Lord give our men the ability to take authority to stand firm to God's instruction to lead & women understand you position under God and the definition of submission while being equal heirs to the throne if grace!
1 Corinthians14:4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the(( one who prophesies edifies the church.)) 1 Corinthians14;39 Therefore, my brothers and ((sisters, be eager to prophesy)), and do not forbid speaking in tongues. Acts 8:3 Church are the people Matthew21:13 A place of worship is called a house of prayer....((Synagogues)) John1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God We received Jesus Christ and He gave us the right to become children of God.... In house of God,, we are called brothers and sisters.... In 1 Corinthians14;39, allows daughters of God to be eager to prophesy..... And 1 Corinthians14:4 it says the one who prophesies edifies the church.......
Kavuma Martin If you’re using those verses to argue for women preachers, they’re being used way out of context to justify your position. Biblical prophecy can and I hope is being used by women for teaching older women, younger women/wives, kids (Eunice and Lois), one on one teaching, but they should not be a pastor/elder. The entire bible is God’s word! See 2 Timothy 3:16
Lord please give our women the ability to preach the gospel and preach so that when man fails then they can pick up and keep going...it doesn't make a difference who preaches the gospel or who teaches it...Jesus never said only men could save souls for Christ....or only men can preach the gospel is salvation....
@@Iron_Major Maybe the point then should be clarified...the underlying issue with all of this has to do with the authority of Scripture. Women preaching is the symptom.
Honestly the "issue" is Beth Moore. She has built her own little kingdom and now she wants to rule over everyone. She's a total wolf in sheep's clothing and the "men" in the church these days need to have a backbone and give her back her skirt and take back their pants. Period. This pc nonsense is killing America and invading the church.
This is not about women but about men giving up their place of God's given responsibilities. Its hard to find any church following biblical structure these days.
@@ritakruger2304WRONG! It’s not about jealousy or pride, and it’s NOT about culture! This may make you mad as a woman, but men are to lead over women in the church because 1. Man was created first and 2. Man was deceived by woman in the Garden. The woman’s deception caused man to sin! As far as the culture argument re the time of the apostle Paul, women were educated, and many pagan religions had women as leaders, not to mention female goddesses of worship eg Artemis of the Ephesians
@@bryanlentz7160According to 2 Kings 21:13 then YOU, as the man, should be washing the dishes then. Don't ignore the verses that aren't convenient for you.
@@MarciaHooley-fr7qj I’m not ignoring ANY verses! How about YOU ignoring Genesis 3: 1-6 about Eve being tempted by the serpent (Satan) and giving in to temptation, then giving the fruit she ate first to Adam. Woman was deceived first.Don’t ignore verses yourself!
Thank you Albert! Remember you people who don't like lengthy answers, that he took time to exposit as well as explain history in his answer. Patience is a fruit of the Spirit. Growing in knowledge and wisdom is a command as well.
Both are needed, small, quick answers and at times longer ones. The real danger, and I think the thing that really annoys some is where the long answer is so confusing and ambiguous that it actually leaves room for doubt and other interpretations. Being smart and vague become a virtue. The Apostle Paul was one of the deepest men alive yet he could also just answer the question, we must do both, that is the real fruit of patience and not allowing for a vague argument, even if it is supposedly intelligent.
@@KristiLEvans1 Have you noticed that men are called to teach on what scripture says. Showing how it's relevant from that generation to this one? That is why I commented. So many people called Pastor Mohler "windy" in one way or another. Patience for the people who are "in a hurry for a quick answer without relevance behind it.
Paul of Tarsus is saying Peter the fisherman says something about Jesus' teaching and a woman speaks the Old Testament Scripture to prove that it is Jesus speaking with power beyond, yet from, the Torah. Sort of like how Jesus states fulfillment or Jesus states beyond action is thought is the same sin to Yahweh. The Jewish woman is from memory quoting the Old Testament to state how Jesus is using the Scriptures to clarify and extend the power of God in our lives and thus revealing Peter is right to state what he is stating. Paul of Tarsus is saying that he is a rabbi and doesn't need a woman to clarify things for the crowd or congregation as that would be an insult to him. Paul can give Christian doctrine and prove the point by using Old Testament Scripture whenever he wants. Its' all already in his head to prove his own point or sermon as correct. We are not to sit there and figure out how to tell women they have no power or value in the church. The Pentateuch gives more written rights to women than all other documents prior to 1930 A.D. excluding the Pentateuch. This honoring of women through written rights was only surpassed because Jewish women in Christian lands felt free enough to make more changes for women. Proverbs 31 reveals women have power to do good and act in our world. So could women support the ignorant Peter the fisherman? You better believe it cause they did. Can women ask questions and learn and give the Gospel of Good News and train up new believers in "THE WAY" that they should go? You better believe it cause they did. But a few rules needed to be laid down. Men in authority could tell women to stop interrupting sermons so that preaching can be accomplished and the women should refrain from interrupting the sermons and merely ask questions after the sermon to their husbands first and then other men, like the pastor if they still have questions. In like manner, leaders and preachers in the church had authority to stop women from interrupting them with quotes from Old Testament Scriptures as a rabbi doesn't need their idiotic speeches bothering them cause if people like Paul of Tarsus wanted to quote Old Testament Scripture he'd do it, but Peter the fisherman likely had people questioning him and didn't mind the women quoting Old Testament Scriptures so that the crowds would know Peter was right. Peter still had authority over the woman helping him. Paul of Tarsus wanted people who were women to be silent as he was a rabbi and certainly did not need their help. Did you ever see that movie, "End of the Spear" where women went to South America after their husbands were speared like dogs by the natives? Those women would be like Deborah over Israel to any converts they gained in Christianity. Those women would be like husbands over their family to their small Christian church. Yahweh would be proud of those women preaching and teaching with authority. Let's be very clear about this.
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence". 1 Timothy 2:12. Simple pimple. the answer is NO. Eve was form second. A elder woman can counsel a young woman. A woman can witness to someone one on one but not to preach. They can teach Sunday school because they are still children but never can she teach men. Eve tried to teach Adam by telling him to eat something forbidden and we all fell into sin because of it.
CHILD OF CHRIST.......EVe did not attempt to teach Adam anything. Adam was standing there with Eve and sinned of his own volition and will. His sin was his own, not EVe's. SHE offered it to him, not forced it down his throat. They were standing there together and chose individually to disobey.
@@childinchrist7335 neither one of them should have entertained that serpant. It didnt matter who was formed first after it was all said and done, because they both chose to sin.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:25-29 KJV
Go ye therefore MEN ONLY, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them CHILDREN ONLY to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:19-20 KJV Jesus never said what I put in Bold. Man as in HUMANS: Men and Women set this standard. Holy Spirit, please teach us to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD, to weigh things in the Bible. ...to understsnd what things are said as exceptions and what things are Absolutes. ..what was for a time (dispensationalism) and what is applicable for our time and all time...in Jesus name For where the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is there is Liberty. Amen. "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
Many people (including myself at one time) seem not to take Paul seriously. But One day, God put the fear in my heart to believe Pauls teachings and not to question him. The Structure of the Church must be so. No woman preachers as God instructed.
I'm sure this brother could've answered and two minutes but I think it was wise to speak to the things surrounding this issue and he did and very well.
So with your brilliant argument Jesus disobeyed God by revealing and expecting the woman at the well to spread His Messaiahood and telling Mary Magdelene to spread the news of His resurrection. And Paul disobeyed God when he singles out several women in the NT who spoke and preached. And BTW the way, as "new creatures in Christ", God cares about all these titles over the spreading of tje Gospel... Pastors, Elders, Deacons, Ministers, Clergy, Preachers etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. So much.
@@Bible33AD the issue isnt can women be used of God. Because clearly as we see in scripture they can. The issue is wether or not they should hold an office of authority in the church. That is a no. As that is also clear in the teachings of Paul. Such a command however does not deminish the role of the woman in the church. For it's NOT about VALUE, its about ORDER. Such commands of God, should not be compromised, in order to be or sound more appropriate to modern culture.
As a missionary I am asked to speak often... though I will clarify every time that I am not a preacher. Do I sometimes explain the Greek or Hebrew as I share how God is showing up in the mission field- yep! Though it’s not me being an elder or pastor. From what I see in the vast denominations where I speak, where there is a woman pastor there are so few men in the congregation.
Being a Missionary is different from being a pastor, it is like evangelizing your sharing God's word. That is entirely different from being a female pastors. Who by that very nature will be usurping the authority of a man as head in the church
It is important to celebrate the many gifts God has given to women and the countless ways they minister in the church. We need to remind ourselves often that a different role says nothing about one’s significance or value. Still, the issue matters, for as churches we must order our practices in accord with the word of God and not our own wisdom. When we deviate from the biblical pattern, there are always consequences. God has given us his instructions for our flourishing and our happiness, and when we follow his instructions we show that we trust him.
Go ye therefore (MEN ONLY), and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them (CHILDREN ONLY) to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:19-20 KJV Jesus never said what I put in Bold. Man as in HUMANS: Men and Women set this standard. Holy Spirit, please teach us to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD, to weigh things in the Bible. ...to understsnd what things are said as exceptions and what things are Absolutes. ..what was for a time (dispensationalism) and what is applicable for our time and all time...in Jesus name For where the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is there is Liberty. Amen. "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
Go ye therefore MEN ONLY, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them CHILDREN ONLY to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:19-20 KJV Jesus never said what I put in Bold. Man as in HUMANS: Men and Women set this standard. Holy Spirit, please teach us to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD, to weigh things in the Bible. ...to understsnd what things are said as exceptions and what things are Absolutes. ..what was for a time (dispensationalism) and what is applicable for our time and all time...in Jesus name For where the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is there is Liberty. Amen. "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
Yes, gifts but not preaching, teaching men, or have any authority over them. This is God’s commands. One question… why don’t roman catholic women complain about being priests? Perhaps they believe leadership is given to men.
@@nberrios777 A spirit (holy) filled women understands her calling and is obedient to the word of God. She know she has a bigger ministry to rear, serve and encourage in her circle. Proverb 31 clearly illustrated what is the ministry of women. She plays a big part for a man to stand out. She know it's not preaching or eldership but rather being that helper/encourager and pushing men forward to fullfill their responsibilities.
simple, clear and the most honest and diligent discussion of scripture that I have heard for a long time. Rare qualities indeed that can be summed up in one word: honesty.
Paul of Tarsus is saying Peter the fisherman says something about Jesus' teaching and a woman speaks the Old Testament Scripture to prove that it is Jesus speaking with power beyond, yet from, the Torah. Sort of like how Jesus states fulfillment or Jesus states beyond action is thought is the same sin to Yahweh. The Jewish woman is from memory quoting the Old Testament to state how Jesus is using the Scriptures to clarify and extend the power of God in our lives and thus revealing Peter is right to state what he is stating. Paul of Tarsus is saying that he is a rabbi and doesn't need a woman to clarify things for the crowd or congregation as that would be an insult to him. Paul can give Christian doctrine and prove the point by using Old Testament Scripture whenever he wants. Its' all already in his head to prove his own point or sermon as correct. We are not to sit there and figure out how to tell women they have no power or value in the church. The Pentateuch gives more written rights to women than all other documents prior to 1930 A.D. excluding the Pentateuch. This honoring of women through written rights was only surpassed because Jewish women in Christian lands felt free enough to make more changes for women. Proverbs 31 reveals women have power to do good and act in our world. So could women support the ignorant Peter the fisherman? You better believe it cause they did. Can women ask questions and learn and give the Gospel of Good News and train up new believers in "THE WAY" that they should go? You better believe it cause they did. But a few rules needed to be laid down. Men in authority could tell women to stop interrupting sermons so that preaching can be accomplished and the women should refrain from interrupting the sermons and merely ask questions after the sermon to their husbands first and then other men, like the pastor if they still have questions. In like manner, leaders and preachers in the church had authority to stop women from interrupting them with quotes from Old Testament Scriptures as a rabbi doesn't need their idiotic speeches bothering them cause if people like Paul of Tarsus wanted to quote Old Testament Scripture he'd do it, but Peter the fisherman likely had people questioning him and didn't mind the women quoting Old Testament Scriptures so that the crowds would know Peter was right. Peter still had authority over the woman helping him. Paul of Tarsus wanted people who were women to be silent as he was a rabbi and certainly did not need their help. Did you ever see that movie, "End of the Spear" where women went to South America after their husbands were speared like dogs by the natives? Those women would be like Deborah over Israel to any converts they gained in Christianity. Those women would be like husbands over their family to their small Christian church. Yahweh would be proud of those women preaching and teaching with authority. Let's be very clear about this.
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner." 1 Timothy 2:11-14 (NIV)
Amen. I am a 60 yr. old woman and more importantly a believer in the Gospel and our Bridegroom Jesus Christ and God's heart has got to be breaking because of all the division in his body. That being said I formally believe that there is an order that our creator set up and there is His All Knowing reason that He set things up this way. Take it up with Him! God's heart is breaking!!!
No worries, Rebecca, Christ prophesied exactly what we are going through, it's all part of the faithful followers walk to the kingdom. "Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. 52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” Luke 12:51-53 (ESV) AMEN!
Titus 2:1,3-5 [1]But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: [3]The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; [4]That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, [5]To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
@ Spencer Tracy - If ‘you’ being a man depends upon ‘you’ using the Bible to ‘put women in their place’, then ‘you’ are one of those self-professed ‘Christians’ that push more people away from Jesus than Satan himself does. People (like ‘you’) have used the Bible to hate and disparage others ever since the Bible was put together. And ‘you’...as countless other self-professed ‘Christians’ have shown...can even come up with Bible verses to justify your bigotry. And lets not sugar coat it and say it’s anything other than pure bigotry. Incidentally, In Ephesians 5:21, Paul urges ‘all’ Christians to “SUBMIT TO ONE ANOTHER out of reverence for Christ.” Guys like ‘you’ conveniently and intentionally leave that out when you’re bringing up the ‘male only’ version of ‘submission’.
@ Spencer Tracy - It’s certainly not all equally applicable. My faith doesn’t depend upon Noah and the Ark being true. Nor does it depend upon women being subordinate to men. These things are NOT Essential Beliefs.
@ Spencer Tracy - ‘Holier than thou’ attitude by a modern day Pharisee like you...shocker. I...unlike you...see what’s in front of me and I don’t pretend it’s something else. When people...like you...use God’s Word to dishonor people made in the image of God, they are on the wrong side of God, as Jesus reminded the Pharisees when they did exactly as you are doing. You’re a modern day Pharisee, just like the ones who placed more importance on their rules and regulations than they did on the Messiah. You ‘use’ God’s word to diminish others that God loves...! Shocker. Some ‘Christians’ beat people over the head with the Bible. People have hated other people with a Bible verse, people have persecuted other people with a Bible verse, people have enslaved other people with a Bible verse, people have bigotry towards other people with a Bible verse, and when somebody confronts them they actually have a verse from the Bible with which they've found a way to disregard and mistreat the people for whom Jesus died using His fathers words...! Give em' a minute and they'll find a Biblical justification for just about any demeaning behavior towards others they want. That's what some 'Christians', like YOU, do. They've taken theology and they've twisted it to empower them to do the very opposite of what God commanded them to do. His command was "Love one another." By THIS, by the way you love, THIS is how everybody's gonna know you're His follower. Not by your theology, not by how you interpret certain Bible verses...the way you love others is gonna be THE thing that communicates more than anything else that you're His follower. And then He said this, "As I have loved you, that's how you're supposed to love one another." Jesus probably doesn't like it when people use His fathers words to diminish others that His Father loves. YOU are the polar opposite of Jesus.
