So many people have asked about this so here is what I believe the bible teaches. Please provide a HEALTHY and RESPECTFUL comment below! Love ya and let me know your thoughts!
THE BEAT by Allen Parr Thank you!!! As a woman who has recently announced being called into the ministry of preaching, I have greatly wrestled with this. My upbringing is such that women preachers were not allowed at all. However, I knew that the Holy Spirit had guided me into this calling. It 100% was not a calling that I was thinking of doing on my own. No, I am not to be a pastor, at all. A minister? Yes! Thank you for the sound scripture references. God bless you and yours.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr I struggled with this because my grandmother Pastored after my grandfather passed... but when my uncle/ her son "came on over to the Lord's side", she passed it to him and has not interfered with how he has and is currently pastoring. However, according to scripture, I do agree wth this entire video.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr hey man great videos they have really helped me out. Just a question though I’m confused on your definition of logic bc I thought logic wasn’t based on feelings rather it is based on facts and evidence or at least should be when used correctly. Anyways a repose would be great.
I wish that Women would get this! As for me, yes, I would LOVE to be a Pastor! However, it does not matter what I want, only what God wants. Thank you for this Video!
Acts 2: 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. 21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
You are so right and that's the kind of a lady I'm looking for but needs to be led by God who joins me together with her Matthew 19:6 God bless you precious
@@biblicalbee2082 I like what you said at the end about being brave by submitting to the word. The hard thing in the matter is a lot of women have trouble following the word of God and submitting themselves unto their own husbands as unto the Lord. And what that means as unto the Lord, is as long as their husbands are in line with the word of God and leaving her correctly according to the will of God then she can follow up under her husband's leadership which God ordained him to be the man of the home from the beginning of time. And husbands need to love their wives enough to die for them, just like how Christ loved the church enough to DIE for them, and gave HIMSELF for us. Ephesians 5:23 25
@@jeffreymartin5386 : If men were really loving their wives in the privacy of their own home and respecting their wives in public and in front of their children , then women would fall safely into their husbands arms submissively. I grew up with a dad who did not do this and my mom was still submissive to him .
As a female and I have absolutely no problem submitting to Gods word and what it actually says. I’m very glad you stuck to the Bible and spoke the truth. This video was very helpful thank you.
@@celticmist14 Whether he did or did not is not a reason to cite for why women today cannot be leaders/pastors. Christ was a JEW, followed JUDAISM to a TEE going so far to wait until 30 years before he began his ministry. He did not marry but I don't see anyone using that as reason why a man should not marry today for obvious reasons. The problem today is that MANY MANY people like Mr. Parr and others here have taken Paul's instructions to the church in HIS TIME and made them LAW for our time. In the process they have done a great disservice to the body of Christ and have removed the HOLY SPIRIT as the TEACHER for us today whose job is to LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH. Clearly there was STILL MORE TRUTH to be revealed after Christ left and I could assure you, there is still MORE TRUTH to be revealed today. See my comment above for more insight on this topic.
@The bible approves Abortion Supposedly but killed Christians, Jews, and Blacks. He banned books that disagreed with his position. That’s the point I’m making.
Living in the day and age we are in now and being a child of God myself I find it soo humbling to be beside my husband. I would never want to have authority over my husband . He's the head of our family and I'm his helper. We walk beside each other. Helping each other as God designed us to be. Thank you Allen Parr, you brought that out soo beautifully.
Aww, what a blessing as the Lord has tempered your heart. God’s order is always perfect and although many believe and do otherwise, He is the same today, tmrw and forever.
We should be bold with the Word and not confine with the world, nothing should astray what the spirit teaches in the Word even if it's against our beliefs, or in contrast to our fears.
I am 11 years old and this channel has helped me alot , I give thanks to GOD for allowing me to see this channel and thank you MR Allen parr for being a true person and not a prosperity peracher aka false prophet.
My grandfather was a preacher for around 50 years..my grandmother was like a rock to him supporting him as he preached to the church..without her i dont know how he could have done it..they were a team.. He preached his last message in a chair and died from heart disease 2 days later... She was his support.. What a great woman of faith she was. I long to see them again in glory. My grandma was a great woman and supporting wife.. We need more of that in this life
@@deborahadeniji808 in the new covenant of Jesus Christ it is back to Genesis 1:26 for the regenerated born-again man only, therefore women don't work alongside men as some in the false religion of CHRISTIANITY would like to have it. In Christ men and women work together in spiritual dominion with Christ the only SUPREME HEAD of the church; they are not over each other as was created by their fall in Eden Genesis 3:12-16 akjv.
I just found you today. I've listened to quite a few videos already and I CAN'T BELIEVE I'VE FINELY FOUND SOMEONE WHO I AGREE WITH BIBLICALLY!!!! So refreshing!!! You are thorough and clear. This is soooo needed in this day and age!!!
jocelyn carillo What a dumb fucking question. Do you only want people in here who agree with you? Do you want no challenges to what you believe? Christianity and other religions have perpetuated misogyny and unequal treatment of women. I don’t buy into your bullshit and I speak out against it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
saint of jesus Christ I disagree. Some people think they have to say that. There’s a difference. Bcuz people say that men have to be the head all day long but what we actually see happening in life is the opposite. Women are the head and doing everything. While men are doing nothing but chasing their egos, trying to look like strong capable men. So if the man is the head, is only bcuz a woman is casting that illusion, and even then, he is still not the head, bcuz his wife or gf is doing it all. His mother or daughter is doing it all. Women somewhere are doing it all and he is really doing nothing.
I have learned that most of the time even when I think I’m not going to like God’s ways, I end up finding joy in the way he created things to be. I can rest in the fact that his ways are perfect, even if they may not seem to be to us at first.
A visiting evangelist to my area told us how people kept asking him, "Are you a pastor? A teacher? An evangelist? What are you? He responded, "I don't know. I just do the work." Serving one another in love is our greatest calling to one another, and humility and prayer is vital to knowing our calling.
The majority of churches in seattle are run by women pastors which are all liberal churches which are also pro homosexual and pro transgender believes and pro abortion which all of these subjects are sins!
Very well said! As someone who was raised to be a strong independent woman, I agree 100%!!! Woman are just as important as men are in the Church. We are just different and have different roles. I wish society as a whole would embrace our differences and celebrate them.
@CuriouStan 1st Corinthians chapter 14 verse 34. Read it in your Bible and then get back to me. If you go by the Bible you'll see. If you go by opinions then you are on your own
@@dougsmith9352 What are you even talking about? Are you trying to say that women and men aren’t equal in worth? Tell me how the verse you’ve referred to runs opposite to that idea.
@@dougsmith9352 1 cor 14:34 is speaking about tongues and prophesying in tongues, that what the while chapter is referring to in regards to edifying the church understanding of unknown tongues but you do have a point about the specific verse its really not of context to what Paul is speaking about in the chapter if it not referring to tongues alone, what do you make it out to be?
I was led to Jesus Christ by a woman pastor. I'm so glad she answered the call to be a pastor. I was suicidal at that time I met her, 20 years ago, and now I have a husband and a family of my own. She started pastoring at 15 and now is 80. She has led many to Christ. I believe it's the Holy Spirit in her that brings the harvest. God bless!!
That's amazing she led you to Christ and many others. That is a mandate by God regardless of gender. However the "office" of pastor is for men and men only. She would be to also teach you and others that she cannot hold the office of Pastor, but she can exercise her gifts of the spirit. Titus 1:5-9 and really close attention verse 16. Go back to the fall Genesis 3 and understand why God created order. This is not a man versus woman or men or better than women, this is a God in His holiness giving us roles and responsibilities in HIS kingdom. I hope your husband is saved and both of you are in the Word of God. I will be praying for you in your walk. (Please note this is said in a conversation tone, not argumentative.) Also, 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is helpful and gives clarity.
I know of a lady who goes to Pakistan to preach. I think she is about 80 yrs old. I have no doubt the Spirit of the Lord is upon her. As a matter of fact. I just watched her on TV today....Dec 27th. ...and she ROCKS. God bless her and her daughter.✝️
God is not gender prejudice, neither is the BORN-AGAIN REGENERATED MAN; the fallen UNREGENERATED UNREPENTANT man is; Many people here are either not born again or don't read the bible AKJV. THEY LISTEN MEN AND READ THEIR WRITINGS. GOD HAS HIS OWN WRITINGS AND PLAN.
I respect what God wants from me. I am a nurse and I use that as my ministry. I would love to be a pastor, but I know my God given place and I cherish it. Keeps me and my family safe.
Please PRAY about it, if God has given you the gifts of ministry you may be being called by the Holy Spirit to be a pastor. PRAY boldy and use discernment there are plenty of cases in which women have churches as Jesus has disciples. We take the gospels as word of God however the context of the time is that women were not educated equally and therefore the women did not write as men did. However women had churches, were deacons. and scripture even points to how women and men have to have a different role in church because of roman law: 1 Cor 34: 'Women[a] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.' notice how it is not his Law(mosaic or God'd Law which is capitalized and the government or roman law is not.) I also want to mention some senior pastors who had their own church, Aquila and Prisca.
My sister, if God has called you to Pastor you are a pastor whether you want to or not. If you don’t do it you’re being disobedient. Now with that being said, what would that look like for you? It means God has placed people in your life that he wants you to minister to. It doesn’t have to consist of a formal platform. When you open your mouth, that spot where you stand becomes the pulpit. It may be for a season and a reason God chose you to pastor/mentor those few. That’s what pastoring is. God bless
Season1 better2 Next time you express yourself make sure you at least have a vague idea of what Biblical doctrine is. The Bible speaks of roles, you seem to ignore that and give a verse that has nothing to do with the subject. Unless your 9 years old; I’d understand. 🤷🏻♂️
Season1 better2 Ignore te word “role”, but you have to discard the term “trinity”. They’re marked concepts. If the Bible says women shouldn’t be an authority over men in church all you have to do is obey. It seems it’s you who wants to twist scripture. 1 Timothy 3 gives the requisites for elders, it refers to men. If you say it applies to women you’re adding words that aren’t there. Then you are what you accuse me of. Stick to your own claims, will you?! 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you for addressing this topic!! I am a woman, and I am a Church of Christ Christian yesterday a friend of mine and myself we had this discussion she became upset with me I shared with her that I do not find, nor have I read anywhere in the Bible where a woman pastured the church. God has set a standard of order and an example with Adam and Eve the man Adam came/was first with or before Eve arrived that is the order and standard that we are under. not to say that a woman cannot teach she is to teach biblically to save the soul and bring to salvation that soul. like Priscilla and Aquilla but not to Shepard Gods people. if we even look at the examples of Shepards in the bible they are men that Shepard a flock or herd of people the congregation. that's the example that we have it not a position where the example or roles changes if it where God would have had it written in the Bible to tell us or show us. he has vision and fore sight. and his vision did not and has not changed we like to make things comfortable for us. even though a woman may have the gift of spreading the word she is not the Pastor of the flock of God. if she is and or was God would have told us so or had given us examples. men where sent out to lead and grow the church in the new testament
The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's people during this time period. Full essay read time: 12 minutes free postable here (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 Deborah, full essay read time: 12 minutes, free, postable
When someone says “I feel”… That is not applying logic, that is Emotion. Logical thinking is helpful when Reading the Bible to discern what God is telling us.
@Soupmaster101 Heather is quite right. Logic is "Reasoning assessed according to strict principles of validity" (Oxford Dictionary) It is not about feelings. YHVH expects us to use our minds (Genesis 2:19, Isaiah 1:18)
The same reason a man would. God calls everyone to serve him, if we don't do it, who will? Christianity is all about your relationship and connection with God, it's not based by gender at all. Which ever way you choose to serve God, he supports you. No where does it say women can't preach, or men have to preach. It's based on the male led society in thoes days, that's why we assume men have to lead the church.this is really based on the fact that can women preach to men? Because in the video, the man gave an example she can preach over the children's church, or a live session, etc. But not in a senior pastor church or congragation. So what is it? Can women preach , but not to men, or is it that women can't preach at all? until God himself a says women can't preach, that's when I'll change my mind. God gives both men and women gifts to serve him in any way and if thoes gifts happen to be to preach, so be it.
@@Galatians360 but God has called female pastors. It's not about gender, it's about what you are preaching. It's still the same word from God . A woman doesn't translate something wrong to it. Whoever can carry the church so be it. Joyce Myer is an amazing female pastors, I actually understood more from her. If God calls you he calls you
@@Galatians360 Albert of course I know God doesn't value women any less, but the fact that Adam was created first, and women second, doesn't have anything to do with how the church is ordered. Women aren't " acting like men" when they preach they are just doing what anyone would do. God has order and gives specific orders in the Bible, however he never mentioned that women should not preach. There is a place in the Bible where it says women should be silent, but that was from that scriptures writers understanding ( I think Peter). Ok if women should be silent, then how come women can preach in children's churches, that's contradictions your own words!!!!! Btw just because Satan approaches even first and was persuaded and tricked, is PURE HUMAN NATURE. if someone told you to not eat something, but didn't tell u why, or anything about it, its PURE HUMAN NATURE TO BE CURIOUS. Heck even also persuaded Adam to eat it too so what do u say about that. I appreciate your side of the argument, but u gave no viable eveidence to counter what I said.
@@Galatians360 I respect your opinion, but in order to be a pastor, you must preach as we all know. Of course women can preach, but they can also pastor. I am not anywhere trying to put words in your mouth, but the Bible is very clear about how things are supposed to run. And God doesn't joke about the church, therefore he wouldve been extremely specific on who he wanted to lead and preach the church. But he wasn't, because it doesn't matter what gender does, it's about the word you are learning, not who's mouth it comes from. All female pastors were called from God to lead Thier church. Trust me if God didn't want women to preach eh would've said so, and would've told thoes female pastors otherwise 😊
she was Paul's boss, was oftem mentioned before the husband and corrected apollos as well. Great leader... Phoebe deacon, Junia Apostle, Priscilla co-worker in Christ
@@19Ivano75 3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: Romans 16:3. No where does it say she was Paul’s boss a pastor or a teacher of the Word. She was a helper. Stop adding to the word of Gods will remove you from the book of life.
@@sophiacherrington6765 Wrong dear sister, Junia was Apostle, Miriam was Leader, Debora was Judges, Magdalene was the first Preacher, Philip's doughters were prophets, of corse they were not allowed to speak in public nor to learn to read the Scriptures, but does make things better? If so let us come back to slavery, which is what too many people in power would like.
As a woman living near San Francisco where all the roles, genders and values are blurred and consumed by chaos; thank you for providing Gods word in a clear and inviting way. ~blessings
@@marfialennox2642 I also live in the area. Idk why people make it seem like it's "that bad" here. God is omnipresent. He's just as much near and IN San Francisco as He is anywhere else. I'm not discounting the other comment, but we need to speak truth about this. God is very much here, too. Amen.
