Paul said the marriage bed is undefiled and goes on to mention adulterous and whoremongers being condemned (which is a common theme in scripture). Scripture emphasizes our COMMITMENT to the established covenant of marriage with GOD and then our spouses. So one has to argue the terms of marriage covenant and not only who gets to participate based on scripture. It's interesting how the argument becomes so liberal when discussing remarriage even though the Bible clearly constitutes this as a breech and violation of covenant.
@@RearviewWisdom Well, the only condemnation for remarriage, is when the wife is the one who was divorced. It never says that it is adultery to marry a man who is divorced, unless the man initiates the divorce with a wife who had not committed fornication! Even the language in the original Greek calls that interpretation into question.
God provided clear guidelines in the Torah if a man wants to take a second wife - Exodus 21:10. Now if the argument is that men in the Torah with multiples wives ended up with problems then how do you defend those with one wife and yet facing marital problems? The argument is a flaw. God never condemned anyone with many wives. Monogamy or polygamy is neither implicit or explicit as God's standard of marriage. It down to individual preference. Don't we have many women today who can't afford basic needs like that of the old who may need husbands to care for them?
It’s one man and one woman. Adam and Eve. It’s not Adam and Steve and it’s also not Adam and eves! You probably just want multiple wives because you have a sinful lust issue.
God also provided clear guidelines in the Torah regarding restitution and the wages of prostitution but it doesn’t mean He supports theft and whoredom.
And yet still statistic shows over 50% of divorce and this is monogamy divorce. So if polygamy cause issues why is there this high percentage of divorce? And still we are technically polygamy cause though a man is not married to a woman sex is done with several women in the same man even women have had sex with several men before getting married. Would it not be better to just commit in a marital basis?
Why would ANY man want multiple wives telling them its their turn to take the trash out instead of just one?! Ones enough for me lol jk God blessed me with all i could ever hope for in a partner through my wife, im eternally grateful
@@arturocastillejos73 he sees so much value in his woman and doesn’t feel the need for another one that’s his business and everyone has their own lives , not everyone is lucky enough to find their person it’s a very beautiful experience and I feel sorry for those who haven’t and close themselves off to this experience. God bless.
Your response is priceless It’s ethical and the true meaning of devotion To forsake all Others all other “gods” For your one love who you devote yourself to It’s the image of our devotion to the Lord and him Being our one and only God
@@azezheavenlylifestyle1974 God doesn't forsake all others! You have got things backwards. The only ones who are biblically required to forsake all others, are the wives!
Thank you very much for clearing this because the people that explain it to me keep agreeing but they don’t look at those parts they only look at that gods allow it thank you thank you I know I wasn’t being emotional thanks exactly
How can you say that he cleared it up, when he ignored so much of what Scripture has to say about it, and clearly misrepresented what it actually does say?
@@linnag3117 You claimed that he cleared it up, when in fact, he resorted to the same logical fallacies everyone else uses, when they try to read an anti-polygamy narrative into Scripture. It simply isn't there! I have pointed this out in numerous comment here on this video, and Parr has no response whatsoever. Zip. Nada!
One fact: *The most High loves the Children of Israel, who come from the 12 tribes. Keep in mind, those tribes wouldn't exist, if Jacob didn't have multiple wives.*
So I guess God could "overlook" a polygamy today, if He "overlooked" it in the past. Somehow our churches and leaders can't seem to overlook it, however. What a contorted explanation!
@@unclerhombus I did put the word "overlook" in quotes, because that was the word Parr used in his video. The point I was trying to make, was that even if we were generous and somehow, some way, we missed something, and that it is a sin, it cannot be as sinful as people make it out to be. The leader in our Bible Study class reached that same conclusion,, simply by realizing that Daniel condemned Belshazzar for many deeds, but while he mentioned that the king had many wives, he never condemned him for it.
He went to theology nonsense to learn how to add and take away from the Bible, he want to follow his wife instead of God , hope his wife save him on the last days or when he face the Lord Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
You meant to say polygamy. Two forms of polygamy are sinful, and the only people I see arguing in favor of those two forms, are those who are against the third form, which is not sinful, namely polygyny.
I can easily show you equally the same problems in monogamy! The Law of first mention is a bunch of theology Bull! The bottom line is sin is the transgression of the law, so SHOW ME THE LAW that condemns polygyny? I have a $1000 dollars that says you cannot show me!
Bible says nothing about a woman having more than one husband either. Is what's good for the goose also good for the gander? I'm confused. Maybe it's, is what's good for the gander good for the goose?
Jesus himself said that the TWO shall become one flesh. He didn't say three or five or eleven. Jesus clearly said TWO. That means anything other than two isn't according to God's plan, but only the hardness of men's hearts. Please email me for mailing instructions for my thousand dollars. Unless you don't believe Jesus knows what he's talking about, or that Jesus doesn't know the will of God. But of course you'll try to explain that Jesus didn't mean what he said, and you'll add to his words to twist his meaning. It was very straightforward and simple. Jesus said two, not any other number in a marriage.
@@servantmichael2514 can I ask how he was holy I know the bible says so but he had an affair and lusted had his soldier killed so he could be with the wife.
Coming from someone who only examines one side of the argument. If that is the best explanation that there is, there can be no doubt that polygamy is acceptable in the sight of God.
@@danieldeluca4936 Truth. Polygyny not a sin according to Gods law/ the Torah in the Bible...even the New Testament No biblical men were ever condemned for having more than one wife...even concubines The Bible says to not add to nor suntract from the commandments..so Jesus wouldnt have subtracted from laws on multiple wives
You ar being deceived. Jesus Christ. Polygamy is SIN. I am seriously tired of all those preachers inviting the wrath of GOD with false teaching. God created the covenant between man and woman. Not between Adam and Steve not between Adam and 3 wives!! 1 Corinthians 7 : But since there IS SO MUCH immorality, EACH MAN should have his own wife, (not plural!!) and EACH woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. A THREEFOLD CORD CANNOT EASILY BE BROKEN. Man, wife and God. SHALOM!
Ok after watching this video again. If God didn't speak one negative word or something how can you say it's not in his perfect will? Divorce wasn't in his perfect will but he allowed it right but it was also spoken on. Nowhere does it say that TMH said hey I don't approve of pologamy but I will allow it. Am I wrong? If he did then I can completely understand the perfect plan arguement. Just a thought!
The men of Israel had problems lusting after women especially women from other nations. They also hardend their heart and were and still are stiffnecked. Though there is no law against polygamy, reading and understanding scriptures you will learn marriage is for 1 man and 1 woman, which is stressed from the old testament to the new testament. If polygamy was the plan, how can you sin against lust or adultery? Because it is clearly stated if a man looks at a woman with lust he already committed adultery (Matthew 5:28). Scriptures also state, 1 John 2:16 "For all that is in the world, *the lust of the flesh, and the *lust of the eyes, and the *pride of life, 👉🏾is not of the Father, but is of the world."👈🏾 Scriptures talk a lot about men lusting after women. Perfect example.....King Solomon or the men who had to put away their wives and kids (Ezra 10). Romans 8:6 states the mind governed by the flesh is death. If Yah wakes you up to being an Israelite and your first thought is multiple wives vs seeking him.....that's a problem. If you can't take care of or afford the 1 wife you have, but want more.....that's problem. If you don't work...that's a problem. If you disrespect women or your wife and do not spend time with your kids...that's problem. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 states adulterers will not inherit the kingdom. Also, know that Sarah was barren when she offered Hagar to Abraham (Gen 16:3). Rachel offered her maidservant due to being barren (Gen 30:4), and Leah offered her maidservant (Gen 30:9) as well as other wives in scriptures. Moreover, if you are to follow the laws in the captivity of your oppressors aren't you considered lying and stealing from the government if married to multiple women, but claiming 1 wife? I can go on and on, but whatever you decide that will be between you and Yah.🙏🏾
@@yahrobichosen Yeah you do ramble on quite a bit, and half of what you said has nothing to do with the topic of discussion. Jesus said that to look at a MARRIED woman with lust, is adultery. Read that verse in the original Greek!
@@danieldeluca4936 Your response is very telling about your understanding of the video and my response to it. If you read my response to understand it vs read to respond you see I used scriptures to support what I wrote. People who practice polygyny/polygamy follow the lesser priesthood of Aaron due to hardening their hearts. Those who follow the order of Melchizedek, the higher priesthood know not to partake in polygyny/polygamy according His words. Next time you respond make sure you watch the video then read others responses before commenting. Peace Be With You🙏🏾
I really liked how hit on the law of first mention. Lots of God’s intended order was messed up by man’s hardened hearts and creating a society not meant by God. Praise God for Jesus dying on the cross for our human freshly sickness.
so much complications and confusion in life... bottom line is we have our own will which side of life we wanna take... either peace and patience or drama and discontentment...
The Bible does not say a lot things that you know ain’t right. But if you feel in your spirit that polygamy is okay and that’s something God wants you to do , go ahead and do it. Cause I ain’t never heard anyone tell me that yet , just saying 🤷🏽♀️
My issue here is that you have given no real supporting facts or claims. You vaguely dance around the idea that you believe that Monogamy and claim it is also Gods will, yet the only scripture you have to back it up is 1 from the New Testament. Sure, Polygamy probably came with issues but 1 on 1 relationships have issues too. I think a better point to turn to would be why are men designed by nature to want more than 1 woman and why did God not only allow it but as he told David, "I would give you more". The only real issues The Most High seems so have with multiple wives is who you choose and how you treat them. To me. Monogamy is a European theology and also a way to ensure that commoners don't climb the class system because they know that Polygamy and big households are how Israel kept the power in the old times.
You have great points that no one wants to talk about. No one wants to speak on the fact that God naturally created more females to be born then males, that men are hyper sexual and need more sex then one woman can handle. The world would just say that 1 third of women should be single and die without chilrden or that men should sleep around and have babies momas but never marry them which is happening today. Everybody swears they know "Gods perfect plan" ...hmm I think not.
I’m neither disagreeing or agreeing If it is Gods perfect will for a man to have many wives which is what your implying and which is the argument you seem to be making then why did he only pull one rib from Adam when He said “it is not good for the man to be alone” ? Why just Eve ? Did Adam also take wives from his daughters or were they just left to his sons which where their brethren?
@@SimonsFamilyVlog Interesting. I think you are stating opinions, not facts. I came from a polygamist family. I had 4 moms, 1 dad, and 34 brothers and sisters. 18 sisters and 16 brothers. I am married to a man with 5 wives and 36 children. The number of girls and boys and just about even. So it appears that God wasn't really sustaining us for our beliefs in the practice.
@@nikichat4476 Fascinating! I hope your marriage is well and that your husband knows when enough is enough. I personally believe a lot of men would be better off building their empire before trying to acquire one wife, whereas women can start marrying right out of high school, as long as they marry a good provider.
@@danieldeluca4936 I ended my marriage 4 months ago. I discovered the true word of God does not want men to have multiple wives. I was lied to all my life. I loved my husband, and I miss him, but I love God more. And no, my husband doesn't know when enough is enough. He thinks a man should marry as many women as want to be with him, provided it is done through the proper authority and they are not another mans wife. He is trapped in a false belief system. We were taught that we couldn't even go where God was when we died unless we lived plural marriage faithfully. There's so much deception in this world.
I think God's ideal is monogamy in marriage. When you read the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, this is strongly implied. Plus, a church leader can only have one wife, meaning a polygamist Christian would be barred from church leadership. The church should teach and counsel monogamy. Now, there should be some level of tolerance for a believer that comes in with a polygamist marriage. Maybe he comes from a culture where that is practiced or simply made an unwise decision. He can't be a leader though and should be counseled not to take anymore wives.
@@Mk_7777 The thing I always like to respond nowadays to folks who say things like this, is if those verse were condemning polygny, they would also likewise be condemning singleness. Single men are not allowed to be bishops, deacons or elders, and they certainly do not have their own wives.
Wrong, David didn't have multiple wives because of greed. The Most High told him i gave you your wives and blessings, and i would have given you more. His sin was that he took on another man's wife. There are many passages speaking about having multiple wives and not just that one that you pointed to
@@Asiyah2000 NO...I was referring to the fact that he was blessed with wives as stated...but yes he chose to be with another man's there by commiting adultery which was the sin that he committed. What of the scripture stating that if a man has 2 wives, he must love them equally. What about the Most High using Jacob and his 4 women to create the 12 tribes of Israel. How about the law forbidding you not to see the nakedness of thy mother or the nakedness of they father's wife?? Wouldn't it be the same thing unless what was being talked about was the wife of your father who was technically not your mother and not seeing her nakedness for that is your father's nakedness.
@@911FitClub God told Adam not to eat the fruit not Eve. WAdam could have avoided the it if he told Eve not to eat it but he said Dont even touch it. Eve touched it and didnt die so it only made sense to eat it too. If Adam didnt and to the word of God we wouldnt be in this mess. If he asked for forgiveness insteaf of blaming God for making the woman we wouldnt be here. So moral is dont blame eve she was jist using her brain Adam was shifting the blame. Adam was the problem
Polygyny is the term used for the practice of one man having more than one wife at the same time. This is different from the term polygamy which refers to the practice of one person being married to more than one person at the same time, with the initial person being either male or female.
Brother, you are straight on point.... God is not the author of confusion. Women will always cause drama when it comes down to her man. Why would God allow this confusion? All you have to do is look into the nature of the human spirit. Jealousy will always rise up in the heart of both men and women when it comes down to somebody else involving themselves into a sacred union between a man and a wife. I love this video bro. The only women that will allow this type of nonsense is women that are not WHOLE. A woman that is whole will do the natural things, cleave to her man and protect her throne. I am a queen my husband is a king... Why would I allow him to sleep with another woman? Last point, there is a situation called bacterial vaginosis, when a man sleeps with two different women it will cause an infection with an offensive odor. This is a fact! The woman's body is very sensitive and to exposed it to another woman's natural bacterias is not a good thing. If the bible can't prove to you the being with multiple people is not god's perfect plan, then let science help you out Pastor Dowell. It is nasty (unclean) to share bacteria from another woman.
Jealousy is an act of the sinful nature, and it occurs in monogamy as well as polygamy. Are you suggesting monogamy is wrong? The women who allow this know something you clearly do not know. You are saying women like Sarah were not whole, and yet that goes against what Scripture tells us about Sarah. She is posited as a model for all women in the church today. The natural thing that you suggest, is sinful, according to Galatians, and that is NOT the fault of the husband. What nation are you the queen of, by the way? There are many reasons why a woman would want to have a sister wife, but clearly, they must put away this SIN of jealousy that you speak of. If you are truly curious about why a woman would want a sister wife, google it. When I want to know what God's Perfect plan is, I read the Bible (Rom 12:2). It says absolutely NOTHING about being with "multiple people", to use your words, which is not what polygyny is, in the first place. Polygyny is having multiple WIVES; not women; WIVES. Understand the difference! You have been watching that "Sis Yah" video about polygamy and yeast infections. Notice she disabled comments on that video; the one where she said she is a queen and has some sort of divinity! Welcome to the church of Oprah!
Big daddy sim No, there is godly jealousy and self-centered jealousy. You are the one who has a lot to learn. There is no Scripture that says that jealousy is OK, as long as it is "normal" jealousy. Nobody creates jealousy in another person. You are simply blame-shifting. What Scripture do you have to back up your claim that polygamy is the product of male greed and selfishness? This should be interesting.
Big daddy sim So you think it was the gentiles who were polygynous that Paul was writing about in verse 17. Hmm, very interesting. The passage in Proverbs is about adultery, which is a violation of the 10 commandments. It warns men about taking other men's wives, but does not say that the jealousy is OK, only that taking another man's wife can be harmful to your health. Read the entire context of those two passages yourself to get a better understanding of what it really says. Any text without a context is a pretext.
Big daddy sim, I apparently got under your skin, and that is especially apparent with all the misspelled words you used. You threw out a Red Herring which is a Logical Fallacy, when you claimed that I have no theology. My theology is based solely on the Word of God, which I have read from cover to cover numerous times.
The passage in Proverbs does not have to say that jealousy is a sin. The passage in Galatians says that jealousy is an act of the sinful nature. Jealousy occurs in monogamy as well as in polygyny, so you CANNOT blame jealousy on polygyny. If a woman has issues with jealousy, she needs to deal with those issues, regardless of whether her husband is polygynous or monogamous.
He says that each time the bible mentions a man having multiple wives, a problem for him arises as a result of this so called wrongdoing... yet polygamy was common back then... it wasn't like only a handful were practicing this... what about all the times a drama didn't arise from that? How is this even an argument?
Melissa Graham okay so you believe polygamy is a sin I’m going to tell you why it isn’t and it’s pretty simple. Is they’re a bible verse that specifically says that polygamy is a sin. No they’re isn’t. So anything that’s not considered a sin is allowed right. If that’s not true than anything can be a sin because if god says something it can be misinterpreted as something else so anything god says could be misinterpreted as a sin.
Revivalord, something’s are not necessarily a sin, but somethings are not good for you. - somewhere in the Bible (I don’t remember exactly where, maybe ephisians or Corinthians, it in the nt
I have a question. Say a polygamous person committed to their polygamous family wants to do God's perfect will. Should the family of that polygamous family split up and all marry someone monogamously instead? How would that situation be handled?
@Saved Princess So you set aside the commands of our Lord Jesus Christ, in order to comply with the traditions of men that originated from a Greek Philosopher. SMH. Read Col 2:8!
@Saved Princess He never said ANYTHING about abusing women! You are just putting words into his mouth. That is typical of you anti-Polys. It is not enough for you to add to God's Word. You have to add to the words of anyone who disagrees with you. Your doctrines are rotten to the core!
Saved Princess You're basically blaspheming and criticizing God by trying to shove your feminist views down our throats. God's will is perfect, just and right is He. If a man of God wants to take a second wife, and the woman willfully agrees. Then it was in the will of the Father.
