How Serious is the Sin of Female Pastors?

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Комментарии • 738

  • @Hannodb1961
    @Hannodb1961 3 месяца назад +170

    For me, its not about how serious a sin it is to have female pastors, rather it's how serious a church takes biblical authority, and a female pastor is a serious red flag. Once you start scratching out inconvenient verses, you wont stop until there's nothing left.

    • @DrGero15
      @DrGero15 3 месяца назад +13

      It started with head coverings and spread from there.

    • @tonymercer7759
      @tonymercer7759 3 месяца назад +2

      Quite right

    • @Packhorse-bh8qn
      @Packhorse-bh8qn 3 месяца назад +3

      @@DrGero15 "It started with head coverings and spread from there."
      You can't say that! Head coverings are off limits!
      (But.... you are absolutely right! Once you start excusing your way around plain statements, there is no limit.)

    • @DrGero15
      @DrGero15 3 месяца назад +7

      @@Packhorse-bh8qn Exactly, if a clear command tied to creation can be dismissed as "cultural" than anything can be.

    • @chessboxer35
      @chessboxer35 3 месяца назад +1

      Amen

  • @Shakabaaba
    @Shakabaaba 3 месяца назад +36

    I’ll just stay with my best understanding of how I understand what God wants. There are verses in the scripture that imply women should not be pastors. That’s good enough for me. No discussion needed

    • @Cousinbilly118
      @Cousinbilly118 3 месяца назад +1

      What does the verse say exactly? We don't imply with the word. What is the context?

    • @teresafarrell6457
      @teresafarrell6457 8 дней назад

      Amen.

  • @motorTranz
    @motorTranz 3 месяца назад +130

    "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet.". I Timothy 2: 12

    • @deanschulze3129
      @deanschulze3129 3 месяца назад +9

      Paul is clearly saying that is his position, not a command from God. What would you expect from a Pharisee?

    • @zalomanakbar2350
      @zalomanakbar2350 3 месяца назад +1

      ​​@@deanschulze3129 With all due respect, Paul was given his position by Christ Himself, and he was given divine inspiration by Christ Himself. Paul's position on this would have been exactly what Christ's was/is. If we say that "this was just Paul's opinion," where do we draw the line? How much of the epistles are under the "divine revelation" principle, and what aren't?
      Acts 20:24: “But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.”
      Galatians 1:11-12: “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
      It is clearly taught that Paul has been given authority by Christ to teach. Woman's role is no less important than mans, and neither is greater than the other- but it is clear as day the position of pastoral office is to be relegated to men based on what Paul says alone, cause his words are from Christ.

    • @Packhorse-bh8qn
      @Packhorse-bh8qn 3 месяца назад +28

      @@deanschulze3129 So,, you don't believe in the inspiration of Scripture, then. You don't believe Paul's writings were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
      Is that correct?

    • @smithn.wesson495
      @smithn.wesson495 3 месяца назад

      @@deanschulze3129 Your response is a textbook example of someone who thinks he knows something.....but is dumber than shit.

    • @standards8875
      @standards8875 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Packhorse-bh8qn was it St Paul?

  • @militaryminedid2011
    @militaryminedid2011 3 месяца назад +16

    Pastor Everhard, thank you for sticking to your convictions and remaining biblical in an era within "Christianity" many put being "acceptable" supersedes God's word.

  • @troyanderson1650
    @troyanderson1650 3 месяца назад +16

    I greatly appreciate your ability to present topics respectful and thoughtful, yet still firm on your conviction. This is something I want to strive for in my own life. Thank you for your ministry!

  • @billiamnotbob
    @billiamnotbob 3 месяца назад +163

    Unfortunately, one tends to lead to another. Female 'pastors', then a softening on Homosexuality, etc. The slope is real and real slippery. They'll engage in sophistry, all the while moving further away from the Gospel, and taking many with them.

    • @PennySmart
      @PennySmart 3 месяца назад +11

      Exactly 💯

    • @MansterBear
      @MansterBear 3 месяца назад +14

      I’ve had people scoff at me saying similar. But as far as I know, there isn’t a single denomination or church that ordains homosexuals that doesnt also ordain women.
      Sure there are some (like AoG) that ordain women and not gays, but we’ll see where they are in 10-15 years.

    • @abc123fhdi
      @abc123fhdi 3 месяца назад +11

      yup I went to a church that had women preaching on Sunday but as a lay preacher, which goes against scripture of women not having authority over men. When I asked about their position on same-sex marriage they refused to address it saying it wasn't within the scope of the Q and A. Every time someone brings it up they don't want to talk about it and they had openly LGBTQ people serving in the church and didn't want to address it or correct them. This church is affiliated with the Anglican communion which explains a lot, as they are super woke lately and openly affirm the LGBT lifestyle and have ordained LGBT ministers and pastors. So in an effort not to upset anyone they just don't want to talk about it but passively accept LGBT "christians".

    • @thomasc9036
      @thomasc9036 3 месяца назад +9

      Never met a female preacher who preached without adding errors or blasphemies. We "pretend" that there "may be one", but the reality is not true.

    • @Hannodb1961
      @Hannodb1961 3 месяца назад +9

      I've literally see that play out in the NG Kerk here in South Africa, once the most dominant denomination in the country. I call it "three easy steps to apostacy:
      Step 1: Undermine the absolute authority of scripture by disgarding a very clear, yet seemingly unimportant commandment : Female pastors.
      Step 2: Undermine the moral authority of the Bible by disgarding a very serious commandment in the Bible: homosexuality.
      Step 3: Since the Bible is no longer considered to be a reliable source of moral truth, why do we still need a saviour? Reduce Jesus as just one of many paths to God.

  • @roberttrevino62800
    @roberttrevino62800 3 месяца назад +77

    It borderlines on heresy. It overthrows the entire Genesis account and biblical order.

    • @mastery4living187
      @mastery4living187 3 месяца назад +14

      It is heresy. No question about it.

    • @1517the_year
      @1517the_year 3 месяца назад +2

      @@mastery4living187heterodox, it does not effect salvation.

    • @roberttrevino62800
      @roberttrevino62800 3 месяца назад +2

      @@1517the_year ultimately, it proves someone does not have the spirit of God. You cannot read 1 Timothy 2:12 and allow women preachers unless you are “self warped, conceited, and unfit for any good work”

    • @theeternalsbeliever1779
      @theeternalsbeliever1779 3 месяца назад +3

      @@1517the_year Rebelling against God's government IS a salvation issue. Did God not cast Lucifer and the other sinning angels out of His ranks because they attempted to overthrow Him and make themselves the standard of morality? Is it logical to believe that God would trust a professing Christian with something like eternal life and a position even higher than Lucifer's if they won't submit to His authority? It is certainly not!

    • @1517the_year
      @1517the_year 3 месяца назад +1

      @@theeternalsbeliever1779 perfect theology is your standard of salvation I see! I thought it was faith alone but then again, what do I know! Your logic is poor and I’ll give you a reason. One characteristic listed in scripture for an elder in 1 Timothy 3:4 says that an elder must have children who are submissive of him. ESV. Does he lose out on salvation because he fails in this area? Your relying on human perfection and it’s quite literally, not biblical.

  • @barend4803
    @barend4803 3 месяца назад +30

    It opens the door the very serious Heresy !

    • @michaelicornelius
      @michaelicornelius 3 месяца назад

      The church went the way of heresy a long long time ago. Revelation 17 the scarlet woman - RC church - is the mother of harlots - all other churches.

  • @jeffball6108
    @jeffball6108 3 месяца назад +10

    The idea of women being relegated to a subservient role is abhorent in our society today and unfortunately as time has passed the church has submersed itself more and more into the muddy waters of secularism, to the point it is difficult to find Christ in some churches. Having been involved in pentecostal churches since my salvation (yes folks you can be saved in a pentecostal church😊) I have listened to many female preachers. Generally I would have to say it hasn't been a great experience. Scripture in many cases seems to be secondary to feelings. The other concern I have is there is often a very 'new age' feel to some of their preaching. Also, I don't blame women only, however there is no question female leadership has been an enabler to heresies such as homosexual ordination.

  • @43Danc
    @43Danc 3 месяца назад +7

    Well done. I really appreciate how "tight" yet simplistic and complete your explanations are.
    Thank You Matt.