I am really grateful as ordained in office I still need to know more am in worship, and as worshiper I think it is very important to study everything concerning leading a worship team what i must do because i was looking over internet for someone to explain this but thank God that i can come across a teacher am willing to learn more not to old to take more in especially the word of God and teachings. so was very well explained thank you🙏
Actually, the position of senior pastor is not even scriptural. The bible states clearly that there are to be more than one elder leading the flock. ELDERS SHOULD SHEPHERD GOD’S FLOCK. (Acts 20:28; 1 Pet. 5:2.) The word “shepherd” is the same as “pastor.” The work of pastoring is shared by the elders. It is impossible for one man to adequately pastor a church this large. The ministry of pastoring involves doing what a shepherd does for his sheep: He knows them (John 10:14); he leads them (John 10:3-4); he feeds them and guides them into the rich pastures of God’s Word (John 10:9; 1 Thess. 5:12; Titus 1:9; Heb. 13:7); he guards them from wolves (John 10:12; Acts 20:29-30); he seeks the lost and straying sheep and helps heal their wounds by getting them restored to the Lord (John 10:16; Ezek. 34:4-5); he corrects the erring or rebellious (2 Tim. 4:2); he equips the flock for maturity so that they can serve the Lord as He has gifted them (Eph. 4:11-16).
I noticed in the video he kept using the term senior pastor. So I don't think he is exclusively referring to one person but a team. But either way it's clear from the scriptures he presented the roles of men and women on this topic.
Paul says in his epistles that women are to remain humble and silent. It's to maintain order. If women want to lead than they are subject to ALL THE REQUIREMENTS men have had to do to attain their positions mentally and physically, without complaint, assistance from a man or special womens rights.
Super accurate comment. True and soud. However, it misses the main concept of the video ya know... So why throw it out there? Elder or senior pastor, Scripture simply makes this a male role. Just try and stick to the discussion and don't get tangential.
@@pastorsouther "It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling." Proverbs 20:3 Meddle MED'DLE, verb intransitive 1. To have to do; to take part; to interpose and act in the concerns of others, or in affairs in which one's interposition is not necessary; often with the sense of intrusion or officiousness. I have thus far been an upright judge, not meddling with the design nor disposition. What hast thou to do to meddle with the affairs of my family? Why should'st thou meddle to thy hurt? 2 Kings 14:10. 2. To have to do; to touch; to handle. meddle not with edge-tools, is an admonition to children. When the object is specified, meddle is properly followed by with or in; usually by the former. The civil lawyers--have meddled in a matter that belongs not to them. MED'DLE, verb transitive To mix, to mingle. He meddled his talk with many a tear. Webster's 1828, Meddle: webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/meddle
From what I know (and in no way am I trying to say that I know a lot), some people look at their pastor/s, feel convicted, and think "I want to be a pastor!" Sometimes that's not God's plan for them (as in my case), and sometimes it is (like in the case of one of my uncles). (Btw sorry for any grammatical errors.)
for me God is looking for people who will serve Him, if someone will volunteer himself to serve Him, di you think God will says no? as Jesus said pray to the father to send more workers to harvest the fields? #justforme
I dont think so . Seems pretty clear in the bible to me . But I do believe women ministries are so wonderful . Very much needed ! To teach young women how to be a women , helping each other raise children , be good wife's etc. And just a women's bible study and stuff . But no women don't need to lead Great video !
Linda Saffles yes ! And there's nothing wrong with that . It does. Jot make us less than men . We have different yet very important roles . I wish people could understand that so they could be better at serving the Lord and his people properly . Instead of trying to everything men can do . The world as well needs stop claiming it doesn't need men and realize that we need each other ! Without both roles , you can have one really messed up child
One issue I have is, when a man needs counsel, how can he go to a woman pastor? I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that. A man would be better off talking to his wife, rather than to another woman, especially one who has not been called or qualified to be a pastor which no women is. There is a woman "pastor" at our church and I cringe every time she gets up before the congregation. Beside the fact that I Timothy 2 says it is not allowed for women to preach, I Corinthians 14:35 says it is disgraceful or shameful. Enough said.
It isn't that simple. I post on such matters. I have a postable short essay on Deborah (the Judge). I believe the gender matter was settled with her. God wanted to do that early on. Even before the people sinned and asked for a king, that is a man, to rule over them. So even before God was 'rejected', as the scriptures say: ...but they have rejected Me from being King over them. -excerpt 1 Samuel 8 Also a much shorter post called 'Complementarianism' can be pasted up if requested by anyone. It is certainly a false teaching.
Brother Allen I think you are sound in your teaching. But I have encountered a lot of women who want to bring feminism into the Church. If you mention this topic you are called a misoginist and it usually quickly goes downhill from there. Thank you for being courageous enough to tackle this subject as not many will.
Yep, that has been my perspective as well. People appeal more to their emotions than anything else and that is what I wanted to guard against. So far the comments have all been respectful. Thanks Wayne,
There is a strong spirit of rebellion that has come into the church in this way. God's order is crystal clear and not argued by at all by serious scholars. The problems come from people simply not accepting what the word of God says.
Though I respectfully disagree with some of your finer points I greatly admire your zeal for The Word. Never lose that appetite for the wisdom and knowledge of The Most High. Be blessed, brother! 👍🏾 (Matt. 5:6)
This is spot on with what the bible says! Well done, brother Allen, for sticking to biblical truth! For me personally, I would never want to be in the role of pastor. There is SO much responsibility as well as emotional and spiritual strength needed for that job. People, pray for your pastor!!
Allen, you did a wonderful job in handling this sensitive issue according to the contextual truth of scripture. It’s wonderful to hear sound doctrine when it’s rarely preached these days. May God continue to bless you’re ministry and you’re family.
@@psalmswisdom8165 no, a woman cannot be a pastor, or teach even. Unless it's her own children she's teaching. And younger siblings. We can go soulwinning. We must look to God for His final authority. Praise Jesus. My Lord and my God.
Remember when Jesus said deny yourself , that means the things you thought to be true, right, wrong , your feelings. I don’t think we are willing to be taught
"I feel" is confirmed by the Holy Spirit if it is the truth. Too many look at the man, and judge him wrong, yet he's right. Does anyone ask God anymore, or do they think their study will yield the truth? You should, for God knows.
Where does God specifically say a woman should not be a pastor. If you're sure of what you're saying why give conditions. Paul may have applied circumspection to make his recommendations.
My question is, if it’s widely known and widely recognized that it’s not uncommon for a woman to possess a stronger pastoral ability as you mentioned, why do we get back into the legalistic version of Christianity after Jesus is comes, dies, and is resurrected? All spiritual gifts are given by God and God alone so the point I struggle with is hearing God gives His gifts out, we recognize some women would be the best fit for a pastoral position, yet because she’s not a man we politely decline her from being a pastor. If we are all called to be ambassadors for Christ and we see clear evidence a woman has this unique gift that not everyone possess, why try and silence that gift and/or minimize the reach of said gift by putting her in a Sunday school classroom instead? Why do we symbolize a pulpit as a position of authority but standing in front of a class of the same exact people a lesser authority? Makes no sense to me. If a woman can go out and preach the gospel and convert non believers why is that fantastic but the moment she passes through the doorway of a specific building she needs to keep that message within the confines of person to person instead of person to group? It’s just strange to me we allow them to do exactly what a pastor does in every sense of the meaning except give them the title….
The Judges were pastors. Deborah was a Judge over Israel. I suggest my short and free essay on her. It always goes back to her in my opinion. ____________________________________________________ Complementarianism That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are. The complementarian teaching prohibits a Christian woman from holding certain positions in a church. They can't be elders neither can they teach men. So why is that? The false teaching makes it clear that the priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy. Those that are higher, the men, can be in leadership positions, like elder. They can teach other men. Those in the lower tier can not be in leadership positions, like elder. They are prohibited from teaching men, because the men are in the higher tier. It wouldn't make any sense. A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier. A Christian that is in the lower tier (woman) is not allowed to complain of the tier she was placed in. That would be sin, because God made her a woman by His choice. She should accept and also embrace her position in the lower tier. A church, is either a group of Christian men or a group of Christian men and women. A church can never be a group of Christian women, because it would be a group of only those in the lower tier. It would have no elders. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Since the teaching states that women are spiritually inferior to men, but they aren't, but they are, when did that start? But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer. -excerpt 1 Timothy 2 It started with the first woman. She was deceived, and sinned because of it. So we have a teaching that accepts that men and women are fallen beings. Both genders are sinful by nature. However women are different. They are lacking the ability that men have to judge if some situation, some concept or teaching is sinful. This inability was passed down from Eve to all women. It remains to this day. A woman in our time was 'lacking' from birth, even from the womb. So what can be done? Nothing according to Complementarianism. That is because an anointing of that powerful masculine being called the Holy Spirit, is just not sufficient. Even the Holy Spirit can not elevate even one Christian woman to the spiritually superior level of a Christian man.
I am a Christian and have been in leadership prior to coming to our current church and I agree with what you are saying. We are in a church now that we love and recently changed hands to a female Pastor who has been in the church for a while. She is a wise woman, well educated, very humble and loving and we love her and her family. She has also been through the ringer and treated poorly by men in the church but handled it biblically though it hurt her. But my husband and I have said just about everything you have said and even the same scripture was brought up in Galatians to justify a female pastor and the OT women as well. We said the same thing as you did, but to no avail. It's hard because we do love this woman and she definitely has a gift of bringing the word to people but we have to stay with the Word. My point I gave is that if the church teaches the biblical order of God, and we are to follow that order AND follow the church as our example, then how can a woman be the head of the church yet she cannot be the head of her home. That is confusing. She cant say "I feel called to be the head of my home" and go for it. You cant do the same in church. The enemy's goal is to do opposite of God and that means reversing the order especially in the church. We see it in our society and it's in the church.
Regardless if she should be preaching her or not it’s ridiculous that Christian men are treating her poorly. I’m not surprised though because men often treat women terrible when they are in authoritative positions
Thank you for your comment, Sister Michelle. I appreciate how you made the correlation between leading the home and leading the church. Thanks, again. Sending love from California 🌴☀️
Found your channel today and mannnn this is a serious blessing! I’m seeing all the titles and idk which to go through first lol - May God continue to lead you in true wisdom that only He can give - blessings from Trinidad 🇹🇹
The bible is very clear on this topic. If you are saved, you should have the spirit of faith according to whats written. What is written is so. We can't get caught up in what we think, what sounds good, who we think God should use or how well she speaks. The bible is the final authority. There is absolutely no where in the bible where in the bible where a women was a pastor, bishop, elder apostle or evangelist. Some women can preach much better than a man but we shouldn't go against God because she draws the crowd and the money. If we are not willing to stick to whats written, what's the sense in carrying a book that you dont believe in? God says NO! That is the order of the church. Again, if it is written, its so. AMEN...
@@jacobite9131 You are either jew or gentile. You sound like your in that racist group Hebrew Israelites and no man makes to heaven hating someone because of their born race. The lost are the ones who the devil doesn't allow to get in the Word for knowledge and then God sends me to bring the light to the lost... 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 King James Version (KJV) 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world (satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
We Preach The Word of God For Them That Are Lost: The question remains: according to the Bible (not you or me) what's the only nation/race of people on earth that's lost? By the way, your or YOUR or "YOUR" cannot be in anything, irrespective to how you look at it! I'm going to warm you up with the very first book in the New Testament: Matthew ch, 15v24, Romans ch, 9v7 and in the Old Testament: Genesis 17v19 1st Peter ch, 2v9! The number 2 comes before 4, did you read 2nd Corinthians verse 1 to ascertain that the saints were being addressed or targeted and who are the saints according to the Bible and who is the OUR in verse 3 and whose minds were blinded in verse 4?? Look here plantation Tobacco/cotton fields Christian: Psalms ch, 148v14!
If you are actually working on a PhD I suggest you read this academic journal: www.cbeinternational.org/resource/article/priscilla-papers-academic-journal/bible-teaches-equal-standing-man-and-woman It explicitly explains how the bible actually does promote woman leaders. Most of our errors in understanding come from not understanding the original Greek or Hebrew
In Rom 16:1-16, Paul greets by name ten people he identifies as colleagues in Christian ministry. Seven of the ten are women: Phoebe, “deacon of the church of Cenchrea” (16:1) and “leader16 of many, including myself” (16:2); Junia, “outstanding among the apostles” (16:717); Prisca, “my fellow worker in Christ Jesus” (16:3; cf. Phil 4:3); and Mary, Tryphaena, Tryphosa, and Persis “worked hard in the Lord” (16:6, 12). First Corinthians 16:16 urges believers “to be subject to every fellow laborer.” First Thessalonians 5:12 identifies “those who labor among you” as “those who are over you in the Lord.” It cannot be stressed enough that Paul is not simply listing these women as believers, but as ministry leaders. Paul greets many believers in this passage, but describes as ministry leaders only ten people, and seven of those are women. The three men are Aquila, Andronicus, and Urbanus. The first two are listed with their wives, highlighting their shared authority. Paul’s naming such a high proportion of women leaders in an open society is unparalleled in the entire history of ancient Greek literature and suggests a level of female leadership in the early church exceptional for its culture.
I Love the Lord and He sent me to preach right from a tender age...He taught me the Scriptures and also how to teach.. At times I ask the Lord about this part for women preachers and I had made a decision to keep quiet...then I remembered I would be disobeying God and his assignments for my life I don't force men to listen to me...NO I teach as the Lord leads me...and anyone can Listen I have become resolute in myself that let GOD judge me for turning others to Christ through his Spirit. We are gladly expecting Christ return....I acknowledge the scriptures on this matter....but I can't but obey my saviour...and in the word's of Paul. WOE IS ME IF I DON'T PREACH THE GOSPEL
Thank you for this video...I have been trying to figure some of these things out thru scriptures and seeking the Lord. This has definitely helped me by giving me more wisdom, knowledge and understanding and confirmation 😊
Hi Allen, I’ve been watching your videos for a while and they are so helpful to me. You have an amazing gift from the Lord. Thank you for making these videos. God bless you!
Thank you brother Allen! I agree that women are allowed to serve in the church being in submission to God and the church leadership. However I wish to add this. When I worked in Singapore , I attended a church which had a female senior pastor, she was an American who lived in Singapore for decades and helped establish this megachurch. She was just excellent, so powerful in her messages, and a wonderful godly leader. She was an excellent example for all women, especially us younger females in the way she dressed with such modesty, in her passion for God and His people and her humility, she had a warm,caring personality. She trained the younger Singaporean pastors, and many years ago she left the church and a male senior pastor was appointed. When I lived in Beijing, I worked for a huge international church which had an American senior elder, a male - who was so difficult to work with, he gave the impression that he disapproved of non American women, I did not feel shepherded by this man, he treated me with disapproval and anger, everyone used to complain about him even his sermons lacked depth. So I think it may in some cases depend on the character and personality of female leaders in the church, their heart , passion for God and commitment to honor God and His Word- women like Paula White have absolutely no business in church leadership. But as a woman, I submit to Gods Word and choose to honor His Word. Personally, I have never had any desire to be a pastor of a church, I love building relationships with people and encouraging them, praying with them, one on one.