God bless your brother, as usual you speak the biblical truth. it seems a lot people are having trouble distinguishing between the grace of the Old Testament & order of the New Testament. like you said, not everything that is described is prescribed. much love! - newly subscribed listener
You ar being deceived. Jesus Christ. Polygamy is SIN. I am seriously tired of all those preachers inviting the wrath of GOD with false teaching. God created the covenant between man and woman. Not between Adam and Steve not between Adam and 3 wives!! 1 Corinthians 7 : But since there IS SO MUCH immorality, EACH MAN should have his own wife, (not plural!!) and EACH woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. A THREEFOLD CORD CANNOT EASILY BE BROKEN. Man, wife and God. SHALOM!
Exodus 17:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. deuteronomy 21:15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 2 samuel 12:8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more. Mathew 25 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps[a] and went to meet the bridegroom.[b] 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
I just had a guy tell me that polygamy is kosher in the Bible, but when I asked why he wanted more than one wife he said ‘for efficiency’. I feel like what he should’ve admitted was that it was for his own greed. And I like what you said in this video.... I think it’s selfish for a man to claim two or more women in this day and age because he is essentially taking away a wife for another man....
Romey Rome what do you mean when you say “he’ll actually be doing her service.“ What do you mean by that? What kind of service will ‘this polygamist man’ be providing a single woman?
Exodus 17:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. deuteronomy 21:15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 2 samuel 12:8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more. Mathew 25 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps[a] and went to meet the bridegroom.[b] 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
Who are you to assume anything about a person? You don’t know his heart. Do I want multiple wives? Yes! Why? Because 1. I love women and find myself discontent in a monogamous relationship. 2. I want to have as many children as I can. 3. More wives means easier lives for all involved. That’s more paychecks paying the bills, that’s more hands taking care of children, that’s more hands keeping the house clean. Plus, if one isn’t in the mood, one is bound to be. Like I said procreation is my main focus. What man doesn’t want to father a nation?!? Women in the west thing mighty highly of themselves to think that it’s wrong for a man to desire to be with multiple partners when men can I’m pregnant dozens of women in the span it takes for her to go through 1 pregnancy.
I never seen polygamy work in my community. The guy can’t even take care of his own kids from multiple wives and their be jealousy, sharing and unfairness and favoritism. Polygamy just isn’t right. If a guy think it’s ok but it’s not okay if their women’s do the same it is double standard. In my opinion I prefer having one partner.
That is anecdotal evidence. It can be used to prove that polygny is not right for everyone, but cannot be used to prove that polygyny is not right for anyone. "Partner" is such a bad word to use when talking about marriage! You are saying that if it's okay to have more than one wife, then it should be okay to have more than one husband, but the Bible clearly says that the woman who has more than one husband, is called an adulteress! We need to have the mind of Christ! Instead of worrying about what is fair or unfair, consider the fact that God made men and women different. What kind of woman wants to have more than one husband? Proverbs tells us that her feet do not abide in her own home!
This is why it is imperative to know the Bible for yourself. He’s spinning what was allowed as though it is not today, and secondly, he’s stating polygamy was allowed in the Old Testament as though it wasn’t in the New. Polygamy never stopped in the Middle East and it Never ceased in the New Testament during times in which those people were then and now Middles East origin. Will and Perfect will has nothing to do with Polygamy.
Deuteronomy 25, 5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. 6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel. 7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother. 8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her; 9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.
I was baptized Catholic when I was born and had listened to different views of Christian Religion and protestants with regard to marriage as I grew I value the lessons taught in the Bible. Christ was sent to fulfill the law of God and the prophets not to think that he (Jesus) came to abolish it (Law) if that was the Divine Law set from the Old Testament then it was crystal clear that Christians did not observed it, only Muslims. Shall He (God) condemn his prophets then for committing polygamy? or having concubines? Abraham was God's friend, Moses too was polygamous, not to mention Solomon think twice.
@Black Panther in Islam that's the main point you don't put away your wife you marry another and value then equally with their needs. So go back to my question will God condemn His prophets especially Abraham for marrying another??? You've talk too much but haven't answered it directly.
@Black Panther You are off base, and I already pointed this out to you on another thread. The creation account NEVER condemns polygamy. That is an outright lie on your part! Not only that, but it never says that females are created in God's image! God is not a woman! It says that He created MEN in His image and then says that He created males and females. I notice you didn't even quite the relevant passage. That could be because you realize that it does not support your assertion. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that God's original plan was one man and one woman! It does not say that His plan was either one man and one woman OR one man with so many wives, but it clearly does NOT say that His plan was NOT one man with so many wives, as you assert here. No one is trying to argue that God supports adultery or fornication. In fact, we would all like to see polygamy legalized, or at least leave the recognition of what marriage is, up to the church as opposed to the government. God promised Abraham a son form Sarah AFTER Hagar became Abraham's wife and gave birth to Ishmael! Abraham very well may have sinned at some point in his lifetime, BUT Scripture NEVER refers to what Abraham did, in taking Hagar to be his second wife, as a sin! There is not even the slightest condemnation for him having done so. It was AFTER Hagar gave birth, that God promised Abraham that he would be the father of MANY nations. Hagar WAS sent to the wilderness BUT, that was NOT because Sarah and Hagar were jealous of each other! You have that story a bit confused. She ran off on her own. She wasn't sent, but ran off, after Sarah started mistreating her, because of the scorn she showed Sarah. When she WAS sent away, it was not because of jealousy between her and Hagar. You make it sound like that was the reason, but it wasn't! It was because of the way that Ishmael was treating Isaac! What you posted, is misleading because of your anti-polygamy bias. Having said that, you make excellent points about those prophets having sinned, and the fact that we all need a Savior, and I commend you for that. Make sure though, when you attempt to explain what Scripture says, that you don't misstate it, because that is harmful to your witness.
@Black Panther so Abraham will be condemn yes or no? Hahaha black panther u made urself too difficult all that explanation u haven't answered it directly no wonder y Christians have so many denominations and sects.
“4 He said to them, “Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? 5 It says, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.’ 6 So they are no longer two but one. Let no man divide what God has put together.”” Matthew 19 4-6
There are a few issues I have with this presentation by Allen Parr 1. The assertion that every single person who practiced polygamy resulted in problems. This can't be proven. Of course polygamy would cause problems but so what? Problems exist in basic monogamy marriages so why would that not be the case in polygamy households? Half of marriages today end in divorce but that is not an argument against monogamy. Also marriage troubles tend to get more focus than successes. People do focus on drama rather than the boring stuff when nothing bad happens. What gets more attention in the media today? The successful celeb marriages or the ones filled with scandal? Allen says: "Each time when someone practiced polygamy in the Old Testament, it was some straight up drama and did not turn out well." This is not proven. The Old Testament mentions additional examples who practiced polygamy than the names he references and nothing is said about drama or nothing turning out well in these examples. Some examples are Gideon, Tekoa, Shaharaim, and Abijah. "And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives." (Judges 8:30) "And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah." (1 Chronicles 4:5) "And Shaharaim begat [children] in the country of Moab, after he had sent them away; Hushim and Baara [were] his wives." (1 Chronicles 8:8) "But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives, and begat twenty and two sons, and sixteen daughters.” (2 Chronicles 13:21) Sure problems probably existed as problems occur in all marriages, polygamy or not, but nothing is suggested that any special problems occurred in these examples. 2. Allen makes an assumption that Genesis 2:24 was the original intent of marriage of having just one wife and not more than one. Is that really true? Is he suggesting he understands the original intent of Genesis 2:24 better than Moses, Abraham, Jacob, and others in the Old Testament? That is a pretty bold claim, perhaps with a touch of arrogance. Nowhere in the Bible does it declare that to be the original intent and polygamy was a deviation from that intent. There was plenty of opportunity but none of the writers made that connection. Not even Jesus attempts to correct the practice. Not only is there no evidence that Jesus has problem with polygamy, the parable of the 10 virgins is built in a polygamy foundation. If we follow the logic, if God created 2 women for Adam, would it original intent was for all men to have 2 wives and any man having only one wife would be outside the original intent? Genesis 2:24 says God gave Adam a wife. Even in polygamist household, it always starts with one wife. Anything beyond that is reading things into the text rather than the text itself making a declaration. God could have easily made the intent clear by saying something to the effect “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh and man shall take on no other women to have as wives.” That would have been absolutely clear and would have avoided future problems but the text does not say this. Genesis was written by Moses who had 2 wives. Apparently all of this was lost on him. I do believe the author of any text knows the text they write better than anyone else and Moses apparently did not see a problem with Genesis 2:24 and his own circumstances. 3. Allen says that taking extra wives was outside of God's will. Not only is this assertion not supported but it contradicts what he said a couple minutes prior. Allen said: Even in David's situation, when he committed adultery with Bathsheba , God came to him and said, Why did you have to steal someone else’s wife, if the wives I have already given you went enough, I would have given you more." If taking extra wives was always outside of God's will, why did God give David his wives? He admits that God gave David his wives which means it was God's will that David had more than one wife. Unless the suggestion is God gave David his wives and the actions done by God were outside of his own will. WHAT!!! It is clear from the text that David had multiple wives because God gave David those wives. Not due to greed or any of the other reasons he listed why polygamy was practiced. Many modern day Christians have a problem with polygamy because it is a practice is way outside the norms of the day. That may change over time as same sex marriage is accepted more. If Christians can support same sex marriage without any support from the Bible, surely they should be able to handle the issue of polygamy that actually is practiced with no claim anywhere the practice was viewed as wrong or sinful. Not all Christians have had a problem with polygamy. Martin Luther wrote: "Consequently it is my opinion that a Christian is not free to marry several wives unless God commands him to go beyond the liberty which is conditioned by love." (Luther to Joseph Levin Metzsch, 9 December 1526, in Theodore G. Tappert, ed. and trans., Luther: Letters of Spiritual Counsel, vol. 18 of the Library of Christian Classics (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1955), p. 276) Martin Luther appears to hold at reasonable view that keeps the Bible consistent. Monogamy was the general standard BUT at the very least exceptions could be made and even commanded by God. Finally if one has to ask did anything good ever come from polygamy I can think of one good thing off the top of my head. The entire house of Israel was brought forth by polygamy. Without it, the twelve tribes of Israel would not have existed. Let that simmer in your mind for a while and what that means for the Bible narrative as a whole.
1 Corinthians 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. 1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. In other words your statement is wrong. Neither sex should have multiple partners at all. And the bible says men were made for women as well…we were made for each other. So that doesn’t give the man the right to sleep around and have multiple women. Not to mention, when the Bible mentioned a three man relationship, it was talking about the husband, the wife, and the Lord to create a covenant…not have multiple wives to exude power. Deuteronomy 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold. Polygamy was placed here by the devil himself to have more control over women, hence why the men that do it are labeled as kings. Polygamy possesses a spirit of greed, pride, and power, which are against God. They did have problems. Look at the story of david and how he lost everything including his baby because of polygamous manners…you are more than welcome to your own views, I won’t take that from you, but please don’t be deceived 🥰 💜💜💜💜💜💜 stay blessed 😇
@@ILoveGodandJesusForeverandEver multipying wives rule only applied to Kings. God himself said he would have given david more wives. so saying "Polygamy was placed here by the devil himself to have more control over women" is not biblical. God himself is ok with it as seen in the example above. explain this. 2 Samuel 12:7-8 King James Version 7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
@@ILoveGodandJesusForeverandEver Exodus 17:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. deuteronomy 21:15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 2 samuel 12:8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more. Mathew 25 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps[a] and went to meet the bridegroom.[b] 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefor
Great topic. I feel like there are some really bad conclusions here though, basic example of correlation does not imply causation; almost all these men did not have only one wife extremely hard to come up with any real compare and contrast. Overall I believe there is a good argument for both coming from a biblically perspective, and if you step back a bit from any religious influence there is a good argument for both as well. Society wise a big problems arises when a few men have all the women, so having it as a norm is beneficial. (Though with just how big the population is now a days I can see one arguing this may not be a problem any more. )
I've been studying this topic for awhile now, not to practice myself but rather from a purely biblical perspective. I'm willing to believe it's wrong if it can be shown from the Word that it's wrong but I have yet to see that happen. Most arguments against it seem based on rationalizing it as immoral or bad...not God's original intent...or something He allowed because of people's sinfulness. However, I still have yet to hear a sound argument based upon what the scriptures say. The idea that God would allow a sinful practice, and even create rules on how to properly perform that sin seem almost blasphemous. Cain and Able obviously had to marry siblings so to argue lets use how it was in Genesis as the standard seems reckless. Finally why would Paul say a minister in the church had to be a one woman man (no polygamy) unless there was polygamy in the church?? I'm not trying to be difficult as I truly do ask these questions and I love MANY of the videos this brother has put out. But sola scripture, not tradition or feelings. Just my thoughts for whatever they are worth.
@@zod4320 From a purely biblical perspective I do overall agree with yea. I think the main argument people come up with for any bible related topics is that a certain thing was prevalent in society so it's God acknowledging it's existence trying to mitigate it, and not necessarily for it. Almost like God himself is playing politics with humanity. At the end of the day, words, story, books of any kind can be interpreted many many different ways so never use it as your only guide to navigate the world and your decisions.
@@zod4320 You are actually on the right track. There is a reason that ministers are opposed to polygyny, but unfortunately, it has more to being conformed to this world, rather than being transformed by renewing their minds. If they did an in depth study of what the Scriptures teach, they would find out that polygyny is acceptable in the eyes of God, and they would find themselves swimming upstream, against the current. In fact, some former pastors have lost their careers and are driving tractor trailer rigs for a living, because they discovered this truth.
@@StephenMoreira No sir! God could have stopped it if He had wanted to. Church leaders today have no trouble squashing those who practice it in their congregations, or those who attempt to do so, so God could have easily said "Thou shalt not", but He didn't.
God does not care how many wives a man has. It is a non-issue to Him. I really hate when people shoehorn the word of God to fit their ethnocentric world view. If God really did not like polygamy, he would have forbidden Solomon to have 1000 wives.
The question that comes up now is, with the difference in numbers between men and women, would it not be better if men married extra women for as long as he respects the covenant in marriage rather than having single women wrecking homes
Wow this is straight facts but people fail to see other scriptures Isaiah 4:1 now with men becoming more and more scarce through men turning to other men and becoming transgendered and more an more men turning away from marriage on top of the things already plague men today that further adds to your point and it’s backed by scripture
Alright Adam! You’re quick to throw women under a bus when actual the signal woman no covenant with the married man but he does have that with his wife or wife’s. If he has a problem honoring them he needs to take that up with the father and you probably should do the same if you believe women are wrecking homes!
@@shannonkid well maybe my wording came out wrong, but there is a big problem in the society now with women population increasing faster than that of men. My point was that women should allow men to marry more than one woman without making a fuss about it
Monogamous marriages have problems that those polygamous do not have nor do those who do not get married have problems that married people have. The problem Abraham had in his polygamous marriage was not in his grandson Jacob (Israel). Monogamous marriage is not the perfect will of God nor is polygamous marriage. Nevertheless the perfect will for one differs fro the perfect will for another. So whether monogamous or polygamous there is no sin. No commandment is violated.
Polygamous married is for men who are suffering with the so called lust and even when they have multiple wives they still want sex from outside look what king David did to Urias wife.
i dont know man, will god accept something HE doesnt agree. if HE knows the result of it never being good for us why condone it? ever since HE allow polygamy i don't look at marriage the same.
Yes he does. Take a look at divorce. Matthew 19:8 "He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so." Clearly sin has damaged God's original desire/intention for marriage but in his grace allows us more freedom to do what He would prefer us not to
@@kaylanonyaa5291 says who? you? God only ever permits it in scripture, and makes laws regarding its institution, he NEVER regards it as not ideal, bad, or sinful. even Christ our lord shows its goodness in the parable of the wise virgins. i'll let the Lord speak for himself, his arm is not too short. God bless.
You ar being deceived. Jesus Christ. Polygamy is SIN. I am seriously tired of all those preachers inviting the wrath of GOD with false teaching. God created the covenant between man and woman. Not between Adam and Steve not between Adam and 3 wives!! 1 Corinthians 7 : But since there IS SO MUCH immorality, EACH MAN should have his own wife, (not plural!!) and EACH woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. A THREEFOLD CORD CANNOT EASILY BE BROKEN. Man, wife and God. SHALOM!
No it not, there is no such thing. There is only one "Will" being done! That's God's Ordained/Appointed Will - Isaiah 46:10, Ephesians 1:11. Everything that goes on under the sun is happening according to God's One True Sovereign "Will". Please stop the unbiblical teachings of God having "Two Wills"! It is Theologically Sickening!
If we're to use this concept of "permissive" vs "perfect" will (especially in the context of Genesis 1) then we could further argue that God's perfect will would be for all of us to be vegan nudists living in a garden.
God's perfect will can only be known when we decide to not be in conformance to this world, but allow ourselves to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Paul wrote this to the monogamous Romans. He basically said not to conform to the practices of that monogamous society.
You don't think they were marrying young girls who are considered minors today back in biblical times? When a girl bled she was considered a woman. I started at 9. Guess I would have been a woman and mother at 10.
@@TheStinalee201120 Nope! It was 12. That would make it pederasty, not pedophilia, but then again, 18 is an arbitrary number. Nonetheless, I am content to abide by the law forbidding underage relations. Imagine how different your life might have been if you had married a loving husband at an early age and you were able to have 12 or more children! Sure you would have missed out on a lot of final exams, but ask yourself would it not be worthwhile?
What if one is already in a polygyny marriage - customary and legally allowed in the country - can you get saved (become a christian) and if ok, will you be living in sin.
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord, shall be saved. Polygyny is not sin. Polyamory and polyandry are sinful. Call on Jesus, and He will save you. Don't listen to unbiblical nonsense like this video, unless you are prepared to refute it.