    • @deniss2623
      @deniss2623 3 месяца назад +1

      You mean simple, not simplistic.
      In case anyone misunderstands you!

  • @anthonyfava9367
    @anthonyfava9367 3 месяца назад +22

    I think the fact that it is a sin rises to the level of heresy as it rejects God's design for both creation and the church. The other heresies that derives from female pastors along with the horrible excuse for biblical exegesis to justify it further equates it to heresy.

    • @Packhorse-bh8qn
      @Packhorse-bh8qn 3 месяца назад +4

      @anthonyfava9367 "I think the fact that it is a sin rises to the level of heresy as it rejects God's design for both creation and the church. "
      No, it is not heresy. Yes, it's a serious sin, but it is not heresy. The Church historically has reserved that very severe word for teachings that directly attack the nature of God, or the Person and Work of Christ.
      This does neither, unless one wants to force a chain of ideas that eventually leads there. But by that standard, all error is heresy, which is patently ridiculous.
      It's only in the last few decades, as the church has become increasingly dumbed down, that that word, "heresy" has been flung around carelessly, at every idea we don't like.
      When we use words promiscuously, they lose their power. When very person who picks up a puppy from the side of the road, is a "hero", well, there aren't any true heroes anymore. When everything is "awesome", nothing can really be awesome anymore.
      Words matter. The word "heresy" should be used sparingly.

  • @joshj3662
    @joshj3662 3 месяца назад +28

    Lawlessness is possible if definitions are redefined and laws are ignored.

  • @kevinacres1699
    @kevinacres1699 3 месяца назад +40

    Behold to obey is better than sacrifice

  • @RandallvanOosten-ln5wf
    @RandallvanOosten-ln5wf 3 месяца назад +5

    How can there be any question about this issue? There are multiple texts in the Bible restricting women from BOTH speaking in the assembled gathering and from teaching the conregation or having authority over men. St. Paul makes it crystal clear that the Apostolic restrictions are NOT cultural, rather, they are grounded in:
    1. Creation (Adam was created first).
    2. Divine purpose (Adam was designed to lead, provide, and protect while Eve was created for Adam and child-rearing).
    3. The Fall (Eve fell for the temptation of Satan and led Adam into sin. Paul indicates this is a warning that women are more open to Satanic false teaching).
    4. The Law.
    5. ITimothy and Titus specifically say that elders are to be men who manage their households well.
    6. The salvific realm for women is stated directly as childbearing and household management. This indicates that salvation is NOT just easy believism but includes a God-ordered and God-ordained realm or purpose within the family. Modern Christianity has turned salvation into a personal Pietistic form of individualism.
    7. A woman with an uncovered head in the gathered congregation dishonors her husband and competes with God's glory (the man). The woman is the glory of man. According to Paul this appears to offend the angels.
    Very few things are as clear and cross referenced as the Apostolic restrictions on women. Hence, for a woman to teach the gathered congregation and have spiritual authority over men is a serious sin. It also opens God's people to false teaching which should be abundantly obvious given what has happened in Mainline Protestant denominations.

  • @charliemaplesjr9091
    @charliemaplesjr9091 3 месяца назад +1

    Very well spoken. I enjoy the way you break subject matters down to the lowest common denominator, which is a help to most of us.

  • @LionofJudah7771
    @LionofJudah7771 3 месяца назад +2

    THANK YOU Matthew! That scale sure helps a lot.

  • @maoristreetevangelist
    @maoristreetevangelist 22 дня назад +3

    Very good sir! women preachers/pastors is a MAJOR problem in the New Zealand church.

  • @je3199
    @je3199 3 месяца назад

    Loove Audible. Just got your book, thanks for the info. Love the channel.

  • @ItsWorkingTogetherForMyGood
    @ItsWorkingTogetherForMyGood 3 месяца назад +3

    I'm a woman, I believe the Bible as is, including Paul's viewpoint. Women have our beautiful place set by our loving Heavenly Father.
    Mary was at His feet and Jesus didn't condemn her, this is the highest place to be happy and content.

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i 3 месяца назад

      I used to believe everything by Paul, but those days are gone.
      Paul ordered/approved of a man's execution before Paul was saved, and another man's after Paul received salvation. Paul, repeatedly stated he was a 'father' that gave birth to Christians. Paul, wrote that Christian men that were uncircumcised upon salvation shouldn't be circumcised, yet ordered/instructed Timothy to be circumcised. etc. etc. etc.
      I wrote a short free essay on some of Paul's teachings. Some parts are about women, but not all. Be careful of the teachings of Paul. Very careful.

  • @Weissguys6
    @Weissguys6 3 месяца назад

    Thank you. Those categories were so helpful.

  • @jc3isfree858
    @jc3isfree858 3 месяца назад +7

    Timely topic for me. Our church just recently made the move from EPC to PCA for these reasons, and others.

  • @Northernboond0cks
    @Northernboond0cks 3 месяца назад +2

    Thanks for this Pastor Matt. I think you've got the seriousness of the sin right where I would put it as well. Being an elder in the only Reformed church in a 200 mile radius, I have to take Zoomers approach and stick it out in my denomination that allows women pastors (Our local church does not). Ready to Harvest had a good video on this topic as well. If I remember right he mentioned a denomination in Australia that made the move to allow women pastors, and actually reversed it years down the road. I'm hopeful that the conversation keeps going in our congregation and denomination and this could someday be the case for us.

  • @fabfrenchies1974
    @fabfrenchies1974 3 месяца назад +2

    Thank you for this message, I like to hear what I need not what I want.

  • @yunowot
    @yunowot 3 месяца назад +5

    You missed out one category which i think describes the situation perfectly: pure, pride driven disobedience. This makes it an issue of church discipline.

  • @mp1k3
    @mp1k3 3 месяца назад +54

    How can a female pastor be "the husband of one wife"? (1 Timothy 3:2 & Titus 1:6-7).

    • @IndianaJoe0321
      @IndianaJoe0321 3 месяца назад +13

      Scripture is clear. I don't understand how egalitarians make sense of verses like those.

    • @PastorCleveland
      @PastorCleveland 3 месяца назад +12

      Literally in the Greek: “a one-woman man” … so the question is literally how can a woman be a one-woman man?

    • @thomasc9036
      @thomasc9036 3 месяца назад +3

      lol...very easily? You can quote scripture after scripture, but the other side will do the same. It's all based on "how people want to interpret and prioritize" teachings.

    • @bertrodgers2420
      @bertrodgers2420 3 месяца назад +1

      true. although that scripture definitely doesn't exclude men who aren't married

    • @thomasc9036
      @thomasc9036 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@thejoshuaproject3809 That whole Tota Scriptura is meaningless. Sooner or later, we need to examine we need to use discernment on individual cases. For example, Apostle Paul commanded the Corinthian Church to expel the sexually immoral brother and have nothing to do with him. How many churches including conservatives churches practice this?

  • @pasoleati07
    @pasoleati07 3 месяца назад +1

    Rev. Everhard, I am interested in your book "The Theology of Joy" but I'm having trouble finding a review of it. Since the library doesn't have it, I'd have to buy it, and so I'd like to first know the contents of what I'm buying - things like its theme and its intended audience, how accessible it is to laypeople, and the like. I have a lot of respect for you and so I'd like to check out this book if it is something I should read, especially as you refer to it as your "magnum opus." Thanks. (Randy S.)

  • @williambillycraig1057
    @williambillycraig1057 3 месяца назад +1

    You nailed it.

  • @whatshallicryministries6082
    @whatshallicryministries6082 3 месяца назад

    Nice work in defining categories

  • @heartofalegend
    @heartofalegend 3 месяца назад +1

    Hey brother, I recently encouraged my mother (professing believer) to visit a nearby EPC based on watching one of their services online and talking with the pastor. He's reformed and seems to reference Luther and Calvin, quite a bit. He's nearby where she lives, which is important because she's rather immobile and needs assistance getting to and from. I'm hoping this could be a good step for her, but your video made me wonder if I should be concerned for any reason. In the EPC, are there straight-up reformed biblical churches, or are they by definition problematic, simply for BEING an EPC church rather than PCA?