@One for all the spiritual authority does not come over the h/b, it comes over the church. a wife who leads must separate that and yield otherwise to her h/b.
@One for all I'm aware what the bible said and I know there a deeper concept to this. If this is "that simple" then why does Galatians claims male and female don't matter since we are in Christ? Shouldn't the church be focusing on the spirit and not the flesh? What's fascinating is that if women started preaching it would make the word of God sinful since its came from her mouth. Do you understand that? It just doesn't make sense and there are various of reasons... The most common one is if women couldn't preach the word of God then why does the Lord tell us to preach the good news? Unless he was just talking to men and not women lol.
Thirteen minutes is not a very long time for this subject because it is such a controversial subject with many verses that some think are contradictory.
@@annamartin3489 Actually, the issue was settled long ago among traditional Christians. The verses are few, and clear. This is an example of the 'Woke' culture, entering the church. Good day.
I know there is little to no use in posting a comment here...but for those who are annoyed that his answer is 13 minutes: remember that the scriptures speak a lot about speaking the truth in love. This is an incredibly sensitive issue to many, and a current “hot button” issue. Mohler responds biblically, but also thoroughly, winsomely, and carefully. To all those commenters who want a “quick” answer because that’s what the Bible says...imagine if an unbeliever asked you “am I going to hell?”. Biblically, the answer is short and simple. “Yes, you’re going to hell.” But would it be a compromise of biblical conviction to spend time with that unbeliever, explaining the scriptures and doctrines that inform your position? Of course not. It would be winsome. Helpful. Measured. And it might earn a hearing that will bring them to repentance. Christians...if our love of the truth comes at the expense of taking time to be thoughtful and considerate of people with differing opinions, then we actually are not biblical at all....we’ve sacrificed relational capital with those we might win, and have not loved well. Mohler sets the example here of a biblically informed, firm conviction that women should not preach. But he explains it in a way that would engage a skeptic and gain hearers. If we are more concerned with just stating bald truths because “that’s what the Bible says,” then we don’t actually have any real concern that people understand and accept our position on such matters. Mohler does, which is why he takes time to offer a robust answer.
You couldn’t have said it better. I’m surprised you only got one “thumb up”. Unfortunately I feel that, that is a reflection of where we stand as Christians today. Looking at all the comments, people rather argue and disrespectfully make their point using the Bible as a whip. It’s sad 😞
*1Timothy **2:11**-12, ‘Let a woman learn in quietness and be submissive in every respect. For I do not permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness’ {ἡσυχία-hēsuchia - feminine stillness, silence, peaceable, undisturbed}.* *1Timothy **2:13**-15, ‘For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be SAVED THROUGH CHILDBEARING {τεκνογονία-teknogonia - parentage; that is, by implication maternity - the performance of maternal duties)-IF (ἐάν-ean - provided, a conditional particle) THEY CONTINUE IN FAITH AND LOVE AND HOLINESS, WITH SELF-CONTROL’ {σωφροσύνη-sōphrosunē - soundness of mind, discreet, soberness, sobriety}.* *Gen.**3:17**, ‘And to Adam He (Lord God) said, “Because you have LISTENED {שָׁמַע-shâma‛ - hearkened, consented, OBEYED, obedient} to the VOICE {קל קוֹל - qôl qôl qôl qôl - call aloud, LOUD CALL, YELL, YELLING} of your wife (deceived 'ishshâh nâshı̂ym woman - 1Timothy **2:13**; Gen.3:4-6) and have EATEN of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ the ground will be under a curse because of you. . .”*
samhalemba whenever you have to justify/explain your action then most likely you should not do it. Example, when the Lord told me to go help my neighbor, I did it and no need for justification or explanation of my actions.
Agreed. With that said he is just coming at it from a Baptist doctrine, historical and justification based position. No doubt though, God's word is clear that men are to be the preachers and elders of the church, not women.
I like to think of God in three persons. Each of incredible value but with different roles. If God Himself keeps clear distinction between the roles ofFather, son, and Holy Spirit then it follows that he would create roles for us and that we ought to honor the roles we are given by our creator! I grew up with a mother who didn’t need to but worked full time for the church and then worked full time and went to seminary and then became a pastor. Unfortunately She didn’t have time to be a mom to her three children. My dad who actually supported us tried to be mom and dad but there was no way. You can’t replace the absence of a mother in a child’s life. So especially in my case the honoring of her role as a mother first would have been what I believe God would have wanted. At least if you have children put them first :)
Apostles, prophets, and teachers are not spiritual gifts but officers given as gifts to the church. Eph 4:11-12, “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets,the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.” In 1 Cor 14, Paul clarifies the issue when he wrote that “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” When Paul wrote, brothers and sisters, he did so in a way to address the whole church but not necessarily to include woman as authority figures because if he did, he would be contradicting himself by also saying that woman cannot teach or have authority over men in 1 Tim 2:12.
This comment thread is silly. There are many different beliefs within Christianity. It is one’s hope that all beliefs are seeking a faith that is strictly biblical. The distinction, “Baptist faith” refers to a set of beliefs based on a specific biblical hermeneutic associated with Baptist life.
I went to a Baptist church one night last year, and a woman got up to preach, so I left. Changing to suit the culture and dismissing clear Biblical perimeters screams, "I don't trust you, God! You don't know humans as well as I do! I'm kinder than you!"
Yes. Thank you Lord for your love letter to us. God gave men and women specific roles in the Church and home. Thank you Lord that we have your Truths and don't have to be tossed to and fro by every false doctrine.
Paul did not say he forbad a woman to have Authourity over A man. He said “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man…” Note he said “the man” and not just “a man”. 1 Tim. 2:9-15 generally deals with a marital setting (the Adam and Eve analogy, along with the bearing children analogy - the child bearing qnalogy though universal to women is practically relative to the married woman) and this is very similar to apostle Peter’s admonition in 1 Pet. 3:1-9. Creation embraces the martial relationship and not church fellowship. It is not dealing with a church assembly worship. The fact that Acts 18:24-28 strongly highlights the role of Priscilla alongside her husband in expounding and properly explaining (two clear features of teaching) the word to Apollos shows that 1 Tim. 2:9-15 could not not forbidding women from teaching the word in a church setting. There is clearly no difference between men and women IN-CHRIST (Gal. 3:28) except in a marital setting. Any woman trying to adopt teaching as a means of correcting her husband would not succeed. As you connect 1 Tim. 2:9-15 and 1 Pet. 3:1-9, the strength of the marital setting becomes much clearer. This is the very essence of rooting this whole discourse in creation. That creation rooting or analogy embraces marriage between a man and a woman. There was nothing like church in Genesis 1-3. Hence, the passage in more in keeping with admonishing women on how to relate with their husbands and not necessarily how to operate in a “church” setting.
The word of God, aka scriptures, was written for a fallen world to comply with, not the other way around. God is the ultimate wisdom and his word is not to be changed, added to or taken away to fit or appease a changing fallen culture.
The question remains, "Is receiving biblical instruction from a women equivalent to sitting under her authority." During Sunday morning worship, yes. Any other time is up for debate. And for churches taking the maximal position it should result in many more qualified men volunteering to teach children then what we see. I think this is an important tell when deciphering how much of this is about biblical authority and how much of it is about power.
I was lead to Christ by a woman -- and nearly all my early instruction came from her until I enrolled in Bible school. She was a wonderful teacher. And she never infringed where God did not intend for her to be ...remarkable restraint shown by a considerably brainy woman!
@@wesholmes9012 I cannot answer that. I am not a legalist. I wholly agree that men should volunteer more often to teach, and that women stay out of the pulpit -- and remain silent when the church comes together.
Why is this a contentious issue? It is simply because "there is no fear of God before their eyes" (Rom.3:18) There is a word for people who flatly refuse to obey such a clear command of God, and that word is unregenerate (Titus 1:16, I Jn.5:3)
This man is very smart and I like his views. I am a woman and will not join a church that has a woman pastor. They can be Sunday school teachers and have special places in the Church but not as pastors. My Bible and my faith first tells me so.
Paul did not say he forbad a woman to have Authourity over A man. He said “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man…” Note he said “the man” and not just “a man”. 1 Tim. 2:9-15 generally deals with a marital setting (the Adam and Eve analogy, along with the bearing children analogy - the child bearing qnalogy though universal to women is practically relative to the married woman) and this is very similar to apostle Peter’s admonition in 1 Pet. 3:1-9. Creation embraces the martial relationship and not church fellowship. It is not dealing with a church assembly worship. The fact that Acts 18:24-28 strongly highlights the role of Priscilla alongside her husband in expounding and properly explaining (two clear features of teaching) the word to Apollos shows that 1 Tim. 2:9-15 could not not forbidding women from teaching the word in a church setting. There is clearly no difference between men and women IN-CHRIST (Gal. 3:28) except in a marital setting. Any woman trying to adopt teaching as a means of correcting her husband would not succeed. As you connect 1 Tim. 2:9-15 and 1 Pet. 3:1-9, the strength of the marital setting becomes much clearer. This is the very essence of rooting this whole discourse in creation. That creation rooting or analogy embraces marriage between a man and a woman. There was nothing like church in Genesis 1-3. Hence, the passage in more in keeping with admonishing women on how to relate with their husbands and not necessarily how to operate in a “church” setting.
** It’s important to understand cultural context and the surrounding passages surrounding 1 Cor. 14. It’s important to note in that in 11 chapter Paul is giving instruction regarding public worship in light of prophecy and giving instructions to the women and men. In Chapter 12, he goes on to address the spiritual gifts also addressing the men and women. The gifts are listed including apostles, prophets, and teachers, etc… and he points out that we do not all have all the gifts but to eagerly desire the most helpful gifts and he expounds upon using the gift of prophecy. (Which is the gift of speaking, preaching and expounding scriptures under Holy Spirit influence). When you get the end of chapter 14 Paul is addressing orderly worship and dealing with interruptions during meetings. Note that he says when speaking in tongues to be silent in church meetings. Then he says to stop interrupting prophecy when others are speaking. Then he directs married women to ask questions to their husbands at home. The passage concludes with “brothers and sisters, be eager to prophecy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues. But be sure that everything is done properly and in order” 1Cor 14:39
Apostles, prophets, and teachers are not spiritual gifts but officers given as gifts to the church. Eph 4:11-12, “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets,the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.” In 1 Cor 14, Paul clarifies the issue when he wrote that “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” When Paul wrote, brothers and sisters, he did so in a way to address the whole church but not necessarily to include woman as authority figures because if he did, he would be contradicting himself by also saying that woman cannot have authority over men in 1 Tim 2:12. Hope this helps.
I have been received the sign God's calling more than ten years, and I was doubted of God's calling for several years, but then I got the strong spiritual warfare challenging for the latest 8 years. Therefore, I just step forward with God's calling. No more doubt, it is done.
John MacArthur does an excellent job explaining the issue biblically in his last sermon. The answer is simple. No, they cannot preach or be pastors. No fluff or dancing around the subject. Stick to what the Bible says not what man says.
I am clear when I comes to the church gathered. But I am worried when he says women can teach men in the seminary. Is he saying that that a woman can teach a man to become a pastor. I have issues with this.
Because the context was routed back to creation 1. The women was deceived 2. The Man was made first Thus this universal context does not allow a woman to have authority nor teach a man in any Christian context. While Paul began by addressing the church context he went back to the law to show it was clearly laid out in a universal application.
@@robertanthonyross lets have a conversation over those two reasons the first argument is that the woman was decieved first and thus sin came through or because of a women but the solution of sin (Our Lord Jesus) came through a woman also God says in Genesis to the women ''Your offspring shall crush the head of the serpent'' he is speaking to the woman after she was deceived by the serpent, that clearly indicates that God would put women or use them rather as a mechenism for the erradication of sin. Two you say a women comes from a man but a man is born through a woman adam was the only man not born of a women. So come lets reason together
As a 'retired' female Baptist pastor (in the UK), I find these misogynist arguments very hurtful, misused as they are, to suppress the calling and gifts of women. Under the old covenant, there were female prophets such as Miriam, Deborah and Huldah. (Exod.15:20; Jud.4:4-5; 2 Kings 22:1 - 23:3). Deborah was not merely a prophet, she was also a judge, that is, she interpreted and applied the Law/Torah when settling legal disputes, which obviously must have involved exercising authority over men. When King Josiah needed to consult a prophet, he had no problem accepting the word of the Lord from Huldah, even though there were male prophets in Jerusalem at the time. A new and 'better covenant' (Heb.7:22) would not lower the status, or restrict the ministry of women! On the contrary, the Holy Spirit's anointing is for all ages, all social classes and both genders (Acts 2:17-18). The gift of prophecy is said to be given to women as well as men, not one but twice! Prophecy is the public, authoritative declaration of the word of the Lord! Paul expected women to prophesy (1 Cor.11:5), and they did. (Acts 21:9) Romans 12:4-8 lists various gifts, including prophesying, teaching and leadership, which Paul encourages those who possess them to use. Neither the word 'man' nor any male pronouns are in the original Greek! There is no suggestion that some gifts are only for men. Both men and women should use whatever gifts they have! Priscilla taught Apollos, a man! (Acts 18:24-26). Paul tells Timothy to ‘treat older women as mothers’ (1 Tim.5:1-2). Timothy was taught the Scriptures by his mother and grandmother (2 Tim.1:5; 3:14-15), which means that younger men, even those in positions of leadership like Timothy, should be willing to learn from the knowledge and experience of older women. The Greek word translated ‘older women’ is simply the feminine form of ‘elders’, so like it or not, the early church clearly had female elders! 1 Cor.14:34-36 is part of a section, which starts at 12:1, in which Paul addresses questions raised by the Corinthians about the use spiritual gifts (see also 7:1, 8:1, 16:1). He may be quoting something said by the Corinthians, and correcting their misunderstanding. After all, the law says nothing about women having to be silent, and anyway, Paul made it clear that we are no longer in bondage to the law. He can't possibly have meant that women must be totally silent, because he obviously expected them to participate verbally in church gatherings, by praying and prophesying, and he wouldn't contradict himself! 1 Timothy 2:8-15. Paul does NOT say, "I forbid a woman to have authority over a man"! That is a complete mistranslation of the passage. Some pertinent questions: - If Paul simply wanted to say that women should not have authority over men, why does he use the very unusual word 'authentein', instead of the normal word for authority, 'exousia', used throughout the rest of the N.T.? What does 'authentein' really mean? - Why should Adam being created before Eve mean women may not lead or teach? Humans were created last, yet were given joint, equal authority over the rest of creation (Gen.1:26-28). If the order in which they were created is the deciding factor, then woman should have authority over man! - Why should a deliberate rebel (Adam), who sinned knowingly, be more fitted to lead and teach than someone who was deceived? - What does verse 15 mean? That godly women will not die in childbirth? But they sometimes do! That having babies is the way for women to receive eternal salvation? Clearly nonsense! This verse is notoriously difficult to translate. The Greek literally reads: But ‘she (singular) will be saved (or restored) through the birth of the child, if they (plural) continue in faith etc.’ It is vital to understand the background to this letter. Paul was writing to Timothy in Ephesus which was the centre of the cult of the goddess Artemis (Diana), the goddess of hunting, but also seen as the great mother-goddess, the source of life. False teaching was infecting the church: myths, anti-marriage ideas and an obsession with genealogies. (1:4-7; 4:1-3; Tit.3:9). Paul had left Timothy there to deal with the false teachers (1:3-7). One popular heresy was that Eve was created before Adam, and that she gave life to his lifeless body. Also that she, by eating the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, received enlightenment from the serpent, which she then passed on to Adam. Naturally, this idea was attractive to women, and tended to be taught and spread by them. (The word 'men' in 1:3 should be 'people'.) Now, the word 'authentein' has the connotation of originating or being the source of something (compare the word 'authentic'). The Greek in v.12 is the genitive ‘OF man’ NOT ‘over man’. Hence, what Paul seems to be saying is: “[At this time] a woman should learn in quietness and full submission.” (Until they know what they are talking about.) “I do not permit a woman to teach that SHE IS THE ORIGINATOR (or source) OF MAN. She must be silent [on this issue],” (because it isn’t true and it is women who are teaching it!) “For [the truth is] Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived [with Eve bringing him enlightenment]; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner [not a saviour!] But she [womankind, of whom Eve is the representative head] will be restored [to her original status of equality and/or position of honour] through the birth of the child”, (i.e. a specific child, the Messiah, the promised seed of the woman, brought into the world by a woman, Gen. 3:15; Gal.4:4; Luke 1:28, 45), “if they continue in faith, love etc.” Understood this way, we see that Paul is correcting a heresy, which he often did in his letters, not giving a totally illogical reason why women may not lead or teach in church gatherings where men are present!