@@danieldeluca4936 please polygyny is a sin. you just want an excuse to be lustful didn't your God say marriage is between a man and a woman not multiple women give to me a "holy" reason as to why you want more. To continue your lineage? Children do not die so often like they did back then and there is over population plus there are more men than women in the world you just want more 🐱 lml acting righteous u just look like a clown
@@sparklingflames9268 Polygyny is not a sin. Your "lustful" comment is an Ad Hominem Fallacy. You don't want to address the truth, so you just accuse those you disagree with, of lust. God neve said that marriage is between A man and A woman. He said it is between male and female. Learn what Scripture actually says, as opposed to being spoon fed. If you want a "holy" reason, look no further than Heb 13:4. I want more because God has given me the desire for more. That is the only reason anybody needs, since there is no verse of Scripture that states that it is a sin.
Truth!! According to Genesis man took it upon themselves to have multiple wives that wasn't from God. The Bible is for our learning and what we love is the perverted part of the Bible . We have to understand these men of the Bible were not perfect and was playing the role if the Messiah. They all fell short but we want to follow them. When He already told us those that came before Him were thieves and robbers. Only God elect will understand and do right, His laws are already in them.
Where does it say that it wasn't from God in Genesis? When Jesus spoke of thieves and robbers, He was not referring to men that take multiple wives, but those who promote works based salvation. Good Bereans search the Scriptures rather than assume they are right because they are part of the elect. Were the Romans, who instigated this ban on polygamy, part of the elect?
One thing to note is that Deuteronomy states that Israel's kings weren't even supposed to take multiple wives in Deuteronomy 17:17......"And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold." And I would say diddo on your statements about God's created order being one man and one woman and that not all things that are described are prescribed.
@@calc3085 Rom 12:1-2 tell us that in order to know God's perfect will, we must not conform to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of our minds. The pattern of this world allows anything EXCEPT polygyny.
He a false prophet. No where in the Bible is it condemned to have more than one woman. Only if he takes a woman that belongs to another woman that’s it. You ppl dumb lol
Bro what? You literally said GOD told David "if the wives I gave you weren't enough" implying that GOD gave him many wives. So by that conclusion GOD blessed him with something that GOD himself condemned?
@@Andromedon777 Well I would like to know what conclusions you have drawn. Believe me, I have a lot of people responding to comments that I made years ago! 1 year is not that big of a deal! Chill out bro.
I just want to know in God eyes, is it right or wrong? Because from what you saying Polygamy is not a sin but also it's nothing wrong with doing it as long as you can provide for your multiple wife's.
There is nothing wrong with it remember sin is a violation of Gods law and the word also says that where there is no law there is no sin and since there is no biblical law forbidding it it can not be sin even Christ on the parable of the 10 virgins describes him as a polygynist coming back for his brides
Exodus 17:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. deuteronomy 21:15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 2 samuel 12:8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more. Mathew 25 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps[a] and went to meet the bridegroom.[b] 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefor
I Believe in Jesus, and yes the bible does allow polygamy, why because it was a thing for that time, let's be honest, most of the holy Books are influenced by culture and patriarchy, so part of blessings in the book of samuel included wives, so to claim that the bible does not promote polygamy and patriarchy is like claiming that there a no war stories in the bible. Let's be honest and not defend obviously things. By lying we're not defending God or Jesus or doing them any favors, if God did not design us for polygamy then why would he bless david with more wives, that means he was helping david to go against his original design. Therefore Sin is not what is listed in the bible but what God makes to be sin to you. To others , it was sin not to kill, example being soul and to other it was sin to kill example being david. God is the one who prescribe what is sin to you and what is not sin. Not everything is the bible is God's word, only Jesus is God's word. Conclusion Jesus does not allow polygamy but there is lot of evidence where the Bible allows polygamy.
@Black Panther No matter how many times you post these passages out of context, it won't change their meaning to what you want it to mean. WVBS may have some good things to say, but they are horribly wrong when it comes to divorce and remarriage.
If you had just said we should not ignore what happened in the bible with These men of God you are correct, where you lost it is the justification of polygamy, if this is how you feel about polygamy you are rejecting the truth which is in the bible, I hope you find the courage to read the bible in context and not to suit your fleshly desires.
I agree with what you are saying to a degree. Even when he mentioned David cursing his enemies, Jesus did many of the same things in his parables speaking directly to the Pharisees. He called them a brood of snakes and almost every mention of "weeping and moaning and gnashing of teeth" he was talking about them. I still cannot say this is a sin and if I can't say it is a sin when God literally cooperated with it. It still has me perplexed.
Second Part 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:36-40 King James Version (KJV) Peninnah was evil toward Hannah with her mockings and Peninnah did not love Hannah as herself. Peninnah's sin was not having love or the fruit of the spirit. It had nothing to do with polygyny. Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible against any man marrying more than one wife. Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible that polygyny - The marrying of one husband with more than one wife - two or more - even if the man were already married. Polygyny is the only Biblically accepted form of polygamy. And nothing has been said against polygyny in this verse. You said, "Clearly each time somebody practiced polygamy in the Old Testament it was some straight up drama and it did not turn out well." Really. . . What about the other 37 families practing polygyny in the Bible? How many monogamous marriages have drama and abuse? All the Polygamists of the Bible #1: Lamech #2: Abraham #3: Jacob #4: Esau #5: Moses #6: Gideon #7: Jair #8: Ibzan #9: Abdon #10: Elkanah #11: Saul #12: David #13: Solomon #14: Caleb #15: Caleb #2 #16: Rehoboam #17: Joash #18: Xerxes #17: Belshazzar #20-21: Abijah and Jerahmeel #22 YAHWEH - God himself. #23-40. Not named by name. 8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. 2 Samuel 12:8 King James Version (KJV) If polygyny was not ok then why did God tell King David he would have given him more wives? To give him more sin? That does not sound like God has a problem with polygyny. Jesus came from King David's line and from other families practicing polygyny. That does not sound like God had a problem with polygyny. King David - The Man After God's Heart - committed the murder of Uriah (2 Samuel 11:14-17) husband of Bathsheba the daughter of Eliam (2 Samuel 11:3) after committing adultery (2 Samuel 11:4) with her. Where is the other "drama" with all his other wives and concubines? And Jesus came through David's line. Again Polygyny was not the problem. It was King Davids sins of Murder and Adultery. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 King James Version (KJV) 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 So if polygyny is Gods's Permissive Will and NOT His Perfect Will then why was it not listed in the works of the flesh or the unrighteous list listed above. It was the perfect place to list that Polygyny is a work of the flesh or is unrighteous. BUT it is not!! Sounds like more than Permissive Will. Again if Polygyny was so wrong and a sin and was not Gods will it should have been in this list. Again, Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible against any man marrying more than one wife. Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible that polygyny - The marrying of one husband with more than one wife - two or more - even if the man were already married. Polygyny is the only Biblically accepted form of polygamy. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Ephesians 5:31 King James Version (KJV) 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Genesis 2:24 King James Version (KJV) "They shall be one flesh" is usually brought up in this discussion. It says you can be one flesh with a prostitute. 15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 1 Corinthians 6:15-16 Since a man can become one flesh by laying with a prostitute/harlot (1 Corinthians 6:15-16). The Bible does not say that the one flesh goes away at some point in the future. Then that same person who layed with a harlot then gets married. Now when he gets married he becomes one flesh with his wife (Genesis 2:24). Since the Bible never says the one flesh ever goes away there is a problem. This person is now one flesh with the harlot and is also one flesh with his wife. This means that a man can be one flesh with EACH of his wives. He can be one flesh with wife number one, one flesh with wife number two and he can be one flesh with wife number three. This is true no mater how many wives or concubines he may have. King Solomon was one flesh with each of his 700 wives and one flesh with each of his 300 concubines. I know this is a shocker to you. But it is the truth! Described Vs Prescribed Marriage is both described and prescribed in the Bible. There are three types of biblically sanctioned marriage. The first is Monogamy which is one man with one woman. Isaac and Rebekah were monogamous. Joseph and Asenath were another examble. This is described in the Bible. The second biblically sanctioned marriage is Polygyny. This is where one man marryies more than one wife - two or more wives. This is prescribed in Genesis 38:8. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. You could also help widows by marrying them. The last is concubines. This is a wife that does not have full rights of inheritance. This is described but could be prescribed when you look at how widows should be taken care of. 16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed. 1 Timothy 5 King James Version (KJV) You could also help widows by marrying them. These three types of marriage are ALL not for everyone. But all are ok by the bible. Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible against any man marrying more than one wife. Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible that polygyny - The marrying of one husband with more than one wife - two or more - even if the man were already married. Polygyny is the only Biblically accepted form of polygamy. You said, "You cannot take isolated events and build a Theology"? There are 40 practicing Polygynous families listed in the bible 22 listed my name. These are not isolated incidents. You said, "Did God allow polygamy in the old Testament? I think we can safely say that Yes he did." God does not "allow" sin in any shape or form. If it is sin it is called out. Where? - any where in the bible did God call polygyny sin? . . . There is none. You said, "But is Polygamy Gods perfect will I think we can safely say no it is not." Really . . . now you have the mind of GOD!!
Sooooo??? God put a limit of 1 marriage covenant per man. But without a law of God to say so there's no condemnation. 2 Samuel 12. God giving David his masters kingdom and his masters wives also willing to give him more if that wasn't enough; this is after David got a man killed to get his wife also after they had an affair. So is God immoral for giving David multiple wives & willing to give him even more? David repented of the affair with the married woman and the blood that was on his hands. Where does it say David apologized for having multiple wives? A man and a woman have a major covenant. But because God's law only mentioned Adultery as having an affair with a married woman or a man divorcing his wife for reasons other than her cheating (Matt 5:32) it leaves the mans marriage status freely available to marry as he sees fit. Is God immoral for showing laws of adultery based on whether or not the woman is married? Also by your understanding Jesus can't be moral because each of us has a covenant with Him yet we are all one family married to him. The Lord has a parable about Himself having 2 wives, Ezekiel 23, Ohola & Oholibah. They gave Him sons & daughters. A covenant mentioned again in Jer 31:31 Isreal & Judah. Jesus using the 10 virgins parable in to articulate how we all need to be ready for His return. If polygyny was unlawful or sin He wouldn't use it as an example of why the 10 virgins should be ready for Him the groom. Why would God present such ideas and why was the law written by men of God who had a marriage covenant with her, another covenant with her and her and her? That might be why it is NOT written that it is foolish for a man to have more than 1 wife, no law written to punish a man who married more than 1 wife, no holiness code written to say it's an abomination to God for a man to have more than 1 wife. We need those written in for it to be wrong so it's a condemnation. Like being gay, sleeping with close family, sleeping with a women who is already married, etc.
I dont see a single verse in the bible that says one wife. I been researching this subject. And foud it was a pre Christian greek practice adopted by the church. If done with good intentions it is not a sin. Just a sin to have sex before marriage and not lust. Mary her and no sin. May not be recognized by the government but is by god. Wont go to hell.
Polygamy wasn't a serious sin in the past. King David got in trouble not for having multiple wives but for stealing someone else's. The law never condemned it, but instead legalized it. When God hates something it's obvious ( idolatry, incest etc.). When the Israelites left Egypt God made sure to tell them his position on idolatry and there was no excuse for it. God is almighty, he can protect,and provide even in the most difficult situations without having to compromise.
Nearly every marriage and relationship in the Bible has drama lol
😂 exactly that everything else is wrong makes no sense, but if you want to be in a good relationship with one person,
Is it really true
I don't if you've been told this already but you kind of look like Denzel Washington.
Ha! Almost every day. Lol.
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you do. youre his cousin
Tierra Shanice He kinda do😂
He shall have no comeliness that you may desire him. And certainly not a shit eating grin.
I wouldn't want multiple wives however this video was not convincing brother. You are using self autonomy and not reading the scriptures for what it actually says.
Right! Unsubscribing. This video does it for me. Too may videos from this channel that’s spreading false gospel.
Simply because something is allowed does not mean that something is wise. If we are allowed to make wise decisions, we must also be allowed to make foolish ones. It is often in our foolishness that we gain wisdom.
Well sure. That is why it is unwise for a man to force his current wife to accept polygyny. What is not allowed, is marrying a divorced woman. That is strictly prohibited. Doing so is called adultery.
Daniel DeLuca
Adultery is when a man has sex with a woman who is not his wife, or a woman having sex with a man who is not her husband. Adultery occurs when the sex occurs outside of marriage.
90 & Out Not quite! Adultery always involves a married or divorced woman. What you are talking about, is porneia, which is translated as fornication. In Matt 5:32, Jesus tells us that "whoever marries her that is divorced, commits adultery with her."
Daniel DeLuca stop trying to justify your lust
Daniel DeLuca
Fornication and adultery are synonymous when talking about biblical texts. Both are sexual interactions between individuals who are not married to each other. Fornication generally to sexual interactions prior to getting married. Adultery generally refers to those after one is already is married. However, both involved individuals having sex with people they are not married to. In this way, they are synonymous.
Polygamy isn't really the best, a relationship should be between two people. People will always play favorites so a polygamy can fall apart easily.
Well, multiple relationships exist among people. To those who think polygamy is easy, they are in for a rude awakening, and if you play favorites, you will reap trouble on yourself. Monogamy falls apart FAR more easily than polygamy. I don't see how you can use this argument to suggest that polygamy isn't really the best. I suspect that you have never talked to a real polygamist.
Daniel DeLuca im not saying it cant work in the end, just that it may be really hard n'stuff. If it works out then congrats! Its just a lot harder then other types of relation ships.
Well, I am not claiming that polygyny is for everybody. If it were, the ratio of female to male, would be much higher than it is right now.
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@@danieldeluca4936 - That's not true, what about Peninnah and Hannah? what about Leah and Rebekah? what about Sarah and Hagar? I could go on, there is always favourites and there is always a mess in the marriages for having multiple spouses/partners......since when was Polygamy better than monogamy? you seem to be looking for loop holes for your own gain. Even in the world, those that practise polygamy have miserable and broken relationships, its unnatural because that is not Gods original design.
Allowing Does Not mean APPROVAL!!! People are deceived heavily!!! May Yah lead you to TRUTH!!!!!
But lack of disapproval in the face of copious instances mentioned, sort of kind of INDICATES approval. Commanding polygyny in some instances IMPLIES approval. Indicating that God IS a polygamist, and telling a parable about the groom coming for more than one virgin, where the groom is a resemblance of Christ, PROVES approval. God declaring that a man who intends to take a second wife, does so in the integrity of his heart, is EXPLICIT approval. God giving the wives of David's master into his bosom, is DOWNRIGHT, approval! That is the truth. May the Lord lead you into the truth that you think you have already found.
@@danieldeluca4936 What Yah commands ME has nothing to do what what you just said... What Yah demands me to do is final. To each is own sir But my salvation will be worked out with fear and trembling. Be blessed.
@@DauidaYah God commanded MEN to marry the childless widows of their deceased brothers. That means that if your husband has a brother who marries some wives, and one of them doesn't have any children, and that brother dies, your husband is required to marry her. The only thing you are required to do, is stay faithful to your husband, regardless of how many wives he takes. If you divorce him, you must either remain single, or else be reconciled to him (I Cor 7:10-11) Oh yeah, if he has sex with a virgin, and takes her virginity, and she is not betrothed to another man, he is required to marry her.
@@danieldeluca4936 Yes, it wasnt an option. Suppose that would make it a commandment.
Are you sure your not a hebrew by now lol
@@sinistransgressionofthetor5449 LOL! I am of Italian descent. It was my ancestors who imposed this anti-polygyny travesty onto the Western world. I would never claim to be Hebrew; only a child of God grafted into the vine.
Regardless of the reasons, if something is a sin, it is a sin. Polygamy was NEVER condemned as sin, and they were actual suggestions that it was condoned, , hence, the clear exception to religious leader that, He must be a husband of ONE wife. Before you are quick to say, well, aren't we all leaders, The bible also warns not everyone should assume to be a leader "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." James 3:1
there is no indication anywhere in the Bible to have several wives. On the contrary, there is a very good commandment - do not commit adultery. It covers all aspects related to married life. The commandment is universal without any explanation.
@@IsraelNewTestament if something was a sin, the bible would have CLEARLY called it a sin. How can David who has multiple wives still be seeing as a man after God's own heart? Getting married to more than one wife does not qualify as adultery, so long as the woman wasn't married. Check your bible again.
Polygamy was never part of God’s perfect plan. It was a man and a woman. Hence why Adam had Eve. God would’ve blessed Adam with multiple women if he wanted polygamy. Polygamy comes from the lust and sinful nature us humans have. There are implied sins it doesn’t have to be said word for word in the Bible. The Bible clearly explains that in marriage it’s one man and one woman. Not man and man nor woman and woman. Or either man and multiple women or a women with multiple men.
@@20plusstrong41 david was seen as after God’s own heart because it’s true. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t sin. You know David sinned multiple times right?
@@20plusstrong41 you’re the one that needs to check your Bible again because provide one verse where God himself condoned or promoted polygamy. Not verses that explain that a character in the Bible had multiple wives but provide a verse where God Himself did. You can’t because God never did. There are implied sins
I love the message at the end, yes instead of looking at how Heavenly Father overlooked their act and used them in a bless way, we should be grateful to know that as long as we ask to be filled by the Holy Spirit, Heavenly Father will work through us despite our daily sins. If we only knew how much we sin on a daily basics we would thrive more to be Christ like and not thrive to look for ways to use the Bible to feed our carnal- animal desires. Only Heavenly Father can gives us true guidance, most men nowadays wants polygamy but they are not asking for it because that was the message they receive from the Creator for their lives ! Thank you so much for sharing this message that i receive in an objectif way and not subjectively. Much blessings to you. Merci d exister (French)!
There was no overlooking necessary seeing as He never prohibited or condemned it.