  • @glendagaskin151
    @glendagaskin151 3 месяца назад +2

    A sin is very serious according to God’s Word. He does not say that one sin is acceptable.

  • @hanskern
    @hanskern 3 месяца назад +3

    Women pastors having authority over men in a church are a rebellion against God's commandment (1Ti 2:12) and this is a very serious issue. "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry." (1Sa 15:23). There might still be some individuals being saved in such a church, but the church overall has gone astray.

  • @paulsccduff
    @paulsccduff Месяц назад +1

    The first red flag about fellowshipping in a denomination which has female 'pastors' is not the female pastors but the fact that you are in a denomination - despite all the warnings regarding unity in the body of Christ which denominations harm and bring shame onto the Church.

  • @user-rq1dm3ny3s
    @user-rq1dm3ny3s 2 месяца назад

    I really like your videos. Thanks.

  • @arepadetrigo
    @arepadetrigo 3 месяца назад +5

    Although I disagree about infant baptist 🙂, I very much appreciate your take on the disagreement and I too believe we are brothers and one of us just happens to be wrong about that particular issue. There are some other things that sincere, genuine disciples of Jesus disagree on. One day, we'll all know. I also agree with your take here concerning women pastors and the slippery slope. Satan seems to use gender as a very divisive tool and I believe that women serving in offices that the Bible clearly denies them is one of Satan's strongest attacks on the church. Thanks for this well-spoken and thoughtful take on this divisive subject.

  • @stacietyson5256
    @stacietyson5256 3 месяца назад

    Well said, thank you!

  • @brandonvaara4060
    @brandonvaara4060 3 месяца назад +5

    The title of this video is a loaded question. If we were to go through the list of qualifications for elder positions, most male pastors would not live up to the standard. Yet they continue to practice ministry. Same people say women cannot teach men, even though they aren't qualified to do so either.

    • @user-mj9ti4zz8c
      @user-mj9ti4zz8c 3 месяца назад +4

      None of us can actually live up to the Bible's standards 100%. If the man is not qualified, then he should not be teaching.

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i 3 месяца назад

      @@user-mj9ti4zz8c
      And what are the qualifications for 'father'?
      Be careful of the teachings of Paul.
      ________________________________________________________
      For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
      -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
      -words of Paul
      And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
      -excerpt Matthew 23
      -words of Jesus

  • @chrismachin2166
    @chrismachin2166 3 месяца назад +4

    Complimentarianism not egalitarianism is the Bible message.

  • @artistocracy
    @artistocracy Месяц назад +1

    I am female and it really turns me off going to any church that does not have a male pastor. I avoid any that have females up the front. My last church had a husband and wife running services and she did the bulk of them. I left after a year, plus they had other doctrinal errors that irritated me like prosperity gospel and easy believing, which was enough to get me out! 📖✝️🇦🇺

  • @jonkenny593
    @jonkenny593 3 месяца назад +30

    The simple question is do they fulfill the requirements listed for eldership in 1st Timothy and Titus.......I highly doubt anyone with a biblical compass would agree they do.

    • @IndianaJoe0321
      @IndianaJoe0321 3 месяца назад +15

      To me, egalitarians don't seem to consider the pastoral epistles. How can a woman "be the husband of one wife?"

    • @MansterBear
      @MansterBear 3 месяца назад +6

      Exactly. My aunt and I have discussed this multiple times and each family gathering she comes back with another egalitarian argument she’s found since the last time.
      I stopped debating her and now I just ask her “so a woman can be the husband of 1 wife?”

    • @thomasc9036
      @thomasc9036 3 месяца назад +2

      @@IndianaJoe0321 Isn't it Wusband? :-)

    • @IndianaJoe0321
      @IndianaJoe0321 3 месяца назад

      That's when,@@MansterBear , a person finds out that her/his idea doesn't eisegete very well into the scriptures -- there should not be one, single, solitary verse/passage that disagrees with one's theology.

    • @michaelicornelius
      @michaelicornelius 3 месяца назад +1

      This in ONLY Pauline teaching no other disciples said anything about this.

  • @danreichenberg5249
    @danreichenberg5249 3 месяца назад +3

    When the RPCNA examined whether holding to the acceptablity of women elders could be an acceptable exception, they ruled that it struck at the core of the gospel since it effectively denies inerrancy. I agree, and my experience is if you can learn to read the Bible so it is OK to ordain women elders, you can learn to read it so it allows for anything. The sky is the limit!

  • @jamesbarksdale978
    @jamesbarksdale978 3 месяца назад +1

    Interesting post. Although I once was a pastor in a denomination that ordained women, and have attended other churches that are part of denominations that do, I have always leaned complimentarian.
    Like you, I haven't been fully persuaded by the arguments for ordaining women.
    And, although, it may only be associational and not causal, I find it interesting that so many denominations that voted to ordain women have gone on to approve practicing homosexuals, transgenders, and the like.

  • @Lonesoul9791
    @Lonesoul9791 3 месяца назад +1

    Can anyone recommend a reformed church in the Greenville NC area?

  • @Outrider74
    @Outrider74 3 месяца назад +32

    If you violate the Scripture by stating “well it really doesn’t mean that” with one passage, you will eventually do it with other passages.
    And modernism does the same thing every time: it begs for a seat at the table, then it argues to be st the head of the table, then it demands everybody else leave the table.

    • @michaelicornelius
      @michaelicornelius 3 месяца назад

      But are Paul's letter actually scripture in the first place? When he said all scripture is ... there was only what we know as the Old Testament. Many of Pauls epistles contradict each other.

    • @DrGero15
      @DrGero15 3 месяца назад +6

      @@michaelicornelius 2 Peter 3:15-16 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i 3 месяца назад

      @@michaelicornelius
      I wrote an informal essay on some of Paul's teachings.
      He doesn't come out well. Free, if anyone wants a study.

    • @tonimccoy9778
      @tonimccoy9778 2 месяца назад

      So your opinions override the bible and the apostle Paul. The reason Pauline scriptures dont line up exactly with the gospels is that Paul's scriptures are dispensational..Therefore the scriptures do not contradict, they contrast..Toni's husband

    • @Outrider74
      @Outrider74 2 месяца назад

      @@user-iz8np3vv4i That means nothing. I could write an essay saying that modern evangelicals are the spawn of Roman Catholicism, but that doesn't make it true.
      Funny, had St. Paul contradicted the other apostles, you would think that the other apostles would have clearly rebuked him. Yet you read nothing about that in either the Scriptures themselves or the early church fathers. Odd indeed...

  • @sanctifiedandsaved5298
    @sanctifiedandsaved5298 3 месяца назад

    Like your rubric - I agree there are levels of false teaching and your breakdown does much to clarify our attitudes towards addressing false teaching in a biblical way - thanks!

  • @kwfinken
    @kwfinken 3 месяца назад +4

    I would put a category parallel to 'error' and below 'false teaching' that would be those areas that are unclear or disputable in scripture. I would also add that in the categories of "disputable" and "false teaching" it is not just one or the other is right, it is also possible that both who disagree are wrong. I would put egalitarian views in the false teaching category, I would put church structure in the disputable category.

    • @theeternalsbeliever1779
      @theeternalsbeliever1779 3 месяца назад

      God's Word is NOT unclear about the issue. The real issue is you're trying to blur the lines on a subject that God says is black and white. The average atheist can read all of the passages and reach the same conclusion. God has never been unclear on doctrinal matters. Ppl simply try to rationalize them as being unclear in order to feign ignorance. When God says women are not to possess ecclesiastical authority, that's exactly what He means.

  • @charlespackwood2055
    @charlespackwood2055 3 месяца назад +26

    Which churches ordain women? When a woman is pastor and then is married, how can she be the pastor, if he is the head in the family?

    • @pkmcnett5649
      @pkmcnett5649 3 месяца назад +2

      The Wesleyan Church, The Free Methodist Church, The Church of the Nazarene, United Methodists, Episcopal, and the Salvation Army. Some Lutheran church do, too. Christian Missionary Alliance has women deaconesses.