A pastor said this: “People always focus on what women can’t do, and not on what the many things they can do. Women can do many things that other men who aren’t elders can do.”
1 Corinthians14:4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the(( one who prophesies edifies the church.)) 1 Corinthians14;39 Therefore, my brothers and ((sisters, be eager to prophesy)), and do not forbid speaking in tongues. Acts 8:3 Church are the people Matthew21:13 A place of worship is called a house of prayer....((Synagogues)) John1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God We received Jesus Christ and He gave us the right to become children of God.... In house of God,, we are called brothers and sisters.... In 1 Corinthians14;39, allows daughters of God to be eager to prophesy..... And 1 Corinthians14:4 it says the one who prophesies edifies the church.......
Kavuma Martin Sure, but most doesn’t apply to this; it’s out of context. They’re talking about a position of authority. Women cannot be Pastora or elders. Your issue is with Scripture.
@@frankpichardo5299 Matthew20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, Ephesians 4;11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
Over all, this matter is not based on “religious affiliations “ but Sola Scriptura. Not the opinions of human kind; assuming one believes that the Word of God, Truth, is of its author, The Triune and Sovereign God of all that is seen and unseen. Respectfully yours
I think your personal thoughts on manhood or lack of it are on the mark. I agree with your interpretation on the pastor and elders. My further questions are. On the Lords day, can a women get behind the pulpit to share their testimony? Can a women be a minister of Youth or Music? Most SBC churches utilize deacons as opposed to elders (I’d love to here u speak on this) so can a women be a deacon? I would love to know your answer to this as I really respect your opinions! Thanks
Deacons must be the HUSBAND of one wife. Deacons are given a degree of authority over the entire church. Paul clearly said a woman cannot hold authority over a man.
My opinion is that women should NOT be 'lead' pastors. They should not be in charge of congregations. I do think it is okay for women to be associate pastors because there are many women who feel more comfortable bringing their concerns to women as opposed to men. In the Word, women were judges, prophets, and teachers.
1 Corinthians 14:34-38,40 [34]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [36]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [37]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [38]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. [40]Let all things be done decently and in order.
@@BibleTruthPodcast Let me tell you there is no true man of God, why, i tell you. If there is one such man, he would have been almost equivalent to Jesus and all of us would have accepted him as our shepard.
@@dr.k.t.varughese3151 just because she has no husband at home, doesn't give her the right to get behind the pulpit! 1 Timothy ch 2 & 3 cleanly lays it out. I'm not gonna bend my faith to please popularity. I'm a KJV bible believing Baptist. (IFB). The bible says I suffer a woman NOT TO TEACH! you dont need a concordance or go back to the Greek. I'm not a luke warm Christian. If you are, then woe unto you. Revelation 3:15-16 [15]I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. [16]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. -- Ezekiel 2:5 [5]And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them.
He just said they could pray or read scripture, but "keep silent" means keep silent. That sounds like they shouldn't read, pray, or sing. Do you believe that or is it just preaching/teaching?
Excellent point. Which is why preachers of men are worthless, idle babblers, and people need to stop being lazy and read from the preachers who were appointed by God to preach. Answer: 1Timothy 2:12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. Explanation: 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
@ Jack - What a crock...! They BOTH ate the fruit...! And the first thing Adam did after God called him out was to ‘blame’ someone else for ‘his’ actions. “THE WOMAN ‘you’ put here with me-‘she’ gave me some fruit from the tree, and ‘I’ ate it.” Blame is a way to shift responsibility away from the person...in this case, Adam...who’s actually responsible for what ‘he’ did.
@@antlers163 Well, yes, you are right in that they both ate the fruit. But it's not about blaming anyone because they both were punished as you may recall. The issue Paul is making is in regard to the order of nature in that Adam was created first and he was not deceived (maybe satan could not get to him? who knows) but satan used Eve to get to Adam as he approached her and not him. Yes, you are right again in that Adam blamed God for giving the woman to him and Eve for giving him to eat but remember that he didn't get away with it, so it's not a blame issue. When Christians were gathering in those days the Holy Spirit was among them for the purpose of teaching and edifying as we read how some prophesied, etc, so there was a high level of reverence towards God in the presence of the Holy Spirit as you may notice other writings where Paul expressed his opinion about women wearing a veil while praying and prophesying. The problem, since the Catholics, is that religious organizations today operate under the teachings and appointing of men, not the Holy Spirit, so with many different teachings about their own interpretations, many people don't understand that we today are not to "organize" groups of people, creating churches, and making rules like not permitting women from preaching. People don't focus on the apostles doctrine but on idle babblers. We today are supposed to simply follow the letters the apostles wrote (Inspired by the Holy Spirit) in terms of living holy and breaking bread on Sundays as the tradition set to remember Jesus' sacrifice. Individuals can do that without "being in a church" The point that I was making before was that preachers today are full of nonsense and not worth listening to. I don't see anything wrong with a woman explaining to a man about the bible but to be a preacher in an organized religion made by men is already in contradiction in the first place. And that is why organized religion is so divided and confusing.
@ Jack - Adam “was not deceived”...? He clearly was, he was deceived by the woman instead of by the serpent. And instead of taking responsibility for ‘his’ actions, he blamed God ‘and’ the woman (as you said). There’s some questionable things in some of the New Testament letters. Some New Testament letters forcefully instruct slaves to obey their masters. Philemon even owned a slave (Onesimus)...! Point being...there are some Godly women out there, and some of them are very good preachers of the Gospel. And many people have become followers of Jesus because of their preaching. And many followers of Jesus are edified by their preaching. So I question some New Testament letters on the issue of slavery just as I question them on the issue of women preachers.
@@antlers163 Ok... Eve did not use cunning words, as satan, to convince Adam to eat. That is how the word "deceived" is described. It simply says that she gave him of the fruit to eat, which is why he also was guilty, after she heard the words of satan and saw that the fruit was good to eat, . If you cannot understand that, I don't know what else to say.
@Dan Sutton So you said. "1 Corinthians 14: 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant" It's sad how "Christians" will take a single verse, out of context, and build an entire doctrine out of it. This is part of what I meant by reading the Word intellectually instead of following the lead of the Holy Spirit. This Churchianity doctrine about women keeping silent is simply doctrines of demons (Or doctrines taught by demons) If one reads the the verses above and takes that as the entire work, he takes it out of context, bit time. Back up to chapter 12 at least, then read from there, and you'll find that Paul was answering questions. Sometimes he repeated the question verbatim, and it comes out as a question. Other times he repeats the question which comes out more as a statement. Chapter 14:34 is a case in point. It was a common practice in Jewish culture was to send questions to rabbis on how to live to please God. The rabbi would answer with in responsa. Paul sends a responsa to the Church in answer to the question, “Should women be allowed to preach?” So..the question was Question: Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church (1 Corinthians 14:34-35, NKJV). Answer: Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant (1 Corinthians 14:36-38, NKJV) It does not say in the Old Testament that women are to keep silent. By stopping women from preaching, Satan planned to silence half of the Church, and the church, in general, is complicit in that action, simply by accepting it. Additional scriptures: John 8:32; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Leviticus 17:11-14; 2 Timothy 2:15; 1 Corinthians 7:1-3, 8:1, 9:1-14, 12:12, 14:34-38; 2 Kings 22:14; Acts 18:24-26; Matthew 18:20; Proverbs 4:20-23; Luke 7:7 Does God change? Does He have different standards today than He did in the Old Covenant? NO The Word says He is the same yesterday, today, and forever So then, if women are to remain silent, where does the law say so? Why do we see several well known women teaching, judging and so on? Here are a few of the women in the Old Testament who spoke in obedience to God: Tamar-kept the line of Judah, the promised lineage of the Messiah, from ending (Genesis 38:6-29). Deborah-judged the country of Israel and caused them to defeat the Syrian enemy (Judges 4:4-5:12). Jael-killed the commander of the enemy army (Judges 4:9, 17-22). Hannah-prayed and prophesied of the coming Messiah (1 Samuel 1:10-2:11). Esther-kept the Jewish nation from extinction (Esther 4:14, 7:1-6, 8:4-9:17). Ruth as directed by Naomi-continued the lineage of the Messiah with Boaz (Ruth 4:13-22) 1 Thessalonians 5:23; Genesis 3:15, 49:1, 8-12; Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:31; Psalm 68:11; Romans 12:2; 1 John 4:8; 1 Corinthians 13:8; Romans 5:5; Deuteronomy 28:1-14 Well, this is getting kind of long, so I'll leave it here. You gave me a verse and I gave you an whole case of verses...God's Word is true. The churches in general love to teach doctrines taught by demons...so who will you believe...God's Word or demonic doctrines? You choose and you will live or die by your choice.
@Dan Sutton To answer both of your two last posts....Since you choose to believe your Churchianity doctrines over Word...I'm done talking to you. We have no basis for discussion.
1Cor. 11 & 14, 1 Tim. 2, Titus not to mention throughout the Old Testament the roles God has arranged for men and women are distinct and equal. Anything otherwise is defiance and does have consequences, sadly church discipline is rare today. Great answer here.
At what point will the SBC start kicking churches out if they don't stand by this? What is the point of being in the SBC if you don't have to hold to any confession or belief statement? From Rick Warren and Furtick on one end of the spectrum to solid guys like Mohler.
My question: since/now that I understand and clearly accept Complimentarianism and the value of God's order for men and women, how do I respond and carry that belief in my heart when my Pastor allows women to preach the Gospel? I sense a negativity towards women preaching and I'm trying to get to the bottom of it. Interestingly enough, what he says @10:45 is very true. "If men don't have to do it, women will. There is something about men that they will not lead unless the have to."
@@angelotillas9782 that’s is not the correct or the spiritual answer to his question. It’s a deep issue. You sound like an immature Christian, that is, if you are a Christian.
I had the same issue. I prayed about it, a lot. Leaving a church is a serious matter. They become your family but ultimately, we need to do what God wants us to do.
@@godallowsuturns679 Sorry, God's word is clear on women not usurping the chain of authority in His Church. His Church, not yours. Women in the pulpit is an example of the widespread compromise in America today. You can spin it any way you want, but God has called men to lead, in the church, and in the home. It's simple, unless you are a offended by God's position.
Acts 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Ruth 4:11 Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge To prophesize, is to teach, where do you teach God's word? And for a marriage to work your correct about a woman to be obedient to a man of God, as long as he loves her like God loves the church.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge It has ALL to do with the subject, when two or more gather in God's name, he is present and you are to be silent and let the other speak. Includes men,women and children, Ruth had more manhood than the men at the time, and she led Israel. She didn't speak? God uses whomever he chooses to get his point across.
I'm a member and current deacon at a Southern Baptist church. We adhere to the Biblical distinction that only men can serve as pastor and deacons. We have women Sunday school teachers and women in various "leadership" roles such as treasurer.
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me. At the end of Romans, Paul mentions about 24 people. Phoebe is the first to be mentioned. Translation is NIV, and is also correct, regarding the word 'deacon'. Strongs Number: G1249
Please try and understand that he is taking his time explaining this, because it can be a touchy subject. Everyone is offended nowadays and he’s clearly not trying to cause an uproar or division.
He is not beating around the bush at all. He is giving a clear explanation here, with reference to scripture passages in context. He is right about seeing the order set up by God. Will we allow current culture to dictate our beliefs, or will we stand firm on the foundations God set in place? I would rather put my trust in the creator of all. Humans are fickle and human ideas change like shifting sand. There is nothing new under the sun. Eve listened to the serpent and look where it took both her and Adam. This is just a new attempt at subverting God’s authority and supplanting it with human authority. When we truly treasure our inheritance in Christ, we will be humbled and be more than willing to yield our wills to God’s authority structure and His sovereignty over all things, even our roles in sharing His word.
The holy apostle paul answered this question! Women need to learn their purpose and live according to the will of God, men have to realize they need to stop trying to twist scriptures to keep women happy! Obey God first men! Be the priest and officer of your own home! Read 1corinthians 11:3-5 & 1 peter 3:1 ..
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them. 1 Timothy 2:11 Let G3129 the woman G1135 learn G3129 in G1722 silence G2271 with G1722 all G3956 subjection G5292. 12 But G1161 I suffer G2010 not G3756 a woman G1135 to teach G1321, nor G3761 to usurp authority G831 over the man G435, but G235 to be G1511 in G1722 silence G2271. 13 For G1063 Adam G76 was G4111 first G4413 formed G4111, then G1534 Eve G2096. 14 And G2532 Adam G76 was G538 not G3756 deceived G538, but G1161 the woman G1135 being deceived G538 was G1096 in G1722 the transgression G3847
It's " the husband of one wife, not the wife of one husband " as stated in I Timothy and Titus. If God gave women permission to pastor churches, I'd be good with it. There is an alternative, they can join the Wesleyan and Methodist denominations
To me, a firm believer in the men as Elders position, the bigger question is how do we respond and treat those believers who have followed the cultural trend without further splitting the church and showing a failure to love one another?
If someone accepts Jesus Christ and go to the Church, the culture will have to change. The Bible will not be translated in a way that is will be appropriate to a certain culture.
@@Themoomabides I used to want the answer short and sweet served to me so I didn't have to look or study for myself. You don't find or discuss what truth is that way. It's lazy lol. 13 minutes is NOTHING compared to a full on bible study with a group of people. Good explanation Paul
Is it only Baptist churches that agree with your perspective? I have been looking for a new church home and this is one of the things I want to keep in mind.
Biblical churches do… not just baptists. Many baptists allow women speakers too. There are many churches that have accepted the cultural norm of society… that have adopted ‘feminist views’…. I can’t exactly help you in any other way but to encourage you to keep seeking, praying and asking for a biblical body to connect to. It’s really hard, especially now these days… have you had any success to finding one yet?
@@eliey473 I have found a church that I feel God wants me at. It is a Mennonite Brethren Church. It no longer holds to the view you have presented but is definitely a Bible believing Church. Once again I am excited about bringing others to church. I have met many mature Christians in my short stay. No church is perfect and if it was I have changed that by attending. May God bless and keep you.
Hi. I'm in a church that has a male pastor. It has been like this for 200 years. Our church has a program on Sundays and our service consists of two parts. The first half is an all age message which is mostly very simple and easy message that small children can understand too after this we have the pastor preaching. The all age message is presented by any member who wants to do it and this is men, woman, and teenagers. Should or shouldn't this be allowed?
Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.” So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. -excerpt Genesis 1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created. -excerpt Genesis 5
The fall is very interesting as it exposes the two key flaws in the male and female nature. It's important to note that these flaws were exposed BEFORE they had fallen. No doubt satan observed them and figured out where they were most exposed, what flaws he could exploit. The woman will seek to gain power and authority. Some people think that Paul is giving women an excuse by saying she was deceived. She was deceived, which is why Paul is saying they can't teach and exercise authority over men, but she was not tricked. Tricking her would have been if Satan had wrapped the fruit in an orange peel and tricked her into eating it. No, she was deceived only in that she thought eating it would make her equal to God. She wasn't satisfied with being the helpmate to the pinnacle of creation. So note, the woman's weakness is wanting to usurp authority. Man's flaw isn't that he won't step up, it's that he is inclined to put the woman in the place of God. God didn't say, "Adam, because you didn't step up and protect your wife and fulfill your role as protector..." No God said, "BECAUSE you have listened to your wife and ate from the tree I commanded you saying 'you shall not eat of it'..." This is man's weakness. In his desperation to please the woman he's willing to directly disobey God's commands. Throughout history, when a civilization develops to the point where women don't need strong men to survive, they inevitably try to seize power. This happened in Roman times and it happened in the United States in the 20th century and went into hyperdrive in the 60's with 3rd wave feminism. Radical feminists DEMANDED we all ignore reality and accept their absurd demands to turn everything on it's head and men acquiesced, just to please women, and now our society is hopelessly broken! Feminism was the trojan horse to get Marxism into the United States, to break up the family home and put children in the care of the state and out of the care of their own family. They actually convinced women that taking care of their own home, their children and their husband, was bondage and slavery, BUT working as a cog in a corporate machine (while STILL having to handle household chores and tasks associated with living, like cooking and cleaning) THAT was true freedom. Once again, grossly deceived by the enemy.
@@matth2868 If Paul had said anything wrong..i do believe God would have said something to Him.Jesus recognized Paul as a Leader and told him what to do.
@@morgangrey4020 I'm not saying he said anything wrong but Paul said I don't verses other scriptures that imply God's words by excluding "I"? There's more to it than face value. Read the Greek and translate it yourself. You may be enlightened.
@@matth2868 Only the Bible in Hebrew has the closest true translation of God;s word that i know of....the King James Version was directly translated from that......i have the ryrie study Bible ....Being a Christian is not an easy path to take....and it takes far more than many want to give..so they think around it and say well we can compromise....when God has Never compromised on the written word...There are dire warning for those who do....the Last few verses of Revelation tells us of the Wrath that God would place upon these people........I'd rather be hated as a Christian,than loved by the world.....follow your heart and read the bible and He will show you the way.
@@morgangrey4020 I am but I'm trying to say to you that the New Testament in particular was written in Greek. Old testament was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. It's important we look at what the original translates to on questionable verses like 1 Tim 2:12. There's a Greek word in there used only in that verse that implies something contrary to how it's commonly interpreted. Do some digging. Really. It's pretty cool to see the implications.
Does the Bible forbid women from speaking in the presence of men in the gathered Church in all situations and all circumstances in every context? If a woman prays, gives a testimony, puts in a prayer request, says Amen, lifts a praise or a Hallelujah in the presence of men is that usurping authority of men? If she is taught that she is forbidden from doing this and assents won’t she be disobeying the order to “quench not the Spirit.”
I am as southern baptist pastor. My wife stands up and reads a scripture and gives a few words of encouragement before I preach. Some would say she should be quiet, but God has used it tremendously in our church.
Reading this, especially the comments, confirms that this is mostly about authority/power. Having spend several years in the ministry of Bible translation I came to realize the impact of culture on translation and commentary. When most translators and commentators are old white men from a patriarchal culture, it is no surprise that the theological outcome reflects that culture.
Mark thank you! Yes I completely agree and couldn’t have said it better myself. I try to instruct students that the cultural norms often dictate how Scripture is interpreted. The issue Paul was facing in Timothy for example (women spreading false teaching because they were deceived by the cult of Artimus) called for instructions that limited women teaching because they were spreading false teaching. If however a woman is preaching the gospel or teaching the Bible to a group in the church setting that is a wonderful thing!! By limiting men to preach in a church setting you are putting limits on God when the issue is not primarily about power and authority of men but on the integrity of the Word.
I guess we should just ignore the fact that all of the Bible was written by men who God inspired to record His word. Also ignore the straightforwardness of the several passages referred to in the video (1 Corinthians 14, Titus 2, 1 Timothy 2...). I'm sure it's all patriarchy. Your approach to scripture would mean there's been a conspiracy from the beginning of the church to change the whole Bible, and no one can know what it actually says unless they go back to the original language. No translators can be trusted. Maybe you should translate it into the "New Equitable Woke Version". I would suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror and consider the possibility of popular sentiments of the day leading you to heresy.
@@sethcook30 You are correct in that it was men that wrote down scripture, inspired by the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, our current male translators and commentators do not benefit from the same inspiration. They are, however, the product of thousands of years of western culture that is very difficult to put aside. That culture has impacted our theology over the years. Slavery, segregation, inequality for women and more that all have been introduced by culture and supported by “clear” understandings of scripture. Just 25 yrs ago, our kids were taught at summer camp that scripture clearly taught against interracial dating and marriage. In Bible college, even hair length and clothing choices were regulated by “clear” biblical support. Unfortunately, “popular sentiments of the day have led to heresy.” Culture has always impacted theology.
@@marksweeting24 Certainly culture impacted "Christian" teaching in the past. I'm saying it's doing the same thing today, which is causing people to think scripture has been lost in translation - whether on purpose or by accident - and liberal reforms of the church are sorely needed. This fundamental lie gets people to follow any idea that can be categorized as "nice" or "inclusive". See abortion, gay "marriage", women "pastors", transgenderism, etc... If your theory is correct, then why is there not an explicit passage in scripture endorsing slavery? Or why not have one specifically disparaging blacks in some manner? Maybe add a verse about the moral issues of interracial marriage? Was it your actual kids that experienced this 25 years ago (LDS I'd guess if so, but regardless an interesting anecdote)? What we must do as Christians is thoughtfully work through the scriptures and recognize the studious work of past generations to accurately pass down scripture. The Dead Sea Scrolls were a terrific vindication of Old Testament translation and accuracy. Once the Bible is accepted as true and inerrant, as it is, then a clear understanding of scripture is possible. Inarguably, the Bible supports a complimentary view of men and women. It is not demeaning to women to recognize that they are not meant for leadership, just as it is not demeaning to men to recognize that they are not meant for child bearing. Our dominant culture today (western liberal democracy) tries to argue that men and women are really the same. I'm taught in trainings at work that even the biological difference from them is not what everyone agreed upon throughout human history until two seconds ago. I'm told there's a whole host of genders, that I can be a woman if I want, and that men can have babies. There are "pastors" (often female) of some denominations that support this view. The corruption that you see in the past has morphed into a different corruption today.
I agree on what he says. But recently I came across my friend who doesnt believe that women CANNOT preach. He says that "what if god speaks to a women and ask her to go and preach people the gospel" , I answered " Why will God command us to do something which the bible denies" , He still doesnt agree with me. What do you think i should reply now?
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
Not ALL Men Will Let Women Do A Man's Duty. But The Churches I've Been To, Where A Woman Is Pastor , Most Of The Men Tend To Be Passive. However, Holy Women WANT HOLY MEN TO LEAD.
I appreciate the doctrinal clarity on this, our most important issue of our time. Was it also the decisive action of the 2000 revision of the Baptist Faith and Message that affirmed the office of 'abuse survivor' is biblically reserved for women and boys? That seems to have been a consistent belief for our leadership since the "Conservative Resurgence" of Pressler, Patterson and Mohler.
What you need to do is stop following the 11th commandment and make JD Great step down and get rid of Russell Moore and tell David Platt to get a spine and stop apologizing for praying for the president. Then you need to tell Beth Moore she can never be president of the SBC. But none of that will ever happen. And it shouldn’t take you this long to answer this question.
In the book of Genesis, God created man first. Women was made from man. When a man and a woman in a marriage, the wife ( woman) must be submissive to the (man) her husband, as equal partners. That doesn't mean the (man) husband be abusive and controlling of his (woman) wife. The Bible is very clear on the woman or women in the church through out the whole Bible. The Apostle Paul is very clear about it, in 1 Corinthians 14:34, 1 Corinthians 11:7 and in 1 Timothy 2:12. Churches that have let women to be Pastors of their church have to answer for their actions for allowing women to be Pastors.
Robert Boyes. Yes, I agree with your assessment. There is a hierarchy that was created by God. God-Christ-Man-Woman. It is not that women are somehow incapable of teaching God's Word, that is ludicrous, but it is just that they shouldn't as commanded by the same Word. Many women, I would argue, would probably be better at communicating Scripture in exegesis than many men, however it is not afforded them as an option. As many people have stated, it is simply not permitted. Now, will a woman lose her salvation over preaching--or congregants lose their salvation simply for hearing a woman preach or teach? Come on. Who are any of us to answer that question? I belong to a denomination that has allowed women to preach since it's conception, but I heartily disagree with their doctrine concerning this. I just believe that a woman teaching or preaching to an audience that includes men is disobedience to God's Word. When a woman preaches in our church, which is very rarely, I don't attend that day, or I sit out in the foyer.
@@bev7236 You know, the woman that has preached in our church, I have to admit, is extremely scriptural and Bible-centered. I'm afraid I can't find fault with her theology. That being said, I still believe that we MUST follow Scripture when it CLEARLY teaches that a woman cannot lead or be a pastor. We address her as Pastor. And she is also, I believe, an elder in our church (Church of the Nazarene)
No. You forget MAN was pathetic and needed a friend - aka WOMAN. So its not complete without BOTH. Just because you have different biology doesn't mean you get to control others. That is what this is all about. Except Christ showed up to ladies first. Just think about that. Paul wrote in a certain historical context to a "man's world." The gospel was extremely counter-cultural for what it wrote.
Was Phillip in disobedience to the Lord when he permitted his daughters to proclaim the Word of God? Did the Holy Spirit gave different instructions to him and Paul?
1 Timothy 2:11. Let a woman receive instruction with entire submissiveness, "I DO NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH OR EXERCISE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN BUT TO REMAIN QUIET." This scripture is quite clear and in no way is suggestive of it's pertaining exclusively to only a leadership role in the church. Those who've twisted the scripture to suit their agenda are teaching a false doctrine. But as bad as this may be...Now we see many churches permitting homosexual women to be Minister's without having expressed a true repentance, but are living lives as active homosexuals. Reprobate Christian's as leaders today!!!
And this is the problem. People deciding to leave a church because they don't agree with something the leaders elders have Biblically determined for the best unity of love and obedience in the Body of Christ. As soon as you say what I just said, emotion gets thrown in and all kinds of worldly debates and historical shames and sins get thrown in.
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13 KJV LET'S step out the physical and literal and move into the SPIRITUAL or we may be contaminated by the seed of self-righteousness that was embedded in the pharisees and scribes... "ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." Matt 23:24 TO GOD BE THE GLORY... circumcised, uncircumcised sabbath keepers sunday worshippers meat lovers vegans Jew Gentile male female Bless the Lord oh my soul!! Glory to you Lord Jesus, our King...the only True Faithful Servant...Amen.
The question itself reveals a misunderstanding. Preaching keruso or euangelidzo in greek both deal with announcing good news and as such are not primarily a ministry to the Saints rather to the lost world. A woman is free to preach (announce) the gospel to the world. That's where preaching is ment to be exersized. When we brought preaching from the open air where it belongs to the Assembly where it doesn't belong it lost it's beauty and effectiveness and replaced the mutual edification that should be going on in the assembly.
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I like the Apostle Paul, he gave a straightforward answer instead of trying to dance around the subject.
Amen
He always dance around questions
The Apostle Paul was also writing the canonical inspired version of the answer.
Al can speak and not get the point addressed. MacArthur is biblical and direct to the point.
@@WalkingInTruthMinistry MacArthur is a Calvinist, so he doesn't get everything correct.
Skip to 7:24 to save time.
Haha. I agree C'mon already... get to the point!
Thank you
Thank you.
according to multiple scriptures women should not teach or preach in the church
whew....thank you !
Lord give our men the ability to take authority to stand firm to God's instruction to lead & women understand you position under God and the definition of submission while being equal heirs to the throne if grace!
1 Corinthians14:4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the(( one who prophesies edifies the church.))
1 Corinthians14;39 Therefore, my brothers and ((sisters, be eager to prophesy)), and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
Acts 8:3 Church are the people
Matthew21:13 A place of worship is called a house of prayer....((Synagogues))
John1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
We received Jesus Christ and He gave us the right to become children of God....
In house of God,, we are called brothers and sisters....
In 1 Corinthians14;39, allows daughters of God to be eager to prophesy.....
And 1 Corinthians14:4 it says the one who prophesies edifies the church.......
Amen.
Kavuma Martin If you’re using those verses to argue for women preachers, they’re being used way out of context to justify your position. Biblical prophecy can and I hope is being used by women for teaching older women, younger women/wives, kids (Eunice and Lois), one on one teaching, but they should not be a pastor/elder. The entire bible is God’s word! See 2 Timothy 3:16
Lord please give our women the ability to preach the gospel and preach so that when man fails then they can pick up and keep going...it doesn't make a difference who preaches the gospel or who teaches it...Jesus never said only men could save souls for Christ....or only men can preach the gospel is salvation....
@Sharleen Parrino, well said, we need to do as the LORD says in the name of the Lord Jesus Amen
The issue is not women preaching and or pastoring it's about Biblical authority.
@@Iron_Major Maybe the point then should be clarified...the underlying issue with all of this has to do with the authority of Scripture. Women preaching is the symptom.
Honestly the "issue" is Beth Moore. She has built her own little kingdom and now she wants to rule over everyone. She's a total wolf in sheep's clothing and the "men" in the church these days need to have a backbone and give her back her skirt and take back their pants. Period. This pc nonsense is killing America and invading the church.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 Woman can preach though
@@KamiTenchi Not the gospel.
@David J I agree totally. Women can also teach other women.
This is not about women but about men giving up their place of God's given responsibilities. Its hard to find any church following biblical structure these days.
That’s exactly right, spot on explanation
It's pure jealously of men...their ego...their pride ..that's a sin
@@ritakruger2304WRONG! It’s not about jealousy or pride, and it’s NOT about culture! This may make you mad as a woman, but men are to lead over women in the church because 1. Man was created first and 2. Man was deceived by woman in the Garden. The woman’s deception caused man to sin! As far as the culture argument re the time of the apostle Paul, women were educated, and many pagan religions had women as leaders, not to mention female goddesses of worship eg Artemis of the Ephesians
@@bryanlentz7160According to 2 Kings 21:13 then YOU, as the man, should be washing the dishes then. Don't ignore the verses that aren't convenient for you.
@@MarciaHooley-fr7qj I’m not ignoring ANY verses! How about YOU ignoring Genesis 3: 1-6 about Eve being tempted by the serpent (Satan) and giving in to temptation, then giving the fruit she ate first to Adam. Woman was deceived first.Don’t ignore verses yourself!
Thank you Albert! Remember you people who don't like lengthy answers, that he took time to exposit as well as explain history in his answer. Patience is a fruit of the Spirit. Growing in knowledge and wisdom is a command as well.
Both are needed, small, quick answers and at times longer ones. The real danger, and I think the thing that really annoys some is where the long answer is so confusing and ambiguous that it actually leaves room for doubt and other interpretations. Being smart and vague become a virtue. The Apostle Paul was one of the deepest men alive yet he could also just answer the question, we must do both, that is the real fruit of patience and not allowing for a vague argument, even if it is supposedly intelligent.