God didn't "overlook" polygamy, he allowed it/endorsed it, which means it wasn't a sin, for sin as scripture states is transgression of Gods law. NOWHERE in scripture is the allowance ever repealed, men do now what the pharisees did then, make up laws and put yolks around mens necks where God didn't. God bless.
Wow
God is too holy and pure to overlook it. Those Bible polygamy people are in hell.
You have to repent and sin no more by Jesus. The grace keep sinning thing is a total lie made by false preachers who don’t teach the truth. They are accountable for false teaching but none of that will do you any good if you never get truth yourself.
Why does God give rules if polygyny - the marrying of more than one wife - is a sin? Why did God not call this sin and tell everyone to not do this? But instead God gave a rule.
15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
Deuteronomy 21:15-17 King James Version (KJV)
If polygyny is sin then why did God tell men - her husband's brother to take her as a wife and to perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her? Does not sound like Sin and it is Prescribed and not Described.
5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
Deuteronomy 25:5 King James Version (KJV)
And God killed Onan for not doing this.
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.
Genesis 38:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
This is not about masterbation like the Catholic Church likes to teach. This is about Onan not getting his brother's wife pregnant by spilling his seed on the ground so that he would not give seed to his brother. Onan did this because he knew that the seed would not be his. This was disobeying God and God killed him.
God Instituted a law here that could constitute polygyny . . . If the brother was already married he still had to marry his brother's wife. That does not sound like Gods's Permissive Will! Maybe that sounds more like His Perfect Will. That, also, sounds more like Prescribed than Described.
You ask, "Which is worse? Polygamy for the man. Prostitution For the woman."
First Polyamy is the wrong word. Polygamy also allows women to have multiple husbands called Polyandry which is definitely not allowed in the bible. That is sin. It is adultery.
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Romans 7:2-3 King James Version (KJV)
So Polyandry is the sin of Adultery.
Now corrected you ask, "Which is worse? Polygyny for the man. Prostitution For the woman."
This premis is all wrong. Polygyny prevents Prostitution for the woman. If all the women who want to be married are married then that will leave very few if any women for prostitution. I am not saying it will end all prostitiution. I am only saying it will help prevent it. This is better than what is currently not working. It is legalized in some states.
3 And Solomon made affinity with Pharaoh king of Egypt, and took Pharaoh's daughter, and brought her into the city of David, until he had made an end of building his own house, and the house of the Lord, and the wall of Jerusalem round about.
1 Kings 3:1 King James Version (KJV)
King Solomon's Sin was marrying strange women that turned his heart away from God. These strange women worshiped with other strange gods. So again nothing was said against polygyny once again.
Greed?? You said it was greed that caused men to marry many wives. God, Jesus or the Bible did not say that. You cannot find that anywhere in God's word. If you are going to say something like this please back it up with scripture. This is pure nonsense.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
Abraham - Genesis -
Hagars contempt for Sarai and Pride were the sins.
5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the Lord judge between me and thee.
Genesis 16:5 King James Version (KJV)
Contempt for a human being is an affront to God almost as grave as idolatry.
Contempt is disrespect for the being He made in His own image. Hagar the handmaid/slave had contempt for Sarai giving her no worth. She attached to Sarai no value whatsoever. A person guilty of appraising a human being of this is thoroughly bad; and for a number of reasons.
Contempt is an emotion possible only where there is great pride. The error in moral judgment that undervalues another always springs out of the error that overvalues oneself. The contemptuous man (in this case the woman Hagar) esteems herself too highly for reasons that are invalid. Her high opinion of herself is not based upon her position as a being made in God's image; she esteems himself for fancied virtues which she does not possess. She is wrong in her attitude toward herself and doubly wrong in her estimation of her fellow man. The error in her judgment is moral, not intellectual.
Hagar felt she was above Sarai. One cannot avoid rendering moral judgment on the deeds of men; and, indeed, she is accountable to do so.
One must reverence the humanity of every man, however degraded, out of appreciation for his divine origin. No one for whom Christ died can be common or worthless. Humanity itself must be honored as the garment assumed by the Eternal Son in the Incarnation. To esteem anyone worthless who wears the form of a man is to be guilty of an affront to the Son of Man. We should hate sin in ourselves and in all men, but we should never undervalue the man or woman in whom the sin is found.
9 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
Genesis 16:9 King James Version (KJV)
God through an Angel told Hagar to return to her Polygynous family. If that were sin God would have struck down that evil family and blessed her and then to help her get away from those evil people. BUT this is not what happened. God sent her back to her family. God said nothing about polygyny being a sin. It would have been a great opportunity.
Jacob - Genesis 34 - Shechem's sin was at best fornication at worst the Rape of Dinah. But because he took her I think it was rape.
Shechem Hamor's son an Hivite, uncircumcised meaning a nonbeliever raped Dinah the daughter of Leah and Jacob.
2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.
Genesis 34:2 King James Version (KJV)
14 And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us:
Genesis 34:14 King James Version (KJV)
They became the Seven Enemies of Israel in the Promised Land. They included the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
Esau married a Hivite which griefed Issac and Rebekah.
34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:
35 Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.
Genesis 26:34-35 King James Version (KJV)
This is another reason why Dinah an Israelite could not marry the Hivites besides being raped.
Elkanah - 1 Samuel 1 -
Peninnah's sin was not loving Hannah.
There were two wives Hannah and Peninnah (1 Samuel 1:2). Hannah did not have children at first. Hannah prayed and said she wanted a male child and she would give him unto the Lord all the days of his life (1 Samuel 1:11). She bare a son Samuel (1 Samuel 1:20). Peninnah did not treat Hannah with love - Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Hannah had a sorrowful spirit (1 Samuel 1:15) and fret (1 Samuel 1:6), wept and grieved (1 Samuel 1:7-8) because she wanted a male child. Hannah's sorrowful spirit was made worse because of Peninnah's sin (1 Samuel 1:6).
21 He evil entreateth the barren that beareth not: and doeth not good to the widow.
Job 24:21 King James Version (KJV)
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Galatians 5:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:8 King James Version (KJV)
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans 13:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
James Yoder Stfu!! Why is it that you men always think women are here for your pleasure?? Oh and its only adultery if women have more than one man? Please!!!! God didnt create Adam and Eve and then decide ohhh man has such a weakness for women’s flesh so i will allow him as many women as he wants! Bs!!! Polygamy is man made not God made!!! Period!!!
@@twade39 Well God did say it was because women came from men so men will rule over them and also that Eve (the first woman) first ate the apple and so God said that man will rule over women as punishment.
If it is not forbidden in the law,keep silent. stop adding your personal understanding and emotions to the law. Show in the law where it is forbidden. These white roman and Greek loving americans started this one man,one woman bs.
I mean God also tolerated/allowed incest , stoning, murder, wars, slavery, and a whole bunch of poor human driven behaviors . But he also established clear rules about how he feels and wants us to act . Tolerate and acceptance are not the same . I am still learning how to navigate reading the Bible -especially since at times, there are things that sound like contradictions to me
That’s why I wanna be an atheist. Religion is problematic sorry not sorry
@@leilamuhommad3528 The only problem with that, is the fact that there IS a God.
Where does God tolerate incest, (unlawful) stoning, murder (when the 10 commandments explicitly says thou shalt not murder?), slavery (God delivered Israel from being slaves in Egypt)?
War is not always bad: if the enemy comes and attacks your country, you will have to defend it. But there is never war without evil: one side or both sides are evil. But if one side is good, and is fighting for righteousness sake (e.g. Jehoshaphat, although he didn't fight), there is no sin there.
If you have actual questions, and are not just trying to pick a fight against the Bible, then perhaps I can help resolve your supposed contradictions.
@@leilamuhommad3528 but there is god
So was polygamy just as sinful then as it is considered now? Because the Muslims don't think so!
Well God never intended for man to wear clothes either, but we are wearing it now. Fact.
Because of sin...
amennn
Danny Macoi exactly :)
WHAT!? I’ll wait for you to show scriptures and give an exegesis
@@vio3366 And we could say the same thing about marriage.
Dude, the entire family foundation of the Bible is based in Polygyny, you are talking nonsense and you are speaking for God with no scriptural or historical basis. God himself said He gave David all his wives, and would have given him more if he only asked. That’s more than permissible. Fact is the Hebrews and early Christians practice polygyny for at least 500 years after Jesus Christ. It was the Pagan Romans that outlawed it. You don’t have to like it, and no one is forced to participate a plural marriage. But my brothers and sisters in Christ please stop denying the reality of the scriptures and facts of the Original Hebrew culture. They are not the only human culture to practice it, maybe it is beneficial and wise in certain circumstances and some people. It’s definitely not a sin according to the Bible.
Jacob, who was renamed Israel, married Leah by accident in Genesis 29:21-25. Then he married his true love, Rachel in Gen.29:26-30. Then Rachel told Jacob in Gen.30:1-4 to marry Bilhah. In Gen.30:9, Jacob married Zilpah. Therefore he had 4 wives at one time. NONE of them had a marriage license. None of them went to a preacher or a courthouse or to any government for permission or to pay fees. They simply had sex, and were instantly considered by GOD and by each other to be officially married. Each of these 4 women gave birth to the children of Israel, the 12 tribes.
All 12 tribes were ordained to be born by these 4 women. Jacob did not sin by having sex with these women. It was NOT against the will of GOD. It was supposed to happen and was approved by The Almighty. Is Polygamy pleasing and acceptable to GOD? Yes, It was pleasing & acceptable to GOD for Jacob to marry all 4 women. If he had not done so, then 12 tribes of Israel would not exist. It was GOD's Will.
What does the bible say about Polygyny in the NEW TESTAMENT??? Is 👍🏾 or 👎🏾?
Wow... you should do a video. More info is needed to be discussed and debated here. This is a very interestingly put... 🤔
You are absolutely right brother except for the part when you said they "only had sex and were considered married by God." Absolutely not so! Sex doesn't make marriage. What makes marriage is the formal allowance of the parents of the woman, especially the father. Your example of Jacob and his wives is very true and also confirms what i say. The 2 servants were already under Leah and Rachel, therefore, the parents issue doesn't apply. Be blessed brother, that was a great input.
Servant Michael also you can read my response the above statements are not correct at all please read my response
Nathan Taylor please read my comments to you below
The bottom line, if you need more than one wife, then you're not in love. Simple!
I hope youre a female saying this
"The joining of a man and a woman" is a statement that a man and a woman are joined, it says nothing about not joining with other people, just that these specific two are joined. So this video is basically saying "The Bible condones polygamy, but we suggest you stick with monogamy because plygamy can cause drama."
Not for me but thats exactly what I got out of this . 🤣
Very good point
You need to ask yourself why do you so badly want to justify polygamy? It’s your flesh.
Christianity says: God allowed polygyny because there was a shortage of men....
Christianity also says; Don't marry an unbeliever....
Christianity (and the world) says: there is 8% to 20% more women in churches then men....
Christianity: says polygamy is a sin, there is enough men in the world today...
Conclusion: if you are a single Christian woman looking for a husband, good luck!
Great points. I am a Baptist, and sometimes we Baptists can forget that our leaders are not infallible.
Daniel DeLuca whats infallubale??
@@KaneCiticani I don't know? I can tell you what "infallible" means, if you would like, or you can do a google search.
Deuteronomy 25:5-6 commands polygamy if a man already has a wife. God is concerned about our heart towards him and in relationships love (Gen. 29:31-32; Eph. 5:28). We read that king David had many wives (2 Sam. 5:13) and still “walked in his ways, to do that which is right in [his] eyes” (1 Kings 11:33) and had a perfect heart with the Lord (1 Kings 15:3) except in one matter (1 Kings 15:5). And aside from Bathsheba, no stated issues arised stemming from him having many wives. In Deuteronomy 17:17, the reason a king may not take on “many” wives is “lest [their] heart turn away.” And the exact amount is not specified. In 2 Chronicles 24:2-3 we also see another king who did what was right in the Lord’s eyes who had two wives chosen for him by a priest.
Lastly, in Moses day, they were already abiding by the "one flesh" principle (Deut. 8:3) but this didn't mean you couldn't be married in the sight of the Lord with two wives (Deut. 21:15).
Great points! However, David didn't only have wives, he also had many concubines and that also appeared to be alright.
And David sent his friend to die? So are you saying that’s okay? Lol
Are you also saying we can stone women because it happened in the Old Testament? Are you saying if you’re married you can lust after another woman and pursue her while you already have a wife at home?
I appreciate this comment, thank you! Really good points because I really don’t think it matters with God, he’s just concerned about the heart and one of his kids to know just how much he loves them, regardless
@@101marsi You neglected the fact that it says "except in the case of Uriah the Hittite." Everything else David did was right in God's eyes.
Duet 25: 5-6 doesn't command polygamy. It doesn't say the other brother is married. You are reading that into the text. Allen is correct genesis explicitly states what marriage should be.
"Every time a man practiced polygamy, drama ensued"... Well, two things: one, we only get records of drama, and not of "nothing to report", no matter what the topic is; and two... I can tell you from experience that even one wife alone causes drama on an unfathomable scale!!!
I’m sure your wife feels the same way about you. Should rather be asking yourself why she is causing all that drama on an “unfathomable scale.”
I agree with @fernieG so much negative feeling coming through @kano comment and god does talk about how a wife should not nag. So it could be the choices in women that @kano is making. Maybe he didn’t pray for confirm with god as who his spouse would be or maybe not tending to his women properly be blessed
@@lexd9805 Or maybe he’s the problem, ever think of that?
Facts 🤣
@@lexd9805 God*
Just be clear that he solely allowed this to men. No one woman in the Bible was given two husbands.
Allen, everything I watch your videos I m just amazed at how effectively you can break down a heavy topic. Thank you so much. And praise God for this gift he has given you
Man! You have no discernment! Allen Parr relied on one logical fallacy after another.
Sounds like very loose interpretations. I believe we create more rules and trouble for ourselves by listening to things like this
So God punished all sin amongst His people but “tolerated” polygamy for some odd reason? Why would he single out and tolerate this one “sin” yet punish all others?
Because while this did result in negative outcomes for everyone who has done polygamy (could be viewed as a punishment but that’s interpretation), this did still result in some positive outcomes such as women being protected by being supported by a man as opposed to having to provide for herself through prostitution.
Yes, God may have tolerated polygamy, but there’s specific reasons for it that Allen described better then I just did.
@@andrewrogers3067 There was no law against it.
Where there is no law there is no sin.
therefore not a sin.
God wouldnt tolerate any sin. and wouldve just commanded them to take care of the women. God words are timeless and he doesnt change. if he wouldve tolerated it back then he would do it today as well.
@@DaddyAZTL Deuteronomy 17:17 Don’t multiply wives
@@andrewrogers3067 1. that was for kings . 2. david have 8 wives that was given to him by God. also Kings cannot have a ABOUNDANCE of wives.
2 Samuel 12:8
King James Version
8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
Why was polygamy allowed? Marriage was to be a lasting bond between two persons. (Matthew 19:5) By the time God organized the Israelites into a nation and gave them the Law, polygamy had become a common practice. Thus, though God didn’t originate polygamy, he provided laws to regulate it. When the Christian congregation was formed, God’s Word clearly prohibited polygamy! (1Timothy 3:2)
God tolerated certain things until his time to correct them. (Romans 9:22-24) Jesus showed that God had temporarily tolerated improper marriage customs as a “concession” made out of regard for Israel’s “hardheartedness.” (Matthew 19:8; Proverbs 4:18)
Each marriage is a joining of one man and one woman, but who’s to say you can’t be in multiple marriages. By the very way he described those marriages would have happened at different times and been between one man and one Woman each. Does god condone adultery under circumstances? No so if it was not his will why would be condone polygyny! Stop making God say what you want him to.
Wow, another fucking know it all. Yet your god allowed David and Solomon to have hundreds of wives and concubine. Solomon recognized as the wisest and alleged to have been given all his riches by this god because he chose wisdom over money. David as one who is described as following god's own heart. Yet god also cause the first child with Bathsheba to miscarry. Isn't that called abortion? You're the asshole that is trying to make god what you want him to be. Maybe you should just shut the fuck up.
David Amendola
Who care what you think?
David Amendola
Jesus doesn’t teach us anything. You have words written down in a book. The gospels you use were written anonymously. Matthew and Luke were largely copied (plagiarized) from the author of Mark The. You have a dud who saw a something in the sky and suddenly became a Christian. This same guy is quoted as saying that after Jesus resurrected he showed himself to the twelve. Apparently he was so misinformed that he didn’t know Judas had hung himself or was it that he fell headlong and his bowels split open? So dude got that information completely wrong. If he has such a simple thing incorrect, why should anyone listen to what else he says? It is well documented that many of these so called letters from paul that appear in your bible are forgeries. Peter saw a vision of animals in the sky and suddenly changed thousands of years of Jewish tradition. What kind of credibility is that?
You know what? I saw a vision in the clouds today and it was you and it appears you are an asshole who doesn’t know what the fuck your taking about. My suggestion is that you shut the fuck up and ride on out of here on that donkey your riding. That’s a bit ironic. An ass riding ass.
@@sidepot Interesting points. We do have a high degree of certainty about the authorship of Luke. I believe the claim about Matthew's authorship, stems from the fact that it uses a different name when speaking of a tx collector who left his practice to follow Christ. If you had read the rest of that passage in Acts chapter 1, you would have known that there was a replacement for Judas, decided upon by the apostles, casting lots to decide between two men who met stringent qualifications.
Peter was able to perform miracles, so I give his credibility, when it comes to visions, higher marks than Ken King's vision. The same thing goes for the prophets who dreamed dreams and saw visions. Daniel comes to mind, as someone who not only dreamed dreams, but claims that Gabriel explained the meaning of his dreams.
You really ought to chill out a bit! Your rhetoric is way over the top! We need less of that hostility in this crazy messed up world. Oh, and if someone cuts you off on the road, while driving home from work, instead of yelling at them and flipping them off, try smiling and waving with more than the middle finger.