    • @PastorBillDavis-uh2oq
      @PastorBillDavis-uh2oq 3 месяца назад +1

      Foursquare

    • @flowerpower3618
      @flowerpower3618 3 месяца назад

      @@pkmcnett5649church of the Nazarene? I was raised Nazarene . They don’t even allow dancing, “mixed bathing “, ear piercing , or red nail polish . How can they allow female pastors? My uncle was a Nazarene pastor

    • @flowerpower3618
      @flowerpower3618 3 месяца назад

      @@pkmcnett5649a deaconess is not a pastor. A pastor is a pastor .

    • @pkmcnett5649
      @pkmcnett5649 3 месяца назад

      @flowerpower3618 You must have been away from them for over 30 years, or more. Most of the rules you listed have long been gone. Strictness might depend on geography, though.
      Being raised that way and what they do now are very different. That being said, women pastors have been in the Church of the Nazarene since its inception. A woman was one of the founders.

  • @christianchavez4086
    @christianchavez4086 3 месяца назад

    So it’s basically in the same category as cessationism as it goes against very clear explicit biblical commands. I’m with you there!

  • @vickybossom9957
    @vickybossom9957 3 месяца назад +17

    As a woman, I have deeply struggled with this issue my entire adult life -and I am no longer young! I have talked to egalitarian pastors and I have listened to complementary teaching. I have never felt comfortable with egalitarian teaching, nor have I been fully comfortable with complete complementarian teaching. I am always uncomfortable because my giftings lie in teaching, worship and in church leadership and not necessarily with working in children's ministries. Therefore, this issue has always been very painful because I am determined to adhere to the scriptures, prayer, and what they say, not to my desired interpretation of them. If I had a political or medical mind, I could be a doctor or lawyer with no problem. Again, I could become a professor in a university and write books which would teach both men and women. However, this has not been my calling. My call is to labor in service within my church. The frustration increases when I look around and see such a dearth in spiritually qualified men to lead. At least, that has been my experience because my husband and I have always been most comfortable in small and rural churches. I take heart in knowing that I have freedom in Christ, I am under the headship of my husband as well as church leadership. I will not promote myself and I am content. Nonetheless, this woman question is, and remains, a painful one, especially to think that in the secular world a woman can pursue her gift to the maximum of what the Lord will allow her, but within the church which she loves to serve, she cannot. Perhaps I'm sounding melodramatic since I can, and always do, lead home women's Bible studies, etc. Women in church work is an issue that I look forward to the LORD Jesus Christ finally bringing justice to. Thank you for your excellent videos and for tackling, with generosity of heart, some thorny topics.

    • @75Cee
      @75Cee 3 месяца назад +8

      I am exactly like you. Painful. Preaching and teaching are my gifts. The Bible does present women leaders: Deborah, a prophetess. Not the only one. Prophetesses preach. Period. And she was a judge. God Himself raised her up to deliver the people from oppression.
      The fact that Barak is rebuked by God through her for saying that he won’t go to battle without her shows her leadership influence but especially his lack of faith in God. A sin. Men are stronger and made to lead their families and by extension the churches and society. When they greatly fail in their faith and refuse to lead, God sees fit to pick the weaker ones to shame the stronger ones. Jesus said it. This is precisely what happened in this story and it is precisely what is happening today. While very many men are stuck on pornography, video games and have no drive to finish the work, (and many women share in that blame without a doubt), God Himself is calling and equipping… yes, you know what I will say… women.

    • @michaelicornelius
      @michaelicornelius 3 месяца назад +2

      Paul said 'I do not permit ...' Paul; was a man not God and he did not say God has instructed me to say ...

    • @markanderson6707
      @markanderson6707 3 месяца назад +2

      Thank you. This helps me to better understand the question. You reveal yourself as an intelligent, thoughtful and ardent follower of Jesus; and that alone offers comfort.

    • @RShaun
      @RShaun 3 месяца назад +6

      Ma’am, God used a donkey to open Baalam’s eyes. He can certainly use a woman that he created to do the same. Please don’t allow this distortion of doctrine to put limits on you that God and even the Bible didn’t. Paul says he didn’t permit women to teach, nowhere else in the Bible did this man point out where God or Jesus said that it was a sin for women to teach. We are reading about a different time and culture and trying to apply their cultural values as well as their religious values. God told us to remember a great many things, none of which was women being unable to teach. Why would there be divinely inspired books of the Bible that use women to teach? It doesn’t make sense for God to be confused as to which women can teach from His Word and others can’t because Paul. I have seen so many people broken by doctrine devoid of common sense and the Love of God. The limits we put on God should be seen as a sin of the highest order. Denying His power. I think that was right under Blasphemy. But, forgive my rant. This subject offends me and that people perpetuate this and have so much support astounds me.

    • @75Cee
      @75Cee 3 месяца назад

      @@RShaunBeautiful…

  • @stephentruman382
    @stephentruman382 3 месяца назад +4

    Very well put. I‘ve seen first hand the slippery slope that has lead to acceptance of accepting of homosexuality and other forms of sexual sin of the alphabet communities When I was in Leipzig, Germany. Especially among Lutheran Landeskirche.
    Germany is more egalitarian than the U.S., and especially the area that was formerly East Germany where I have lived for most of the last two years.
    I’ve also seen several false teachings, and errant charismatic excesses that have been brought to the local churches by women go uncorrected. The most aggresious example is back in June there was a women from California who called herself an Apostle Of Jesus Christ held a revival event in the building where my home congregation rented our meeting space.
    I spent the last 9 years in the Assemblies of God, and have served with Their World mission, and this is not the only issue that factored into my decision not to further go into the Assemblies Of God World Mission. Not only is this practice rebellion against the way the Church has been prescribed for us in the New Testament, but undermines the order of creation as well.

  • @d.o.7784
    @d.o.7784 2 месяца назад

    Have you ever given some thoughts about who put the books together that you today call it bible and adhere to it as sacred?

  • @betty3107
    @betty3107 3 месяца назад +6

    I have a hard time understanding how God's people have no problem accepting that God ordained man to be the spiritual leader for his family but will not accept that only man has been ordained for the spiritual leaders in the church Could it be pride?

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i 3 месяца назад +1

      Deborah was a Judge. According to the scriptures in Chronicles,
      a pastor/shepherd. Also she was married.

    • @taebrown384
      @taebrown384 3 месяца назад

      Maybe just a different interpretation of scripture?? Not necessarily pride?? Only God knows a female pastors heart.

    • @betty3107
      @betty3107 3 месяца назад

      @@taebrown384 Maybe ❤️

    • @prayersfordeliverance
      @prayersfordeliverance 2 месяца назад

      Yes, could it be Pride? NkJV,
      Micah 6:4, For I brought you up from the land of Egypt, I redeemed you from the house of bondage; And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. God was saying, I sent you three Leaders. Yes, God sent a woman to lead. Women and men (as man) are spiritually equal before God and equally as important to Him. The complementary roles and abilities of males and females bring balance, strength, and help to each another as they fulfill God’s purposes. Women and men (as man) were given the dominion mandate. Males and females (man’s houses) have distinct purposes and designs. Instead of asking if women should be in leadership, we should be asking how they are to exercise their leadership, given their purpose and design. What does the Woman’s purpose and design say about her leadership role?
      Blessings❤️

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i 2 месяца назад

      @@prayersfordeliverance
      you wrote:
      Women and men (as man) are spiritually equal before God and equally as important to Him.
      There were some gender-specific roles on the Old Covenant,
      but there are none in the New.
      I wrote a free poastable essay on Deborah. A Judge could execute
      a man for his sin. There was no way to appeal or alter a Judge's
      verdict. This was all settled at about 1100 B.C. but false teachers
      and false teachings on this matter will not stop.
      Read time: 12 minutes should you wish a study at some point

  • @dnzswithwombats
    @dnzswithwombats 3 месяца назад +9

    Who's will is being done when we do what God's word tells us not to do and not in the way God's word says to do it?

    • @michaelicornelius
      @michaelicornelius 3 месяца назад

      But Paul said 'I do not permit ...' not God does not permit - so its not lawlessness unless you have raised Paul to the level of God.

    • @dnzswithwombats
      @dnzswithwombats 3 месяца назад +4

      @@michaelicornelius No need to make Paul God. Let's be serious. Paul wrote under the inspiration of God and the whole Bible is God-breathed.