I would like to start by saying I appreciate your willingness to discuss difficult things. Open dialogue always brings clarity in my opinion. That being said, I would encourage you to research the original language used in some of the scripture you referenced. For example, you referenced the use of the pronoun “he” when describing the qualifications for overseers and deacons. If you look at the original Greek text, there are no pronouns used. The pronouns are simply added in to allow the verses to make more sense in the English language. I’m not suggesting translators shouldn’t use pronouns when translating, simply that those added pronouns are not a sound argument to support men only as head pastors. Also, maybe take some time to look into where the role “pastor” comes from in the New Testament, In my research I have found there are no specific examples of a head pastor in the 1st century Church. The closest roles found would be an apostle, disciple, or maybe some one that is prophesying. Women are specifically stated to fill all of these roles. (Junia, pricilla, Phillips daughters, lydia, Tabitha etc.) You could potentially argue that the role of Elders or Deacons would Translate to a head pastor, but I would be willing to bet the your Church has a separate role for elders, deacons, and pastors. (Not the mention the fact that phoebe is specially referred to as a deacon in scripture) When it comes to this topic, there is not one clear answer. It seems almost like scripture is contradicting itself, I believe it seems this way because of our limited context. In these instances I have found it helpful to read the unclear in light of the clear. There are some truths that are repeated and highlighted to many times in scripture that you can’t ignore them, I believe we should read unclear scripture in light of what’s clear. Jesus loved each of us so much have his life to be with us, when he went back to heaven he gave us the gift of his Holy Spirit. In Christ, there are no Jew nor gentile, no slave nor free, no male nor female. When you look at scripture through the undeniable lense of the gospel, things that seem to contradict each other start to make sense.
Isaiah 55:8-9 New International Version 8 “For my thoughts(A) are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,”(B) declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,(C) so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.(D)
I admire you. You stand for your faith even if it's unpopular. I love it and it helps me to clear up things I thought were right and you confirmed. God speaks through His Word, I pray and He brings to memory Bible verses or thoughts that I didn't know I knew and then He never fails to confirm. No, He does NOT speak to me audibly but through the Spirit. It takes growth to understand SpiritSpeak but once you do, it is so amazing. God bless you.
Thank you so much Brenda. It is not easy to stand up for what we believe but at the end of the day, we cannot argue with the clear teaching of the word of God. Jesus said that we would be unpopular and outnumbered, but we must stand firm.
Allen, I enjoy your channel and you do a wonderful job at approaching different issues in the church. Thank you! This is a contentious subject that quite a few denominations struggle with and have capitulated to in this area. I’ve gone through Bible college at ACU and even at the university level there are those that believe it is ok for a woman to pastor. I know that you mentioned that it is your personal opinion and I’ve approached this from my personal opinion and the biblical text, in its context! Such as you do Allen. I’ve come to find that those that believe a woman can pastor say the same, it is “our”opinion that a woman can pastor and that your missing some of the history as to what the Apostle Paul was really saying about a woman’s role in the church. Unfortunately what has happened is feminism and progressive (ism) has taken a foot hold in quite a few denominations. The Apostle Paul takes it all the way back to the garden of Eden, Adam being formed first and then Eve being created from his rib and so on... It is very difficult to reach those that believe a woman can pastor even men that ordain or allow women to pastor, you cannot reason with them even with the Bible and it’s immediate context and the cannon of scripture as a whole. Anyhow great job Allen! Have a blessed day!
I can use that same garden of eden story. Man was created first. He was given the word first. He was suppose to protect first. Eve was created second. The serpent came to the younger one spiritually. Adam stood by and allowed his wife to be decieved, then when busted by God, he blamed both God and the woman. Thus the reason women were encouraged to learn the word of God deeply, and why when no man is willing to do God's work properly, God will use a Woman. Oh and God did not use a man to create His Son. Now once you all move past the SOT (sex organ theology), then some of the stupidity and apostasy many Male leaders have allowed to creep up in the garden, can start to be destroyed with the help of wise and learned women.
women are made to be "helpers" that is not a degrading role.. It is a honor to be a Godly wife and worthy of praise!! God is a God of order and structure. God, man, woman, children. A woman needs to feel loved, a man needs to feel respected. simple. However, this does give women the 'green light" to have authority over a man! No where in new testament does it talk about women pastors!! iof you are a woman and you feel offended by this. Take it up with God! He is LORD!
see... rebellion already!! How many women did you see charging the beaches of Normandy (France) during world war 2??? Zero. STOP trying to be something your not!
@@richardbarton6146 Sounds like it's a control issue with you Richard, rather than a ''Role" issuel?l? Either way, a little love and respect goes a very long way when speaking to someone! No need to talk down to someone that simply made a valid point!!! I personally believe that men ARE suppose to lead according to Gods order ;however, some men are just not qualified! If you cant lead with love and respect then you have no place leading!!! There isn't room for ego or attitude in God's kingdom. Just LOVE💕
@@tw9664 I knew I would get a negative reaction from a woman! and shazam!! there you are, I Just told you what the Word of God teaches!! It sounds like your the one with a "control issue"!! feminism is NOT from God!!
@@richardbarton6146 you need to relax dude. It says in the Bible that not all men are suited to be husbands and not all men are worthy of being submitted too !!! Point blank period, Men are supposed to lead, but women also have a say in things. If I don’t think you are trustworthy, I am simply not letting you lead me. Period.
Thank you brother Parr for this video. It's quite an issue in The Netherlands at the moment. Various Christian denominations wanted to merge, but for a long time they could not agree on whether or not women could become senior pastors. After years of meetings they have agreed that women may become senior pastors and so the merge will take place. However, there is a group of believers who disagree (that are members of this denomination), who adhere to what God's Word says about this. Now it is said of them: Christians who disagree with this (that women may be senior pastors) should not be regarded as second-class Christians. Really? That they even have to get the word out to call those christians (me included), who adhere to the scripture, not to call them 'second class Christians'. I don't know if my contribution is of any relevance, but it really occupies me at the moment. If not, you can just throw it away.
In the age of so much confusing misinformation it is imperative-that we study the word of God for ourselves and allow the Holy Spirit to help us rightly divide the word so that we don’t misinterpret the message and mislead others. Humans in their efforts to explain interpretations of the word are flawed but the great teacher the Holy Spirit is faithful to teach us individually and guide us into the truth without error. It is amazing to see how many misinterpretations of the scriptures are stated and misunderstood. The original intent from the beginning was for men and women to be equal in the eyesight of God and men and women still are. The only deviation from that identified in the scriptures is in the marriage covenant Where in the scripture does it state that Gods men and women are equal in His eyes and can be used everywhere equally except in His church🤔. Role differences and responsibilities specifically in husband and wife relationships are clearly defined throughout the bible Remember God and Him alone has authority to use whomever He wants, when and however He wants to as long as they are willing. Consider this …how many millions of souls would and could be lost if it were not for female leaders teachers prophetess pastors and preachers. Please Study the scriptures for yourselves , pray, pray, and pray again to know the full truth of Gods word which promises to liberate us and make us free🙏
Well taught Pastor, beautiful exegesis of truth from the Word. This message needs to be heard publicly on every channel worldwide. Men that are Pastor's need to lift their voices like a trumpet and stand for the truth, and stop being the tail...God, man then woman
1:56 I don't think 'logic' is the correct term, I think the correct term would be 'bias'. Logic technically means a valid interpretation of truth without inconsistency or fallacy. Love your videos by the way, please keep posting lessons like this.
I’m ordained preacher and a woman. I was ordained year’s ago. Now I myself don’t believe in women preachers. Their are roles that women can play in the church. But not pastoring
Thanks for your presentation, Allen. I love your systematic breakdown of the topic and how easy your thoughts were to follow. I wish that all the sermons we heard were as easy as this to follow. And you gave so much detail in just over ten minutes, much more than we often hear in a dozen sermons. But I have some thoughts contrary to some of what you said. I hope no-one thinks I am bashing by disagreeing. One of the reasons why the NT does not show women in pastoral roles, and it is also the main reason why Jesus did not call women as Apostles, was that in that day women just did not have those roles. There are other people he did not call to be Apostles, like Gentiles. For the credibility of His mission as it started he chose a particular culture and was going to transform the lives of many beginning with that culture. The ministry would have been dead in the water if he started out with practices that the common person in the day saw as offensive as having Gentile or Women leaders. Paul seems to utilize the same strategy in the NT in some places, like in Ephesians 5 - 6. When he appeals to the household order (Men, Women, Children, Slaves) he is not using a hierarchy created by God but by Aristotle who lived centuries before him. In such an understanding of the order men held absolute power in the household and prescribed duties for the others to follow. What is interesting here is that in each couplet the Apostle mentions (Husband - Wife, Parents - Children, Masters - Slaves) he puts the greater emphasis on the man as to what is prescribed by God for him. He does this very smartly, because if he merely addressed the man without speaking to the responsibilities of the others in the household, the teaching would be summarily rejected. But Paul's strategy was planting a bug in the age-old system of oppressive relationships that gave the man the power to do as he liked. By ordering a new class of relationship, and if the man (and others) complied, then the world would be a better place. It is a fantastic missionary strategy he used with Philemon, to accept again his runaway slave, Onesimus, instead of having him put to death as the law of the land required. By accepting him as a brother Philemon fulfilled the law of the love of Christ and did not go against the law of the land. Onesimus went on to become Bishop of Byzantium. I totally agree with you that Paul was dealing with a local matter in 1 Corinthians 14. But what was that matter? The Corinthians, particularly the Jewish Christians there, were insisting on Rabbinical Law that kept women silent in religious gatherings. In 14:34-35 Paul quotes from the letter he received from the household of Chloe, as he does elsewhere in the book, and then rejects it. "What, did the word of God come to you? We have no other practice in any of the other congregations?" Nowhere else were they silencing women because this would have been going against the nature of the Gospel as outlined in Galatians 3:28. Then there is the 1 Timothy 2 passage. Paul there is speaking to a local situation in Ephesus of a "Christian Cult" appealing to women to take charge over their situations, even if it means reversing traditional roles of the family. False teachers had wormed there way into the homes of weak-willed women (not all women) and gained control of them (2 Timothy 3:6). Many of the elements of that cult were destructive to the family and particularly to the Christian witness in the community. In such circumstances Paul appeals to the account of Adam and Eve to show what happens when the woman tries to act independently of the man. He appeals to the same story two other times in the NT and in each case he makes a different point. In Romans 5 Adam is the culprit who plunges all humanity into sin, perhaps because he was not deceived. In 2 Corinthians 11:3 he refers to the story but places all the blame on the serpent, though he does say that Eve was deceived. If the passage is teaching that women should not teach men because women are easily deceived then why should they teach other women or children? The admonition here that women should learn in silence is an admonition to anyone (man, woman and child) who wants to teach while possessing a spirit of superiority and irreverence for the things of God. Such is not compatible with the attitude God desires for His servants who will be leading others One last point - appealing to the way I feel is not "logics" but an appeal to emotions. You asked your viewers not to do that, but in various parts of the presentation you did just that.
In the verse I have provided below, Paul clearly refers to Phebe as a "Diakonos" in Greek. I have also attached the Greek (strongs concordance) definition of the word "servant" (Diakonos) in that verse to help understand. Women can absolutely do these things, and Paul makes it clear. Hope this helps! Romans 16:1 [1]I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: Greek: διάκονος Transliteration: diakonos Pronunciation: dee-ak'-on-os Definition: Probably from διάκω diakō (obsolete to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant that is (generally) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specifically a Christian teacher and pastor (technically a deacon or deaconess): - deacon minister servant. KJV Usage: minister (20x), servant (8x), deacon (3x). Occurs: 31 In verses: 29
Amen, Brother Allen! Just because women are not necessarily called into Pastorship does not mean they aren’t called into a different type of ministry. My Pastor’s wife is the Lead of the Children’s Ministry of which I am apart of. God bless women who have been called into Christian ministry by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
As a Christian woman I agree with you 100%! (Our opinions are not necessary to the Bible tho) I loved the part on importance of roles. A dollar bill and 4 quarters look different, and yet their value is the same!
But his opinion is that woman is not a senior pastor, but can be junior pastor. Him and Frank Turek. So do you agree with that or that it is for men only?
I don't know when you made an assertion stating on how you feel. To me you just pointed facts, except where you stated that Paul was addressing a women at Corinth, but I agree with that also. At the end of the day, if the Holy Spirit calls you to lead then you go with the Holy Spirit. That's my opinion.
This is absolutely correct but I would like you to say more on the part in the book of Timothy that say women should not teach or usurp authority over the men?
What is usurp? How is preaching, or proclaiming, the gospel of Yeshuah to men usurping? Is that what the apostle Paul means? Or is man's misinterpretation of the this and other scriptures?
@@debell33320001 I am a Seventh Day Adventist and I do believe that women are allowed to teach in church. Paul only told women to not interrupt a pastor and wait to talk with her husband, afterwards. No one should interrupt a sermon and that includes men.
@@mywayfernandez8704 No! Woman cannot preach to men there are so much bible verses that prove that. You are a false prophet. The whole seventh day adventism thing is.
I refuse to follow men. Paul taught that women should not teach and usurp authority IN THE CHURCH. But there is no instruction that they are not allowed to do it elsewhere. Please let's just follow scriptures alone and not our perceptions or personal beliefs. Let God be true and others a liar.
It is important to note that there are no gender disqualifications for many of these office(s). There are many female leaders mentioned in the Bible who operated in positions of “church” leadership. There is a difference between Headship in the House (Family Structure) and Headship in the Body of Christ. The Holy Spirit has no gender, and in the Kingdom, we are ALL one. Much of the opposition to women in ministry is based on these two passages: “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” (Corinthians 14:33-35) “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:11-12) Related verses: 1 Corinthians 11:3, Ephesians 5:22-23. As with much of the Bible, some background information is helpful for interpreting these passages: Biblical-era society was very much male-dominated. The status of women was much like that of children today -- totally subservient to the male head-of-household. It would have been considered scandalous for a woman to take a leadership role with authority over men. Biblical-era women were not educated and were mostly confined to domestic duties. A woman would not have had the education needed to take a teaching role. The young Christian communities in the Mediterranean area were already looked upon as hotbeds of dangerous heretics by the pagan majorities. The apostle Paul and other church leaders were very concerned about avoiding any appearance of scandal that would make a bad impression on the people they wanted to convert to Christianity (Titus 2:3-8, 1 Corinthians 14:22-24), or worse, that could be used to justify the persecution of Christians. Humility is an important theme throughout the New Testament. Virtue comes from obedience to God, not from rebelling against society's norms (1 Peter 2:13-17). Thus, slaves should accept freedom if offered, but, if not, should be obedient to their masters in all things (1 Corinthians 7:20-24, Colossians 3:22-24, 1 Peter 2:18-21). Similarly, women should not rebel against their lot in life (1 Peter 3:1-6). Although he accepted that people may have different roles in society, the apostle Paul proclaimed that all believers are equal in God's sight: "You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (NIV, Galatians 3:26-29) God has used women such as Junia The Apostle (Romans 16:7). A number of women held important positions in the early Christian churches (Acts 1:12-14, 18:24-26, 21:7-9, Romans 16:1-16). A number of women are mentioned as leaders and prophets of Israel, including Miriam (Exodus 15:20), Deborah (Judges 4:4-5), Esther (Esther 4:15-17), Huldah (2 Kings 22:14) and Athaliah (2 Chronicles 22:10-12). If your “church” is forbidding women to lead and to preach your church is operating in the Spirit of Error. Here is some great advice on how to increase male engagement at your church: edifythebody.org/curriculums/
Terri! 👏👏👏👏👏 You betta with those historical facts!!!!! 👏👏👏👏💃💃💃🙏 You said exactly what I was going to say. Plus, Paul says, " I do not permit a woman to teach"... making a distinction between what God/Holy Spirit has said and his own standing/belief. There is no male and female when speaking from the Holy Spirit which should be the only way one preaches/teaches God's people. Therefore, there should be no issue with women pastoring a church. Also, the Messiah, Jesus is he absolute head of the church! As long as the Pastor (male/female) submits to Him and is obedient to Him there is no issue with who is physically leading the church.