@@danieldeluca4936
Your high degree of certainty is complete bullshït. Ancient books written in highly educated Greek. None of the original manuscripts exist fucking moron. None of the gospels authors are truly known. They are all anonymous. How many centuries until we have a complete manuscript?
You’re an idiot.
polygyny not polygomy
@N Jana 😂
@N Jana *Polygamy:* just means more than one husband or wife.
*Polyamory:* more than one husband.
*Polygyny:* more than one wife
Yah Is Good All The Time not to be confused with polygeny
Polygony
Yes polygyny
Condemning something as sin that God did not condemn as sin is to put yourself as judge in place of God. Polygamy is never condemned as sin by God, a prophet of God, or Jesus… therefore it is not a sin.
Men can't deal with a single wife... many even run away... and they want more? This is depravity
Then men that CAN deal with a single wife, want more than one. Men who cannot deal with one wife, should probably never marry until they figure out that it is a lie that husbands and wives are to submit to each other. The admonition to submit to one another, is yanked out of context. It only applies to fellow believers, not husbands and wives!
That does it. You just got a new suscriber. I love the way you word things. Keep up the great work for the glory of the Lord
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He tickled your ears huh! Way to demonstrate a lack of discernment!
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@@thebeatagp why did you contradict yourself saying that polygamy wasn't in God's will? You said it was in his permissive will, not his perfect will. Then 10 seconds later you said it wasn't in his will. Isn't any will of God perfect? I guess it wasn't God's will to have people killed. I guess it wasn't in God's will to have men marry their brothers wife either. I'm not saying that a man should have more than one wife. The bible definitely has polygamy in God's will. God himself is said two have two wives. Even Gods marriage has drama so I would think that it is unavoidable for humans. God knows how to tell us not to do something. Though shalt no kill. Written by God himself. I never saw though shalt not marry more than one woman.
Another fucking donkey following along. The good guys lost another to this charlatan. Happy trails you dumbass.
Using your law of first mention we should look at the first time having more than one wife was mentioned in the Bible. Interestingly it wasn't with Adam, which would have supported the whole "God instituted it to raise seed" excuse. The first mention is with Lamech, a descendant of Cain.
That was Parr's Law, and Parr likes to use it to bash polygamy.
Law of first prove all these things to be evil! Children because of cain and abel. Wives are evil cause she lead him into sin. Snakes are evil for temting eve. Knowledge is evil cause of the laws of first, farming is evil because of cain, music, metalwork and animal husbandry because of lamechs sons. This is amazingly bad logic and horrible Hermeneutics. Stop talking now please. Law of firsts what a joke. You need some discernment. I also see people talking about wisedom on these comments, God is the voice of wisedom, all knowledge comes from him. So if God thought something wise we would have a proverb for it. He doesn't lead us into snares but delivers us from them. God's way isn't American's way. Israel's laws were from God not man. I think they were closer to wisedom than we are. Men and woman are not the same. Woman are to remain silent in church, and ask their husbands at home. You aint polygyny people probably hate that verse too. But God plainly shows us men and woman are different. Man can have many wives. A wife can only be a wife to one man! Our tradition of one man one woman isn't a biblical one it's a roman/greek one. What does Jesus speak of about traditions of men. Also let me ask you who say it is the lust of the flesh to have multiple wives. Have you ever been married? Do you know what it is to be married. To be selfless, to put someone else before yourself. To take an oath to never quit even when the person makes you crazy. We are all flawed we have our moments that drive others crazy. Having a wife is noble and good. Having a second wife is noble and good. Taking care of multiple wives for your life is noble and good. Divorce is not noble or good. Sleeping around is not noble or good. But the last 2 are prevalent in the modern chruch another greek/roman tradition. Marriage isn't about sex, but sex is a part of marriage. If you feel marriage is all about sex I truly pity you, for you will have no joy. Marriage is about love, biblical love. The love Jesus has for the chruch. Antipolygyny people can't show God is against polygyny, only that he is against divorce. And these same people have probably been divorced.
Daniel DeLuca I wudnt say he’s bashing it he’s just discouraging it
He didn’t call it a sin, calling it a sin would be “bashing” to me
@@bogdawson2323 I think I understand you. This law of first mention is really problematic. I was just thinking that initially God did not give us permission to eat meat but later did after there was already a polygamic practice. So really I dont get this mans conclusion.
@@siviwesigwela1 the point I was making is the law of firsts is made up nonsense! It isn't sound doctrine and shouldn't be taught! Also Ii think the burden of proof falls on those who wish to make polygyny a sin/wrongful. The bible clearly show us polygyny and never condemns or speaks against it. Polydandry is clearly condemned as adultery. The bible is the instructions in all righteousness, if the bible is silent then it doesn't effect your righteousness and therefore isn't evil, sin or wrong. Men want to teach traditions of men, that being greek and roman ideologies. All to often people go to the bible with a biase, and a premade mindset of what it says and read it that way. When reading the bible you need to be blank and let it teach you what it means, it has context and meaning you don't need to add to it. It is perfectly sufficient to guide you in all righteousness. I have always found it most amusing when anti-polygyny people take you to the time Jesus was talking about divorce and wife replacement and say it's talking about polygyny. I wonder how Jesus feels about how people twist his words. Most men can only have 1 wife, because you have to provide for them. You have to feed them, shelter them, cloth them, fullfill their needs emotionally and physically. Most men don't have the means to do that. So they trade in their wives like old cars, that is what Jesus was talking about. Leaving these old wives in destitution, well they take a new younger beauty as a bride. Being married is a life long obligation whether you have one covenant or 2 or 3. But the more you take the more responsibility you take because you have to fulfill all the things I've listed above. If you think it's about sex, you couldn't be more wrong. It's more about being a rock for others to lean on. I'm pretty sure players have more sex and far less stress and responsibility than any polygamist. So if polygamist were in it for the sex, they should abort and just be a player. Dr. Luck has done some great video's on polygyny and give even more evidence in the trial against polygyny. They are available on RUclips.
I think the basics of the issue is: if you can afford to support and treat several wives equally, God doesn't have anything against it, but if you are going o show favoritism, you should stick to one wife. I don't know why people say that Jesus did not contradict the Mosaic Law, when He clearly did. The mere coordinating conjunction "but" in His teachings ("you have heard that it was said... but I say to you") is a clear grammatical sign of a contradiction being expressed.
The Messiah never contradicted what was written. He simply gave the full and complete understanding of what was written by also stating the heart or spirit of the instruction. Example, murder is based on hating someone without a cause or adultery is based on lusting after another man’s wife in your heart.
TheLHshowChannel I see a problem with that scripture. The hebrews understanding of adultry by law was having sex with a married woman. It was based on the woman's marital status. Now that scripture says... you have heard it from old do not commit adultry but I tell you whoever lust after a woman commits adultry in his heart... now here's my problem the word lust means to have a strong desire for in your heart and it says whoever which means any man married or not desires to have a woman commits adultry in his heart. If the man is single and so is the woman how can there be adultery? You have to be married for that. The word woman here in the Greek is γύνη goo-nay it means woman especially a wife maybe woman here should be wife.
you have heard it from old do not commit adultry but I tell you whoever lust after a wife commits adultry in his heart.
Contradiction or completion of the law?
Hear and learn. Marriage belongs to God and he set the rules of marriage to mirror the rules of marriage between Christ and his bride the church and man and his bride the wife
God gave some men more than one wife at a time.
@@danieldeluca4936 God gave, or man took?
@@billybob1831 God didn’t condemn a man having more than one wife as long as it was done lawfully
@@October-qz2jv As far as I'm aware, God never condemned anyone having more than one wife anywhere in the Bible, so unless you can show me one instance from Scripture, your argument is invalid.
@@billybob1831 I agree no argument
I sorry but this sounds like double talk to me. If God gave David all his wives and then told him He would have given him more of he wanted more than that sounds like God approved of polygamy. To say otherwise is to say God is confused & transgresses Himself.
Thank you! I'm so tired of man deciding what God means. He clearly told King David that He(God) had given him Saul's wives and would have given him more if they were not enough. I'm so sick of man trying to play God.
@Flood Light It wasn't sin either.
@Flood Light So did God sin by showing them which person should be anointed as King?
@Flood Light I don't see anything is Scripture to back up your assertion that anything that is not the will of God is sin.
@Flood Light You posted a verse?
People always point to Adam & Eve and say that God intended one man & woman and I always think "Well there was only one and one woman to begin with" But Polygamy starts as early as Genesis 4:19 with Lamech. That's the first recorded polygamous marriage.
Also every marriage has drama so I gotta disregard that point
I think the truth is pretty easy to figure out. I think the problem is more a culture perspective. In the modern day the primary motivation for marriage is love. But historically people did not usually marry for love. Marriage was more of social contract/union between two people. If you can see that marriage initially had nothing to do with being in love or wanting sex (ie. Adam & Eve) then it's easy to see why polygamy is not a problem. And why God even gives instructions about how to take on multiple wives. The sole reason for God creating Eve was so that man would not be alone. Companionship. Now love is a natural result of companionship but not the sole primary motivation for companionship.
I'm in a monogamous relationship but I don't see from the bible that polygamy is sin. I also think that it's wrong to assume that reason for polygamy is strictly sex. I've spoken to people in polygamous relationship and from both the man and woman sex was not part of the reason for taking another wife. In fact sometimes the woman would invite another woman into the relationship. Again if you don't see marriage from the point of view of the primary focus being to be loved by someone else, and see marriage more as a economic, social, and familiar partership, polygamy in some cases makes all the sense in the world
Lamech was a wicked man who took his wives in celebration of a murder. Guy is not exactly the model for marital bliss. In addition to the fact that men with many wives were at greater risk for adultery, both spiritually and physically.
@@jazzb3371 And David was a man after God's own heart and monogamous men commit adultery too. So again there's nothing that suggest that monogamy guarantees and leads to the less likelihood of adultery. The question is, is polygamy wrong? And there is nothing suggested in the scriptures that it's wrong. Righteous men in the bible were polygamous and righteous men in the bible were monogamous. It doesn't seem as if how many wives a men has determines his righteousness is all I'm saying
7 women for every man the last i heard........these women will be begging to cling to the same man when the shtf. Isaiah 4:1
“And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.”
No. The Y chromosome itself is disappearing. Men are not needed until they are needed.
@@jacob777jacob You are an old earther! By the time this Y chromosome disappears, Christ will have no doubt returned and set up His kingdom on earth. DNA has a self-correcting mechanism.
Daniel DeLuca Christ returning? Dude really? Lol.
The Y Chromosome does not. As it has only 45 genetics compared to the X Chromosomes 2,000. The Y Chromosome is declining is a scientific fact. As it has no importance really besides the SRY gene that creates the male - male. However, the X Chromosome is what is needed.
@@jacob777jacob Titus 2:13
@@danieldeluca4936 I don’t care about the Bible bro. I’m just saying. The Bible proves nothing.
Godly and true Christian people do NOT exercise drama in marriage. Considering that monogamous marriage is plagued with high divorce rate, swinging, not wearing wedding rings and cheating on one another does not make monogamous marriage the ideal marriage. Don't confuse fallen humans with problems in any kind of marriages.
GOD'S WILL VS GOD'S PERFECT WILL. Good play on words there.
Thank you, your description made so much sense. It's something that's been on my mind from time to time and I believe I Now understand. I especially like the point about the "first-time mentioned", that will help me when I have non non-christians asking those questions.
Sheila Dogoodgirl it seems polygyny is allowed.
Polygyny is a mans right to have more than one wife.
Nothing for women though
@a scripturally men can have multiple wives.God himself permits it quite a few times in scripture, addressing it directly, its never changed either. Even Christ illustrates his 2nd coming as a man marrying 10 virgins, 5 who were ready, and 5 get left behind. Our marriage to Christ is a GOOD AND GLORIOUS thing, just like marriage between a man, and 5-10 virgins.God bless.
The so-called "Law of first mention" is a horrible hermeneutic! Even so, what crime did Lamech commit?
Polygamy violates 'the two shall be one flesh.'"
Neither God nor Moses saw any violation or contradiction of Genesis 2:24 to the law which not only allowed polygamy, but, as was seen earlier, in some cases commanded it. It would be strained exegesis to say that God, in Genesis 2:24, is establishing some kind of monogamous law that excludes, or somehow condemns, polygamy.
Exegetically and contextually, Jesus' point, in Matthew 19:4-6, when he cites Genesis 2:24, is the indissolubility of marriage, for He says, "Therefore, what God has joined together, let not man separate." The expression "one flesh," insofar as it relates to the structure of marriage, refers to the indissolubility of a man and his wife within a marriage, whether it be monogamous or polygamous. This was our Lord’s point in quoting the Genesis passage, and in no way condemns polygamy.
Now what about Saint Paul's expression 'one flesh'? Far from being a certain revelation concerning monogamy, the Pauline usage would illustrate, rather the broadness and flexibility of this Old Testament expression. For Paul, this unity in the 'flesh' is not confined to the conjugal union of one husband and one wife, nor is it limited to the bonds of kinship. Even a man who joins himself to a prostitute becomes 'one flesh' with her (1 Corinthians 6:16-17). This kind of unity is obviously not exclusive in the way that a monogamous union is supposed to be, for a man can become 'one flesh' with any number of prostitutes. According to this use of the expression, it would follow also that a man becomes 'one flesh' with more than one wife in a society which accepts this form of marriage. If a sinful prostitute can become "one flesh" with many men, then why would it be inconceivable that a godly man like David could have been "one flesh" with the wives God gave him?
Individually, each Christian that is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him (1 Corinthians 6:17). Just as another Christian’s union with Christ does not, in any way destroy the oneness of my union with Christ, so it is that a man may be one flesh with more than one wife. Christ knows, receives, and becomes one Spirit with His virgin(s) (Matt. 25:1-13).
It is important to recall that the real background to marriage in ancient Israel, the background against which the biblical passages on marriage are to be seen, was the larger community of the family and the clan. Marriage was not understood primarily in terms of the husband-wife relationship, and certainly not in terms of an exclusive relationship between only two persons. Marriage was regarded as a social instrument required for the preservation and continuation of families and clans. Through daughters being married into different families, there was a mutual strengthening of kinship bonds-each family giving its own flesh and blood to other families.
"Flesh" has a wider social or kinship meaning found frequently in the Old Testament (cf. Gen. 29:14; 37:27; Lev. 18:6; Judges 9:2; 2 Sam. 5:1; 19:12-13; Neh. 5:5; Isa. 58:7). 'One flesh', is not confined exclusively to only two persons. The several children of one mother are 'one flesh' with her, by reason of their unity in generation and in maternal love. The relationship between the mother and each child, respectively, may even be regarded as a union of 'two' in 'one flesh', without thereby excluding the other children from this same relationship with their mother. So, by reason of a socially valid polygamous marriage, a man may be conjugally united with each of his wives, respectively, as 'two' in 'one flesh'-both in a carnal sense and in terms of kinship.
Amen!
I am so confused... I sometimes try to understand all this as it Jesus came to correct all old testament, thanks for your written!
@Saved Princess Women don't decide what God's Law is by their whims. The only thing that goes against the Law of Love that we are under, is forcing a woman to accept polygamy. Take away the compulsion, and there is no law against it!
@@danieldeluca4936 men also don’t decide what God’s law is on the whim. God is the one who creates these laws not mankind.
@@saigie3908 God never created a law against polygyny or even remotely condemned it!
this still didn't say it was a sin.god never said it was a sin
shane hester Its against gods perfect will. However, he permits it. The question to us is whether we want to act according to his perfect will or act permissively. It's in the gray area between what God wants and what he doesn't which would be labeled as sin. He doesn't really want it for us but he will accept it if it's our wish. I hope my interpretation is clear.
I think he did. It says he overlooked their sins speaking of the old testament time. And said It was the hardness of their hearts that caused them to take more than one . Jesus. Said what? I tell you it was not meant to be , regarding the matter .
Darn it . Haha
Polygamy doesn't fit the real definition of marriage neither does it fit the changed Religious version of marriage.
carbon273 God's PERFECT will is spelled out in Rom 12:2, which says nothing about how many wives a man should have.
paul joe Jesus NEVER said that it was the hardness of men's hearts that caused them to take more than one. That is flat out DISHONEST!!! The "because your hearts were hard" clause that Jesus was directly referring to was immediately preceded by the clause "permitted you to divorce your wives". You falsely attributed words to none other than Jesus Christ, that He never said! How sad!
Ill have to disagree. God will not cause a man to sin. He specifically gave men multiple wives. It's not a sin. There will be drama regardless of whether there is one or multiple wives
Good video! I would have to say the crux of the argument, as you laid it out, is the law of first mention (as well as a secondary 'whenever it is mentioned it is not in a positive light'). As for the law of first mention, to use that as a primary reason in the way it is here, one could make an argument that because marriage is between one man and one woman, a person could not remarry after the death of a spouse because they were already married once (Genesis 1-2), which is unbiblical. I wouldn't hinge the answer to this on either reason given here. However, I do like the fact that he is tackling the issue and making people think.
The first mention of marriage is between Adam and Eve. It could be said that Adam married ALL the available women. This argument is a false argument by someone who has not done a deep study of the Word of God. He treats the issue superficially and without regard for the meaning of the words as they were meant by the writers.
@@glennbraunstein6702 Good point. Adam did marry ALL the available women. That's one more reason why Genesis 1-2 can't be used - in my opinion - to deny polygyny or mandate monogamy. As for Jesus in the Gospels harkening back to the creation, the point Jesus made in referencing back to it had to do with divorce, not even broaching the subject of plural wives. I wish people who wish to argue against this topic would stop using this as a rationale.