    • @theeternalsbeliever1779
      @theeternalsbeliever1779 3 месяца назад +1

      @@michaelicornelius In 1 Cor. 14, Paul states in no uncertain terms that this was a command from God. And since Paul's letters to Timothy were written just before he was martyred, Paul was confident enough as an apostle of God to tell Timothy that he had the authority to enforce the same edict in Ephesus. God gave Paul the authority to enforce that command because it is what He wanted to be done. It was NOT Paul's opinion.

    • @user-mj9ti4zz8c
      @user-mj9ti4zz8c 3 месяца назад +1

      "Who"s will? Read Isaiah 14:12-77 where Lucifer (Satan) said "I WILL" five times. Who's will is being done? MY WILL."

  • @douglassnyder8163
    @douglassnyder8163 3 месяца назад

    Just got the audible book thank

  • @churchhymnsandpsalms
    @churchhymnsandpsalms 3 месяца назад +2

    I’m at work right now, but I hope your answer is very, very serious :)

  • @blackukulele
    @blackukulele 3 месяца назад

    Thank you. The edges of this are appearing in my branch of the Presbyterian Church atm. BTW, about false teaching, I once saw a cartoon about Noah's ark. All the animals except the rhinoceros were at one end of the ark to avoid the rhino was at the other. The giraffe was explaining to Noah that it wasn't the smell, but the fact that the rhino held the doctrine of postmillennialism.

  • @paulreilly4510
    @paulreilly4510 3 месяца назад +4

    Thanks for the clear teaching on these categories Pastor. My upbringing was in the UPC and I watched the trajectory "progress" ever downward. I have been in the C&MA my entire adult life (itself an offshoot from the Presbyterian church) but the denomination has committed to egalitarianism. Is there handwriting on the wall? My conscience cannot be quieted on this issue so far and I am wondering how this is going to work out. Unity at the expense of fidelity to the truth? One thing I must not do is walk a path without God's light in the way.

    • @michaelicornelius
      @michaelicornelius 3 месяца назад

      God's light yet - but Paul says 'I do not permit ...' so it isn't God's word here but Pauls.
      As for the downward trend, in the mid 1800s Spurgeon said the downgrade of Christianity had already begun. He of course was a calvanist and that teaching was highly speculative.

    • @conceptualclarity
      @conceptualclarity 3 месяца назад

      Has the Christian and Missionary Alliance also turned against wives submitting to their husbands?

    • @paulreilly4510
      @paulreilly4510 3 месяца назад

      @@michaelicornelius It seems every generation has points of conflict between the body of Christ and the culture. I am sure Spurgeon was correct in that day just as we are seeing all things gender as the tip of the spear culture is attempting to skewer the body of Christ with. Thanks for seeing that this is not new. The issue about Holy Scripture is very important. How we view God's word says a lot about how we trust the power of God.

    • @paulreilly4510
      @paulreilly4510 3 месяца назад +1

      @@conceptualclarity An answer to this question is as difficult to give as the question is to analyze. On the surface I have never heard a word spoken about it. That may be an answer in itself. I do recall a message I heard at least 10 years ago on the love & respect passages. The sermon was time weighted about 80/20 toward love. I can construe all sorts of meaning about the importance of instructing men to, and how to, love their wives. It is true, I need to hear and do it myself. But there is a clear message in the missing weight in the message. I give the benefit of the doubt to the weight of responsibility and leadership. Yet don't the "love & respect" passages and the "no male or female" both show that we all need instruction and grace?

    • @conceptualclarity
      @conceptualclarity 3 месяца назад

      @@michaelicornelius it is God's word. I Cor. 14:37

  • @IndianaJoe0321
    @IndianaJoe0321 3 месяца назад +49

    Kenneth Copeland is known for preaching the Prosperity Gospel. However, he also teaches that Jesus suffered torture in Hell and then became born-again as He was raised from the dead. This teaching seems heretical to me because it affects the essence/substance of what/who Jesus truly was/is.

    • @MansterBear
      @MansterBear 3 месяца назад

      Kenneth Copeland is a heretic, so of course his teachings are heretical.

    • @andrewwetzel5491
      @andrewwetzel5491 3 месяца назад +9

      The Apostles Creed says that Jesus descended into hell after his death, but never said that he suffered. He did this to preach the gospel to the righteous who had passed.
      The born-again part is heresy. Jesus had no need to be born again; he is God. The need to be born again is due to the sin nature that humans have. Jesus did not take on a sin nature, because sin is passed down through the father, and Jesus had no biological father. Jesus never sinned; again, he is God.
      After typing through all of that I have determined that my original rendering of the born-again thingy was wrong. Kenneth Copeland saying that Jesus was born again is downright blasphemous.

    • @WaterMelon-Cat
      @WaterMelon-Cat 3 месяца назад +8

      Jesus went to hell to proclaim his glory. It is definitely heresy to say Jesus was damned with punishment

    • @tiffanydaniel8996
      @tiffanydaniel8996 3 месяца назад +1

      @@andrewwetzel5491thank you for this. It had been my suspicion in the past that since passes through the father but wasn’t entirely sure. Certainly makes sense of why the NT says that in Adam all sinned. Jesus was not of the line of Adam through his father because He had no earthly father. But every single one of us have an earthly father. Even those who go through Ivf of some other means of conceiving, must have a father involved. Also it is the male’s semen that contains both male and female cells that determine the sex of the baby. I know all this other stuff is kind of irrelevant to your point, but I just find it amazing how complete the word of God is to explain that sin passed through the generations and also explains how Jesus “the Son of Man” and “the Son of God” was without sin.

    • @ethan9868
      @ethan9868 3 месяца назад +2

      A major rift occurred in my family due to this teaching.

  • @srohre9513
    @srohre9513 3 месяца назад

    Great presentation. In the days of semi-anonymous commenting it seems pretty common people to pull the heresy card. It just brings unnecessary tension to healthy debate on doctrine.

    • @theeternalsbeliever1779
      @theeternalsbeliever1779 3 месяца назад

      The idea that women can be pastors/teachers/evangelists is straightforward heresy, and there is no need for a "healthy debate". God says they are not to possess ecclesiastical authority under any circumstances!

  • @752brickie
    @752brickie 2 месяца назад

    Where are you located? I am in western PA. Thank you

  • @penglim224
    @penglim224 3 месяца назад +1

    Would having a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus leads believers away from error, false teaching, heresy, blasphemy and apostasy? Does any church teach its people to build a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus?

  • @jangozerg
    @jangozerg 3 месяца назад

    Yes to this series of questions 0:26

  • @jmh7977
    @jmh7977 3 месяца назад +1

    My wife and I draw a hard line in the sand against everything below error. Error sometimes can be corrected with enough humility, truth, and love. If it can't be corrected, it's already into the false teaching category and requires more determined and robust action, up to and including relocation.

  • @HonzaPokorny
    @HonzaPokorny 3 месяца назад +5

    How do you decide what is clear from the Scriptures? If you interact with our more conservative brothers (people in our reformed camp), how do you decide who is right? If someone has a different opinion on what the Scriptures teach about exclusive psalmody, instruments, preservation of Scripture, frequency of the supper, etc, are they a false teacher?

    •  3 месяца назад

      Good point.

  • @Jesus.loves.you.123
    @Jesus.loves.you.123 3 месяца назад +4

    🍓 I am a female Christian and would say that female are not allowed to preach(teach) according to what I have gone through. I no long preach(teach) after getting the confirmation from King James Version.

    • @genewood9062
      @genewood9062 3 месяца назад

      I trust your studies include Luke 10:19 (with context), and Mark 16:15-18.
      ............
      BTW, in Mark 16:17, the KJV has "devils", but the underying Greek word it is translating, is actually "demons".
      Here is, right from the Textus Receptus:
      δαιμονια (demons)
      εκβαλουσιν (they'll cast out).
      ............
      NOTE: Mark 16:15-20 is part of the Great Commission. It applies to all Christians for as long as the gospel will be preached!
      :--}>

    • @Jesus.loves.you.123
      @Jesus.loves.you.123 3 месяца назад

      @@InspiralJez
      🍓 Whatever I have said here is all true. Probably, I should have said that I am no longer scared of demons/devils. Anyway, I am not scared of demons/devils whatsoever, because I have known the truth and limitations of what they are allowed to do.