This isn’t about patience, Jarrod. The answer is “No.”. It’s a 10 second video. Scripture is painfully clear on this.
@@KristiLEvans1 Have you noticed that men are called to teach on what scripture says. Showing how it's relevant from that generation to this one? That is why I commented. So many people called Pastor Mohler "windy" in one way or another. Patience for the people who are "in a hurry for a quick answer without relevance behind it.
Actually you are correct and this video is useful to share with those who don't have an understanding of scripture it's lengthy but we'll explained
Paul of Tarsus is saying Peter the fisherman says something about Jesus' teaching and a woman speaks the Old Testament Scripture to prove that it is Jesus speaking with power beyond, yet from, the Torah. Sort of like how Jesus states fulfillment or Jesus states beyond action is thought is the same sin to Yahweh. The Jewish woman is from memory quoting the Old Testament to state how Jesus is using the Scriptures to clarify and extend the power of God in our lives and thus revealing Peter is right to state what he is stating.
Paul of Tarsus is saying that he is a rabbi and doesn't need a woman to clarify things for the crowd or congregation as that would be an insult to him. Paul can give Christian doctrine and prove the point by using Old Testament Scripture whenever he wants. Its' all already in his head to prove his own point or sermon as correct.
We are not to sit there and figure out how to tell women they have no power or value in the church. The Pentateuch gives more written rights to women than all other documents prior to 1930 A.D. excluding the Pentateuch. This honoring of women through written rights was only surpassed because Jewish women in Christian lands felt free enough to make more changes for women.
Proverbs 31 reveals women have power to do good and act in our world. So could women support the ignorant Peter the fisherman? You better believe it cause they did. Can women ask questions and learn and give the Gospel of Good News and train up new believers in "THE WAY" that they should go? You better believe it cause they did. But a few rules needed to be laid down. Men in authority could tell women to stop interrupting sermons so that preaching can be accomplished and the women should refrain from interrupting the sermons and merely ask questions after the sermon to their husbands first and then other men, like the pastor if they still have questions. In like manner, leaders and preachers in the church had authority to stop women from interrupting them with quotes from Old Testament Scriptures as a rabbi doesn't need their idiotic speeches bothering them cause if people like Paul of Tarsus wanted to quote Old Testament Scripture he'd do it, but Peter the fisherman likely had people questioning him and didn't mind the women quoting Old Testament Scriptures so that the crowds would know Peter was right.
Peter still had authority over the woman helping him.
Paul of Tarsus wanted people who were women to be silent as he was a rabbi and certainly did not need their help.
Did you ever see that movie, "End of the Spear" where women went to South America after their husbands were speared like dogs by the natives? Those women would be like Deborah over Israel to any converts they gained in Christianity. Those women would be like husbands over their family to their small Christian church. Yahweh would be proud of those women preaching and teaching with authority. Let's be very clear about this.
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence". 1 Timothy 2:12. Simple pimple. the answer is NO. Eve was form second. A elder woman can counsel a young woman. A woman can witness to someone one on one but not to preach. They can teach Sunday school because they are still children but never can she teach men. Eve tried to teach Adam by telling him to eat something forbidden and we all fell into sin because of it.
CHILD OF CHRIST.......EVe did not attempt to teach Adam anything. Adam was standing there with Eve and sinned of his own volition and will. His sin was his own, not EVe's. SHE offered it to him, not forced it down his throat. They were standing there together and chose individually to disobey.
@@tiathompson6674 that is true but my point was she should have let a husband have the conversation with the serpent cause he was first formed.
@@childinchrist7335 neither one of them should have entertained that serpant. It didnt matter who was formed first after it was all said and done, because they both chose to sin.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:25-29 KJV
Go ye therefore MEN ONLY, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them CHILDREN ONLY to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
Jesus never said what I put in Bold. Man as in HUMANS: Men and Women set this standard. Holy Spirit, please teach us to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD, to weigh things in the Bible. ...to understsnd what things are said as exceptions and what things are Absolutes. ..what was for a time (dispensationalism) and what is applicable for our time and all time...in Jesus name
For where the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is there is Liberty. Amen.
"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
Many people (including myself at one time) seem not to take Paul seriously. But One day, God put the fear in my heart to believe Pauls teachings and not to question him. The Structure of the Church must be so. No woman preachers as God instructed.
I'm sure this brother could've answered and two minutes but I think it was wise to speak to the things surrounding this issue and he did and very well.
You know that Paul didn't write 1 Timothy right?
@J yeah he did bud
So with your brilliant argument Jesus disobeyed God by revealing and expecting the woman at the well to spread His Messaiahood and telling Mary Magdelene to spread the news of His resurrection. And Paul disobeyed God when he singles out several women in the NT who spoke and preached. And BTW the way, as "new creatures in Christ", God cares about all these titles over the spreading of tje Gospel... Pastors, Elders, Deacons, Ministers, Clergy, Preachers etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. So much.
@@Bible33AD the issue isnt can women be used of God. Because clearly as we see in scripture they can. The issue is wether or not they should hold an office of authority in the church. That is a no. As that is also clear in the teachings of Paul. Such a command however does not deminish the role of the woman in the church. For it's NOT about VALUE, its about ORDER. Such commands of God, should not be compromised, in order to be or sound more appropriate to modern culture.
As a missionary I am asked to speak often... though I will clarify every time that I am not a preacher. Do I sometimes explain the Greek or Hebrew as I share how God is showing up in the mission field- yep! Though it’s not me being an elder or pastor.
From what I see in the vast denominations where I speak, where there is a woman pastor there are so few men in the congregation.
Without your husband as your "head" you are on your own in regard to being a missionary
Who was a missionary in the Bible?
Being a Missionary is different from being a pastor, it is like evangelizing your sharing God's word. That is entirely different from being a female pastors. Who by that very nature will be usurping the authority of a man as head in the church
It is important to celebrate the many gifts God has given to women and the countless ways they minister in the church. We need to remind ourselves often that a different role says nothing about one’s significance or value. Still, the issue matters, for as churches we must order our practices in accord with the word of God and not our own wisdom. When we deviate from the biblical pattern, there are always consequences. God has given us his instructions for our flourishing and our happiness, and when we follow his instructions we show that we trust him.
Go ye therefore (MEN ONLY), and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them (CHILDREN ONLY) to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
Jesus never said what I put in Bold. Man as in HUMANS: Men and Women set this standard. Holy Spirit, please teach us to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD, to weigh things in the Bible. ...to understsnd what things are said as exceptions and what things are Absolutes. ..what was for a time (dispensationalism) and what is applicable for our time and all time...in Jesus name
For where the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is there is Liberty. Amen.
"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
Go ye therefore MEN ONLY, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them CHILDREN ONLY to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
Jesus never said what I put in Bold. Man as in HUMANS: Men and Women set this standard. Holy Spirit, please teach us to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD, to weigh things in the Bible. ...to understsnd what things are said as exceptions and what things are Absolutes. ..what was for a time (dispensationalism) and what is applicable for our time and all time...in Jesus name
For where the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is there is Liberty. Amen.
"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
Yes, gifts but not preaching, teaching men, or have any authority over them. This is God’s commands. One question… why don’t roman catholic women complain about being priests? Perhaps they believe leadership is given to men.
@@nberrios777 A spirit (holy) filled women understands her calling and is obedient to the word of God. She know she has a bigger ministry to rear, serve and encourage in her circle. Proverb 31 clearly illustrated what is the ministry of women. She plays a big part for a man to stand out. She know it's not preaching or eldership but rather being that helper/encourager and pushing men forward to fullfill their responsibilities.
Yes the Bible talks about having many members and the delicate ones are more cared for!? God is no respector of person, right,!!!???
simple, clear and the most honest and diligent discussion of scripture that I have heard for a long time. Rare qualities indeed that can be summed up in one word: honesty.
Paul of Tarsus is saying Peter the fisherman says something about Jesus' teaching and a woman speaks the Old Testament Scripture to prove that it is Jesus speaking with power beyond, yet from, the Torah. Sort of like how Jesus states fulfillment or Jesus states beyond action is thought is the same sin to Yahweh. The Jewish woman is from memory quoting the Old Testament to state how Jesus is using the Scriptures to clarify and extend the power of God in our lives and thus revealing Peter is right to state what he is stating.
Paul of Tarsus is saying that he is a rabbi and doesn't need a woman to clarify things for the crowd or congregation as that would be an insult to him. Paul can give Christian doctrine and prove the point by using Old Testament Scripture whenever he wants. Its' all already in his head to prove his own point or sermon as correct.
We are not to sit there and figure out how to tell women they have no power or value in the church. The Pentateuch gives more written rights to women than all other documents prior to 1930 A.D. excluding the Pentateuch. This honoring of women through written rights was only surpassed because Jewish women in Christian lands felt free enough to make more changes for women.
Proverbs 31 reveals women have power to do good and act in our world. So could women support the ignorant Peter the fisherman? You better believe it cause they did. Can women ask questions and learn and give the Gospel of Good News and train up new believers in "THE WAY" that they should go? You better believe it cause they did. But a few rules needed to be laid down. Men in authority could tell women to stop interrupting sermons so that preaching can be accomplished and the women should refrain from interrupting the sermons and merely ask questions after the sermon to their husbands first and then other men, like the pastor if they still have questions. In like manner, leaders and preachers in the church had authority to stop women from interrupting them with quotes from Old Testament Scriptures as a rabbi doesn't need their idiotic speeches bothering them cause if people like Paul of Tarsus wanted to quote Old Testament Scripture he'd do it, but Peter the fisherman likely had people questioning him and didn't mind the women quoting Old Testament Scriptures so that the crowds would know Peter was right.
Peter still had authority over the woman helping him.
Paul of Tarsus wanted people who were women to be silent as he was a rabbi and certainly did not need their help.
Did you ever see that movie, "End of the Spear" where women went to South America after their husbands were speared like dogs by the natives? Those women would be like Deborah over Israel to any converts they gained in Christianity. Those women would be like husbands over their family to their small Christian church. Yahweh would be proud of those women preaching and teaching with authority. Let's be very clear about this.
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
1 Timothy 2:11-14 (NIV)
This guy doesn't beat around the bush! He gives it straight, I kinda like that, the truth was intended to be spoke.
Amen. I am a 60 yr. old woman and more importantly a believer in the Gospel and our Bridegroom Jesus Christ and God's heart has got to be breaking because of all the division in his body. That being said I formally believe that there is an order that our creator set up and there is His All Knowing reason that He set things up this way. Take it up with Him! God's heart is breaking!!!
No worries, Rebecca, Christ prophesied exactly what we are going through, it's all part of the faithful followers walk to the kingdom.
"Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth?
No, I tell you, but rather division.
52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three.
53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
Luke 12:51-53 (ESV) AMEN!
Rebecca, I agree with you.
Titus 2:1,3-5
[1]But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
[3]The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
[4]That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
[5]To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
@ eddiedoc9 - ‘You are commanded to be Stepford Wives, thus saith the Lord.’
@ Spencer Tracy - If ‘you’ being a man depends upon ‘you’ using the Bible to ‘put women in their place’, then ‘you’ are one of those self-professed ‘Christians’ that push more people away from Jesus than Satan himself does. People (like ‘you’) have used the Bible to hate and disparage others ever since the Bible was put together. And ‘you’...as countless other self-professed ‘Christians’ have shown...can even come up with Bible verses to justify your bigotry. And lets not sugar coat it and say it’s anything other than pure bigotry. Incidentally, In Ephesians 5:21, Paul urges ‘all’ Christians to “SUBMIT TO ONE ANOTHER out of reverence for Christ.” Guys like ‘you’ conveniently and intentionally leave that out when you’re bringing up the ‘male only’ version of ‘submission’.
@ Spencer Tracy - It’s certainly not all equally applicable. My faith doesn’t depend upon Noah and the Ark being true. Nor does it depend upon women being subordinate to men. These things are NOT Essential Beliefs.
@ Spencer Tracy - ‘Holier than thou’ attitude by a modern day Pharisee like you...shocker.
I...unlike you...see what’s in front of me and I don’t pretend it’s something else. When people...like you...use God’s Word to dishonor people made in the image of God, they are on the wrong side of God, as Jesus reminded the Pharisees when they did exactly as you are doing. You’re a modern day Pharisee, just like the ones who placed more importance on their rules and regulations than they did on the Messiah. You ‘use’ God’s word to diminish others that God loves...! Shocker. Some ‘Christians’ beat people over the head with the Bible. People have hated other people with a Bible verse, people have persecuted other people with a Bible verse, people have enslaved other people with a Bible verse, people have bigotry towards other people with a Bible verse, and when somebody confronts them they actually have a verse from the Bible with which they've found a way to disregard and mistreat the people for whom Jesus died using His fathers words...! Give em' a minute and they'll find a Biblical justification for just about any demeaning behavior towards others they want. That's what some 'Christians', like YOU, do. They've taken theology and they've twisted it to empower them to do the very opposite of what God commanded them to do. His command was "Love one another." By THIS, by the way you love, THIS is how everybody's gonna know you're His follower. Not by your theology, not by how you interpret certain Bible verses...the way you love others is gonna be THE thing that communicates more than anything else that you're His follower. And then He said this, "As I have loved you, that's how you're supposed to love one another." Jesus probably doesn't like it when people use His fathers words to diminish others that His Father loves. YOU are the polar opposite of Jesus.
Spencer Tracy Women are not “below” men. Each has their own purpose, for God’s use.
Who agrees woman can’t be a elder in the church?
I agree. Most other Christian guys do too -- LOL -- but they're afraid their wives would kill them if they said so.
I agree 😁.
The scriptures lay out an order given by God.
@One for all I do.
@One for all the spiritual authority does not come over the h/b, it comes over the church. a wife who leads must separate that and yield otherwise to her h/b.
@One for all I'm aware what the bible said and I know there a deeper concept to this. If this is "that simple" then why does Galatians claims male and female don't matter since we are in Christ? Shouldn't the church be focusing on the spirit and not the flesh? What's fascinating is that if women started preaching it would make the word of God sinful since its came from her mouth. Do you understand that? It just doesn't make sense and there are various of reasons... The most common one is if women couldn't preach the word of God then why does the Lord tell us to preach the good news? Unless he was just talking to men and not women lol.
Yes or no are "good answers, but the amount of time he takes to "spell it out" is more than helpful.
Yes. It reveals what he is.
Thank you Al for speaking and defending the Truth, God's Word!
It should not take 13 minutes to answer this question.
It does take 13 minutes when you've written papers all your college life to get that Doctorate.
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Thirteen minutes is not a very long time for this subject because it is such a controversial subject with many verses that some think are contradictory.
@@annamartin3489 the answer is in the fall, it is not a controversy, those who do not accept the answer are the one's who complicate things
@@annamartin3489 Actually, the issue was settled long ago among traditional Christians. The verses are few, and clear. This is an example of the 'Woke' culture, entering the church. Good day.
Amen! God bless you, brother Albert!
Lazy men will step aside for prideful women. Both commit sin.
@@shaundouglas2057 Stupidity is a bias conception. You just proven that by calling an intelligent remark, stupid.
Well Said
@@rbr4115 Good 1
John...you are 100% correct.
That hatred in your heart is poisoning you Shaun
I know there is little to no use in posting a comment here...but for those who are annoyed that his answer is 13 minutes: remember that the scriptures speak a lot about speaking the truth in love. This is an incredibly sensitive issue to many, and a current “hot button” issue. Mohler responds biblically, but also thoroughly, winsomely, and carefully. To all those commenters who want a “quick” answer because that’s what the Bible says...imagine if an unbeliever asked you “am I going to hell?”. Biblically, the answer is short and simple. “Yes, you’re going to hell.” But would it be a compromise of biblical conviction to spend time with that unbeliever, explaining the scriptures and doctrines that inform your position? Of course not. It would be winsome. Helpful. Measured. And it might earn a hearing that will bring them to repentance.