@@ChristopherColegrove1983 Excellent points ! I am yet to hear valid explanations for any of what you've suggested. There seems to be confusion in differentiating polygamy, fornication, and adultery. Adultery and sex outside of marriage VIOLATES spiritual law and covenant. It is why Paul said the marriage bed is undefiled and goes on to mention adulterous and whoremongers being condemned (which is a common theme in scripture). Scripture emphasizes our COMMITMENT to the established covenant of marriage with GOD and then our spouses. So one has to argue the terms of marriage covenant and not only who gets to participate based on scripture. It's interesting how the argument becomes so liberal when discussing remarriage even though the Bible clearly constitutes this as a breech and violation of covenant.
@@RearviewWisdom Well, the only condemnation for remarriage, is when the wife is the one who was divorced. It never says that it is adultery to marry a man who is divorced, unless the man initiates the divorce with a wife who had not committed fornication! Even the language in the original Greek calls that interpretation into question.
God provided clear guidelines in the Torah if a man wants to take a second wife - Exodus 21:10. Now if the argument is that men in the Torah with multiples wives ended up with problems then how do you defend those with one wife and yet facing marital problems? The argument is a flaw. God never condemned anyone with many wives. Monogamy or polygamy is neither implicit or explicit as God's standard of marriage. It down to individual preference. Don't we have many women today who can't afford basic needs like that of the old who may need husbands to care for them?
Scripture is an offense to those who don’t want to believe it.
It’s one man and one woman. Adam and Eve. It’s not Adam and Steve and it’s also not Adam and eves!
You probably just want multiple wives because you have a sinful lust issue.
God also provided clear guidelines in the Torah regarding restitution and the wages of prostitution but it doesn’t mean He supports theft and whoredom.
And yet still statistic shows over 50% of divorce and this is monogamy divorce. So if polygamy cause issues why is there this high percentage of divorce? And still we are technically polygamy cause though a man is not married to a woman sex is done with several women in the same man even women have had sex with several men before getting married. Would it not be better to just commit in a marital basis?
Why would ANY man want multiple wives telling them its their turn to take the trash out instead of just one?! Ones enough for me lol jk God blessed me with all i could ever hope for in a partner through my wife, im eternally grateful
It’s not like that more like now you got two to do things for you
@@arturocastillejos73 he sees so much value in his woman and doesn’t feel the need for another one that’s his business and everyone has their own lives , not everyone is lucky enough to find their person it’s a very beautiful experience and I feel sorry for those who haven’t and close themselves off to this experience. God bless.
Your response is priceless
It’s ethical and the true meaning of devotion
To forsake all
Others all other “gods”
For your one love who you devote yourself to
It’s the image of our devotion to the Lord and him
Being our one and only God
Some men are called to care for , and be blessed by many set apart women
And produce righteous offspring
@@azezheavenlylifestyle1974 God doesn't forsake all others! You have got things backwards. The only ones who are biblically required to forsake all others, are the wives!
Thanks so much for your intervention l have listen to many preacher on this topic
Thank you very much for clearing this because the people that explain it to me keep agreeing but they don’t look at those parts they only look at that gods allow it thank you thank you I know I wasn’t being emotional thanks exactly
How can you say that he cleared it up, when he ignored so much of what Scripture has to say about it, and clearly misrepresented what it actually does say?
@@danieldeluca4936 what did I say that was bad exactly
@@linnag3117 You claimed that he cleared it up, when in fact, he resorted to the same logical fallacies everyone else uses, when they try to read an anti-polygamy narrative into Scripture. It simply isn't there! I have pointed this out in numerous comment here on this video, and Parr has no response whatsoever. Zip. Nada!
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I think people who defend it simply want to do it lol its the only way haha
One fact:
*The most High loves the Children of Israel, who come from the 12 tribes. Keep in mind, those tribes wouldn't exist, if Jacob didn't have multiple wives.*
You underestimate the sexual drives of ancient Jerusalem. Just look at Leah. That Woman wasn't in want of children. Just her husband's affection.
@@jazzb3371 Jacob was not from Jerusalem! That was where the Jebusites lived.
So I guess God could "overlook" a polygamy today, if He "overlooked" it in the past. Somehow our churches and leaders can't seem to overlook it, however. What a contorted explanation!
God does not “overlook” sin. He wouldn’t have overlooked polygamy in His people if it was in violation of His will for them.
@@unclerhombus I did put the word "overlook" in quotes, because that was the word Parr used in his video. The point I was trying to make, was that even if we were generous and somehow, some way, we missed something, and that it is a sin, it cannot be as sinful as people make it out to be. The leader in our Bible Study class reached that same conclusion,, simply by realizing that Daniel condemned Belshazzar for many deeds, but while he mentioned that the king had many wives, he never condemned him for it.
He went to theology nonsense to learn how to add and take away from the Bible, he want to follow his wife instead of God , hope his wife save him on the last days or when he face the Lord
Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
How do you know he has a wife? Are you saying this because you don't want polygram to be a sin?
You meant to say polygamy. Two forms of polygamy are sinful, and the only people I see arguing in favor of those two forms, are those who are against the third form, which is not sinful, namely polygyny.
@@Nothin2seehere-e4z lmao polygram 🤣🤣🤣
Daniel DeLuca so u r saying polygny is sinful
I can easily show you equally the same problems in monogamy! The Law of first mention is a bunch of theology Bull! The bottom line is sin is the transgression of the law, so SHOW ME THE LAW that condemns polygyny? I have a $1000 dollars that says you cannot show me!
PastorDowell The Most High even created laws on how to treat additional wives.
Bible says nothing about a woman having more than one husband either. Is what's good for the goose also good for the gander? I'm confused. Maybe it's, is what's good for the gander good for the goose?
A woman can't have more than one husband according to the bible.
Jesus himself said that the TWO shall become one flesh. He didn't say three or five or eleven. Jesus clearly said TWO. That means anything other than two isn't according to God's plan, but only the hardness of men's hearts. Please email me for mailing instructions for my thousand dollars. Unless you don't believe Jesus knows what he's talking about, or that Jesus doesn't know the will of God. But of course you'll try to explain that Jesus didn't mean what he said, and you'll add to his words to twist his meaning. It was very straightforward and simple. Jesus said two, not any other number in a marriage.
One Person Exodus 21:10
[10]If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
God called us for a holy life
Very true.
Yes indeed. Holiness according to God, not according to western views.
@@servantmichael2514 Then was David not Holy?
@@dylanmcnaughton7189 oh he definitely was. Why do you ask me like I'm against David?
@@servantmichael2514 can I ask how he was holy I know the bible says so but he had an affair and lusted had his soldier killed so he could be with the wife.
What explains the higher divorce rate in monogamous marriages than in polygamy??
You couldn’t possibly, have explained it better! YAH bless you !
Coming from someone who only examines one side of the argument. If that is the best explanation that there is, there can be no doubt that polygamy is acceptable in the sight of God.
@@danieldeluca4936 Truth. Polygyny not a sin according to Gods law/ the Torah in the Bible...even the New Testament
No biblical men were ever condemned for having more than one wife...even concubines
The Bible says to not add to nor suntract from the commandments..so Jesus wouldnt have subtracted from laws on multiple wives
You ar being deceived. Jesus Christ. Polygamy is SIN. I am seriously tired of all those preachers inviting the wrath of GOD with false teaching. God created the covenant between man and woman. Not between Adam and Steve not between Adam and 3 wives!!
1 Corinthians 7 : But since there IS SO MUCH immorality, EACH MAN should have his own wife, (not plural!!) and EACH woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. A THREEFOLD CORD CANNOT EASILY BE BROKEN. Man, wife and God. SHALOM!
Ok after watching this video again. If God didn't speak one negative word or something how can you say it's not in his perfect will? Divorce wasn't in his perfect will but he allowed it right but it was also spoken on. Nowhere does it say that TMH said hey I don't approve of pologamy but I will allow it. Am I wrong? If he did then I can completely understand the perfect plan arguement.
Just a thought!
The men of Israel had problems lusting after women especially women from other nations. They also hardend their heart and were and still are stiffnecked. Though there is no law against polygamy, reading and understanding scriptures you will learn marriage is for 1 man and 1 woman, which is stressed from the old testament to the new testament. If polygamy was the plan, how can you sin against lust or adultery? Because it is clearly stated if a man looks at a woman with lust he already committed adultery (Matthew 5:28). Scriptures also state, 1 John 2:16 "For all that is in the world, *the lust of the flesh, and the *lust of the eyes, and the *pride of life, 👉🏾is not of the Father, but is of the world."👈🏾 Scriptures talk a lot about men lusting after women. Perfect example.....King Solomon or the men who had to put away their wives and kids (Ezra 10). Romans 8:6 states the mind governed by the flesh is death. If Yah wakes you up to being an Israelite and your first thought is multiple wives vs seeking him.....that's a problem. If you can't take care of or afford the 1 wife you have, but want more.....that's problem. If you don't work...that's a problem. If you disrespect women or your wife and do not spend time with your kids...that's problem. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 states adulterers will not inherit the kingdom. Also, know that Sarah was barren when she offered Hagar to Abraham (Gen 16:3). Rachel offered her maidservant due to being barren (Gen 30:4), and Leah offered her maidservant (Gen 30:9) as well as other wives in scriptures. Moreover, if you are to follow the laws in the captivity of your oppressors aren't you considered lying and stealing from the government if married to multiple women, but claiming 1 wife? I can go on and on, but whatever you decide that will be between you and Yah.🙏🏾
God doesn't allow anything when it comes to human will. He left free will to us so that we may make our own decisions
@@yahrobichosen Yeah you do ramble on quite a bit, and half of what you said has nothing to do with the topic of discussion. Jesus said that to look at a MARRIED woman with lust, is adultery. Read that verse in the original Greek!
@@danieldeluca4936 Your response is very telling about your understanding of the video and my response to it. If you read my response to understand it vs read to respond you see I used scriptures to support what I wrote. People who practice polygyny/polygamy follow the lesser priesthood of Aaron due to hardening their hearts. Those who follow the order of Melchizedek, the higher priesthood know not to partake in polygyny/polygamy according His words. Next time you respond make sure you watch the video then read others responses before commenting. Peace Be With You🙏🏾
@@yahrobichosen You won't find any Scripture to back up your assertions about this lesser priesthood or higher priesthood. Are you Mormon?
I really liked how hit on the law of first mention. Lots of God’s intended order was messed up by man’s hardened hearts and creating a society not meant by God. Praise God for Jesus dying on the cross for our human freshly sickness.
so much complications and confusion in life... bottom line is we have our own will which side of life we wanna take... either peace and patience or drama and discontentment...
The Bible does not say a lot things that you know ain’t right. But if you feel in your spirit that polygamy is okay and that’s something God wants you to do , go ahead and do it. Cause I ain’t never heard anyone tell me that yet , just saying 🤷🏽♀️
I'll tell you that! God has given me the desire for a second wife.
The qn is ,is it a sin or not!!!
Yup, and you will see these anti-polys twist like a pretzel to try to wrench Scripture to try to make it say that it is a sin.
No. As long as the new wife (wives) are not already married.
@@sinistransgressionofthetor5449 finnaly someone made it simple
@@DK-ld4ts Exactly. No overly complicated answers, or mental gymnastics..short, sweet, simple, to the point.
Not a 1-4 hour video 😄
My issue here is that you have given no real supporting facts or claims. You vaguely dance around the idea that you believe that Monogamy and claim it is also Gods will, yet the only scripture you have to back it up is 1 from the New Testament. Sure, Polygamy probably came with issues but 1 on 1 relationships have issues too. I think a better point to turn to would be why are men designed by nature to want more than 1 woman and why did God not only allow it but as he told David, "I would give you more". The only real issues The Most High seems so have with multiple wives is who you choose and how you treat them. To me. Monogamy is a European theology and also a way to ensure that commoners don't climb the class system because they know that Polygamy and big households are how Israel kept the power in the old times.
You have great points that no one wants to talk about. No one wants to speak on the fact that God naturally created more females to be born then males, that men are hyper sexual and need more sex then one woman can handle. The world would just say that 1 third of women should be single and die without chilrden or that men should sleep around and have babies momas but never marry them which is happening today. Everybody swears they know "Gods perfect plan" ...hmm I think not.
I’m neither disagreeing or agreeing
If it is Gods perfect will for a man to have many wives which is what your implying and which is the argument you seem to be making then why did he only pull one rib from Adam when He said “it is not good for the man to be alone” ? Why just Eve ? Did Adam also take wives from his daughters or were they just left to his sons which where their brethren?
@@SimonsFamilyVlog
Interesting. I think you are stating opinions, not facts. I came from a polygamist family. I had 4 moms, 1 dad, and 34 brothers and sisters. 18 sisters and 16 brothers.
I am married to a man with 5 wives and 36 children. The number of girls and boys and just about even. So it appears that God wasn't really sustaining us for our beliefs in the practice.
@@nikichat4476 Fascinating! I hope your marriage is well and that your husband knows when enough is enough. I personally believe a lot of men would be better off building their empire before trying to acquire one wife, whereas women can start marrying right out of high school, as long as they marry a good provider.
@@danieldeluca4936
I ended my marriage 4 months ago. I discovered the true word of God does not want men to have multiple wives. I was lied to all my life.
I loved my husband, and I miss him, but I love God more.
And no, my husband doesn't know when enough is enough. He thinks a man should marry as many women as want to be with him, provided it is done through the proper authority and they are not another mans wife.
He is trapped in a false belief system. We were taught that we couldn't even go where God was when we died unless we lived plural marriage faithfully.
There's so much deception in this world.
I think God's ideal is monogamy in marriage. When you read the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, this is strongly implied. Plus, a church leader can only have one wife, meaning a polygamist Christian would be barred from church leadership. The church should teach and counsel monogamy. Now, there should be some level of tolerance for a believer that comes in with a polygamist marriage. Maybe he comes from a culture where that is practiced or simply made an unwise decision. He can't be a leader though and should be counseled not to take anymore wives.
you forgot to mention 1 Thimothy 3 verse 2 and 1 Corinthians 7:2
How are they relevant? Read them in the original Greek, and don't leave out the context of I Cor 7:2. Paul was contrasting marriage with celibacy.
@@danieldeluca4936you’re right the Greek translation says something completely different than the English one in Greek it never forbids it
@@Mk_7777 The thing I always like to respond nowadays to folks who say things like this, is if those verse were condemning polygny, they would also likewise be condemning singleness. Single men are not allowed to be bishops, deacons or elders, and they certainly do not have their own wives.
Wrong, David didn't have multiple wives because of greed. The Most High told him i gave you your wives and blessings, and i would have given you more. His sin was that he took on another man's wife. There are many passages speaking about having multiple wives and not just that one that you pointed to
What?? That is what the bible says about the messengers of God that they stole people's wives??😳😳😳😳🤦♀️
@@Asiyah2000 NO...I was referring to the fact that he was blessed with wives as stated...but yes he chose to be with another man's there by commiting adultery which was the sin that he committed. What of the scripture stating that if a man has 2 wives, he must love them equally. What about the Most High using Jacob and his 4 women to create the 12 tribes of Israel. How about the law forbidding you not to see the nakedness of thy mother or the nakedness of they father's wife?? Wouldn't it be the same thing unless what was being talked about was the wife of your father who was technically not your mother and not seeing her nakedness for that is your father's nakedness.
There was drama with almost all of the prophets mentioned in the Bible. How can you use that as a point?
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@@911FitClub
Adam knew not to take the fruit, but did it anyway!
@@911FitClub God told Adam not to eat the fruit not Eve. WAdam could have avoided the it if he told Eve not to eat it but he said Dont even touch it. Eve touched it and didnt die so it only made sense to eat it too. If Adam didnt and to the word of God we wouldnt be in this mess. If he asked for forgiveness insteaf of blaming God for making the woman we wouldnt be here. So moral is dont blame eve she was jist using her brain Adam was shifting the blame. Adam was the problem
@Saved Princess You are not intelligent enough to make a determination as to who is dumb or not.
Polygyny is the term used for the practice of one man having more than one wife at the same time. This is different from the term polygamy which refers to the practice of one person being married to more than one person at the same time, with the initial person being either male or female.
Adultery is forbidden for all eternity or you win hell.
@@lesliewinchester8225 You sound so much like one of those Westboro Baptists!
Brother, you are straight on point.... God is not the author of confusion. Women will always cause drama when it comes down to her man. Why would God allow this confusion? All you have to do is look into the nature of the human spirit. Jealousy will always rise up in the heart of both men and women when it comes down to somebody else involving themselves into a sacred union between a man and a wife. I love this video bro. The only women that will allow this type of nonsense is women that are not WHOLE. A woman that is whole will do the natural things, cleave to her man and protect her throne. I am a queen my husband is a king... Why would I allow him to sleep with another woman? Last point, there is a situation called bacterial vaginosis, when a man sleeps with two different women it will cause an infection with an offensive odor. This is a fact! The woman's body is very sensitive and to exposed it to another woman's natural bacterias is not a good thing. If the bible can't prove to you the being with multiple people is not god's perfect plan, then let science help you out Pastor Dowell. It is nasty (unclean) to share bacteria from another woman.
Jealousy is an act of the sinful nature, and it occurs in monogamy as well as polygamy. Are you suggesting monogamy is wrong?
The women who allow this know something you clearly do not know. You are saying women like Sarah were not whole, and yet that goes against what Scripture tells us about Sarah. She is posited as a model for all women in the church today. The natural thing that you suggest, is sinful, according to Galatians, and that is NOT the fault of the husband.
What nation are you the queen of, by the way? There are many reasons why a woman would want to have a sister wife, but clearly, they must put away this SIN of jealousy that you speak of. If you are truly curious about why a woman would want a sister wife, google it.
When I want to know what God's Perfect plan is, I read the Bible (Rom 12:2). It says absolutely NOTHING about being with "multiple people", to use your words, which is not what polygyny is, in the first place. Polygyny is having multiple WIVES; not women; WIVES. Understand the difference!
You have been watching that "Sis Yah" video about polygamy and yeast infections. Notice she disabled comments on that video; the one where she said she is a queen and has some sort of divinity! Welcome to the church of Oprah!