Yes! I was just thinking this!! God can use any vessel: men, women, even a child to preach his word because the true word does not come from man it comes from God. The first person Jesus revealed himself to after his resurrection was a woman ( Mary Magdeline) and he told her to proclaim the good news, which is that he had risen.
@@mawilove3418 He is speaking of Pastoring/overseerer, not preaching or teaching. Based on scripture and Christ interaction with his disciples and followers the Holy Spirit will not do what Jesus didn't. The Holy Spirit comes to remind us of what Jesus said. Jesus did not select a woman when he selected the disciples, so therefore the Holy Spirit would not do what Jesus didn't. A helpmate is not an overseerer or Shepherd. I don't believe the the new testament Bible teaches woman pastoring over men.
You said the Holy Spirit doesn’t have a gender? That is inaccurate. John 14:26 NASB [26] But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. John 16:13 NASB [13] But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 1 Corinthians 12:11 NASB [11] But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
Paul also never mentioned education as the basis for the command. He sites creation. Galatians is about everyone receiving salvation and isn’t removing gender or gender roles. no one stops being their God given gender when coming to Christ.
Praise the Lord!!! I agree with everything you taught and explained... God has been revealing this topic to me on more than one occasion through other RUclipsrs and videos... my mom is a pastor and I attend her church.. I'm 21, in college and living with her so I cannot move out.. yet I don't want to because I wanna help her out with whatever she may need help with.. but I keep getting this conviction that she should not be leading a church in a dominate role, while my Dad is very, very,passive... God has also revealed to me to look at how female pastors' marriages are... they either have no husbands, there husbands are disabled/passive , or there husbands are feminate... please pray that God will have mercy on my mom and on our family!!!
Wow, that is tough. Do you not have a choice as to which church you attend? You should not attend a church out of feeling pressure. You should go where God leads you.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr I have no choice as to where I can attend.. I have to attend my mother's church... I live under her roof and I have to abide by what she says.. But I know I want a man of God to lead and cover me pastorally... I am just so torn...what do you think I should do?
Chelsea E. Aww bless you. This is a tough one, it is one which may require fasting in line with prayers. I pray that the HOLY GHOST visit your household mightily, in JESUS name. Amen.
1. I would like to preach on the subject: woman's ministry. First we notice that God created man on the sixth day and in the last place, and there was no woman. Then He rested on the seventh day, in which you must see years and years. Then seeing that the man was alone, God decided to make him a helpmate. If not, in the original plan, God had not found it necessary. That is why the good reading of Genesis 2:18 is: "And Jehovah Elohim said, It is not [too] good that man should be alone; I will make him a helpmate, his like." 2. So woman was not in the original plan of God but she is a by-product of man. Female dogs, hens and the other females are original creatures of God but it is not so with woman. That is why within each animal species, the mating takes place per period, contrarily to humans. And you will not see a dog mounting on a pregnant female. You see? Which is not the case with humans. Even an elderly woman who is already past menopause still has some sexual relations. You see? I can therefore say with respect that woman is the lowest in the creation.
I totally agree with everything you said! Woman can have an important role but we can’t be lead pastors! I’ve always wanted to oversee young women! Children, teen and young women ministry. It wouldn’t feel right overseeing men.
Hi! I love your videos. Here is scripture refuting. Romans 16:1-2 commends Phoebe as a deacon in the church of Cenchreae. According to Titus 1:7, 1 Tim 3:8-13 deacons are to manage God's household. Distinction extends beyond family but meaning the church. Phoebe as deacon probably did. Romans 16:7 shows Junia as apostle possibly. As an apostle it would show leadership and church startup.
“Deacon” That is a translation problem. “I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a 👉servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:” Romans 16:1 KJV “diakonos” / Deacon should have been translated into servant but whatever Bible you are using drop the ball. How do I know this? Because Paul clearly states that women cannot be leaders. We use Bible to interpret Bible. Also Romans 16:7 says “Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, 👉who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.” Romans 16:7 KJV That is not calling them Apostles, that is saying they were well know among the apostles. Hope that helps, God Bless!!
@@shopson6991 “And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.” Mark 9:35 KJV
How about you stop saying it's your prospective, and you respect the opposite prospective....giving leniency that either or may be right....and simply give Gods perspective as the only truth. Now days too many churches are watering down scripture just because they feel "the subject is controversal" instead of BOLDLY preaching what God says in the bible. Don't worry about not being popular...Jesus...God Himself was beaten....spit on...scoffed...and finally crucified.....you stand up for what is right and stop this "please don't be mad at me" attitude that is common currently. I don't apologize for Christ's words....and you shouldn't speak less boldly on subjects simply because they are controversial
I concur. It softens the message and leads people to thinking you aren't absolutely sure and that this is your opinion when it is in fact God's word period. clap clap clap
I agree that a woman should not be preachers. I am a speaker. I mostly speak on pro-life issues, but I also do other talks. Usually, it is at a rally or a Saturday event, but there have been a few times I have been asked to speak on a Sunday morning. Some people have questioned why I would speak on a Sunday morning if I am against Woman preachers. I personally believe a special guest speaker is not the same thing as a preacher. I am curious as to your thoughts on this.
Let me give y'all a quick history lesson along with some context regarding 1 Tim. 2:11-14. When this verse was written the city which it was written to was mostly worshipping a goddess named Diana ( I believe that's her name it 2am please cut me some slack😂), anyways, at this time of history, your religion made who you were, what role you would play, and what you would do. At this time this idol was worshipped by almost all this city. The particular thing about this idol is that she was the goddess of fertility. So this ment she had priestess that would preform the demonic rituals and so forth. The women running it were Greek women. Which differed from the Jew women in this city. Jew women, at this point in history, were not allowed to leave the kitchen, not allowed to enter the living room, not allowed to speak to men at anytime. And this followed in synagogues. As we all know, women and men are separated in synagogues, and in this part of history, men would sit on the first floor of the synagogue and women in the second. Again this was so different from what the Greek women had experienced their whole lives. These women were loud, outspoken, and had been raised on this culture who worshipped this idol. So the problem comes when the Greek women would convert. When they converted, they had to follow the rules that were set on place in the synagogue. Men on the bottom floor, women on top floor. When these women had questions, concern's, or even were just talking , they were extremely loud. Therefore when the letter was written, he asked them to not speak and not to participate at all. This verse has been taken out of historical context for decades. If the Bible were this cut and dry, we would have to agree with slavery, and racism. I truly appreciate everyone's opinion and interest in the Bible. But once again. It's not as cut and dry. There are historical stories and facts that come along in these texts. There are no women pastors in the NT because if there was, at that time, Jesus would have not been respected the way he was. The had to ADAPT to the culture to be able to reach the people. Yet you see Jesus talking to the women at the water well. When again in this point in history it was shamed upon to talk to a women. So much so that even the apostilles were shocked when they saw him talking to her. Yet they didn't dare to challenge what he was doing. this was a HUGE cultural no no. Yet Jesus broke that stigma. And then she went on to spread the gospel to a whole nation. Thats how our God can use women. I don't claim to be an expert on this btw. I'm just stating the historical side of the story. And I'm sorry if I missed anything it 2am lol Message for anyone struggling with God's purpose: If you are called to pastor you do it. No matter if your a Woman or a Man. Don't let misinterpretation stop you from following God's purpose. It might not be pastoring. It might be something completely different. Just follow what God has called you to do, and everything will find its way. He does not call you in vain. He calls you with purpose. Never forget that.
Shalom beloved one, I think you did a fantastic job supporting how you view this subject, but I would like to appeal to some things that may need to be adhered to. One of the more important things here is culture. You told us not to appeal to culture, but culture is one of the principles of exegesis. Also, God operates within the confinement of a particular people group. Also you keep mentioning "senior pastor" as we know this phrase is not biblical but cultural. We know that congregations were shepherded by not just one person but by many people i.e. elders. I believe this argument comes down to conviction! If a congratulation believes (from how they view the scripture) that women can join their leadership in guiding the community by the Spirit then beautiful. On the other hand, if another congregation believes differently then so be it. Neither of the two are sining. The most important thing here is what Paul mentioned in Roman's 8:14 "be lead by the Spirit". I love you beloved one keep up the work. Shalom
Yes, There are pastors, elders and deacons mentioned in the Bible but never a "Senior Pastor". No " Senior Elders" or "Junior Elders" or "Junior Pastors" . Why make a distinction. Pastors period. I agree. I went to Seminary and was often asked if I was going to be a pastor, as if there were no other reason to go to Seminary! I agree no women pastors.
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So many people have asked about this so here is what I believe the bible teaches. Please provide a HEALTHY and RESPECTFUL comment below! Love ya and let me know your thoughts!
THE BEAT by Allen Parr Thank you!!! As a woman who has recently announced being called into the ministry of preaching, I have greatly wrestled with this. My upbringing is such that women preachers were not allowed at all. However, I knew that the Holy Spirit had guided me into this calling. It 100% was not a calling that I was thinking of doing on my own. No, I am not to be a pastor, at all. A minister? Yes! Thank you for the sound scripture references. God bless you and yours.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr. l respect and agree.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr I struggled with this because my grandmother Pastored after my grandfather passed... but when my uncle/ her son "came on over to the Lord's side", she passed it to him and has not interfered with how he has and is currently pastoring. However, according to scripture, I do agree wth this entire video.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr Bro had to get armored up with prayer lol that was funny, great video btw
The guidelines were perfect addition also,God bless
THE BEAT by Allen Parr hey man great videos they have really helped me out. Just a question though I’m confused on your definition of logic bc I thought logic wasn’t based on feelings rather it is based on facts and evidence or at least should be when used correctly. Anyways a repose would be great.
I wish that Women would get this! As for me, yes, I would LOVE to be a Pastor! However, it does not matter what I want, only what God wants. Thank you for this Video!
Acts 2:
16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
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“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
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Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
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I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
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The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
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And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
You are so right and that's the kind of a lady I'm looking for but needs to be led by God who joins me together with her Matthew 19:6 God bless you precious
Amen sister. I hope as women we can be brave to be submissive to the word
@@biblicalbee2082 I like what you said at the end about being brave by submitting to the word. The hard thing in the matter is a lot of women have trouble following the word of God and submitting themselves unto their own husbands as unto the Lord. And what that means as unto the Lord, is as long as their husbands are in line with the word of God and leaving her correctly according to the will of God then she can follow up under her husband's leadership which God ordained him to be the man of the home from the beginning of time.
And husbands need to love their wives enough to die for them, just like how Christ loved the church enough to DIE for them, and gave HIMSELF for us. Ephesians 5:23 25
@@jeffreymartin5386 : If men were really loving their wives in the privacy of their own home and respecting their wives in public and in front of their children , then women would fall safely into their husbands arms submissively. I grew up with a dad who did not do this and my mom was still submissive to him .
God has an order and He never changes regardless of societal norms
As a female and I have absolutely no problem submitting to Gods word and what it actually says. I’m very glad you stuck to the Bible and spoke the truth. This video was very helpful thank you.
Thanks so much Rebeca Iacob, I'm so glad you found it helpful! Thanks again for taking the time to watch. God bless Rebeca Iacob,
Jesus had female disvples.
@@celticmist14 Whether he did or did not is not a reason to cite for why women today cannot be leaders/pastors. Christ was a JEW, followed JUDAISM to a TEE going so far to wait until 30 years before he began his ministry. He did not marry but I don't see anyone using that as reason why a man should not marry today for obvious reasons. The problem today is that MANY MANY people like Mr. Parr and others here have taken Paul's instructions to the church in HIS TIME and made them LAW for our time. In the process they have done a great disservice to the body of Christ and have removed the HOLY SPIRIT as the TEACHER for us today whose job is to LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH. Clearly there was STILL MORE TRUTH to be revealed after Christ left and I could assure you, there is still MORE TRUTH to be revealed today. See my comment above for more insight on this topic.
@The bible approves Abortion That's the first thing Hitler did when he got into power.
@The bible approves Abortion Supposedly but killed Christians, Jews, and Blacks. He banned books that disagreed with his position. That’s the point I’m making.
Living in the day and age we are in now and being a child of God myself I find it soo humbling to be beside my husband. I would never want to have authority over my husband . He's the head of our family and I'm his helper. We walk beside each other. Helping each other as God designed us to be. Thank you Allen Parr, you brought that out soo beautifully.
Good for you
In the book of 1 Timothy chapter 2 it says a woman can't preacher
Aww, what a blessing as the Lord has tempered your heart. God’s order is always perfect and although many believe and do otherwise, He is the same today, tmrw and forever.
@@jbfam7208 Amen 🙏🙏🙏
Ohhhh Brother.....
As a Christian woman, I believe you have stayed true to God's word and did an excellent job explaining this topic.
pippy5121984 I am totally agree with him. God bless your heart Allen, I'm getting lots of knowledge from the Bible about this topic.
Not true justice was done to it but it was a good explanation nevertheless.
amen!👍🏽
Thank you so much for your support. The fear of of appearing sexist is one of the biggest issues men have with trying not to befriend the world.
We should be bold with the Word and not confine with the world, nothing should astray what the spirit teaches in the Word even if it's against our beliefs, or in contrast to our fears.
I am 11 years old and this channel has helped me alot , I give thanks to GOD for allowing me to see this channel and thank you MR Allen parr for being a true person and not a prosperity peracher aka false prophet.
May God’s grace strengthen you to overcome
hii yea lol im about as old as u too and im trying to learn more about God and the bible. God bless u
🤣🤣 🇳🇬 aka fake prophet
Amen God bless you💕
Gino jennings is a man of GOD search him out brother
My grandfather was a preacher for around 50 years..my grandmother was like a rock to him supporting him as he preached to the church..without her i dont know how he could have done it..they were a team.. He preached his last message in a chair and died from heart disease 2 days later... She was his support.. What a great woman of faith she was. I long to see them again in glory. My grandma was a great woman and supporting wife.. We need more of that in this life
I love that. Women working alongside men to build God’s kingdom.
Thsts so beautiful, I'm so sorry about grandfather. And your grandmother sounds like a wonderful women.
Proverbs 27:17. Don't think for a second that women can't support a man and help him and teach him. She just can't be the role of a pastor.
@@deborahadeniji808 in the new covenant of Jesus Christ it is back to Genesis 1:26 for the regenerated born-again man only, therefore women don't work alongside men as some in the false religion of CHRISTIANITY would like to have it. In Christ men and women work together in spiritual dominion with Christ the only SUPREME HEAD of the church; they are not over each other as was created by their fall in Eden Genesis 3:12-16 akjv.
Ok and yet women should not preach but be humble.
I just found you today. I've listened to quite a few videos already and I CAN'T BELIEVE I'VE FINELY FOUND SOMEONE WHO I AGREE WITH BIBLICALLY!!!! So refreshing!!! You are thorough and clear. This is soooo needed in this day and age!!!