    • @Jesus.loves.you.123
      @Jesus.loves.you.123 3 месяца назад

      @@genewood9062
      🍓 Thank you brother. At first, my siblings, who are also Christians, did not believe what I told was true, but, gradually, in the last 2 years, they started believing what I said was true.

    • @Jesus.loves.you.123
      @Jesus.loves.you.123 3 месяца назад

      @@InspiralJez
      🍓 At the very beginning, I was a bit scared of the demon, for I misunderstood that demons attack humans as they want, but now, I can honestly tell you that I am not scared of demons at all. The only things I am concerned is that I always get attacked for committing sins ignorantly. Anyway, the new attack has started, but not physically this time. Obviously, a part of what I wrote in here must have violated the Scriptures, but I don't know which part, since the whole massage is true. Now, I have to edit my message to make it a very brief message. Anyway, nice talking to you.

  • @PastorDavidBess
    @PastorDavidBess 3 месяца назад +1

    Good insights. I'm with you on the issue of women pastors, and the category in which you place it. I see the same hermeneutic used to justify egalitarianism as is used to justify same-sex marriage and the acceptability of a LGBTQ+ perspective. It's often (but not always) a slippery slope.

  • @littletenzo3494
    @littletenzo3494 3 месяца назад +3

    Hello, i have a question that I hope you can answer. I think I know the answer but i would like your opinion if you have a moment. I understand this video about female pastors but i would like to know if a female christian youtuber would fall under this category. I have found several christian women on youtube who speak about the gospel as well as offer advice and teach. Does this count ? Thank you in advance

    • @michaelicornelius
      @michaelicornelius 3 месяца назад +1

      And like everything else on YT there are the good, bad and ridiculous - men and women speaking.

    • @mlneale1959
      @mlneale1959 3 месяца назад +2

      Just my two cents, when Josiah inquired of God about the overthrow of Jerusalem because of their sin, the prophet was actually a prophetess. I would consider the issue more about authority than knowledge and instruction.

    • @peteverhelst2088
      @peteverhelst2088 3 месяца назад +2

      I realize that I’m not pastor Everhart, but pls bear with me. The text quoted earlier says specifically that she shall not have authority in the church. A RUclips video or teaching in school is not having authority in church.. the Lord ties this directly elsewhere to Eve being made second and that she sinned first.

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i 3 месяца назад

      Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman
      can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really.
      I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.

    • @peteverhelst2088
      @peteverhelst2088 3 месяца назад

      @@user-iz8np3vv4i why was Deborah a judge? Was it not because the men neglected their duty? A woman could never be a priest. Levites also we’re all men. Deborah was the exception not the rule.

  • @jimhall5472
    @jimhall5472 2 месяца назад

    Thank you, I think that was a well reasoned and balanced approach. I believe that the sin of women preachers/elders/deacons/leaders, teeters right on the edge of heresy, I don’t think it quite falls over that cliff. But barely. And, I agree that it always leads to grievous error and eventually, heresy. Once a person is willing to twist, contort, and alter sound scriptural exegesis in order to support a personal confirmation bias, they can use that same rationalization to justify any heresy.

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i 2 месяца назад

      So what are the qualifications for the title/position of 'father'?
      Paul believed he was a father, and that there were others. He
      regarded the title/position as valid and also special.
      For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
      -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
      -words of Paul
      And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
      -excerpt Matthew 23
      -words of Jesus
      Paul never states the qualifications for being a 'father'. Even though this
      title/position is rare and special according to Paul.
      Be careful of the teachings of Paul.

  • @Yesica1993
    @Yesica1993 3 месяца назад +23

    Will watch later. But just off the top of my head, it's a very serious sin. It's a blatant and public flouting and usurping of God's authority.

    • @kurtk8926
      @kurtk8926 3 месяца назад +2

      Amen!

    • @Yesica1993
      @Yesica1993 3 месяца назад +6

      Addendum: Unfortunately, this issue has resulted in such hatred towards women, from supposed Christian men. (At least, that's what I've seen online.) That is the part that caught me off guard. I had no idea so many men in church hated women in general - in other words, hated ME - THAT much.

    • @erc9468
      @erc9468 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Yesica1993 It is unfortunate that there is that kind of thing. I think some men have gone a bit overboard. I think that the biggest problem is when just believing what scripture says is "hatred towards women" - theres alot of that too.

    • @WaterMelon-Cat
      @WaterMelon-Cat 3 месяца назад

      I do not think men are growing disgruntled with women due to these religious reasons per say. I think the issue is the horrible party and only fans culture that women out themselves in, which hurts young men looking for genuine love. As this culture becomes more and more accepting of casual relations young men are disproportionately affected by these effects like divorce and broken families, which leads to their pain growing to be bitterness towards all women. Seeing women pastors just reminds these men of the pride of the women who are immersed in this casual culture that hurt them @@Yesica1993

    •  3 месяца назад +2

      ​@brijenell0201I am a man, and even I notice the hatred lately.

  • @danwilsonpastor
    @danwilsonpastor 3 месяца назад +14

    Curious how you get infant baptism from the Bible...?

    • @philagon
      @philagon 3 месяца назад +1

      Curious how you limit baptism from the bible.

    • @danwilsonpastor
      @danwilsonpastor 3 месяца назад +6

      @@philagon Fair question. 1. Jesus got baptized as an adult. 2. All baptisms in Scripture are of adults. 3. A baby cannot choose anything so what is the point? 4. When Jesus gave instructions for baptism He said "Teach, baptize, teach". You can't teach a baby. 5. Infant baptism, baptism by sprinkling etc... were all brought in much later in Christian history when the church was well off the rails.

    • @j.v.2064
      @j.v.2064 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@danwilsonpastorCalvin, Luther, Knox, etc., accepted infant baptism... Were they wrong, or are you wrong?

    • @danwilsonpastor
      @danwilsonpastor 3 месяца назад +6

      ​@@j.v.2064 no Scripture? Your argument is to deflect away from Scripture and turn to men who are supposedly more credible than I am? This has nothing to do with me or Calvin. You are supporting what Jesus warned about - teaching as doctrine things you can only prop up from men.

    • @baltichammer6162
      @baltichammer6162 3 месяца назад +1

      @@j.v.2064They were wrong. The followed Augustine who was wrong. FWIW Augustine's bible was the Latin Vulgate which was put together from loose pile of manuscripts by Jerome. Problem is the Greek manuscripts were in error. FWIW v.2 Latin Vulgate was the bible of Jean Cauvin man in Geneva

  • @humbletheology6591
    @humbletheology6591 3 месяца назад

    Any thoughts on the ordination of ex-cons in relation to 1 Tim 3:7? Just as forbidden as women (however knowledgeable and able) or leeway to bend?

    • @spartakos3178
      @spartakos3178 3 месяца назад +1

      Paul was a murderer. However, he clearly was a new man. If a similar situation would present itself, the example is clear. The problem is demonstrating/proving such a dynamic change.

  • @752brickie
    @752brickie 2 месяца назад

    Well we just had one in our church and she was great “at tickling the itching ears”!

  • @keepitrealoriginal
    @keepitrealoriginal 3 месяца назад

    -And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
    🤔

  • @anthonylangford7797
    @anthonylangford7797 3 месяца назад +3

    No such thing as female clergy just females dressed up as clergy.

  • @pitsnipe5559
    @pitsnipe5559 3 месяца назад +1

    My brother in law once commented that all these problems in the church seemed to begin once women stated become ministers . We belonged to PCUSA for several decades. Left them and eventually landed in an ECO church. In His good time, it became obvious to us that female elders, teaching and ruling , was not Biblical. Now, wait for it… we are in a Lutheran Church Missouri Synod church.

  • @catholicforever
    @catholicforever 2 месяца назад

    I attend an AG church, and I feel like it’s what’s best for me in my locality (the other option is a Methodist church). I’m uncomfortable with female Pastors, but the lead Pastors are males; so it’s something that I live with at my church. What’s your opinion on the Assemblies of God?