Big daddy sim No, there is godly jealousy and self-centered jealousy. You are the one who has a lot to learn. There is no Scripture that says that jealousy is OK, as long as it is "normal" jealousy. Nobody creates jealousy in another person. You are simply blame-shifting. What Scripture do you have to back up your claim that polygamy is the product of male greed and selfishness? This should be interesting.
Big daddy sim So you think it was the gentiles who were polygynous that Paul was writing about in verse 17. Hmm, very interesting. The passage in Proverbs is about adultery, which is a violation of the 10 commandments. It warns men about taking other men's wives, but does not say that the jealousy is OK, only that taking another man's wife can be harmful to your health. Read the entire context of those two passages yourself to get a better understanding of what it really says. Any text without a context is a pretext.
Big daddy sim, I apparently got under your skin, and that is especially apparent with all the misspelled words you used. You threw out a Red Herring which is a Logical Fallacy, when you claimed that I have no theology. My theology is based solely on the Word of God, which I have read from cover to cover numerous times.
The passage in Proverbs does not have to say that jealousy is a sin. The passage in Galatians says that jealousy is an act of the sinful nature. Jealousy occurs in monogamy as well as in polygyny, so you CANNOT blame jealousy on polygyny. If a woman has issues with jealousy, she needs to deal with those issues, regardless of whether her husband is polygynous or monogamous.
Why did the LORD say to David, "If you wanted more wives, I would've given you more" instead of, "No. You may not have more than one wife?"
He says that each time the bible mentions a man having multiple wives, a problem for him arises as a result of this so called wrongdoing... yet polygamy was common back then... it wasn't like only a handful were practicing this... what about all the times a drama didn't arise from that? How is this even an argument?
Melissa Graham okay so you believe polygamy is a sin
I’m going to tell you why it isn’t and it’s pretty simple.
Is they’re a bible verse that specifically says that polygamy is a sin. No they’re isn’t.
So anything that’s not considered a sin is allowed right.
If that’s not true than anything can be a sin because if god says something it can be misinterpreted as something else so anything god says could be misinterpreted as a sin.
@@revivalord9391 I don't think Melissa is arguing that polygamy is a sin. She seems to be arguing quite the opposite!
@Kane Abel She was saying what Parr had said. She wasn't agreeing with it!
Melissa Graham do you want to be one of my many wives?
It’s seems you are fighting what he said and want to be an extra wife.
No drama here.
Revivalord, something’s are not necessarily a sin, but somethings are not good for you. - somewhere in the Bible (I don’t remember exactly where, maybe ephisians or Corinthians, it in the nt
I have a question. Say a polygamous person committed to their polygamous family wants to do God's perfect will. Should the family of that polygamous family split up and all marry someone monogamously instead? How would that situation be handled?
@Saved Princess So you set aside the commands of our Lord Jesus Christ, in order to comply with the traditions of men that originated from a Greek Philosopher. SMH. Read Col 2:8!
@Saved Princess He never said ANYTHING about abusing women! You are just putting words into his mouth. That is typical of you anti-Polys. It is not enough for you to add to God's Word. You have to add to the words of anyone who disagrees with you. Your doctrines are rotten to the core!
One husband one wife, simply put.
Saved Princess You're basically blaspheming and criticizing God by trying to shove your feminist views down our throats. God's will is perfect, just and right is He. If a man of God wants to take a second wife, and the woman willfully agrees. Then it was in the will of the Father.
@Saved Princess bless the lord everybody
God bless your brother, as usual you speak the biblical truth. it seems a lot people are having trouble distinguishing between the grace of the Old Testament & order of the New Testament. like you said, not everything that is described is prescribed. much love! - newly subscribed listener
You ar being deceived. Jesus Christ. Polygamy is SIN. I am seriously tired of all those preachers inviting the wrath of GOD with false teaching. God created the covenant between man and woman. Not between Adam and Steve not between Adam and 3 wives!!
1 Corinthians 7 : But since there IS SO MUCH immorality, EACH MAN should have his own wife, (not plural!!) and EACH woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. A THREEFOLD CORD CANNOT EASILY BE BROKEN. Man, wife and God. SHALOM!
Exodus 17:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.
deuteronomy 21:15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.
2 samuel 12:8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.
Mathew 25 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps[a] and went to meet the bridegroom.[b] 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
I just had a guy tell me that polygamy is kosher in the Bible, but when I asked why he wanted more than one wife he said ‘for efficiency’. I feel like what he should’ve admitted was that it was for his own greed. And I like what you said in this video.... I think it’s selfish for a man to claim two or more women in this day and age because he is essentially taking away a wife for another man....
Romey Rome what do you mean when you say “he’ll actually be doing her service.“ What do you mean by that? What kind of service will ‘this polygamist man’ be providing a single woman?
there is an excess of women compared to men.
@@advancevi1729 Yes more women then men
There are also many benefits of polygyny people are missing the blessing of
Exodus 17:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.
deuteronomy 21:15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.
2 samuel 12:8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.
Mathew 25 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps[a] and went to meet the bridegroom.[b] 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
Who are you to assume anything about a person? You don’t know his heart.
Do I want multiple wives? Yes! Why? Because
1. I love women and find myself discontent in a monogamous relationship.
2. I want to have as many children as I can.
3. More wives means easier lives for all involved. That’s more paychecks paying the bills, that’s more hands taking care of children, that’s more hands keeping the house clean. Plus, if one isn’t in the mood, one is bound to be. Like I said procreation is my main focus.
What man doesn’t want to father a nation?!?
Women in the west thing mighty highly of themselves to think that it’s wrong for a man to desire to be with multiple partners when men can I’m pregnant dozens of women in the span it takes for her to go through 1 pregnancy.
I never seen polygamy work in my community. The guy can’t even take care of his own kids from multiple wives and their be jealousy, sharing and unfairness and favoritism. Polygamy just isn’t right. If a guy think it’s ok but it’s not okay if their women’s do the same it is double standard. In my opinion I prefer having one partner.
have you read scripture? God is who he is, and he didn't make men and women equal . God bless.
That is anecdotal evidence. It can be used to prove that polygny is not right for everyone, but cannot be used to prove that polygyny is not right for anyone. "Partner" is such a bad word to use when talking about marriage!
You are saying that if it's okay to have more than one wife, then it should be okay to have more than one husband, but the Bible clearly says that the woman who has more than one husband, is called an adulteress! We need to have the mind of Christ! Instead of worrying about what is fair or unfair, consider the fact that God made men and women different. What kind of woman wants to have more than one husband? Proverbs tells us that her feet do not abide in her own home!
If the same standard was applied to monogamy, we would say that monogamy is a sin, for every monogamous relationship in the Bible had problems.
Wow, I'm amazed that someone else had such an enlightening point! Kudos to you! I doubt Mr. Denzel will respond to you though. Excellent example!
Thank you.
No it didn't.
@@jess_is Well not every polygynous marriage had problems either, but clearly some monogamous marriages (almost all of them) DID have problems.
This is why it is imperative to know the Bible for yourself. He’s spinning what was allowed as though it is not today, and secondly, he’s stating polygamy was allowed in the Old Testament as though it wasn’t in the New. Polygamy never stopped in the Middle East and it Never ceased in the New Testament during times in which those people were then and now Middles East origin. Will and Perfect will has nothing to do with Polygamy.
Exactly
Deuteronomy 25, 5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.
7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.
8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;
9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.
@@armorvestrus4119 exactly. Proves the other guy's point it seems.
I agree.
@@armorvestrus4119 wait I’m confuse what’s the point? Cause is it just talking about the widow now marrying the dead husband’s brethren?
I was baptized Catholic when I was born and had listened to different views of Christian Religion and protestants with regard to marriage as I grew I value the lessons taught in the Bible. Christ was sent to fulfill the law of God and the prophets not to think that he (Jesus) came to abolish it (Law) if that was the Divine Law set from the Old Testament then it was crystal clear that Christians did not observed it, only Muslims. Shall He (God) condemn his prophets then for committing polygamy? or having concubines? Abraham was God's friend, Moses too was polygamous, not to mention Solomon think twice.
@Black Panther WVBS is corrupt, and those passages are dealing with divorce, not polygamy. You are a deceiver.
@Black Panther in Islam that's the main point you don't put away your wife you marry another and value then equally with their needs. So go back to my question will God condemn His prophets especially Abraham for marrying another??? You've talk too much but haven't answered it directly.
@Black Panther You are off base, and I already pointed this out to you on another thread. The creation account NEVER condemns polygamy. That is an outright lie on your part! Not only that, but it never says that females are created in God's image! God is not a woman! It says that He created MEN in His image and then says that He created males and females. I notice you didn't even quite the relevant passage. That could be because you realize that it does not support your assertion.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say that God's original plan was one man and one woman! It does not say that His plan was either one man and one woman OR one man with so many wives, but it clearly does NOT say that His plan was NOT one man with so many wives, as you assert here.
No one is trying to argue that God supports adultery or fornication. In fact, we would all like to see polygamy legalized, or at least leave the recognition of what marriage is, up to the church as opposed to the government.
God promised Abraham a son form Sarah AFTER Hagar became Abraham's wife and gave birth to Ishmael! Abraham very well may have sinned at some point in his lifetime, BUT Scripture NEVER refers to what Abraham did, in taking Hagar to be his second wife, as a sin! There is not even the slightest condemnation for him having done so. It was AFTER Hagar gave birth, that God promised Abraham that he would be the father of MANY nations. Hagar WAS sent to the wilderness BUT, that was NOT because Sarah and Hagar were jealous of each other! You have that story a bit confused. She ran off on her own. She wasn't sent, but ran off, after Sarah started mistreating her, because of the scorn she showed Sarah. When she WAS sent away, it was not because of jealousy between her and Hagar. You make it sound like that was the reason, but it wasn't! It was because of the way that Ishmael was treating Isaac! What you posted, is misleading because of your anti-polygamy bias.
Having said that, you make excellent points about those prophets having sinned, and the fact that we all need a Savior, and I commend you for that. Make sure though, when you attempt to explain what Scripture says, that you don't misstate it, because that is harmful to your witness.
@Black Panther so Abraham will be condemn yes or no? Hahaha black panther u made urself too difficult all that explanation u haven't answered it directly no wonder y Christians have so many denominations and sects.
@@danieldeluca4936 agreed! Well said
I agree with this. Great discussion
“4 He said to them, “Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? 5 It says, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.’ 6 So they are no longer two but one. Let no man divide what God has put together.”” Matthew 19 4-6
There are a few issues I have with this presentation by Allen Parr
1. The assertion that every single person who practiced polygamy resulted in problems. This can't be proven. Of course polygamy would cause problems but so what? Problems exist in basic monogamy marriages so why would that not be the case in polygamy households? Half of marriages today end in divorce but that is not an argument against monogamy. Also marriage troubles tend to get more focus than successes. People do focus on drama rather than the boring stuff when nothing bad happens. What gets more attention in the media today? The successful celeb marriages or the ones filled with scandal?
Allen says:
"Each time when someone practiced polygamy in the Old Testament, it was some straight up drama and did not turn out well."
This is not proven. The Old Testament mentions additional examples who practiced polygamy than the names he references and nothing is said about drama or nothing turning out well in these examples. Some examples are Gideon, Tekoa, Shaharaim, and Abijah.
"And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives." (Judges 8:30)
"And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah." (1 Chronicles 4:5)
"And Shaharaim begat [children] in the country of Moab, after he had sent them away; Hushim and Baara [were] his wives." (1 Chronicles 8:8)
"But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives, and begat twenty and two sons, and sixteen daughters.” (2 Chronicles 13:21)
Sure problems probably existed as problems occur in all marriages, polygamy or not, but nothing is suggested that any special problems occurred in these examples.
2. Allen makes an assumption that Genesis 2:24 was the original intent of marriage of having just one wife and not more than one. Is that really true? Is he suggesting he understands the original intent of Genesis 2:24 better than Moses, Abraham, Jacob, and others in the Old Testament? That is a pretty bold claim, perhaps with a touch of arrogance. Nowhere in the Bible does it declare that to be the original intent and polygamy was a deviation from that intent. There was plenty of opportunity but none of the writers made that connection. Not even Jesus attempts to correct the practice. Not only is there no evidence that Jesus has problem with polygamy, the parable of the 10 virgins is built in a polygamy foundation. If we follow the logic, if God created 2 women for Adam, would it original intent was for all men to have 2 wives and any man having only one wife would be outside the original intent? Genesis 2:24 says God gave Adam a wife. Even in polygamist household, it always starts with one wife. Anything beyond that is reading things into the text rather than the text itself making a declaration. God could have easily made the intent clear by saying something to the effect
“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh and man shall take on no other women to have as wives.”
That would have been absolutely clear and would have avoided future problems but the text does not say this. Genesis was written by Moses who had 2 wives. Apparently all of this was lost on him. I do believe the author of any text knows the text they write better than anyone else and Moses apparently did not see a problem with Genesis 2:24 and his own circumstances.
3. Allen says that taking extra wives was outside of God's will. Not only is this assertion not supported but it contradicts what he said a couple minutes prior. Allen said:
Even in David's situation, when he committed adultery with Bathsheba , God came to him and said, Why did you have to steal someone else’s wife, if the wives I have already given you went enough, I would have given you more."
If taking extra wives was always outside of God's will, why did God give David his wives? He admits that God gave David his wives which means it was God's will that David had more than one wife. Unless the suggestion is God gave David his wives and the actions done by God were outside of his own will. WHAT!!! It is clear from the text that David had multiple wives because God gave David those wives. Not due to greed or any of the other reasons he listed why polygamy was practiced.
Many modern day Christians have a problem with polygamy because it is a practice is way outside the norms of the day. That may change over time as same sex marriage is accepted more. If Christians can support same sex marriage without any support from the Bible, surely they should be able to handle the issue of polygamy that actually is practiced with no claim anywhere the practice was viewed as wrong or sinful.
Not all Christians have had a problem with polygamy. Martin Luther wrote:
"Consequently it is my opinion that a Christian is not free to marry several wives unless God commands him to go beyond the liberty which is conditioned by love." (Luther to Joseph Levin Metzsch, 9 December 1526, in Theodore G. Tappert, ed. and trans., Luther: Letters of Spiritual Counsel, vol. 18 of the Library of Christian Classics (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1955), p. 276)
Martin Luther appears to hold at reasonable view that keeps the Bible consistent. Monogamy was the general standard BUT at the very least exceptions could be made and even commanded by God.
Finally if one has to ask did anything good ever come from polygamy I can think of one good thing off the top of my head. The entire house of Israel was brought forth by polygamy. Without it, the twelve tribes of Israel would not have existed. Let that simmer in your mind for a while and what that means for the Bible narrative as a whole.
1 Corinthians 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
1 Corinthians 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
In other words your statement is wrong. Neither sex should have multiple partners at all. And the bible says men were made for women as well…we were made for each other. So that doesn’t give the man the right to sleep around and have multiple women. Not to mention, when the Bible mentioned a three man relationship, it was talking about the husband, the wife, and the Lord to create a covenant…not have multiple wives to exude power.
Deuteronomy 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
Polygamy was placed here by the devil himself to have more control over women, hence why the men that do it are labeled as kings. Polygamy possesses a spirit of greed, pride, and power, which are against God.
They did have problems. Look at the story of david and how he lost everything including his baby because of polygamous manners…you are more than welcome to your own views, I won’t take that from you, but please don’t be deceived 🥰
💜💜💜💜💜💜 stay blessed 😇
@@ILoveGodandJesusForeverandEver multipying wives rule only applied to Kings. God himself said he would have given david more wives. so saying "Polygamy was placed here by the devil himself to have more control over women" is not biblical. God himself is ok with it as seen in the example above.
explain this.
2 Samuel 12:7-8
King James Version
7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
@@ILoveGodandJesusForeverandEver Exodus 17:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.
deuteronomy 21:15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.
2 samuel 12:8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.
Mathew 25 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps[a] and went to meet the bridegroom.[b] 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefor
Great topic. I feel like there are some really bad conclusions here though, basic example of correlation does not imply causation; almost all these men did not have only one wife extremely hard to come up with any real compare and contrast. Overall I believe there is a good argument for both coming from a biblically perspective, and if you step back a bit from any religious influence there is a good argument for both as well.
Society wise a big problems arises when a few men have all the women, so having it as a norm is beneficial. (Though with just how big the population is now a days I can see one arguing this may not be a problem any more. )
I am an MS in Computer Science, so I LOVE your handle!!!
I've been studying this topic for awhile now, not to practice myself but rather from a purely biblical perspective. I'm willing to believe it's wrong if it can be shown from the Word that it's wrong but I have yet to see that happen. Most arguments against it seem based on rationalizing it as immoral or bad...not God's original intent...or something He allowed because of people's sinfulness. However, I still have yet to hear a sound argument based upon what the scriptures say. The idea that God would allow a sinful practice, and even create rules on how to properly perform that sin seem almost blasphemous. Cain and Able obviously had to marry siblings so to argue lets use how it was in Genesis as the standard seems reckless. Finally why would Paul say a minister in the church had to be a one woman man (no polygamy) unless there was polygamy in the church?? I'm not trying to be difficult as I truly do ask these questions and I love MANY of the videos this brother has put out. But sola scripture, not tradition or feelings. Just my thoughts for whatever they are worth.
@@zod4320 From a purely biblical perspective I do overall agree with yea.
I think the main argument people come up with for any bible related topics is that a certain thing was prevalent in society so it's God acknowledging it's existence trying to mitigate it, and not necessarily for it.
Almost like God himself is playing politics with humanity.
At the end of the day, words, story, books of any kind can be interpreted many many different ways so never use it as your only guide to navigate the world and your decisions.
@@zod4320 You are actually on the right track. There is a reason that ministers are opposed to polygyny, but unfortunately, it has more to being conformed to this world, rather than being transformed by renewing their minds. If they did an in depth study of what the Scriptures teach, they would find out that polygyny is acceptable in the eyes of God, and they would find themselves swimming upstream, against the current. In fact, some former pastors have lost their careers and are driving tractor trailer rigs for a living, because they discovered this truth.