As long as you stick to scripture who can argue with God's word ?
You definitely did your homework.
Blessings brother
Jerry Hernandez 1 Corinthians 14 chapter 34-40 read carefully the Bible is the true word of god
@@sidepot you good bro?
Ken King why are you here? If you disagree?
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What a dumb fucking question. Do you only want people in here who agree with you? Do you want no challenges to what you believe? Christianity and other religions have perpetuated misogyny and unequal treatment of women. I don’t buy into your bullshit and I speak out against it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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I’ve been good for many years bro. I left all this bullshit behinds a couple of decades ago. Never been happier.
I agree 100%. I have no problem with this. This is how God ordained it, and I am grateful for it.
Amen!
Me too...very grateful!!!
Natalia Miranda I totally agree
Natalia Miranda And women also suffer under the male as his slave. Just saying.
saint of jesus Christ I disagree. Some people think they have to say that. There’s a difference. Bcuz people say that men have to be the head all day long but what we actually see happening in life is the opposite. Women are the head and doing everything. While men are doing nothing but chasing their egos, trying to look like strong capable men. So if the man is the head, is only bcuz a woman is casting that illusion, and even then, he is still not the head, bcuz his wife or gf is doing it all. His mother or daughter is doing it all. Women somewhere are doing it all and he is really doing nothing.
I have learned that most of the time even when I think I’m not going to like God’s ways, I end up finding joy in the way he created things to be. I can rest in the fact that his ways are perfect, even if they may not seem to be to us at first.
Wow... True revelation of the Gospel...
Wisdom! You spoke that! FACTS!
Amen
someone make this a quote 😭
Well said. Healthy point of view.
A visiting evangelist to my area told us how people kept asking him, "Are you a pastor? A teacher? An evangelist? What are you? He responded, "I don't know. I just do the work."
Serving one another in love is our greatest calling to one another, and humility and prayer is vital to knowing our calling.
This was the most simple way of explaining it with BIBLE only , not emotions. GREAT JOB BROTHER
Great job indeed!
Emotions will deceive you completely all the time!!!
The majority of churches in seattle are run by women pastors which are all liberal churches which are also pro homosexual and pro transgender believes and pro abortion which all of these subjects are sins!
@@juandoe9694 I never been to Seattle. Wow that's not good , we can't attach ourselves to God and allow those sins to be overlooked.
@@godschild9738 all sins should be taken seriously!!
Very well said! As someone who was raised to be a strong independent woman, I agree 100%!!! Woman are just as important as men are in the Church. We are just different and have different roles. I wish society as a whole would embrace our differences and celebrate them.
Your OPINION sounds good. But that's not biblical. Same sex marriage between two people in love SOUNDS good. But that's not biblical.
@CuriouStan 1st Corinthians chapter 14 verse 34. Read it in your Bible and then get back to me. If you go by the Bible you'll see. If you go by opinions then you are on your own
@@dougsmith9352 What are you even talking about? Are you trying to say that women and men aren’t equal in worth? Tell me how the verse you’ve referred to runs opposite to that idea.
@@dougsmith9352 1 cor 14:34 is speaking about tongues and prophesying in tongues, that what the while chapter is referring to in regards to edifying the church understanding of unknown tongues but you do have a point about the specific verse its really not of context to what Paul is speaking about in the chapter if it not referring to tongues alone, what do you make it out to be?
Their roles are different in the home where the male is the natural head, not in the assembly OF GOD where Christ is the SPIRITUAL HEAD OF ALL.
I was led to Jesus Christ by a woman pastor. I'm so glad she answered the call to be a pastor. I was suicidal at that time I met her, 20 years ago, and now I have a husband and a family of my own. She started pastoring at 15 and now is 80. She has led many to Christ. I believe it's the Holy Spirit in her that brings the harvest. God bless!!
That's amazing she led you to Christ and many others. That is a mandate by God regardless of gender. However the "office" of pastor is for men and men only. She would be to also teach you and others that she cannot hold the office of Pastor, but she can exercise her gifts of the spirit. Titus 1:5-9 and really close attention verse 16. Go back to the fall Genesis 3 and understand why God created order. This is not a man versus woman or men or better than women, this is a God in His holiness giving us roles and responsibilities in HIS kingdom. I hope your husband is saved and both of you are in the Word of God. I will be praying for you in your walk. (Please note this is said in a conversation tone, not argumentative.)
Also, 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is helpful and gives clarity.
There is no woman Pastor no matter what anyone says. The word of God speaks clearly! Whatever woman is on a pulpit preaching is in great sin with God!
@@fitzbjones Well said. Yep, Women bringing people to God is evangelical work that anybody can do but the office of pastor is for men as stated.
I know of a lady who goes to Pakistan to preach. I think she is about 80 yrs old. I have no doubt the Spirit of the Lord is upon her. As a matter of fact. I just watched her on TV today....Dec 27th. ...and she ROCKS. God bless her and her daughter.✝️
God is not gender prejudice, neither is the BORN-AGAIN REGENERATED MAN; the fallen UNREGENERATED UNREPENTANT man is; Many people here are either not born again or don't read the bible AKJV. THEY LISTEN MEN AND READ THEIR WRITINGS. GOD HAS HIS OWN WRITINGS AND PLAN.
I respect what God wants from me. I am a nurse and I use that as my ministry. I would love to be a pastor, but I know my God given place and I cherish it. Keeps me and my family safe.
WOW. YES YES YES. God bless you my dear, and I pray that He keeps you and the family safe
Please PRAY about it, if God has given you the gifts of ministry you may be being called by the Holy Spirit to be a pastor. PRAY boldy and use discernment there are plenty of cases in which women have churches as Jesus has disciples. We take the gospels as word of God however the context of the time is that women were not educated equally and therefore the women did not write as men did. However women had churches, were deacons. and scripture even points to how women and men have to have a different role in church because of roman law: 1 Cor 34: 'Women[a] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.' notice how it is not his Law(mosaic or God'd Law which is capitalized and the government or roman law is not.) I also want to mention some senior pastors who had their own church, Aquila and Prisca.
My sister, if God has called you to Pastor you are a pastor whether you want to or not. If you don’t do it you’re being disobedient. Now with that being said, what would that look like for you? It means God has placed people in your life that he wants you to minister to. It doesn’t have to consist of a formal platform. When you open your mouth, that spot where you stand becomes the pulpit. It may be for a season and a reason God chose you to pastor/mentor those few. That’s what pastoring is. God bless
@@willcarruth3951 I respect that
"I know my God given place" made me shiver. So much humility. Love u
I agree! Women shouldn’t pastor over men. I am a woman too. 😊
Season1 better2 Witnessing isn’t the same as holding a position of authority. That alone tells me you need biblical knowledge.
Season1 better2 Next time you express yourself make sure you at least have a vague idea of what Biblical doctrine is. The Bible speaks of roles, you seem to ignore that and give a verse that has nothing to do with the subject. Unless your 9 years old; I’d understand. 🤷🏻♂️
Season1 better2 Ignore te word “role”, but you have to discard the term “trinity”. They’re marked concepts. If the Bible says women shouldn’t be an authority over men in church all you have to do is obey. It seems it’s you who wants to twist scripture. 1 Timothy 3 gives the requisites for elders, it refers to men. If you say it applies to women you’re adding words that aren’t there. Then you are what you accuse me of. Stick to your own claims, will you?! 🤷🏻♂️
@Season1 better2 :"If thete are no men to pastor or men willing to pastor" Usually spoken by people in churches with no especial dearth of men.
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you sinful man.
Your respectfulness and gentle nature regarding this issue is incredibly Jesusly. You’re so respectful that I made up a word for it lol.
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@Dragon Forge Is "Jesusly" copyrighted or can I use it?
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Hah? Anong Jesusly ?
Thank you for addressing this topic!! I am a woman, and I am a Church of Christ Christian yesterday a friend of mine and myself we had this discussion she became upset with me I shared with her that I do not find, nor have I read anywhere in the Bible where a woman pastured the church. God has set a standard of order and an example with Adam and Eve the man Adam came/was first with or before Eve arrived that is the order and standard that we are under. not to say that a woman cannot teach she is to teach biblically to save the soul and bring to salvation that soul. like Priscilla and Aquilla but not to Shepard Gods people. if we even look at the examples of Shepards in the bible they are men that Shepard a flock or herd of people the congregation. that's the example that we have it not a position where the example or roles changes if it where God would have had it written in the Bible to tell us or show us. he has vision and fore sight. and his vision did not and has not changed we like to make things comfortable for us. even though a woman may have the gift of spreading the word she is not the Pastor of the flock of God. if she is and or was God would have told us so or had given us examples. men where sent out to lead and grow the church in the new testament
The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's people during this
time period. Full essay read time: 12 minutes free postable here
(In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word
shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has
obvious meaning to the average person.)
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that
was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament
shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way.
“My people have become lost sheep;
Their shepherds have led them astray.
-excerpt Jeremiah 50
For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may
check out Ezekiel 34.
When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
Deborah, full essay read time: 12 minutes, free, postable
When someone says “I feel”… That is not applying logic, that is Emotion. Logical thinking is helpful when Reading the Bible to discern what God is telling us.
Heather Swenor true
The masses go with one scripture that they think answers this question. Ignoring much scripture on woman and their leadership
YEP
@Soupmaster101 Heather is quite right. Logic is "Reasoning assessed according to strict principles of validity" (Oxford Dictionary) It is not about feelings. YHVH expects us to use our minds (Genesis 2:19, Isaiah 1:18)
Agreed, idk why he said that.
As a woman, I can't even begin to understand why a woman would want to shepherd a church ...
The same reason a man would. God calls everyone to serve him, if we don't do it, who will? Christianity is all about your relationship and connection with God, it's not based by gender at all. Which ever way you choose to serve God, he supports you. No where does it say women can't preach, or men have to preach. It's based on the male led society in thoes days, that's why we assume men have to lead the church.this is really based on the fact that can women preach to men? Because in the video, the man gave an example she can preach over the children's church, or a live session, etc. But not in a senior pastor church or congragation. So what is it? Can women preach , but not to men, or is it that women can't preach at all? until God himself a says women can't preach, that's when I'll change my mind. God gives both men and women gifts to serve him in any way and if thoes gifts happen to be to preach, so be it.
Cause when god calls you god calls you
@@Galatians360 but God has called female pastors. It's not about gender, it's about what you are preaching. It's still the same word from God . A woman doesn't translate something wrong to it. Whoever can carry the church so be it. Joyce Myer is an amazing female pastors, I actually understood more from her. If God calls you he calls you
@@Galatians360 Albert of course I know God doesn't value women any less, but the fact that Adam was created first, and women second, doesn't have anything to do with how the church is ordered. Women aren't " acting like men" when they preach they are just doing what anyone would do. God has order and gives specific orders in the Bible, however he never mentioned that women should not preach. There is a place in the Bible where it says women should be silent, but that was from that scriptures writers understanding ( I think Peter). Ok if women should be silent, then how come women can preach in children's churches, that's contradictions your own words!!!!! Btw just because Satan approaches even first and was persuaded and tricked, is PURE HUMAN NATURE. if someone told you to not eat something, but didn't tell u why, or anything about it, its PURE HUMAN NATURE TO BE CURIOUS. Heck even also persuaded Adam to eat it too so what do u say about that. I appreciate your side of the argument, but u gave no viable eveidence to counter what I said.
@@Galatians360 I respect your opinion, but in order to be a pastor, you must preach as we all know. Of course women can preach, but they can also pastor. I am not anywhere trying to put words in your mouth, but the Bible is very clear about how things are supposed to run. And God doesn't joke about the church, therefore he wouldve been extremely specific on who he wanted to lead and preach the church. But he wasn't, because it doesn't matter what gender does, it's about the word you are learning, not who's mouth it comes from. All female pastors were called from God to lead Thier church. Trust me if God didn't want women to preach eh would've said so, and would've told thoes female pastors otherwise 😊
And Priscilla was a woman who opened up her house to Paul to teach and preach the word. She had a hospitality gift.
She Priscilla she correct him in what the Holy Spirit was given
she was Paul's boss, was oftem mentioned before the husband and corrected apollos as well. Great leader... Phoebe deacon, Junia Apostle, Priscilla co-worker in Christ
@@19Ivano75 3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: Romans 16:3.
No where does it say she was Paul’s boss a pastor or a teacher of the Word. She was a helper. Stop adding to the word of Gods will remove you from the book of life.
No woman in the bible was a preacher no woman suppose to be apostle
@@sophiacherrington6765 Wrong dear sister, Junia was Apostle, Miriam was Leader, Debora was Judges, Magdalene was the first Preacher, Philip's doughters were prophets, of corse they were not allowed to speak in public nor to learn to read the Scriptures, but does make things better? If so let us come back to slavery, which is what too many people in power would like.
I appreciate your Biblical perspective. God's ways are best.
Finally someone who stands up for God's word, God bless you// Daniel from Sweden
Suedi mannen
He’s wrong tho
@@dgbdreamgrindbelievesports4351 🙄🙄
@@antonfredriksson9133
Are you an intelligent numbskull?
As a woman living near San Francisco where all the roles, genders and values are blurred and consumed by chaos; thank you for providing Gods word in a clear and inviting way.
~blessings
Oh my word. You're in the heart of something I only read about. God bless you
@@marfialennox2642 I also live in the area. Idk why people make it seem like it's "that bad" here. God is omnipresent. He's just as much near and IN San Francisco as He is anywhere else.
I'm not discounting the other comment, but we need to speak truth about this. God is very much here, too. Amen.
Amen sister
I love this pastor. He sticks to the scriptures which is great. As a woman I follow what the holy scriptures teach on women leadership in church.
I am really grateful as ordained in office I still need to know more am in worship, and as worshiper I think it is very important to study everything concerning leading a worship team what i must do because i was looking over internet for someone to explain this but thank God that i can come across a teacher am willing to learn more not to old to take more in especially the word of God and teachings. so was very well explained thank you🙏
Actually, the position of senior pastor is not even scriptural. The bible states clearly that there are to be more than one elder leading the flock.
ELDERS SHOULD SHEPHERD GOD’S FLOCK.
(Acts 20:28; 1 Pet. 5:2.) The word “shepherd” is the same as “pastor.” The work of pastoring is shared by the elders. It is impossible for one man to adequately pastor a church this large. The ministry of pastoring involves doing what a shepherd does for his sheep: He knows them (John 10:14); he leads them (John 10:3-4); he feeds them and guides them into the rich pastures of God’s Word (John 10:9; 1 Thess. 5:12; Titus 1:9; Heb. 13:7); he guards them from wolves (John 10:12; Acts 20:29-30); he seeks the lost and straying sheep and helps heal their wounds by getting them restored to the Lord (John 10:16; Ezek. 34:4-5); he corrects the erring or rebellious (2 Tim. 4:2); he equips the flock for maturity so that they can serve the Lord as He has gifted them (Eph. 4:11-16).
I noticed in the video he kept using the term senior pastor. So I don't think he is exclusively referring to one person but a team. But either way it's clear from the scriptures he presented the roles of men and women on this topic.