  • @abc123fhdi
    @abc123fhdi 3 месяца назад +6

    some churches allow female deacons saying it's a service office and has no authority, but scripture does say even deacons should be the husband of one wife, just like elders and pastors. they try to say it's because the Bible is often taking the masculine form even when referring to both men and women but you can't apply that as being men only and men and women in the other instance.

    • @GavinChmielewski
      @GavinChmielewski 3 месяца назад

      In 1 Tim 3:11, the Greek word translated wives could just mean women. Which could mean that Paul is outlining the requirements for female deacons. It would be odd for Paul to include requirements for deacon's wives here but not the elders wives earlier in the chapter. The next verse would then be a prohibition against elders being polygamists'. Also, Paul already acknowledged that their is a female deacon in Rome, in Romans 16:1. He even speaks positively about her.

  • @Fairford2001
    @Fairford2001 3 месяца назад

    Well said, Pastor Matt! I agree with your conclusion that women should not be pastors. I don’t go to a Presbyterian church but rather non-denominational church. We have a board of elders plus a pastor who’s an elder. There won’t be denominations in heaven so that’s why I’m no longer part of one. I will admit having denominations now may help a person decide to go to a conservative vs. liberal church. I also disagree with infant baptism. But here’s the thing. You’re still my brother in Christ. I have learned a lot from you. God bless.

  • @reformationfan
    @reformationfan 3 месяца назад +3

    Well said, I have seen allowing females pastors connected with the bible in its particular culture, so instead of the word of God as eternal truth it is subject to its time in history. This denies the inerrancy of scripture which I believe is at the heart of churches bowing to the culture.

    • @michaelicornelius
      @michaelicornelius 3 месяца назад +1

      The Bible is only inerrant in the original manuscripts which we don't have, is the NIV, Message Bible, KJB etc etc are they all inerrant because they contradict each other. They all choose to translate words/passages based on their doctrinal position.

  • @brianschmidt704
    @brianschmidt704 2 месяца назад

    Thank you pastor matthew for taking the time to distinguish between degrees of error. I see many pastors and people who claim to be knowledgeable calling all kinds of things heresy. Heresy is a very strong word and goes beyond.Just a different reading of scripture. Well I think that your church is in error on the understanding of calvinism and the end of time, I do not think it even rises up to the level of being a false teaching. Just a different reading and not a huge deal. I am glad that you were able to talk to that person in private and come to understanding and give grace to them.

  • @holdthewinds
    @holdthewinds Месяц назад

    I just found your channel and find your videos interesting. I lead an international Bible study group online. I am a woman. I don't attend a local church because I'm a Sabbath keeper, not a Sunday keeper. Do you think that is a sin that I lead a Bible study group? Keep in mind, I am not in favor of women Pastors either, not just because the Bible says contrary, but because I don't like most of the mannerisms when they have that role. Oh, and I am very conservative, not the least bit liberal here. But one problem is that there are not always enough educated males that are up to teaching the Bible. Question: Should people go sit under a "male pastor" or a "male teacher" just because they are a male, but don't understand the Bible well enough to teach it properly or accurately?

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i Месяц назад

      I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
      In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
      -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
      A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
      Read time: 12 minutes, free

  • @user-jo5vj7zo7v
    @user-jo5vj7zo7v 17 дней назад

    You are right on target pastor, stand strong! Women should also remember this; The Lord chose 12 Apostles to go out and spread the Gospel, to teach and preach. There is never mention of The Lord appointing women. Main reason is, they are a distraction, specifically for men. The hair, the bosom exposure, the tight clothes, short skirts, exotic heel, false eye lashes on and on to mention a few. The pulpit is to get fed with the word of God. It is NOT a stage! I will never attend churches where women are pastors. Oh yes, I AM A WOMEN. I go straight to what is written even if I have to stay home and do it. Stand strong against the evil sweeping the land. Blessings to you.

  • @timkleiner868
    @timkleiner868 3 месяца назад

    Do you think there is a difference between something that is heretical and heterodox? If there a difference would that fall between False Teaching and Heresy?

  • @darrellwatson1071
    @darrellwatson1071 3 месяца назад

    For me, with female leaders in nearby churches, it is how do I fellowship, work together, pray, etc. with them, I am not the judge; I am to love God's people. I have seen good, Godly fruit come from some - not all - of these churches. We can pray that God will raise up men into leadership in those fellowships; in the meantime, I'm not throwing rocks.

  • @moments_peace
    @moments_peace 3 месяца назад

    Yes!

  • @ladym7852
    @ladym7852 2 месяца назад +4

    I was lead to Christ by a woman pastor. So, I’m thankful. 😌 🙏🏽

    • @MrAbsentmindedprof
      @MrAbsentmindedprof Месяц назад

      We rejoice with you. Phil 1:18

    • @NtwanaTsaKasi
      @NtwanaTsaKasi 12 дней назад

      the bible never said women cant be witnesses of Christ.

  • @sawyeranderson1394
    @sawyeranderson1394 3 месяца назад

    What are your thoughts on biblical patriarchy? It seems like you probably affirm more premises of it then complimentarianism

  • @clauderichards6239
    @clauderichards6239 3 месяца назад

    Nice tee!

  • @colmortimer1066
    @colmortimer1066 3 месяца назад +2

    I pretty much agree here, though I do think, there are far more dangerous ideas in most "Christian" churches. Like blessing same sex unions, which is really minor compared to the ones that affirm all sexuality, and pastors of all sexuality. It gets to the point that sins based on pride, lust and other sins supersede the churches preaching of God, to the point the church looks more like the world than it does Christianity.
    I do agree female pastors do seem to be the first step of a slippery slope though, which can be a fallacy if you assumed it in the 1960's when it really started gaining some traction, but in 2024 we can clearly see most churches that accepted female pastors have now included almost any identity no matter how sinful, it seems to be, so there is plenty of evidence that there has been a slippery slope there, and allowing female pastors has almost always led to LGBT pastors. And once that happens the church looks no different than the secular world, so we might as well just be atheists at that point.

  • @jpwministries
    @jpwministries 3 месяца назад

    I don't agree with everything said about female ministers; BUT your explanation of error vs false teaching vs heresy and the rest of the list is very well done. The overall video is great and you did a great job explaining the differences. I hope to be able to respond to this in a few days.

  • @completestrangeronline7284
    @completestrangeronline7284 3 месяца назад +14

    The way you feel about women preachers is the way I feel about people who teach infant baptism. But I don’t think those issues are enough to make it so that I cannot fellowship with either group.

    • @willfull1604
      @willfull1604 3 месяца назад +3

      This is a false analogy.
      There are solid scriptural arguments for Presbyterian infant baptism (not baptismal regeneration) as analogous to circumcision even if you or I don't agree with them.
      The scriptures are clear. Women are not to be preachers or hold authority over men in the church or home.

    • @jeffball6108
      @jeffball6108 3 месяца назад

      Hi, can I ask what is the difference between infant baptism and Presbyterian infant baptism? Also, do you have a video on infant baptism?

    • @jonasaras
      @jonasaras 3 месяца назад +2

      ⁠@@willfull1604The NT states that physical circumcision has been replaced by circumcision of the heart, and NOT done with hands, (Romans 2:29, Col 2:11). Unless you baptize yourself, it’s done by human hands. There is no case in the NT of an unbeliever being baptized.

    • @Yesica1993
      @Yesica1993 3 месяца назад +3

      The difference being that the Bible is silent on infant baptism. I am not aware of any example of babies / young children baptized in the Bible, or any stating of it. The examples we do have are adults, or at least people able to understand what they're doing. In contrast, the Bible speaks directly against women being pastors/teachers of men. That is the difference.
      I would be okay visiting a church that baptizes babies, as long as they make it clear this does not save them. But I could not be a member at such a church. My former church (lost through Covid) baptized babies sometimes. But it wasn't pushed on everyone and it was always clearly stated that it was not for salvation. It wasn't very often, and everything else about the church and its teaching was wonderful. So I was okay with it.
      In contrast, I could not even visit a church where a woman was preaching. That's outright rebellion.