@@StephenMoreira No sir! God could have stopped it if He had wanted to. Church leaders today have no trouble squashing those who practice it in their congregations, or those who attempt to do so, so God could have easily said "Thou shalt not", but He didn't.
God does not care how many wives a man has. It is a non-issue to Him. I really hate when people shoehorn the word of God to fit their ethnocentric world view. If God really did not like polygamy, he would have forbidden Solomon to have 1000 wives.
I hate it too, but I don't use Solomon as a good example of polygamy, because then you have to contend with Deut 17:17.
The question that comes up now is, with the difference in numbers between men and women, would it not be better if men married extra women for as long as he respects the covenant in marriage rather than having single women wrecking homes
Wow this is straight facts but people fail to see other scriptures Isaiah 4:1 now with men becoming more and more scarce through men turning to other men and becoming transgendered and more an more men turning away from marriage on top of the things already plague men today that further adds to your point and it’s backed by scripture
Single women dont wreck homes. The men who do not become responsible for their children and run away do.
@@dopamemez2237 extramarital se is a sin: fornication so if men are making children and not taking care of them they are commiting sin
Alright Adam! You’re quick to throw women under a bus when actual the signal woman no covenant with the married man but he does have that with his wife or wife’s. If he has a problem honoring them he needs to take that up with the father and you probably should do the same if you believe women are wrecking homes!
@@shannonkid well maybe my wording came out wrong, but there is a big problem in the society now with women population increasing faster than that of men. My point was that women should allow men to marry more than one woman without making a fuss about it
Monogamous marriages have problems that those polygamous do not have nor do those who do not get married have problems that married people have. The problem Abraham had in his polygamous marriage was not in his grandson Jacob (Israel). Monogamous marriage is not the perfect will of God nor is polygamous marriage. Nevertheless the perfect will for one differs fro the perfect will for another. So whether monogamous or polygamous there is no sin. No commandment is violated.
Polygamous married is for men who are suffering with the so called lust and even when they have multiple wives they still want sex from outside look what king David did to Urias wife.
“Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery.”
i dont know man, will god accept something HE doesnt agree. if HE knows the result of it never being good for us why condone it? ever since HE allow polygamy i don't look at marriage the same.
Exactly
Yes he does. Take a look at divorce. Matthew 19:8
"He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so."
Clearly sin has damaged God's original desire/intention for marriage but in his grace allows us more freedom to do what He would prefer us not to
@@kaylanonyaa5291 he permits it. so regardless it isn't sin, God bless.
@@stevesmith7843 Agreed. Although, it is a far cry from ideal.
@@kaylanonyaa5291 says who? you? God only ever permits it in scripture, and makes laws regarding its institution, he NEVER regards it as not ideal, bad, or sinful. even Christ our lord shows its goodness in the parable of the wise virgins. i'll let the Lord speak for himself, his arm is not too short. God bless.
This explanation is amazing! Permissive will is very different from perfect will. That was it right there
You ar being deceived. Jesus Christ. Polygamy is SIN. I am seriously tired of all those preachers inviting the wrath of GOD with false teaching. God created the covenant between man and woman. Not between Adam and Steve not between Adam and 3 wives!!
1 Corinthians 7 : But since there IS SO MUCH immorality, EACH MAN should have his own wife, (not plural!!) and EACH woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. A THREEFOLD CORD CANNOT EASILY BE BROKEN. Man, wife and God. SHALOM!
No it not, there is no such thing. There is only one "Will" being done! That's God's Ordained/Appointed Will - Isaiah 46:10, Ephesians 1:11.
Everything that goes on under the sun is happening according to God's One True Sovereign "Will". Please stop the unbiblical teachings of God having "Two Wills"! It is Theologically Sickening!
If we're to use this concept of "permissive" vs "perfect" will (especially in the context of Genesis 1) then we could further argue that God's perfect will would be for all of us to be vegan nudists living in a garden.
God's perfect will can only be known when we decide to not be in conformance to this world, but allow ourselves to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Paul wrote this to the monogamous Romans. He basically said not to conform to the practices of that monogamous society.
POLYGNY... ONLY
Why would one compare polygamy with pedophillia, Gay marriage etc.
Am thinking most relationship laws where endorsed by feminists
You don't think they were marrying young girls who are considered minors today back in biblical times? When a girl bled she was considered a woman. I started at 9. Guess I would have been a woman and mother at 10.
@@TheStinalee201120 Nope! It was 12. That would make it pederasty, not pedophilia, but then again, 18 is an arbitrary number. Nonetheless, I am content to abide by the law forbidding underage relations.
Imagine how different your life might have been if you had married a loving husband at an early age and you were able to have 12 or more children! Sure you would have missed out on a lot of final exams, but ask yourself would it not be worthwhile?
It only took one man and one woman to populate the earth. God never ever said to sin in procreation ever.
Don’t be a joke brother How many family today and before ends up well with marrying one wife?
What’s that have to do with the Bible’s mandate on marriage. He is not a joke by explaining what the Bible says.
What if one is already in a polygyny marriage - customary and legally allowed in the country - can you get saved (become a christian) and if ok, will you be living in sin.
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord, shall be saved.
Polygyny is not sin. Polyamory and polyandry are sinful. Call on Jesus, and He will save you. Don't listen to unbiblical nonsense like this video, unless you are prepared to refute it.
He never said it was a sin
Can you get out of this fallacy and cult religion? No, because you are brainwashed and an idiot.
@@danieldeluca4936 please polygyny is a sin. you just want an excuse to be lustful didn't your God say marriage is between a man and a woman not multiple women give to me a "holy" reason as to why you want more. To continue your lineage? Children do not die so often like they did back then and there is over population plus there are more men than women in the world you just want more 🐱 lml acting righteous u just look like a clown
@@sparklingflames9268 Polygyny is not a sin. Your "lustful" comment is an Ad Hominem Fallacy. You don't want to address the truth, so you just accuse those you disagree with, of lust. God neve said that marriage is between A man and A woman. He said it is between male and female. Learn what Scripture actually says, as opposed to being spoon fed. If you want a "holy" reason, look no further than Heb 13:4. I want more because God has given me the desire for more. That is the only reason anybody needs, since there is no verse of Scripture that states that it is a sin.
Truth!! According to Genesis man took it upon themselves to have multiple wives that wasn't from God. The Bible is for our learning and what we love is the perverted part of the Bible . We have to understand these men of the Bible were not perfect and was playing the role if the Messiah. They all fell short but we want to follow them. When He already told us those that came before Him were thieves and robbers. Only God elect will understand and do right, His laws are already in them.
Where does it say that it wasn't from God in Genesis?
When Jesus spoke of thieves and robbers, He was not referring to men that take multiple wives, but those who promote works based salvation.
Good Bereans search the Scriptures rather than assume they are right because they are part of the elect. Were the Romans, who instigated this ban on polygamy, part of the elect?
There’s more problems today despite people not having multiple wives
One thing to note is that Deuteronomy states that Israel's kings weren't even supposed to take multiple wives in Deuteronomy 17:17......"And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold." And I would say diddo on your statements about God's created order being one man and one woman and that not all things that are described are prescribed.
I have another question you mentioned drama. Are monogamous marriages suppose to be drama free all the time?
Great question. They are the ones filled with drama, manipulation and feminism rules most of the time. He is brainwashed by the pagans on this.
It’s just because they don’t find good wives like in proverbs 31
You are so right feminism and ultraism
Perfect will
@@calc3085 Rom 12:1-2 tell us that in order to know God's perfect will, we must not conform to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of our minds. The pattern of this world allows anything EXCEPT polygyny.
God bless you. This is very informative and really important to my career as a counsellor
He a false prophet. No where in the Bible is it condemned to have more than one woman. Only if he takes a woman that belongs to another woman that’s it. You ppl dumb lol
@@tmavibes 😵😵😵😵
Sad your lack of discernment.
Bro what? You literally said GOD told David "if the wives I gave you weren't enough" implying that GOD gave him many wives. So by that conclusion GOD blessed him with something that GOD himself condemned?
He didn't say God condemns it.
But God did give David wives.
@@Andromedon777 That is because God never condemned it.
@@danieldeluca4936 It's 1 year later. Why do you think any of us care to respond to you other than to tell you to stop replying to year old comments?
@@Andromedon777 Well I would like to know what conclusions you have drawn. Believe me, I have a lot of people responding to comments that I made years ago! 1 year is not that big of a deal! Chill out bro.
His perfect will doesn't mean it isn't right for the right people.
I just want to know in God eyes, is it right or wrong? Because from what you saying Polygamy is not a sin but also it's nothing wrong with doing it as long as you can provide for your multiple wife's.
There is nothing wrong with it remember sin is a violation of Gods law and the word also says that where there is no law there is no sin and since there is no biblical law forbidding it it can not be sin even Christ on the parable of the 10 virgins describes him as a polygynist coming back for his brides
Exodus 17:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.
deuteronomy 21:15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.
2 samuel 12:8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.
Mathew 25 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps[a] and went to meet the bridegroom.[b] 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefor
I Believe in Jesus, and yes the bible does allow polygamy, why because it was a thing for that time, let's be honest, most of the holy Books are influenced by culture and patriarchy, so part of blessings in the book of samuel included wives, so to claim that the bible does not promote polygamy and patriarchy is like claiming that there a no war stories in the bible. Let's be honest and not defend obviously things. By lying we're not defending God or Jesus or doing them any favors, if God did not design us for polygamy then why would he bless david with more wives, that means he was helping david to go against his original design. Therefore Sin is not what is listed in the bible but what God makes to be sin to you. To others , it was sin not to kill, example being soul and to other it was sin to kill example being david. God is the one who prescribe what is sin to you and what is not sin. Not everything is the bible is God's word, only Jesus is God's word. Conclusion Jesus does not allow polygamy but there is lot of evidence where the Bible allows polygamy.
@Black Panther No matter how many times you post these passages out of context, it won't change their meaning to what you want it to mean. WVBS may have some good things to say, but they are horribly wrong when it comes to divorce and remarriage.
Stop taking gods word out of context
If you had just said we should not ignore what happened in the bible with These men of God you are correct, where you lost it is the justification of polygamy, if this is how you feel about polygamy you are rejecting the truth which is in the bible, I hope you find the courage to read the bible in context and not to suit your fleshly desires.
I agree with what you are saying to a degree. Even when he mentioned David cursing his enemies, Jesus did many of the same things in his parables speaking directly to the Pharisees. He called them a brood of snakes and almost every mention of "weeping and moaning and gnashing of teeth" he was talking about them. I still cannot say this is a sin and if I can't say it is a sin when God literally cooperated with it. It still has me perplexed.
Where in the bible said Jesus Christ didn't allow polygamy
Second Part
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22:36-40 King James Version (KJV)
Peninnah was evil toward Hannah with her mockings and Peninnah did not love Hannah as herself. Peninnah's sin was not having love or the fruit of the spirit. It had nothing to do with polygyny.
Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible against any man marrying more than one wife. Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible that polygyny - The marrying of one husband with more than one wife - two or more - even if the man were already married. Polygyny is the only Biblically accepted form of polygamy. And nothing has been said against polygyny in this verse.
You said, "Clearly each time somebody practiced polygamy in the Old Testament it was some straight up drama and it did not turn out well." Really. . .
What about the other 37 families practing polygyny in the Bible? How many monogamous marriages have drama and abuse?
All the Polygamists of the Bible
#1: Lamech
#2: Abraham
#3: Jacob
#4: Esau
#5: Moses
#6: Gideon
#7: Jair
#8: Ibzan
#9: Abdon
#10: Elkanah
#11: Saul
#12: David
#13: Solomon
#14: Caleb
#15: Caleb #2
#16: Rehoboam
#17: Joash
#18: Xerxes
#17: Belshazzar
#20-21: Abijah and Jerahmeel
#22 YAHWEH - God himself.
#23-40. Not named by name.
8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
2 Samuel 12:8 King James Version (KJV)
If polygyny was not ok then why did God tell King David he would have given him more wives? To give him more sin? That does not sound like God has a problem with polygyny. Jesus came from King David's line and from other families practicing polygyny. That does not sound like God had a problem with polygyny.
King David - The Man After God's Heart - committed the murder of Uriah (2 Samuel 11:14-17) husband of Bathsheba the daughter of Eliam (2 Samuel 11:3) after committing adultery (2 Samuel 11:4) with her. Where is the other "drama" with all his other wives and concubines? And Jesus came through David's line.
Again Polygyny was not the problem. It was King Davids sins of Murder and Adultery.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
So if polygyny is Gods's Permissive Will and NOT His Perfect Will then why was it not listed in the works of the flesh or the unrighteous list listed above. It was the perfect place to list that Polygyny is a work of the flesh or is unrighteous. BUT it is not!! Sounds like more than Permissive Will. Again if Polygyny was so wrong and a sin and was not Gods will it should have been in this list.
Again, Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible against any man marrying more than one wife. Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible that polygyny - The marrying of one husband with more than one wife - two or more - even if the man were already married. Polygyny is the only Biblically accepted form of polygamy.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Ephesians 5:31 King James Version (KJV)
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Genesis 2:24 King James Version (KJV)
"They shall be one flesh" is usually brought up in this discussion. It says you can be one flesh with a prostitute.
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1 Corinthians 6:15-16
Since a man can become one flesh by laying with a prostitute/harlot (1 Corinthians 6:15-16). The Bible does not say that the one flesh goes away at some point in the future. Then that same person who layed with a harlot then gets married. Now when he gets married he becomes one flesh with his wife (Genesis 2:24). Since the Bible never says the one flesh ever goes away there is a problem. This person is now one flesh with the harlot and is also one flesh with his wife.
This means that a man can be one flesh with EACH of his wives.
He can be one flesh with wife number one, one flesh with wife number two and he can be one flesh with wife number three. This is true no mater how many wives or concubines he may have. King Solomon was one flesh with each of his 700 wives and one flesh with each of his 300 concubines.
I know this is a shocker to you. But it is the truth!
Described Vs Prescribed
Marriage is both described and prescribed in the Bible. There are three types of biblically sanctioned marriage.
The first is Monogamy which is one man with one woman. Isaac and Rebekah were monogamous. Joseph and Asenath were another examble. This is described in the Bible.
The second biblically sanctioned marriage is Polygyny. This is where one man marryies more than one wife - two or more wives. This is prescribed in Genesis 38:8.
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
You could also help widows by marrying them.
The last is concubines. This is a wife that does not have full rights of inheritance. This is described but could be prescribed when you look at how widows should be taken care of.
16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
1 Timothy 5 King James Version (KJV)
You could also help widows by marrying them.
These three types of marriage are ALL not for everyone. But all are ok by the bible.
Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible against any man marrying more than one wife. Nothing against was ever said by God, Jesus or the Bible that polygyny - The marrying of one husband with more than one wife - two or more - even if the man were already married. Polygyny is the only Biblically accepted form of polygamy.
You said, "You cannot take isolated events and build a Theology"?
There are 40 practicing Polygynous families listed in the bible 22 listed my name. These are not isolated incidents.
You said, "Did God allow polygamy in the old Testament? I think we can safely say that Yes he did."
God does not "allow" sin in any shape or form. If it is sin it is called out. Where? - any where in the bible did God call polygyny sin? . . . There is none.
You said, "But is Polygamy Gods perfect will I think we can safely say no it is not." Really . . . now you have the mind of GOD!!
Wow lol smart
Wow you really changed my way of thinking, very smart indeed
@Joanna C You are on the right track. It is simply because having more than one husband is adultery.
Sooooo??? God put a limit of 1 marriage covenant per man. But without a law of God to say so there's no condemnation. 2 Samuel 12. God giving David his masters kingdom and his masters wives also willing to give him more if that wasn't enough; this is after David got a man killed to get his wife also after they had an affair. So is God immoral for giving David multiple wives & willing to give him even more? David repented of the affair with the married woman and the blood that was on his hands. Where does it say David apologized for having multiple wives? A man and a woman have a major covenant. But because God's law only mentioned Adultery as having an affair with a married woman or a man divorcing his wife for reasons other than her cheating (Matt 5:32) it leaves the mans marriage status freely available to marry as he sees fit. Is God immoral for showing laws of adultery based on whether or not the woman is married? Also by your understanding Jesus can't be moral because each of us has a covenant with Him yet we are all one family married to him. The Lord has a parable about Himself having 2 wives, Ezekiel 23, Ohola & Oholibah. They gave Him sons & daughters. A covenant mentioned again in Jer 31:31 Isreal & Judah. Jesus using the 10 virgins parable in to articulate how we all need to be ready for His return. If polygyny was unlawful or sin He wouldn't use it as an example of why the 10 virgins should be ready for Him the groom. Why would God present such ideas and why was the law written by men of God who had a marriage covenant with her, another covenant with her and her and her? That might be why it is NOT written that it is foolish for a man to have more than 1 wife, no law written to punish a man who married more than 1 wife, no holiness code written to say it's an abomination to God for a man to have more than 1 wife. We need those written in for it to be wrong so it's a condemnation. Like being gay, sleeping with close family, sleeping with a women who is already married, etc.
I dont see a single verse in the bible that says one wife. I been researching this subject. And foud it was a pre Christian greek practice adopted by the church. If done with good intentions it is not a sin. Just a sin to have sex before marriage and not lust. Mary her and no sin. May not be recognized by the government but is by god. Wont go to hell.
Polygamy wasn't a serious sin in the past. King David got in trouble not for having multiple wives but for stealing someone else's. The law never condemned it, but instead legalized it. When God hates something it's obvious ( idolatry, incest etc.). When the Israelites left Egypt God made sure to tell them his position on idolatry and there was no excuse for it. God is almighty, he can protect,and provide even in the most difficult situations without having to compromise.