Paul says in his epistles that women are to remain humble and silent. It's to maintain order. If women want to lead than they are subject to ALL THE REQUIREMENTS men have had to do to attain their positions mentally and physically, without complaint, assistance from a man or special womens rights.
Yes!
Super accurate comment. True and soud. However, it misses the main concept of the video ya know... So why throw it out there? Elder or senior pastor, Scripture simply makes this a male role. Just try and stick to the discussion and don't get tangential.
@@pastorsouther "It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling." Proverbs 20:3
Meddle
MED'DLE, verb intransitive
1. To have to do; to take part; to interpose and act in the concerns of others, or in affairs in which one's interposition is not necessary; often with the sense of intrusion or officiousness.
I have thus far been an upright judge, not meddling with the design nor disposition.
What hast thou to do to meddle with the affairs of my family?
Why should'st thou meddle to thy hurt? 2 Kings 14:10.
2. To have to do; to touch; to handle. meddle not with edge-tools, is an admonition to children. When the object is specified, meddle is properly followed by with or in; usually by the former.
The civil lawyers--have meddled in a matter that belongs not to them.
MED'DLE, verb transitive To mix, to mingle.
He meddled his talk with many a tear.
Webster's 1828, Meddle:
webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/meddle
I am a little confused with people saying 'they want to be a Pastor' respectfully I thought it was a calling🤷🏾♀️❤
From what I know (and in no way am I trying to say that I know a lot), some people look at their pastor/s, feel convicted, and think "I want to be a pastor!" Sometimes that's not God's plan for them (as in my case), and sometimes it is (like in the case of one of my uncles).
(Btw sorry for any grammatical errors.)
It's a calling but you can choose to too,but make sure you do it to satisfy God if not he will judge you same way he Judge the ones he called.
I thought so too.
for me God is looking for people who will serve Him, if someone will volunteer himself to serve Him, di you think God will says no? as Jesus said pray to the father to send more workers to harvest the fields? #justforme
sometimes a caling is someting you would love to do, sometimes...
I dont think so . Seems pretty clear in the bible to me . But I do believe women ministries are so wonderful . Very much needed ! To teach young women how to be a women , helping each other raise children , be good wife's etc. And just a women's bible study and stuff .
But no women don't need to lead
Great video !
That is awesome! Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and for sharing your perspective Ondrea Torrence!
THE BEAT by Allen Parr keep doing these videos ! I always love watching and learning ! God bless you and your wife :)
I believe you are spot on. I think women can work for the Lord but the roles of leadership belong to God called men.
Linda Saffles yes ! And there's nothing wrong with that . It does. Jot make us less than men . We have different yet very important roles . I wish people could understand that so they could be better at serving the Lord and his people properly . Instead of trying to everything men can do .
The world as well needs stop claiming it doesn't need men and realize that we need each other ! Without both roles , you can have one really messed up child
Ondrea Torrence Interview 11 : Woman's ministry in the Church - English version / Prophet Kacou Philippe.
ruclips.net/video/9jRkzZ5-uWA/видео.html
One issue I have is, when a man needs counsel, how can he go to a woman pastor? I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that. A man would be better off talking to his wife, rather than to another woman, especially one who has not been called or qualified to be a pastor which no women is. There is a woman "pastor" at our church and I cringe every time she gets up before the congregation. Beside the fact that I Timothy 2 says it is not allowed for women to preach, I Corinthians 14:35 says it is disgraceful or shameful. Enough said.
It isn't that simple. I post on such matters.
I have a postable short essay on Deborah (the Judge).
I believe the gender matter was settled with her. God
wanted to do that early on. Even before the people sinned
and asked for a king, that is a man, to rule over them. So
even before God was 'rejected', as the scriptures say:
...but they have rejected Me from being King over them.
-excerpt 1 Samuel 8
Also a much shorter post called 'Complementarianism'
can be pasted up if requested by anyone. It is certainly a
false teaching.
Brother Allen I think you are sound in your teaching. But I have encountered a lot of women who want to bring feminism into the Church. If you mention this topic you are called a misoginist and it usually quickly goes downhill from there. Thank you for being courageous enough to tackle this subject as not many will.
Yep, that has been my perspective as well. People appeal more to their emotions than anything else and that is what I wanted to guard against. So far the comments have all been respectful. Thanks Wayne,
Here is some great advice on how to increase male engagement at your church: edifythebody.org/curriculums/
Feminism means equal rights... it disturbs many church people, sadly!
@@19Ivano75 what rights do men have that women dont?
There is a strong spirit of rebellion that has come into the church in this way. God's order is crystal clear and not argued by at all by serious scholars. The problems come from people simply not accepting what the word of God says.
I love the way that you always stick to the truth of God's word, and don't 'modernise' to suit today's norms.
Though I respectfully disagree with some of your finer points I greatly admire your zeal for The Word. Never lose that appetite for the wisdom and knowledge of The Most High. Be blessed, brother! 👍🏾 (Matt. 5:6)
Can you please back up your point of view by scripture if different? Thanks!
Here is some great advice on how to increase male engagement at your church: edifythebody.org/curriculums/
What did you disagree with?
This is spot on with what the bible says! Well done, brother Allen, for sticking to biblical truth! For me personally, I would never want to be in the role of pastor. There is SO much responsibility as well as emotional and spiritual strength needed for that job. People, pray for your pastor!!
I believe the bible shows that men should lead God's people in the church
Who leads when there is no man?
And women help and support them! God created us for different roles, but we are equal in his eyes!
Are you guys forgetting god didnt write the bible man did?
BebeCakezz Life No, we aren’t. The people wrote the Bible with inspiration by the Holy Spirit.
is the somewhere in scripture that states a woman cannot lead?
Allen, you did a wonderful job in handling this sensitive issue according to the contextual truth of scripture. It’s wonderful to hear sound doctrine when it’s rarely preached these days. May God continue to bless you’re ministry and you’re family.
Man, man, man, this is quality content right here. Thank you. Very thoughtful and careful, full of respectfulness, honour and truth. 🙌🏻
I agree I love how you broke this down! Amazing truly amazing because this was something i needed answered.
I am in 100% agreement with your point of view.
Thank you for being on YT!
I am so blessed and inspired by your teaching!
I always go by what Scriptures says. I don't take no one words for anything. And let the Holy Spirit guide me. Praise the Lord (Wellkept Ministries)
Here is some great advice on how to increase male engagement at your church: edifythebody.org/curriculums/
Isaiah 3:12
1 Peter 3:4
Ecclesiastes 7:28
Isaiah 9: 16-17
1 Corinthians 14: 32-45
1 Timothy 2:12
Titus 2:3
Revelations 2:20
It's right there in the word... let the church say NO!!
No women should not be pastors...but they should teach!! And spread the gospel...
Yes amen 🙏
Yes they can spread the word. They can be angels to some people :)
Yes women or anyone can be a pastor
@@psalmswisdom8165 no, a woman cannot be a pastor, or teach even. Unless it's her own children she's teaching. And younger siblings. We can go soulwinning. We must look to God for His final authority. Praise Jesus. My Lord and my God.
@@readyourbible4315 well I do. Thankx for the reminder
Remember when Jesus said deny yourself , that means the things you thought to be true, right, wrong , your feelings. I don’t think we are willing to be taught
"I FEEL" is not an appeal to logic. Precisely "feelings" are appeals to emotion, or pathos. Not logic.
"I feel" is confirmed by the Holy Spirit if it is the truth. Too many look at the man, and judge him wrong, yet he's right. Does anyone ask God anymore, or do they think their study will yield the truth? You should, for God knows.
I thought I was the only one LOL
Where does God specifically say a woman should not be a pastor. If you're sure of what you're saying why give conditions. Paul may have applied circumspection to make his recommendations.
My question is, if it’s widely known and widely recognized that it’s not uncommon for a woman to possess a stronger pastoral ability as you mentioned, why do we get back into the legalistic version of Christianity after Jesus is comes, dies, and is resurrected? All spiritual gifts are given by God and God alone so the point I struggle with is hearing God gives His gifts out, we recognize some women would be the best fit for a pastoral position, yet because she’s not a man we politely decline her from being a pastor. If we are all called to be ambassadors for Christ and we see clear evidence a woman has this unique gift that not everyone possess, why try and silence that gift and/or minimize the reach of said gift by putting her in a Sunday school classroom instead? Why do we symbolize a pulpit as a position of authority but standing in front of a class of the same exact people a lesser authority? Makes no sense to me. If a woman can go out and preach the gospel and convert non believers why is that fantastic but the moment she passes through the doorway of a specific building she needs to keep that message within the confines of person to person instead of person to group? It’s just strange to me we allow them to do exactly what a pastor does in every sense of the meaning except give them the title….
The Judges were pastors. Deborah was a Judge over Israel.
I suggest my short and free essay on her. It always goes back
to her in my opinion.
____________________________________________________
Complementarianism
That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than
Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are.
The complementarian teaching prohibits a Christian woman from holding
certain positions in a church. They can't be elders neither can
they teach men. So why is that?
The false teaching makes it clear that the priesthood of the New Covenant
is tiered. There is a hierarchy. Those that are higher, the men, can be in
leadership positions, like elder. They can teach other men. Those in the
lower tier can not be in leadership positions, like elder. They are prohibited
from teaching men, because the men are in the higher tier. It wouldn't make
any sense.
A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower,
at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines
their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier.
A Christian that is in the lower tier (woman) is not allowed to
complain of the tier she was placed in. That would be sin, because
God made her a woman by His choice. She should accept and also
embrace her position in the lower tier.
A church, is either a group of Christian men or a group of Christian men and women.
A church can never be a group of Christian women, because it would be
a group of only those in the lower tier. It would have no elders.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
-excerpt 1 Peter 2
Since the teaching states that women are spiritually inferior to men, but
they aren't, but they are, when did that start?
But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer.
-excerpt 1 Timothy 2
It started with the first woman. She was deceived, and sinned because of it. So we
have a teaching that accepts that men and women are fallen beings. Both genders
are sinful by nature. However women are different. They are lacking the ability
that men have to judge if some situation, some concept or teaching is sinful. This
inability was passed down from Eve to all women. It remains to this day. A woman
in our time was 'lacking' from birth, even from the womb.
So what can be done? Nothing according to Complementarianism. That is because
an anointing of that powerful masculine being called the Holy Spirit, is just not
sufficient. Even the Holy Spirit can not elevate even one Christian woman to the
spiritually superior level of a Christian man.
I am a Christian and have been in leadership prior to coming to our current church and I agree with what you are saying. We are in a church now that we love and recently changed hands to a female Pastor who has been in the church for a while. She is a wise woman, well educated, very humble and loving and we love her and her family. She has also been through the ringer and treated poorly by men in the church but handled it biblically though it hurt her. But my husband and I have said just about everything you have said and even the same scripture was brought up in Galatians to justify a female pastor and the OT women as well. We said the same thing as you did, but to no avail. It's hard because we do love this woman and she definitely has a gift of bringing the word to people but we have to stay with the Word. My point I gave is that if the church teaches the biblical order of God, and we are to follow that order AND follow the church as our example, then how can a woman be the head of the church yet she cannot be the head of her home. That is confusing. She cant say "I feel called to be the head of my home" and go for it. You cant do the same in church. The enemy's goal is to do opposite of God and that means reversing the order especially in the church. We see it in our society and it's in the church.
But do you still go to that church with the female pastor?
Regardless if she should be preaching her or not it’s ridiculous that Christian men are treating her poorly. I’m not surprised though because men often treat women terrible when they are in authoritative positions
Thank you for your comment, Sister Michelle. I appreciate how you made the correlation between leading the home and leading the church. Thanks, again. Sending love from California 🌴☀️
@@jwill1027 Ah yes, the Pharisee is out to judge
@@JDrocks4ever not sure what you’re implying?? I just want to know if she stepped away from the church after pointing out what she did.
You broke this down beautifully
Found your channel today and mannnn this is a serious blessing! I’m seeing all the titles and idk which to go through first lol - May God continue to lead you in true wisdom that only He can give - blessings from Trinidad 🇹🇹
Lord God Jesus Christ bless Trinidad Abundantly!
Isn’t it selfishness if you choose your goal instead of gods? It is selfish that you choose your order over the role god chose you to be.
The bible is very clear on this topic. If you are saved, you should have the spirit of faith according to whats written. What is written is so. We can't get caught up in what we think, what sounds good, who we think God should use or how well she speaks. The bible is the final authority. There is absolutely no where in the bible where in the bible where a women was a pastor, bishop, elder apostle or evangelist. Some women can preach much better than a man but we shouldn't go against God because she draws the crowd and the money. If we are not willing to stick to whats written, what's the sense in carrying a book that you dont believe in? God says NO! That is the order of the church. Again, if it is written, its so. AMEN...
Craig Warring:
How can someone be saved without the second coming of Christ?? Stop spewing evil white plantation Christianity!
Amen! Brother
We Preach The Word of God For The That Are Lost
According to THE BIBLE (not us) what's the only nation/race of people on earth that's lost?
@@jacobite9131 You are either jew or gentile. You sound like your in that racist group Hebrew Israelites and no man makes to heaven hating someone because of their born race. The lost are the ones who the devil doesn't allow to get in the Word for knowledge and then God sends me to bring the light to the lost...
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world (satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
We Preach The Word of God For Them That Are Lost:
The question remains: according to the Bible (not you or me) what's the only nation/race of people on earth that's lost?
By the way, your or YOUR or "YOUR" cannot be in anything, irrespective to how you look at it!
I'm going to warm you up with the very first book in the New Testament: Matthew ch, 15v24, Romans ch, 9v7 and in the Old Testament: Genesis 17v19 1st Peter ch, 2v9!
The number 2 comes before 4, did you read 2nd Corinthians verse 1 to ascertain that the saints were being addressed or targeted and who are the saints according to the Bible and who is the OUR in verse 3 and whose minds were blinded in verse 4?? Look here plantation Tobacco/cotton fields Christian: Psalms ch, 148v14!
😂😂 I can Finish my PhD in theology If I see all your videos 🤣 . God bless you brother .
If you are actually working on a PhD I suggest you read this academic journal:
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/article/priscilla-papers-academic-journal/bible-teaches-equal-standing-man-and-woman
It explicitly explains how the bible actually does promote woman leaders. Most of our errors in understanding come from not understanding the original Greek or Hebrew
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In Rom 16:1-16, Paul greets by name ten people he identifies as colleagues in Christian ministry. Seven of the ten are women: Phoebe, “deacon of the church of Cenchrea” (16:1) and “leader16 of many, including myself” (16:2); Junia, “outstanding among the apostles” (16:717); Prisca, “my fellow worker in Christ Jesus” (16:3; cf. Phil 4:3); and Mary, Tryphaena, Tryphosa, and Persis “worked hard in the Lord” (16:6, 12). First Corinthians 16:16 urges believers “to be subject to every fellow laborer.” First Thessalonians 5:12 identifies “those who labor among you” as “those who are over you in the Lord.” It cannot be stressed enough that Paul is not simply listing these women as believers, but as ministry leaders. Paul greets many believers in this passage, but describes as ministry leaders only ten people, and seven of those are women. The three men are Aquila, Andronicus, and Urbanus. The first two are listed with their wives, highlighting their shared authority. Paul’s naming such a high proportion of women leaders in an open society is unparalleled in the entire history of ancient Greek literature and suggests a level of female leadership in the early church exceptional for its culture.