    • @completestrangeronline7284
      @completestrangeronline7284 3 месяца назад

      @@Yesica1993 The problem with that is, there’s forward movement in the New Testament that suggests in other ecclesiastical contexts, women did have prominent ministry roles, such as Romans 16. And in 1 Timothy 2::12-13 notice Paul says I do not permit he didn’t say God did not ever permit a woman to speak or have authority over a man, the reason why Paul did not permit it was because false teachers were coming into the congregations and gaining control over weak willed women who were loaded down with sins. It’s quite possible that if Paul was writing to a church in America today, the question of whether or not a woman can minister for God wouldn’t even come up. We gotta use our heads and not quote texts out of context. So maybe an understanding of the culture and the context might bring clarity on these prohibitions.
      And if anyone wants to be contentious about this particular exposition, remember that you have to do the same thing if you want to justify infant baptism, there is no specific case in the New Testament where a baby is baptized, you have to look at the forward movement of the New Testament toward the baptizing of households. So there!

  • @Dave-if5qj
    @Dave-if5qj 3 месяца назад

    I totally agree

  • @sonofZeruiah
    @sonofZeruiah 3 месяца назад

    4:51 Brilliant graph representation.

  • @stevenchicone9159
    @stevenchicone9159 3 месяца назад

    In Paul’s day, the only people preaching the gospel were recent converts and rec’d the Holy Spirit. The only churches were home churches and some women had these; Chloe maybe? So if a woman had a home church in her home and people were coming to hear the gospel, she had to remain silent? If there is no man to preach then the gospel is not to be preached?

  • @user-cr7ug7co4x
    @user-cr7ug7co4x 16 дней назад

    The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12)

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i 16 дней назад

      A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed.
      A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
      Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter,
      resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy.
      If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.

    • @user-cr7ug7co4x
      @user-cr7ug7co4x 16 дней назад +1

      @@user-iz8np3vv4i people interpret the Bible to custom fit there needs like Pentecostal churches they interpret the scriptures that says the disciples began to speak in tounges they had never spoken before they don't explain the entire verse what the lord ment was they began speaking in other people's native language so they could spread the word of god
      1 Corinthians 14: The gift of speaking in tongues is described as a spiritual gift that allows a baptized person to speak a foreign language they don't know. It's said to be a way to edify someone who does speak that language, and that the speaker is speaking to God, not people. 1 Corinthians 14:27 also suggests that speaking in tongues should be done in groups of two or three, with someone interpreting.
      This is why I don't attend any church but I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ

  • @samoberholz9800
    @samoberholz9800 3 месяца назад

    I would suggest, also, that there is a posture of heart which dictates where particular persons fall on this “spectrum of error.”
    There are some who continue drinking spiritual milk who cannot explain this as sin anywhere else in Scripture outside of explicit passages like 1 Timothy 2-3. There are others, who perform such theological gymnastic, that could probably fall into Denial of the Scriptures, depending on their view of Inspiration.
    No one, not even teachers, can pass along what they have never received; we live in such an age where the standard is being lowered in a faulty attempt to maintain a sense of status quo.
    Let us gauge well-roundedly if their living example - word, deed, and faithfulness - reflects Christ, and if we actually desire to emulate such a pastor as they imitate Christ.

  • @redeemedzoomer6053
    @redeemedzoomer6053 3 месяца назад +9

    I see the female pastors issue as more of a symptom of heresy than a cause of heresy. I don't see EPC and ECO going down the same slippery slopes as the PCUSA, since they didn't start having female pastors as a result of liberalism, they simply inherited egalitarianism from the PCUSA and haven't been quite conservative enough to change that

    • @_ZachB_
      @_ZachB_ 3 месяца назад +2

      Female pastor -> Homosexuality -> Apostasy ie. PCUSA, Episcopal, UMC, ELCA, etc.
      Symptom or no, sometimes the slope is indeed slippery. Mandate female pastors, like the above denominations do and the rest are almost sure to follow. As far as I know right now there is still the possibility of a moral exemption from female ordination at the presbytery level in the EPC not so sure about the ECO.
      I can't think of a single mainline denomination that would allow me to be an elder and take a personal exemption from the ordination of women. Definitely not PCUSA, Episcopal, UMC, ELCA, etc. How could someone be a member under such strictures, there is no chance to change presbytery or denominational views because you have no official voice to change polity if they won't even ordain/appoint you as an elder without compromising your morality. Best bet is getting as many lay people on your side and then funneling them out as quickly as possible.

    • @danreichenberg5249
      @danreichenberg5249 3 месяца назад

      I attended an ECO church with my wife for a while because it was the church she was part of when I met her. (First Presbyterian Colorado Springs) There is a lot of bad theology going down there. Especially when the women preachers get up to preach. Denying the authority of Scripture is denying the authority of Scripture, and it always leads to more and more errors and heresies. I can tell you scary stories!!!

  • @kpete27
    @kpete27 Месяц назад +2

    God's created order. If we don't follow it, it opens up to all kinds of error.

  • @bluelionsage99
    @bluelionsage99 Месяц назад

    Lutheran here. ELCA brand. Our pastors gave been getting married and ordained while female for quite a while. Yeah, maybe "logic" shouldn't be applied to theology, but logically as God is omniscient he would know what future societies would become and I really doubt that the lord wishes to exclude women from helping build churches and attract worshippers. But hey, you all do you.

  • @hollymills4096
    @hollymills4096 2 месяца назад

    Regarding Deacons, Phoebe was addressed as a Deacon / Deaconess by Paul. I do believe women don’t have authority over men but do have roles such as this and can teach - women and younger women and children. Its interesting that children aren’t mentioned being by taught by a teacher (Sunday school teacher) so I assume they are taught by their mothers and fathers unless they are orphans then the role goes to another.

    • @user-iz8np3vv4i
      @user-iz8np3vv4i 2 месяца назад

      A Judge had the authority to execute, whether the Judge
      was a man, or a woman. Deborah. Be careful of the teachings
      of Paul.
      _____________________________________________________
      PREFACE
      I have no intention of explaining how the email which I
      now offer to the web was downloaded to my drive.
      Readers are advised to remember that demons are liars. Not everything that
      Boltglue says should be assumed to be true, even from his own perspective.
      -S. Szpak
      Email #7
      Nightowl, my dear brother
      Our 'good news' is that this war will end and truth will prevail
      over falsehood. Their 'good news' is just a lie. Fight the good
      fight against it. Someday our miseries will end, and the Liar's
      will begin. Not today. Not tomorrow. But soon.
      Their so-called 'good news' is how new warriors are brought into the
      fight against us. Since it is a teaching, the first and most important,
      do all you can to teach that females can't spread the lie of it. If a
      female can teach this fake gospel to a male she might meet by happenstance,
      and he turns to the great lie of the gospel, she might logically believe
      that she can teach any male anything. The last thing we need! Always
      teach that females can't teach males, especially adult males, because
      that would be a sin. Even teach that mothers can't teach their adult sons,
      as that would be sinful. ICMU!
      Make sure the females can only teach each other. The blind leading
      the blind. Teach how it makes perfect sense for some in the inferior gender
      to teach others in the inferior gender. Of course it's contradictory, but it will
      work. Trust me. If a female can actually teach well, make sure she can't
      teach the males. The males are superior, so it wouldn't make any sense anyway.
      Give our truth, that a female teaching a male anything, is always a sin.
      This will hinder the spread of knowledge and therefore weaken the males.
      Teach, if you can get away with it, that a female should never even
      speak to a male about anything in the Old or New Words or anything
      spiritual for that matter. After all, if a female says something a male
      didn't know, she would have taught him something. Teach that this
      accidental sin is still a sin against the Liar. This will encourage a
      fearful muteness in the females. They will fear the sin of teaching
      a male. Let the male teach himself. If he is stupid, all the better.
      Also teach that it only makes sense for the inferior gender to teach
      gullible and ignorant and supposedly precious children, everything
      that is important. As I've said, these animals are really dumb and
      will not question any of the New Words. They will
      force any and all New Words to be logical, even if they
      obviously are not.
      Males will not bother teaching children, since that is female's work,
      and also demeaning. Demeaning because children are even lesser
      beings than females. Both slightly above dogs when you think about it.
      your Godlike older brother Boltglue

  • @WaterMelon-Cat
    @WaterMelon-Cat 3 месяца назад +2

    I would also say women can not validly administer the Eucharist, meaning she is damaging the entire congregation. That to me is far worse than false teaching