Christians...if our love of the truth comes at the expense of taking time to be thoughtful and considerate of people with differing opinions, then we actually are not biblical at all....we’ve sacrificed relational capital with those we might win, and have not loved well.
Mohler sets the example here of a biblically informed, firm conviction that women should not preach. But he explains it in a way that would engage a skeptic and gain hearers.
If we are more concerned with just stating bald truths because “that’s what the Bible says,” then we don’t actually have any real concern that people understand and accept our position on such matters. Mohler does, which is why he takes time to offer a robust answer.
You couldn’t have said it better. I’m surprised you only got one “thumb up”. Unfortunately I feel that, that is a reflection of where we stand as Christians today. Looking at all the comments, people rather argue and disrespectfully make their point using the Bible as a whip. It’s sad 😞
Very well spoken! Yes about the fall,Men haven’t stepped up.Biblical Authority!
*1Timothy **2:11**-12, ‘Let a woman learn in quietness and be submissive in every respect. For I do not permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness’ {ἡσυχία-hēsuchia - feminine stillness, silence, peaceable, undisturbed}.*
*1Timothy **2:13**-15, ‘For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be SAVED THROUGH CHILDBEARING {τεκνογονία-teknogonia - parentage; that is, by implication maternity - the performance of maternal duties)-IF (ἐάν-ean - provided, a conditional particle) THEY CONTINUE IN FAITH AND LOVE AND HOLINESS, WITH SELF-CONTROL’ {σωφροσύνη-sōphrosunē - soundness of mind, discreet, soberness, sobriety}.*
*Gen.**3:17**, ‘And to Adam He (Lord God) said, “Because you have LISTENED {שָׁמַע-shâma‛ - hearkened, consented, OBEYED, obedient} to the VOICE {קל קוֹל - qôl qôl qôl qôl - call aloud, LOUD CALL, YELL, YELLING} of your wife (deceived 'ishshâh nâshı̂ym woman - 1Timothy **2:13**; Gen.3:4-6) and have EATEN of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ the ground will be under a curse because of you. . .”*
Excellent response; did not melt or back down under pressure.
For those of you looking for the short answer 7:23
Very good Albert Mohler...may GOD bless you brother in your task...
First thought is how does this take 13 minutes? Say "I believe the Bible" quote Corinthians, Timothy and Titus and be done.
samhalemba whenever you have to justify/explain your action then most likely you should not do it. Example, when the Lord told me to go help my neighbor, I did it and no need for justification or explanation of my actions.
samhalemba,
Well said :o)
Noi Jaidee he’s seeking be thorough and pastoral. Good grief #smh
Agreed. With that said he is just coming at it from a Baptist doctrine, historical and justification based position. No doubt though, God's word is clear that men are to be the preachers and elders of the church, not women.
@@jackjones3657 So billions of women can't speak? Wtf?
I like to think of God in three persons. Each of incredible value but with different roles. If God Himself keeps clear distinction between the roles ofFather, son, and Holy Spirit then it follows that he would create roles for us and that we ought to honor the roles we are given by our creator!
I grew up with a mother who didn’t need to but worked full time for the church and then worked full time and went to seminary and then became a pastor. Unfortunately She didn’t have time to be a mom to her three children. My dad who actually supported us tried to be mom and dad but there was no way. You can’t replace the absence of a mother in a child’s life. So especially in my case the honoring of her role as a mother first would have been what I believe God would have wanted.
At least if you have children put them first :)
Apostles, prophets, and teachers are not spiritual gifts but officers given as gifts to the church. Eph 4:11-12, “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets,the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.” In 1 Cor 14, Paul clarifies the issue when he wrote that “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” When Paul wrote, brothers and sisters, he did so in a way to address the whole church but not necessarily to include woman as authority figures because if he did, he would be contradicting himself by also saying that woman cannot teach or have authority over men in 1 Tim 2:12.
There is no "Baptist faith"
There is faith in Jesus for eternal life. Roman's 6:23
Thank you.
The Baptists seem to believe there is only the “Baptist faith”.
This comment thread is silly. There are many different beliefs within Christianity. It is one’s hope that all beliefs are seeking a faith that is strictly biblical.
The distinction, “Baptist faith” refers to a set of beliefs based on a specific biblical hermeneutic associated with Baptist life.
There is only Christian nothing else.
No, women should not preach but may teach other women, especially the young women. Word of God says so, debate over. Shalom
Cherie C no it’s not.
They cannot teach other women or children in the church only in their own homes.
God says anyone who ignores it they themselves will be ignored.
I went to a Baptist church one night last year, and a woman got up to preach, so I left. Changing to suit the culture and dismissing clear Biblical perimeters screams, "I don't trust you, God! You don't know humans as well as I do! I'm kinder than you!"
Yes. Thank you Lord for your love letter to us. God gave men and women specific roles in the Church and home. Thank you Lord that we have your Truths and don't have to be tossed to and fro by every false doctrine.
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no. This isn't what Jesus taught. You take what Paul wrote to a certain church, in a cultural context, majorly out of context.
mary and martha preached in the new testament, women are leaders too
@@philnaegely What is your meaning of the term "preach" I wonder
Paul did not say he forbad a woman to have Authourity over A man.
He said “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man…”
Note he said “the man” and not just “a man”.
1 Tim. 2:9-15 generally deals with a marital setting (the Adam and Eve analogy, along with the bearing children analogy - the child bearing qnalogy though universal to women is practically relative to the married woman) and this is very similar to apostle Peter’s admonition in 1 Pet. 3:1-9.
Creation embraces the martial relationship and not church fellowship.
It is not dealing with a church assembly worship.
The fact that Acts 18:24-28 strongly highlights the role of Priscilla alongside her husband in expounding and properly explaining (two clear features of teaching) the word to Apollos shows that 1 Tim. 2:9-15 could not not forbidding women from teaching the word in a church setting.
There is clearly no difference between men and women IN-CHRIST (Gal. 3:28) except in a marital setting.
Any woman trying to adopt teaching as a means of correcting her husband would not succeed.
As you connect 1 Tim. 2:9-15 and 1 Pet. 3:1-9, the strength of the marital setting becomes much clearer.
This is the very essence of rooting this whole discourse in creation. That creation rooting or analogy embraces marriage between a man and a woman.
There was nothing like church in Genesis 1-3.
Hence, the passage in more in keeping with admonishing women on how to relate with their husbands and not necessarily how to operate in a “church” setting.
Just become something has “not been controversial” or has been “a settled conviction” doesn’t mean it’s right.
The word of God, aka scriptures, was written for a fallen world to comply with, not the other way around. God is the ultimate wisdom and his word is not to be changed, added to or taken away to fit or appease a changing fallen culture.
Amen to that!!!
This isn't just a Baptist issue. Presbyterians and Dutch Reformed tackle this as well.
The question remains, "Is receiving biblical instruction from a women equivalent to sitting under her authority." During Sunday morning worship, yes. Any other time is up for debate.
And for churches taking the maximal position it should result in many more qualified men volunteering to teach children then what we see. I think this is an important tell when deciphering how much of this is about biblical authority and how much of it is about power.
I was lead to Christ by a woman -- and nearly all my early instruction came from her until I enrolled in Bible school. She was a wonderful teacher. And she never infringed where God did not intend for her to be ...remarkable restraint shown by a considerably brainy woman!
You should read the scripture again. 1 Timothy 2:12
@@TheAvenstar Is teaching children infringing where she shouldn't be though. If your a maximal complementarian it seems the answer should be yes.
@@wesholmes9012 I cannot answer that. I am not a legalist. I wholly agree that men should volunteer more often to teach, and that women stay out of the pulpit -- and remain silent when the church comes together.
@@TheAvenstar Silent as in no singing in the choir or scripture reading? Or silent as in not teaching?
Paul said I do not suffer a woman to usurp authority over a man. A pastor has authority over the church that God has given him.
Why is this a contentious issue? It is simply because "there is no fear of God before their eyes" (Rom.3:18) There is a word for people who flatly refuse to obey such a clear command of God, and that word is unregenerate (Titus 1:16, I Jn.5:3)
#Solid #TheologyMatters #DoctrineMatters #HermeneuticsMatters
This man is very smart and I like his views. I am a woman and will not join a church that has a woman pastor. They can be Sunday school teachers and have special places in the Church but not as pastors. My Bible and my faith first tells me so.
Paul did not say he forbad a woman to have Authourity over A man.
He said “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man…”
Note he said “the man” and not just “a man”.
1 Tim. 2:9-15 generally deals with a marital setting (the Adam and Eve analogy, along with the bearing children analogy - the child bearing qnalogy though universal to women is practically relative to the married woman) and this is very similar to apostle Peter’s admonition in 1 Pet. 3:1-9.
Creation embraces the martial relationship and not church fellowship.
It is not dealing with a church assembly worship.
The fact that Acts 18:24-28 strongly highlights the role of Priscilla alongside her husband in expounding and properly explaining (two clear features of teaching) the word to Apollos shows that 1 Tim. 2:9-15 could not not forbidding women from teaching the word in a church setting.
There is clearly no difference between men and women IN-CHRIST (Gal. 3:28) except in a marital setting.
Any woman trying to adopt teaching as a means of correcting her husband would not succeed.
As you connect 1 Tim. 2:9-15 and 1 Pet. 3:1-9, the strength of the marital setting becomes much clearer.
This is the very essence of rooting this whole discourse in creation. That creation rooting or analogy embraces marriage between a man and a woman.
There was nothing like church in Genesis 1-3.
Hence, the passage in more in keeping with admonishing women on how to relate with their husbands and not necessarily how to operate in a “church” setting.
** It’s important to understand cultural context and the surrounding passages surrounding 1 Cor. 14. It’s important to note in that in 11 chapter Paul is giving instruction regarding public worship in light of prophecy and giving instructions to the women and men. In Chapter 12, he goes on to address the spiritual gifts also addressing the men and women. The gifts are listed including apostles, prophets, and teachers, etc… and he points out that we do not all have all the gifts but to eagerly desire the most helpful gifts and he expounds upon using the gift of prophecy. (Which is the gift of speaking, preaching and expounding scriptures under Holy Spirit influence). When you get the end of chapter 14 Paul is addressing orderly worship and dealing with interruptions during meetings. Note that he says when speaking in tongues to be silent in church meetings. Then he says to stop interrupting prophecy when others are speaking. Then he directs married women to ask questions to their husbands at home. The passage concludes with “brothers and sisters, be eager to prophecy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues. But be sure that everything is done properly and in order” 1Cor 14:39
Apostles, prophets, and teachers are not spiritual gifts but officers given as gifts to the church. Eph 4:11-12, “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets,the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.” In 1 Cor 14, Paul clarifies the issue when he wrote that “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.” When Paul wrote, brothers and sisters, he did so in a way to address the whole church but not necessarily to include woman as authority figures because if he did, he would be contradicting himself by also saying that woman cannot have authority over men in 1 Tim 2:12. Hope this helps.
I have been received the sign God's calling more than ten years, and I was doubted of God's calling for several years, but then I got the strong spiritual warfare challenging for the latest 8 years. Therefore, I just step forward with God's calling. No more doubt, it is done.
John MacArthur does an excellent job explaining the issue biblically in his last sermon. The answer is simple. No, they cannot preach or be pastors. No fluff or dancing around the subject. Stick to what the Bible says not what man says.
Agree!
I am clear when I comes to the church gathered. But I am worried when he says women can teach men in the seminary. Is he saying that that a woman can teach a man to become a pastor. I have issues with this.
@@robertanthonyross Why?
Because the context was routed back to creation
1. The women was deceived
2. The Man was made first
Thus this universal context does not allow a woman to have authority nor teach a man in any Christian context. While Paul began by addressing the church context he went back to the law to show it was clearly laid out in a universal application.
@@robertanthonyross lets have a conversation over those two reasons the first argument is that the woman was decieved first and thus sin came through or because of a women but the solution of sin (Our Lord Jesus) came through a woman also God says in Genesis to the women ''Your offspring shall crush the head of the serpent'' he is speaking to the woman after she was deceived by the serpent, that clearly indicates that God would put women or use them rather as a mechenism for the erradication of sin. Two you say a women comes from a man but a man is born through a woman adam was the only man not born of a women. So come lets reason together
As a 'retired' female Baptist pastor (in the UK), I find these misogynist arguments very hurtful, misused as they are, to suppress the calling and gifts of women.
Under the old covenant, there were female prophets such as Miriam, Deborah and Huldah. (Exod.15:20; Jud.4:4-5; 2 Kings 22:1 - 23:3). Deborah was not merely a prophet, she was also a judge, that is, she interpreted and applied the Law/Torah when settling legal disputes, which obviously must have involved exercising authority over men. When King Josiah needed to consult a prophet, he had no problem accepting the word of the Lord from Huldah, even though there were male prophets in Jerusalem at the time. A new and 'better covenant' (Heb.7:22) would not lower the status, or restrict the ministry of women! On the contrary, the Holy Spirit's anointing is for all ages, all social classes and both genders (Acts 2:17-18). The gift of prophecy is said to be given to women as well as men, not one but twice! Prophecy is the public, authoritative declaration of the word of the Lord! Paul expected women to prophesy (1 Cor.11:5), and they did. (Acts 21:9)
Romans 12:4-8 lists various gifts, including prophesying, teaching and leadership, which Paul encourages those who possess them to use. Neither the word 'man' nor any male pronouns are in the original Greek! There is no suggestion that some gifts are only for men. Both men and women should use whatever gifts they have! Priscilla taught Apollos, a man! (Acts 18:24-26). Paul tells Timothy to ‘treat older women as mothers’ (1 Tim.5:1-2). Timothy was taught the Scriptures by his mother and grandmother (2 Tim.1:5; 3:14-15), which means that younger men, even those in positions of leadership like Timothy, should be willing to learn from the knowledge and experience of older women. The Greek word translated ‘older women’ is simply the feminine form of ‘elders’, so like it or not, the early church clearly had female elders!
1 Cor.14:34-36 is part of a section, which starts at 12:1, in which Paul addresses questions raised by the Corinthians about the use spiritual gifts (see also 7:1, 8:1, 16:1). He may be quoting something said by the Corinthians, and correcting their misunderstanding. After all, the law says nothing about women having to be silent, and anyway, Paul made it clear that we are no longer in bondage to the law. He can't possibly have meant that women must be totally silent, because he obviously expected them to participate verbally in church gatherings, by praying and prophesying, and he wouldn't contradict himself!
1 Timothy 2:8-15. Paul does NOT say, "I forbid a woman to have authority over a man"! That is a complete mistranslation of the passage. Some pertinent questions:
- If Paul simply wanted to say that women should not have authority over men, why does he use the very unusual word 'authentein', instead of the normal word for authority, 'exousia', used throughout the rest of the N.T.? What does 'authentein' really mean?
- Why should Adam being created before Eve mean women may not lead or teach? Humans were created last, yet were given joint, equal authority over the rest of creation (Gen.1:26-28). If the order in which they were created is the deciding factor, then woman should have authority over man!
- Why should a deliberate rebel (Adam), who sinned knowingly, be more fitted to lead and teach than someone who was deceived?
- What does verse 15 mean? That godly women will not die in childbirth? But they sometimes do! That having babies is the way for women to receive eternal salvation? Clearly nonsense! This verse is notoriously difficult to translate. The Greek literally reads: But ‘she (singular) will be saved (or restored) through the birth of the child, if they (plural) continue in faith etc.’