Right ! Great content for sure, digging the slayer icon btw :)
One day God will comfort his daughters who had to live under the constant oppression and ignorance of mens beliefs. For this I'm thankful.
Amen.
@I'm here that verse in Timothy is commonly taken out of context.
I literally LOVE YOU FOR SAYING THIS 💕 lol you rock. We are all in this together. Being a Christian woman isn’t easy I’ll tell ya that 😬
I Love the Lord and He sent me to preach right from a tender age...He taught me the Scriptures and also how to teach..
At times I ask the Lord about this part for women preachers and I had made a decision to keep quiet...then I remembered I would be disobeying God and his assignments for my life
I don't force men to listen to me...NO
I teach as the Lord leads me...and anyone can Listen
I have become resolute in myself that let GOD judge me for turning others to Christ through his Spirit.
We are gladly expecting Christ return....I acknowledge the scriptures on this matter....but I can't but obey my saviour...and in the word's of Paul.
WOE IS ME IF I DON'T PREACH THE GOSPEL
Amen !
Thank you for this video...I have been trying to figure some of these things out thru scriptures and seeking the Lord. This has definitely helped me by giving me more wisdom, knowledge and understanding and confirmation 😊
Hi Allen, I’ve been watching your videos for a while and they are so helpful to me. You have an amazing gift from the Lord. Thank you for making these videos. God bless you!
Thanks for bringing up these topics. You bring them up in a thoughtful way.
Thank you for elevating a sound, biblical explanation above a growing cultural ideology.
Thank you brother Allen! I agree that women are allowed to serve in the church being in submission to God and the church leadership. However I wish to add this. When I worked in Singapore , I attended a church which had a female senior pastor, she was an American who lived in Singapore for decades and helped establish this megachurch. She was just excellent, so powerful in her messages, and a wonderful godly leader. She was an excellent example for all women, especially us younger females in the way she dressed with such modesty, in her passion for God and His people and her humility, she had a warm,caring personality. She trained the younger Singaporean pastors, and many years ago she left the church and a male senior pastor was appointed. When I lived in Beijing, I worked for a huge international church which had an American senior elder, a male - who was so difficult to work with, he gave the impression that he disapproved of non American women, I did not feel shepherded by this man, he treated me with disapproval and anger, everyone used to complain about him even his sermons lacked depth. So I think it may in some cases depend on the character and personality of female leaders in the church, their heart , passion for God and commitment to honor God and His Word- women like Paula White have absolutely no business in church leadership. But as a woman, I submit to Gods Word and choose to honor His Word. Personally, I have never had any desire to be a pastor of a church, I love building relationships with people and encouraging them, praying with them, one on one.
God bless man,thank you for you're teaching,greetings from Philippines
I would like to start by saying I appreciate your willingness to discuss difficult things. Open dialogue always brings clarity in my opinion. That being said, I would encourage you to research the original language used in some of the scripture you referenced. For example, you referenced the use of the pronoun “he” when describing the qualifications for overseers and deacons. If you look at the original Greek text, there are no pronouns used. The pronouns are simply added in to allow the verses to make more sense in the English language. I’m not suggesting translators shouldn’t use pronouns when translating, simply that those added pronouns are not a sound argument to support men only as head pastors. Also, maybe take some time to look into where the role “pastor” comes from in the New Testament, In my research I have found there are no specific examples of a head pastor in the 1st century Church. The closest roles found would be an apostle, disciple, or maybe some one that is prophesying. Women are specifically stated to fill all of these roles. (Junia, pricilla, Phillips daughters, lydia, Tabitha etc.) You could potentially argue that the role of Elders or Deacons would Translate to a head pastor, but I would be willing to bet the your Church has a separate role for elders, deacons, and pastors. (Not the mention the fact that phoebe is specially referred to as a deacon in scripture) When it comes to this topic, there is not one clear answer. It seems almost like scripture is contradicting itself, I believe it seems this way because of our limited context. In these instances I have found it helpful to read the unclear in light of the clear. There are some truths that are repeated and highlighted to many times in scripture that you can’t ignore them, I believe we should read unclear scripture in light of what’s clear. Jesus loved each of us so much have his life to be with us, when he went back to heaven he gave us the gift of his Holy Spirit. In Christ, there are no Jew nor gentile, no slave nor free, no male nor female. When you look at scripture through the undeniable lense of the gospel, things that seem to contradict each other start to make sense.
Best response I've heard. It was spoken with compassion and truth.
dude was really like "please dont use logic"
He is in higher level than Ben Shapiro. Truth doesnt care about your logic.
Isaiah 55:8-9
New International Version
8 “For my thoughts(A) are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”(B)
declares the Lord.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,(C)
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.(D)
loved how u explained that different roles dont make someone less-valued
I admire you. You stand for your faith even if it's unpopular. I love it and it helps me to clear up things I thought were right and you confirmed. God speaks through His Word, I pray and He brings to memory Bible verses or thoughts that I didn't know I knew and then He never fails to confirm. No, He does NOT speak to me audibly but through the Spirit. It takes growth to understand SpiritSpeak but once you do, it is so amazing. God bless you.
Thank you so much Brenda. It is not easy to stand up for what we believe but at the end of the day, we cannot argue with the clear teaching of the word of God. Jesus said that we would be unpopular and outnumbered, but we must stand firm.
brother can you show me where women was preaching?
I think you have a balanced, and biblical, and reasonable understanding of the topic.
Great stuff bro. Biblically based is always great.
Allen, I enjoy your channel and you do a wonderful job at approaching different issues in the church. Thank you! This is a contentious subject that quite a few denominations struggle with and have capitulated to in this area. I’ve gone through Bible college at ACU and even at the university level there are those that believe it is ok for a woman to pastor. I know that you mentioned that it is your personal opinion and I’ve approached this from my personal opinion and the biblical text, in its context! Such as you do Allen. I’ve come to find that those that believe a woman can pastor say the same, it is “our”opinion that a woman can pastor and that your missing some of the history as to what the Apostle Paul was really saying about a woman’s role in the church. Unfortunately what has happened is feminism and progressive (ism) has taken a foot hold in quite a few denominations. The Apostle Paul takes it all the way back to the garden of Eden, Adam being formed first and then Eve being created from his rib and so on... It is very difficult to reach those that believe a woman can pastor even men that ordain or allow women to pastor, you cannot reason with them even with the Bible and it’s immediate context and the cannon of scripture as a whole. Anyhow great job Allen! Have a blessed day!
You agreed with a S-xist B-tch.
I think thats 'The Fire Place' for ya.
I can use that same garden of eden story. Man was created first. He was given the word first. He was suppose to protect first. Eve was created second. The serpent came to the younger one spiritually. Adam stood by and allowed his wife to be decieved, then when busted by God, he blamed both God and the woman. Thus the reason women were encouraged to learn the word of God deeply, and why when no man is willing to do God's work properly, God will use a Woman. Oh and God did not use a man to create His Son. Now once you all move past the SOT (sex organ theology), then some of the stupidity and apostasy many Male leaders have allowed to creep up in the garden, can start to be destroyed with the help of wise and learned women.
Please pray for me I've been sinng , and being faithful.
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Vanessa A thanks
God bless you for your prayer. Thank you for covering go fam. God bless,
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Will pray for you
Agreed. Period. We serve a God of order!!!
women are made to be "helpers" that is not a degrading role.. It is a honor to be a Godly wife and worthy of praise!! God is a God of order and structure. God, man, woman, children. A woman needs to feel loved, a man needs to feel respected. simple. However, this does give women the 'green light" to have authority over a man! No where in new testament does it talk about women pastors!! iof you are a woman and you feel offended by this. Take it up with God! He is LORD!
I wouldn’t necessarily say helpers because men can also be helpers
see... rebellion already!! How many women did you see charging the beaches of Normandy (France) during world war 2??? Zero. STOP trying to be something your not!
@@richardbarton6146 Sounds like it's a control issue with you Richard, rather than a ''Role" issuel?l? Either way, a little love and respect goes a very long way when speaking to someone! No need to talk down to someone that simply made a valid point!!! I personally believe that men ARE suppose to lead according to Gods order ;however, some men are just not qualified! If you cant lead with love and respect then you have no place leading!!! There isn't room for ego or attitude in God's kingdom. Just LOVE💕
@@tw9664 I knew I would get a negative reaction from a woman! and shazam!! there you are, I Just told you what the Word of God teaches!! It sounds like your the one with a "control issue"!! feminism is NOT from God!!
@@richardbarton6146 you need to relax dude. It says in the Bible that not all men are suited to be husbands and not all men are worthy of being submitted too !!! Point blank period, Men are supposed to lead, but women also have a say in things. If I don’t think you are trustworthy, I am simply not letting you lead me. Period.
Thank you brother Parr for this video. It's quite an issue in The Netherlands at the moment. Various Christian denominations wanted to merge, but for a long time they could not agree on whether or not women could become senior pastors. After years of meetings they have agreed that women may become senior pastors and so the merge will take place. However, there is a group of believers who disagree (that are members of this denomination), who adhere to what God's Word says about this. Now it is said of them: Christians who disagree with this (that women may be senior pastors) should not be regarded as second-class Christians. Really? That they even have to get the word out to call those christians (me included), who adhere to the scripture, not to call them 'second class Christians'.
I don't know if my contribution is of any relevance, but it really occupies me at the moment. If not, you can just throw it away.
In the age of so much confusing misinformation it is imperative-that we study the word of God for ourselves and allow the Holy Spirit to help us rightly divide the word so that we don’t misinterpret the message and mislead others. Humans in their efforts to explain interpretations of the word are flawed but the great teacher the Holy Spirit is faithful to teach us individually and guide us into the truth without error. It is amazing to see how many misinterpretations of the scriptures are stated and misunderstood. The original intent from the beginning was for men and women to be equal in the eyesight of God and men and women still are. The only deviation from that identified in the scriptures is in the marriage covenant Where in the scripture does it state that Gods men and women are equal in His eyes and can be used everywhere equally except in His church🤔. Role differences and responsibilities specifically in husband and wife relationships are clearly defined throughout the bible Remember God and Him alone has authority to use whomever He wants, when and however He wants to as long as they are willing. Consider this …how many millions of souls would and could be lost if it were not for female leaders teachers prophetess pastors and preachers. Please Study the scriptures for yourselves , pray, pray, and pray again to know the full truth of Gods word which promises to liberate us and make us free🙏
I noticed that in the scripture, Pau says that HE does not allow women to teach. He did not say that God commanded that.
Well taught Pastor, beautiful exegesis of truth from the Word. This message needs to be heard publicly on every channel worldwide. Men that are Pastor's need to lift their voices like a trumpet and stand for the truth, and stop being the tail...God, man then woman
1:56 I don't think 'logic' is the correct term, I think the correct term would be 'bias'. Logic technically means a valid interpretation of truth without inconsistency or fallacy. Love your videos by the way, please keep posting lessons like this.
I’m ordained preacher and a woman. I was ordained year’s ago. Now I myself don’t believe in women preachers. Their are roles that women can play in the church. But not pastoring
Would love to hear how you came to that believe!
Catholic nuns preach. They preach.mostly in to children but sometimes to adults too. But then.they are ordained.
Thanks for your presentation, Allen. I love your systematic breakdown of the topic and how easy your thoughts were to follow. I wish that all the sermons we heard were as easy as this to follow. And you gave so much detail in just over ten minutes, much more than we often hear in a dozen sermons. But I have some thoughts contrary to some of what you said. I hope no-one thinks I am bashing by disagreeing.
One of the reasons why the NT does not show women in pastoral roles, and it is also the main reason why Jesus did not call women as Apostles, was that in that day women just did not have those roles. There are other people he did not call to be Apostles, like Gentiles. For the credibility of His mission as it started he chose a particular culture and was going to transform the lives of many beginning with that culture. The ministry would have been dead in the water if he started out with practices that the common person in the day saw as offensive as having Gentile or Women leaders.
Paul seems to utilize the same strategy in the NT in some places, like in Ephesians 5 - 6. When he appeals to the household order (Men, Women, Children, Slaves) he is not using a hierarchy created by God but by Aristotle who lived centuries before him. In such an understanding of the order men held absolute power in the household and prescribed duties for the others to follow. What is interesting here is that in each couplet the Apostle mentions (Husband - Wife, Parents - Children, Masters - Slaves) he puts the greater emphasis on the man as to what is prescribed by God for him. He does this very smartly, because if he merely addressed the man without speaking to the responsibilities of the others in the household, the teaching would be summarily rejected. But Paul's strategy was planting a bug in the age-old system of oppressive relationships that gave the man the power to do as he liked. By ordering a new class of relationship, and if the man (and others) complied, then the world would be a better place. It is a fantastic missionary strategy he used with Philemon, to accept again his runaway slave, Onesimus, instead of having him put to death as the law of the land required. By accepting him as a brother Philemon fulfilled the law of the love of Christ and did not go against the law of the land. Onesimus went on to become Bishop of Byzantium.
I totally agree with you that Paul was dealing with a local matter in 1 Corinthians 14. But what was that matter? The Corinthians, particularly the Jewish Christians there, were insisting on Rabbinical Law that kept women silent in religious gatherings. In 14:34-35 Paul quotes from the letter he received from the household of Chloe, as he does elsewhere in the book, and then rejects it. "What, did the word of God come to you? We have no other practice in any of the other congregations?" Nowhere else were they silencing women because this would have been going against the nature of the Gospel as outlined in Galatians 3:28.
Then there is the 1 Timothy 2 passage. Paul there is speaking to a local situation in Ephesus of a "Christian Cult" appealing to women to take charge over their situations, even if it means reversing traditional roles of the family. False teachers had wormed there way into the homes of weak-willed women (not all women) and gained control of them (2 Timothy 3:6). Many of the elements of that cult were destructive to the family and particularly to the Christian witness in the community. In such circumstances Paul appeals to the account of Adam and Eve to show what happens when the woman tries to act independently of the man. He appeals to the same story two other times in the NT and in each case he makes a different point. In Romans 5 Adam is the culprit who plunges all humanity into sin, perhaps because he was not deceived. In 2 Corinthians 11:3 he refers to the story but places all the blame on the serpent, though he does say that Eve was deceived. If the passage is teaching that women should not teach men because women are easily deceived then why should they teach other women or children? The admonition here that women should learn in silence is an admonition to anyone (man, woman and child) who wants to teach while possessing a spirit of superiority and irreverence for the things of God. Such is not compatible with the attitude God desires for His servants who will be leading others
One last point - appealing to the way I feel is not "logics" but an appeal to emotions. You asked your viewers not to do that, but in various parts of the presentation you did just that.
Well said
In the verse I have provided below, Paul clearly refers to Phebe as a "Diakonos" in Greek. I have also attached the Greek (strongs concordance) definition of the word "servant" (Diakonos) in that verse to help understand. Women can absolutely do these things, and Paul makes it clear. Hope this helps!
Romans 16:1
[1]I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
Greek: διάκονος
Transliteration: diakonos
Pronunciation: dee-ak'-on-os
Definition: Probably from διάκω diakō (obsolete to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant that is (generally) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specifically a Christian teacher and pastor (technically a deacon or deaconess): - deacon minister servant.