It is vital to understand the background to this letter. Paul was writing to Timothy in Ephesus which was the centre of the cult of the goddess Artemis (Diana), the goddess of hunting, but also seen as the great mother-goddess, the source of life. False teaching was infecting the church: myths, anti-marriage ideas and an obsession with genealogies. (1:4-7; 4:1-3; Tit.3:9). Paul had left Timothy there to deal with the false teachers (1:3-7). One popular heresy was that Eve was created before Adam, and that she gave life to his lifeless body. Also that she, by eating the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, received enlightenment from the serpent, which she then passed on to Adam. Naturally, this idea was attractive to women, and tended to be taught and spread by them. (The word 'men' in 1:3 should be 'people'.)
Now, the word 'authentein' has the connotation of originating or being the source of something (compare the word 'authentic'). The Greek in v.12 is the genitive ‘OF man’ NOT ‘over man’. Hence, what Paul seems to be saying is:
“[At this time] a woman should learn in quietness and full submission.” (Until they know what they are talking about.) “I do not permit a woman to teach that SHE IS THE ORIGINATOR (or source) OF MAN. She must be silent [on this issue],” (because it isn’t true and it is women who are teaching it!) “For [the truth is] Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived [with Eve bringing him enlightenment]; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner [not a saviour!] But she [womankind, of whom Eve is the representative head] will be restored [to her original status of equality and/or position of honour] through the birth of the child”, (i.e. a specific child, the Messiah, the promised seed of the woman, brought into the world by a woman, Gen. 3:15; Gal.4:4; Luke 1:28, 45), “if they continue in faith, love etc.”
Understood this way, we see that Paul is correcting a heresy, which he often did in his letters, not giving a totally illogical reason why women may not lead or teach in church gatherings where men are present!
A pastor said this: “People always focus on what women can’t do, and not on what the many things they can do. Women can do many things that other men who aren’t elders can do.”
1 Corinthians14:4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the(( one who prophesies edifies the church.))
1 Corinthians14;39 Therefore, my brothers and ((sisters, be eager to prophesy)), and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
Acts 8:3 Church are the people
Matthew21:13 A place of worship is called a house of prayer....((Synagogues))
John1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
We received Jesus Christ and He gave us the right to become children of God....
In house of God,, we are called brothers and sisters....
In 1 Corinthians14;39, allows daughters of God to be eager to prophesy.....
And 1 Corinthians14:4 it says the one who prophesies edifies the church.......
Kavuma Martin Sure, but most doesn’t apply to this; it’s out of context. They’re talking about a position of authority. Women cannot be Pastora or elders. Your issue is with Scripture.
@@frankpichardo5299
Matthew20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
Ephesians 4;11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
Kavuma Martin Context. 1 Timothy speaks if the qualifications for overseer, elder or pastor. That’s the context.
That's what leads women to usurp God's authority instead of submitting to His design.
Over all, this matter is not based on “religious affiliations “ but Sola Scriptura. Not the opinions of human kind; assuming one believes that the Word of God, Truth, is of its author, The Triune and Sovereign God of all that is seen and unseen.
Respectfully yours
That's not what sola scriptura means.
I think your personal thoughts on manhood or lack of it are on the mark. I agree with your interpretation on the pastor and elders. My further questions are. On the Lords day, can a women get behind the pulpit to share their testimony? Can a women be a minister of Youth or Music? Most SBC churches utilize deacons as opposed to elders (I’d love to here u speak on this) so can a women be a deacon? I would love to know your answer to this as I really respect your opinions! Thanks
Deacons must be the HUSBAND of one wife. Deacons are given a degree of authority over the entire church. Paul clearly said a woman cannot hold authority over a man.
Absolutely not. Women should keep mostly silent, as noted by Paul.
Paul was an incel
My opinion is that women should NOT be 'lead' pastors. They should not be in charge of congregations. I do think it is okay for women to be associate pastors because there are many women who feel more comfortable bringing their concerns to women as opposed to men. In the Word, women were judges, prophets, and teachers.
1 Corinthians 14:34-38,40
[34]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
[35]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
[36]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
[37]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
[38]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
[40]Let all things be done decently and in order.
Eddi, For the women who have no husband whom to ask?
@@dr.k.t.varughese3151 the male pastor if he's a true man of God & not luke warm.
@@BibleTruthPodcast Let me tell you there is no true man of God, why, i tell you. If there is one such man, he would have been almost equivalent to Jesus and all of us would have accepted him as our shepard.
@@dr.k.t.varughese3151 just because she has no husband at home, doesn't give her the right to get behind the pulpit! 1 Timothy ch 2 & 3 cleanly lays it out. I'm not gonna bend my faith to please popularity. I'm a KJV bible believing Baptist. (IFB). The bible says I suffer a woman NOT TO TEACH! you dont need a concordance or go back to the Greek. I'm not a luke warm Christian. If you are, then woe unto you. Revelation 3:15-16
[15]I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. -- Ezekiel 2:5
[5]And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them.
He just said they could pray or read scripture, but "keep silent" means keep silent. That sounds like they shouldn't read, pray, or sing. Do you believe that or is it just preaching/teaching?
Why a 13 minute video to answer this question? It takes 2 seconds to say NO.
Excellent point. Which is why preachers of men are worthless, idle babblers, and people need to stop being lazy and read from the preachers who were appointed by God to preach.
Answer: 1Timothy 2:12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
Explanation: 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
@ Jack - What a crock...! They BOTH ate the fruit...! And the first thing Adam did after God called him out was to ‘blame’ someone else for ‘his’ actions. “THE WOMAN ‘you’ put here with me-‘she’ gave me some fruit from the tree, and ‘I’ ate it.” Blame is a way to shift responsibility away from the person...in this case, Adam...who’s actually responsible for what ‘he’ did.
@@antlers163
Well, yes, you are right in that they both ate the fruit. But it's not about blaming anyone because they both were punished as you may recall. The issue Paul is making is in regard to the order of nature in that Adam was created first and he was not deceived (maybe satan could not get to him? who knows) but satan used Eve to get to Adam as he approached her and not him. Yes, you are right again in that Adam blamed God for giving the woman to him and Eve for giving him to eat but remember that he didn't get away with it, so it's not a blame issue.
When Christians were gathering in those days the Holy Spirit was among them for the purpose of teaching and edifying as we read how some prophesied, etc, so there was a high level of reverence towards God in the presence of the Holy Spirit as you may notice other writings where Paul expressed his opinion about women wearing a veil while praying and prophesying.
The problem, since the Catholics, is that religious organizations today operate under the teachings and appointing of men, not the Holy Spirit, so with many different teachings about their own interpretations, many people don't understand that we today are not to "organize" groups of people, creating churches, and making rules like not permitting women from preaching. People don't focus on the apostles doctrine but on idle babblers. We today are supposed to simply follow the letters the apostles wrote (Inspired by the Holy Spirit) in terms of living holy and breaking bread on Sundays as the tradition set to remember Jesus' sacrifice. Individuals can do that without "being in a church"
The point that I was making before was that preachers today are full of nonsense and not worth listening to. I don't see anything wrong with a woman explaining to a man about the bible but to be a preacher in an organized religion made by men is already in contradiction in the first place. And that is why organized religion is so divided and confusing.
@ Jack - Adam “was not deceived”...? He clearly was, he was deceived by the woman instead of by the serpent. And instead of taking responsibility for ‘his’ actions, he blamed God ‘and’ the woman (as you said).
There’s some questionable things in some of the New Testament letters. Some New Testament letters forcefully instruct slaves to obey their masters. Philemon even owned a slave (Onesimus)...!
Point being...there are some Godly women out there, and some of them are very good preachers of the Gospel. And many people have become followers of Jesus because of their preaching. And many followers of Jesus are edified by their preaching.
So I question some New Testament letters on the issue of slavery just as I question them on the issue of women preachers.
@@antlers163
Ok... Eve did not use cunning words, as satan, to convince Adam to eat. That is how the word "deceived" is described. It simply says that she gave him of the fruit to eat, which is why he also was guilty, after she heard the words of satan and saw that the fruit was good to eat, .
If you cannot understand that, I don't know what else to say.
Simple answer. Bible says no women preachers in church.
You do know that Paul didn't write 1 Timothy right?
There is NO place in the bible that says "no women preachers" There are, however" many many ignorant "Christians"
@Dan Sutton Nice try. I have to answer you later today. I'm quite busy right now.
@Dan Sutton So you said. "1 Corinthians 14: 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant"
It's sad how "Christians" will take a single verse, out of context, and build an entire doctrine out of it. This is part of what I meant by reading the Word intellectually instead of following the lead of the Holy Spirit.
This Churchianity doctrine about women keeping silent is simply doctrines of demons (Or doctrines taught by demons)
If one reads the the verses above and takes that as the entire work, he takes it out of context, bit time.
Back up to chapter 12 at least, then read from there, and you'll find that Paul was answering questions. Sometimes he repeated the question verbatim, and it comes out as a question. Other times he repeats the question which comes out more as a statement. Chapter 14:34 is a case in point. It was a common practice in Jewish culture was to send questions to rabbis on how to live to please God. The rabbi would answer with in responsa. Paul sends a responsa to the Church in answer to the question, “Should women be allowed to preach?”
So..the question was Question: Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn
something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church (1 Corinthians 14:34-35, NKJV).
Answer: Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant (1 Corinthians 14:36-38, NKJV)
It does not say in the Old Testament that women are to keep silent. By stopping women from preaching, Satan planned to silence half of the Church, and the church, in general, is complicit in that action, simply by accepting it.
Additional scriptures: John 8:32; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Leviticus 17:11-14; 2 Timothy 2:15; 1 Corinthians 7:1-3, 8:1, 9:1-14, 12:12, 14:34-38; 2 Kings 22:14; Acts 18:24-26; Matthew 18:20; Proverbs 4:20-23; Luke 7:7
Does God change? Does He have different standards today than He did in the Old Covenant? NO The Word says He is the same yesterday, today, and forever So then, if women are to remain silent, where does the law say so? Why do we see several well known women teaching, judging and so on?
Here are a few of the women in the Old Testament who spoke in obedience to God:
Tamar-kept the line of Judah, the promised lineage of the Messiah, from ending
(Genesis 38:6-29).
Deborah-judged the country of Israel and caused them to defeat the Syrian enemy
(Judges 4:4-5:12).
Jael-killed the commander of the enemy army (Judges 4:9, 17-22).
Hannah-prayed and prophesied of the coming Messiah (1 Samuel 1:10-2:11).
Esther-kept the Jewish nation from extinction (Esther 4:14, 7:1-6, 8:4-9:17).
Ruth as directed by Naomi-continued the lineage of the Messiah with Boaz
(Ruth 4:13-22)
1 Thessalonians 5:23; Genesis 3:15, 49:1, 8-12; Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:31; Psalm 68:11; Romans 12:2; 1 John 4:8; 1 Corinthians 13:8; Romans 5:5; Deuteronomy 28:1-14
Well, this is getting kind of long, so I'll leave it here. You gave me a verse and I gave you an whole case of verses...God's Word is true. The churches in general love to teach doctrines taught by demons...so who will you believe...God's Word or demonic doctrines? You choose and you will live or die by your choice.
@Dan Sutton To answer both of your two last posts....Since you choose to believe your Churchianity doctrines over Word...I'm done talking to you. We have no basis for discussion.
1Cor. 11 & 14, 1 Tim. 2, Titus not to mention throughout the Old Testament the roles God has arranged for men and women are distinct and equal. Anything otherwise is defiance and does have consequences, sadly church discipline is rare today. Great answer here.
Really?Both men and Women were/are Prophets
At what point will the SBC start kicking churches out if they don't stand by this? What is the point of being in the SBC if you don't have to hold to any confession or belief statement? From Rick Warren and Furtick on one end of the spectrum to solid guys like Mohler.
The seeker sensitive model has hit churches hard...sad!
My question: since/now that I understand and clearly accept Complimentarianism and the value of God's order for men and women, how do I respond and carry that belief in my heart when my Pastor allows women to preach the Gospel?
I sense a negativity towards women preaching and I'm trying to get to the bottom of it.
Interestingly enough, what he says @10:45 is very true.
"If men don't have to do it, women will. There is something about men that they will not lead unless the have to."
Find another church, duh.
@@angelotillas9782 that’s is not the correct or the spiritual answer to his question. It’s a deep issue. You sound like an immature Christian, that is, if you are a Christian.
I had the same issue. I prayed about it, a lot. Leaving a church is a serious matter. They become your family but ultimately, we need to do what God wants us to do.
@@godallowsuturns679 Sorry, God's word is clear on women not usurping the chain of authority in His Church. His Church, not yours. Women in the pulpit is an example of the widespread compromise in America today. You can spin it any way you want, but God has called men to lead, in the church, and in the home. It's simple, unless you are a offended by God's position.
Can anyone here give me book, chapter and verse were it says women should not preach the gospel.
Those who have ears will hear.
Acts 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Ruth 4:11
Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge
To prophesize, is to teach, where do you teach God's word?
And for a marriage to work your correct about a woman to be obedient to a man of God, as long as he loves her like God loves the church.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge
It has ALL to do with the subject,
when two or more gather in God's name, he is present and you are to
be silent and let the other speak.
Includes men,women and children,
Ruth had more manhood than the men at the time, and she led Israel.
She didn't speak?
God uses whomever he chooses to get his point across.
Why running in circles...yes or no!!!
yehhh wimen shd preach! why the hell not?
@@cc-cy what does the Bible say? You can keep your opinion.
I'm a member and current deacon at a Southern Baptist church. We adhere to the Biblical distinction that only men can serve as pastor and deacons. We have women Sunday school teachers and women in various "leadership" roles such as treasurer.
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me.
At the end of Romans, Paul mentions about 24 people.
Phoebe is the first to be mentioned.
Translation is NIV, and is also correct, regarding the word 'deacon'.
Strongs Number: G1249
Please try and understand that he is taking his time explaining this, because it can be a touchy subject. Everyone is offended nowadays and he’s clearly not trying to cause an uproar or division.
Big Daddy the gospel is a message of offense,it’s designed to offend,offend and separate
He is not beating around the bush at all. He is giving a clear explanation here, with reference to scripture passages in context. He is right about seeing the order set up by God. Will we allow current culture to dictate our beliefs, or will we stand firm on the foundations God set in place? I would rather put my trust in the creator of all. Humans are fickle and human ideas change like shifting sand. There is nothing new under the sun. Eve listened to the serpent and look where it took both her and Adam. This is just a new attempt at subverting God’s authority and supplanting it with human authority. When we truly treasure our inheritance in Christ, we will be humbled and be more than willing to yield our wills to God’s authority structure and His sovereignty over all things, even our roles in sharing His word.
The holy apostle paul answered this question! Women need to learn their purpose and live according to the will of God, men have to realize they need to stop trying to twist scriptures to keep women happy! Obey God first men! Be the priest and officer of your own home! Read 1corinthians 11:3-5 & 1 peter 3:1
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The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
1 Timothy 2:11 Let G3129 the woman G1135 learn G3129 in G1722 silence G2271 with G1722 all G3956 subjection G5292.
12 But G1161 I suffer G2010 not G3756 a woman G1135 to teach G1321, nor G3761 to usurp authority G831 over the man G435, but G235 to be G1511 in G1722 silence G2271.
13 For G1063 Adam G76 was G4111 first G4413 formed G4111, then G1534 Eve G2096.
14 And G2532 Adam G76 was G538 not G3756 deceived G538, but G1161 the woman G1135 being deceived G538 was G1096 in G1722 the transgression G3847
So does this mean women must be silent in church or do you conveniently overlook that little detail?