KJV Usage: minister (20x), servant (8x), deacon (3x).
Occurs: 31
In verses: 29
Brilliant!!
Amen, Brother Allen! Just because women are not necessarily called into Pastorship does not mean they aren’t called into a different type of ministry.
My Pastor’s wife is the Lead of the Children’s Ministry of which I am apart of.
God bless women who have been called into Christian ministry by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
2020 here, still a very interesting topic.
And God never changes
@@teresadunlap8840 GOD CHARACTER never changes. Still a very interesting topic indeed.
2021
As a Christian woman I agree with you 100%! (Our opinions are not necessary to the Bible tho) I loved the part on importance of roles. A dollar bill and 4 quarters look different, and yet their value is the same!
But his opinion is that woman is not a senior pastor, but can be junior pastor. Him and Frank Turek. So do you agree with that or that it is for men only?
pick me energy
@@SlovakLutheranMonarchist it’s for men only ain’t nobsuch thing as a junior pastor
On point Brother… 🎯
I don't know when you made an assertion stating on how you feel. To me you just pointed facts, except where you stated that Paul was addressing a women at Corinth, but I agree with that also. At the end of the day, if the Holy Spirit calls you to lead then you go with the Holy Spirit. That's my opinion.
But H S won’t contradict scripture. H S won’t call a woman to be a pastor. It’s not the HS it’s a different voice. 1 John 4:1.
This is absolutely correct but I would like you to say more on the part in the book of Timothy that say women should not teach or usurp authority over the men?
What is usurp? How is preaching, or proclaiming, the gospel of Yeshuah to men usurping? Is that what the apostle Paul means? Or is man's misinterpretation of the this and other scriptures?
@@debell33320001 I am a Seventh Day Adventist and I do believe that women are allowed to teach in church. Paul only told women to not interrupt a pastor and wait to talk with her husband, afterwards. No one should interrupt a sermon and that includes men.
@@mywayfernandez8704 No! Woman cannot preach to men there are so much bible verses that prove that. You are a false prophet. The whole seventh day adventism thing is.
Remember the passage says, Not allowed to Teach and Ursurp authority.
Let them teach and Ursurp Authority over children.
I refuse to follow men. Paul taught that women should not teach and usurp authority IN THE CHURCH. But there is no instruction that they are not allowed to do it elsewhere. Please let's just follow scriptures alone and not our perceptions or personal beliefs. Let God be true and others a liar.
It is important to note that there are no gender disqualifications for many of these office(s). There
are many female leaders mentioned in the Bible who operated in positions of “church”
leadership. There is a difference between Headship in the House (Family Structure) and
Headship in the Body of Christ. The Holy Spirit has no gender, and in the Kingdom, we are ALL
one.
Much of the opposition to women in ministry is based on these two passages:
“As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are
not allowed to speak but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about
something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to
speak in the church.” (Corinthians 14:33-35)
“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to
have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:11-12)
Related verses: 1 Corinthians 11:3, Ephesians 5:22-23.
As with much of the Bible, some background information is helpful for interpreting these
passages:
Biblical-era society was very much male-dominated. The status of women was much like that of
children today -- totally subservient to the male head-of-household. It would have been
considered scandalous for a woman to take a leadership role with authority over men.
Biblical-era women were not educated and were mostly confined to domestic duties. A woman
would not have had the education needed to take a teaching role.
The young Christian communities in the Mediterranean area were already looked upon as
hotbeds of dangerous heretics by the pagan majorities. The apostle Paul and other church
leaders were very concerned about avoiding any appearance of scandal that would make a bad
impression on the people they wanted to convert to Christianity (Titus 2:3-8, 1 Corinthians
14:22-24), or worse, that could be used to justify the persecution of Christians.
Humility is an important theme throughout the New Testament. Virtue comes from obedience to
God, not from rebelling against society's norms (1 Peter 2:13-17). Thus, slaves should accept
freedom if offered, but, if not, should be obedient to their masters in all things (1 Corinthians
7:20-24, Colossians 3:22-24, 1 Peter 2:18-21). Similarly, women should not rebel against their lot in
life (1 Peter 3:1-6).
Although he accepted that people may have different roles in society, the apostle Paul
proclaimed that all believers are equal in God's sight:
"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ
have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor
female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed,
and heirs according to the promise." (NIV, Galatians 3:26-29)
God has used women such as Junia The Apostle (Romans 16:7). A number of women held
important positions in the early Christian churches (Acts 1:12-14, 18:24-26, 21:7-9, Romans 16:1-16).
A number of women are mentioned as leaders and prophets of Israel, including Miriam (Exodus
15:20), Deborah (Judges 4:4-5), Esther (Esther 4:15-17), Huldah (2 Kings 22:14) and Athaliah (2 Chronicles 22:10-12). If your “church” is forbidding women to lead and to preach your church is operating in the Spirit of Error.
Here is some great advice on how to increase male engagement at your church: edifythebody.org/curriculums/
Terri! 👏👏👏👏👏 You betta with those historical facts!!!!! 👏👏👏👏💃💃💃🙏 You said exactly what I was going to say. Plus, Paul says, " I do not permit a woman to teach"... making a distinction between what God/Holy Spirit has said and his own standing/belief. There is no male and female when speaking from the Holy Spirit which should be the only way one preaches/teaches God's people. Therefore, there should be no issue with women pastoring a church. Also, the Messiah, Jesus is he absolute head of the church! As long as the Pastor (male/female) submits to Him and is obedient to Him there is no issue with who is physically leading the church.
Yes! I was just thinking this!! God can use any vessel: men, women, even a child to preach his word because the true word does not come from man it comes from God. The first person Jesus revealed himself to after his resurrection was a woman ( Mary Magdeline) and he told her to proclaim the good news, which is that he had risen.
@@mawilove3418 He is speaking of Pastoring/overseerer, not preaching or teaching. Based on scripture and Christ interaction with his disciples and followers the Holy Spirit will not do what Jesus didn't. The Holy Spirit comes to remind us of what Jesus said. Jesus did not select a woman when he selected the disciples, so therefore the Holy Spirit would not do what Jesus didn't. A helpmate is not an overseerer or Shepherd. I don't believe the the new testament Bible teaches woman pastoring over men.
You said the Holy Spirit doesn’t have a gender? That is inaccurate. John 14:26 NASB
[26] But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
John 16:13 NASB
[13] But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
1 Corinthians 12:11 NASB
[11] But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
Paul also never mentioned education as the basis for the command. He sites creation. Galatians is about everyone receiving salvation and isn’t removing gender or gender roles. no one stops being their God given gender when coming to Christ.
I like the guidelines he puts out to shut down a lot of hateful comments.
Praise the Lord!!! I agree with everything you taught and explained... God has been revealing this topic to me on more than one occasion through other RUclipsrs and videos... my mom is a pastor and I attend her church.. I'm 21, in college and living with her so I cannot move out.. yet I don't want to because I wanna help her out with whatever she may need help with.. but I keep getting this conviction that she should not be leading a church in a dominate role, while my Dad is very, very,passive... God has also revealed to me to look at how female pastors' marriages are... they either have no husbands, there husbands are disabled/passive , or there husbands are feminate... please pray that God will have mercy on my mom and on our family!!!
Wow, that is tough. Do you not have a choice as to which church you attend? You should not attend a church out of feeling pressure. You should go where God leads you.
THE BEAT by Allen Parr I have no choice as to where I can attend.. I have to attend my mother's church... I live under her roof and I have to abide by what she says.. But I know I want a man of God to lead and cover me pastorally... I am just so torn...what do you think I should do?
Chelsea E. Aww bless you. This is a tough one, it is one which may require fasting in line with prayers. I pray that the HOLY GHOST visit your household mightily, in JESUS name. Amen.
sam Ono Amen!!! Time to consecrate, humble myself and seek God's face like never before 🙏👐👐👐
1. I would like to preach on the subject: woman's ministry. First we notice that God created man on the sixth day and in the last place, and there was no woman. Then He rested on the seventh day, in which you must see years and years. Then seeing that the man was alone, God decided to make him a helpmate. If not, in the original plan, God had not found it necessary. That is why the good reading of Genesis 2:18 is: "And Jehovah Elohim said, It is not [too] good that man should be alone; I will make him a helpmate, his like."
2. So woman was not in the original plan of God but she is a by-product of man. Female dogs, hens and the other females are original creatures of God but it is not so with woman. That is why within each animal species, the mating takes place per period, contrarily to humans. And you will not see a dog mounting on a pregnant female. You see? Which is not the case with humans. Even an elderly woman who is already past menopause still has some sexual relations. You see? I can therefore say with respect that woman is the lowest in the creation.
I totally agree with everything you said! Woman can have an important role but we can’t be lead pastors! I’ve always wanted to oversee young women! Children, teen and young women ministry. It wouldn’t feel right overseeing men.
Hi! I love your videos. Here is scripture refuting.
Romans 16:1-2 commends Phoebe as a deacon in the church of Cenchreae. According to Titus 1:7, 1 Tim 3:8-13 deacons are to manage God's household. Distinction extends beyond family but meaning the church. Phoebe as deacon probably did.
Romans 16:7 shows Junia as apostle possibly. As an apostle it would show leadership and church startup.
“Deacon” That is a translation problem.
“I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a 👉servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:”
Romans 16:1 KJV
“diakonos” / Deacon should have been translated into servant but whatever Bible you are using drop the ball. How do I know this? Because Paul clearly states that women cannot be leaders. We use Bible to interpret Bible.
Also Romans 16:7 says
“Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, 👉who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.”
Romans 16:7 KJV
That is not calling them Apostles, that is saying they were well know among the apostles.
Hope that helps, God Bless!!
@@shopson6991 I like your comment Sister. I used NIV translation. Be blessed!
I loved the NIV translation until I realized it doesn't include all scriptures.
@@shopson6991 “And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.”
Mark 9:35 KJV
1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; Rather she is to remain quiet.
There is no debate here
How about you stop saying it's your prospective, and you respect the opposite prospective....giving leniency that either or may be right....and simply give Gods perspective as the only truth. Now days too many churches are watering down scripture just because they feel "the subject is controversal" instead of BOLDLY preaching what God says in the bible. Don't worry about not being popular...Jesus...God Himself was beaten....spit on...scoffed...and finally crucified.....you stand up for what is right and stop this "please don't be mad at me" attitude that is common currently. I don't apologize for Christ's words....and you shouldn't speak less boldly on subjects simply because they are controversial
I concur. It softens the message and leads people to thinking you aren't absolutely sure and that this is your opinion when it is in fact God's word period. clap clap clap
He spoke the message well. Bible says sometimes it is wise to temper your tongue. Also the delivery softens the blow so many will see truth.
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Yeah but he is saying what Paul said (I don't really know who wrote the verses.)But he isnt saying what Jesus .says
Except that CHRIST nor GOD ever said that women are not called.
You kept saying that this is your view, your perspective. I disagree; this is indeed God's perspective. Well done!!!
I agree that a woman should not be preachers. I am a speaker. I mostly speak on pro-life issues, but I also do other talks. Usually, it is at a rally or a Saturday event, but there have been a few times I have been asked to speak on a Sunday morning. Some people have questioned why I would speak on a Sunday morning if I am against Woman preachers. I personally believe a special guest speaker is not the same thing as a preacher. I am curious as to your thoughts on this.
Lorelee Siemens a special guest speaker is different then a woman preacher ....
Let me give y'all a quick history lesson along with some context regarding 1 Tim. 2:11-14. When this verse was written the city which it was written to was mostly worshipping a goddess named Diana ( I believe that's her name it 2am please cut me some slack😂), anyways, at this time of history, your religion made who you were, what role you would play, and what you would do. At this time this idol was worshipped by almost all this city. The particular thing about this idol is that she was the goddess of fertility. So this ment she had priestess that would preform the demonic rituals and so forth. The women running it were Greek women. Which differed from the Jew women in this city. Jew women, at this point in history, were not allowed to leave the kitchen, not allowed to enter the living room, not allowed to speak to men at anytime. And this followed in synagogues. As we all know, women and men are separated in synagogues, and in this part of history, men would sit on the first floor of the synagogue and women in the second. Again this was so different from what the Greek women had experienced their whole lives. These women were loud, outspoken, and had been raised on this culture who worshipped this idol. So the problem comes when the Greek women would convert. When they converted, they had to follow the rules that were set on place in the synagogue. Men on the bottom floor, women on top floor. When these women had questions, concern's, or even were just talking , they were extremely loud. Therefore when the letter was written, he asked them to not speak and not to participate at all. This verse has been taken out of historical context for decades. If the Bible were this cut and dry, we would have to agree with slavery, and racism. I truly appreciate everyone's opinion and interest in the Bible. But once again. It's not as cut and dry. There are historical stories and facts that come along in these texts. There are no women pastors in the NT because if there was, at that time, Jesus would have not been respected the way he was. The had to ADAPT to the culture to be able to reach the people. Yet you see Jesus talking to the women at the water well. When again in this point in history it was shamed upon to talk to a women. So much so that even the apostilles were shocked when they saw him talking to her. Yet they didn't dare to challenge what he was doing. this was a HUGE cultural no no. Yet Jesus broke that stigma. And then she went on to spread the gospel to a whole nation. Thats how our God can use women. I don't claim to be an expert on this btw. I'm just stating the historical side of the story. And I'm sorry if I missed anything it 2am lol
Message for anyone struggling with God's purpose:
If you are called to pastor you do it. No matter if your a Woman or a Man. Don't let misinterpretation stop you from following God's purpose. It might not be pastoring. It might be something completely different. Just follow what God has called you to do, and everything will find its way. He does not call you in vain. He calls you with purpose. Never forget that.
This is utter confusion.
@@masonskaggs1711 how so?
I love what he says in the first off like I was at church and people disagree with each other but they still love and respect each other
So needed as well, Jesus payer for the disciple was unity not division !
Amen brother. You just got a new follower.
Great job your gift keeps growing more efficient teaching His Word thanks.
It's not about anyone's views, it's about what God wants. "Your ways are not my ways" says the Lord
Shalom beloved one, I think you did a fantastic job supporting how you view this subject, but I would like to appeal to some things that may need to be adhered to. One of the more important things here is culture. You told us not to appeal to culture, but culture is one of the principles of exegesis. Also, God operates within the confinement of a particular people group. Also you keep mentioning "senior pastor" as we know this phrase is not biblical but cultural. We know that congregations were shepherded by not just one person but by many people i.e. elders. I believe this argument comes down to conviction! If a congratulation believes (from how they view the scripture) that women can join their leadership in guiding the community by the Spirit then beautiful. On the other hand, if another congregation believes differently then so be it. Neither of the two are sining. The most important thing here is what Paul mentioned in Roman's 8:14 "be lead by the Spirit". I love you beloved one keep up the work. Shalom
Yes, There are pastors, elders and deacons mentioned in the Bible but never a "Senior Pastor". No " Senior Elders" or "Junior Elders" or "Junior Pastors" . Why make a distinction. Pastors period. I agree. I went to Seminary and was often asked if I was going to be a pastor, as if there were no other reason to go to Seminary! I agree no women pastors.
God's words never change!no to women pastor.
No to women pastors! Yes to women helpers. We love our women. Let's keep it that way, it's God's plan.