It's " the husband of one wife, not the wife of one husband " as stated in I Timothy and Titus. If God gave women permission to pastor churches, I'd be good with it. There is an alternative, they can join the Wesleyan and Methodist denominations
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Bible is very simple women have many rolls only don’t step out of boundaries. Order in the body of God Jesus etc....
To me, a firm believer in the men as Elders position, the bigger question is how do we respond and treat those believers who have followed the cultural trend without further splitting the church and showing a failure to love one another?
If someone accepts Jesus Christ and go to the Church, the culture will have to change. The Bible will not be translated in a way that is will be appropriate to a certain culture.
Wonder how long it would take to answer if divorced men can be deacons/elders?
We can't change the Holy words of God. Women preaching in the House of God was done by the weakness of men that wasn't Called by the Spirit of God.
Dr. Mohler, just speak the truth from the Bible without all the talking. It’s exhausting. John MacArthur is so good about that.
I think it’s okay to spend 13 minutes to flesh out the reasons and logic.
@@Themoomabides I used to want the answer short and sweet served to me so I didn't have to look or study for myself. You don't find or discuss what truth is that way. It's lazy lol. 13 minutes is NOTHING compared to a full on bible study with a group of people. Good explanation Paul
Is it only Baptist churches that agree with your perspective? I have been looking for a new church home and this is one of the things I want to keep in mind.
Biblical churches do… not just baptists. Many baptists allow women speakers too.
There are many churches that have accepted the cultural norm of society… that have adopted ‘feminist views’….
I can’t exactly help you in any other way but to encourage you to keep seeking, praying and asking for a biblical body to connect to.
It’s really hard, especially now these days… have you had any success to finding one yet?
@@eliey473 I have found a church that I feel God wants me at. It is a Mennonite Brethren Church. It no longer holds to the view you have presented but is definitely a Bible believing Church. Once again I am excited about bringing others to church. I have met many mature Christians in my short stay. No church is perfect and if it was I have changed that by attending. May God bless and keep you.
Well said sir. God bless you. 🙏
Hi. I'm in a church that has a male pastor. It has been like this for 200 years. Our church has a program on Sundays and our service consists of two parts. The first half is an all age message which is mostly very simple and easy message that small children can understand too after this we have the pastor preaching. The all age message is presented by any member who wants to do it and this is men, woman, and teenagers. Should or shouldn't this be allowed?
Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.” So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
-excerpt Genesis 1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created.
-excerpt Genesis 5
It's not a simple "Yes" or "no" Q&A.
Thank you, Dr. Al Mohler for taking time to answer profoundly.
Yes, it’s a simple “no”.
Aaaaah its a NO
The fall is very interesting as it exposes the two key flaws in the male and female nature. It's important to note that these flaws were exposed BEFORE they had fallen. No doubt satan observed them and figured out where they were most exposed, what flaws he could exploit.
The woman will seek to gain power and authority. Some people think that Paul is giving women an excuse by saying she was deceived. She was deceived, which is why Paul is saying they can't teach and exercise authority over men, but she was not tricked. Tricking her would have been if Satan had wrapped the fruit in an orange peel and tricked her into eating it. No, she was deceived only in that she thought eating it would make her equal to God. She wasn't satisfied with being the helpmate to the pinnacle of creation.
So note, the woman's weakness is wanting to usurp authority.
Man's flaw isn't that he won't step up, it's that he is inclined to put the woman in the place of God. God didn't say, "Adam, because you didn't step up and protect your wife and fulfill your role as protector..." No God said, "BECAUSE you have listened to your wife and ate from the tree I commanded you saying 'you shall not eat of it'..."
This is man's weakness. In his desperation to please the woman he's willing to directly disobey God's commands.
Throughout history, when a civilization develops to the point where women don't need strong men to survive, they inevitably try to seize power. This happened in Roman times and it happened in the United States in the 20th century and went into hyperdrive in the 60's with 3rd wave feminism. Radical feminists DEMANDED we all ignore reality and accept their absurd demands to turn everything on it's head and men acquiesced, just to please women, and now our society is hopelessly broken!
Feminism was the trojan horse to get Marxism into the United States, to break up the family home and put children in the care of the state and out of the care of their own family. They actually convinced women that taking care of their own home, their children and their husband, was bondage and slavery, BUT working as a cog in a corporate machine (while STILL having to handle household chores and tasks associated with living, like cooking and cleaning) THAT was true freedom.
Once again, grossly deceived by the enemy.
Yes or no answer. The scripture says NO. If GOD said that settled.
Paul specifically said "I don't" , not God don't. Is Paul God now? Think about it.
@@matth2868 If Paul had said anything wrong..i do believe God would have said something to Him.Jesus recognized Paul as a Leader and told him what to do.
@@morgangrey4020 I'm not saying he said anything wrong but Paul said I don't verses other scriptures that imply God's words by excluding "I"? There's more to it than face value. Read the Greek and translate it yourself. You may be enlightened.
@@matth2868 Only the Bible in Hebrew has the closest true translation of God;s word that i know of....the King James Version was directly translated from that......i have the ryrie study Bible ....Being a Christian is not an easy path to take....and it takes far more than many want to give..so they think around it and say well we can compromise....when God has Never compromised on the written word...There are dire warning for those who do....the Last few verses of Revelation tells us of the Wrath that God would place upon these people........I'd rather be hated as a Christian,than loved by the world.....follow your heart and read the bible and He will show you the way.
@@morgangrey4020 I am but I'm trying to say to you that the New Testament in particular was written in Greek. Old testament was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. It's important we look at what the original translates to on questionable verses like 1 Tim 2:12. There's a Greek word in there used only in that verse that implies something contrary to how it's commonly interpreted. Do some digging. Really. It's pretty cool to see the implications.
Does the Bible forbid women from speaking in the presence of men in the gathered Church in all situations and all circumstances in every context? If a woman prays, gives a testimony, puts in a prayer request, says Amen, lifts a praise or a Hallelujah in the presence of men is that usurping authority of men? If she is taught that she is forbidden from doing this and assents won’t she be disobeying the order to “quench not the Spirit.”
Where are the biblical guidelines for the president of the sbc or seminaries?
Only in the church or at home a woman can't be either the pastor or the head.
I am as southern baptist pastor. My wife stands up and reads a scripture and gives a few words of encouragement before I preach. Some would say she should be quiet, but God has used it tremendously in our church.
Yes I believe so to,
We are all members of the body of Christ and Christ is the head of his church,at least he is in his true church!!!
Reading this, especially the comments, confirms that this is mostly about authority/power. Having spend several years in the ministry of Bible translation I came to realize the impact of culture on translation and commentary. When most translators and commentators are old white men from a patriarchal culture, it is no surprise that the theological outcome reflects that culture.
Mark thank you! Yes I completely agree and couldn’t have said it better myself. I try to instruct students that the cultural norms often dictate how Scripture is interpreted. The issue Paul was facing in Timothy for example (women spreading false teaching because they were deceived by the cult of Artimus) called for instructions that limited women teaching because they were spreading false teaching. If however a woman is preaching the gospel or teaching the Bible to a group in the church setting that is a wonderful thing!! By limiting men to preach in a church setting you are putting limits on God when the issue is not primarily about power and authority of men but on the integrity of the Word.
I guess we should just ignore the fact that all of the Bible was written by men who God inspired to record His word. Also ignore the straightforwardness of the several passages referred to in the video (1 Corinthians 14, Titus 2, 1 Timothy 2...). I'm sure it's all patriarchy.
Your approach to scripture would mean there's been a conspiracy from the beginning of the church to change the whole Bible, and no one can know what it actually says unless they go back to the original language. No translators can be trusted. Maybe you should translate it into the "New Equitable Woke Version". I would suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror and consider the possibility of popular sentiments of the day leading you to heresy.
@@sethcook30 You are correct in that it was men that wrote down scripture, inspired by the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, our current male translators and commentators do not benefit from the same inspiration. They are, however, the product of thousands of years of western culture that is very difficult to put aside.
That culture has impacted our theology over the years. Slavery, segregation, inequality for women and more that all have been introduced by culture and supported by “clear” understandings of scripture. Just 25 yrs ago, our kids were taught at summer camp that scripture clearly taught against interracial dating and marriage. In Bible college, even hair length and clothing choices were regulated by “clear” biblical support.
Unfortunately, “popular sentiments of the day have led to heresy.” Culture has always impacted theology.
@@marksweeting24 Certainly culture impacted "Christian" teaching in the past. I'm saying it's doing the same thing today, which is causing people to think scripture has been lost in translation - whether on purpose or by accident - and liberal reforms of the church are sorely needed. This fundamental lie gets people to follow any idea that can be categorized as "nice" or "inclusive". See abortion, gay "marriage", women "pastors", transgenderism, etc...
If your theory is correct, then why is there not an explicit passage in scripture endorsing slavery? Or why not have one specifically disparaging blacks in some manner? Maybe add a verse about the moral issues of interracial marriage? Was it your actual kids that experienced this 25 years ago (LDS I'd guess if so, but regardless an interesting anecdote)?
What we must do as Christians is thoughtfully work through the scriptures and recognize the studious work of past generations to accurately pass down scripture. The Dead Sea Scrolls were a terrific vindication of Old Testament translation and accuracy.
Once the Bible is accepted as true and inerrant, as it is, then a clear understanding of scripture is possible. Inarguably, the Bible supports a complimentary view of men and women. It is not demeaning to women to recognize that they are not meant for leadership, just as it is not demeaning to men to recognize that they are not meant for child bearing. Our dominant culture today (western liberal democracy) tries to argue that men and women are really the same. I'm taught in trainings at work that even the biological difference from them is not what everyone agreed upon throughout human history until two seconds ago. I'm told there's a whole host of genders, that I can be a woman if I want, and that men can have babies. There are "pastors" (often female) of some denominations that support this view.
The corruption that you see in the past has morphed into a different corruption today.
Besides the clear position of scripture my own personal experience has also confirmed this
Why does it take near 13 minutes to say no?
No is enough, but it’s not wise. He did a good job.
I agree on what he says. But recently I came across my friend who doesnt believe that women CANNOT preach. He says that "what if god speaks to a women and ask her to go and preach people the gospel" , I answered " Why will God command us to do something which the bible denies" , He still doesnt agree with me. What do you think i should reply now?
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman
can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
Jesus answered, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
Not ALL Men Will Let Women Do A Man's Duty. But The Churches I've Been To, Where A Woman Is Pastor , Most Of The Men Tend To Be Passive. However, Holy Women WANT HOLY MEN TO LEAD.
I think men who accept worldly feminism, as a general rule, tend to be passive and lack a desire to lead because they would rather follow.
The answer is no because God says so. Keep it simple Al
I appreciate the doctrinal clarity on this, our most important issue of our time. Was it also the decisive action of the 2000 revision of the Baptist Faith and Message that affirmed the office of 'abuse survivor' is biblically reserved for women and boys? That seems to have been a consistent belief for our leadership since the "Conservative Resurgence" of Pressler, Patterson and Mohler.
What you need to do is stop following the 11th commandment and make JD Great step down and get rid of Russell Moore and tell David Platt to get a spine and stop apologizing for praying for the president. Then you need to tell Beth Moore she can never be president of the SBC. But none of that will ever happen. And it shouldn’t take you this long to answer this question.
OK but he says women should be sent is that not to be taken Litterally?
Can a woman be a missionary? Can a woman lead and teach a service if men do not attend?
SBC. And lottie moon. What did she do?
On her own...No
In the book of Genesis, God created man first. Women was made from man. When a man and a woman in a marriage, the wife ( woman) must be submissive to the (man) her husband, as equal partners. That doesn't mean the (man) husband be abusive and controlling of his (woman) wife. The Bible is very clear on the woman or women in the church through out the whole Bible. The Apostle Paul is very clear about it, in 1 Corinthians 14:34, 1 Corinthians 11:7 and in 1 Timothy 2:12. Churches that have let women to be Pastors of their church have to answer for their actions for allowing women to be Pastors.
you sound like one of those Pentecostal preachers!!
Robert Boyes. Yes, I agree with your assessment. There is a hierarchy that was created by God. God-Christ-Man-Woman. It is not that women are somehow incapable of teaching God's Word, that is ludicrous, but it is just that they shouldn't as commanded by the same Word. Many women, I would argue, would probably be better at communicating Scripture in exegesis than many men, however it is not afforded them as an option. As many people have stated, it is simply not permitted. Now, will a woman lose her salvation over preaching--or congregants lose their salvation simply for hearing a woman preach or teach? Come on. Who are any of us to answer that question? I belong to a denomination that has allowed women to preach since it's conception, but I heartily disagree with their doctrine concerning this. I just believe that a woman teaching or preaching to an audience that includes men is disobedience to God's Word. When a woman preaches in our church, which is very rarely, I don't attend that day, or I sit out in the foyer.
@@bev7236 You know, the woman that has preached in our church, I have to admit, is extremely scriptural and Bible-centered. I'm afraid I can't find fault with her theology. That being said, I still believe that we MUST follow Scripture when it CLEARLY teaches that a woman cannot lead or be a pastor. We address her as Pastor. And she is also, I believe, an elder in our church (Church of the Nazarene)
No. You forget MAN was pathetic and needed a friend - aka WOMAN. So its not complete without BOTH. Just because you have different biology doesn't mean you get to control others. That is what this is all about. Except Christ showed up to ladies first. Just think about that. Paul wrote in a certain historical context to a "man's world." The gospel was extremely counter-cultural for what it wrote.
@@johe64 is it disobedience? OR is it just because men will not listen due to their stubborn nature?
Was Phillip in disobedience to the Lord when he permitted his daughters to proclaim the Word of God? Did the Holy Spirit gave different instructions to him and Paul?
What does the Bible say
1 Timothy 2:11. Let a woman receive instruction with entire submissiveness, "I DO NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH OR EXERCISE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN BUT TO REMAIN QUIET." This scripture is quite clear and in no way is suggestive of it's pertaining exclusively to only a leadership role in the church. Those who've twisted the scripture to suit their agenda are teaching a false doctrine. But as bad as this may be...Now we see many churches permitting homosexual women to be Minister's without having expressed a true repentance, but are living lives as active homosexuals. Reprobate Christian's as leaders today!!!
And this is the problem. People deciding to leave a church because they don't agree with something the leaders elders have Biblically determined for the best unity of love and obedience in the Body of Christ.
As soon as you say what I just said, emotion gets thrown in and all kinds of worldly debates and historical shames and sins get thrown in.
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
John 16:13 KJV
LET'S step out the physical and literal and move into the SPIRITUAL or we may be contaminated by the seed of self-righteousness that was embedded in the pharisees and scribes...
"ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." Matt 23:24
TO GOD BE THE GLORY...
circumcised, uncircumcised
sabbath keepers
sunday worshippers
meat lovers
vegans
Jew
Gentile
male
female
Bless the Lord oh my soul!! Glory to you Lord Jesus, our King...the only True Faithful Servant...Amen.
Please provide the Bible verse that states the special responsibilities that were given specifically to a male and not a female.
"Should women preach in church?"
No
The question itself reveals a misunderstanding. Preaching keruso or euangelidzo in greek both deal with announcing good news and as such are not primarily a ministry to the Saints rather to the lost world. A woman is free to preach (announce) the gospel to the world. That's where preaching is ment to be exersized. When we brought preaching from the open air where it belongs to the Assembly where it doesn't belong it lost it's beauty and effectiveness and replaced the mutual edification that should be going on in the assembly.
This man was relentless while talking. No need in dragging it out. Give us scripture and be done with it.
That's the heart of a Complementary Christian. They don't want to offend anyone, and consequently, blur the lines and don't man up.